READ THIS, you slack-jawed idiots, or THE NEW CONSOLE WARS, z0MG!

[Mike McC]

So, they've literally made a game that is so complicated it's stupid and it's probably only going to be released on the most expensive console ever?

SIGN ME UP FOR SOME OF THATThey're still making games for the Neo-Geo, The 3DO, and the CDi?

Seriously, those three systems had higher release prices than Sony's complete PS3 bundle. The more you know (star with rainbow goes here).

And, let's not mention Pioneer's short-lived LaserActive. That cost nearly $1000 when it came out in 1993, plus several hundred more for each module to add onto it.

[Bamboozehound]

Yeah, well, if I ever get reincarnated as a little Japanese boy born into a moderately wealthy family I'll be sure to make use of that information.

[ZERO.]

With Sony right now it's just one punch in the balls after another.

EDIT:Some are self-inflicted.

[Bells]

You guys are really after sony arent ya?

About the warhawk... please.... reade the story before talking about it, they amde tests using the processing capabilities of the PS3, and found out that it had more power then it was needed.... but that dosent mean it will be useless potencial... the same power they can use to fill a screen with 100 so enemies they can use to add extras, more customization options, bigger and better scenarios, better sounds effects... its a lot of stuff...

And is sure as hell good to know that developers arent needing to find ways to get around the system limitations just so they can fill their visions and gamming ideas...

[ZAKtheGeek]

the same power they can use to fill a screen with 100 so enemies they can use to add extras, more customization options, bigger and better scenarios, better sounds effects... its a lot of stuff...
Really? Because it sounds like a GPU issue...

[bananarama]

Now I'm no PS3 fanboy myself; I am a Wii man (Oh Christ). But you guys seem to be writing Sony's obituaries way before the console is even released. Wait and see; Sony may surprise you.

[ZERO.]

Thing is, way back before any of the new consoles were spawned, people knew the storm was coming, people already had sides picked.

All consoles have their nay sayers all consoles have in the past, we will just have to wait for things to play out.

Right now a little more people are saying nay to Sony.

I can understand that because of Sonys current “marketing plan”.

[Mirai Gen]

A really great write-up on the Playstation 3. (http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/view.php?id=1626)

This guy's simply genius.
It now appears all that wasn't good enough for Sony. With the PlayStation 3 the company is going after the high-end power user. It is almost as if Coca-Cola not only decided to go with a new formula, but also decided to exit the low brow soft drink business to go into high-end wines. Of course, there is a market for high-end products but it is 1) a very different consumer type and 2) not nearly as big as the blue collar mass market. Wal-mart sells more toys than FAO Schwartz and McDonald's sells more beef than Ruth's Chris Steak House.

I'm glad that someone notices that everyone in this new Console War is going to 'revolutionary' stuff. Wii with, well, everything, and the PS3 with it's aim to the hardcore consumer instead of the family.

Problem is, the PS3 may not make it out alive. It's just speculation, but this article believes they could become bottom of the barrel.

[Krylo]

He doesn't seem that bright to me...

The problem is that is only one factor in our forecasting matrix. Furthermore, with the competition having features like Xbox Live and the Nintendo Wii controller, the PS3 may not have that much of an advantage in the elusive "Wow Factor."The PS3 is going to have an advanced model of an internet service that outdoes X-box Live in most every conceivable way if they stick with their current plans. More closely related to the one Nintendo will have.

With a Linux based OS and the ability to download patches/add-ons for games, and the ability for indie developers to upload entire games onto the server, thus allowing for people who don't have the money to produce and sell in the normal way to still get into the production biz on the PS3 (note: the Wii is also doing just about all of this).

X-Box live has very little 'Wow' power in comparison.

And allow me to expand on the quote you have...

The secret to the PS2's success was more in the wide range of product offerings: all kinds of sports games, racing games, RPGs, action titles, big name licenses, kid friendly products, RPGs with Disney characters, etc. Japan had Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, Europe had EyeToy and SingStar. In all markets, the PlayStation2 was a complete entertainment system for the family priced under $300.

It now appears all that wasn't good enough for Sony. With the PlayStation 3 the company is going after the high-end power user. It is almost as if Coca-Cola not only decided to go with a new formula, but also decided to exit the low brow soft drink business to go into high-end wines. Of course, there is a market for high-end products but it is 1) a very different consumer type and 2) not nearly as big as the blue collar mass market. Wal-mart sells more toys than FAO Schwartz and McDonald's sells more beef than Ruth's Chris Steak House.

In context, it's actually pretty goddamn stupid.

It's more like comparing Sony to Hardee's really. Sony is still giving you all that diversity that the other two simply DO NOT HAVE, but it's also upgraded its formula.

Back in the day Hardee's was a pretty decent place, but its burgers were no better than the competition. Sure it had a variety, but they didn't stand out. Then Hardee's was all like "How about if we make the burgers out of Black Angus Beef, flame broil them, and just, generally, make the best damn burgers on the market--INCLUDING most sit down burger joints?"

Besides that, the PS3's price really ISN'T that insane when you look at the price of consoles in the past.

Oh sure, it's fun to compare it to the Neo-Geo and what have you... which charged about twice as much than the figure the president said games would NEVER REACH, quite a few years back when that price was even higher than it looks, thanks to the fact that the value of the dollar HAS gone down since then.

However, that, and most of the others, is simply a flawed analogy. One that has been used to beat on Sony for no good reason.

Core PlayStation franchises like Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and others are starting to appear on other systems.Wait, when was DQ a Core PlayStation franchise? DQVIII sold a lot, yeah, but where's DQVII? I never even heard about it coming out? How about DQVI? DQV?

How does ONE game that came out near the end of their second console (thus having very very very little impact, if any, on console sales) make DQ a 'Core PS Franchise'? I guess maybe in Japan?

Let's go even further--the Wii and DS are getting a few, by comparison, INCREDIBLY shitty Final Fantasy games--that damn near require multiple players (therefore shooting for a very specific niche market that the PS has never been concerned with), while Sony continues to rake in the actual games, like FFXII and FFXIII (all three games), yet Sony is losing Final Fantasy as a 'Core Playstation Franchise'.

And what about the mentions of Devil May Cry or God of War, both very good franchises, both things that players are interested, and both games that have (or will have) multiple games exclusive to the PS, unlike DQ.

What is this guy smoking, and where can I get some? Seriously. He's obviously fucking high.

I mean, hell, he even ARGUES AGAINST HIMSELF if you pay attention.

Core PlayStation franchises like Grand Theft Auto [...] are starting to appear on other systems.
So Grand Theft Auto, and other core franchises, not being exclusive will hurt them... but... wait...
we think hit software is only one part of the equation. It is our view that the PlayStation systems have been successful not because of hit software but mainly because of software diversity and third-party support.
According to him, THOSE HIT FRANCHISES DON'T EVEN MATTER to Sony's success as a company.

What matters is continued third party support--which they have.

I mean, I know that bashing Sony is the in thing to do--but so long as their competition is the X-Box and Wii, they're still going to stay at or near the top.

Why?

The Wii isn't even a direct competitor anymore. The games will not be or play the same. They're going for something completely different.

That's a GOOD thing, and I'll sure as fuck buy one, but a Wii is not going to sate my need for gaming as God intended. Nor anyone else's.

And the X-box is like the retarded cousin of the PS that doesn't do anything but first person shooters and only has like three exclusive titles... maybe ten or fifteen if you don't count the fact that nearly all of them get ported to the computer, and play better there, anyway.

It's got FAR weaker third party support, very few exclusives, and a weaker system. And, most importantly, it doesn't 'do' RPGs. At least not really. Which is a significant problem because of how 'big' console RPGs have gotten.

Well, I'm done, you can get back to your orgy of Sony bashing.

[Mirai Gen]

Krylo, back up a moment.

It now appears all that wasn't good enough for Sony. With the PlayStation 3 the company is going after the high-end power user.
I'd like to see you disprove that.

I'm agreeing with you, because looking back at the article after I made the post I suddenly noticed his flawed point about the software of GTA and stuff. I still think it's worth noting that he says the PS1 and PS2's success was largely because it was a reliable game system that many people owned. Now they're going for the hardcore user that will manipulate every little thing in the PS3.

Really, I don't see how that's flawed logic at all. It's pretty accurate.
Let's go even further--the Wii and DS are getting a few, by comparison, INCREDIBLY shitty Final Fantasy games--that damn near require multiple players (therefore shooting for a very specific niche market that the PS has never been concerned with), while Sony continues to rake in the actual games, like FFXII and FFXIII (all three games), yet Sony is losing Final Fantasy as a 'Core Playstation Franchise'.
He probably doesn't know his games as well as we do, but Final Fantasy is not a PS exclusive - if Nintendo wants to make FF14, there's a pretty good chance they can. Sony lost GTA exclusivity, and I'm sure we all can ignore anything he's said about DQ8.

