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The Wandering God

05-30-2006, 09:04 AM

Yar, this be spoiler territory. If ye be brave enough, and strong of heart, than journey onwards in search of hidden treasures, argggghhhh.

Clicky (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23448)

So it seems that Topher Grace will be playing the other major villian in the movie (besides Thomas Hayden Church as Sandman).

Topher Grace is Eddie Brock aka Venom. The only question is if he actually is going to become Venom, or they are just setting things up for 4. (As Tobey is contracted for another after 3 I believe, after that, I'm not sure.)

I'm quite jazzed about this, as Venom happens to be my favorite Spidey villain. Cruel, ruthless, and totally outclassing Spider-Man in a lot of ways, it seems they are going for less of the "strong badass" and more of an evil counterpart to Tobey with Topher.

And while it seems that Parker's suit is going to be the same, except black, I'm highly suspecting that Venom's will be different.

Man, if I have to wait til 4 for a full on showdown, I'll be pulling my hair out. Conversely, I'm worried how Sam will fit in Sandman, Venom, and Green Goblin via Harry Osbourne as well as juggling what appears to be another complication in the form of Gwen Stacy.

Not much else to say, but just thought I'd get the word out to those who have a high interest.

The Wandering God

CallmePrismatic

05-30-2006, 09:54 AM

I'd heard the Topher Grace-Venom thing before but thanks for the photo evidence.

If I had to guess, I'd wager that Venom'll be the main villain in Spiderman 4. Right now they have to deal with Gwen Stacy, Sandman, Green Goblin redux, and Spidey with the symbiote costume. Tossing Venom in there would just muck things up ala X-Men 3, with way too many sub and main plots swirling together. I hope they play it safe and just have Topher find the symbiote in church or whatever, then do the DUN DUN DUN fade out.

Meister

05-30-2006, 10:41 AM

Thus causing much groaning because they used a generic "setup for the sequel" ending. They'll probably do it after the credits, too.

See, I'm only interested in the Venom special effects, myself. Make me a short clip of those once the movie's out and I'm a happy guy.

Mirai Gen

05-30-2006, 01:17 PM

I'm not too worried about the blatant sequel material. Too much to fit into one movie, I knew they were going to when they first announced three villans in Spiderman 3.

gurusloth

05-30-2006, 01:28 PM

This poster has been floating around the internet for a few weeks now. Not sure if it's real or just photoshoppery, but still, pretty cool looking.

Fifthfiend

05-30-2006, 09:00 PM

Thus causing much groaning because they used a generic "setup for the sequel" ending.

It worked for Back to the Future.

Of course Marty wasn't a huge blubber-faced crybaby.

Oh lord I feel the 'go see it, it's fuckin Spider-Man, shit it's fuckin' Venom!' twitch acting up, but I'm just gonna go see it and be pissed off the whole time at Peter-Parkerman getting his mask taken off and being a crybaby.

ElfLad

05-30-2006, 09:41 PM

Well, Harry's discovery of Green Goblin in Spiderman 2 was also a "setup for the sequel" thing, but I didn't mind.

I really hope that they don't go down the whole "misguided" route with the villains again. Norman Osborn was an unscrupulous businessman before becoming GG, and Otto Octavius wasn't all nice either, unlike the movies. I like Doc Ock and GG in the comics because they're not nice people. That's what makes them great villains. Now Eddie Brock and Harry I could understand, because in the comics they were intended as unfortunate victims of circumstance, not monsters of their own making, but if they make Sandman one of Peter's close personal friends who is tragically turned to villainry because of, I don't know, evil sand, I will bust some heads.

P-Sleazy

05-30-2006, 09:53 PM

so, how do you reckon they'll make sandman evil?

ElfLad

05-30-2006, 11:45 PM

I personally hope they go with the two-bit thug who gets super-powers. If they do that, they can clear up some room for some Eddie Brock backstory.

And if they get rid of Peter Parker melodrama, they could fit some Venom himself in there.

