#655: "You are so cool!"

[Kurosen]

Betcha didn't see that one comin'!

[Burning Ninja]

I saw it coming... just to prove you wrong Brian. :P

also will he REALLY get blue magic? methinks not.

[DarkMonkey]

hehheh, dark warriors are awesome

[Mondt]

YES!!!! Refernce to the nexus! I was SO waiting for that. I'm so happy!!! =)

[talse]

bikke will not make a good goth. it's just not in him.

[Aragrine]

A legendary...bard?

[The Truth Is In Here]

The DW's got there "Class change" before the LW's:)

[Kitana Paladine]

O_O. Black Mage... becoming a blue mage... but... But... will he still keep the Hadoken?

[Skit]

Oh my. Very interesting.... I am intrigued.

Poor Drizz'l...

[Baalirock]

Betcha didn't see that one comin'!

Yeah, that was pretty much totally unexpected. I also didn't expect to see Magus again, so that's doubly cool.

[Neodymium]

LET THE UNENDING TIDES OF OH SO HOLY LEGENDARY PWNAGE CASCADE DOWN UPON THE PEONS LIKE WATER FLOWS OVER NIAGARA FALLS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF GRAVITY! (at 9.8 m/s/s)

...Nah. BM will not get blue magic. It will be...


BARD!

[Cukeman]

Garland now officially scares me.:gonk:

[PCD]

Only two words entered my mind as I read this:

OOOOOOHHH. BADAAASS.

[catlover20410]

Wait. The class changed LW's will consist of Black+Blue Wizard, Red Mime Wizard, Whatever The Hell Fighter Is, and Theif Ninja.


Ow. My brain broke

[DragonTrainer]

LOL!!! The blue magic I saw from a mile away. The DW switcheroo? Nope, didn't see that coming. Drizz'l looks cool in Garland's armour, though! LOL!!!

[Neodymium]

Wait. The class changed LW's will consist of Black+Blue Wizard, Red Mime Wizard, Whatever The Hell Fighter Is, and Theif Ninja.


Ow. My brain broke

...What brain?

:gonk:

I just had to say that.

[Cukeman]

...What brain?

:gonk:

I just had to say that.
Owned.

[Joe Falco]

I was pretty sure that the Dark Warriors would continue to make fools of themselves in the next comic, so ha! Chalk up a victory for the little guy, Brian!

Fan: 1
Kurosen: 654

[MetalPsycho]

.....

FUCK!

That's all that entered my mind after hearing Magus' last line. o__O BM with that kind of power is......let's just say...he's going to abuse the CRAP out of it.

Mind you, I'm quite happy with it.

And YAY for the Nexus foreshadowing. Looks like the Dark Gods want BM's true power. But what's this about sigils? Someone sealed BM's power away? I wonder if this has anything to do with the Orbs. Who did it? The Order of White Mages. Maybe the Black Mages who raised BM. Maybe both?

When will it end Clevenger! D:

[Van-Stolin]

What did I tell you guys. I said that Brian would make Black Mage the Blue Mage of the group. Just for the fact that BM now becomes more powerful through pain. Which works into the whole, everything happens to hurt BM thing.

So, I always wanted to say this.

I told you so!

[The]

I really only had one thought: [EXPLETIVE DELETED]. I mean, if what Magus-sprite is promising (at least, what I understand him to be promising, which is the complete releasing of BM's raw power) comes true...then the only thing that can really hold BM back is his own self-control. Unless, of course, Magus is just claiming BM in the wars between the powers (like Swordopolis and Fighter and Raven/Bahamut (possibly) and Thief), and therefore manipulating BM like he's talking about in the comic strip. actually, I need a flowchart for the people who are manipulating the LWs. lessee, there's Thief (which is brain-breaking in and of itself), Sarda, WM's organization, Bahamut and King Steve once each (the rat tail and EPS kidnapping)...man. does anyone have one handy or do I have to dig through the archives?

Oh dear, I've gone off on a tangent. anyway, yeah. BM fans, rejoice. fans of sanity and a happy world, mourn deeply.

[Neodymium]

I just can't believe that he'd actually make BM so uber, and I can't imagine BM with his crappy mage's stamina running into the line of fire so he could learn an attack.

On a side note, my pancreas has just crashed to blue screen.

[KillBill]

I don't understand, if RM's powers were so similar to Blue Magic that they thought he had blue magic at first, but it just turned out to be a one-time-use "reflex" version... does that mean BM is getting the same thing, except not one-time-use?

[Rocketlex]

I haven't laughed out loud at this comic for a while. For some reason, Bikke's class change outfit was the thing which got the laughter to flow once more.

I couldn't see it clearly, but please tell me that's a robe he's wearing.

EDIT: OHHHHH! They switched bodies! I get it now.

[Number 81]

I don't understand, if RM's powers were so similar to Blue Magic that they thought he had blue magic at first, but it just turned out to be a one-time-use "reflex" version... does that mean BM is getting the same thing, except not one-time-use?
RM just has to see the attack, BM will have to get hit by it. Which is bad news for BM.

[Neodymium]

RM just has to see the attack, BM will have to get hit by it. Which is bad news for BM.

But if the comic's Blue Magic works the way it was stated to work earlier, then BM will have instant immunity to the spell's effects in addition to learning it.

Oh, dear. What if his mage's stamina doesn't mean anything, because he's immune to all the spells he gets hit with?

Oh, no, no, no.

[MetalPsycho]

I don't understand, if RM's powers were so similar to Blue Magic that they thought he had blue magic at first, but it just turned out to be a one-time-use "reflex" version... does that mean BM is getting the same thing, except not one-time-use?

Yea, kinda. The other difference is that RM can copy ANY ability. BM can only copy magic. So, while BM can perma-learn the ability, RM is more versital, something he prides himself on anyway, so he'd have probably taken Mime anyway, given the choice. BM is better off with Blue Magic, because one, he's already wearing blue, and two, BM has a higher amount of MP.

Edit: Oh yes, and BM gets imunity, whilst RM only has to see the attack. So they both have their own advantages to each other.

[imp]

Either way, he has to wear the stupid moon thing. That shall be made fun of.

[Kurosen]

Blue Magic works on enemy actions, Mime on friendly actions.

[Neodymium]

Either way, he has to wear the stupid moon thing. That shall be made fun of.

Don't jump to conclusions so fast. Maybe there is no moon hat. (pray)

Maybe there are no Hammer Pants. (PRAY)

Maybe I can find my dextrose around here somewhere. (TRIPLE PRAY)

[Kitana Paladine]

:;sigh:: Now, as my brain has started to work again, I remembered....

Everything in the 8Bit universe is designed to hurt BM.... Hence, he'll have to a blue mage, since blue mages have to get hit with an ability to learn it....

[Kroze Gamegod]

I think Magus actually respects BM's evilness....
And I really do feel bad for Drizzl....

Looks like we will fall short of comic 666....
HA! I win!

[MetalPsycho]

Blue Magic works on enemy actions, Mime on friendly actions.

Oh. I see. Pardon my ignorance.

[Piedmon Sama]

It was funny like they always are, but TBH I'm starting to feel a little sorry for Garland and the Dark Warriors. (Maybe this is just because I was going through the archives recently and just reread the whole initial foray to Garland's castle). I mean, jeez, they're so pathetic.... can life not go their way once, just once? Let Garland sit down on a forest imp by pure accident, maybe?

OH, and first post in a comic discussion thread! LANDMARK, baby!