The point was that exclusivity is not nearly at the levels it used to be with SquareSoft and RockStar.
Besides that, the PS3's price really ISN'T that insane when you look at the price of consoles in the past.
It'd be nice if this 'Past Money' came back and bought a PS3 for me. That way the movement of inflation would catch up to my gaming needs.

That felt good.

The point is it's still overpriced compared to the competitors, and most consumers honestly will look at a PS3 and go, "that's...that's too expensive."

There's always going to be the hardcore Sony fanboy, well, no shit. Everyone's got their loyalists - Uwe Boll even has his.
we think hit software is only one part of the equation. It is our view that the PlayStation systems have been successful not because of hit software but mainly because of software diversity and third-party support.
According to him, THOSE HIT FRANCHISES DON'T EVEN MATTER to Sony's success as a company.
What matters is continued third party support--which they have.
Allow me to draw your attention elsewhere. He was talking about the fact that big-hit games coupled with a plethora of third-party was what made up the success of the PlayStation, with that third-party support heading the front.

Saying that he insists those big hit titles DIDN'T EVEN MATTER is ridiculous. Of course they mattered - he said so! The majority goes to the third-party.

He estimates (and I don't know where he got that number from, because I think it's wrong, too) 20% of the PS owners bought a GTA game. That's alot of GTA if you compare how many people own a PS2.
Well, I'm done, you can get back to your orgy of Sony bashing.
...you know what? When we start saying "OMG LOL SONY = $$$$" you'll have a reason to say that. Right now it comes off as an insult, and I'm getting tired of being called anti-Sony simply because I posted an article presenting an interesting angle.

I'm sure the guy's got some flaws in his logic, but I just liked his pointing of the fact that the PS1 and PS2 were wide-range games, and now the PS3, supporting a plethora of things casual gamers won't use, seems to be changing that aim.

[Krylo]

...you know what? When we start saying "OMG LOL SONY = $$$$" you'll have a reason to say that. Right now it comes off as an insult, and I'm getting tired of being called anti-Sony simply because I posted an article presenting an interesting angle.I dare you to go through this thread and count the number of positive things said about ANY system and then count the negative things said about Sony... ESPECIALLY in the last ten pages or so, and then say that again.

[Bells]

A lot of stuff

You just said pretty much everything...

And as a personal note, saying that the PS3 is overpriced is already sony bashing... as it is NOT overpriced... its expensive... but not overpriced... there is a HUGE difference...

Also, if you compare the XBOX 360 launch price, and the cheaper PS3 Lauch price and you'll see the gap isnt all that huge as some may say... and also... the PS3 is better (little or much more) than the XBOX360 in all matters...

[Mike McC]

I dare you to go through this thread and count the number of positive things said about ANY system and then count the negative things said about Sony... ESPECIALLY in the last ten pages or so, and then say that again.Seconded. Yeah, the PS3 is going to be comparitavely more expensive, but in the long run that won't hurt it much. If anything, it'll only bring around a price drop quicker than usual.

[MuMu]

This (http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html) HAD to be posted. I agree with most of them but some are a little stupid(Crate's one).

[ZAKtheGeek]

Where's the game where we get to play as Dr. House and diagnose mysterious illnesses while crushing the patient's spirit with cruel insults?
Oh god yes. I've written about this. This... this must come into being.

[bananarama]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/02/wii-launch-date-nov-6-says-si-for-kids/

Hate to break up the PS3 speculation, but apparently a launch date for the wii has surfaced, on SI for Kids even more surprisingly. Now I personally don't trust this info, but who nows? Maybe Nintendo is really aiming for a Nov 6 launch date.

-Edit-
Joystiq links to this site which has the actual pics from the magazine:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=3440

[greed]

Well the source is iffy, but the date is plausible.

[Mirai Gen]

EDIT: Nevermind. Pointless to even bother.

[[ray.z]]

The article's seem kinda suss. Why would Nintendo realease the date in only one magazine. Also, the guy's scanner is broken? What the hell?!

[greed]

Tis definitely suss, but still a November 6 release would rock and at least isn't out of the question, because it's a confirmed November release. Though it will probably be like nov 28 when it comes out.

[bananarama]

Like I said, I am skeptical about the truthiness(go Colbert Report!) of this date, but it does fit in with the Nintendo's statement that its console coming out of the fourth quarter of this year.

[[ray.z]]

Yeah of course it fits in with the Q4 plan, but for all we know, Nintendo could be planning to release the Wii in December.

Hopefully though, it will be early Novemeber.

[Bamboozehound]

My brother talks to me about all the game magazines he reads (he has to have like six subscriptions to various ones) and I admit to being high most of the time while he talks to me about these things, but I could swear he keeps mentioning a Thanksgiving-week projection for the Wii.

[greed]

Umm is Thanksgiving in November or December? (Not American)

[Krylo]

It's in November, you dirty foreign scum.

[Mike McC]

Umm is Thanksgiving in November or December? (Not American)November. Generally the Thursday a week or so before December starts. The day after Thanksgiving is also the biggest shopping day of the year in the US, so having a system come out shortly before then would benefit from that rush.

Assuming enough units were produced.

[greed]

It's in November, you dirty foreign scum.

Thanks, Imperialist American Dog!
Oh and thanks Shinryuu as well for the more specific date.

Edit: This (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/4325) mentions the next gen consoles so I suppose it goes here.
I'd buy it.

[Bells]

So, you guys saw the Apple logo on the PS3 already, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OK41RXLclA&search=PS3

[Krylo]

Is this like people who see the virgin mary in their toast (http://iwantoneofthose.com/search.do;jsessionid=A4278DE43F08FB0B621E98204D747 C6C?productCode=HOO2TO)?

[Mirai Gen]

Yes. Yes it is. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4034787.stm)

[ZERO.]

I went to take a bite out of it, and then I saw this lady looking back at me. I hollered for [my husband]. It scared me at first


Wait, it scared her?

Scary is when you see almighty god himself and he says "I know what your doing on that couch by yourself at night, your going to hell for it if you dont stop!"

[Burkion]

No, that's not scary. THat's just a sign that says God hates you and is a voyer.

[Bells]

Back on topic.... for now =P

Wii Sports : Way too basic?

http://wii.ign.com/articles/717/717268p1.html

When Nintendo first unveiled the Wii line-up during its press conference at this year's E3, it was met with mixed opinions. For some, the Wii was the prefect example of pure innovation, mixing an all-new gameplay format with an equally intriguing marketing strategy, specifically when dealing with the Wii Sports franchise. When we caught our first glimpse of the series we were a little shocked, as the graphical design was far simpler than we were expecting. After hearing that Nintendo was using the Wii Sports design as a simple introductory product line that offers approachable entertainment for both gamers and non-gamers alike, we started to believe. There is, however, a very thin line that now needs to be walked, as Nintendo is setting a software standard for the entire lifespan of Wii. In short, there's a right way to do this kind of game, and a wrong way.

[[ray.z]]

Hmmm.

Well when I saw that it did look extremely basic to me, especially after seeing other games such as TP and that.

But there point of it being an introductory game makes sense, but they're also right in saying that people will see this game and go ...

Wow, that Nintendo Wii looks fun, with all the swinging and jumping and that.
*looks over at PS3*
Woah. That looks so real, I bet that'd be a mad game, since it looks soooooo much better than the Wii.
And hopefully, we won't end up with
... a hundred gimmick games that charge $49.99 a pop.

[Bells]

Still... the only console that goes really against the PS3 is the XBOX360... and the PS3 library, 3rd party support AND hardware, beats the XBOX360...

The Wii is on a class of its own... its not abotu graphics becaiuse the wii is not build on graphic power... its all about concept and gameplay... so the only rival of the Wii is the skill of the game makers... if THEY can make it, the wii will make it

[greed]

Speaking of Wii

Fire Emblem X info. (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/07/10/details-emerge-on-fire-emblem-wii/)

And more Red Steel Screens (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/07/10/new-red-steel-screens/)

Edit: Corrected, it's FE10 not 11, sorry.

[ZERO.]

Still... the only console that goes really against the PS3 is the XBOX360... and the PS3 library, 3rd party support AND hardware, beats the XBOX360...


That’s not a true as it used to be, I just herd on 1ups podcast that ubisoft along with some other companies are thinking of distancing themselves from the Ps3 because of the 600$ price tag.

After a few price drops it might not be true but for now that’s the way things are.

