Doctor Who, season Ten. [AMERICAN]

[dposse]

http://www.scifi.com/doctorwho/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who

The wonderful people at the SciFi Channel have decided to grace the poor americans with the brand new season of Doctor Who! This is the tenth season, with the Doctor being played by David Tennet. They will be airing not only the new episode titled "New Earth", but they will be premiring the movie "The Christmas Invasion" as well!! The Christmas Invasion airs at 8pm EST tonight, and the new episode airs right after it.

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm soo fucking excited about this. I was really worried that they wouldn't show the new one, 'cause of how they gotta get the rights to air it. But now they are, and everything's right with the world. :)

If you wish to post spoilers in this thread, you can. However, please keep them to a minimum until the americans get to see the episode. Also, PLEASE MARK YOUR SPOILERS OR I WILL MAKE SURE YOU ARE BANNED.

:D

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I too am excite--oh, what's that? It's on RIGHT FUCKING NOW?! Well, see ya.

[dposse]

Yep. The Christmas Invasion is just about over, and it's fucking AWESOME!!!! So far, I love what i see of the new doctor.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Quick question: I know how the Ninth Doctor was the Doctor who resumed the series after a many-year-long hiatus, but did they ever explain how Eighth Doctor became Ninth Doctor?

[dposse]

According to wikipedia, they have never explained it.

[mauve]

So far, the latest Doctor looks awesome! I wasn't dissapointed with the first new episode, although the swordfight bit was rather corny. (But with Doctor Who, corny is good.) I especially liked the random Lion King reference. XD


Also, did anyone else notice K9's brief appearance in the Doctor Who DVD commercial? Does this mean we have to deal with K9 again? Won't he seem rather...erm... how to put this... low tech compared with the rest of the show?

[greed]

Well if you want to know MINOR SPOILERS One episode only thankfully, and the lowtechness is the source of much snickering on the part of Rose, and one of Mickey's best lines ever.END SPOILERS

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Wow, you Americans are only just getting this season over there? Ha, it's good to finally have this situation reversed as it's usually the other way round.:D

This season finished over here ages ago and the season DVD set should be out soon over here so I must get it when it comes out. I wasn't too keen on this doctor at first but as it moves on and he gets more into the role he really is great, perhaps even better than Eccleston. Also there are some truly awsome episodes coming up, my personal favouites being:
BIG SPOILERS
The impossible planet,The Satan pit (REALLY frigging creepy 2-parter, with the impossibly unnerving line: "He is awake", repeated throughout), and the incredible finale called Doomsday. I'm not saying why it's so good though, because it's the best twist in the season!
Also there is a word that you all should look out for just like with "Bad Wolf" last time. Listen out for mention of "Torchwood". That's all I'm saying...
SPOILER ENDS

It really is a great season, even better than last time if truth be told so keep watching...

EDIT: One thing I forgot to ask: Does anyone like the new end credit music? Because I certainly don't.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Well, I don't get to hear enought of the end credit music to even judge that. See, Sci-Fi channel tends to interupt that segment with its 'What's on next!' or other promotional voice-overs.

And honestly, who even sticks around for the credits.

SWB
- Oh, I thought I had heard somewhere that K-9 was getting a spin-off or something. I think on Aint-it-cool-news.

[greed]

Hawk, and anyone else who's seen the second series
SPOILERS
Anyone else notice the subtle homage to the Doom series throughout the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit? The mechanical noises all being ripped directly from the games especially the door opening sounds and the resemblance between the Beast and Baphomet(Icon of Sin). The second's probably coincidence, but the first seemed like a homage.
END SPOILERS

And sweet zombie jesus Bob I hope not, one spinoff is enough.

[Massacre]

Except...I heard the aliens from The Christmas Invasion were suppose to be Cthulhu-people. You know... Illithids, Mind-Flayers, and all that jazz. Slight disappointment for me there.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

To Greed:
To be honest I never really noticed that but it's been a while since I've actually played Doom, and I haven't seen the film either, so I can't honestly remember. Just another reason for me to get the boxset then, and get an emulater for my psp (I've just found a site that has that game on, plus the emulaters to run it so I might try it out).

And I really dont think K-9 will be coming back! They learned their lesson with that before.

EDIT: Deleted Greed's post from quote because the spoiler tags don't work. (That really needs sorting out!)

[Sky Warrior Bob]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-9_Adventures

Uhg... I found what I was looking for, and already I'm very a-fear'd. Apparently, it'll be a spinoff that only uses K-9's likeness & appearance, but beyond that, there's not necessarily a Doctor Who connection. It'll be a Jetix entry, which doesn't necessarily mean good or bad, as that block has a mix of talent, but from what I've read so far, I'm worried it'll be very bad.