[Tyrion]

Heh, I like the fact that Magnus(or whoever he is) changes position in every panel.

[Bellerophon]

I thought that there'd been an awful lot of time discussing blue mages for it all to be just tossed aside like that.

Blue Magic works on enemy actions, Mime on friendly actions.

...for a given value of friendly, I assume, considering, y'know, Hadoken.

[Neodymium]

Heh, I like the fact that Magnus(or whoever he is) changes position in every panel.

MAGNUS? OR 'WHOEVER HE IS'?!

...My chewy center weeps.

[darth vader wannabe]

So sorry, couldn't resist.

Blue Magic works on enemy actions, Mime on friendly actions.

So, what's he going to copy, incompetence?

[Kroze Gamegod]

So sorry, couldn't resist.



So, what's he going to copy, incompetence?

BM COULD copy an enemy and then RM could copy him....

[Rocketlex]

It should be noted that blue magic only works (I think) on SPELLS. An ogre foot to the head is not a spell.

[Mutant for Hire]

Blue Magic works on enemy actions, Mime on friendly actions.
Not that I actually expect an answer, but is that a temporary or permanent learn for the Mime?

[Hybrid]

Figures Garland would've thought something like that. . .

They'd totally pwn all.

[Kurosen]

That's a good point, actually. Mime lasts for a few seconds (one turn) whereas Blue Magic stays learned forevarz.

[Kroze Gamegod]

That's a good point, actually. Mime lasts for a few seconds (one turn) whereas Blue Magic stays learned forevarz.

So can we start making jokes about BM getting all Black and Blue yet?

[Sam_Drugbringer]

Is it just me or is Magnus danceing around in this comic. I think he's been reading a few to many Sepherioth fan-sites and wants to start attracting a larger cult.

[Mutant for Hire]

That's a good point, actually. Mime lasts for a few seconds (one turn) whereas Blue Magic stays learned forevarz.
Thank you most kindly for your prompt response.

Now we can see Red Mage annoying his teammates by copying their actions, especially Black Mage. He might even nag them to do things just so he can copy them.

The bad news for Black Mage is that while I haven't done a formal count, most of the damage that I recall getting done to Black Mage is physical (having a giant fall on him, getting killed by the Lich, the zombie orc, etc.). He doesn't get fried all that often by enemy magic.

[Zero-Alpha]

Okay, two points.

1) Best damn Dark Warriors moment ever.

2) Magus is the epitome of badass. That last line of his....*shivers*

[Dark Assassin]

Black Mage with blue magic...heh...looks like a wishes can come true...unless the one granting your wishes happens to be Brian, who seems to recieve great pleasure from making those wishes come true for a moment, only to kick them in the nuts and laugh at everyone he fooled, so I refuse to belive...unless the blue magic thing sticks for like...50 episodes.

Anyway...finally, the nexus comes into play. Although I know what significance it has in the ending, but come on, we haven't even gotten to see the LW rescue mermaids from an oversized squid, or be blessed by a miracle to defeat the War Mech, only to have a five headed hydra try to feed four out of five mouths.

How my current thoughts are relevant to this episode, I haven't got a damn clue. I'm off to figure that out now.

[Neodymium]

Okay, two points.

1) Best damn Dark Warriors moment ever.

2) Magus is the epitome of badass. That last line of his....*shivers*

This is true. Who else could kick such copious amounts of ass with a polygon that simply flies around the screen and makes funky noises that sound like they belong in Galaga?

[King_black_mage]

Betcha didn't see that one comin'!

**bows down before Brian* you are truley a god at making comics this one is the far best comic ever. For that I bow down before your comic making greatness which is something that I can't even being to comperhend. I can't belive I almost lost faith in you. But now I see that I was wrong..so wrong can you ever forgive me Brian for turning my back on 8-bit thearter. I Now promise to never turn agaist 8-bit thearter again. Never again will I look at another comic accept yours Brian.

KBM

P.S I love the Blue Magic thing and the dark warrior class change that is so cool.

[truebluemage]

So since the Dark Warriors have had their “class change,” do they now each have 2 different approaches to screwing things up? Does this mean that they are now versatile with their impatience? Dear God… It’s a group with 4 Red Mages. Brian you rock.

[Deathbane27]

Dark Warrior class change: Hilarious! But it can't last forever. The new sprites have more than 4 colors. Scandalous!

"My true voice would make your brain eat itself." Heh, the visual. A brain eating itself. Makes me think of an old toothless man eating a banana for some reason.

And I love BM's and Magus's last lines.
"I've heard the legends, sure."
"It is time to become legendary."

I don't know why, that line just seems so... epic.

[Ircha]

that is the most fangirly thing i have ever heard deathbane. Now go have some amnesia dust.


what happened to the other lw's? didn't they notice Magus? wtf?

[Trepie]

I'm sure we are all thinking what blackmage says in panel 2...

Also Brian, the way Magus changes his pose each panel is awesome because his pose 100% matches what he is saying. Nice detail ^^.

[POS Industries]

"There are forces at work. They seek to hinder you, manipulate you. But let them try when the sigils are undone and the nexus is free."

Remember the elemental sigils that the LWs have been collecting for Sarda? Guess what happens when you break 'em!

Anyway, I figured that BM's class change would come through... other means than those of Fighter, Thief, and RM. And the fact that he's getting blue magic (appropriate since he previously believed it to be a crock) is an excellent touch. It also means that BM will have to learn something other than super-destructive spells, which leads to the potential for some good comedity. Can you imagine BM trying to figure out what the hell to do with White Wind?

[MFok]

I dunno, but the line "It is time to become legendary," just sounds so freaking sweet.... really freaking sweet.

Like some kind of one-liner I'd imagine Mr. T saying...

[Rocketlex]

"It's time to become legendary, foo', an' Mr.T gonna show you how!"

By the way, I'm 90% sure Fighter is some sort of Paladin, given the way his new moves seem to be defensive in nature.

[thegamerdude]

The LWs could kick so much ass now using their new powers. If they could actually work together that is...

Watch fighter use his mad sword skills to block an attack that BM really wants to learn. :p

[Rocketlex]

...and then Red Mage mimes the guard ability and does it again...

[Thetri222]

It seems that JayC's countdown is either going to be just short, or right on the money. Either way, I have to give him props on that prediction.

[Jared Todd]

I'm just still not sure whether the class changes are going to matter. BM's going to either not be able to learn anything except weak magic, or he's never going to be able to "break the sigils" or whatever Sarda wants them to collect, or BM will never get hit by magic as he's always in the back/will die if he isn't; Fighter will never need to defend anyone as BM is always in the back/his luck sucks, Thief is too fast, and RM can block the attack with his own or use Fighter's defensive skills; Thief already can steal at the maximum profficiency and already knows ninja skills; and RM will never want to use much MP because that would take away from what he could do, but never will (a.k.a. MP.).

and what the hell is wrong with the DW's...? :sweatdrop

[ Edit: I just looked back to page 6 ( want to know something? I actually read the whole thread before I posted my original post. Yay! ) ... Fighter's "cover" ability will automatically block BM from any attack since he's so weak, which will be irrelevant anyway since he'll never be harmed by magic and he'll never learn magic either, and if anyone else gets weak while Fighter is occupied/is weak, himself, RM will block them too, but since RM isn't invincible.... ]

[KillBill]

Hmm, I guess that's true. BM gets hit by something, performs it, RM can copy him at the time (along with any other ally)... so when all is said and done, BM's one clear advantage is being immune to being attacked by magic (something even Fighter probably can't do with Cover, and RM probably can't copy from BM), whereas RM's clear advantage is being able to not only copy BM but even the physical attacks of Knight-fighter and Ninja-thief. So I guess they're both pretty balanced. The only remaining factor would be, what actions from RM/BM (getting hit by a spell and using it back? mime?) cost MP; only if one of them had an MP advantage like that would there be a clearly more powerful one.