[Mirai Gen]

Wow, that Nintendo Wii looks fun, with all the swinging and jumping and that.
*looks over at PS3*
Woah. That looks so real, I bet that'd be a mad game, since it looks soooooo much better than the Wii.
Problem is, it's going to be much more like this.
Wow, that Nintendo Wii looks fun, with all the swinging and jumping and that.
*looks over at PS3*
Woah. That looks so real, I bet that'd be a mad game, since it looks soooooo much better than the Wii.
Mom/Dad: 600$? 400$? Let me get you this Penis thing instead.
Just my two copper, but the price is the main thing the Wii has going for it, even with the gimmicks aside. That, and downloadable games from the get-go.

That’s not a true as it used to be, I just herd on 1ups podcast that ubisoft along with some other companies are thinking of distancing themselves from the Ps3 because of the 600$ price tag.
There's also speculation that Assassin's Creed, a game that was originally touted to be a game for the PS3 only, may be dual- or triple-platform ready, which could cause some serious harm to the PS3's release-lineup.

[ZAKtheGeek]

I'm sorry, isn't it FE10?

[greed]

Yes it is, I always fuck that up.

Edit: Early Call of Duty 3 (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/07/11/call-of-duty-3-wii-screenshot/) screens for the Wii

[Bells]

So... the XBOX 360 can read movements too... HUh whatabouthat...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr85EsHCz1g

[greed]

Yeah, but tis a peripheral and looking at the size of it, an expensive one.
So it's not the same, the XBOX had motion sensing controllers as well, but because it was optional and expensive nothing used them, same thing really. I mean how many eye toy using games are there outside of the main series and do any of them actually do anything really innovative that hasn't been in arcades for years?

[Bells]

USB Flash memory drives go by a lot of names. Among the many names we've heard, like JumpDrive, RamDrive, FlashDrive, GeekStick and NerdBling, ThumbDrive always seemed the most appropriate, as no matter what you might call one, they're all about the size of your thumb.



Until now. Sony's new line of Micro Vault Tiny Drives aren't ThumbDrives. They're more like ThumbNailDrives. Not only are they miniscule--no thicker than a quarter—they also come in a variety of garish colors straight from the pallet of store-branded nail-polish at run-down convenience stores. Ranging in size from 256MB to 4GB, the adorable NailDrives were designed with "fashion-forward consumers ranging from trend-setting students to style-conscious professionals" in mind. Each Micro Vault Tiny will be packages with a "versatile clip-on carry case that can be worn as an accessory." Maybe we were wrong about the NailDrive thing; NerdBling is actually starting to sound a bit more accurate at this point.

Anyone doubts that the PS3 will make use of these?!

[ZAKtheGeek]

Man, that sounds a lot like the concept behind game boy micro...

[greed]

More stuff (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/07/15/wiimote-info-released/) to make you go Wii. (http://wii.ign.com/articles/718/718946p1.html)

So the spec of keeping your personalised character info on the Wiimote, good, and it sounds somewhat realistic depending on how advanced the character creation is. A 30 hour minimum of battery life doesn't sound bad. Also there seems to a battery life metre on the pointer. Alas it seems that bright fluorescent lights can interfere with the settop strips sensors, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem, I'd say most of us play with lights off or not facing the screen at least to keep glare off the screen.

So anyway what will you make your Wiiner(that's what I'm calling them) look like? You, your avatar, a video game character or some random creation.

[[ray.z]]

Double A batteries??? Those jerks!

And since when have they been using Bluetooth?

[Bluemage007]

I think maybe everyone is looking at the entire console war the wrong way. In fact each system-including Sony, has enormous competitive benifits man have accused Nintendo of not truly being "next-gen." When in fact Sony and Microsoft BOTH are the ones falling behind. Same ole same ole. Updated graphics, online compatability, ect. But this is old news. We've seen it before. In reality Nintendo is the only company currently pushing the bar on interactive gaming. ALthough I've been a Sony faithful for several years now I can't deny that while Sony has visually impressive and powerful software and hardware, a lot of games that were released for PS2 were just not that fun to play. Nintendo has taken a HUGE leap foward much more so than Sony or Microsoft. While SnM (....that CAN'T be a coincidence) are sticking to the same formula they always have. Nintendo has unveiled something completely new. For this reason I think personally that the Wii (despite being a really stupid name) is the only truly "next-gen" console available this fall.

[ZERO.]

I think they stuck to the same formula because it worked the last time.

Though I do think Nintendo is pushing the bar when it comes to the interface for the game, but not pushing the bar when it comes to power.

[[ray.z]]

Though I do think Nintendo is pushing the bar when it comes to the interface for the game, but not pushing the bar when it comes to power.
We need a console that is pushing the bar in both of these areas. We could say Sony is, but interface is really more of a gimmick to them.

[spazzhands]

But is the extra power worth the extra cost to both the consumers and the developers? If the games are more expensive to make, its obvious that developers will be more unlikely to take any risks with innovative gameplay or storylines... The entire market of gaming will be made mainstream, sticking to tried-and-true ideas. We need an economy that does not penalise developers heavily simply because they tried something new that might not have worked. And in that sense, Wii is a step in the right direction.

I would love it to be powerful, I really would. But first and foremost, I want it to be creative.

[ZAKtheGeek]

I think they stuck to the same formula because it worked the last time.
Well, if you've already got something out there that works, why release a new version?

Oh, right. Money.

[NorthDragoon]

Hmm, applying stuff I learned in school to the console war... sounds dangerous... ah screw it. It actually makes enough sense to post.

Here I will show you how I look at the way those corporate gamemongering companies work.

**************************************************
DFD components - system diagrams

So what you do is use certain symbols to represent certain things. There are 4 components:

1. Process -activities of the system
2. External Entity -outside of the system, can be sources of input or destinations of output
3. Dataflow - movement of data
4. Datastore - storage of data

How does this apply to the console wars? Well its like this: the companies who make these consoles, namely Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, are systems. So by using DFD we can define how they operate (basically speaking of course). So the components of these systems are like this:

1. a)takin' yer money and b)raping you in teh butt
2. a)yer wallet(input), and b)yer butt(output)
3. do I really need to explain this? they a)take your money and b)leave unmentionable stuff in yer rear...
4. a)The Big Bank of Bull - stores your money in one vault and ideas for screwing you over in another. also... b)yer butt... yeah.

This explains how the companies work in a short and efficient manner. Its a great model for starting discussions on how much you hate such and such a company. It applies to all of them of course, its just really obvious to use it against the one's you hate.

If this isn't enough, feel free to draw yourself a crude diagram... just don't blame me if people are somewhat... disgusted... by it.

**************************************************

So there you have it. Whether its just comedy bronze or a mildly vulgar look at capitalistic game design, it makes a fair amount of sense...
also it makes me laugh.:D

[ZERO.]

1. a)takin' yer money and b)raping you in teh butt
2. a)yer wallet(input), and b)yer butt(output)
3. do I really need to explain this? they a)take your money and b)leave unmentionable stuff in yer rear...
4. a)The Big Bank of Bull - stores your money in one vault and ideas for screwing you over in another. also... b)yer butt... yeah.

This explains how the companies work in a short and efficient manner. Its a great model for starting discussions on how much you hate such and such a company. It applies to all of them of course, its just really obvious to use it against the one's you hate.


Dude, what is it with you and the human butt?

[ZAKtheGeek]

To be fair, it's only a human butt if the reader is human. He could just as easily have some sort of obsession with butt in general. I mean, even aliens need somewhere to dump metabolic wastes out of, right?

[Bells]

To be fair, it's only a human butt if the reader is human. He could just as easily have some sort of obsession with butt in general. I mean, even aliens need somewhere to dump metabolic wastes out of, right?

Or to probe in!

Both ways could explain this butt'o'philia

[NorthDragoon]

Both ways could explain this butt'o'philia

Er yes they could... if I was employed by Sony... after all a $600 ripoff machine is strikingly similar to alien probing... And quite frankly I don't want to know what Microsoft did to the Xbox fanboys to make them so rabid and stupid at the same time...:sweatdrop

Also as a sidenote, longtime Nintendo fans live in a fantasy world... they have to. Without it they wouldn't have been able to get the bad taste of Square's conversion to Playstation *points to FF7* out of their mouths.

Ah console wars... its beginning to remind me of RvB's Internet vs. Real Life comparison... where the console wars really shine is on the internet...

I voted for Nader! I hate everyone!

[bananarama]

Also as a sidenote, longtime Nintendo fans live in a fantasy world... they have to. Without it they wouldn't have been able to get the bad taste of Square's conversion to Playstation *points to FF7* out of their mouths.

Oh I don't think Square's conversion was that much of problem because, in my completely infallible and unconstestable opinion, the FF series reached its peak at FF6, so far Squenix is incapable of topping that piece of kick ass work.