SWB

[greed]

Massacre: Patience.

Hawk: I haven't seen the movie either, I mean it isn't on Mars and hasn't got Demons, what the hell*gets shot*?

Oh and for quoting spoilers switch it from COLOR=111111 to COLOR=222222.

SWB: Fuck.

[DavidG]

I hear that the robot Santas from The Christmas Invasion will be back in the next Christmas special. Well ain't that peachy.

[Vivli]

I remember hearing a while back the new K-9 spin off is actually Disney related or something, like one of their TV shows. But, it's just using the name. Even the likeness will be changed. Apparently it'll be CGI and stuff.

Although, there's another spin-off, made for children, about Sarah Jane (one of the Doctor's old companion, and adventured alongside K-9). Which K-9 may cameo in I guess. But it's made for the CBBC (Children's BBC) so it'll probably be a lot less designed for the 'everybody' audience Doctor Who is.

Also, I really liked the new end credits music. For people who watched the old series, it restored the middle 'bit' (dunno the technical term) to the theme that was present in all the older incarnations. It breaks it up quite nicely I felt and stops it from being too repetitive. You only hear it over the end credits though, not the intro.

And yes, I thought this new season was better than the last. But I'm not gonna say anything else. Don't wanna spoil anything.

[mauve]

Although, there's another spin-off, made for children, about Sarah Jane (one of the Doctor's old companion, and adventured alongside K-9). Which K-9 may cameo in I guess. But it's made for the CBBC (Children's BBC) so it'll probably be a lot less designed for the 'everybody' audience Doctor Who is. Oh boy. Sarah-Jane, my least favorite Doctor Who Girl, and K9, robot-dog-sidekick extraordinaire (Disney, Doctor, or not), with their own TV shows. That is so very, very, very sad.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Damn you Sci-fi channel! Airing Doctor who at the one time a week I am pretty much assured not to see it!

[Vivli]

Oh boy. Sarah-Jane, my least favorite Doctor Who Girl, and K9, robot-dog-sidekick extraordinaire (Disney, Doctor, or not), with their own TV shows. That is so very, very, very sad.

I don't mind either at all, but I do think the BBC may be overkilling the spin-offs a little. There was also very nearly another spin off (that's all I'll say, due to possible spoilers), but it was cancelled at the last minute by the creator, saying it was a spin-off too far.

I love the show, but I think this many spin-offs are overkill. The Sarah-Jane one is for kids, yes, and the K-9 one isn't in BBC hands, as far as I know, but it's still a lot.

I mean, yes, it's a huge success, but three spin-offs by season 3 might be overkilling it a bit.

Although, if Torchwood ends up being really good (it sounds a little like Buffy/Angel with aliens, Cardiff even has its own alien 'Hellmouth' according to the interviews, the rift from the first season), then I'll be happy. The Sarah Jane spin-off isn't meant for anybody but kids, so I don't really care about that.

Out of interest, why is this thread called season 10? Is that just a reference to the number Doctor we're on? Or is someone confused about how many seasons there have been?

[mauve]

Yeah, I think it's in reference to the number Doctor we're on. The Tom Baker era spanned several seasons, didn't it? I don't really remember. But I've been calling it season ten anyway! :sweatdrop

[DavidG]

It's just because of the doctor number. This season was actually either Season 2 or Season 28, depending on whether you're counting the original series' seasons too.

[Massacre]

It's just because of the doctor number. This season was actually either Season 2 or Season 28, depending on whether you're counting the original series' seasons too.

You have to. To negate the Doctor's long past history with his enemies and knowing all about them (as the 9th-10th Doctor will yammer on about), you have to see it as the entire series.

[Vivli]

But it has been working as a new series alone, a lot of people won't have seen the old ones. Especially children who are getting into the new series.

Anything you need to know is, as you said, explained in the series. Yes, it definitely acknoweldges the past events happened, but as a new series, it seems the normal way to count is '1' and '2'. (That's the way the BBC have been doing it anyway).

But '10' isn't the season it is, 'cause the Doctors are in multiple seasons. (Eccelstone is the only one to last only one season). I'm not sure what words you'd use really. 'Era' I guess.

Not that it really matters. I was just curious.

[DavidG]

You have to. To negate the Doctor's long past history with his enemies and knowing all about them (as the 9th-10th Doctor will yammer on about), you have to see it as the entire series.I actually meant "count" in the literal sense, but well said anyway. And School Reunion forces you to connect the new series up to the old series anyway.