[Particleman]

For some reason I got this mental image of BM standing at the center of a FF6 Ultima-esque sphere of pure destructive energy, laughing like a maniac with his arms held high and his face turned to the sky as the latent power within him is realized, the sheer potential of it finally snapping his already warped mind.

That would be a kickass painting.

[Monkeybonk]

I'm really liking this class change, and I think Brian did it to breathe some life back into the strip. Up until now, the LWs had been more or less one-trick-ponies, and there's only so many times you can make thief steal things or BM hadoken an orphanage before it gets old. I think BM was the worst in this regard (of being 'stuck in a rut'), and I think Brian realized it too, which is why BM could be getting the most powerful change. Shake things up a bit.


As evidence, look at thief. Look at how many times the 'Tiny print exemptions' gag was used... and how many times the 'It's in your contract' stunt was pulled. Now look at how long it's been since we've seen either of those. Why? Because they just weren't that amusing anymore.

[DSPaul]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks Magus should be voiced by the guy from Legacy of Kain....

[BetaRuler]

I wonder how long Black Mage would have taken anyhow to get those powers without the help of Magus :p if he didnt stand a chance then I would almost think that means BM doesnt really count as one of the LW and WM DOES or something silly like that, this idea is just brainstorming a little :p

I really didnt see that class change idea of Garlands coming, that was pretty funny, although I reckon they will have a proper class change somewhere along the way, still, good for laughs!

[T3H BLUE MAGE]

I KNEW IT! I am SUCH a genius. It's not FOR SURE that BM is going to become a Blue Mage, but it would be so DAMN COOL. Why am I making certain PARTS of my sentences ALL-CAPS? I have NO IDEA.

[blackmind]

i dont think that he'll get blue magic but THATWOULDBESOCOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!

[JONJONAUG]

Blue Magic is overrated.

And there's a mention of that Nexus again, after 574 comics.

http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010925

[JKLantern]

The way Magus was stretching his glove in one of the panels makes me think that the way BM is going to get his Blue Magic is going to be excruciatingly painful...

Dear God. I should never, ever post before 7 am ever again.

[NoDot]

Blue Magic works on enemy actions, Mime on friendly actions.OK, that clears that up, but here's another question: Will BM be able to learn non-magical abilities, or is he stuck with only magic? (I keep getting an image of a comic where BM declares Fighter his enemy, has Fighter used his Sword-Chucks on him, and then goes and kills something with Fighter's Sword-Chucks which he just borrowed.)

[Seran]

The Nexus is obviously Black Mage's face...if you've been reading the clues about it way back in the comic, but who knows where! Or, I could be making wild assumptions since I'm just another mere fan of 8-Bit Theater, and thus should have that comment ignored. Your choice. Gonna go play now.
I think not.
Like Black Mage had said, only the gods are 16-bit! And now for the blue magic! ...Blue magic? We are obviously doomed.

[Burkion]

"Now, the only way to get Blue Magic, is by pulling it out of your ass."

"You mean make it up as I go along?"

"No. Now bend over."

I'm so sorry. It just HAD to be manifest.

[Art of Hilt]

OK, that clears that up, but here's another question: Will BM be able to learn non-magical abilities, or is he stuck with only magic? (I keep getting an image of a comic where BM declares Fighter his enemy, has Fighter used his Sword-Chucks on him, and then goes and kills something with Fighter's Sword-Chucks which he just borrowed.)

Nah, just magic. See: Blue Magic. Mime has no "magic" in it, so it can mime anything and is non-specific, but Blue Magic can only send back Magic. Very specific. Yeah.

Of course, that isn't fool-proof logic, but it's still logic... right?

[Belgarath the sorcerrer]

Excuse me if'n I sound like a total newb but, "Who teh F*** is Magnus?"

On another note:
Red Mage coppied hadoken

So all of your only-fighting theories go down the drain

[Art of Hilt]

Magus= Chrono Trigger badass villain who can become part of the party later in the game. He was only the villain in the first part of the game, but still, many people consider him to outclass every single one of the other characters..

As for the "Only-fighting" theory... no one made one of those, what are you talking about? O_o If you mean my last post, I editted it so you know what I actually meant.

[neyo the king]

Well, I have to say that that was totally awesome.

Brains eating themselves... Ha! If I wasn't in a public place, I'd laugh my head off. Alas, all I can do is laugh in the inside...

Garland got stupid again. Somewhere along the lines, when we weren't paying attention. I know he isn't the brightest crayon in the box, but he was showing promise last we saw him... Unless I just don't pay attention.

And, I'm interested in how Bryan broke physics.

[CelebrenIthil]

Seriously, I am glad BM learns blue magic even if it probably means the doom of all the living forms around (and since RM is a mime he can use it too! xD)
but I really, REALLy fear.......

THE PUFFY PANTS!!!!!!

*dies*

Oh and I hope the DW don't stay like this... XD

[Thyrd]

Now, I may be thinking too far ahead at the moment. But I remember Sarda wondering if his eons of solitude had sent him insane. Now there is mention of the nexus again, and undoing the sigils (think orbs). Is it possible Sarda is a bad guy? Maybe I'm just drawing thin lines of speculation.

[Jared Todd]

Blue Magic is overrated.

And there's a mention of that Nexus again, after 574 comics.

http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010925

... you are awesome. My god. That's crazy; I don't even remember that. At least I didn't before I saw that. Originally when I saw it I thought "heh, cute, that's a little weird way of saying BM's strong". Well now we know!! Well... we know a bit. Not all. A bit.

I didn't think for once that this storyline had a serious side to it. Still might not, but.. eh. *shrugs* This whole nexus in a man, and sigils/elemental orbs thing seems pretty serious. I think either BM's the main badguy, or he has to choose whether to be good or bad.

[bass_virus]

Okay i knew Magus was gonna help BM obtain greater powers, but i didn't see the part about those new powers already sleeping dorment within him comming. Also who are those who seek to hinder BM the order of white magic, Sarda, Bahamut?

[777LaX777]

all i can say is HOLY S***. Black Mage is now gonna be uber! Also, about RM's class change, wut if he sees sarda creating a second universe or sumtin, could RM in fact create his own universe of perfectly balanced skills?

[Gedditoffme]

I would love to see BM make his own universe :D
if only so we could see him then destroy the universe in the next comic

Anyway, I hope BMs sprite doesn't change. He just looks good now, why does he need puffy pants and a gay hat? For some reason I don't think he'll actually get blue magic, especially not from the evil gods. The only magic BM is ever exposed to is White Magic, how does heal benefit the dark gods?

Heck, I'd rather see BMs class change far later, give him the chance to bitch about not getting it for a couple of dozen comics: give it to him half way through the next 'quest'.

[Fifthfiend]

"It is time to become legendary"

Glee!

[Shade_Knight]

Also, about RM's class change, wut if he sees sarda creating a second universe or sumtin, could RM in fact create his own universe of perfectly balanced skills?