Oh and why is everyone now obssessed with butts? Seriously guys, get your heads out of your butts.

[ZERO.]

I still don't undterstand why in the hell they wen't with the Wii.

I mean what did they pass up before they came up with that name.

[greed]

I'm no fan of the name myself.

Anyway has anyone else seen this trailer. (http://www.thewiire.com/news/371/1/Heroes_First_Footage_and_Details)
Does anyone have a clue what is going on in it other than awesome.

Edit: Forgot the link.:sweatdrop

[Mr. Viewtiful]

Could people go out and buy the Wii, only to discover that they can't use the system because their room isn't configured to the proper spatial settings?
I'm sure Nintendo will have some sort of fix lined up for this problem, since a lot of potential buyers live in small spaces (college dorms, small apartments, etc.). How they'll do it is beyond me, but I'm 95% sure they'll do something about it.

[Bells]

My concern is that Nintendo is going simplist on GBA, DS and Wii... maybe TOO SIMPLISTIC...

Dont get me wrong... there are times where all we need is a little Tetris and Pong... but there are times where we need our Half Life's, Killzone, Oblivion's and such...

The wii is more like a console for people who wants more than 1 console... unless you dont care about franchises or brandings AT ALL, the wii wont satisfy you...

There are a few games that i totally see on the Wii... really.. playing something like Civilization or Age of Empires using that Wiimote just sounds appealing! KOTOR series would be nice too... but its not just abotu graphics... the Wii has a low processing power compared to the other 2 around... it cant simply compete head to head... thats why its on a class of its own...

The Ps3 and Xbox 360 can run ANY game the Wii can make... but from those, something else is expected...

i really do belive that aside from the amazing Graphics, there is a lot more deepness on the power behind the PS3... a cool library, a nice array of games... and i do belive that the Wii is something else that i would like to play with when im tired of the "Mainstream" titles... but i dont see much more than this...

TGS is coming.. nintendo wont be there... sony usually "runs" that show... so lets see what's up!

[[ray.z]]

@ Silver Rose: Well any of the trailers that you see of people using the Wiimote are mostly over exaggerated (specially the Metroid Prime one).

Most (if not all of the actions) can be done with a simple twist of the wrist.

Moreover, I'm sure that there will be some sort of configuration settings that you can changeon the sensor.

[Mirai Gen]

My concern is that Nintendo is going simplist on GBA, DS and Wii... maybe TOO SIMPLISTIC...

Dont get me wrong... there are times where all we need is a little Tetris and Pong... but there are times where we need our Half Life's, Killzone, Oblivion's and such...

The wii is more like a console for people who wants more than 1 console... unless you dont care about franchises or brandings AT ALL, the wii wont satisfy you...

There are a few games that i totally see on the Wii... really.. playing something like Civilization or Age of Empires using that Wiimote just sounds appealing! KOTOR series would be nice too... but its not just abotu graphics... the Wii has a low processing power compared to the other 2 around... it cant simply compete head to head... thats why its on a class of its own...

The Ps3 and Xbox 360 can run ANY game the Wii can make... but from those, something else is expected...

i really do belive that aside from the amazing Graphics, there is a lot more deepness on the power behind the PS3... a cool library, a nice array of games... and i do belive that the Wii is something else that i would like to play with when im tired of the "Mainstream" titles... but i dont see much more than this...
...What?!

No, I mean, seriously...what in the world are you talking about? I just don't understand you. You're saying that the Wii is a console you'd play when you tire of mainstream games...but that's all?

Isn't that the point behind the Wii? Don't we have enough of our Oblivion 2s and Killzone 2s and Halo 2s and Soul Calibur 2s?

What do you mean, "But I don't see much more than this"?

Look, I understand that you want a generic first person shooter sometimes. I know that a simple fighting game is all that you really want to play at times. But I don't see how this is a 'fault' of the Wii, which will have standard controllers, possibly even the Gamecube ones. So long as it is a console, it will have generic games. Yes, they won't be as pretty as the PS3, but I fail to see how that really 'takes away' from exactly how fun the game would be.

And, honestly, the processing power that the PS3 flaunts just makes it a little smoother to play these aforementioned games. I don't think I'd see a difference if Nintendo made their games a little less shiny. (personal opinion, feel free to disagree)

[MFD]

Does anyone know anything about FFCC2: Crystal Bearers? Specifically, will multiplayer require a DS? I know, it seems like it would, but honestly, the only thing on the GBA for FFCC1 was a map (and I'd add that to the pause screen), your secret objective (and they could change their level up system to take this factor out), and arranging your commands. I see no reason why you can't play using the Wiimote as a standard controller (A- Attack/Confirm, B- Magic, X- Item, Y- Run/Cancel), and you wave it around to access your command list (press start so your character follows the party, and flick the Wiimote left and right to access Magic or items; then flick it up and down to set a different item or magic spell to the command list so that pressing B will activate that spell and pressing X will activate that item). I can see FFCC without the handheld peripheral, but it would be logical that "Potatomoto" would make us use DSes.

[Bells]

...What?!



This is more based on the present PoV from Nintendo... i mean, Bit Generations... its for the GBA

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/720/720397p1.html

ITs just seens to be the Main idea for the first party support on nintendo... not just on the Wii... but all around at nintendo!

Sure... 3rd party is a whole new story... but if we focus on 1rs party, Nintendo is aiming for simplicity, cheaper, quick, non-ambitious designs... they are just pretty much taking simple ideas and Boosting the Fun Factor in it... wich is great!

But its not like Nintendo "cant" compete with sony or microsoft... its more like they dont even want to try! They want to focus on a Group that the PS3 and XBOX arent really caring about...

Sure, the Wii can have its Red Steel, or Metroid Prime... but its not like those games were made to compete against Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell, or even halo... (Well... maybe Halo)

What i see on the Wii its a Consoel that gives a Buttload of fun little neat new ideas, and a half-handfull of Nice Games to please the basic desires of hardcore gamers... which is really Neat...

For a console thats going to be owned by "everyone". Mostly, those people who would want the Wii AND another Next-gen console at their homes...

What im saying is that so far, unless you're a really casual gamer, or someone who isnt attracted by any expecific Franchises, Having only The Wii, isnt going to get you 100% satisfied compared with what the other 2 Consoles are offering...

[h4x.m4g3]

My concern is that Nintendo is going simplist on GBA, DS and Wii... maybe TOO SIMPLISTIC...

Dont get me wrong... there are times where all we need is a little Tetris and Pong... but there are times where we need our Half Life's, Killzone, Oblivion's and such...

The wii is more like a console for people who wants more than 1 console... unless you dont care about franchises or brandings AT ALL, the wii wont satisfy you...

There are a few games that i totally see on the Wii... really.. playing something like Civilization or Age of Empires using that Wiimote just sounds appealing! KOTOR series would be nice too... but its not just abotu graphics... the Wii has a low processing power compared to the other 2 around... it cant simply compete head to head... thats why its on a class of its own...


Ok so the Wii isn't going to have the super advanced graphics that the PS3 and 360 have. But I'm a man who plays Oblivion, Quake 4, Doom 3, etc at the Lowest Settings and has a great time. And since the Wii still has a standard controller I see no problem, with lower graphics games being ported, except for you know all that contracting and liscensing stuff.

The Ps3 and Xbox 360 can run ANY game the Wii can make... but from those, something else is expected...
Except for you know games that make full use of the gyroscope, motion sensing, etc. Oh sure maybe you could map those commands to a joystick, but that would be a completely different gameplay experience wouldn't it. I'm not talking about a different in resolution on images, but a this game feels completely different from on the Wii. So graphically yeah they could run any game that came out on Wii in high res, but the experience would be completely different.

i really do belive that aside from the amazing Graphics, there is a lot more deepness on the power behind the PS3... a cool library, a nice array of games... and i do belive that the Wii is something else that i would like to play with when im tired of the "Mainstream" titles... but i dont see much more than this...
No doubt about it, all those cool liscensing agreements are going to make me buy a PS3. Because all those mainstream games are the only good ones right? Seriously I'm going to have to buy a 360 and PS3 later because of some franchises, but does that mean they'll be the only good games to buy?\

Edit to say:
What i see on the Wii its a Consoel that gives a Buttload of fun little neat new ideas, and a half-handfull of Nice Games to please the basic desires of hardcore gamers... which is really Neat...

For a console thats going to be owned by "everyone". Mostly, those people who would want the Wii AND another Next-gen console at their homes...