Bobbey

05-31-2006, 09:57 AM

CallmePrismatic

05-31-2006, 10:52 AM

I think I'm gonna have a hard time believing that Topher Grace plays a bad guy in a movie, since pretty much all of the characters he played were all ''cutsey'' characters...I mean, this is like Eric Foreman from that 70's show: a scared little man, becoming one of the biggest villains of all time. It just does'nt add up...
Before Pulp Fiction, John Travolta was known for being the go-to guy for crappy 70's musicals. I think it's one of those things that actors try to work on, not being known for one character or stereotype.

After "In Good Company" I'm not afraid to admit that I enjoy a Topher Grace performance. And at least he looks like an actual newspaper photographer instead of some guy who's biding his time between Mr. Universe performances.

Sithdarth

05-31-2006, 11:01 AM

Let us not forget the lessons of Sin City and how a Hobbit can suddenly become badass. Not to mention how creapy, and deadly, a little guy with the right motivation can be. I say give him a chance to prove just how much of an acting range he has.

Mirai Gen

05-31-2006, 12:33 PM

Oh lord I feel the 'go see it, it's fuckin Spider-Man, shit it's fuckin' Venom!' twitch acting up, but I'm just gonna go see it and be pissed off the whole time at Peter-Parkerman getting his mask taken off and being a crybaby.
Stand back, lady, Peter Parkerman's here! I mean, Spiderman! Shit, what'd I say? (http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=416)
Let us not forget the lessons of Sin City and how a Hobbit can suddenly become badass.
I'm with him. Movies can do this.
http://www.comicgenius.com/DiscoFever/disco_profiles/saturday_night_fever/images/tony_and_stephanie.jpg
http://www.e835.to.infn.it/people/fbertini/pulp.gif
I mean, I dunno about you guys. But I think that's a pretty big change.

Leon_88

05-31-2006, 02:09 PM

Man I fell behind on my Spiderman lore, who was the sandman again?

Althane

05-31-2006, 02:56 PM

Criminal who escaped onto a beach which happened to have an atomic testing thing going on. Atomic goes boom, he gets fused with sand, and now he's a bunch of living sand.

Which means that water kills him, and he's pretty stupid.

TheBlindMime

05-31-2006, 03:23 PM

While I love the idea of venom being next, I believe its just a setup for the fourth movie as I'm also a fan of the spoilers IMDB always lets out.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

Turns out Lowell from wings will be making an appearance as one of the more under-appreciated villains of the series. The sandman. And water doesn't kill the sandman, it only slows him down! Besides in all the more recent comics they've made sandman way more powerful so he's a lot like Gaara of the desert but he's his own sand. Convenient.

And now the other villain noted would be Dr. Conners, who was listed as both conners and the lizard. So you have a twofer on the villains for the next movie plus the setup of venom for a great fourth movie. I'm happy with the results.

Aerozord

05-31-2006, 08:40 PM

now I am no expert on the sandman but, was there a way to stop him? The guy was pretty close to invincible if I recall.

They already went though one of my favorite villians in the second one. Sucks I have to wait for my all time favorite, Venom. Now lets cross our fingers for Carnage in the fifth.

IHateMakingNames

05-31-2006, 08:48 PM

Mime, you link to the IMDB credits list, and don't point out the May Parker/Carnage role?

ElfLad

05-31-2006, 08:55 PM

Come on, IMDB has about as much credibility as Jack Thomson.

Remember back when 50 Cent was going to be the voice for Epona?

Leon_88

05-31-2006, 08:57 PM

I think Carnage and Venom should be in the same movie, just my opinion.

Mirai Gen

06-01-2006, 02:12 AM

I think Carnage and Venom should be in the same movie, just my opinion.
Couldn't happen. There'd be too much explanation behind Venom and the symbiote as it is, and explaining the separate entity that is Carnage, even excluding Cassidy (is that the right name?), would be impossible. Or at least weak.

TheBlindMime

06-01-2006, 02:36 AM

Mime, you link to the IMDB credits list, and don't point out the May Parker/Carnage role?
No I don't because it would put an unfathomable number of holes into my theory.

