So. Very. Wrong.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Article (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-919fastfoodfare,0,766194.story?coll=sfla-news-health&track=mostemailedlink)
Quoted from article
Surely every American old enough to place his own Happy Meal order knows there's an obesity epidemic in this country. Despite this -- and despite piles of research on the evils of diets high in saturated fat and sodium and low in fiber -- American fast-food chains continue to roll out bigger, fatter, more decadent fare.

Consider this summer's debut of Burger King's BK Stackers, which include a Quad Stacker option of four slabs of beef, four slices of cheese and up to eight slices of bacon -- "smothered," as the company puts it, in a creamy sauce.


"This burger might better be called the quadruple-bypass special," says Jeff Novick, director of nutrition for the Pritikin Longevity Center. "Fast food like this is great if you're in a hurry -- to die."

The behemoth sandwich -- defibrillator sold separately -- contains 1,000 calories and a whopping 68 grams of fat, including 30 grams of saturated fat. According to nutritionists, that's about half the calories and 1-1/2 times the saturated fat the average adult should consume in an entire day.

For its part, Burger King says it is simply giving the public what it wants.

"We're satisfying the serious meat lovers by leaving off the produce and letting them decide exactly how much meat and cheese they can handle," says Denny Marie Post, the corporation's senior vice president.

And in case the kids fail to notice the sandwich, Burger King also sells collectible figurines of the cartoonish characters featured in the BK Stackers' TV ads.

But Burger King isn't alone in fattening up its fare. In fact, there are worse burgers out there -- notably Hardee's 1,420-calorie Monster Thickburger, which has 107 grams of fat.

Nor is the nutritional affront limited to burgers. Subway's 12-inch Double-Meat Classic Tuna Sub packs 1,580 calories and 110 grams of fat, Denny's Extreme Grand Slam Breakfast has 1,270 calories and 77 grams of fat, and Blimpie's BLT has 1,180 calories and 64 grams of fat.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest -- known for exposing the unhealthy content of everything from Mexican food to alfredo sauce -- labels such excessive fare "food porn" and argues that a lot of diners may not realize just how fattening the food is.

"To those who say we don't need calorie counts on menu boards, I say, 'Have you met the Thickburger?' " says executive director Michael F. Jacobson. "A good rule of thumb is that if a burger needs a comma in its calorie count, it's virtually impossible to fit into a healthy diet."

But some marketing experts say calorie counts won't matter. A lot of customers just may not care.

Novick, for one, thinks it's part of a public backlash against the near-constant admonishment to eat more healthfully. He traces the roots to the 2003 death of controversial diet guru Dr. Robert Atkins, who blamed carbohydrates -- not fat -- for the obesity epidemic. Though officials said Atkins died of injuries he suffered in a fall on an icy New York sidewalk, there were conspiratorial whispers of cardiovascular disease.

Dieters didn't know what to believe anymore.

"It was like people just threw up their hands, frustrated," Novick says. "Pretty soon there was some restaurant bragging about serving deep-fried Twinkies."

He doesn't necessarily blame the restaurants -- after all, sales figures show that the more egregious the nutrition, the better the food sells. When Hardee's added its 715-calorie Hand-Scooped Ice Cream Shake, for instance, its shake sales doubled. On the other hand, Wendy's fresh fruit bowl proved to be a flop.

"Let's face it, we come from environments where food was very scarce, and there are certain things we're instinctually attracted to for survival," Novick says. "Well, now they've figured out how to make food packed with those things that were rare in the environment and that we used to have to struggle to get -- and we can get them without even getting out of our cars."

I feel my arteries hardening just reading that. It's probly a good thing processed beef doesn't settle well with me or else I'd have a heart attack after the first bite of BK's new Cardiac-arrest-in-a-bun. Probably an even better thing that I don't eat fast food anymore.

Seriously....ew...badness:gonk:

[Death by Stabbing]

Damn but that sounds tasty...I mean come on if you eat one what's the worst that could happen? Sure your heart could explode but that's a small price to pay for something that sounds so damned tastey...mmmm mmmm

DBS

[Major Blood]

Meh, dosen't concern me. I can't eat fast food at all.

This is my rule of thumb, if it slides down your throat without you feeling it you probably shouldn't eat it.

[Squishy Cheeks]

anything more than two slices of meat is just wrong.

[Nique]

Yeah, it isn't great to eat this kind of stuff every day... but some health nuts kind of take things too far. I mean, this calorie intake... it's not going to kill me to get in a few hundred, or even a thousand more calories than my daily 'ration' once in a while.

Hell, I try to eat MORE meat (albeit, mostly chicken) esspecially when I work out.

Yes it's disgusting that some people eat tons of that junk every day, but let's not forget that some of us like to have the fast greasy gross food places there for a treat every now and again, as we have self-control.

[Squishy Cheeks]

If I'm going fast food I'm going here http://www.in-n-out.com/

The burgers are tasty and the menu is simple.