What im saying is that so far, unless you're a really casual gamer, or someone who isnt attracted by any expecific Franchises, Having only The Wii, isnt going to get you 100% satisfied compared with what the other 2 Consoles are offering...
Ah I see hardcore gamers only play franchise and popular games right, right. Then they all go around screaming how hardcore they are for beating Halo 2, and GTA:SA. Sure different gamers are going to be attracted to different franchises, but isn't that why so many current gen gamers own more than 1 console? I mean how is owning a Wii and a PS3 different from owning an Xbox and a PS2, or a Gamecube and a PS2, or a Gamecube and an Xbox, or heaven forbid all Three, besides the price difference?

[MetalPsycho]

I have all three of the old-gen concoles allready. I'm a vg whore. <<

So yea, getting Wii and PS3. No extremities for me! :D

Other than that, there's little for me to discuss, since I'm pretty convinced on what's the right thing to do here.

[Bells]

Ok so the Wii isn't going to have the super advanced graphics that the PS3 and 360 have. But I'm a man who plays Oblivion, Quake 4, Doom 3, etc at the Lowest Settings and has a great time. And since the Wii still has a standard controller I see no problem, with lower graphics games being ported, except for you know all that contracting and liscensing stuff.

Problem in question: You talk like the Xbox 360 and PS3 were just about graphics... the wii Itself is proof that this is not true... the Wii-mote has nothing to do with graphics, and makes all the difference... dont you think that the Cell processor, the multi cores, the HD, the Wireless gaming for free, the 40-60-80-100-200Gb of Disc space per game can actually do something more for gaming quality beyond the "Its shiny!" Basis? Sure it can! All the Parts of your PC affects the games you play in it... its not just the Graphic Cards... the same rule apply to PS3, Xbox 360 and even Wii... up to now all we can know about this games is their graphics... but lets not think that this is all there is to it...


Except for you know games that make full use of the gyroscope, motion sensing, etc. Oh sure maybe you could map those commands to a joystick, but that would be a completely different gameplay experience wouldn't it. I'm not talking about a different in resolution on images, but a this game feels completely different from on the Wii. So graphically yeah they could run any game that came out on Wii in high res, but the experience would be completely different.

Just like i said... those games CAN be ported... the analog R3 of the PS3 can Emulate a Gyro use... just not the fun its gives... still dont changes what i said... the games can be ported... but something else is expected... not that...

No doubt about it, all those cool liscensing agreements are going to make me buy a PS3. Because all those mainstream games are the only good ones right? Seriously I'm going to have to buy a 360 and PS3 later because of some franchises, but does that mean they'll be the only good games to buy?

Truth be told, a LOT of good games ARE franchises... a LOT of good games BECOMES franchises... just because its mainstream its not evil... its being sold because it sells, it sells because people Buy... people Buy because its a good game... i really dont belive that people are dumb to buy crappy games over and over again only because of ads... sure, there are a LOT of good game who arent mainstream... nor are franchises... but it dosent change or nullify the fact that there are a lot of Good Franchises and a lot of good mainstream games too... and unless they are equaly divided, SOMEONE has to have the majority of them... and Sony has it! and unless Nintendo starts to make games that are better than those... sony will still have it... that dosent mean the Wii only has crappy games, or that the PS3 is a "Corporative Gaming machine"...

Ah I see hardcore gamers only play franchise and popular games right, right. Then they all go around screaming how hardcore they are for beating Halo 2, and GTA:SA. Sure different gamers are going to be attracted to different franchises, but isn't that why so many current gen gamers own more than 1 console? I mean how is owning a Wii and a PS3 different from owning an Xbox and a PS2, or a Gamecube and a PS2, or a Gamecube and an Xbox, or heaven forbid all Three, besides the price difference?

Hardcore gamers play all types of games... mainstram or not... Halo is a good game... GTA is a good game... but those dont appeal to EVERY gamer... the Wii isnt build to compete Against the PS3 or Xbox, and its not trying to do so! At the same time, the PS3 and Xbox are the next step to what they were a few years ago with the PS2 and Xbox... so Unless that the Wii changes what the majority of gamers want, it is not going to be enough on its own to be the only Console most gamers will have...

I'm still saying... people will want a Wii... and a PS3...

[Mirai Gen]

Hardcore gamers play all types of games... mainstram or not... Halo is a good game... GTA is a good game... but those dont appeal to EVERY gamer... the Wii isnt build to compete Against the PS3 or Xbox, and its not trying to do so! At the same time, the PS3 and Xbox are the next step to what they were a few years ago with the PS2 and Xbox... so Unless that the Wii changes what the majority of gamers want, it is not going to be enough on its own to be the only Console most gamers will have...
What i see on the Wii its a Consoel that gives a Buttload of fun little neat new ideas, and a half-handfull of Nice Games to please the basic desires of hardcore gamers... which is really Neat...

For a console thats going to be owned by "everyone". Mostly, those people who would want the Wii AND another Next-gen console at their homes...

What im saying is that so far, unless you're a really casual gamer, or someone who isnt attracted by any expecific Franchises, Having only The Wii, isnt going to get you 100% satisfied compared with what the other 2 Consoles are offering...
Sorry, but no. I don't agree with that.

You're trying to tell me that the Wii is targeting families, who are going to buy a PS3 as well.

Which, well, I don't think is true, considering how the entire idea behind the Wiimote is the ability for any dummy to pick up a remote and change channels and, thus, have the transition from TV to game be smoother.

And, to be honest, not being 100% satisfied with a single console just isn't going to happen. If you buy a Wii, you're missing out on Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, and the plethora of Sony exclusives, as well as Halo 3, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising, and other such games that are only 360.

So, saying that the Wii isn't going to fill your gaming needs alone is just ridiculous, because no console since the NES worked like that.

So, no, I still don't understand your point, because you're saying that the Wii is going to be original and unique, and that originality and uniqueness is just not worth it, because the tried-and-true games we've all played are the only games worth owning, and they aren't offered to the Wii like they are to the extent of the PS3. And, well, lots of people don't care. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md2GybyIbjg&search=wii%20line)

I'm not saying that the PS3 isn't a worthy investment. I'm also not saying that the Wii is the only way to fly. This is just an exchange of ideas, and I'm arguing my point home. But I'm honestly getting tired of the entire console war scene...I think I've fought for my opinion plenty, and it's pretty obvious that I don't think that the PS3 is a worthy of my money, yet.

EDIT: I'm not actually passionate about defending my Wii. ("It's not small, damn it!") I'm just seeing holes in Bellsouth's logic and I'm not going to let this turn into a brawl between him and Hx.

Anyway. an interesting write up on the PS3. (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3152329) I still think that Sony swiped the idea, since Sony officials all claimed it was tacked on at the last minute.

[Bells]

I Guess you can see my point more on the margin of going against those people that actually compare the consoles... not quite 100% here, but seen pretty much everywhere else...

If you compare them, nobody wins... the wii has a lot of good points and losses in lots of areas, when compared against the PS3 or Xbox

I guess im just tired of all the Sony bashing... comparing the Wii and PS3 its kinda Like comparing a Motorcycle (Being the Wii) and a Car (Being the Ps3)... sure, the car can Go faster, its more expensive, has more room for people and all that... but you cant really compare then, even though they are both major city vehicles... nobody can point out and say "car's are better! Bikes sux!" , that would be stupid... i'm just putting that logic into console comparisson

And mind you, that, just because Nintendo is trying to lure in all the non-gamers and casual gamers into their concept... it dosent mean its going to happen... maybe Nintendo's 1st party games can do the trick, but, if during the first year of the console's life, the 3rd party support dosent kick in nicely, the mess coudl be big...

if i just focus in one single common ground of all new consoles (lets say: Free Wireless Multiplayer) everything is still misty... i dont know if this service is going to work, or even work outside of the US/Japan... for any of them!

So, its nto so much as Bitching about the new consoles... i'm just really tired of all the Sony Bashing and Nintendo prazing... when in fact, right now, anybody can become the "next gen underdog/bitch" ...

[Mirai Gen]

I still fail to see why discussing our irritation with the concept, design, cost, and style of the PS3 counts as Sony bashing, and why being excited for fun stuff on the Wii is nothing but orgasming all over Nintendo.

I think that the PS3 is over priced and does tons of stuff I really don't want. I'm sick of Sony shoving their Blu-ray disc down my throat, and their logic behind it is "Well, we're Sony, so fuck you, buy our console." That annoys me. People agree. Is that so wrong?

Anyway.

Someone else jumped ship on Sony, (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152401) this one heading to Ubisoft.

[MetalPsycho]

I'm finding it hard to see how Sony is shoving their blu-ray disc down your throat. You don't have to buy a PS3, yaknow.

Is the iritation and price too much even for the series it holds to quench? Then don't buy the system! I know you're upset but really, they aren't holding you at gunpoint or anything.