I'm still right, though.

Nique

06-01-2006, 03:25 AM

All of the spider-man movies have been shaky so far. They've teetered very close to being not good... I'm anxiously awaiting number 3 in hopes of something a little better.

Sky Warrior Bob

06-01-2006, 05:24 AM

Couldn't happen. There'd be too much explanation behind Venom and the symbiote as it is, and explaining the separate entity that is Carnage, even excluding Cassidy (is that the right name?), would be impossible. Or at least weak.

Of course, considering how this movie is using at least two baddies, the plot might end up being weak to begin with. The only way I can find out of this, is if they start the movie with a boss battle & don't bother giving him a backstory. Just ass kickery at its finest. Then work out a plot from that point.

SWB

mauve

06-01-2006, 01:28 PM

Despite the fact that we've got two villains that look somewhat promising, I don't know if I'll go see Spider Man 3 in theatres.

I wasn't overly pleased with Spider Man 2. Peter Parker's "happy to fight crime and fly around like a freak" attitude was what made him so enjoyable to watch in the original movie. Then in 2, he suddenly pulled a Batman and went all moody. "Oh, being the hero is such a burden!" So many superhero movies/comics pull that stunt. It gets really, really old. That's why I liked the original Spider Man; it was finally a superhero who ENJOYS his job.

Plus, now half of New York knows his secret identity; every five seconds he was pulling his mask off in front of a loaded subway car or something. Way to keep a low profile, Mr. Parker.

So unless this latest movie brings back Happy Spider Man and comes up with a decent plot, I doubt I'll bother going to see it.

Maybe I'll rent it when it comes out on video.

Of course, that's what I said about "Van Helsing" when I saw the trailers, and I went to see it in theatres anyway.

Toastburner B

06-01-2006, 02:07 PM

You mean there were other people who didn't think Spider-man 2 was the best superhero movie ever?

I'm no longer alone in the world! :whee:

Of course, I might of not liked 2 because of the conditions I saw it under. My best friend was suppose to take a date to it...but the date dumped him when he went to pick her up. He still wanted to see it, and had an extra ticket, he took me along. Insert the mass amounts of drama between Peter and Mary Jane...not the best "I just got dumped" movie. :shifty:

Meister

06-01-2006, 02:37 PM

You mean there were other people who didn't think Spider-man 2 was the best superhero movie ever?

I'm no longer alone in the world! :whee:
I've been saying that for years. I didn't see it under ideal conditions either (loud jackasses in the theater), but they were ideal enough to pass judgement. I actually made the decision to in the next movie only watch the Venom parts, should they ever come, after Spider-Man 2.

Mirai Gen

06-01-2006, 02:44 PM

People didn't like Spider-Man 2?

Wow.

I thought it actually was the best superhero movie ever. Right up there with the first Superman movie.

Toastburner B

06-01-2006, 03:09 PM

People didn't like Spider-Man 2?

Wow.

I thought it actually was the best superhero movie ever. Right up there with the first Superman movie.

That was the general feeling from everywhere I looked for the most part back when it came out. That's why I was surprised to see quite a few people say they didnt' love it.

Nikose Tyris

06-01-2006, 03:13 PM

...My little sister... adored both spiderman 2...

...You make 8 year old little girls cry by insulting it! Spiderman is her #2 favourite hero! Next to Riddick, of course.

...Yes, I take my sister into R rated films. shut up. She likes them.

Seriously, though, From what I've seen, If you are a new fan, and you want to see a good superhero movie, You have to admit, there isn't much better than the spiderman movies; I'm fairly picky, and Although Xmen 3 made me laugh... My sister thought it was pretty lame, having seen the first two. so, on her opinion, she says she'll, "Hold her breath on Superman, and go see Spidey 3."

The Wandering God

06-01-2006, 07:02 PM

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope

06-01-2006, 07:59 PM

I found Spiderman 3 so...hackneyed and lame. Where was the witty banter that made Spidey popular. None. He was a little red and blue spandex wearing emo hero.

