The"hot coffee" mod for the play station 2 and why im pissed now.....

[ZERO.]

Fist things first to all the pervs out there i will not tell you how to do the mod you have the ability to find out your self use it.
Ok the hot coffee mod for the gamers that have been out of the loop lately. A few months ago, Barton Waterduck discovered a few sections of unused code in the PS2 version of San An for the girlfriend "missions". With a bit of memory hacking and such, he discovered these removed portions of mission scripting were to not only put the camera inside the girlfriends' house when you stop in for "coffee", but also to make a little mini-game of it. Now, with the magic of user-editable files on the PC, PatrickW was able to unlock the uncensored "coffee" segments for all to play with. well the reason im pissed now is the fact that my best friend unlocked this mod we got a good kick outta it sure but the fun stoped after his mom found this out his mom thinks all thoes politions are right that video games are bad bla bla bla the only reason that she lets him play games is that he buyes em him self now when she found out it was the straw that broke the mules back she not only snaped the game in half (whitch to me is a decacration of a good game) she took his ps2 now the thing is the thing the way the creator of the Grand Theft Auto series reacted to the appearance of a "Hot Coffee" mod that has stirred all this media interest.
The company said the mod is the work of a "determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game." *cough* bull crap *cough*

Rock Star said that "hackers" violated the software user agreement, to create the mod "by disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's source code".

A rep for the company told the INQUIRER that Rock Star admires and respects the creative work of the mod communitiy, but there are obviously fears that the appearance of the hot coffee mod, with its associated sex scenes, may be confused in the minds of the censors with the work of the company itself.

Rock Star claimed: "The hot coffee scenes cannot be created without intentional and significant technical modifications and reverse engineering of the game's source code." It said it is working on securing the source code, to prevent the game from "being altered by the 'hot coffee' modification".

The company also said it is working "diligently" to assist the Entertainment Software Rating Board's investigations into the the circumstances surrounding the "hot coffee" mod of the game. "We remain confident that the ESRB assigned Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas the correct rating, "M" (Mature 17+)," it says.

New York based rep Rodney Walker couldn't deny that the mod may unlock code unused in the official version of the game, though he kept insisting the mod was the work of third party modders and had nothing to do with Rock Star.

"If you see the poster on the wall in the mod, then that may be from us," he said. As to whether a whole mini-game involving humping your girlfriends to gain extra points was created by Rockstar, Rodders wouldn't comment, other than to state that the mod was created by modders.

The naughty modders claim they simply unlocked code that was unused in the offical version of the game.

"I can't comment on behalf of the mod community," said Rodney. Quite often. but as anyone in the gaming world knows a ps2 disk cannot be modded like a pc disc, so how in the hell did the mod become avaible on the ps2 it didnt that means it was availbe from the start so rock star games had this thing on from the start so rock star games expected some one to find this crap of a mod sooner or later so thank you rock star games you not only helped those sons of bitches politicians wage there unholy war agansts games you have fucked over thousands of gamers across this nation so rock star games
(-_-),,!,,


you now have my everlasting hatred.

many thanks to the web sites where i got my info and the gta games rule its just the pricks that put the shit on games that only advance the politicians goals to take games off the shelves ohhh and i forgot anyone else got any opinions on this crap.

[Mirai Gen]

Zero, please....

http://forum.nuklearpower.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

Please. I can't even read all of that because it's so horrendously run on, unpunctuated, and the like...

Please. Read the rules, understand we're not picking on you. But going into a completely un-discussional rant isnt for a forum; its' for Myspace blogs.

[ZERO.]

Fine then dude. But still....... im not a happy gamer right now. :( and I asked for opinions on this so....what do you think of this lil scandel.

[Staizer]

actually, There is such a thing as Game Shark . . . the whole point of such devices is to modify gaming and more over "godify" characters. If the programming was hidden in the PC version, most likely it would be in the PS2 version, and an avid modder would be able to create a code to access "hot coffee" through something similar to the Game Shark.

off topic: thanks for at least putting paragraphs in, that made it a lot easier to read.

[ZERO.]

naw dude in the origanal post people found the unused code in the ps2 game like you said its is availbe in the ps2 version . That means the sex stuff was in the game from the start you may be able to change some aspects of the game but the source code can't be changed so easly unless it was already there, its all over the blogs on the internet,game shark may be able to help but you have to do things that are alot harder than a game shark hack or a cheat code to get that stuff i would tell you but I said I would not in the first post.

[Sesshoumaru]

Zero, remember, the period and the comma are both your friends, be nice to them, please. Anyway, the issue is a bit more complicated (not really, but I sound smarter that way). Sure, the material was there to begain with, but it was inaccessable without the mod, so the M rating really should have sufficed. Of course, the fact that the material was there in the first place is cause for at least a small bit of alarm. Although I still think that the whole issue is being blown out of proportion by members of both sides of the debate.

[InvaderKrag]

The solution:

A) Rockstar admits that one or more of its programmers, and not the company itself, is/are perv(s).
B) Said perv(s) would be fired.
C) Code would be removed.
D) All copies in stores would be recalled.
E) New, hot coffee-less copies would be issued.