[Mirai Gen]

I'm finding it hard to see how Sony is shoving their blu-ray disc down your throat. You don't have to buy a PS3, yaknow.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that it seems like anytime you ask Sony about what their console does, it's almost entirely "Blu-ray this, blu-ray that, oh yeah and we have some games too."

They've got a copyright on blu-ray technology, and they want to make sure everyone knows it.

Also; I don't plan to buy the system. I'm still irked that I'm going to miss out on so many good games because of it. That's why I'm frustrated.

[[ray.z]]

Never said that we will.

Chances are we would have, but it's obvious to see that Sony really want the Blu-Ray medium to kick off, and so are using the PS3 as a starting point for taking the money out of our pockets.

As for Sony Bashing and Wii praising, Mirai Gen has got it right. And besides, even if some of us have been bit over the top, this thread is meant to be for the discussion of next gen consoles.

[MetalPsycho]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that it seems like anytime you ask Sony about what their console does, it's almost entirely "Blu-ray this, blu-ray that, oh yeah and we have some games too."

They've got a copyright on blu-ray technology, and they want to make sure everyone knows it.

Also; I don't plan to buy the system. I'm still irked that I'm going to miss out on so many good games because of it. That's why I'm frustrated.
Well I'm glad that's straightened out. But still, you should probably find a better way to deal with that frustration. And I'm sure once Twilight Princess comes out, alot of people will find that easy enough.

The Wii has plenty to offer. If you've descided to miss all those other series, then just enjoy the one's you'll still be able to get.

It irks me that people say the PS3 is overpriced when Sony is LOOSING money on the thing, and, as kyro mentioned, they've paid about the same relative amount for older systems in the past. yes, that's because Sony descided they wanted to skip the new generation and head right to the one after that, but that is something we cannot fix. If you've descided to stick with just the Wii or 360, more power to you, but otherwise you're just throwing rocks at Sony's office.

[Mirai Gen]

It irks me that people say the PS3 is overpriced when Sony is LOOSING money on the thing, and, as kyro mentioned, they've paid about the same relative amount for older systems in the past.
As I've said before, this logic doesn't make it any easier to buy the system. This imaginary money that is equal to the price right now won't jump out of 1985 and buy me a console. There is no "Future Cash." It's too expensive right now, and when there are cheaper alternatives, having it really equal money in the past doesn't fix that.

[Dwarfburg citizen]

Would it be possible for companies to port games for other consoles to the Wii's Virtual Console? Like for example Konami making Castlevania: SotN available for download.

Also could Saturn and Dreamcast games be eventually made available?
The genesis and Turbografx16 are only a start! who knows what other things we might see!

Which brings me to one of my main concerns of the Wii, Just how will you store all the data for it?

[Ogianres]

...Just how will you store all the data for it?
The Wii will come with a standard flash drive for game storage and you can also store games on the memory card.

[Bells]

Ok, i'll just leave this here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPn73Z7hC4g&search=PS3

And walk away...

Plus... Nintendo talks about a LOT of downloadable content... but i doubt a Flash card (that up to now dosent come with the main package) will provide the same ease that a Hard drive

[greed]

Would it be possible for companies to port games for other consoles to the Wii's Virtual Console? Like for example Konami making Castlevania: SotN available for download.
Not really a direct emulation of these games would involve use of the consoles BIOS, which is protected. Your example would require the Playstation BIOS, which I doubt Sony would give Nintendo the right to use. Though I think there was a Saturn port, which leads into your other question.

Also could Saturn and Dreamcast games be eventually made available?
The genesis and Turbografx16 are only a start! who knows what other things we might see!
It has built in flash memory which could be used to house updates to the Wii's programming meaning potentially more BIOS' for emulation.
Saturn, Dreamcast, Neo Geo etc

Oh and Bellsouth on storage, it can also use USB mass storage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_mass_storage_device_class) which means it can use external hard drives giving it as much storage as needed, just not built in.

[spazzhands]

You could even have the Wii store memory on your PC's hard drive through WiFi.

Although, it would be difficult to keep secure.

[Frogman]

Take the piss all you want... but lets face it...

WII IS GOD!!!

[Bells]

Take the piss all you want... but lets face it...

WII IS GOD!!!

No it isnt...

Just a friendly advice... dont do that anymore...

welcome to the forums

[Mondt]

No it isnt...

Just a friendly advice... dont do that anymore...

welcome to the forumsI'd like to point you towards his join date. Like fifth says, post count is not forum dick.

[Mesden]

I'd like to point you towards his join date. Like fifth says, post count is not forum dick.

If it is, then I've got a very, very, bad problem...

On topic kind of, well, I'm fairly sure he's able to express that he thinks Wii, is in fact, some kind of awe inspiring console to himself, you know.

[greed]

I think

1.Mesden is right.
2.That wasn't just spam, but funny spam which is generally alright as long as you don't overdo it. Am I the only one who saw the pun?
3. Yes if it is your forum dick, Mes has a real big problem.*snicker*

[[ray.z]]

Well in the spirit of the Wii (and on a lesser account, dick), I present ...

EXCLUSIVE: Wii Know Alot You Don't - Nintendo Wii Specs Fully Uncovered! (http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8802)

Now I don't know whether or not this source is reliable (their main source being 'TheGuy'), but it's just a link my friend emailed me ...

[bananarama]

It is now time for everyone who is hoping for a Golden Sun sequel on the Wii (or DS) to shout out Nooooooo!!!! in unison.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/01/golden-sun-creator-cutting-ties-with-nintendo/

[phil_]

Regarding leaked Wii specs:Fake. This tells you nothing Wikipedia and IGN haven't for the past four months (it's practically a copy & paste job). Not to mention:

1) The external 64 MB of memory is 1T-SRAM, not GDDR3.
2) No mention of the audio processor and Dolby Pro Logic II support.
3) No details on the GPU or CPU architecture.
4) No serious manual would have a line phrased like "The GPU of the Wii is identical to the GC’s but it is on average 1.5X faster."
5) The details on the Wii hardware would encompass a few pages, not a few lines. Go to Wikipedia and look at the specs for the Gamecube. It's about 30 times longer. And this is supposed to be from a dev manual?
6) Not even the site's readers think it's credible.

This "exclusive article" tells us nothing that hasn't already been revealed."TheGuy" has added stuff since this was posted (in response to this and similar posts), but the wrong RAM coupled with stuff that would never be in a devkit manual ("The GPU of the Wii is identical to the GC’s but it is on average 1.5X faster.") leads me to believe, in the parlance of this wonderful land called Intarwebia...

Fake.

And I pray that Nintendo will tell us the hardware in the Wii at Spaceworld (which I know isn't officially announced), if just to stop foolishness like this ("this" being folks leaking specs from their "awesome inside source").

[Mirai Gen]

It is now time for everyone who is hoping for a Golden Sun sequel on the Wii (or DS) to shout out Nooooooo!!!! in unison.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/01/golden-sun-creator-cutting-ties-with-nintendo/
SON OF A BITCH.

Oh, and, Bellsouth - don't be a hater.

[phil_]

Did you read the update, Mirai Gen? I don't want you to feel undue sorrow.Update: Looks like we jumped the gun. Most sources, including Camelot's official website (http://www.camelot.co.jp/), seem to indicate that the studio is merely branching out onto the PC platform with 'I LOVE GOLF!' A Wii RPG should still be in the works.

[bananarama]

Goddamn my haste to post some bad news!
I just noticed the update too. Sorry about that :sweatdrop

[Mirai Gen]

well, shit. I didn't see an update when it was posted, so, yeah. Phew!

[Bells]

SON OF A BITCH.

Oh, and, Bellsouth - don't be a hater.

But im a lover! a l0v3r in fact!
...im also a Jackass... and a asshole... but a lover nonetheless!

aaaaaaaand on topic

Starwars on the PS3, Looks good so far!
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/721/721019p1.html

[Egmont]

I'm still crossing my fingers for the eventual lightsaber duel Wii game.

[greed]

Sadness screens. (http://www.gamespot.com/wii/adventure/sadness/screenindex.html?sid=6154933&tag=gumballs;subtitle;0)

And has everyone seen Heroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28video_game%29) from Grasshoper the makers of Killer7 and how ridiculously stylish it looks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyxA-nzJCU) It's like the pure essence of anime distilled into a video game.
They're also attempting an Earthbound style comedic RPG, Contact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_%28video_game%29), which features giant enemy crabs that have to be hit on their weak point for massive damage. (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/07/25/contact-ds-rumored-to-be-totally-awesome/) This article (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/08/02/contact-boxart-videos-more/) further expands the awesome especially this part.
Things you WON’T find in Contact:
A dull moment. Normalcy. A guy with spikey hair and/or amnesia. Dramatic monologues. The same battles you’ve been fighting since the 16-bit era.

