Sheik: A true mystery. (Zelda OoT spoilers within)

[Flare]

Okay, there's a ton of controversy about this, but... Is Sheik male or female?! I mean, I know he/she is Zelda's alter ego, but they even call him/her a guy in Ocarina of Time. So which is it? :fighter:

[PyrosNine]

They call her a guy, cuz we're link in the game, and he thinks she's a he.

Sheik's a transvestite chick.

[Majin Darshe]

Okay, there's a ton of controversy about this, but... Is Sheik male or female?! I mean, I know he/she is Zelda's alter ego, but they even call him/her a guy in Ocarina of Time. So which is it? :fighter:


Um...Since he's really just a disguise used by Zelda, he's really a she. People just call him a "he" in order to avoid spoilers.

[squall2933]

Yup, Sheik's a chick... it's Princess Zelda disguised as a... y'know... one of those... things... with the thingies?

[Kikuichimonji]

In SSBM, one of Sheik's trophies says that Zelda changes her "eve" when she transforms. Dictionary.com doesn't give me a definition where it could fit that context, so I'm gonna call it weird language and assume it's another way to say gender. I think Sheik really is male. Remember, when she transforms, her hair style and eye color also change, so she's using magic, not just ninja-disguise techniques.

[MasterOfMagic]

.....Wow. I just thought.... what if Zelda's a guy!?!?! Wouldn't that just blow?

Deep man. Deeeeeeeeeep.


God, yes Sheik is a chick. If you see a person, and they look like a guy, what are you going to refer to them with? He/him/blah/whatever. It doesn't matter if they're really a girl, YOU don't know that. That's why Link, and anyone else, talks to her like she's a guy.

[MFD]

'Cause eve couldn't be a typo for EYES.

[Kikuichimonji]

You're right, it couldn't. Because you would never say "she changes her eyes," you would say "she changes her eye color." So unless they made a double error, it can't be that.

[Loyal]

Yes it can. Who said anything about having to be a precision Nazi about it? "Changing the eye" works just fine in place of "Changing the eye color".

[Majin Darshe]

Can't we all just agree that she just used the Triforce of Wisdom's magic to change her shape and be done with it? Because if I had a Triforce and it DIDN'T allow me get an instant sex change, I would feel very, very ripped off.

[Kikuichimonji]

After looking it up on the game, I have decided that I have a crappy T.V. It does say eye. But it's not a typo, it makes sense in the sentence it's in. Sheik is a she, for sure, because it says so. Fucking hate my t.v.

[Red Mage Black]

I believe there is a new Zelda flash on Newgrounds that shows the "true"(just a joke though) meaning of the Triforce, I just can't find it again or remember the name of it.

[Lucas]

zelda's pride force... and ugh.

[MFD]

Well, if you want to get into art theory and imagery, the triangle has been used to symbolize womanhood, specifically the vagina. So, um... the Triforce is totally the essence of the goddesses. Triangle of triangles, womanhood of womanhood. Also, Zelda wears the Triforce symbol on her dress, correct? Near her waist?

[Illuminatus]

Proof that Sheik is indeed a man:

Zelda: Sumptuous rack.

Sheik: No rack.

End of discussion.

[Flare]

Mental Note: Just keep your questions to yourself from now on, Flare. :fighter:

[PyrosNine]

Proof that Sheik is indeed a man:

Zelda: Sumptuous rack.

Sheik: No rack.

End of discussion.

Ever heard of the Priestess's bind? It's a magical bra given to certain "gifted" magical priestesses and princesses of magic, That makes them appear less "gifted"(Nintendo uses it alot) . Some don't use it, as showing their goods seems to serve as some sort of defense mechanism, but if used well, can make them as flat as a board.

And duct tape works wonders too.

Point that Sheik be a chick:
1 Zelda wasn't so "Gifted" in the first place,
2 Zelda did have a nice rear.
3 Sheik has a nice rear (And several Cut Scenes unneccesarily zooming in on it, Remember the Monster coming out of the Well?)

So either Sheik's a girl, or I'm a very confused Fire Demon/Ninja.

This brings to mind a line from a sitcom (that featured Queen Latifah I think, but I can't remember the name):

First Executive: "So He was a woman? That explains why I felt strangely attracted to him."
Second Executive: "Indeed. And she was a man? That explains why I was strangely attracted to her."