Problem fucking solved. Self-serving politician bastards.

-A

[Lockeownzj00]

Even the ZERO apparently forgot what a language is, and this topic is friggin old, would like to address one thing that was just said:

Why should it have to be removed? What's wrong with the content? 99% of players can't even access it. It's like the computer that says TW@T in the original GTA. It shouldn't be removed for any reason.

Yeah--AO and M are far apart, arent they. 17 and 18. Ooooh! *waves fingers*


They're already doing what you said, though. Stupidly.

[ZERO.]

The solution:

A) Rockstar admits that one or more of its programmers, and not the company itself, is/are perv(s).
B) Said perv(s) would be fired.
C) Code would be removed.
D) All copies in stores would be recalled.
E) New, hot coffee-less copies would be issued.

Problem fucking solved. Self-serving politician bastards.

-A
That may be true, but the damage is done ,the politicians will rember this,they will bring it up over and over and over again in the future.This may be old news, but I brought that up in the first post, now lets see rock star games is branded, walmart bailed out on em ,most major stores did the same I wonder how this will affect the new grand theft auto,any ideas?

[darth vader wannabe]

It won't.

I was at my local GameStop the other day, picking up a copy of Death Jr. The people behind me were asking about GTA:SA and the nice clerk behind the counter said it's going to be re-released on the 30th for XBox.

He also said there was no news about the PS2 version though.

[Rhyos]

;_; Fired for bullshit from Gamestop.


Anyways, they ARE re-releasing a copy that doesn't have the HC code. Just to make the jackasses happy.

:thief: Watch your kids, damnit!

[Jagos]

now lets see rock star games is branded...

The following post is Rated M for Mature.

Rockstar has been branded since GTA3. Games with adult situations that children shouldn't be playing. Practically ALL of their games (save maybe Midnight Club - branded by Police instead) have been attacked by politicians for debasing society. You think that stops me from sniping the shit outta backstabbing sucka who saved the Last Dance with Lance Vance?

Hell NO!

On a serious note, you needed a code to get the crappy minigame. and there's FAR worse than simulated sex. I dunno why R* bent over backwards with all the flack being a British company. But who am I to talk?

[Meister]

How is it Rockstar's fault if your friend alters his copy of the game anyway? No one said he had to.

[ZERO.]

How is it Rockstar's fault if your friend alters his copy of the game anyway? No one said he had to.




The friend thing made that little swich in my head go to the on position.

It is his fault he unlocked the mod, I realize that but why does Rock Star do this stuff ,was it just some jerk off programmer that thought it was funny or what?

[Staizer]

Here's the thing: Disney has plenty of sexual inuendos and not so subliminal messages all throughout their early productions, and maybe into current ones.

But then, maybe they are just people trying to dig up dirt on disney.

If it is the first case, the artists thought "People are never going to know who I am, or what work I have done. Why not leave something in the shows for a little kick. It would be kinda fun to put some hidden stuff in there."

Then there are all the other "Easter egg" stuff that you can find in movies, games, magazines, music. Stuff hidden just to leave a mark.

I don't think R* should be labelled as evil for doing something similar. I just think they should have been more responsible for their actions, it is understandable to believe that no one would ever find it, but knowing how the modding community works, they should have assumed that it would be found.

[ZERO.]

Here's the thing: Disney has plenty of sexual inuendos and not so subliminal messages all throughout their early productions, and maybe into current ones.

But then, maybe they are just people trying to dig up dirt on disney.

If it is the first case, the artists thought "People are never going to know who I am, or what work I have done. Why not leave something in the shows for a little kick. It would be kinda fun to put some hidden stuff in there."

Then there are all the other "Easter egg" stuff that you can find in movies, games, magazines, music. Stuff hidden just to leave a mark.

I don't think R* should be labelled as evil for doing something similar. I just think they should have been more responsible for their actions, it is understandable to believe that no one would ever find it, but knowing how the modding community works, they should have assumed that it would be found.


My thoughts exactly thank you.

This is what im talking about how rock star did somthing dumb, and and when a major gameing company does somthing dumb, it's like a swift kick in the crotch for the gameing community.

[Staizer]

I think you misunderstood me.

I was saying that since their is presidence for people NOT to get extremely pissed off about stuff such as "Hot Coffee" it doesn't make sense to get pissed off at R* for "Hot Coffee."

Thus, I was in disagreement with your statement that, because R* did something irresponsible, it will have dire/drastic effects on the rest of the gaming community. All it will do is remind companies to be more responsible. Not scare the shit out of them so they stop making games, or even stop making good and/or risque games.

[Solid Shadow]

I have the game. I have not used the "Hot Coffee" mod, nor have I attempted to unlock anything depicting sex in the game. Why? Maybe cuz it's just a game and I get plenty of sex, so I don't have to resort to watching the digitized variety. The whole thing is pointless.