Things you WILL find in Contact:
Monkeys. Cosmic terrorists. Powerful attack stickers. Fishing. Cooking. Humor. Fun with Nintendo WiFi. Deeper Meaning in life.* Costumes that increase your power and make you more fun to be around.

*Results may vary.

Oh and hey we get to decide Tingle's fate. (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/08/02/tingle-needs-your-help/)

And lastly fifth finally got his banhammer over to the 142 post Brawl topic, really sloppy work, or they were thinking of stickying it or something and decided not too. Anyway if you think there's a need for a new thread tell me and I'll start one, or you could start one yourself if you want to break tradition and take away the one thing that distinguishes me from everyone else:p. Or we can let it sit until there's major news.

Edit:And the VA on Heroes isn't finalised I believe, so hopefully it won't suck that much in the real game.

[Mirai Gen]

Wait until there's actual news before making a new SSB:B thread. Makes it smoother.

In related news, I like how Sony is getting so mercilessly pounded for the whole "Crab thing". It makes no sense but it's funny all the same.

Also - 49.99 pricing confirmed on Revolution games. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152598) Ye-ah!

[bananarama]

Hooray! Ubisoft makes Nintendo's third party game troubles all better now!
Ubisoft is making seven launch titles (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/03/ubisoft-reveals-seven-wii-launch-titles-including-far-cry/) for the Wii and maybe a Prince of Persia game (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/03/wii-wii-prince-of-persia-coming-to-wii/) in March 2007(a representative claims it is not confirmed as launch title or coming to North America in March. So who knows?)

Edit: Oh and also OH CRAP! (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/04/microsoft-nintendo-taken-to-court-over-controllers/) This looks familiar.

[ZERO.]

The Ps3s feelings will be hurt.

The number of people buying it is still big....not.

Owned (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2461)

[greed]

Some Sony/Microsoft fanboy has way too much time on their hands. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2462)

Though Ninty wins again. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2463)
And again. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2455)
And again. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2380)

[Mondt]

I've heard some conflicting opinions on how much the Wii will cost. Does anyone feel like clarifying about how much the starting price is supposed to be?

[Mirai Gen]

I think this is the only confirmed word from Nintendo. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6151827.html)

[ZAKtheGeek]

$200-250 is most likely. Most people seem to assume $250.

If it's any less than that, frickin' awesome. If it's more, they're liars.

[Dwarfburg citizen]

Quite the interesting article over at IGN....before it mysteriously dissapeared that is...

Wii date and price revealed? (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/skylineking/wiiignae7.jpg)

or is it....


Sorry bout the picture size

[Mirai Gen]

More developers are (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152683) heading to the Wii. (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3152686)

Also, here's some more speculation on prices and release dates for Wii. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152727)

[greed]

Just something I found funny. (http://www.macspoofs.com/2006/08/10/ps3-vs-wii/) NSFW in the gratuitous focussing on bikini and short shorts, no nudity.

PS3-"People know I mean business by how expensive I am, good things cost good money"
Wii-"I'm cheap, and fun *giggle*"

Oh and in order to balance it out here's a pro-Playstation anti xbox one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgx_tL1WjJY)

I'd post an anti-Wii one but that'd just be stupid, also I don't think there are any, at least I haven't found any.

[Solid Snake]

I'm a fan of the PS3, but I still gotta say, that PS3 VS Wii "commerical" of greed's was just freakin' awesome.

[greed]

Contact. It's manual (http://filexoom.com/files/10740/Contact%20-%20Instruction%20Booklet%20(07-31-2006).pdf). Released to the public. (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/08/18/contacts-livejournal-instruction-manual/) It's done in the style of livejournal, down to the friend requests.
I have no fears about the quality of this game. And really there's little left to say that the bundle of awesome that manual is, doesn't. Games do not get much cooler looking than this already is.


Unless my theory (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=428308&postcount=23) is right, and Brian's working on the dialogue.

[bananarama]

Blarg! Here is 101 FAQ about the Nintendo Wii (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/22/nintendo-wii-101-faq-in-one-convenient-place/). Though it is not an official FAQ and it does leave out some of the questions on the Wii, it is quite accurate and it answers a lot of questions (some obvious and stupid, some you probably didn't even think of)

[Mirai Gen]

A really cool interview with Miyamoto. (http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/view.php?id=1767)

Is he full of himself? Probably. Is he actually "right" when he says that the world wasn't changing the way it needed to? Probably not.

But you gotta hand it to the guy - he's probably one of the most patient people in the world, and right now, with hundreds of millions of people lining up for a Revolution of their own, the smug motherfucker's thinking, "Oh yeah, look who was right!"

I also like this (http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/view.php?id=1762). It highlights the fact that it's a guy's market, but at the same time says, "However developers were fucking stupid when they made Barbie and My Little Pony games."

[ZAKtheGeek]

He's obviously full of himself. "Nintendo has always seriously and steadily done the right thing?"

What he talks about there is the Nintendo philosophy, which I happen to agree with. Especially when it comes to new consoles; if you're not really adding anything new, then releasing new consoles is just a money-gouging effort.

[greed]

The game I've been salivating over like an insane fanboy has a new site. (http://www.atlus.com/contact/)

Not really next gen or consoley but seeing as this isn't big enough for a new thread

Penny Arcade's got game. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/25/first-art-of-new-penny-arcade-game-on-the-rain-slick-precipice/)

Is it the fleshreaper?

Maybe there should be a general computer gaming thread or whatnot for this kind of stuff.

Oh and Yoshi's Island 2 screens. (http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=1190)

[BitVyper]

I'll be buying a Wii for sure. I MIGHT buy a PS3 when the price goes down. Depends what it has for games by that point, and how much the price goes down.

So far, I don't really see any justification for the PS3's price tag beyond technology that I don't really care about, and probably won't even be fully utilized in the period of time that the price is that high anyway. I guess we'll see what games they end up with.

The only system I'm really not too fond of is XBox.

[Buddha Fett]

I'm getting a Wii on launch day, as long as my local EB's stock holds out.

I'll pick up some upgrades for my PC in a few months, so I won't really miss a 360. And the PS3 is too much for my extremely limited income.

[ZAKtheGeek]

I still have to see if the Wii's innovation works out or if just becomes a crappy gimmick. I have hope, but I'm no fanboy (at least, I try not to be), so I'm not going to take that risk prematurely. I gambled with the DS and that worked out great, but still...

As for the Xbox 360 and PS3, I have little interest in them. My reasoning is simple: I have a computer that works fine for me; hence I have to use for those expensive products.

[[ray.z]]

Well I'd rather post this in a new thread but ...

http://wii.ign.com/articles/730/730221p1.html

*drools*

[Supreme Edgemaster]

I'd personally want to get a wii. My brother wants to get a 360 mostly because it's out now and it won't have "games that only babies and 8 year olds play". Note that is what my brother said, not me. I think I'm gonna suggest that we both get our own systems. That way he can have a game system at his dorm room at UBC and I get a system at home that I can play new games as well as all my gamecube library of games on. Now if I could only work on getting a DS Lite....

[Salookanana]

Rundown time:

Xbox 360: has a few good games out and more to come. It also is nabbing Sony's exclusives one by one. And Dead Rising. Yay, zombie murdering!

Wii: Revolutionary. Seriously, the games look fun and original and I just hope I'll have enough room to play them in my tiny dorm. The fact that it will have tons of classic games and the standard Nintendo games make it worth while. I just hope that the games live up to the potential.

Sony: $600? Delays? Barely any units? Lack of interesting launch titles? Ripping off Nintendo and Microsoft? Pass.

[Mirai Gen]

Sega's lineup so far for the Wii. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153551)

Can anyone say "Hell yeah!"?

[Dwarfburg citizen]

Is that Toe Jam and Earl I see on that list?? Fuck Yes

Also I present to you.... The Steering Wiil....

Apparently it comes bundled with GT Pro.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Only the original Sonic?

That list is lacking! Lacking, I say!

[Dwarfburg citizen]

Only the original Sonic?

That list is lacking! Lacking, I say!

Frankly Sega should not bother with putting up the old sonic games on VC. You can just spend around 15 dollars on sonic mega collection for gamecube and get all of the old school sonic games at once. They should be putting in a variety of classics like you know... Streets of Rage??;)

[Mirai Gen]

Frankly Sega should not bother with putting up the old sonic games on VC. You can just spend around 15 dollars on sonic mega collection for gamecube and get all of the old school sonic games at once. They should be putting in a variety of classics like you know... Streets of Rage??;)
They'll probably update the list.

Keep in mind it's a "Release list", meaning just the games that come out when the Wii does. I'm praying to fucking god that they put Streets of Rage 1-3 on there.