[Mike McC]

Damn you Sci-fi channel! Airing Doctor who at the one time a week I am pretty much assured not to see it!Remember, Sci-Fi often (if not always) replays the episodes later that same night. So, if you get in a TV watching situation about 11 PM CST or so, you can probably watch it.

But, Tenth Doctor is great.

[Heliomance]

Except...I heard the aliens from The Christmas Invasion were suppose to be Cthulhu-people. You know... Illithids, Mind-Flayers, and all that jazz. Slight disappointment for me there.
SPOILER:Nah, they're in The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, later in the series.
But '10' isn't the season it is, 'cause the Doctors are in multiple seasons. (Eccelstone is the only one to last only one season). I'm not sure what words you'd use really. 'Era' I guess.
Didn't the eighth doctor only last for a single film?

[Vivli]

Didn't the eighth doctor only last for a single film?

Yeah, he was just in the film. And tons of spin off material, radio plays and books and such. Including a remake of one of the episodes Douglas Adams wrote but never got finished, which is on the BBC website, which is kinda cool. (Complete with little animations).

But I don't really count the film as a 'season'. It was a film. Hence me saying Eccelston was the only one to be in just one season. (Okay, so I actually said 'Eccelstone', but it's not my fault I can't spell).

I haven't seen the film actually, but from what I've heard about it, that might be a good thing...

They've shown New Earth over there now too haven't they? What did people think of that? When I saw it, to be honest, I was a little disappointed. It was still fun, but not one of the best episdes. I really loved Tooth and Claw, the next episode though, was one of my favourites, so I wonder what everybody's reaction to that'll be.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

They've shown New Earth over there now too haven't they? What did people think of that? When I saw it, to be honest, I was a little disappointed. It was still fun, but not one of the best episdes. I really loved Tooth and Claw, the next episode though, was one of my favourites, so I wonder what everybody's reaction to that'll be.

I think the reason a lot of people didn't like New Earth that much was because we were still getting used to the new doctor at the time. I have mixed feelings about that one really.

As for Tooth and claw; I quite liked that one really. I also have a friend who swears it's the best episode in the season, but that's probably because he has this strange (and slightly mental) affinity/obssesion for Werewolves, (his Lunar phase begins soon, so he's all hyped up.... dont ask!:rolleyes: )

[Mashirosen]

I liked Ten all right up until Tooth and Claw, and then it was an exponential growth of loathing for him and Rose from there onward until I stopped watching it, halfway through Fear Her. When they've got someone to play the Doctor who isn't a lispy bargain basement Jim Carrey I'll give it another try.

[Vivli]

I didn't dislike New Earth because of Tennant at all. I just disliked it in terms of plot, it felt a bit cheap, lots of plot threads introduced without much time spent on them, it was a little predictable, even one of the sets was visibly reused from the previous series (the base of the Nestene Conciousness from series one is used as the tunnel system, and it actually really stuck out to me), even the CGI was, oddly, a little disappointing (normally the CGI is great, but the flying cars and such looked a bit subpar). It was still fun to watch, especially near the end, but it wasn't one of my favourites.

I liked Ten all right up until Tooth and Claw, and then it was an exponential growth of loathing for him and Rose from there onward until I stopped watching it, halfway through Fear Her. When they've got someone to play the Doctor who isn't a lispy bargain basement Jim Carrey I'll give it another try.

I didn't find Tennant that way at all. I thought he was lighter than Eccelston, yes, but it seems appropriate for the character (since the whole idea is that in Parting of the Ways the Doctor 'got over' the trauma of the whole Time War thing).

However, him and Rose could be annoyingly smug, but that too seemed to be part of the plot set up (after all, there are consequences for their attitude in Tooth and Claw, trying not to say any more that might spoil things).

And if you dislike Tennant's light attitude, it may be worth seeing the final two parter, since I have a feeling that'll have quite a heavy bearing on Season 3 and his character development from there. I see him being a lot less smug and easy going in the future. Which may help you like him more.

I actually prefer him to Eccelston. While Eccelston was quite intense and interesting, when thinking about it, I find him the Doctor I'd least want to travel around the galaxy with. Other than maybe the first. Tennant seems a lot friendlier, and I think that's quite a good character trait.

But to each his own, I guess.

[Genesis Epyon]

I see great things for the 10th Doctor, but I still miss the energy and wit of the 9th. As far as I am concerned, the 9th Doctor is the greatest.

[dposse]

I agree with you, Genesis. The 9th doctor is my favorite as well. Eccelstons performance in the season finale was a thing of beauty.