Rockstar has just as much right to release an R rated video game as any Hollywood movie producer has to release an R rated film. We recognize that there are forms of entertainment - music, television, and movies, namely - which come in varying degrees of appropriateness. Some movies are appropriate for kids, some only for adults, some for the in-betweens. For some reason, in America, there's this stigma attached to video games that implies a mature or even adult game is simply not acceptable, since games are for kids. As long as this stigma exists, halfwit politicians will jump on whichever bandwagon saunters their way so long as attacking a video game will get their name in the papers and on Headline News.

I also have to wonder why ol' Jack didn't seem to have too much of an interest in the game - which allows players to simulate anything from petty crimes to violent mass murder of criminals, police, and innocent bystanders - until it was revealed that if you modify the game and dig around deep enough you can watch two people having sex.

I dunno about Jack, but I find sex far, far less violent and disturbing than murder. Maybe if the Sims went around brutally hacking each other to death rather than taking baths with that odd, nudity-censoring rash in front of them, he wouldn't give two shits about it.

[Brand]

One of the many fun things about being American is embracing graphic violence while running in horror from sexuality. In America, violence is good and sex is bad.

Europeans don't seem to have the same hang ups regarding sex. Why Americans do, it's hard to say. Most of it probably has to do with evangelical influences.

Anyway, I'm glad Americans are talking about sex. They need to. It's really not as bad for you as your youth minister and gym teacher claim.

[Evilhasreturned]

I just dont know why there changing it from a 17+ to a 18+ what? 1 year and your suddenly mature enough to watch this sh*t?, which it is, its not even that good go on some websites and you'l get a few pop ups with even worse images, shut up stop complaining its a game.

[Irish]

Look I don't know how else to put this but so F****ing what? Your friend choose to access that mod. Intentional or not on Rock Star's behalf you choose to activate it. If your friend's mom controls his life so much she can tell him what he can and can't play then it sounds like he isn't 17 yet so he shouldn't have the game anyways.

Church Wacko's and politicians are just looking for a cause they can fight. If they arn't saving us from ourselves they arn't doing there jobs. The gaming community really needs to step up and represent it's self much better in the public eye. I'm not saying we need to be clean cut @$$ kissing politicians. We need to voice our opinions. In the end these politicians only care about keeping there jobs, they have no "real" opinions on anything.

If you care that much do something about it. Voice a way to change this rather then ask people to bitch here about it, course bitching is quite fun.

[Staizer]

I think the biggest reason the older generation is against these changes might stem from how video games evolved.

In the beginning, we were all 3-10 year olds. Our parents could tell us what to play and what not to play. The politicians didn't have ANY dissenting voice because we were not old enough to represent ourselves.

Now, however, they are getting a dissenting voice, something they aren't used to on this subject. "What!? The gamers are defending themselves? They didn't do that before. Why are they doing it now?

Now we are old enough to vote and tell our government how we think about stupid "Lay the blame" tactics.

Gaming companies are stepping into this situation because now they know that gamers can back them up.

Jack and all the rest of the people opposed to gaming need to realize that we aren't children anymore, and we have the ability to talk back now.

R* made the mistake of believing that gamers would leave their games alone, although heaven knows where they got that idea. Gamers never left games alone. Look at game genie and game shark.

Now companies know that if they don't want a gamer to do something with their game, they shouldn't have it in their game's code. Even then, someone will manage to do it, but it will no longer be the companies liability.

[Jagos]

I honestly don't know which is worse. The fact that it was unlocked so that people could play it, the fact that if it wasn't there before, someone would have made it, OR the fact that it's making R* a household name.

I'll be honest for a second. They made it. Someone found the Hidden Treasure chest and the underground rejoiced. NO ONE is going to stop modding, taking a game run on Renderware and making your own? Ubisoft did that and they're successful and the PC was MADE to be open no matter what the EULA says.

In regards to the PS2, I had fun with the game. I liked the story spoofs along with the ways I controlled what I wanted in the game. And if no one understood what was happening in the house through the suggestive "rockin da hizouse" scene, they shouldn't be playing in the first place.

[Mirai Gen]

In regards to the PS2, I had fun with the game. I liked the story spoofs along with the ways I controlled what I wanted in the game. And if no one understood what was happening in the house through the suggestive "rockin da hizouse" scene, they shouldn't be playing in the first place.
Which is what made me laugh all the more.

If you look at Vice City, GTAIII, and then compare the hooker-in-car scenes to San Andreas', they went from a joke to serious. Vice City/III had them making comical jokes. At one point I believe a prostitute does the following:

"Unnh. Unnh. Unnh. Okay, I'm done."

But in San Andreas, they actually sound like they're having a good time themselves. And now Jack Thompson goes ballistic because 'you see it'.

Meh. Food for thought.

[Lockeownzj00]

Actually, I think it's a misconception that gamers started out young. Inded, the PC Gaming scene was much bigger, and maintains most of the older/oldest audience of them all. If you're talking about purely consoles, okay. But the PC has had shit like this for ages--and PC Gaming progressed rapidly--much more rapidly than console gaming did.

Hell, by Duke Nukem, you were paying hookers to show you their tits.

[Jagos]

Let's not forget Leisure Suit Larry 1 - 6. but we'll forget that the one on the consoles ever existed...