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Mirai Gen
10-07-2006, 04:31 PM
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154239
You wouldn't realize it while playing with most of the jerks that play Halo 2, but 64% of the nation's 117 million online gamers are actually women, according to Nielsen Entertainment's third annual Active Gamer Benchmark Study, released this morning.
Wow.

What does fighter say?

My mind has officially been blown!

Okay, to be fair, it does say that it's not specific as to what they play. But the relevent issue here is that there's a good chance that Night Elf you're cybering with actually is a woman!

Azisien
10-07-2006, 04:34 PM
I imagine the study interpreted the results wrong and in fact, when people are cybering with Night Elves, they are in fact cybering with greased up, 300-lb ghost-white 30+ year old males. Said males are probably wearing wife beaters.

Either way, it's funnier my way.

ZAKtheGeek
10-07-2006, 04:36 PM
Here's a question: if they lie about their gender in-game, what makes you think they wouldn't do it for a survey?

CWheezy
10-07-2006, 04:58 PM
Man, all those guys I've played with on Halo 2 Must have been really deep voiced girls

Krylo
10-07-2006, 05:31 PM
Actually, chances are good you'd be cybering a guy anyway, because lots of women make male characters in order to avoid the whole creepy stalker internet guy thing that a lot of virgin nerds whip out, or they feel dirty accepting all that free stuff.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk
10-07-2006, 05:36 PM
What a load of crap! I'm sorry but I just can't believe the number is that high. It is a known fact that far more males play games then females. How often do you here girls talking about games in schools/work/anywhere? Not half as much as men, that's for sure. I'm not denying that they do play games, but there is no way that they outnumber guys by that much. I can't even really recall any girls I've ever known to have had even the slightest interest in games what so ever, except for my sister and my Aunt, and even then only slightly, but practically every guy I know or ever have known (or at the very least about 90% of them) plays or has played games at least for some small amount of time (I.E, they have at some point owned a console of some sort at one time or another).

People lie about their sex online. I have no fucking clue as to why, but they do. So there is no reason for them to be any more or less truthful on a survey. Hell people even lie on national census', by saying their religion is "Jedi"! (25% in case you're wondering)

Robert Paulson
10-07-2006, 05:56 PM
You're telling me 6.4 out of 10 online gamers, as in, majority rule, of all people who play video games on the internet are female? What universe did 1up.com get that stat from, 'cause I'd like to visit that place!

Okay, on a different note, I did know two girls in high school who were Everquest junkies. One of them was my drama teacher. And once, I heard a girl talk about how cute she thought Cloud and Aeris were together, but other than that, I've never heard a female talk about games ever. Hell, if you ask most women if they play games, they'll usually say, "No, videogames are for boys." "That's a boy's thing." That's stereotyping, I know, but in its own way, it's true. I don't know any women in person who are hardcore for games like me. I know several guys, but not a single girl who enjoys games. This place, as well as the other forum I frequent, is the only place where I've met women who are hardcore gamers like me. The only place. Amazing, is it not?

Anyways, I think this is just a desperate attempt to make it seem as though there is gender equality in the gaming world. Maybe there will be, twenty five years from now, but at present, this article is bogus.

Jagos
10-07-2006, 08:44 PM
You guys need to study other sources...

Online games could be games from MSN like Bejeweled. Most women that I know play games to just pass the time.

When you get into MMOGs there's more guys. I believe the article was backed up by Wired.

Personally, I saw some female drummers playing Drummania. And they were younger and a lot better than me... I cried that day.

Solid Snake
10-07-2006, 09:49 PM
Actually, chances are good you'd be cybering a guy anyway, because lots of women make male characters in order to avoid the whole creepy stalker internet guy thing that a lot of virgin nerds whip out, or they feel dirty accepting all that free stuff.

Somehow this reminded me of a time way back in the late 90's when I was playing an old-school Sierra MMORPG, and I had created a female character just to see what it'd be like to be hit on by the hordes of idiotic men (who I'd subsequently either kill or just shoot down verbally in an intentionally hysterical fashion), and then I met a particularly and amusingly persistant male character, and we actually did a bit of adventuring together, only to learn a few weeks after the fact that "he" was actually a woman.

So I guess we were, what, both crossdressing or something? Ironically after we both established our real OOC genders, I wasn't so afraid to act as a couple-of-sorts within the context of the game itself. It was amusing, and we cracked jokes by roleplaying our characters within the confines of our young, stereotypical perceptions of the opposite gender.