No, technincally he would only be able to create the same universe.

[Robert]

Awesome comic once again Brian. I loved 'Black Mage's Kill List' in that one panel. Also, it was nice to see Garland's stupidity return, 'Our powers have been increased infinitely. Or more!', that was just great. I have one question about the Dark Warrior's 'class change', though. Did they change clothes or did they switch heads like BM and Thief when the Lite Warriors were heading in to Dwarfland, before RM used his spell to disguise them as dwarves?

[the1jeffy]

I don't think the DW's have had a class change at all, I think our dear friend Garland read his book and thought a "clothes change" equaled a "class change." That fits more with his past type of ineptitude more than him stumbling into a class change faster than a blink of an eye. I mean 2 comics? Brian doesn't typically move that fast plot-wise, but gag-wise he's lightening speed. I think it's a gag and not a class change. But hey, that's my opinion.

Also, I think we are forgetting that the main characters aren't the "true" Light Warriors - as evidenced by their class changes. The "true" LW's follow the stereotypical (or boring) level-up type of class change - ie. Black Wizard, Red Wizard etc. The class changes the main characters got are more interesting, to say the least.

Also, to the folks who think Brian is waiting for ep 666 for the change: I wouldn't put it past him to go with 665 or 667 just to "keep us on our toes." He does delight in the surprises. That crafty devil.

[Mesden]

Awesome comic once again Brian. I loved 'Black Mage's Kill List' in that one panel. Also, it was nice to see Garland's stupidity return, 'Our powers have been increased infinitely. Or more!', that was just great. I have one question about the Dark Warrior's 'class change', though. Did they change clothes or did they switch heads like BM and Thief when the Lite Warriors were heading in to Dwarfland, before RM used his spell to disguise them as dwarves?
Just clothes. As Drizzl's hands are still black and Vilbert's hands are still the same. Drizzl looks so cool in that panel. He should stay like that.

[Jaysc]

24 down, 6 to go.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Am I the only one who feels that BM is being shafted by the forces of evil? I mean Bahamut already upgraded BM, he just hasn't taken on his new form. Now, Magus seems to be taking credit for an impending upgrade which would've happened with or without the Forces O' Evil(tm), regardless.

SWB

[Skit]

You know, I cannot help but think that this "blue magic" will not be as wonderful as Black Mage thinks it is. I am sure there's a horrible downside that Black Mage will discover the hard way just when he thinks he is invincible. I mean, aside from the goofy clothes. It would be too easy just to grant him such powerful magic and not at all fit with the theme of "Everything that happens, happens to hurt Black Mage."

[Rocketlex]

Okay, after reading the nexus thing, my theory is that Blue Magic isn't the only think BM will get. Chances are he'll be totally loaded with magical abilities, granting him the untold power of which he'd always dreamed.

...Then Fighter will do something stupid and screw it up for him...again, in a single motion.

In the end, BM will only have one or two new abilities left, just like the other LWs.

[bass_virus]

Magus' last line was probably the best line in the entire series.

[Deck Knight]

All I have to say is: MAGUS ROCKS! Dude, so awesome.

As far as Blue magic and hurting Black Mage: It'd be amusing if all the Blue Magic BM ever learned was Exploder or Pep Up. That would most certainly be ironic.

Other good choices are 1,000 needles, Aero, Aqua Breath, Bad Breath, Lv 5 Death, Lv 3 Flare... and for kicks, CT 5 Holy.

[Whetstone]

Bikke = teh r0xx0rz

[Fifthfiend]

Am I the only one who feels that BM is being shafted by the forces of evil? I mean Bahamut already upgraded BM, he just hasn't taken on his new form. Now, Magus seems to be taking credit for an impending upgrade which would've happened with or without the Forces O' Evil(tm), regardless.

SWB

It has been held that magic is a matter of possibilities and potentials. Perhaps Bahamut's class change creates the potential for change, and Magus is there to twist that change in order to serve himself and his dark masters.

There is significant evidence that Black Mage's powers are significantly beyond his capacity to control, to the extent that they even overwhelm his own underlying personality. Perhaps the class change which Bahamut precipitated would have had the effect of giving Black Mage greater control over his nexus-infused energies. Magus' role would then be to ensure that Black Mage's powers are instead let loose to the fullest of their destructive potential.

I must say, SWB, that your initial point certainly must be correct - Black Mage is clearly the pawn of powers and machinations beyond his ken.

Well maybe not a pawn. Like maybe a queen or a rook or something.

Actually it's probably more like Reversi.

Whatever, you get the idea.

Fuckers.

Side Note - Weren't you Sky Warrior KC or some silly shit? When'd that get changed back?

It's for the best, it was kinda stupid the other way.

[gundevako]

Am I the only one that thinks the plot has been showings it's 'serious' side a little bit more the last few comics, especially this last one? Not that I am complaining, I am just saying I kind of like how Brian has slipped this sub-plot(or main plot) underneath our noses and we now have the opportunity to see some great character development, which we haven't seen in awhile, and still keep the comedy.

I love it!!

[bass_virus]

Am I the only one who feels that BM is being shafted by the forces of evil? I mean Bahamut already upgraded BM, he just hasn't taken on his new form. Now, Magus seems to be taking credit for an impending upgrade which would've happened with or without the Forces O' Evil(tm), regardless.

BM's true power seems to be sealed as Magus indicated, by the sigils, so Bahamuts little enchantment didn't work i guess and that is why BM hasn't changed class yet. What frightens me is that once the corruption of the nexus is free from his body, will BM have a moral epiphiny like the one he was supposed to have at the Castle of Ordeals

[Jared Todd]

BM? Moral? Never...

[Jaeger]

Huh. It seems that it's been made almost obvious in the past that BM is important in the grand scheme of things. But, what about Fighter and Swordopolis? Where do they fit in? Are they on the opposite side?

I don't know. It's all very hard for me to put into words...All I can say is, this is definitely top-notch writing!

[calis]

bm as a blue mage will be priceless :D, Once he thinks he has changed and jumps infront of a powerful attack only to get fighter to keep on blocking for him....or for him to actually get hit and have bm die a horrible and painfull maybe bloody death and get sent back to hell. Where he can get kicked out of it again.

my guess is bm won't class change for ages now and that he somehow convinces the LW to go on a quest driven by magnus so he can get his class change,

a immortal bm with godly powers....scary

[Tilion]

BM? Moral? Never...

This episode immediately came to my mind (had to search for it a while :P )
http://nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030531

god episode, I've always wondered what would have happened if Fighter had shut up for once :)

Anyway, BM immune from magic, with the ability to learn any spell, and Fighter with cover to protect him phisically... Something _very_ bad is brewing for him to bring back balance to the Universe :D

[JONJONAUG]

No, technincally he would only be able to create the same universe.

Which would overlap in the same quantum reality, destroying the multiverse (everything in every universe with every possibility, ever).

Huh. It seems that it's been made almost obvious in the past that BM is important in the grand scheme of things. But, what about Fighter and Swordopolis? Where do they fit in? Are they on the opposite side?

I don't know. It's all very hard for me to put into words...All I can say is, this is definitely top-notch writing!

Most likely.

A lot of people think that the final big fight thing in the comic is between Black Mage and Fighter.

[Kroze Gamegod]

Am I the only one who feels that BM is being shafted by the forces of evil? I mean Bahamut already upgraded BM, he just hasn't taken on his new form. Now, Magus seems to be taking credit for an impending upgrade which would've happened with or without the Forces O' Evil(tm), regardless.