[Flare]

*Completely Dumfounded* I'm hoping you have just had too much caffine or something to that effect. :fighter:

[Illuminatus]

2 Zelda did have a nice rear.
3 Sheik has a nice rear (And several Cut Scenes unneccesarily zooming in on it, Remember the Monster coming out of the Well?)

No, Zelda has a MONSTROUS rear that at least doubles the radius of her skirts. Sheik has a disturbingly attractive rear, but by no means the monstrosity that Zelda posseses. She's shaped like some sort of brodbingnarian hourglass.

[Psrdirector]

shiek is a girl, and in ssbm the best caricture in the game (i know tecnocly Zelda is the caricture and shiek is someone you can sorta become)

Any one else remember that in the origanol game Zelda was the name of the little fairies, and that the princess was just called the princess of hyrul

[Flare]

Sheik's speed is quite good, but you have to train with him/her for sometime before being able to turn it into an advantage. Oh, by the way, please don't say "caricture." It disturbs me greatly as a writer. :fighter:

"One more thing." Can we please stop comparing the bust measurements of Sheik and Zelda? I was actually kinda hoping for this thread to be somewhat serious. ... ...Ah screw it, I don't care. :fighter:

[Kikuichimonji]

Hehe, boobies ^^

SSBM says Sheiks a girl, I'll go with the first-hand source, thank you very much.

[Flare]

See!? That's exactly what I'm talking about!!! Stop doing that!!! :fighter:

[Space Tails]

Maybe it's just a... temporal distortion, in which Sheik is a guy on OoT, and a girl on SSBM.

*crickets chirping*

[PyrosNine]

Or perhaps, it's all just a glitch in the matrix, and that Sheik is really a metaphor for Zelda's animus, in a world where a dying man lives through milk and a little boy can wear a dress and nobody really notices. You've got to free your mind, Malon, And I can show you how far the rabbit hole really goes. It kinda leads to a alternate world where we're all the same yet differently named and giants that look like they were ripped straight from popeye rule.

Man, I love caffiene.

Come to think of it, How come no one's ever asked about Link's gender? He's more genderly ambiguous (If those words don't mean what I think them to, I blame 3:19 in the morning.) than Pat from SNL. Sure, Link supposedly grows up into a guy, yet he wears stockings and has earings. And Link still has the skirt. You can call it a kilt, but it's not even plaid. Link's hair is probably really long under that hood, And his elvish ears don't help (Legolas, anyone?)

It'd explain why he's so close to Princess Zelda, yet not related, even after many generations and reincarnations.

Man I love caffiene.

[Kikuichimonji]

See!? That's exactly what I'm talking about!!! Stop doing that!!!
Wha? Are you telling me boobies are bad? I'm so confused >.<

Come to think of it, How come no one's ever asked about Link's gender? He's more genderly ambiguous (If those words don't mean what I think them to, I blame 3:19 in the morning.) than Pat from SNL. Sure, Link supposedly grows up into a guy, yet he wears stockings and has earings. And Link still has the skirt. You can call it a kilt, but it's not even plaid. Link's hair is probably really long under that hood, And his elvish ears don't help (Legolas, anyone?)
See, our society has all of these things associated with certain genders that really don't have anything to do with them. You can't apply them across societies because they don't mean the same things. If you look at the screenshots for Twilight Princess, you'll note that the green tunic covers the mail underneath. That's why it's so long - it's practical. Can you tell me he really looks feminine in the following pic?

http://www.zelda.com/universe/_img/game/legendzelda/set4/ss5.jpg

God, I need that game.

[PyrosNine]

Hey, he didn't have "chainmail" before. As far as we know, in the first Zelda Link enjoyed a wafting breeze. >.< Bad thoughts! Bad Caffiene!




God, I need that game.

Me too brother, me too. Though as odds go I"m going to buy the game 2 years from now from the preplayed bin at Gamestop, and it won't have a booklet or nothing. Stupid people for not giving me a job.