I will see Spiderman 3, but I don;t know if I will like it.

Fifthfiend

06-01-2006, 10:07 PM

Ya know, I kind of have an objection to the whole, "his mask kept coming off, OMGWTFHAX!"

Let's count the times, shall we?

1. The L train: The only reason he took it off was because he couldn't see through it. Which, ya know, is actually kind of realistic. Well, as realistic as you can be while on the front of something moving incredibly fast while trying to figure out a way to stop it.

2. Harry pulls it off: No control over it. And this had been set up even from the last film, with Harry wanting revenge. And instead of freaking out, he actually says, "This is bigger than you and me." Kind of mature for someone who just let his face be revealed to someone he KNOWS hates him. Also, has a precedent from the comics, where the Goblins knew his identity as well.

3. Doc Ock reveal: A very dangerous situation where he needed his help to destroy the mini-sun. He needed to utilize the personal connection that he had established with Dr. Octavius, as he couldn't do it alone.

4. Mary Jane: Actually, it's been a while, so I'm not sure if it ties into the last one or not. This is a purely emotional move however. But it's not like she didn't already suspect already.

That's fine and all, if that weren't more times than that happened in the first thirty years of Spider-Man comic books and like three different cartoon series. I mean it's sort of a big thing with the character, you know, with his whole thing that he keeps his identity a secret to protect the people he loves? Hey here's a hypothetical, remember what happened, and this is just movie Spider-Man we're talking about, the first time a raving psychopath with whom Peter Parker shared a personal connection found out Spider-Man's identity? Oh that's right, threw his girlfriend off a Goddamn bridge! Hey here's a great idea, why doesn't Spider-Man reveal his identity to another raving psychotic with whom Peter Parker shares a personal connection, no really, I mean cause that's worked out so well for him, and all.

I mean yeah it's "realistic" if by "realistic" you mean "I want to watch movies about a guy who can't go two seconds without fucking up at his job." I want to watch movies about a super-hero. And for a super-hero, 'realistic' is he manages to not repeatedly fuck up at keeping his secret identity, on account of the aforementioned thing he's supposed to have about not endangering the lives of the people he's supposed to be protecting.

Of course to be honest, Aunt May was kind of a heinous bitch in SMII, so I can see maybe not caring so much about protecting her, really.

Premmy

06-02-2006, 12:15 AM

I have this feeling they're gonna deus Ex Machina venom. Eddie brokcs just gonna be walking down the street, when a meteor lands carrying the symbiote. That's if they try to squeeze him into three. I hope they do venom looking like venom. If they just have Eddie Brock with symbiote powers and no costume, or if they fuck the costume up royally, I'll be pissed, so far they've gotten Doc-Ock and Spidey right, but venom's costume is special to me.

Nique

06-02-2006, 03:40 AM

Have to agree with fifthfiend. Well said.

Also, as might've been mentioned, Spider-Man needs more of 'teh funnier'. In the comics, his jokes are far more plentiful and actually funny. Even If they are pathetic one liners, they are written into the context ironically. It's witty... or at least more witty than the movies have been. We need to see Parker's weaker moments, yes. But what makes him great as Spider-Man, and NOT Peter Parker, for they are different, is Spider-Man's humour and confidence vs. (young) Peter's shyness and uncomfortableness.

The humour, while present, should be highlighted more, and come from Spider-Man a bit more, IMO.

The Wandering God

06-02-2006, 05:00 AM

That's fine and all, if that weren't more times than that happened in the first thirty years of Spider-Man comic books and like three different cartoon series. I mean it's sort of a big thing with the character, you know, with his whole thing that he keeps his identity a secret to protect the people he loves? Hey here's a hypothetical, remember what happened, and this is just movie Spider-Man we're talking about, the first time a raving psychopath with whom Peter Parker shared a personal connection found out Spider-Man's identity? Oh that's right, threw his girlfriend off a Goddamn bridge! Hey here's a great idea, why doesn't Spider-Man reveal his identity to another raving psychotic with whom Peter Parker shares a personal connection, no really, I mean cause that's worked out so well for him, and all.