Double meat double cheese
Cheese burger
Hamburger
French Fries
Milk Shakes
Soda
Pink Lemonade.

and that is it. No Super burger with Bacon, no chili cheese fries, no new promotional burgers every month. Just good burgers, and stuff to go with them.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Theres a personal reason for me when it comes to in and out burgers. they go out as fast as they go in....blech...tasty as hell but man I'd prefer not to put myself in that kind of pain again.

Wouldn't wish that on my worst of enemies.

[PyrosNine]

My god. They've finally made a fast food sandwich that I can make full use of with my super metabolism!

Of course, for all of you people who don't burn calories like rocket fuel (And don't suffer from bouncing around the house) the answer for dealing with this sandwich is clear. Eat it for breakfast, and eat nothing else all day.

Or cut it up into manageable strips of yum as per your dietary instructions. It could in theory provide you with all the energy needed for one whole day if properly cut up, and be cheaper than 3 meals... unless you eat instant Ramen.

Come to think of it, with that much meat in the sandwich the thing must cost over 6 bucks.

[dposse]

That's nothing new. The Food Network showcased like ten versions of those big things from all over the country.

[ZERO.]

Dude, that sounds damn tasty.

[Azisien]

Oooh I love burgers! One of my favorite foods of all time, but...

This reminds me of the stuff my co-workers used to make themselves for 'breakfast.' (Work in a kitchen, so raw materials isn't a problem).

Let's see it was...
a) One of those jumbo white bagels, looks like a normal bagel injected with bovine growth hormones.
b) 6-8 slices of bacon
c) 3-4 sliced up breakfast sausages
d) 4 slices of cheddar cheese (with the thickness of processed slices)
e) 1-2 tablespoons of cream cheese
and, for your daily intake of vegetables f) A slice of tomato

I always wondered the nutritional specs on the damn thing, I figured it must break the four digit calorie mark at least. A serious heartstopper (like that first burger, or the tuna sub).

But in my case, I'm not even joking about the heartstopper. One such morning after consuming said heavenly (or satanic?) montrousity, he complained of chest pains within 5 minutes.

But moving on, I follow a real simple rule for diet...Eat when you're hungry, and don't eat until you feel full. Eat until you feel not hungry. Coupled with a lot of walking, I've lost almost 20 pounds (I was about 10 pounds overweight in grade 12).

Still, I like fast food. I don't like overly, liquidy grease, but many fast food meals do a good job at concealing that fact. Most of the time if I'm dragged to a fast food restaurant I try to order chicken or something lighter but sometimes, the burger calls! You've got to enjoy yourself.

[Flarecobra]

Granted I work out quite a bit....but Damn....Even I'd get fat by eating those. If I want Fast Food, I'll just go over to Wendy's and get a Spicy chicken sammich. Otherwise, it's Chow Hall food for me.

..Course now that I think about it, they display the calorie count for each serving, and the main meal is about 300-400 calories.....Throw in a couple of sides and a salad....Still less then one of those Stackers. Hell, when I stopped in an airport BK while I was traveling last month, I saw one of those and thought "Can normal people even get their mouths around that?"

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Let's see it was...
a) One of those jumbo white bagels, looks like a normal bagel injected with bovine growth hormones.
b) 6-8 slices of bacon
c) 3-4 sliced up breakfast sausages
d) 4 slices of cheddar cheese (with the thickness of processed slices)
e) 1-2 tablespoons of cream cheese
and, for your daily intake of vegetables f) A slice of tomato.

Ha it's the tomato that makes this priceless, it's like those people who go into a McDonalds and order a Big Mac, large fries and a diet Coke!

But that stuff's horrific! Stay away... far away.

Oh and by the way, tomato is a fruit, not vegetable.

[BlackMageGirl!]

Hey! I happen to like Diet coke! =(

Also, that is a double heart attack on a bun. I mean, geebus. @@ I still think the best burgers are the ones you make at home.

[Rhycore]

One of my favorite things to eat is the Hungry Man XXL Chicken meal. So so good.

So, so unhealthy.

These XXL versions of that classic dinner are belly busters that'll sock you with nearly a full day's worth of fat and calories AND more than one day's worth of salt! The above-mentioned Southern Fried Boneless Chicken offering has 1,010 calories, 41 grams of fat (8 saturated), 155mg cholesterol, a stunning 3,180mg sodium, and 85 grams carbohydrates.

So yeah, I'm not allowed to have that very often :(

[Squishy Cheeks]

That sounds revolting. I think I'd rather just make my own. (I am a trained chef, as well as an artist) Honestly Southern fried Chicken is easy, and the gravy ain't hard either.

You need a cast iron skillet though.

Southern Fried Chicken
Ingrediants
chicken, washed and cut
garlic powder Salt and pepper (mixed together, it makes a good all purpose seaoning mix ;-) )
1 teaspoon pepper
2 cups all-purpose or self-rising flour
3 eggs
1/3 cup milk
1 cup tabasco (optional)
Peanut oil, for frying

Season the chicken store over night so osmosis occurs.
Heat the oil in a cast iron pan.
Mix eggs (,Tabasco) and milk together.
Dip the chicken in the egg mixture.
Mix the pepper with the flour
coat the chicken in the flour mixture.
Fry until golden brown 8-16 minutes depending on white or dark meat. Dark meat takes longer.

Sausage Gravy
5 cups water
7 cups milk
1 pound pork sausage
1 1/2 cups flour
2 tablespoons salt
2 tablespoons pepper

Heat the milk and water in a pot on low heat, so it heats slowly. DO NOT BOIL. Cook the sausage in a skillet, cast iron preferable, you can even use it later to fry your chicken. The sausage should be treated like ground beef. when cooked strain the sausage but DO NOT DISCARD THE GREASE!!! It is very important. Add the sausage to the water and milk in the pot. Return the grease to the skillet over medium heat. slowly stir in the flour salt and pepper to make a roux. Cook this until it will cling to a spoon and come off the skillet clean. When the stock is about to boil add the roux to the pot and Stir. Then turn off the heat so the gravy will thicken

Put on fried steak, Chicken, biscuits. It's all good really.

[Mirai Gen]

This wouldn't be so revolting if it wasn't fast food.

[ZERO.]

You think that's messed up?

Hell, I was with some family in mexico and we went to this little place to eat and they had, I fuck you not, a hambuger with 5 slices of beef 4 slices of bacon a slice of thick ham, and all the rest of your standerd condements.

All for 3.00$.

It's was the single greatest buger, I have ever had the pleasure of eating.

[Azisien]

Oh and by the way, tomato is a fruit, not vegetable.

On the contrary sir, a tomato is both a fruit and a vegetable. While there is a true botanical term for fruit, and tomato fits that category, there is no such botanical term for vegetable. A vegetable is simply a term pinned on various fruits by, well, people. And the tomato is most certainly among the accepted vegetables where I come from. It's both.

Edit: It can also be considered 'an edible fruit.'

[UberYoshi]

If I ate 3 a day everday for 1 year...

[Mesden]

If I ate 3 a day everday for 1 year...

You would die 364 days before you meet your goal.

[Azisien]

And not joking, I think you might get to month two, assuming you are a healthy teenager young adult (prime metabolism) before suffering a massive heart attack, stroke, and failure of your kidnies, liver, and spleen.

[Mesden]

In all seriousness, given America as a whole, these should really come with warning labels. I love something hearttearingly delicious as much as the next person, but some people just need to stop and look at what you're eating does to you. A warning label would help, I'd hope.

*CAUTION: Causes Heart Attacks* (No 'may' about it)

[Azisien]

Some well-balanced warning system, because outright Pick Your Poison on the menu might hurt marketing a bit...

I mean it doesn't affect cigarettes but...Nicotine is more addictive than juicy, succulent greasy meat smothered in dripping cheddar cheese....I TAKE IT BACK!

Something better than NOTHING, but not quite scare tactics. I'd rather not order a burger that says "YOU WILL FUCKING DROP DEAD" on it.

[DarkLadyNyara]

Yuck. I don't like hamburgers period, and that would probably make me sick. But, hey, if people want to eat that, it's their problem. (Though if they subsequently bitch about how "McDonalds made me fat", I'm gonna kill something...)

That said, they do need to post the (lack of) nutrition facts.

[Mesden]

Some well-balanced warning system, because outright Pick Your Poison on the menu might hurt marketing a bit...

I mean it doesn't affect cigarettes but...Nicotine is more addictive than juicy, succulent greasy meat smothered in dripping cheddar cheese....I TAKE IT BACK!

Something better than NOTHING, but not quite scare tactics. I'd rather not order a burger that says "YOU WILL FUCKING DROP DEAD" on it.

Well...Twas' a joke. I'd like something along the lines of a nice, probably red labelled stamp depicting just how bad it is.

because, honestly, that's horrible.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

After reading that burger, i found my left arm numb, my mouth tasted of copper, and I had chest pains.


The only fast food I eat is Harveys at the airport. And then I only have the grilled chicken sandwich and a small fry. That food sounds disgusting.

[Krylo]

Note the Hardee's Monster Burger directly below that.

Note that it has more calories and more fat.

Note, further, that it's FAR better.

Now note that I ate about two to four of those a week with fries and soda (with interspersed meals of things like three+ hot dogs, a hardee's six dollar burger [like half a monster burger, but with veggies, and mucho deliciouso] combo, etc.), and no, it wasn't all I had to eat that day. And no, the rest of the stuff I ate that day wasn't much healthier or smaller.

Now note that I am in completely perfect health, and am not, in anyway, overweight.

There are many things these people crying out against these foods fail to calculate. For one, my basal metabolism is higher than most people's. MUCH higher. When the monster burger came out I didn't have a job and I was not in school. I sat around doing nothing and still gained no weight at all from eating like that.

I am not the only person like that.

Secondly--activity. I now have a job, and as I mentioned in another thread, it currently consists of eleven hour shifts doing more physical labor than half the construction workers in this country.

I can and will burn off more calories than it is humanly possible for me to eat in a day.

Thirdly--human adjustment. The human body, metabolism-wise especially, adjusts to its environment. If you eat 4,000, or even 8,000, calories a day every day, you will eventually stop gaining weight from doing so. Further--very little harm will actually come to your body. Assuming you otherwise lead a healthy lifestyle (or not, if you've got damn good genes).

You see your metabolism has various 'modes' it goes into, depending on what you're eating and how much. This is also why straight calorie cutting diet techniques don't work. If you eat a lot of calories your body will enter surplus mode and will increase its metabolism, burning the calories to help you heal faster, build tissue better, and have more energy. If you only eat a few your body will enter starvation mode, and will begin to pack away as many calories as it can as fat while still keeping you alive with as little energy as possible--so that you can survive without food longer.

This isn't saying you should increase your caloric intake, because there are all kinds of problems with shifting yourself into a higher metabolism--many people can't do it easily, there's a rather long transition period, you may have trouble bouncing back from said transition period, later on in life metabolism cycles don't alter as easily, etc.

However, if you have been eating like that and are having no problems--blood pressure, weight gain, etc. you're fine to KEEP eating like that.

Given all of this--I rather dislike the whole "These burgers are evil and the people who enjoy them are unhealthy FOOLS!" thing going down with that article.

Seriously, if there are some people whose bodies can't handle that food and who can't regulate their intake of it, that's not my problem. It's only my problem when they start telling me I can't eat the food I want, because dipshit Bob down the street leads a sedentary life style, has a history of heart disease, is obese, and still felt the need to chow down on three monster burgers a day.

You know what? Fuck Bob. I want my goddamn chili-cheese-bacon-burger with a pound of meat and motherfucking mayonaise on it.

[Mesden]

No matter WHAT your metabolism, beef is (even though I eat and love it) bad for you digestively anyhow, Krylo. =P

Also: People, as a whole, yeah it's fucking unhealthy for them to eat the stuff. All your little solutions really only applied to you.

Metabolism: You said yourself that you had the awesome metabolism to handle it.

Activity: America.

Adjustment: You have plenty of reasons yourself, not to mention the fact that their's definitely some time before your metabolism can shift. It doesn't take awfully long to get obese nowadays, especially with this crap going on.

Also: I'd like for you to quote me one part of that article that talked about prohibiting this food. The closest thing I saw was:

The Center for Science in the Public Interest -- known for exposing the unhealthy content of everything from Mexican food to alfredo sauce -- labels such excessive fare "food porn" and argues that a lot of diners may not realize just how fattening the food is.

And, as far as I read, it's just telling DINERS that, "Hey! Your food is bad for people!" Not "Hey! Stop making your food because it's bad for people!"

I think you're getting too worked up about this...All I see is an article that talks about making it AWARE how bad this stuff is...

In conclusion:

You're you. Other people aren't. Other people are the problem, Krylo.

No one said a thing about taking the food away.

Yes, people who chow down on this stuff without your certan gifts are unhealthy, and some are so unhealthy that they're fools as far as I can tell, or just don't give a damn about their health. (Just about the same thing)

And...

Mayonaise

Ewwwwwwwwww.

[Krylo]

Metabolism: You said yourself that you had the awesome metabolism to handle it.So do a lot of other people. I can name five off the top of my head, and if you paid attention to other people's eating habits you probably could too.

Activity: America.An untrue and generally false generalization doesn't get you anywhere. Construction workers, retail workers, contractors, electricians, janitors, warehouse workers, etc. as well as anyone who bothers to exercise--and yes, there are a lot of people in that last category these days, thanks mostly to a lot of "exercise/diet or be strange and weird" health crap going on lately.

Adjustment: You have plenty of reasons yourself, not to mention the fact that their's definitely some time before your metabolism can shift. It doesn't take awfully long to get obese nowadays, especially with this crap going on.I think I said that. I think I specifically said not to start eating a lot of crap if your metabolism wasn't already shifted up, but if it IS shifted up, then there's really nothing to worry about if the rest of your health is ok.

Also: I'd like for you to quote me one part of that article that talked about prohibiting this food. The closest thing I saw wasThe tone and the fact that people like this are the same people that lawyers call to the stands to allow people who get obese off of McDonald's to win lawsuits.

And yes, in the past nutritionalists HAVE called for the illegalization, or at least government control of, 'unhealthy' foods.

Further, I never said the article called for it. What I said was, specifically, that I dislike the idea that anyone who eats these burgers is an unhealthy idiot that the article sends across. There's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying a burger.

And, as far as I read, it's just telling DINERS that, "Hey! Your food is bad for people!" Not "Hey! Stop making your food because it's bad for people!"Really, there isn't much difference between the two when you're doing it as an admonishment of the food they make.

What they're REALLY saying is that, "Food like this shouldn't be served to, or eaten by, people."

I think you're getting too worked up about this...All I see is an article that talks about making it AWARE how bad this stuff is...Honestly, if you aren't already aware that a burger with four slabs of meat and cheese, with no veggies at all, is bad for you, you deserve at least a triple bypass, preferably before you get the chance to pass retarded genes on.

Also, I'm not worked up, I just find the constant "These burgers are terrible for you" thing annoying. Really, they aren't that bad so long as you eat them with any modicrum of responsibility.

Mostly, however, nutritionalists just piss me off, because they can't get their shit straight or even agree on anything, but they still feel the need to pretend like everything they say is the high and mighty word of god which all must follow else be condemned to a hellish eternity of unhealthy obesity. Then they make up numbers, twist facts, don't bother calculating in personal body chemistry, gender, medical history, or anything else when spouting off, to make themselves seem more important, as a whole. (See BMI, obesity rates, gender, and the extremely tenuous line they attempt to draw between obesity and healthcare costs of various diseases with a platitude of causes)


Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me

Check the other experiments section.

And don't give me flak about wikipedia, just because anyone can edit things. Incorrect things are usually edited/fixed within minutes thanks to the sheer volume of people doing it.

[Demetrius]

I find would find that burger appetizing only if it was on a good bun had a pile of L.T.M. on it... oh yeah and if the beef wasn't crap, but I'm just picky like that. I buy for taste, if that did it for me I'd be all over it, but for now its chicken breasts, porter houses and filets for me.

[8-Bit Idiot]

All this talk about food is making me hungry...

[Mesden]

So do a lot of other people. I can name five off the top of my head, and if you paid attention to other people's eating habits you probably could too.

Yes, I could. I could also name more to the likewise.

An untrue and generally false generalization doesn't get you anywhere. Construction workers, retail workers, contractors, electricians, janitors, warehouse workers, etc. as well as anyone who bothers to exercise--and yes, there are a lot of people in that last category these days, thanks mostly to a lot of "exercise/diet or be strange and weird" health crap going on lately.

Well, I was generally going off of the epic proportion of obesity in America (http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/news/004551.html) It was a counterpoint to just about everything, because APPARENTLY this physical work and metabolism isn't getting through as greatly as you word it.

I think I said that. I think I specifically said not to start eating a lot of crap if your metabolism wasn't already shifted up, but if it IS shifted up, then there's really nothing to worry about if the rest of your health is ok.

Yes, I was just adding emphasis, really. You were good enough at proving the problems with it yourself. And that "If" isn't most of America, apparently.

The tone and the fact that people like this are the same people that lawyers call to the stands to allow people who get obese off of McDonald's to win lawsuits.

Thing is, well.


Further, I never said the article called for it. What I said was, specifically, that I dislike the idea that anyone who eats these burgers is an unhealthy idiot that the article sends across. There's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying a burger.

You went right from being crass with the article to going on about how pissed you'd be if you had your food prohibited. Forgive me if I misinterpret your tone, but you directly went from:

Given all of this--I rather dislike the whole "These burgers are evil and the people who enjoy them are unhealthy FOOLS!" thing going down with that article.

Throwing negative at the article to:

Seriously, if there are some people whose bodies can't handle that food and who can't regulate their intake of it, that's not my problem. It's only my problem when they start telling me I can't eat the food I want, because dipshit Bob down the street leads a sedentary life style, has a history of heart disease, is obese, and still felt the need to chow down on three monster burgers a day

Blasting against how your food could get taken away.


And yes, in the past nutritionalists HAVE called for the illegalization, or at least government control of, 'unhealthy' foods.

While I do agree that illegalization of any nonpoisonous food is right out inane, some governmental bitchslaps about how goddamn bad this stuff can be for you just may be what it takes to get people to shut up and be warned for this kind of shit, rather than take out million dollarlawsuits against McDonalds and WIN.


Really, there isn't much difference between the two when you're doing it as an admonishment of the food they make.

What they're REALLY saying is that, "Food like this shouldn't be served to, or eaten by, people."

Eh, alright. I can understand the sentiment well enough.

Honestly, if you aren't already aware that a burger with four slabs of meat and cheese, with no veggies at all, is bad for you, you deserve at least a triple bypass, preferably before you get the chance to pass retarded genes on.

Yes, yes they do.

Also, I'm not worked up, I just find the constant "These burgers are terrible for you" thing annoying. Really, they aren't that bad so long as you eat them with any modicrum of responsibility.

That again is valid, but sometimes it really just takes a Governmental "Hey guys, this shit is not good for you!" for people to get that the shit is not good for them.

Also: You're ALWAYS worked up. =P

Mostly, however, nutritionalists just piss me off, because they can't get their shit straight or even agree on anything, but they still feel the need to pretend like everything they say is the high and mighty word of god which all must follow else be condemned to a hellish eternity of unhealthy obesity. Then they make up numbers, twist facts, don't bother calculating in personal body chemistry, gender, medical history, or anything else when spouting off, to make themselves seem more important, as a whole.

Yes, they are assholes.

(See BMI, obesity rates, gender, and the extremely tenuous line they attempt to draw between obesity and healthcare costs of various diseases with a platitude of causes)

Generally the rates are VALID, but just blown out of proportion and taken out of context to make it seem worse. There's still an obesity problem going on, and oh I don't need to repeat myself anymore.


Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me

Check the other experiments section.

And don't give me flak about wikipedia, just because anyone can edit things. Incorrect things are usually edited/fixed within minutes thanks to the sheer volume of people doing it.

Yes, I know all about. You just seemed to be attacking the article and, honestly, inserting yourself as the subject against the Nutritionalists, which is a medical history and body chemistry problem creation waiting to happen, like you already mentioned.

Really, I'd just be all for smackin' up some people and saying "STOP EATING CHRIST" orsome such.

Note: The last, like, half of this is halfhearted. I have worn out my arguing skrillz earlier and just couldn't bother to really press the points when Krylo is 'eh, alright, I can accept that' line right now.

[Demer]

However, if you have been eating like that and are having no problems--blood pressure, weight gain, etc. you're fine to KEEP eating like that.
I think that sums up what I wanted to say. I wish I had your metabolism.

Has anyone else ever had a deep-fried twinky? They actually taste pretty good.

[Krylo]

some governmental bitchslaps about how goddamn bad this stuff can be for you just may be what it takes to get people to shut up and be warned for this kind of shit, rather than take out million dollarlawsuits against McDonalds and WIN.I disagree whole heartedly.

Firstly--People still smoke and drink. A lot. They also still do illegal drugs. A lot.

Government bitchslaps do very little to make people stop doing things.

Further, the government has no buisness sticking its nose into what I do to myself. It's there to protect me from OTHER PEOPLE. My/Your/Crazy Bob's ability to do what I want to my own body is, or at least should be, one of the very founding ideas of personal freedom.

Generally the rates are VALID, but just blown out of proportion and taken out of context to make it seem worse. There's still an obesity problem going on, and oh I don't need to repeat myself anymore.
Not really. They aren't valid in the first place, and the numbers are THEN blown out of proportion etc. as well. It's hard to judge just how much of an obesity problem we have compared to the rest of the world because of this (if there even is one, in comparison to other developed nations).

To extrapolate: BMI is figured on exactly two things. Height and weight.

Muscle mass is not taken into consideration, neither is gender, or body fat percentile.

These three things cause a lot of problems.

Firstly--when they made it clear across both genders, about six million americans became overweight overnight. Not because they are, but because they happen to be men, and are suddenly being held to a female's weight standards--which, thanks to a lack of testosterone, and thus lower muscle growth, happens to be far lower. Further, anyone who exercises regularily (President Bush, wrestlers, body builders, athletes in general, many men you see at the gym with a 'great' physique, and even 'toned' women) figure as overweight, because their muscles aren't counted--so the healthiest people are being counted as the unhealthiest. And, lastly, the lack of body fat percentile causes problems in a few other demographics, as well as making the ones previously stated even worse.

Then, they take these ludicriously inflated numbers, and make predictions off of them, with very little in the way of evidence to support them (their evidence actually including how many people have become overweight in x years on their system--of course with such a flawed system that data is completely irrelevant).

THEN, they take their inflated percentile now, find the difference from their even MORE inflated percentile for later, and take the total cost of ever disease that COULD be linked to obesity (note, not just the cases of those diseases that are, but rather all of them) and multiply appropriately to get the 'cost of health care' in the future... which is, obviously, ludicriously inflated.

[Mesden]

I disagree whole heartedly.

Firstly--People still smoke and drink. A lot. They also still do illegal drugs. A lot.

Government bitchslaps do very little to make people stop doing things.

Further, the government has no buisness sticking its nose into what I do to myself. It's there to protect me from OTHER PEOPLE. My/Your/Crazy Bob's ability to do what I want to my own body is, or at least should be, one of the very founding ideas of personal freedom.

Where personal freedom comes in also lies the risk of ignorance, which is quite prominent in a lot of people, and the Government needs to respond to it.

Of course, I'm talking to a guy that I think believes that prostitution should be legalized for that very reason as well...

Ah well, this is just our views conflicting about who should do what. Atleast we can all agree on this:

That's one REALLY heavy burger...


Edit to the rest: That is only the most LUDICROUS of statistics, though. The nonbias ones (Probably not what I cited, since it was just a quick google grab, but nonetheless) still show that there's definitely a rising problem in obesity, and the fast food industries are making it worse.

The ones you just mentioned? Those get called out and shot down when in public light without a moments notice. And when they aren't, these nutrition fanatics with obviously faulty results are rather ignored, as far as I've seen, or not supported enough to matter.

No one's going to slap a goddamn ban on food. The public feedback would he hideous. The bad rates get pointed out, the decent ones get the most matterful credence (Experts agreeing on them, more or less, people siding with it as well as organizations that dabble in this kind of thing) and the most accurate ones...Eh, I've probably never seen a truly accurate one, hoenstly.

[adamark]

This is one reason to be against socialized healthcare. If healthcare is socialized, your personal health is my business because it's my taxes that will pay for poor dietary and drug habits. If I am not paying for it, I could care shit about what people put into their bodies. I don't really care that most of America is obese. Sure, it's embarrassing, and disgusting, but it's not my responsibility. People are responsible to themselves. They have no one to blame but themselves.

[Muffin Mage]

I wouldn't be able to eat that much in one sitting. Christ, that's a lot of beef.

On the other hand, I think we can all agree that, because it's Burger King, nobody should want to eat that shit. Hardee's for the win.

On the third hand, or possibly the one foot, the record for the largest hamburger is held by this little place in Kansas. It's fifteen, coun't 'em, fifteen (15) pounds. That's the number between fourteen and sixteen, for those of you keeping score at home.

[Raerlynn]

Look, Lewis Black summed the whole nurtrition thing up very succienctly. (I know I misspelled that one...)

"Everybodies health is different. What's good for one of you is not good for the next, and it goes like that. We're all different. We're all...snowflakes."

Literally, there's so much shit flying around about what's good and what's bad for you, its impossible to determine who's right and who's wrong. Its like the "do videogames cause violence" all over again. One study says yeah, another says no. A third says they're both fucking nuts, and a fourth goes way off tanget, etc. etc.

Bear in mind that when people do studies, they tend to be biased, and they tend to find the result the researchers themselves want to achieve. So when reading these health studies, ask yourself what motivates this writer. Take it with a grain of salt, like everything else.

Personally, I live off of fast food. But my metabolism is pretty high, and I only eat maybe one full meal a day. If I'm not eating fast food, its beef jerky, M&Ms, and coca cola. I've been on this "diet" for about a year now. I've not suffered any serious side effects, and my weight has not significantly changed. I weigh, maybe 165lbs, and am 6' 1". If I showed my diet to one hose nutritionalists, they'd probably ask me what the fuck I was doing, demand I follow their diet, and I'd be dead in a week.

And my personal favorite part of Lewis Black's piece:

"Is Milk bad or good? *crowd says a few yeahs and nos* I rest my case. Three of you answered and the rest were like bluh...you don't know."

[ZERO.]

How did we get from talking about a big ass peice of meat and cheese to arguring with eatch other?

[Mesden]

Rant+Some opposition to the rant=Argument.

[ZERO.]

You would think one would follow the path of the Kung Fu master flamer and not even bother with the whole thing.

Yes, I still remember.

[Melfice]

The same way it took you to comment on that.
Positive derailing, as it still applies to the topic.

Your's however was just off-topic commenting. ^_^

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Y'know...this is why I really don't make a whole lot of threads. If I wanted a point-counterpoint on the finer issues of metabolism, exercise, legalities, lawsuits, diatribe analysis, etc. I would've posted this in the discussions section for such a tet-a-tet.

But really the intention of this post was to show an article showing the outrageously proportioned meals the fast food industry is dishing out. As well as to share some entertaining anecdotes about various food related subjects.

Point and counterpoints are good and all but when it comes down to two people who are duking it out with large posts and wanton quoting...yeah..almost makes me feel irked at myself for posting this topic in the first place.

This is general after all. Lets keep it lighthearted. Logic blasting and massive quote listings is for the discussion section...and is why I avoid it like the a plague cart.

[Azisien]

Actually, Carl sums up the burgers pretty nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GwlmfSHrU

[PipBoy]

Actually, I really only have one problem with the big burger craze; they give companies an excuse to avoid making decent little burgers. Take the Hardee's Philly cheese steak burger, for example. It's 80 hojillion calories because it uses meat as a condiment. I think it's tasty. My sister and I like to split them and a small bag of curls, because at over 300 grams, the damned burger is bigger than a 6 inch sammich from Subway. But if I'm by myself, I'm pretty much screwed, either I gorge myself on a gigantic burger, throw a big (expensive) chunk of it away or take a crappy no frills burger that tastes like sawdust.

[Muffin Mage]

That reminds me of an Onion article. http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51139

[Krylo]

Y'know...this is why I really don't make a whole lot of threads. If I wanted a point-counterpoint on the finer issues of metabolism, exercise, legalities, lawsuits, diatribe analysis, etc. I would've posted this in the discussions section for such a tet-a-tet.That's great, however, if you come with this attitude/tone/whatever:

But really the intention of this post was to show an article showing the outrageously proportioned meals the fast food industry is dishing out.
Not to mention the title and so on... you have to expect people to, you know, disagree/defend the sandwiches/whatever.

This is general after all. Lets keep it lighthearted. Logic blasting and massive quote listings is for the discussion section...and is why I avoid it like the a plague cart.
Light hearted is off topic.

Heavy handed is discussion.

In between falls here.

Further, if, for any reason, a discussion gets more serious than it started, that's allowed in any section of the forums. If you present a view it is always allowed for someone to present a well worded and/or serious counterpoint to that view. In some sections you're allowed to present a less well worded and/or serious one. That's all.

It's not that you aren't allowed to go over a certain point in off topic, it's that you aren't allowed to go BELOW one in any given forum, and off topic has the lowest bar.

Thanks for bitching (indirectly) at a mod about how to act/discuss/argue in any given section of a forum, though.

[PipBoy]

Pfft, darned Onion stealing my thunder!

I'd be angry, except I love them too much to stay mad.


That and they wrote it first...

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

It has been roughly 1 month since I last had a Fast Food burger. I find them unappealling. Like I said beofre, Chicken is the way to go.:D

[Fifthfiend]

If I'm going fast food I'm going here http://www.in-n-out.com/

The burgers are tasty and the menu is simple.

Double meat double cheese
Cheese burger
Hamburger
French Fries
Milk Shakes
Soda
Pink Lemonade.

and that is it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If only you knew.


Thanks for bitching (indirectly) at a mod about how to act/discuss/argue in any given section of a forum, though.

You say this like we're not totally making this up as we go along.

It has been roughly 1 month since I last had a Fast Food burger. I find them unappealling. Like I said beofre, Chicken is the way to go.:D

I find the irony here delicious.

[Azisien]

It has been roughly 1 month since I last had a Fast Food burger. I find them unappealling. Like I said beofre, Chicken is the way to go.:D

See for me, I find both burgers and chicken extremely appealing at home. My most recent, uhm, "American" fast food experience I chose chicken over beef. Instead of having something like a Harvey's cheeseburger I chose their grilled chicken sandwich. It blew. Definitely hit and miss in the "healthier" cases too.

I think I'm making a more permanent move to Shwarmas myself. :D

[Muffin Mage]

Well, I made the mistake of eating a McChicken sandwich once. Good God, it was the most foul offense to the idea of chicken I have ever had the misfortune to consume.

But Chik-Fil-A is pretty spiffy.

Bonus points to whoever finds the pun.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I find the irony here delicious.

my name is not derived from the corporate heartattack known as McDonalds. it is derived from when I went to a party and got trashed. No food was involved.

[ZERO.]

my name is not derived from the corporate heartattack known as McDonalds. it is derived from when I went to a party and got trashed. No food was involved.


Don't lie to us.

[PipBoy]

I hate chicken with every fiber of my being. Well, okay, that's a lie. But I've despised just about every good ol' fashioned "American homestyle" chicken dish I've ever encountered. So unless we're talking stir fry, ginger or orange chicken, I'm probably not eating it and I definitely won't enjoy it. I'd say my pickiness has the opposite result of what most people seem to expect; I can and will eat pretty much anything and I eat a lot of healthy foods because while I don't particularly care for them, I'm so picky that I don't like most restaurant fare either, so I figure I may as well go with the one that is supposedly less likely to kill me.

[Nique]

I hate chicken with every fiber of my being.

This tells us two things;

1) You're crazy.

and !

2) You quite simply aren't human in any form.

Seriously. Everyone loves chicken. Just like everyone loves italian. Now you had to go and lie and make this all weird (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/03/11).

[Darth SS]

I'll not lie, I love burgers. Let's face it, there are some times you want a juicy slab of dead cow to sink your teeth into. Add onto this the fact that I live in Calgary, and I'm in burger heaven. Why? Because Calgary has Peter's in it. An internationally acclaimed burger joint. And you know what? It's goooooood. Chicken is okay, but it has to be cooked right. If not, it's just dry and disgusting, and you need pounds of mayo to get any flavor.

However, I have my limits. I never eat any larger than a double cheeseburger, and I never supersize. On top of that, I go to Quiznos or Tim Hortons whenever possible, and forego the fast food. I think it tastes just as good, if not better, and it's (a least a little bit) healthier for me.

[Muffin Mage]

Well, anyone who claims that Quiznos is a)worse than any burger place or b) bad at all is clearly, clearly a Communist atheist terrorist Nazi bastard who has forfeited any claim to life or humanity.

[Squishy Cheeks]

Bah Quiznos is lame. Give me Firehouse subs.

[PipBoy]

This tells us two things;

1) You're crazy.

and !

2) You quite simply aren't human in any form.

Seriously. Everyone loves chicken. Just like everyone loves italian. Now you had to go and lie and make this all weird (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/03/11).


Chicken tastes like feathers. Yes, I know what feathers taste like. No, I'm not a retired circus geek or anything weird like that. I did take a bird to the face once though. If it had been someone else, it would of been really cool. But when it happens to you, you don't really get a clear look at the event and it mostly really stings. Stupid retarded bird.

[VioletArrows]

See, I can agree about hating chickens (while they're alive). They're mean, bossy little monsters that you'd swear had teeth the way they can snip the skin off your hand. Now grilled with angel hair, peppers, and a light butter garlic sauce, they're fine.


Bah Quiznos is lame. Give me Firehouse subs.

Hells YES.

[pochercoaster]

Does anyone else find that no matter how many times you brush your teeth after eating McDonald's that you're still left with a horrid aftertaste? That's pretty much the only reason I avoid fast food. Blech.

The most I'd expect fast food restaurants to do is include nutritional/calorie information. Like Krylo said, you should be able to figure out that a burger with 50 slices of beef on it is unhealthy if it's all you eat.

It's not even calories that matter as much as ingredients/content. Something may be high in calories, but it can be completely healthy. And you tend to make better use of the energy from healthy foods, anyways. Something that's low in calories but contains a lot of saturated fat/glucose-fructose/whatever other eeeeevil ingredient isn't that healthy. I'm not a nutritionist and say I know much about the role of calories, but I think people who are concerned about their health would do a lot better if they stopped calorie counting and just ate foods that don't contain crap.