[Meister]

Flare, I think everything's lost at this point. Just go with the flow. :p
Besides, in a serious discussion it's pretty clear: Sheik is Zelda in disguise, thus, Sheik is a chick. I think that was the whole point of it, surprising the player by showing that badass ninja is, in fact, a woman. Kinda like Samus Aran at the end of the first Metroid game. And not only a woman, but Princess Zelda to boot. I'm totally not gonna spoilertag that Samus bit. There has to be a line somewhere.

[Loyal]

I always thought the "skirt" was just a really long shirt. It has a belt going around it!

If there's ANYTHING ambiguous about him, it's his Michael Jackson-nose. But that's ALL.

[MasterOfMagic]

Come to think of it, How come no one's ever asked about Link's gender? He's more genderly ambiguous (If those words don't mean what I think them to, I blame 3:19 in the morning.) than Pat from SNL. Sure, Link supposedly grows up into a guy, yet he wears stockings and has earings. And Link still has the skirt. You can call it a kilt, but it's not even plaid. Link's hair is probably really long under that hood, And his elvish ears don't help (Legolas, anyone?)
He's got A BIG SWORD. And a not so big one. And a shield, and an assload of other crap he'd never be able to carry. But we'll focus on just the BIG SWORD. You don't question the gender of a man with A BIG SWORD, unless you're looking to become genderless. Its a fact.

Also, he lacks even the hint of boobies. ^^

[MFD]

"One more thing." Can we please stop comparing the bust measurements of Sheik and Zelda? I was actually kinda hoping for this thread to be somewhat serious. ... ...Ah screw it, I don't care. :fighter:

I was being serious.

:p

Now you can't get the images out of your head!

[Psrdirector]

he wears a tunic, tunics are not skirts, or kilts, or really long shirts, alright maybe they are a fancy pancy name for a really long shirt, but any ways.

Ssbm Shiek is really great caricture to use, I play her way to much...

(over 1000 plays the next highest is 456 kirby....)

[Nathano]

Link is a guy. The tunic is just long and because of the belt it gets the *cough* look to it. Zelda is female so Shiek is. It is just harder to tell.
And the earings are cool because it gives him a sort of badass look.

[Flare]

There is no controversy at all about Link's gender! He's a guy. He... grunts like a guy. He has girls/zoras after him. Bringing that up just shows how bored you guys are and that you might be trying to annoy me (Though that could be my paranoia talking.). :fighter:

[MasterOfMagic]

You know what, I think we should look at the Oot Link, since that's the version being discussed. Look:
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/images/stories/games/z5/characters/adultlink.gif
Clearly still has the BIG SWORD, making this dangerous discussion. But there is no hint of mail there. No hint of pants either. Tights, yess. Pants, no. How can you not question the sexuality there?

He also has a wierd expression on his face... but that's irrelavent.

[ElfLad]

Actually, those aren't tights. That's a humongous, one-piece, spandex, circus-performing monstrosity.

And the huge sword is obviously compensation.

[squall2933]

I'VE FIGURED IT OUT!!!

Link is totally gay. I mean seriously, who would turn down marrying (or maybe even trying to break off a piece) from the smoking-hot princess of the Zoras? I mean the only real concern I could see Link having with her is the fact that she's kinda a fish, which might cause a little bit of a scent problem in her nether-regions, but sacrifices must be made. And plus, I'm sorry, I don't care how bad-ass Link is (I will say he is indeed very badass), but you would not wear the getup that he does unless you're flaming for the cock. And plus, why would so many of the female characters be attracted to Link? We all know that gay guys are much more attractive than us straight ones. Is Link a woman? No. Is he gay? More than likely.

Wait, I just realized something. I just referred to a sub-human female video game character as smoking hot. I need a girlfriend.

[Psrdirector]

Link isnt gay, look at all the romance between him and zelda, alright, and the fish girl thing, well maybe he isnt as horney as you are, just maybe. Some people have morals, and some people when they fall for a girl (links case Zelda) they really dont want to go after everything with legs.

Alright, any ways, how did this go from Sheik to Link....

[Nikose Tyris]

Wow. I'm not entirely sure, but I think you went over the line there, squall. "flaming for cock," is something that I have only seen shiney get away with saying.

ANYWAY, My theory is thus: Princess Zelda is Shiek, they are both female. If you look at a side view, Sheik has a much bigger chest than any other male, as if she stuffed the chest up at the sides and middle, and at the shoulds, to hide something.
Like boobies!
yes, Link, like boobies.