I mean yeah it's "realistic" if by "realistic" you mean "I want to watch movies about a guy who can't go two seconds without fucking up at his job." I want to watch movies about a super-hero. And for a super-hero, 'realistic' is he manages to not repeatedly fuck up at keeping his secret identity, on account of the aforementioned thing he's supposed to have about not endangering the lives of the people he's supposed to be protecting.

Of course to be honest, Aunt May was kind of a heinous bitch in SMII, so I can see maybe not caring so much about protecting her, really.
You are forgetting one thing. This is a movie. Yes, I'm quite aware of the fact that it is part of Spiderman's mythos is his protection of his identity. (Up to and including wearing a Fantastic Four outfit with a paper bag.)

But there are justifible reasons why they happened in the movie. Just because it doesn't happen the comics, doesn't mean it would never happen. Twice of the four mentioned ones were involuntary (goggles blinding, and Harry's removal), so it's hardly like Spiderman himself was doing it. And the other two were intrinsic to the story. Peter Parker is Spiderman. And Spiderman is Peter Parker. His superhero life and his 'private' life constantly influence each other. And part of that means that he now has connections to the villains. Green Goblin knew his name as well. While you are free to disagree with it, but it did set a precedent.

In short, they were all highly important story events, and not treated with any level of triviality. The scenes were treated with respect and the proper revernt mood.

As to the humor value, that really is more or less dependent on how you look at things. Spiderman in the comics is rarely in great danger from the villains. More often then not, he appears in the situation and uses them to taunt his foes.

In the movies, the opponents are treated as more dangerous, and encounters are never routine.

I really liked the cartoon series in the 90's as I felt it struck the right balances between story, combat, and humor. It's pretty easy for me to see some of the influences used. Especially since it looks like they are setting up Venom the same way as brought back to Earth by an astronaut (J.J. Jameson's son).

In the cartoon, he is much more analytical and thinks about his moves, with the occasional joke thrown in.

In the movies, they took out him thinking about the situation, as thinking via voice in movies isn't really used effectively most of the time. But even then, Peter Parker/Spiderman narrates the opening and closing.

I really do think it's also because he tends to face more thugs in the comic books, as they are way out Spiderman's league. He jokes around with them a lot more than the super villains. At least, I think so. You may of course see it otherwise.

The Wandering God

Sky Warrior Bob

06-03-2006, 05:29 AM

You mean there were other people who didn't think Spider-man 2 was the best superhero movie ever?

I'm no longer alone in the world! :whee:

Hey, you can count me as well among the less-than-thrilled Spider-Man croud. Personally, what bothered me the most about Spidey 2 is the fact that they pumped up the drama that was in Spidey 1 & made it even more painful.

I mean, I could handle the drama in Spidey 1. Sometimes it was even good, but occasionally it got into the too angsty realm. I mean, I don't mind drama, but when it gets overbearing it isn't my cup of tea.

And apparently, I'm the only one (or at least only one who will admit it) to watch Spidey 2 under ideal conditions. I had the day off, the weather was great, it was an ideal showing, & had some fun in the shopping areas around the movie theater before the showing.

Of course, my favorite comic movie that I've seen so far was Hellboy, so depending on your opinion of that film, your view of my opinion might be somewhat tainted.

SWB

Mirai Gen

06-03-2006, 03:26 PM

Of course, my favorite comic movie that I've seen so far was Hellboy, so depending on your opinion of that film, your view of my opinion might be somewhat tainted.

SWB
Well, hell, I still think that X Men 3 was great (could have been better, but was great), so I guess it's the 'cup of tea' thing.

Bells

06-03-2006, 07:45 PM

i just heard that in the movie we will see 4 Villains, anyoen can confirm this??

They are carmming what? 7 Storylines into one movie? I Fear for Spidey...