[Mashirosen]

I didn't find Tennant that way at all. I thought he was lighter than Eccelston, yes, but it seems appropriate for the character (since the whole idea is that in Parting of the Ways the Doctor 'got over' the trauma of the whole Time War thing).
I think you're taking my sig for a viewing philosophy instead of a punchline I happened to like. ;P There's being lighter and then there's being a capricious asshole, which is how Tenth Doctor comes across to me. I totally get that this is a completely valid take on the character and arguably always a basic element of his personality (Nine certainly had his share of jerkish whimsy), but that doesn't make it necessarily any more likeable when it becomes a dominant trait. The idea of the character finally being able to let go of the whole Time War thing and be well again is great, wonderful -- I just didn't like where he went from there, or what Rose became in the process (which was the character change that bothered me the most, honestly, but that's another thing altogether). It's nice to hear that he got some kind of comeuppance in the end -- that was what I was waiting for, for someone to stand up to him just once (the way Rose used to) and take his god complex down a peg, but they just took so freakin' long to get there and the characters became so intolerable to me along the way that I lost patience with it.

I see him being a lot less smug and easy going in the future. Which may help you like him more.
Ugh, thanks but I'll pass. Going from hyperactive chihuahua to mopey emo shoegazer over Rose, oh the poor little Lonely God, not that he was too busted up about dropping her like a hot rock when Reinette was in the picture isn't any more appealing. I'm pretty curious about the new companion but not enough to put up with Tennant's acting. (Which is another place where we'll have to agree to disagree -- I don't dislike that he's more of a light comedian where Eccleston is more a serious dramatist, I dislike that he's such a ham about it.)

I actually prefer him to Eccelston. While Eccelston was quite intense and interesting, when thinking about it, I find him the Doctor I'd least want to travel around the galaxy with. Other than maybe the first. Tennant seems a lot friendlier, and I think that's quite a good character trait.
Well, when you put it like that, I think it all comes down to personalities and personal tastes, no matter how either of us might rationalize it. :) I liked Nine an awful lot, but I don't know that I'd want to travel with him either, as much of a broody dick he could be sometimes. But I can't stand people like Ten -- ugh, they're like big slobbery hyperactive dogs who never sit down or shut up. I'd put up with Nine's Morrissey in space bullshit for a decade before I'd spend half an hour stuck in a phone booth with Mr. Happy Teeth. :D

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5253/tennad07jj7.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tennad07jj7.jpg)
HYUUUMONS!!

[Mike McC]

I liked Ten all right up until Tooth and Claw, and then it was an exponential growth of loathing for him and Rose from there onward until I stopped watching it, halfway through Fear Her. When they've got someone to play the Doctor who isn't a lispy bargain basement Jim Carrey I'll give it another try.Yeah, having just watched Tooth and Claw I can say that I miss Ninth Doctor already. I dunno exactly what it is about Tenth Doctor I don't like yet, but I was just a bit annoyed at him. Which made it all the better when Queen Victoria snapped at him, and then exiled him. I think the success of the first series went to thier head, and that is never a good thing.

And I'm already getting fucking sick of the Torchwood references.

[Kurosen]

I fear that it will probably not improve for you in that case :\

I loved Christmas Invasion, and you can never have enough mind swapping or Cassandra, but Tooth and Claw is where Tenth Doctor starts looking rough around the edges. It never really recovers, I'm sorry to say.

Well, the LINDA episode is a possible exception, but Ten is in it for all of about a minute.

And I'm already getting fucking sick of the Torchwood references.
But, boy, the writers sure aren't!

[Kroze Gamegod]

But, boy, the writers sure aren't!

All I have to say is its like Bad Wolf...
Only BAD...
A bigger bad wolf I guess you can say...
One that huffed and puffed so much that it almost took the whole season down....

And yes, I know I am going to hell for all of that....

[mauve]

Soooo.... Lemmie get this straight. (spoilers)They used a laser. To kill... a werewolf... who was trying to... take over the body of... Queen Victoria... Who carried a giant diamond in her purse, which just so happens to power said laser.

That about right? Yeah, I think so. Oh yeah, that all makes perfect sense. XD "Tooth and Claw" wasn't a bad episode, per se, but but I think it was stretching things a bit far. Yeah, I know that's what Doctor Who does, but... lasers.


I'd put up with Nine's Morrissey in space bullshit for a decade before I'd spend half an hour stuck in a phone booth with Mr. Happy Teeth. :D Oh no. Now every time I watch the show, I'm going to think "Doctor Happy Teeth!!" Thank you, Mashirosen.


And as for favorite doctors, I still think Tom Baker is awesome. Eccleston was a great doctor too, probably my second-favorite, but I think travelling-companion-wise, I'd have to go with Tom Baker. That era of Doctor Who had the corniest plots and worst special effects, but it was still great for a laugh, even if it wasn't meant to be funny.