And Link is merely a victim of a world where every man must wear tights. rumour has it, he changes his pants occasionally in twilight. meaning that the tights are his starter from his area, and he may change into leather britches.

[Meister]

Isn't Princess Ruto like nine when she meets Link? For that matter, isn't Link himself like nine? And don't they not meet again until seven years later, and then she's first deep-frozen and later in the Temple of Light? And while I'm asking questions, why do I get the horrible feeling I'm on to what the majority of Zelda fanfics is about?

If you look at a side view, Sheik has a much bigger chest than any other male, as if she stuffed the chest up at the sides and middle, and at the shoulds, to hide something.
I imagine that would be painful. Then again, you're on to something. (http://www.progressiveboink.com/archive/hyspace/zelda.html)

[Nikose Tyris]

1st) your horrible feelings are correct. feel fear.
2nd) the only thing I'm on right now are T3's, in preparations for the exams.
3rd) Meister proved me right. *tosses a cookie to meister*

[ElfLad]

Link isnt gay, look at all the romance between him and zelda

Zelda: Link. Thank you for saving me.
Link: ...

CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE!?

[squall2933]

not to mention the fact that Zelda is LINK'S SISTER!!! He may be a weird-ass elf kid in tights, but he's not a COMPLETE sicko

[PyrosNine]

not to mention the fact that Zelda is LINK'S SISTER!!! He may be a weird-ass elf kid in tights, but he's not a COMPLETE sicko

They're not brother and sister! None of the Link's and Zeldas ever have marital relations. It's kinda like this,

"Oh link, thank you for helping me save the world as there was possibly a chance that I, the great princess Zelda, could not defeat Ganon. Now give me back my ocarina and Go home."

Link sighs as he realizes he ain't getting any, and heads for the door.

"Oh Link, Don't!"

Link turns around.

"The front door's only for nobility. Leave through the commoner door."

She points to a doggie door. Links shrugs and gets on his hands and knees and crawls through it.

"Dear god, I can't believe that man wears Tights! What a fruit!"

Link hears the comment and is about to reply, but alas, he's still a mute.

<Bi####!>

[Kikuichimonji]

There's a really good reason not to marry Princess Ruto - she's a fish. A freaking FISH! Who's to say that she has sex the same way? Because most fish lay eggs, and the male releases his sperm onto the eggs. Gee, sounds great.

And Nikose, I so did not say that. That's a misquote. I'm suing you. Yay! Boobies!

[Nikose Tyris]

shut up love puppet.


where in the nine hells that nergal commands did you figure they are brother and sister? seriously, tell me.

[ElfLad]

I have this to say.

Any man who does not cringe while in Tingle's presence is clearly either gay or asexual.

[MasterOfMagic]

You're forgetting another girl ignored: Malon! Now, if she weren't held back by spikey polygons, she would've been hot. Clearly other people agree, because the first result for the search "Malon" on metacrawler.... well, use your imagination (and I have the damn filter on! What the fuck?!?!? >.o).

Never once put the moves on her. Now, I'll admit, its kinda hard when you're a mute, but he could've come up with something!!!

[Nathano]

I think the idea of Link and Zelda being brother and sister came from the more recent gamecube zelda game where Links sister is mistaken for Zelda. If you played through the game you would now that.

[squall2933]

In the SNES Zelda, as Link's uncle is dying he says something to the effect of "You have to do it... Zelda's your..." and then dies. So you have to become partially suspicious at this point. As for how I know for sure that Zelda is Link's sister, I can't put my finger on it. As far as I know, it's semi-common knowledge, google it and see if you can find something. Or better yet, I'll look and if I find something, I'll post it here.

[edit]
Alright, so after a quick (and I mean really quick, I'm in a hurry) check, I didn't find anything. Maybe I imagined it, but it just seems to fit, doesn't it? And plus, wasn't there some story revealed in OoT that suggested that the dynamic duo were siblings? Maybe from the owl? Or maybe I made that up too. :fighter: Anyway, if you're at least HALFWAY interested it might be worth a quick search on the internet. If they ARE brother and sister, it's obvious that neither one of the two knows it, because you'd think that Zelda would mention it when she sends you to do all her bitch work in OoT.