Burkion

06-04-2006, 12:12 AM

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Main thing I hated about Spider Man? The fact taht now, at any given moment, some bum who had happend to be sleeping on the train, could go up to Peter when he's next to JJ, and scream out "HEY SPIDERMAN!"

gurusloth

06-04-2006, 02:08 AM

I just heard that in the movie we will see four villains, can anyone confirm this??So far the ones I've heard about are: Venom, Green Goblin (Harry Osborn version), Sandman, and the Lizard. I've also heard rumors of J.J.Jameson's son coming back from space as the Wolfman or something, not really sure on that one. Of these, I doubt they will try to work the full story for each villian into the movie. Rather, they may set up the villians for Spiderman 4 in this movie, while focusing on only one or two villians in this movie.

Nique

06-04-2006, 04:19 AM

If one or two villains were just cameo's, I'd be cool with that. I'd like to see him routinely knocking out sandman or something.

Bells

06-04-2006, 02:53 PM

i Still See the Shocker or Kaine as a probability... as the mercenary Type is easier to explain and fit into the movie...

Burkion

06-04-2006, 02:55 PM

Why does everyone think that Harry will be a villian? He wasn't always one in the comics, and might I remind you, there was a GOOD Green Goblin as well.

Nique

06-04-2006, 05:37 PM

The osbourn's are classic Green Goblins. And what GOOD one are you talking about?

Sky Warrior Bob

06-04-2006, 05:44 PM

The osbourn's are classic Green Goblins. And what GOOD one are you talking about?

The good GG was a fairly recent addition, in the last 10 years or so. Anyway, he's just a guy who found one of Osbourn's old safehouses & got exposed to the gas, or maybe a new variety of said gas.

Anyway, he got the powers minus that pesky insanity, and had a short run comic series. Ended up losing his powers at the end of it, and I think he appears in the Spider-Girl comics as a older guy.

SWB

Burkion

06-04-2006, 08:30 PM

The Wandering God

06-05-2006, 12:46 AM

Seriously though, people, Sam has even said that Harry may not become the next Green Goblin, because, if you look at his face at the end of movie Two, it's not "YES! I have a way to destroy Spider Man!" It's more so..."Oh God...THIS is my fathers legacy?"
I hadn't heard that actually. That will probably piss off some fans though. (But if they will be more or less upset than when he got MJ as a girlfriend first, I can't say.)

I was planning on rewatching them soon actually. Thanks for the tip, as I'll be sure to pay special attention to that scene.

The Wandering God

Burkion

06-05-2006, 01:31 AM

Sam said, (Forget where, though I could do some digging) that Harry was smart enough to relise that his father's legacy was nothing good. Or something along those lines. I'll have to find that damned quote...

Mondt

06-05-2006, 01:49 AM

My Spider-man review: 3/5. Totally neutral. Didn't like it, didn't dislike it. I dunno, There's much better and much worse, is probably what I'm getting at. It might be good for Superhero movies... Batman Begins, IMHO, was better. But hey, what do I know?

Nique

06-05-2006, 02:22 AM

I'm all for the comic=! movie line of though, as long as they don't stray too far from the source material. SO! Yes, Harry Osbourne doesn't HAVE to be another Green Goblin. And it was OK (but not really great) that MJ was Peter's girlfriend before Gwen.

Hectonkhyres

06-05-2006, 05:58 PM

Could be worse. They could be making a Great Lakes Avengers movie.
I just hope they give adequate time to any villain they are going to let into the movie.

MFD

06-21-2006, 06:38 PM

I'm not so sure about Harry not becoming a Greeny. I mean, yeah, he doesn't have to. Raimi probably made it that way so he could drop the plotline should there be too much crap in Spider-man 3.

But he was wearing a green tie at MJ's wedding! A GREEN MOTHERF*CKING TIE.

I see the villains being Sandman and Hobgoblin (Harry, if only to help movie fans by not confusing them with two Green Goblins...). Spidey has his black suit, gets rid of it by the end. Connors gets an expanded role.

Spidey 4 deals with a lookalike Spidey being a villain (Venom), and Doc Connors.