SWB

I have the strangest feeling that Bahamut made sure BM didn't get a class change for some reason and Magus had to come down from the heavens to "Even up the sides"....
It does seem to be leading in the direction that BM is gonna end up with Ultimate power....
Which will then have to be stopped...
434...

[Fifthfiend]

This episode immediately came to my mind (had to search for it a while :P )
http://nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030531

god episode, I've always wondered what would have happened if Fighter had shut up for once :)

I've never thought of that as a one-time-only event, to me the indication is that Black Mage in his quiet moments is capable of questioning what he has become, but that one way or another the urge toward destruction takes hold of him again. Or as he put it, the occasional decent thought ends up getting gang-stabbed.

[Dasanudas]

I stand by my assertion that BM will only get new clothes and no new powers until proven wrong.

And I love the idiocy of the Dws here: the book Garland found was probably showing the new look of class-changed people, so he thought that changing clothes would change classes. When I first saw the panel, I thought Garland became a monk, and I was trying to figure out what the others were until I saw Bikke in Vilbert's robes. So now let the speculation run rampant!! With this question:

Why did the DWs change clothes with the respective other DWs?
Garland - Bikke's clothes
Drizz'l - Garland's
Vilbert - Drizz'l's
Bikke - Vilbert's

Edit: I agree Magus seems rather...antsy with all that pose changing. Also, where the hell are the DWs right now? Is that supposed to be outside Garland's castle or the library or what? The LWs are still at the crash zone of wherever the deathtrap was when BM Hadokened it, which used to be a forest until RM hadokened it.

[Fifthfiend]

Edit: I agree Magus seems rather...antsy with all that pose changing.

Naw, you're just thrown off from there suddenly being a character that has an actual range of expression.

[bass_virus]

Well Magus had to look cool after all that pressure BM put on him.

[ZAKtheGeek]

"Undoing the sigils" and "freeing the nexus" sounds oddly like killing BM.

[Shade_Knight]

I have the strangest feeling that Bahamut made sure BM didn't get a class change for some reason and Magus had to come down from the heavens to "Even up the sides"....
It does seem to be leading in the direction that BM is gonna end up with Ultimate power....
Which will then have to be stopped...
434...

first Magus would not come from heaven (if ya know what I mean), and secondly this ultimate power could only be Chaos, but they haven't even defeated the fourth fiend yet, therefore, unless Brian cut it short, that's not a possibility

[Mesden]

first Magus would not come from heaven (if ya know what I mean), and secondly this ultimate power could only be Chaos, but they haven't even defeated the fourth fiend yet, therefore, unless Brian cut it short, that's not a possibility
Well Brian has said there will be no Chaos. Ever. I have to agree with everyone on Magus's line. It=AWESOME. As far as what effect it will have on BM, he will be a BluM. As This would be to wrong after this comic if he is not. The whole fighter stopping him from ever getting better and RM ensuring it more just makes it too good. On what part BM plays in the whole scheme of things. I'm going for either BM and Fighter fighting under their prospective lords(Swordopolis and Magus) or BM's natural proficiency has been noticed and he will just be a weapon for the evil gods. The latter could lead to the former.

[Fifthfiend]

Well Brian has said there will be no Chaos.

Huh, I missed that one. When was this?

[Mesden]

Huh, I missed that one. When was this?

I don't remember exactly were, but I have heard it numerous times from people who I am sure do not lie a lot. Plus I'm to lazy to go look.

[Burkion]

Brian said that there would be no TIME TRAVEL. Not that there wouldn't be any Chaos.

[Tilion]

IIRC, the thing was like this: there is/was the theory that BM would eventually turn into Chaos. That played nicely with the notion that there would be an epic "Fighter vs BM" battle and explained (more or less :P) 434.

It was a good ending, dramatic, epic... and I guess that too predictable for our beloved 8BT.

I think it was during that discussion that Brian said, either that BM wouldn't turn into Chaos, or that noone would. But that doesn't mean he won't appear. (Or that there won't be a "FvsBM" ;) )

God, I love this comic :D

[arithegreat]

I guess that BM will never get hit by spells, 'cause they'll be blocked or something.
Then, we have a new recurring joke.
I have to agree with whoever posted a while back, if BM gets any spells, they will be ones he can't use.
Or Brian will make BM something completely different than a Blue Mage just to trip us up...

[Meister]

Few things make me go

"Oh.

Oh crap.

Oh crapholyshitwhoawhoawhoa"

as much as comics like this one.

Perfectly executed, Brian. Especially since, knowing your way of setting up plot points, I really should have seen it coming and still didn't.

[Fifthfiend]

IIRC, the thing was like this: there is/was the theory that BM would eventually turn into Chaos. That played nicely with the notion that there would be an epic "Fighter vs BM" battle and explained (more or less :P) 434.

It was a good ending, dramatic, epic... and I guess that too predictable for our beloved 8BT.

I think it was during that discussion that Brian said, either that BM wouldn't turn into Chaos, or that noone would. But that doesn't mean he won't appear. (Or that there won't be a "FvsBM" ;) )

I'm starting to think that BM is going to turn out to be the Golbez of the comic, or possibly the Kain. The guy who it turns out was just pulling weight for the real motherfucker, whosoever that may be.

[PyrosNine]

So unless someone's commented on it before, Magus is referring to Bahamut, Sarda, and the other superpowered folks BM's been screwed over by so far. This may also explain that one comic where it talked about a being who was born on the magical laylines or something like that.

Anyway, the forces of good in this world have screwed BM over because if BM ever had real power and was unhindered by the many hindrance he falls under, he'd be an evil force the world would have trouble dealing with. So the dark gods want to make sure their pawn is being evil.

But I do think Magus may have some trouble as the other light warriors are offscreen, and may interfere. Or BM's talking to thin air, like Thor when he talks to the other Norse gods in the recent Marvel Comics.

Also, if Magus is a dark god (which is true by my Chrono Trigger statements earlier) what kind of gods are the other party members of that game?

[JONJONAUG]

I just reliezed something. If Blue Mages ABSORB the spells and learn them, while being immune to their effects, doesn't this mean that BM can't be healed by white magic?

[Krylancelo]

It's pretty blasted confusing! Why would Magus ever assist BM if not for his own ends? Will BM become a puppet of the dark side? Is the aim of the dark side to continue to screw over Onion Kid? Will BM continue to sacrifice children as a hobby?! (Though he claims it's not, I direct all skeptics to http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=041209)

More importantly, this adds new depth. BM's previous rant of the dark Gods is quite DnD-like, and I'm wondering about how many forces are actually in play. Maybe Drizz'l worshiped the spider-goddess and I never put two and two together. Mayhaps we'll see more diving influence as we go. Seriously, though, with all of these super-powers, Chaos really doesn't seem that special.

And WHY is something finally going BM's way?! Immune to spells? That part had BETTER not be true!

[MetalPsycho]

Only if it's the enemie trying to heal him, as Brian said.

[maxterdexter]

I think that The Dark God Magus will unleash all of black mage's power, and while he is all happy with his new godlike magic he will get all moral and stuff, but then the bahamut induced class change will kick in and downgrade black mage to something stronger that he is now, but no godlike mage, causing him to forget the morality and stuff going back to being him.

[NoDot]

"Undoing the sigils" and "freeing the nexus" sounds oddly like killing BM.Didn't that already happen?

This isn't going to be good...

[Meister]

By all means, prove me wrong, but right now I can't remember the last time Black Mage got hit by a spell. ^_^ Might be he's in for some frustration.

Also... you guys know we don't really know the dark god's name as such, right? I mean, we have to call him something, I'm aware of that, and why not Magus for the time being. Just saying. ;) Just thinking of King Dwarf and how 90% of the Bob and George cast aren't named Mega Man. Don't mind me.

[maxterdexter]

He was hit by a holly fire from White Mage during the battle of the creep

[Mesden]

He was hit by a holly fire from White Mage during the battle of the creep

That does prove Meister's words directly wrong, but not the theory of him never learning anything. WM is an ally so it wouldn't work. I'm assuming this much though.

[Burkion]

Hey, that guy's RIGHT! ...too bad that's the one and ONLY time. Maybe he can trick her into doing that again...

[Trixbeat]

Fighter: Don't worry, I'll protect you!
*block*
Fighter: I'm a helper!

The immunity has to be wrong, I'm sure of it.

[Incendius]

I just had a thought, we thinkg that Black mage is goign to get Blue Magic right?

Well I distinctly remember there being another way for blue magic to work.

I'll refer to it as Quina's way :P

I wonder if Black Mage is going to have to eat his enemies for their abilities :P

[Bweetza]

One problem, blue magic grants immunity to the effects of a spell. It makes no distinction between harmful and helpful spells, so if Black Mage was to be healed, the heal spell would be negated, and he would merely learn it.

Granted, he may then be able to cast it on himself, but someone requiring a heal may not be fully able to cast a spell.

Also, Red Mage will almost definately hatch another brilliant plan, and if that involves spells, it cant affect Black Mage. This new gift may become a curse quickly.

Blue magic may also end up being something completely different from what Black Mage believes it will be. Perhaps the immunity portion of it will not exist, and he will have to suffer further.

But no matter how many theories I have, they are always wrong, so we know for a fact that none of this will be the outcome.

[Chaoswizard]

also I want to clarrify that red mage would not be able to copy blue magic because then he would die. If you looked at bm's rant on blue magic you could see this.

If a man jumped of a building and he survived doesnt mean you would survive.

[ZAKtheGeek]

I seriously do think this could involve killing BM. I mean, what's holding his power back? His fleshy meats! There's probably some way to kill his body but allow his spirit or whatever to keep its power and use it in the physical realm.

Without having to go through hell.

Of course, this can't go exactly right, or else it'd be much too good for BM.

*sigh*

[PyrosNine]

Wait. I thought blue magic involved only learning an ability if you SURVIVED a magic attack. I never read anywhere about it not letting you get hurt.

The other way BM could use Blue Magic (BLack mage, Blue Mage. BM...I'm slow.) as the Final Fantasy series goes, is using the attack "Lancet". But then again, Most people Hate Final Fantasy 10, so it's unlikely.

[Trepie]

Wait. I thought blue magic involved only learning an ability if you SURVIVED a magic attack. I never read anywhere about it not letting you get hurt.

The other way BM could use Blue Magic (BLack mage, Blue Mage. BM...I'm slow.) as the Final Fantasy series goes, is using the attack "Lancet". But then again, Most people Hate Final Fantasy 10, so it's unlikely.

Also, Quistis learns blue magic from items she obtains after destroying a monster (Or in shockwave pulsar's case, she obtains from a ridiculously difficult gathering of Dark Matter). This Blue Magic isn't really magic a lot of the time but just magically allowing her to use physical attacks. Also, she doesn't always learn a move that the opponent used. Degenerator comes to mind...

[ZAKtheGeek]

Yeah, um, do you have to use blue magic all the time? You'd think it would be a free will thing. So you could, like, be healed.

BM doesn't even want to learn white magic.

[Locke cole]

Here's my little theory. Magus sets BM to get his power. Just as there is this dramatic graceful-levitation type thing, Magus (and Kefka and Thanatos, in a perfect world) steals BM's power as it's flowing rawly like that. The drain reduces BM to a dead shell, and he dies. Five minutes later, Hell-king BM steals back his power from Magus, gets pushed into his body again, utters a record-breaking explative, and is reduced to just Blue Magic.

[Neodymium]

Here's my little theory. Magus sets BM to get his power. Just as there is this dramatic graceful-levitation type thing, Magus (and Kefka and Thanatos, in a perfect world) steals BM's power as it's flowing rawly like that. The drain reduces BM to a dead shell, and he dies. Five minutes later, Hell-king BM steals back his power from Magus, gets pushed into his body again, utters a record-breaking explative, and is reduced to just Blue Magic.

CONSPIRACY THEORY!!

ERROR! GLUCOSE AT 65 mg/dl! Neural functions now completely forking up!

No, I just see BM not getting Blue Magic at all... maybe something similar but not 'real' blue magik. There's gotta be some kind of 'catch'.

[Locke cole]

CONSPIRACY THEORY!!

ERROR! GLUCOSE AT 65 mg/dl! Neural functions now completely forking up!

No, I just see BM not getting Blue Magic at all... maybe something similar but not 'real' blue magik. There's gotta be some kind of 'catch'.
Erk, That's the kinda hilarious response that makes somone laugh up whatever's in their mouth. Seriously, Magus may want the "ley lines of ultimate power" for himself.

[Neodymium]

Erk, That's the kinda hilarious response that makes somone laugh up whatever's in their mouth. Seriously, Magus may want the "ley lines of ultimate power" for himself.

I was actually serious... I'm up to about 70 mg/dl now, but that still makes meeee alllllllllllllllllllll ddiiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyy. BUT NO MATTAR!

Dude, if BM gets incredible power, I will go without eating for three days (which will cause me to die.) SO THERE! UNLESS BRIAN WANTS TO FORCE A FORUM MEMBER TO GO 'SPLODY, HE MUST NOT GIVE BM BLUE MAGIC!

(But he will do it anyway just to spite me.)

[DragonTrainer]

Actually, you can't die from three days starvation. It takes around four weeks for starvation to kill the average human being. You're thinking water. Going without water for three days kills you. :p

[voodooKobra]

Brian: your comic was fucking awesome and you should be commended for your awesomeness... for lack of a better word

[POS Industries]

Actually, you can't die from three days starvation. It takes around four weeks for starvation to kill the average human being. You're thinking water. Going without water for three days kills you. :p

Actually, I think the point he's making is that he's diabetic and without enough glucose (obtained from eating) he will go into shock and die.

Anyways, since when does having Blue Magic make you all powerful? Anytime I've played a FF game with a Blue Mage in it, they typically end up relying more on their Black and White Magic abilities overall. Blue Magic is more or less just a collection of neat spells that can be of some use but will never be your main weapon, and it takes forever to learn spells because you have to wait for an enemy to cast it on that specific character. I honestly see him having nothing more than "Revenge" or "Pep Up" for the rest of his days.

Now, going on the theory that, in 8BT, Blue Magic allows you to learn any spells that are cast on you, then it might give him amazing new powers, but think about it: he already knows the most powerful destructive spells known to man. Aside from Ultima, what more is there for him to learn? And as for the immunity to spells, this is all according to legend and hasn't been proven. My guess is that he'll get the class change, THINK he's immune to all magic, and then get blasted to within an inch of his life the second he tries to learn something, gets knocked out, and then fails to learn a new spell every single time.

Or not. Whatever. I'm going back to my hole.

[Fortis]

Comedic gold. You cured my cancer.

[Transcend]

Now, going on the theory that, in 8BT, Blue Magic allows you to learn any spells that are cast on you, then it might give him amazing new powers, but think about it: he already knows the most powerful destructive spells known to man. Aside from Ultima, what more is there for him to learn? And as for the immunity to spells, this is all according to legend and hasn't been proven. My guess is that he'll get the class change, THINK he's immune to all magic, and then get blasted to within an inch of his life the second he tries to learn something, gets knocked out, and then fails to learn a new spell every single time.

Don't think so. Magus is a dark god, working to unbind the fabric of reality by loosening a nexus. Whatever he does, he does to further his goal of ultimate destruction.

[POS Industries]

Don't think so. Magus is a dark god, working to unbind the fabric of reality by loosening a nexus. Whatever he does, he does to further his goal of ultimate destruction.

Yes, but as the mantra goes, "all the world exists to hurt BM". Magus, dark god that he is, is still only one factor in a greater universe. He may attempt to give BM something resembling greater power to further his own goals, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it will be something that BM would consider to be better. Think about it, there's a theory involved in blue magic, but all attempts to use it have failed. Therefore, it probably won't work the way anyone would think that it should.

That, or he'll be given a class that is similar to, but ultimately unlike, blue magic. Maybe a pictomancer.

(Please please PLEASE get that I was trying to be funny with that last one or you'll make a puppy cry.)

[Neodymium]

Actually, you can't die from three days starvation. It takes around four weeks for starvation to kill the average human being. You're thinking water. Going without water for three days kills you. :p

Oh, you want to get technical? Yes, I can die of dehydration as well, which can take as little as a day and a half if osmosis starts going the wrong way in my bloodstream due to insulin building up. This depletes my sodium, dries up my inner ear, causes me to piss lots of albumin/protein stuff-thingies, pass kidney stones, lose circulation in my appendages, and die, in that order.

I'm type II diabetic; I'm not dependent on insulin. In fact, my pancreas works; it's the insulin that doesn't. I am... resistant to my own insulin. It does not move sugar across my cell membranes like it should; instead it congregates in the bloodstream; my cells don't get any sugar; and my pancreas dumps more insulin to compensate which causes my sugar to fall like a rock. It takes much more insulin than normal for me to move my glucose. Thus, I need to eat frequently to bind up all that insulin to glucose, and eventually things start working again.

It will take about three days for me to fall below the 30 mg/dl glucose limit, at which point I will... er...let's stop that here.

In an emergency, intravenous dextrose works well, as it can pass through the cell membrane without the assistance of insulin. It burns my veins though. :gonk:

This is entirely genetic; I weigh only 135 pounds. I R NOT FAT!

BACK ONTO TEH TOPIC BEFORE I GO TO BED!!!

Could the #666 theory be proven false? Twenty-three hours to go and the world will know... the world will know.

And either BM will become something neat, or the fanboys ATTACK! And I starve myself into a coma. (HA!)

[Fifthfiend]

Actually, I think the point he's making is that he's diabetic and without enough glucose (obtained from eating) he will go into shock and die.

Anyways, since when does having Blue Magic make you all powerful? Anytime I've played a FF game with a Blue Mage in it, they typically end up relying more on their Black and White Magic abilities overall.

Any time I've played an FF game thieves are barely able to steal a potion from a damn imp, let alone steal superpowers from the future.

They have certainly never evinced a capacity for altering their abilities by rewriting their own character stats mid-battle.

And I know for damn sure I've never seen a Final Fantasy character whipping around any God damn Swordchucks.

[/QUOTE]Now, going on the theory that, in 8BT, Blue Magic allows you to learn any spells that are cast on you, then it might give him amazing new powers, but think about it: he already knows the most powerful destructive spells known to man. Aside from Ultima, what more is there for him to learn? [/QUOTE]

Well as the comic puts it, the essence of Blue Magic is to incorporate the power of a spell into your very being, and to wield its forces at whim. As it is now he has the Hadoken, once a day, after he charges it up, at which point his chances of controlling the damn thing well enough to hit anyone look like about one in ten. From how Blue Magic is described, he'd be able to flick the goddamn things off like a snotty eight-year-old launching a spitwad. And that's just for starters.

By all means, prove me wrong, but right now I can't remember the last time Black Mage got hit by a spell.

Just by way of example, that time that Sarda held everything in the universe except Black Mage still for a fraction of a second, shredding him to pieces on the razor's edge of raw reality, forcing him through an eternity's ordeal in an eyeblink and then making him live through it all, forever to bear scars of horror which no being should ever have to know.

Black & Blue Mage would just shrug and be like cute trick, bet I can do it better.

I mean unless Sarda's magic is supposed to be set on some level beyond even BM's grasp, I should think Black Mage would just go back to Sarda's cave and yank his beard really fuckin' hard, once.

Then be like 'So do something about it, ya shitty old man!'

[The Wandering God]

Just by way of example, that time that Sarda held everything in the universe except Black Mage still for a fraction of a second, shredding him to pieces on the razor's edge of raw reality, forcing him through an eternity's ordeal in an eyeblink and then making him live through it all, forever to bear scars of horror which no being should ever have to know.

Black & Blue Mage would just shrug and be like cute trick, bet I can do it better.

I mean unless Sarda's magic is supposed to be set on some level beyond even BM's grasp, I should think Black Mage would just go back to Sarda's cave and yank his beard really fuckin' hard, once.

Then be like 'So do something about it, ya shitty old man!'

I'd have to say that wasn't magic. It was simply Sarda manipulating reality. As oppossed to manipulating magic to control reality. Sarda willed it to happen. He didn't cast a spell on BM.

The Wandering God

[POS Industries]

Any time I've played an FF game thieves are barely able to steal a potion from a damn imp, let alone steal superpowers from the future.

They have certainly never evinced a capacity for altering their abilities by rewriting their own character stats mid-battle.

And I know for damn sure I've never seen a Final Fantasy character whipping around any God damn Swordchucks.

You didn't? Dude, that was the whole point off FF3j! Sheesh, what a noob.

Well as the comic puts it, the essence of Blue Magic is to incorporate the power of a spell into your very being, and to wield its forces at whim. As it is now he has the Hadoken, once a day, after he charges it up, at which point his chances of controlling the damn thing well enough to hit anyone look like about one in ten. From how Blue Magic is described, he'd be able to flick the goddamn things off like a snotty eight-year-old launching a spitwad. And that's just for starters.

So far, only the theory behind Blue Magic has been given, a theory which, so far, has led to nothing but failure to all those who have attempted to use it. Also, I don't recall the description saying anything about winging around Hadokens like theres no tomorrow. What Magus may end up giving BM is the TRUE embodiment of Blue Magic, which is very likely to be completely different from what everyone in the comic's universe thinks it's supposed to be, and doing so in a way that ultimately screws BM, or he could even inadvertantly screw himself for a long time coming because he doesn't quite realize the depths of the newfound powers that have been granted to him. Just because he could become amazingly powerful because of his class change doesn't mean he'll realize how to use them properly.

Just by way of example, that time that Sarda held everything in the universe except Black Mage still for a fraction of a second, shredding him to pieces on the razor's edge of raw reality, forcing him through an eternity's ordeal in an eyeblink and then making him live through it all, forever to bear scars of horror which no being should ever have to know.

Black & Blue Mage would just shrug and be like cute trick, bet I can do it better.

I mean unless Sarda's magic is supposed to be set on some level beyond even BM's grasp, I should think Black Mage would just go back to Sarda's cave and yank his beard really fuckin' hard, once.

Then be like 'So do something about it, ya shitty old man!'

Boy, that sure does sound cool. But, given Brian's narrative style, is it likely?

[Siege]

How this will hurt BM;

If BM looses the ability to cast Hadoken because his spell list becomes a blank slate then the spell is lost until he sacrifices another bunch of orphens or has someone else do it (Garland?) and then cast the spell on him. Damn shame BM used his Hadoken to triger RM's class change. He could have casted it on RM, had it cast back on him, and then have it as a blue spell instead of a black spell.

We will have to see if BM retains his spell list. If the universe conspires to hurt him then he'll be useless until those spells he coveted so are cast upon him. It will also hurt him to be more or less impotent after his much anticipated class change, and embarras him terribly in front of the other LWs.

[Locke cole]

I still say Magus might steal BM's power. Or he may still be awesome and give BM blue magic, but I sorta like my theory.

[BetaRuler]

Also, I think we are forgetting that the main characters aren't the "true" Light Warriors - as evidenced by their class changes. The "true" LW's follow the stereotypical (or boring) level-up type of class change - ie. Black Wizard, Red Wizard etc. The class changes the main characters got are more interesting, to say the least. [/i]

Does that mean we may see a new plan formed by Barry to get a class change for the real warriors :p
"get a rat tail to get ourselves a class change and become more powerful? Thats the worse plan yet STFU Barry"

[Jaeger]

"Undoing the sigils" and "freeing the nexus" sounds oddly like killing BM.

I just had a thought...When BM died, didn't Matoya's crystal say "Destroyer is Manifest"? Maybe, when BM dies, the power of the nexus IS unleashed. If it as evil as it sounds, Lich did the world a favor by restoring BM to mortality. Did he know? I thought that the fiends were the bad guys! :confused:

[ZAKtheGeek]

Well then, why would he try to kill any light warriors?

It's more complex than "good guys" and "bad guys."

[Shade_Knight]

on top of which, the lich was not a dark god akin to Magus, only a lowly fiend. He could not make your brain eat itself. So he unknowingly turned BM from a almighty immortal "nexus of power", into a almighty mortal "nexus of power".....yeah, real smart

[Jaeger]

Well then, why would he try to kill any light warriors?

It's more complex than "good guys" and "bad guys."

I know that things aren't black and white here, I was just wondering if Lich knew anything about the Nexus and BM's relation to it. I guess not, now that I think of it. Maybe that information is reserved for the Gods.

[Neodymium]

Perhaps, since we are moving into a new story arc, and the 'everything exists to hurt BM' rule will no longer be in effect. Perhaps now everything that happens will hurt the world. Or me. Or Ben Roethlisberger (so the Steelers lose.)

Because if this rule stays, there is no way BM could improve at all without suffering so much he dies.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Actually, despite your... moral orientiation, destroying the world is a pretty stupid goal if you live in it. So that sort of thing is usually reserved for more powerful beings that don't necessarily exist in the physical realm.

[RichThiefsAlmanac]

He was already Mythical (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040629), time for legendary.

[JONJONAUG]

He was already Mythical (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040629), time for legendary.

To quote White Mage

What? How does that even apply?

[ZAKtheGeek]

Well, Black Mage was hoping sexually.

Considering it was just mentioned that he recently went through puberty, this is actually possible...

As well as being an alternate defintion of blue magic!

I think this is the first time I've ever actually written out "black mage" on these forums...

[JONJONAUG]

...ok then. Excluding that last stupid remark, let's move on.

I still think blue magic is overrated. And in FF, blue magic pertains to all abilities, not just the magical ones.

[Deathbane27]

This doesn't appear to have been said yet...

Black Mage appears to believe that blue magic will make him immune to the spells as he learns them. It is not implemented this way in any FF game that I've played (though I didn't play 8 or 9).

My bet is that Black Mage will, in fact, get Blue Magic, and nothing more or less.

However, he'll be in for a comedic shock when he finds out immunity wasn't part of the actual package, just the marketing literature. :p

[Burkion]

http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030902

Proof! The gods HAVE been watching out for BM!

[Fifthfiend]

So far, only the theory behind Blue Magic has been given, a theory which, so far, has led to nothing but failure to all those who have attempted to use it. Also, I don't recall the description saying anything about winging around Hadokens like theres no tomorrow. What Magus may end up giving BM is the TRUE embodiment of Blue Magic, which is very likely to be completely different from what everyone in the comic's universe thinks it's supposed to be, and doing so in a way that ultimately screws BM, or he could even inadvertantly screw himself for a long time coming because he doesn't quite realize the depths of the newfound powers that have been granted to him.

Blue Magic has hitherto only existed as a theory. Were that theory not an accurate description of whatever power Magus is about to bestow, there would be no reason for him to refer to it as Blue Magic.

I mean sure there's the off chance Magus is just outright lying to Black Mage, but then in that case he might as well just say "Behold - Blue Magic!" and Black Mage just, I don't know, develops unsightly back-acne and then his bones all melt out of his skin. And then Magus is like "sucks to be you," and that's the comic.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, it's just not really an avenue of inquiry that is going to get anyone anywhere.

[Mesden]

Heh, I just noticed. If Black Mage gets his class change next comic then it will be at the beginning of Black history month. Just a thought.

[Chaoswizard]

maybe magus isnt giving him the powers at all but gives him an impossibly hard quest to get blue magic. then he leaves which would ultimatly piss off bm since he would have to wait longer for a class change.

[Jaeger]

Everything said seems to point to BM getting a class upgrade within the next 10 or so comics, at the most. I don't think that they're going to start a huge quest just for BM's class change.

Of course, if it does happen, I think I'll scream in agony at having to wait.

[Neodymium]

Everything said seems to point to BM getting a class upgrade within the next 10 or so comics, at the most. I don't think that they're going to start a huge quest just for BM's class change.

Of course, if it does happen, I think I'll scream in agony at having to wait.

Prepare your vocal chords then.

[POS Industries]

Blue Magic has hitherto only existed as a theory. Were that theory not an accurate description of whatever power Magus is about to bestow, there would be no reason for him to refer to it as Blue Magic.

I mean sure there's the off chance Magus is just outright lying to Black Mage, but then in that case he might as well just say "Behold - Blue Magic!" and Black Mage just, I don't know, develops unsightly back-acne and then his bones all melt out of his skin. And then Magus is like "sucks to be you," and that's the comic.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, it's just not really an avenue of inquiry that is going to get anyone anywhere.

For years, scientists believed that the Tyrannosaurus walked completely upright and that its tail dragged along on the ground behind it. Then, more recently, somebody realized that the tail was in fact a counterbalance and the creature in fact walked differently. This, however, did not stop it from being called a Tyrannosaurus. There's a point there, but you're just going to have to figure it out for yourselves because the next comic is about to drop. See ya in the next thread.

[The Wandering God]

Does that mean we may see a new plan formed by Barry to get a class change for the real warriors :p
"get a rat tail to get ourselves a class change and become more powerful? Thats the worse plan yet STFU Barry"
Well actually they are already class changed. Somehow. As in, the sprites used for them represent the class changed LW from the original game.

The sprites used so far for the comic are from another game. FFj3. So, uh, yeah.

The Wandering God