They had fucking better.

EDIT: Final release date and price on Wii. Sick! (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153622&did=1)

[Regulus Tera]

Mirai, it is official. IGN: (http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732707p1.html)

Wii goes on sale November 19. "The worldwide debut of the Wii system happens right here in the Americas -- the same place where we debuted Nintendo DS. On November 19, it will be available at more than 25,000 points of distribution across the Americas. And with a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $249.99. One price. One configuration. One color." Which is, for the record, white.

Fucking bastards. They said it was going to be less than 250... but only by one cent. Augh! Thanksgiving is still to far away.

Also, more importantly:

"If you were to play Zelda all day to day for six hours, you'd only be scratching the surface..."

Edit to post below: I know I said before that I didn't believe in any sort of omnipotent deity able of messing around with our lives.

*Bows down to TWG*

I feel converted, my master.

[The Wandering God]

Hey, Neko, I think this might be of relevant interest to you.

Matsuno (FFT, Vagrant Story, and FFXII) developing for Wii. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153639)

The Wandering God

[Regulus Tera]

Not really related to the Wii, but since all the kids are doing it... (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6158144.html)

10:55: Downloadable 16-bit games? MegaDrive (Genesis) and PC Engine (TurboGrafx)? Where have we heard that before? Kutaragi also talks about the possibility of paying 100 yen (about $1) for a small or time-limited game demo.

Off-Topic: At least we still have MG-What the fuck? Young Snake? (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/news.html?sid=6158113)

[01d55]

Kutaragi references the impending launches of both the PS3 and Wii as marking the start of the next generation of gaming and welcomes us to try the large lineup of games that are playable on the TGS show floor as of right now.

So xbox 360 is a generation behind now, Mr. Kutaragi? I wonder why both Sony and Microsoft take digs at the other while buddying up to the big N?

- - - - - - -

Also, am I the only one who gets an Mac/iPod vibe off the way Wii and the Wiimote look?

[ZAKtheGeek]

No, most people seem to think that.

Also DS Lite.

[Denivire]

Um, ya.... the 360 I would consider part of that "next generation" with the Wii and PS3.
So far, the only intersting games I found on the PS3 was Assasin's Creed, and the Price on the Wii is far from bad. Think of it, the 360 is over 360 bucks, and the PS3 I read was gonna be around 600 bucks O.o. Compaired to that, 249.99 is a very reasonable price for a console. Sure lost some DVD functions, but it's worth it! WORTH IT!!!

[Dwarfburg citizen]

Thats it Im bringing in some much needed Xbox 360 representation to this thread!

Firts off!

1. Ms announces 1080p upgrade through a patch this fall. Can they even do that through a patch? Either way...Sony can suck it!

2. JRPGS!!! Mystwalker and Namco have revealed some very promising RPG titles!

From the makers of Tales of Symphonia we have....
Trusty Bell! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1IrTdLIQHk)

This game is gorgeous! Very neat cel-shading effects. Battle looks promising as well.

Here we have two entrys from Mystwalker, the studio that Final Fantasy's creator started:

Lost Odyssey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMSL_bM3N7I)
Great graphics, very nice seamless battle transition... but that combat is sooo 20 years ago...needs some improving.

and...

Blue Dragon trailer #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRKKnD8qwDo)

Blue Dragon trailer #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecxlsS7zMUo&mode=related&search=)

Im getting a huge Chrono Trigger vibe from this one. Looks great and battle seems like a lot of fun. These graphics from what Ive heard are all real time. Out of both trailers you should really check out the second one.

Sega seems to be making Armored Core 4 for 360 and PS3. Seems like Chromehounds opened up a few things for em.

On XBLA, Super Contra and Contra, Metal Slug all with online Co-op!

Im not gonna bother mentioning the big guns like Halo 3 or Gears of War now because I couldnt care less about them right now.

Ill be back some other day with more news!

Edit!: Dear god how could I forget Bioshock!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTWu6xZHAg8)
This game is downright creepy!

[BitVyper]

Off-Topic: At least we still have MG-What the fuck? Young Snake?

I'm betting that somehow, some way, it's Liquid. I guess it could be some other clone though. Maybe even a true iteration of Big Boss.

[Regulus Tera]

I wonder if fifth is considering buying Blue Dragon. Then again, he has fallen off from the grasp of CT, so...

I'm betting that somehow, some way, it's Liquid. I guess it could be some other clone though. Maybe even a true iteration of Big Boss.

Meh, he looks so much more like Otacon anyway.

[greed]

Well I am at least now that I've got a 360 by proxy. Rich-arse miner cousin living in the guestroom bought it on a fucking whim.

Anyway sadly the PS3 now has a killer app of sorts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB9YeFLAwUo), look at about the 2:50 mark where the hero sneaks up behind the soldier and pins his arms behind his back so his allies can beat the shit out of the defenseless soldier. That's just cool.
So now I need about $2000 for gaming by next year with the Wii coming. Anyone want a kidney?

Oh and Dwarfburg, that Metal Slug 360 thing is a little overshadowed by the awesomeness of the Anthology. Now with all 7 true MS' ever made. and seeing as the Wii is online capable, I doubt they'd leave the multiplayer out.

Edit: Meh, he looks so much more like Otacon anyway.

I think this question may answer that.
"Do you think love can blossom, even on the football field?" (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=202)

[Dwarfburg citizen]

Oh yea... forgot about the Metal Slug Anthology. The holy grail of SNK goodness on one disc! Speaking of SNK, They say that the next KoF will be using new sprites! Looks like Guilty Gear will be getting competition....


Edit!!!

Few things:

1. Microsoft unveils a new Halo RTS at X0 in Barcelona titled Halo Wars for the 360. Source (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/735/735710p1.html)

2. Banjo-Kazooie returns! source (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/735/735728p1.html)

3.Next Gen Sonic demo on Xbox live marketplace! Source (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/735/735676p1.html)

4. And most importantly: Official Wii Box Art revealed!! (http://wii.ign.com/articles/735/735577p1.html)

[[ray.z]]

*salvitates at mouth*

They are all mad looking covers, but the TP one above is tthe best yet.

Anywho, don't get too excited about Banjo-Kazooie - Rare has been going downhill for a while now.

And I myself can't wait for Metal Slug Anthology >.<

[phil_]

Rise from your sticky grave!

True believers may by now be familiar with Wii's channel system (if not, educate yourself (http://www.wii.com/en_US/)). In particular, the Mii channel looks to be the biggest time-waster of the bunch, allowing you to make a silly, Nintendo-esque caracature of yourself to use in games like Wii Sports and Wario Ware.

Yann, one of our amazing readers and the designer of the equally incredible orange Joystiq tee, just sent us over his latest creation: A Mii channel implemented in Flash. How accurate is it? Yann says, "The Mii parts are drawn from videos and stills of the working Mii channel and, apart from the second page of eyebrows which is still missing (couldn't find any picture or video of it), everything is true to the real thing."

So, let's make some Miis (http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/10/mii.swf), and perhaps calm the pre-launch shakes.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7738/philmiiod6.png

[wazn]

Psh I say. I'm waiting till Sega comes out with their next console. BELIEVE!

[greed]

I was just browsing through wikipedia and found this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigun:_The_Planet_Gunsmoke).
This could either be really awesome, really bad or really really nonexistant. Probably the latter two.

[Demetrius]

I'd just like to say that I am the proud owner of a Wii reservation ticket!! I was the 9th person in line!! Now I know what it is to be a Father...??

[Denivire]

I was just browsing through wikipedia and found this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigun:_The_Planet_Gunsmoke).
This could either be really awesome, really bad or really really nonexistant. Probably the latter two.

The mention of the word MMORPG makes me want a 360 more, being that guy who goes to LAN parties for the free food and pop with an out-dated laptop that can barely run anything. At least my connection is decent, although I would prefer a faster one.
Since I don't think I flared yet about which is better, Wii or PS3, I'd go Wii. Sony has some sort of devil hellspawn as CEO, and I'm not going to be tempted by the looks of the PS3's niceness.
Also, don't care if "niceness" being a word or not, you know what I mean.

[Vincent-]

go wii!:yarr:

[Fifthfiend]

go wii!:yarr:

Getting a little spammy there. Mind that sort of thing, please.

EDIT: Also, unsticking this thread. It was probably necessary a few months back when opinions were rushing in to fill the void of any actual news or information about either new console, but at this point I'd say there's enough to actually talk about to warrant people doing their own threads on it.

There's already a handful of threads concerning this or that about the PS3 or the Wii or whatever, so this is really just superfluous at this point anyway.

If the conversation gets too stupid or overzealous than the subject can be re-sequestered.