[ElfLad]

You have to do it... Zelda's your...
DESTINY. I think that's what he means. After all, it is always Link's destiny to save Zelda, eh?

And, as Malon so euphemistically put it, Link is a "fairy boy". (He's fay.)

[squall2933]

But unless it was a poor Japanese-english translation, how could Zelda be link's destiny? The grammatical structure of that sentence is enough to make Baby Jesus cry. Not only that, why would the writers hesitate to put the word "destiny" in there? I could see them cutting it off at "sister" to leave a little bit of suspicion, but throwing in destiny and cutting it off would just be throwing out a red herring. I'm still not convinced.

[Kikuichimonji]

*Spoilers in the link*
According to this (http://www.pcurzi.com/lightwarriors/zelda.html), it did tell you in the original game that Zelda was your sister, but that was taken out in the GBA game.

(LttP spoiler in quote)
I think the idea of Link and Zelda being brother and sister came from the more recent gamecube zelda game where Links sister is mistaken for Zelda. If you played through the game you would now that.
Yes, she was mistaken for Zelda, but it was a bird that got them confused. It's not really a big part of the storyline, so I wouldn't blame someone who didn't remember that.

ElfLad: You know damn well that refers to the fact that he has a fairy and he's from Kokiri forest. Stop the fucking trolling.

Everyone, the title says OoT spoilers, not anything else. Even though the storyline isn't exactly epic in Zelda games, you still should use 111111 and 222222.

[ElfLad]

Excuse me? I'm not trolling. It's called a joke. Back on page 4, squall2933 posted a huge paragraph about how Link was gay. Meanwhile, I tack on a one-liner to my main post and you start cussing at me. Learn how to take a joke and move on, 'kay?

[Mad Jack the Pirate]

sheik is a male form. every single piece of concept art, box art, or depiction shows sheik with these things:

-no rack

-serious muscles

and, this is the important part,

A CROTCH BULGE.

[Kikuichimonji]

Actually, those aren't tights. That's a humongous, one-piece, spandex, circus-performing monstrosity.

And the huge sword is obviously compensation.Zelda: Link. Thank you for saving me.
Link: ...

CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE!?I have this to say.

Any man who does not cringe while in Tingle's presence is clearly either gay or asexual.DESTINY. I think that's what he means. After all, it is always Link's destiny to save Zelda, eh?

And, as Malon so euphemistically put it, Link is a "fairy boy". (He's fay.)
Wow. Four posts. And all they did was talk about Link being homosexual.
Back on page 4, squall2933 posted a huge paragraph about how Link was gay. Meanwhile, I tack on a one-liner to my main post and you start cussing at me.
The reason I didn't get mad at him: his post was actually funny, and it was based on logic. And he didn't need to say it three times - one post was enough. See, I know how to take a joke. If something's funny, it's funny because it's well-done, and then often only once. If it really wasn't trolling, then just stop it now. Because the funny has left the joke.

Mad Jack - Sheik has no crotch bulge in SSBM.

[PyrosNine]

Mad Jack - Sheik has no crotch bulge in SSBM.

And even if she did, there's always an easy explanation that involves socks.

[Psrdirector]

alright, there is a good reason why link maybe dosnt hop on every thing with boobs, he has honer, and isnt horney. That dosnt mean gay, if a guy isnt flirting and trying to score on every girl he sees dosnt mean he is gay, it means he has some self respect.



Sheik is a girl, Zelda is a girl, and so Sheik is a girl.


Is sheik going to make an apperence in the next game? i wonder

[Illuminatus]

And even if she did, there's always an easy explanation that involves socks.

How is THAT an easy explanation?

[Meister]

Play nice, kids - and remember we're discussing videogame character sexuality here. Ask yourself if you want to be known for taking that topic seriously.

As for the socks, you roll 'em up. And then you stuff 'em somewhere. Not "where the sun don't shine", but close. Okay, technically (and: normally) the sun doesn't shine there either, but I trust you know what I mean.

EDIT: Oop, near post limit. Well, I'll close this one a little prematurely while I'm at it. If I'm against all odds keeping you from posting ultimate proof for Sheik's gender (and I shudder at the thought which form that would take), tell me.