[Arhra]

Ah, but don't forget Mauve, it wasn't just any laser, it was a moon laser. Personally, I felt that episode could have done with about five more minutes of explanation for everything and it would have been a lot better. There was some interesting stuff the werewolf said but it didn't really lead to anything.

I think generally the quality of the single episodes isn't as good as the two parters. There's some good ones, but others are a bit so so (like the one with the TVs).

The two parters on the other hand have been quite good. I loved the Impossible Planet and the series finale. I mean (definately do not read this if you don't want the twist spoiled for you!) one had Satan and the other had a Cyberman invasion followed by freaking Daleks coming out of the sphere! And in the second episode practically every line the Daleks had was great. Who can't love that little exchange the Cybermen and the Daleks had on first meeting. Heh, elegance.

I really don't think the Torchwood references had the same intent Bad Wolf did. The mentions were more just a background thing for the perceptive rather than a major plot point.

[dposse]

I agree that the concept of Tooth and Claw was a touch more over the top than, say, Snakes on a Plane, but i liked it. I just wish that they would have explained what the werewolf "cells" were and where they came from, ect.

And i agree, the Torchwood refernces are getting annoying because Americans will probably never get to see the spinoff. However, i did like the ending of Tooth and claw a little bit because it's interesting to find out that the Doctor is responsable for creating his own worst enemy.

[Mashirosen]

Yeah, having just watched Tooth and Claw I can say that I miss Ninth Doctor already. I dunno exactly what it is about Tenth Doctor I don't like yet, but I was just a bit annoyed at him.
For me it was when the laird of the manor or whatever he was decided to sacrifice himself to buy the others some time, and Ten's just like "Whew! Thanks for taking one for the team, buddy, I owe you a Coke!" and hardly gives it a second thought after that. Nine would've let him do it too, but probably not without an argument, and definitely not without feeling the loss deeply. Ten certainly likes to talk about how much he just loves hyuumons-ah!!, but ultimately he's never really that broken up about it when they suffer or die -- when anyone suffers or dies, really, unless he perceives the persons or phenomena inflicting it as a challenge to his authority. Whereas Nine, for all the "styuupid apes" namecalling and the jerkery of which he was more than capable, really did care deeply for humans and most other non-Dalek beings -- remember how grieved he was even for the poor Slitheen-abused pig in Aliens of London, and how he tried to comfort it as it died? That's the difference between Ten and Nine that I don't like, and it's got nothing to do with one being lighter than the other. I said before that Nine was a good person but not a nice one -- Ten is a "nice" person but not really much of a good one.

And you're welcome, Mauve, just doing my part. ;D I'm with you on probably picking the Fourth Doctor as the one I'd most like to run around time and space with.

[dposse]

Well, the tenth doctor often becomes rude without meaning to, as we saw in Tooth and Claw. It's different from 9, who meant being rude whenever he was.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

You know, I never actually "got" the Bad wolf references the first time around. They were a bit too vague to be noticable really. The Torchwood references on the otherhand on just blindingly obvious, but it's not as if they get in the way of anything really, or even really that important.

And Torchwood starts soon over here (just saw the first advert for it today), but the damned BBC is only putting it on BBC3, which is a pain in the arse because I can only get that channel on one TV, the one TV which I never get to watch because someone else is always hogging it!!

And FYI, Tooth and claw did explain everything about how the Lycan cells worked and how it came to earth. It even gave a plausible explaination for how the creature could morph with the on-set of the full moon and how there was a weapon to stop it. For clarification purposes though:

SPOILERS:
The Lycan crashed to earth hundreds of years earlier, but only a few cells survived so it needed time to regenerate (it's a Lycan, that's what they do). It took control of a human host for it's survival and a holy sect began worshiping it. The power went to it's head and it came up with the notion of world domination. Queen Victoria's husband, (sorry I'm no good on names of the royal family) and the guy who owned Torchwood estate (can't remember his name), discovered this and planned against it, just in case their worst fears became reality. They built the lazer to channel the moonlight, knowing that if the Lycan ever tried to attack the Queen it would have to be done during a full moon. The full moon (as the source of it's power), would therefore be the best thing around to kill it, by simply over-loading whatever energy it used. Now, the only reason why Queen Victoria would ever come here would be to get the diamond re-cut. This would of course mean that the diamond would be with here when/if the Lycan attacked. And what better item to use to refract moonlight for use as a weapon, but the most perfect diamond in the world?!

As for how the creature actually used moonlight for it's transformation, it was simply down to the unique light frequencies given off only by the full moon.

Simple really.:D

[Sky Warrior Bob]

I don't mind the new Doctor. I do however hate the scramble-thinking visual effect that they've done with him. I thought it was just an after effect of the excess Tardis energy in his system, however the library scene suggests this might something that re-occurs, and frankly I don't like it.

As for this episode, I liked it right up to the end. That's where it fell apart for me. I mean, I get the fact that this must be a set-up with a future werewolf episode, but honestly did Rose & the Doctor have to be so damn chipper about it. They could have easily changed the scenario so, right after the Queen got nicked, some of guards (they were drugged, right?) come up to prevent the Doctor from examining her, let alone question her.

Afterwards, Rose & the Doctor could second guess each other & have a was she bitten or not conversation. Making it clear they're at least a bit unsure. I mean otherwise, why wouldn't the Doctor immediatly follow-up & try to eliminate the wolf DNA before it got to be a problem several generations down the line.

Or does he do that? Admittedly, I'm only guessing about the future, having not seen or read anything about future episodes.

SWB

[DavidG]

I don't mind the new Doctor. I do however hate the scramble-thinking visual effect that they've done with him."Scramble-thinking visual effect"? Doesn't ring a bell.

[dposse]

You know, I never actually "got" the Bad wolf references the first time around. They were a bit too vague to be noticable really. The Torchwood references on the otherhand on just blindingly obvious, but it's not as if they get in the way of anything really, or even really that important.

And Torchwood starts soon over here (just saw the first advert for it today), but the damned BBC is only putting it on BBC3, which is a pain in the arse because I can only get that channel on one TV, the one TV which I never get to watch because someone else is always hogging it!!

And FYI, Tooth and claw did explain everything about how the Lycan cells worked and how it came to earth. It even gave a plausible explaination for how the creature could morph with the on-set of the full moon and how there was a weapon to stop it. For clarification purposes though:

SPOILERS:
The Lycan crashed to earth hundreds of years earlier, but only a few cells survived so it needed time to regenerate (it's a Lycan, that's what they do). It took control of a human host for it's survival and a holy sect began worshiping it. The power went to it's head and it came up with the notion of world domination. Queen Victoria's husband, (sorry I'm no good on names of the royal family) and the guy who owned Torchwood estate (can't remember his name), discovered this and planned against it, just in case their worst fears became reality. They built the lazer to channel the moonlight, knowing that if the Lycan ever tried to attack the Queen it would have to be done during a full moon. The full moon (as the source of it's power), would therefore be the best thing around to kill it, by simply over-loading whatever energy it used. Now, the only reason why Queen Victoria would ever come here would be to get the diamond re-cut. This would of course mean that the diamond would be with here when/if the Lycan attacked. And what better item to use to refract moonlight for use as a weapon, but the most perfect diamond in the world?!

As for how the creature actually used moonlight for it's transformation, it was simply down to the unique light frequencies given off only by the full moon.

Simple really.:D


Yeah, but i didn't find it as clear as just about everything in the 9th season. The 9th doctor explained everything in a very clear scifi manner, like SG1 does.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

"Scramble-thinking visual effect"? Doesn't ring a bell.

Lots of in & out zoom on the Doctor, just after he tosses the dimond back to the queen. 'My head, oh my head' While he's working out the plan of Torchwood Sr & the former King.

And I recall a similar scene in the Christmas Invasion where the Doctor went mental.

That's what I don't like. And two times suggests it might not be the last time this happens.

Yeah, but i didn't find it as clear as just about everything in the 9th season. The 9th doctor explained everything in a very clear scifi manner, like SG1 does.

First of all, while the 9th Doctor did do a better job of explaining things without going all mental, its very rude to compare his style to SG1. Both Doctors leave just enough unexplained so you've got to work it out for yourself. The 9th however had a bit better presentation. This current Doctor tends to get very hyper when he's trying to explain something, and thus making you want to tune him out. However, the full explaination is there.

SWB

[Genesis Epyon]

For me it was when the laird of the manor or whatever he was decided to sacrifice himself to buy the others some time, and Ten's just like "Whew! Thanks for taking one for the team, buddy, I owe you a Coke!" and hardly gives it a second thought after that. Nine would've let him do it too, but probably not without an argument, and definitely not without feeling the loss deeply. Ten certainly likes to talk about how much he just loves hyuumons-ah!!, but ultimately he's never really that broken up about it when they suffer or die -- when anyone suffers or dies, really, unless he perceives the persons or phenomena inflicting it as a challenge to his authority. Whereas Nine, for all the "styuupid apes" namecalling and the jerkery of which he was more than capable, really did care deeply for humans and most other non-Dalek beings -- remember how grieved he was even for the poor Slitheen-abused pig in Aliens of London, and how he tried to comfort it as it died? That's the difference between Ten and Nine that I don't like, and it's got nothing to do with one being lighter than the other. I said before that Nine was a good person but not a nice one -- Ten is a "nice" person but not really much of a good one.

And you're welcome, Mauve, just doing my part. ;D I'm with you on probably picking the Fourth Doctor as the one I'd most like to run around time and space with.

You raise an excellent point about the difference between the 9th and 10th Doctor incarnations, a very excellent point. The 9th Doctor was mean and rude, but didnt lack compassion.Except when it came towards the Daleks, his peoples most bitter enemy. But even then he showed compassion towards that Dalek who had mutated because of Rose's DNA. And the 10th, he's very cold. Dark even. Darker then the 9th Doctor ever was. I dont think the 9th Doctor would have killed the Alien Leader during the Christmas invasion even if he had broken his word and attacked him, unlike the 10th Doctor.

This brings to mind an earlier Doctor incarnation whome met his "supposed" evil 12th or 13th incarnation. Considering how his character is getting less good on the inside, seemingly, anyway, perhaps that possibilty can happen.

And personally, I'd rather travel with the 9th Doctor. His character carries a mad scientist quality that I like and share, and maybe he can answer the disturbing questions that come to my mind.

[Heliomance]

I really like Tennant as the 10th doctor. Unfortunately, I managed to miss the entire 9th doctor, so I can't comment on how good Eccelstone was, but I did feel that Tennant had a good character for the doctor.
[prepares to be flamed]

[Mike McC]

And the 10th, he's very cold. Dark even. Darker then the 9th Doctor ever was. I dont think the 9th Doctor would have killed the Alien Leader during the Christmas invasion even if he had broken his word and attacked him, unlike the 10th Doctor.No, I think Ninth Doctor would have done it. Ninth Doctor showed he was capable of killing people that harmed/killed others for thier own designs. Remember how he took care of the living plastic, Cassandra, the gas creatures, the Slitheen, and the alien at the end of The Long Game. Like Mashirosen said, Ninth Doctor was a good person, but not a nice one.

But it seems the Tenth Doctor would do it while smiling, and that's just not right.

[dposse]

The 10th Doctor shares something with the 9th doctors personality, in that he doesn't give second chances. For example, when that guy got a chip planted in his head and the 9th doctor just left it in his head as a punishment, and the 10th doctor after his little Highlander fight with the alien.

SWB: Sorry, i forgot that i was dealing with Doctor Who fanatics....

[Sky Warrior Bob]

SWB: Sorry, i forgot that i was dealing with Doctor Who fanatics....

Not a Doctor Who fanatic, I just really don't care for SG1. :)

SWB

[DavidG]

Lots of in & out zoom on the Doctor, just after he tosses the dimond back to the queen. 'My head, oh my head' While he's working out the plan of Torchwood Sr & the former King.

And I recall a similar scene in the Christmas Invasion where the Doctor went mental.

That's what I don't like. And two times suggests it might not be the last time this happens.Still doesn't sound familiar. Either you've got an edited version in America, or I just forgot about it (in which case it's probably not that annoying...)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Lots of in & out zoom on the Doctor, just after he tosses the dimond back to the queen. 'My head, oh my head' While he's working out the plan of Torchwood Sr & the former King.

And I recall a similar scene in the Christmas Invasion where the Doctor went mental.

That's what I don't like. And two times suggests it might not be the last time this happens.

I think I know what it is you mean, though I only remember it in tooth and Claw, not the Christmas Invasion. I can't remember it happening anywhere else though, just like DavidG, so it must just be something you and you alone have noticed and is slightly unhappy about. I don't think it's really a big issue.

[Mike McC]

And i agree, the Torchwood refernces are getting annoying because Americans will probably never get to see the spinoff.Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Sci-Fi picks it up, seeing as how Doctor Who was popular enough for them to pick up the second series.

[DavidG]

And if they don't, we Brits will gladly taunt you with spoilers.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

All I can say about Torchwood is, WHOO-HOO Captain Jack's back!!!!:) Just having him in it makes this ace. I do hope it explains how he got back from the year 200100 though....

And at some point it needs to re-introduce the Time Agency plot about him losing his memories, because they never did get a chance to cover any of that.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

I think I know what it is you mean, though I only remember it in tooth and Claw, not the Christmas Invasion. I can't remember it happening anywhere else though, just like DavidG, so it must just be something you and you alone have noticed and is slightly unhappy about. I don't think it's really a big issue.

Its very early on, actually coupled with the phrase 'the regeneration's gone wrong'. Where he goes back & forth about making the Tardis go faster. While the camera effects that were used in Tooth & Claw weren't used, but they might as well have been.

Both this moment in Tooth & Claw, and the Christmas Invasion have a very Gollum, Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings feel to them, and I can't say I care for it. I hope this is the last I see of it, but again there could be more to it.

SWB

[Genesis Epyon]

No, I think Ninth Doctor would have done it. Ninth Doctor showed he was capable of killing people that harmed/killed others for thier own designs. Remember how he took care of the living plastic, Cassandra, the gas creatures, the Slitheen, and the alien at the end of The Long Game. Like Mashirosen said, Ninth Doctor was a good person, but not a nice one.

But it seems the Tenth Doctor would do it while smiling, and that's just not right.

Oh yeah, I forgot about those incidents...

[Vivli]

It sounds like those cuts you're talking about are from the Children in Need special, not the actual Christmas episode.

I think I know what you mean. And I think it appears one other time in a later episode, if it is what you mean. (Being the Satan Pit, but I won't say anymore, 'cause I can't remember how to spoilerify text!).

The Torchwood references pay off in the series by the way, they're not done for the spin-off. So it's not just a cash in.

As for nine vs. ten, I see everybody's points, but I disagree that the tenth Doctor lacks compassion. Ninth could be startingly cold (if you remember the End of the World and Cassandra, watching her die...it doesn't become hard to believe he'd of killed the alien leader after he didn't keep his word in the Christmas Invasion after you consider that scene!).

I found the tenth doctor much gentler, easier to get on with, and generally a nicer person, even if he's prone to the occasional outrage. Wait until School Reunion, there's a great scene between the Doctor and Anthony Stewart Head that really helps make the character.

But yes, it's a difference of opinion, so I hope nobody feels I'm trying to say 'no your wrong, ten's better'. I just like him more personally. Seems I'm in a minority though.

Mind you, I liked Sylvester McCoy...

REALLY in the minoritiy...

Also, sorry I didn't reply for so long. I know some people said stuff in direct response to my post WAY back. I just haven't had the internet recently to be able to reply. Sorry about that, urr, if anybody cared.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Last night's episode was awesome, but damn did I wish the Doctor kept K-9 around. Instead, we end up as Mickey as a regular character.

...


I think I'm going to cry.

Of course, did anyone else think that when the Krillitane Mr Finch suggested that the Doctor would join with him, that we might get to see the birth of the Master? I mean, I'm not all that familar with the Master, aside from the fact that he's a Time Lord & some have suggested he's actually the Doctor's final incarnation.

See, given that we know that the Krillitanes take the best bits from the aliens they conquer, I could see Mr Finch taking over the Doctor's final incarnation & making it his own.

Crazy thought to pass my mind, but I admit given the way that Mr Finch wasn't squirming w/ pain when the oil hit him, I almost think he was completely different from the other Krillitanes, and might make a future appearance.

SWB

[Massacre]

Hey, if you don't see a body...

As for me, I'm glad that the world will always have a K-9.

Oh, and another thing... I don't The Doctor is really the last Timelord. Just the last one in THIS universe. Heh heh heh...

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

But Massacre, that would imply that they will have to go to another universe, and they have already used that whole idea up, as we can see by the end of this season, so I find that unlikely. I also think Finch is pretty much dead. That was a fairly decisive explosion. There again, I also thought Cassandra and Blon Fel-Fotch Slitheen were also dead beyond resurrection, and look what happened there!

Maybe he will come back, but I doubt he has anything to do with the Master.

[Vivli]

It's very unlikely Finch is related to the Master.

Although imagine if Anthony Stewart Head had PLAYED the Master. That would have been awesome!

But as for who the Master is, it was made pretty clear he was an ex-friend of the Doctor, I believe, but I haven't seen any of the really early episodes with him in, so I'm not certain how he was introduced and what as.

But it'd get very confusing for Finch to make the Master, since the Timelords got wiped out from all of time BEFORE Finch, but after most of the series, meaning that for Finch to have created the Master it'd have to take place before the wiping out of the Time Lords that occured from all of time itself which in itself is really confusing...

Yeah, okay, time travel makes no sense.

I think the creators said they wouldn't bring back the Master unless they could think of a REALLY awesome way to do it, since he's pretty much responsible for SO many cheesy/crappy episodes of the old series.

[DavidG]

On a vaguely related note, I've heard Derren Brown suggested as a possible actor for the Master...

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Torchwood thread is now up here. (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?p=449282#post449282)