Anyway, I'm glad I got through my MMORPG phase quite some time ago; it was fun in 9th grade, though, when it damn near devoured my life. If any of you knew a "Kiron", a "Sarabu" or an "Arianna" way back in the day, though, you may have been playing an MMORPG with yours truly.

ZERO.
10-07-2006, 11:53 PM
Totally not true there is no way in hell 64 percent of online gamers are women.

No.

No.

By the way my friend showed me the joys of being a night elf and getting hit on.

It is a very good way to make money for a poor alt.

POS Industries
10-08-2006, 12:30 AM
Actually, it's not impossible from where I'm sitting. On average, I associate with more girls than guys (because that's who I'm more likely to walk up and talk to for obvious reasons), and most of the girls that I'm friends with are pretty hardcore gamers, and many of those girls play online games like World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, and Everquest.

As for the cybering with a night elf thing, Krylo's right and also, from my experience, most girls end up rolling Horde just so they don't get hit on as much as an orc or tauren.

Anyway, I'll admit that I don't think the number is really quite that high, but it's not exactly as ridiculous a notion as a couple of people here have made it seem.

mauve
10-08-2006, 12:43 AM
How often do you here girls talking about games in schools/work/anywhere? Well, to be fair, lots of girl gamers refrain from talking about it at work/school/anywhere BECAUSE it's generally accepted to be a "boy's game." Sometimes we're afraid to. Doesn't mean we don't play. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the given statistics, mind you, but we are out there. We're just not always as open about it as guys are.

Magus
10-08-2006, 01:13 AM
Besides, this also takes into account such games as Animal Crossing and Sims 2, which are definitely going to be played by far more women than men, and by lots of them. Add in a healthy dose of women playing WoW and other MMORPGs, not to mention FPS, and I could see this happening. Note that this IS 'online' gaming, not gaming in general.

Selfish
10-08-2006, 01:25 AM
I am a girl. I HATE the Sims. HATE THEM.

All of my girlfriends LOVE the Sims. They talk about how they have manipulated the world in such a way that their families grown and multiply.

I have drooled over WoW for the past year and a bit - ever since my buddy got the beta version. Couldn`t afford it. Not with the subscription, at any rate. So someone sold me a copy of the sims.

Argh.

LOVE the Ragnarok Online that Nuklear Power has graciously hosted. THIS is fun. Multiple player is awesome. I`d rather it this way.

I like giving stuff to new guys, whether boy or girl player/avatar, but feel uncomfortable taking it. And ya, there are a few suggestions to convo in a way that may not be seen as sympathetic to a regular friendship.
I don`t view it as wrong, just sometimes all you want to do is kill.

Just my take. :D

Rhino Man
10-08-2006, 02:15 AM
I'm not really certain how accurate those results are. Depending on the data collection method used a lot of people could lie on them and say they are women when in reality they are not just because they get a kick out of it.

While this doesn't stop there being ANY women, it would probably throw the exact percentage a fair amount.

ZERO.
10-08-2006, 02:27 AM
I am a girl. I HATE the Sims. HATE THEM.

All of my girlfriends LOVE the Sims. They talk about how they have manipulated the world in such a way that their families grown and multiply.

I have drooled over WoW for the past year and a bit - ever since my buddy got the beta version. Couldn`t afford it. Not with the subscription, at any rate. So someone sold me a copy of the sims.

Argh.

LOVE the Ragnarok Online that Nuklear Power has graciously hosted. THIS is fun. Multiple player is awesome. I`d rather it this way.

I like giving stuff to new guys, whether boy or girl player/avatar, but feel uncomfortable taking it. And ya, there are a few suggestions to convo in a way that may not be seen as sympathetic to a regular friendship.
I don`t view it as wrong, just sometimes all you want to do is kill.

Just my take. :D

I... I think I love you.

POS Industries
10-08-2006, 02:33 AM
I... I think I love you.

Woooooah, hang on there, Don Juan... It's that sort of behavior that leads to...

Well, to be fair, lots of girl gamers refrain from talking about it at work/school/anywhere

If you want them to stick around, don't bleeding scare them off!

ZERO.
10-08-2006, 02:38 AM
Woooooah, hang on there, Don Juan... It's that sort of behavior that leads to...

Well, to be fair, lots of girl gamers refrain from talking about it at work/school/anywhere


If you want them to stick around, don't bleeding scare them off!

Damn, you got a point there.

Forget I said anything.

Mirai Gen
10-08-2006, 03:12 AM
Don't be too harsh on Zero. It's nice to see a girl who says, "Fuck the Sims," on occasion.

And to respond to everyone else - The study did say it didn't specify what they were playing. I just thought it was entirely too amusing of a topic to not bring up.

Sithdarth
10-08-2006, 07:27 AM
In every online game I have ever played for more than two weeks I have become good friends with at least one female, usually a married one. That and met several others. About a thrid or more of my WoW guild is actually female and half of them are part of a husband/wife duo that play together. The percentages are even higher in EVE online for the corporation I'm in. So the conclusion to draw here is that I'm insanely luckly or the figures really aren't that far off.

Its a mistake to assume that because not many females near you don't like games that its the same everywhere. There could in fact be places where the percentage of female gamers is high. If these places occured in high population areas where guys are more likely to be spending all their time on sports I can see how the numbers could get up there. Not to mention the population from about the age of 20 and up is mostly female because guys tend to kill themselves doing stupid stuff.

As for he lieing thing they have ways around that. Don't ask me to quote it but there are statistical studies on generally how many people are expected to lie during statistical studies. From those they've compilied all sorts of complex math to help keep the results true. Also, by increasing sample size you generally decrease the effect of the people the lie.

MentorOfMinos
10-08-2006, 08:40 AM
She was a psycho raider like I used to be when I was in Blackdawn (a high end raid guild). I met this girl--who shall remain nameless--a few months after I quit playing WoW to pursue school and a career and I realized from watching her addiction to it how horribly addicted I was myself when I used to play. The girl pulled frequent all-nighters for raids, her room was a trash heap of dirty clothes, used food containers, schoolwork, books, and miscellaneous girl stuff. Somehow she managed to remain very attractive and in really good shape despite never lifting a finger to do exercise at all. So I suppose by the time she's 30, her metabolism will have crashed and she'll be in dire straits.

Additionally, the 2nd-in-command for my WoW guild (the guild leader's wife) was also a girl, and she was also insanely hardcore into the game. I don't know how anyone who plays that much finds time for reading assignments or homework, but I certainly couldn't hack it in medical school if I were blasting through hours a day on a game like that.

I'm all for computer games, I'm just strongly pro-gym and pro-gothehelloutside as well. Chances are the girls you're meeting in MMORPGs are probably diseased in much the way these women are. In addition, as has been previously stated, many women make male characters to avoid being perved on. Lastly, even in the off chance that you ARE playing with a female, dude, look at the statistics for male gamers...most of them are overweight, greasy, and socially awkward. What makes you think that female gamers are going to be any different? It's just another male fantasy that there are droves of hot, sexy, willing women who are looking to be jack-hammered by your member. Give it up, do some sit ups, and get a gal the old-fashioned way: club her over the head and drag her by the hair back to your cave. XD

Selfish
10-08-2006, 08:50 AM
I... I think I love you.


Awwww... that is SO SWEET.

I love games where you have to think it through, and also arcade styles. Don`t like first person shoot em ups so much, although Wolfenstein was tops in my world for a few weeks.

Mmorgs seem to be the ultimate in gaming experience, though. I love being able to go about my business, interact when I want to. Hunting is fun, too.
You have to use your brain and your reflexes in this kind of game... not just oh...there`s another soldier. I crouch and kill. The ai in some games is better than others, I like a randomness to it.

Also zero, interesting fact: I also read and write leet, although it is a terrible language. LOL - So: put your hand on a hot stove for 4 minutes, and it seems like 4 hour. Sit with a pretty girl for 4 hour, and it seems like 4 minutes. that`s relativity.
What a cute signature. I expect that you already know that we share the same birthday, too. What a coinkidink, eh?

Going back to topic: I don`t really comment too much on what I play at home, although it is a techno kind of place. My cellmat...er co workers all play either WoW or another type of massive. Sometimes between hearing angry people yell at us we swap stats and suggestions.
My heart really was into the whole WoW experience, but I think its actually better on the server here. No n00bs. Newbies, ya, but no a$$holes.

My whole essence wishes to have a tabletop rpg, though. I want my dnd back! wah!

Fifthfiend
10-08-2006, 08:53 AM
Well, to be fair, lots of girl gamers refrain from talking about it at work/school/anywhere BECAUSE it's generally accepted to be a "boy's game." Sometimes we're afraid to. Doesn't mean we don't play. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the given statistics, mind you, but we are out there. We're just not always as open about it as guys are.

What's all that 'we' business Mauve, we all know you're secretly a guy here for all the HAWT CYBAR AXXXTION.

greed
10-08-2006, 09:13 AM
Hawk, that jedi thing was 10% in Australia I didn't know it got elsewhere.


AnotherOne I'm gonna chime in with Mirai and Zero, it is just good to see a girl who hates The Sims, don't ever change.

Though to be fair there is one thing it's good for. (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=122)

Edit for Great Ontopification: I can sort of believe this, though I'd think it would be lower myself.

BitVyper
10-08-2006, 10:55 AM
There's a decent chance the study just looked at account information. I wonder what percentage of online gamers are over two hundred years old and live in Baator.

Rhino Man
10-08-2006, 11:44 AM
My whole essence wishes to have a tabletop rpg, though. I want my dnd back! wah!


I want my DnD to begin with... nobody plays it in Canada.

h4x.m4g3
10-08-2006, 12:03 PM
Ok, it seems some people did not fully read the article here. Let me point out some things that make this study inacurate/null and void etc.

1. The study was only done in Australia.
2. Flash games were counted as online games. So this isn't just confined to MMOs.
3. The Sample Size was only 2,200 "Active Gamers" 13 years or older.

So out of 2,2000 Active Gamers 13 years or older in Australia who might play flash games way too much, 64% were women. Seems pretty inaccurate to say 64% of MMO players across the world are women now doesn't it.

Man I hate overblown surveys.

Mesden
10-08-2006, 12:12 PM
Indeed. Survey's off on the whole, but that doesn't change the fact that some people here are overblowing what they think to be fact.

And yeah, I'm with Anone on just about all of it. ;)

Magus
10-08-2006, 12:48 PM
She was a psycho raider like I used to be when I was in Blackdawn (a high end raid guild). I met this girl--who shall remain nameless--a few months after I quit playing WoW to pursue school and a career and I realized from watching her addiction to it how horribly addicted I was myself when I used to play.

To be offtopic like everyone else, why is everyone addicted to MMORPGs? I find them inanely boring.

Lastly, even in the off chance that you ARE playing with a female, dude, look at the statistics for male gamers...most of them are overweight, greasy, and socially awkward. What makes you think that female gamers are going to be any different?

Man, who WOULDN'T want to tap that?

I fourth (I think we're up to that) this hatred of the Sims. I hate non-games, and that's seriously one of the biggest offenders, or at least the most popular. Unless your goal is to kill them all off in a fire. I can respect that.

Mirai Gen
10-08-2006, 01:29 PM
Indeed. Survey's off on the whole, but that doesn't change the fact that some people here are overblowing what they think to be fact.
Honestly, this topic's article was just a humorous way to bring up the subject.

I'm not looking for debate here.

Lockeownzj00
10-08-2006, 02:20 PM
I'd just like to say, regardless of the veracity of this study, I think it's pretty darned hilarious that basically everyone's knee simultaneously jerked and responded with "impossible, impossible!" I have a feeling most of you didn't even read the article, actually. You have a preconceived notion of gamers: male.Actually, one poster said, "It is a known fact," basically negating the point of ever re-evaluating something.

I don't know if it's 64%, but I would say it's a lot higher than you'd think. What is it that you think girls do, exactly? Between all the shopping and the lesbian sex they have no time for games? What do you do in your free time? I have a strange feeling that pretty much anyone who's bored, in our day and age, is going to turn to videogames. I've got a hunch that 90% of the hullabaloo and theories about women gamers is missing the point.

The rampant popularity of WoW alone has brought a surprising number of females into the mix--the late 20s-40s demographic of women, ever since Everquest has been slowly creeping upwards. Think about it: if you are a housewife, and you don't like soaps that much, and, hey, here's a world you can escape into between diaper changes, why wouldn't you? I've observed casually that more than ever, this generation of MMORPGs (specifically WoW) has a huge amount of couples-husbands/wives playing (as others have already mentioned).

Statistical studies are flawed, yes. But christ, people, what is your inherent aversion to numbers? Afraid that they quantify something that you want to be nebulous? They're not all hacks, and probability is pretty damn...well, probable. They factor in likelihood of fluctuation and stuff like that. This isn't something to tattoo on your back, but it's something to think about. What would you say if an article came out that proved absolutely scientifically that videogames slowly give you cancer (through a combination of careless practices in manufacturing since the beginning of the games industry)? Would you reject the claim simply because you want it to be the other way?

Mirai Gen
10-08-2006, 02:39 PM
I don't know if it's 64%, but I would say it's a lot higher than you'd think. What is it that you think girls do, exactly? Between all the shopping and the lesbian sex they have no time for games? What do you do in your free time? I have a strange feeling that pretty much anyone who's bored, in our day and age, is going to turn to videogames.
I do agree with the overall post, but I just have to say, this is very much not true.

You say, "What do you do in your free time?"

You're asking the video gaming area of NPF. Isn't that a bit redundant?

I doubt people really understand just how much time non-gamers have to spend.. To say that there are a vast majority of women who don't game is telling the blatant truth. To say that this number is small is what's stretching it.

So, no, I don't think that anyone in our day is going to go play a game. Us as gamers don't think much about other things that can be done, but there is alot.

Felt the need to say that.

EDIT: Also, while I'm at it, I'm just going to throw out the fact that this topic was humorous to begin with. I even started the topic the ever-famous Night Elf chick (guy) example. I don't think everyone's being 100% serious when they say "OMG NO WAI!"

Lockeownzj00
10-08-2006, 02:59 PM
I meant more, people in our demographic--early teens to late mid-20s. Any person "our" age who has at least an average aount of free time will probably play videogames to some degree. We're more "hardcore" about it, sure--but I still think you underestimate the power of not only casual gaming, but boredom.

Mirai Gen
10-08-2006, 03:56 PM
Perhaps. But this is the generation raised on "Put down the video games! Go read a book!" I honestly have seen enough non-gamers to believe that gaming isn't just a time-killer everyone turns to once or twice. Some people are very resilliant about it.

Some of us are just rebels, which I guess is this circle in NPF.

Mesden
10-08-2006, 04:18 PM
Well, Mirai, to just put it from my perspective, in Hickland USA, I can't say I've met someone who doesn't play one game sometime or another.

Jocks? Definitely. Preps? All of them bask in how many games they can afford and brag about. Beauty prom queens? I swear, Sims is infectious amongst them.

For the mid teens to 20s, I'd say that most people do turn to games as free time killers, generally at night time. Or heck, just as something to do when there's nothing on TV.

What else would they do? Their homework? Haha, yeah right.

Magus
10-08-2006, 04:36 PM
What is it that you think girls do, exactly? Between all the shopping and the lesbian sex they have no time for games?

Well, that's the best case scenario, yeah.

Anyway, most sociological studies are only done with 2000-3000 surveys, for anyone thinking that this was not a high enough numer. As long as it is picked at random from the population (here being gamers) it is considered valid to apply to everyone in the overall population. The only thing that's wrong with it is if you want to see what it is for AMERICANS or CANADIANS you have to do the same surveys in those countries, as you can't really apply Australia's results to the other countries.

Khael!
10-08-2006, 07:38 PM
Very true, that. I mean, here's my experience:
This Anime club we have at our school, which is a loose name for the "anime junkies, gamers, artists, nerds and other unidentifiable outcasts of the social demographic" club. There's about thirty of us on a good day. The girls outnumber the guys at a ratio of at least 2:1, and I know every single one of them is a huge gamer, be it online or just one player.

A lot of them do like sims admittedly - because they're flammable and get trapped indoors by ill-placed vases! Oh, how I do love a good roast.

Many of my female friends are the ones who introduce me to new free online games, and get me to party with them for leveling awesomness. Maybe I'm too lazy to look or something, but, hey! And they're not overweight ar anything either. Skinny gamers do exist. :p


"I want my DnD to begin with... nobody plays it in Canada."

SO NOT TRUE! They're just well hidden. I got me a Level eight Bard who's survived four years of gaming, and a level two Drow fighter who's gonna snap people's necks someday. We had seven people in our party once upon a time, not including our DM.

mauve
10-08-2006, 08:04 PM
What's all that 'we' business Mauve, we all know you're secretly a guy here for all the HAWT CYBAR AXXXTION. