Super Smash Bros Brawl Duiscussion and Spec

[greed]

So I assume the last thread got shut down for length. I now post a new thread.

List of characters we know are returning
Mario
Link(TP Form)
Samus
Pikachu
Kirby

Confirmed New Characters
Metaknight
Pit
Zero Suit Samus(As a transformation or something rather than a whole character.See Here (http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara3/index.html).)
Wario (Warioware form)
Solid Snake

Fair Assumptions
Little Mac*
?King Ashnard?(See Neko Tera-san's 3rd post and Novasol's 1st)


List of characters who topped the petition in Japan and the games head guy likes enough to consider.(Somewhat old will be updated soon, hopefully.)
Hammer Bros. (Super Mario Bros. - 1985)
Toad (Super Mario Bros. 2 - 1988)
King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country - 1994)
Claus (Mother 3 - 2006)
Lucas (Mother 3 - 2006)
Lololo and Lalala (Kirby's Dreamland - 1992)
King Dedede (Kirby's Dreamland - 1992)
Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars - 1996)
Oguma (Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi - 1990)
Sigurd (Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu - 1996)
Ike (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 2005)
The Black Knight (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 2005)
Black Shadow (F-Zero X - 1998)
Dragon Chan (Super Punch-Out!! - 1994)
Ray 01 (Custom Robo - 2004)
Captain Olimar (Pikmin - 2001)
Lip (Panel de Pon - 1995)
Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight - 1993)
Professor Kawashima (Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day - 2006)


Third Party Suggestions

Mega Man (Capcom) (Mega Man - 1987)
G-Red (Capcom) (Gotcha Force - 2003)
Simon Belmont (Konami) (Castlevania - 1986)
Princess Katia (From Software) (Lost Kingdoms - 2002)
Kalas (tri-Crescendo/Monolith Soft) (Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean - 2003)

*From Dragon Chan's presence in the maybes, we can make a fair assumption Little Mac is in already.

Levels
What seems to ruins floating in the sky.
A very cool Fire Emblem castle(Thanks Neko)
Metaknight's Halberd
Possibly a desert stage

There are Super Moves

So yeah, what do you think of the new characters, levels, the Super Moves the inclusion of third parties, the list being considered. What characters and levels and other things do you want in the game?

[Regulus Tera]

Excuse me, but where did you get that list and the confirmation it comes from Sakurai? I usually don't trust gamefaqs, since like wikipedia and my pants, it's full of lies.

[greed]

It came off the site the petition was held at, the official Japanese Smash Bros site from memory, I'll chase it down if you want.

[ZAKtheGeek]

No love for sonic? That's no good...

[greed]

He may already be in, if he is then he wouldn't be on the list.
I too want the fabled Mario v Sonic grudge match from the old Nintendo v SEGA days.

[Regulus Tera]

Greed, a link would certainly be gorgeous... like Samus over here! (http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara3/index.html)

This isn't a pure character addition. Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit. Whoa! That's a woman under there!

Naturally, Zero Suit Samus loses power and stamina, so she should fight using the speed she gains instead.
Also, her gun transforms and can be used as a whip. Of the two, one might consider the whip to be her main weapon.

And don't worry—you'll still be able to play as standard Samus, too.

Also, you will love to store your beans in your ass... (http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara4/index.html)

This time, the Wario you know from the "WarioWare" series makes an appearance.
In trying to embody the flavor of the original game, we've aimed to give him some rather...excessive movements.
What does that mean, you ask? You'll just have to wait and see.

The flatulence you saw in the movie is a fantastic move we're tentatively calling the Wario Waft. The more time passes, the more Wario's gas builds up...

Now, we just have to wait for Snake. SNAAAAAAAKE!

[greed]

All right, I'll dive into the very face of madness itself(the GameFAQS forums) and try and find a link. Don't grieve for me I'm probably already dead.

[MetalPsycho]

I wanted Laharl in it too. ;__; Oh well, maybe next time.

I'm stoked to see what chars get put into this one!

[greed]

The Legend of Zelda: Link (http://www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/index.html)s Awakening, Neko

Has to be Babelfished though

The list has been read by someone who knows Japanese better than Babelfish since last time I checked, this is the list of characters that have piqued Sakurai's interest, so they're possible to appear and the more realistic ones stand a good chance however the more remote ones probably won't, the chicken from Zelda's on there, but then again the chicken would be a cool background char, hit it too many times, Chickenageddon. Though Colonel Volgin while on there and awesome is probably a no-hoper.

[Regulus Tera]

I found this image at the SSBB forums:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8959/c2c43f9af5d229df880aa4fe8897c7.jpg

So, any Fire Emblem fans over here? Who the hell is this Ashnard everybody is talking about? Does he kick any ass?

Edit: Dammit, same time post! Nevertheless, thanks a lot greedy guy.

[greed]

You're Welcome
And actually this one (http://www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/no1_1.html) may be better and more relevant to the link I posted.
Again must be Babelfished.

Edit: Whoa Neko, whoever made that pic, did their homework, guess it wasn't a ZELDAISH Castle afterall. And judging by those pics he looks kick ass, I was just saying they need more really cool villains.

[ThanosOfTitan321]

I was hoping that with Wario they would add Bomberman too...
And if they put in Megaman, which I hope they do, they better put in Protoman also.

[Novasol]

Maybe it's just me, but those flags in that picture look nothing alike, other than that the emblems are vaguely circular and set on a red background.

And I really want Dedede and Sonic. Other than that, I don't care. I already got Metaknight and Pit.

[greed]

Maybe it's just me, but those flags in that picture look nothing alike, other than that the emblems are vaguely circular and set on a red background.

Point, but still the pics do show that it's a Fire Emblemy symbol not a Zeldaish one, so we know the FE characters have at least one battlefield to call their own, which means there are FE characters. So does anyone play the older FEs? I think Ashnard was from 10, if that symbol can be found in one of the older ones we'll have a good idea about a new character, if not they probably just mucked up Ashnard's, they are pretty similar... or it's from FE Wii.

[Mirai Gen]

Holy fuck, Little Mac?

Hell. Yes.

Mike Tyson's Punch Out was one of my favorite NES games, right up there with Mega Man 6/3, Castlevania, and Mario Bros 3.

[greed]

Yeah and it's fairly certain too, I mean why the hell would Dragon Chan be being considered without Little Mac? You wouldn't that's why.:D

[Bells]

If we Ha Link, Snake, Sonic, Mario, Megaman, Samus and bomberman on the same Fight game it would be a instant classic FOH 3V4R!!!

Although... i still think that Gospel/Forte or Protoman/Blues has a Higher chance of showing up

[Meister]

If you make a list with characters you state you know are going to be introduced, it probably would be good not to include speculation and fair assumptions in it. You don't know, no matter what's in the background of the trailer, and screenshots have fooled many a gamer in the past.

[greed]

Good idea actually, will change front page to something along those lines.
Better?

[Mirai Gen]

Dragon Chan? Was he in "Super Punch Out!!!"?

Or are you thinking of Piston Honda or something...?

And this is a time I wish I knew japanese....

Although... i still think that Gospel/Forte or Protoman/Blues has a Higher chance of showing up
How did you come to that conclusion?

[greed]

Dragon Chan? Was he in "Super Punch Out!!!"?

In a word. Yes.

[Krylo]

You know, honestly, Wario's move has really turned me off on this game.

I mean, if I want bad fart jokes I'll molest hang out with second graders. I do not need the AI, or one of my dumbass friends, to be all like "FEAR THE WRATH OF THE BEAN BURRITO! LOLORZ!" I imagine that happening five times will make me tear the game out of my Wii, smash it into the floor, stomp on it, and then beat it with a baseball bat, and THEN beat the stupid japanese prick who came up with that move with the baseball bat--bits of SSBB still stuck to it.

Also, I'm unsure where Snake is supposed to fit into this. He just seems so... unsuited to a cartoony brawler. What's his power move going to be? Slitting Mario's neck (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/)?

[greed]

You know, honestly, Wario's move has really turned me off on this game.

I mean, if I want bad fart jokes I'll molest hang out with second graders. I do not need the AI, or one of my dumbass friends, to be all like "FEAR THE WRATH OF THE BEAN BURRITO! LOLORZ!" I imagine that happening five times will make me tear the game out of my Wii, smash it into the floor, stomp on it, and then beat it with a baseball bat, and THEN beat the stupid japanese prick who came up with that move with the baseball bat--bits of SSBB still stuck to it.

Also, I'm unsure where Snake is supposed to fit into this. He just seems so... unsuited to a cartoony brawler. What's his power move going to be? Slitting Mario's neck (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/)?

Just imagine voice chat during online combat. So wish we had a grinning devil smiley.
Still maybe you can do what I did too my friend who kept on using Zelda/Peach then pausing whenever an up-dress shot occured to break into a fit of giggling. Just keep a rolled up newspaper or if you do not fear prosecution(in your hypothetical you have a good defence), a large stick(preferably with large nails partially hammered in) and anytime their cursor goes over the character they shouldn't play as you smack them on the nose like an errant puppy.

[Loyal]

I could see Ashnard in there, kinda resembling Ganondorf. Ike is almost a shoe-in as far as FE characters goes (However, he would be very distinctly different from Marth or Roy if they show up again in this game). Oguma is an utter DEMON on the battlefield, but he's not a lord or anything like that, so it's doubtful. Sigurd's game (FE4) is a bit unknown to the states (But it does completely kick ass), but his being in there COULD mean a re-release of all the older FE games, which means I'll keep my fingers crossed... But the Black Knight?

As I said on GameFAQs when someone suggested it, it just wouldn't work. He's powerful and has pretty scary speed for all that armor, but the facts remain that (a) He can't jump; you don't need a physics professor to tell you that, and (b) His armor makes him invulnerable to all but a Dragon's Breath, Ragnell, presumably Alondite, and most likely catching an entire castle with his face. That can't really be worked into the game...

So, any Fire Emblem fans over here? Who the hell is this Ashnard everybody is talking about? Does he kick any ass?*Total FE fanboy mode activates* ENORMOUS SPOILERS AHEAD!! Ashnard is the insane king of Daein. He got there through assassinating the many other candidates for throne and was the "distant royal family relative nobody could consider for the job", implying that he had quite a few murders to commit. His plan was to embroil the continent of Tellius in the fires of war in hopes of reviving the Dark God, and was the final boss of FE9 (Or Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance), harmable only by Ike and the Laguz Nobles. If you beat him on Hard Mode, however, he would touch Lehran's Medallion (Which supposedly contained the soul of the Dark God and did drive almost anyone who touched it into a berserk rage), go completely berserk, and be totally healed, much stronger, and you'd have to kill him again. And he MOVES that time.

So yeah. He wipes the floor with you, really. :D

[[ray.z]]

As I said on GameFAQs when someone suggested it, it just wouldn't work. He's powerful and has pretty scary speed for all that armor, but the facts remain that (a) He can't jump; you don't need a physics professor to tell you that, and (b) His armor makes him invulnerable to all but a Dragon's Breath, Ragnell, presumably Alondite, and most likely catching an entire castle with his face. That can't really be worked into the game... Well, in SSBM, Mewtwo's power was cut down - alot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewtwo#Super_Smash_Bros._Melee). And Bowser was shrunk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowser#Bowser.27s_Size) down to only a percentage of his size of that in other games. Not that that made him a bad character.

If they do put Ashnard in there, they'll do something like that.

[Bells]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Well... Forte an Protoman are bot character with Huge fanbases... i guess they only lose to Zero an X actually...

As Roll, Zero and Megaman would all fall into the "mainstream" or "Overlyused characters" section... it seens only fair that nintendo could try to give space to other characters that are not the main stars of Nintendo Games...

Zero is WAY overused...
For "megaman style" we already have Samus

At least Protoman has that neat Shield, and Forte would make a cool boss

[Mirai Gen]

Well... Forte an Protoman are bot character with Huge fanbases... i guess they only lose to Zero an X actually...
...again, I say, how did you come to that conclusion? Mega Man is hugely recognized, and nearly everyone can recognize the blue bomber. Meanwhile people would see Forte, Zero, or Protoman and go, "Who is this guy? Why is he alot like Mega Man?"

If you're going to state that they have huge fanbases, don't get me wrong. You're right, they do. But these are by people who already recognize Mega Man. People who wouldn't recognize the secondary characters would recognize Mega Man. And unless you've got some sort of poll or fact to back it up, I'm going to just say you're wrong stating otherwise.

You know, honestly, Wario's move has really turned me off on this game.

I mean, if I want bad fart jokes I'll molest hang out with second graders. I do not need the AI, or one of my dumbass friends, to be all like "FEAR THE WRATH OF THE BEAN BURRITO! LOLORZ!" I imagine that happening five times will make me tear the game out of my Wii, smash it into the floor, stomp on it, and then beat it with a baseball bat, and THEN beat the stupid japanese prick who came up with that move with the baseball bat--bits of SSBB still stuck to it.
If you actually have friends who would say something like that, and actually believe it to be funny, I think you're blaming the wrong thing. I mean...this is sort of like Mortal Kombat or Primal Rage. Both had characters that fought using a vomit attack, and a farting attack. Bo'rai Cho happened to be a drunkard, and Chaos happened to be a giant ape.

They were silly characters, and that was their role. Given the context of Smash Brothers - and comparing it to Mortal Kombat - I'd say it's perfectly fine to have an attack like that. True, we'll have the 14 year old make fart joke references up and down, but how is that Nintendo's fault?

[Lockeownzj00]

Eh. I'm just so turned off by bathroom humor. Makes the game look bad, I think.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Eh. I'm just so turned off by bathroom humor. Makes the game look bad, I think.

I'm turned off by bathroom and stupid humor as well. But Nintendo is making it look like comedy gold compared to something I'd see on Saturday Night or Blue Collar TV. Those are the type of people who take those things too far. This is just going to be a movie that people are only going to be able to get maybe once a match and it sounds like only if they survive long enough. With the continual getting killed, few people are going to be able to stay alive long enough to let it rip.

And once again, its one of Wario's trademark moves. They're going to put it in, just like putting in Jigglypuff's fart attack. Which Jigglypuffs wasn't even a trademark move, but everyone calls it his fart attack cuz that's what it looks like. Might as well let another character have a thing like that.

And again, let's not be saying we don't want a 'fart' joke in a game when I'm sure a lot of you watch and love Chris Farley, Will Ferrel, Mike Meyers or any combonation of the three. Or how about Peter on Family Guy farting for 2 minutes straight. Yeah, Wario's fart bomb is starting to not look so out of place next to these characters who have gotten worldwide acclaim for throwing fart jokes and worse left and right.

[Mirai Gen]

Well, uh, Kenryuko said it all for me.

It's appropriate, and its funny in the context of Wario.

[Meister]

I could see Ashnard in there, kinda resembling Ganondorf.
Sort of like Ganondorf "kinda" resembles Captain Falcon? I'd be glad to see the clone characters reworked, mainly because it felt enough like a huge cop-out the first time.

Oh, for the record, Luigi's ->+B move looked a lot like a fart attack in SSBM, so, well...

[Loyal]

No, Meister. Resembling as in heavy-footed and powerful, perhaps slow as well. The man has damn heavy armor, but he's a soldier through and through.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

While I am excited to see this game come to fruituion, I must ask about Pit. Doesn't he seem to be a replacement for Young Link. Other then his Bow turning into a blade, the two seem to be similar.

Plus Nobuo Uematsu doing soem of the music. :D

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

While I am excited to see this game come to fruituion, I must ask about Pit. Doesn't he seem to be a replacement for Young Link. Other then his Bow turning into a blade, the two seem to be similar.

Plus Nobuo Uematsu doing soem of the music. :D

Actually, aside from the age of their face (although I'm sure Pit is suppose to be ageless), I don't see any similarity. The way they jump (Pit appears to be able to jump more than two or more time in mid air), attack, even look on the outside....don't really see where they are alike. He's also taller than Young Link.

Also, I hope that they don't put Young Link in. He's kinda fun in Melee, but having 2 different versions of Link just makes me kinda feel like Link is taking up 2 spaces where another character could have been. Even if they just had some ability where if you held up + A and Link turned into Young Link...they're still going to take development time from something else.

[Regulus Tera]

Talking about clone characters, which one do you guys think should not appear in this game? I know almost everybody despises them, but you have to admit some of them are really cool (coughRoyandGanondorfcough!). With some modifications to their moves, they would probably regain their awesomeness lost by being cheap clones of others.

Also, Nobuo Uematsu + (hopefully) Koji Kondo? I'm already joygasming at the thought of that.

Noli manare manare in memoria, noli manare manare in memoria Ganondorf! Ganondorf!

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Talking about clone characters, which one do you guys think should not appear in this game? I know almost everybody despises them, but you have to admit some of them are really cool (coughRoyandGanondorfcough!). With some modifications to their moves, they would probably regain their awesomeness lost by being cheap clones of others.

Also, Nobuo Uematsu + (hopefully) Koji Kondo? I'm already joygasming at the thought of that.

Noli manare manare in memoria, noli manare manare in memoria Ganondorf! Ganondorf!

I....WANT....WIND....WAKER...GANONDORF!

Ganon + Two Swords + Crazy cool Robe + Magic + Cel Shaded = win.

See, the way I fugure it is, if the Brawl Link is going to be the new dark 'bad-ass' version, might as well give us the sweet Cel Shaded Ganon. ANd then throw in the old style Zelda for even more fun (the old style Zelda being the same Zelda we know and love, but she can use a Bow and Arrow along with all the magic).

[Bells]

you know who i dont want in this game?

Yo! Noid
Any Battletoad
and any sega character thats not Sonic...

Although... we could use more Female characters on those games...

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

I was referring to attack styles, not looks.

Would Cel Gannondorf look good in SSB: Brawl. To be honest, I prefferred the OoT Ganon because he seemed so dark and powerful. I don;t think alot of people will get that reaction.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

I was referring to attack styles, not looks.

Would Cel Gannondorf look good in SSB: Brawl. To be honest, I prefferred the OoT Ganon because he seemed so dark and powerful. I don;t think alot of people will get that reaction.

Smash Bros aleady has a myriad of styles. Many characters look different from the 'norm'. Already to me Pikachu and Kirby look totally differet from Adult Link and Marth for example. I think Cel shaded could fit well. Especially since the Cel Shading in Wind Waker is 3D and the same 40 fps fluid motion that Smash Bros uses. In terms of movement and design, it would all work. The only thing that might be akward would be the 'look' of the cel shading, but I think that could easily be overlooked over time.

[greed]

I'm fine with the cell shaded Ganondorf, his look may be a bit odd but a twin sword wielder would be fun, as long as they got some of his specials from OoT like the earth quake punch and energy balls.
I'm just hoping we get Ganon, the demonic pig form, as a sort of ultra broken SNK style boss character at the end of adventure mode becuase really that's the only way Ganon would fit.

[Regulus Tera]

Oh oh! Get that and an ultra-super-mega-fantastilicious-ominous latin chorus written by Uematsu, and you have a winnar!

And a Master Foot too. Maybe two. Or even three.

[Magus]

Where is an Ogre Battle character?! Destin Faroda and Quass Debonair would be more appealing to me than all these FE characters they keep throwing in...

EDIT: Oh, and yes, Ganon from Wind Waker needs to be there, even if it's only that he has the same wardrobe. I would prefer he became an actual player and not just a much easier to control Captain Falcon super powerhouse, and twin swords are ALWAYS cool. Name me a time they aren't.

[Novasol]

As long as we're fantasizing about third party characters that would never make it in... I'd want Phoenix Wright.

Yes, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.

B: "HOLD IT!" - Throws handcuffs, upon connecting they slow down an enemy and inflict damage.
Down B: "OBJECTION!" - Phoenix points and yells "Objection!" complete with the trademark speech bubble. Any projectile it hits is reflected back.
Foward B: "TAKE THAT!" - Phoenix swings a very large bag of evidence. Attack gets more powerful as items are collected.
Upward B: Rise from the ashes - Phoenix takes on the appearance of a blazing phoenix and shoots upward at an angle.

[[ray.z]]

Oh, and yes, Ganon from Wind Waker needs to be there, even if it's only that he has the same wardrobe. I would prefer he became an actual player and not just a much easier to control Captain Falcon super powerhouse, and twin swords are ALWAYS cool. Name me a time they aren't.

Yes twin swords would definitely be awesome - but there are alot of sword fighters in the game now (Nintendo just introduced three).

I'd prefer to see Ganon in the game, as Ganondorf's super move. Just to have Ganon, teleporting around the screen throwing fireballs and swinging his trident would be mad.

Yeah the Wind Waker robe is mad - even just adding that to on top of his current OoT costume would be good enough. Or maybe even have the entire Wind Waker costume available as an alternate costume (but not old and fat - even though he does mean he's heaps more powerful).

the use of cell shading for Ganondorf however, would not work. Yes ok, characters like Pikachu and Kirby retain this style, because it suits them as a character. But to see Ganondorf coloured in the same way would seriously compromise his villiany look. Plus, it goes against how the characters now look.

What would be mad is if Ganondorf appears in the game as he will in Twilight Princess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Twilight_Princess). But is there any screenshots of him?

And Zelda (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/ZeldaTP.jpg) too. Yes. She should also at least have a weapon (like a bow 'n arrow).

Cause who can't admit that Link doesn't look mad now?

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Zelda was already in Smash Brothers: Melee. Sure she also doubled as the better combatant Sheik, but she was in it. But if you meant her as herself with more of a combat presence then I agree with you.

Who I'd really love to see is Alex and/or Ryan from River City Ransom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_City_Ransom).

These characters would make an awesome addition to SSBB. Imagine Alex/Ryan bicycle kicking into the fray, grabbing (for the sake of conversation) Mario and using him as a temporary bashing and throwing weapon, followed by a flurry of kicks and punches. Fun!

[Loyal]

(Nintendo just introduced three).Two. Samus is using a whip. Swords, even lightsabers with a heavy motion blur, do not look that thin and curvy being swung like that.

[[ray.z]]

Yeah. sorry my bad :sweatdrop.

But I guess if Nintendo wants a whip, then its a whip. Phooey.

Actually, it could be mad. Like you could wrap it around opponents, grab items, and crack that whip.

I can see someone making a music video using footage from SSBB and that song hehehe.

Just saying this though - what I don't like about Zero-Suit Samus is that

This isn't a pure character addition. Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit.
Now how will she get it back on then? Me thinks that once you change into her, you can't change back.

So then why don't they just make her a pure character addition. It's not like they're in excess of characters of that series anyway. And on that note, they need to put Ridely in there too. Now that'd be cool.

Whoa! That's a woman under there!
Hehehe.

[Premmy]

I agree about ridely. My biggest rpoblem with previous Smash bros is that there were too few characters from different games. In the first one mario more or less dominated. With himself and Luigig as the only two characters from the same gamesnex to jigglypuff and Pikachu. In the second one, a little more was added. I am happy with link,Zelda/sheik(don't change this) and Gannondorf. Pokemon got more chracters Mario got way too many characters as well. Kirby and donkey kong however were neglected. I'm glad to see metaknight but Dedede would hvae been a welcomed addition. Ridely, And Maybe One of the hunters from the hunter game would have been great. King K-rool and Diddy Kong as well

[NorthDragoon]

Metaknight is at least ten times better than Dedede. Metaknight has bat wings and a wicked sword, what does Dedede have? A massive gut and a hammer if you're lucky. I doubt Dedede will show up because his specialty is inhale food, and Smash Bros. already has Kirby for that. He'd end up a copy character, which is unnecessary.

Sig-int: "So that's that..."
Snake: "...CQC."

Snake is a surprise, but a very cool one. I wonder exactly how his special moves are going to play out... the box is in I guess, but what else? Ak-47? Claymore mines? ...rotten reticulated python? There's too much to choose from to speculate without any more info from Nintendo.

I hope there aren't any more Pokemon, Melee had way too many (4, one of them a pathetic copy-cat de-evolution). Not just selectable characters, but the bloody poke balls too. Hated those things so much.

That Ashnard theory is interesting, he would fit right in with Gannondorf, both of them being crazy despots and all. But what about some of the other Daein generals such as the aforementioned Black Knight (I think he actually has a name but I forget what it is) and Ena (Goldoa laguz - dragon lady basically).

This is probably far-fetched, but with Nobuo doing music, is it possible that characters from the Square-Enix universe might appear? I'm thinking not just Final Fantasy but Dragon Quest and Seiken Densetsu (that's the Mana series: Secret of Mana, Sword of Mana etc.) as well? I'm thinking FFVII Cid would be an interesting addition, using his spear and explosives, maybe with a Highwind super move? Well, okay maybe not FFVII (it was never on Nintendo systems) but some of the older titles perhaps? FFVI has like 20 or 30 characters to choose from. If you really want a copycat similar to Kirby, why not use Gogo? That guy/girl was crazy. It could do just about anything.

Lastly, if Ridley shows up, he won't be a selectable character: way too big. Maybe he'll show up as part of a level (see Kraid in Melee) or as a boss, maybe.

Most likely there's going to be even more surprises, alot of them will likely be left undiscovered until SSM:B is released. For example, wasn't Giga Bowser a bit startling in Melee? Not to mention right off his rocker?

This isn't very likely, but wouldn't Fighter :fighter: be a great character? His stage could be Swordsville, lol.:D

[Althane]

One thing I'd like to see in Brawl is enviroments that can really help or hurt specific characters. For example, does anyone remeber that one boss in Super Metroid that you could beat in seconds by electrocuting with the grappling hook and the turret?

Something like that, that'd appear like once on a certain stage, and only a few times per while that you play that stage. Like a special free KO, but usable by more than one character (then again, it IS kinda cheap).

Just to throw a random idea in for game fun. My thoughts on Snake is that he's going to be like Fox. Probably with the ability to turn totally invisible, and then do sneak attacks worth major damage.

As for the whole "fart joke" thing. Meh, it's a move. If you don't like it, don't use Wario.

[death_trooper]

Third-party characters eh?
Well then...
How about raiden insted of snake?
..............................................
........what?
(i'm just kidding with ya, seriously.)

[DarkCORN!]

First I must say Zero Suit Samus is hott. Also, I would love to see Dante in this game. Mega man would probably have all the same moves as Samus (in the same way that Ganondorf and Captain Falcon had all the same moves in Melee except Ganon was slower.).

[EVILNess]

I could see mega-man as a mix between Samus and Kirby. His Left/Right+B attack could absorb powers from an enemy and change his Mega-Buster(Which would be a Samus-esque Charge beam weapon.) to a different beam weapon. IE Mario would give him a flame thrower, Samus would give him Missles, etc. His Down+B would be a slide attack, and his Up+B Could be a Rush Coil Uppercut.

He would Run like Ness, and Jump like Link.

[[ray.z]]

I dunno. The ability to take powers like that would be similar to Kirby's move.

What I reckon would be good for Megaman's moveset is like the EVILNess wrote above, but instead of Across+B copying a move, it could be something else like a Hadoken (http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/files/Classic/PowerF/Unused/unusedmegamanTPF.gif).
And instead of the Rush-Coil uppercut, you could have the Shoryuken (http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/files/Classic/Megaman/mmpfsheet.gif) (or Mega-Upper).

I like the ability to copy powers as well, but lets keep it like it is in the Classic games. When you defeat someone as Megaman, you gain their power for your B move, and when you get re-incarnated back into the game, you've lost that power. Oh and you can switch between them as well using the taunt button.

And they shouldn't leave Megaman by himself either. If they do put him in they should also include either Protoman and/or Bass. These characters would also have similar movesets but still different characters. What I mean is no clones!

But I just wanna know - why would he run like Ness. I'm quite sure Megaman doesn't run like that.

Lastly, if Ridley shows up, he won't be a selectable character: way too big. Maybe he'll show up as part of a level (see Kraid in Melee) or as a boss, maybe.
Like I said before in the thread. If he does show up, they'll just downsize him. And besides, they shrunk him in the opening seqence of Melee.

[E Matrix]

i like the idea of mega man with the limited copy ability, and protoman would just be awesome. this is a little off topic, but dont you think snake is going to be a little out of place? i mean all of the other nintendo characters have a cartoony charm about them, where snake is realistic and brutal. it just seems a little strange. dont get me wrong, i like the idea fo snake and i pray they have some move where he hides in a box, but he seems just a little too real for SSB

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

i like the idea of mega man with the limited copy ability, and protoman would just be awesome. this is a little off topic, but dont you think snake is going to be a little out of place? i mean all of the other nintendo characters have a cartoony charm about them, where snake is realistic and brutal. it just seems a little strange. dont get me wrong, i like the idea fo snake and i pray they have some move where he hides in a box, but he seems just a little too real for SSB

No offence dude but Link in SSB: Brawl is far from Cartoony. So Snake would fit in fine.

[E Matrix]

did they use the twp link? my point was that ssb had been aimed at younger crowds, where metal gear had been aimed a bit older, so i think the kids playing wont be able to relate with snake as well as favorite nintendo characters, such as link, samus, and others.

[Regulus Tera]

The Metroid series hasn't been very child-oriented in the past installments. So, no, I don't think so. Also, for megaman, you could look at its moveset from the Marvel VS Capcom series. Of course, you would have to simplify that in order to fit the Super Smash Bros. Style. And for Snake, has anyone played Dream Mix TV? How is Snake's character there? Like, what moves does he use?

[E Matrix]

wtf is dream mix tv?

[Regulus Tera]

Hail the mighty wiki! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamMix_TV:_World_Fighters)

And gamefaqs, too! (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/game/918935.html)

[[ray.z]]

In Dream Mix TV, Snake uses a variety of kicks, plus he punches and does combos.

He also has three special moves in the game - all of which involve C4. You can:

Drop C4
Plant C4 (Grab Move)
Throw C4 (Mid-Air Move)

It ain't much for special moves (or just moves in general), isn't it?

http://faqs.neoseeker.com/Games/PS2/dreammix_tv_a.txt

If I was going to use the Marvel vs Capcom moves, I'd only use the hand-hand fighting ones. I wouldn't like to have included the Tornado Hold, Leaf Sheild and Mega Ball as the special moves. However, the Hyper Adapter would be great for a power up move (but it has to be toned down a bit).

http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/files/Classic/Marv/Megaman/index.php
http://www.mmhp.net/GameHints/MvsC.html

[EVILNess]

When I said run like Ness, I meant his running speed would be like similar to Ness'.

And what about more obscure characters, I Mean we have the mainstream pretty much covered, but I would like to see the hero from Adventure Island!

Hmm... what was his name... Oh yeah! Master Higgans!

[[ray.z]]

Hahaha I've never heard of that game, but it would be funny to have some chubby little kid in a grass skirt and a red cap in the game. But what special moves does he have? All I could really see in what his moves where shooting, skating, and a fairie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_Island_%28video_game%29

But the ability to transform into a dragon would be decent for a super move.

So in order for Nintendo to make Master Higgans a character, they'd have to make up a fair few moves (like they did for Ness [who is now ruined] in SSBM). But since they did make five versions of the game for NES and SNES, and considering they put in Pit from just two-three games (its hard to tell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Icarus_series#Games)), if someone were to suggest it at Nintendo, they could consider it.

But then again, there's nothing special about the character anyway, or even cool looking :cool: (and it's a ripoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Boy_%28video_game%29#Clones) of Sega's Wonder Boy - well kinda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_Island_%28video_game%29#Origin_of_the_ga me)).

[E Matrix]

Dream Mix TV sounds sooo awesome
now i wanna play it

[Mirai Gen]

Hail the mighty wiki! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamMix_TV:_World_Fighters)

And gamefaqs, too! (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/game/918935.html)
You know, somewhere, there's a couple of Japanese guys sitting back.

One of them works for Sammy Studios, and is holding a copy of Guilty Gear XX Slash.

The other works for whoever made that game, and is holding Dream Mix TV.

And both, right now, I fucking hate for not letting me play those games.

Bastards.

[Jhonka]

As long as we're fantasizing about third party characters that would never make it in... I'd want Phoenix Wright.

Yes, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.

B: "HOLD IT!" - Throws handcuffs, upon connecting they slow down an enemy and inflict damage.
Down B: "OBJECTION!" - Phoenix points and yells "Objection!" complete with the trademark speech bubble. Any projectile it hits is reflected back.
Foward B: "TAKE THAT!" - Phoenix swings a very large bag of evidence. Attack gets more powerful as items are collected.
Upward B: Rise from the ashes - Phoenix takes on the appearance of a blazing phoenix and shoots upward at an angle.
Genius.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

I would love to see Will from Illusion of Gaia in SSB.

He would be similar to Zelda except he turns into either Freenan or Shadow. It would be random on who he turns into though.

B Telekinesis: Can block energy shots and bring items close

Smash B: Psychic Dash: Hold down B and charge for a dash attack

Up B: Psychic Tornado: Flies upwards blowing opponents away

Down B: Transformation: Turns into Either SHadow or Freenan

[sonicpotter]

Wow. There's a thread for this game to every forum I go to.
But enogh of myy lifestory. Who else wants medusa from Kid Icarus in and a balloon fighter mini game.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

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I like the ability to copy powers as well, but lets keep it like it is in the Classic games. When you defeat someone as Megaman, you gain their power for your B move, and when you get re-incarnated back into the game, you've lost that power. Oh and you can switch between them as well using the taunt button.

That's what I'm thinking should happen. Also make it optional and you can push select to shuffle thrugh the powers youve obtained and use them. The more people you kill and survive, the more powers you get. Then when you get killed, you lose all powers.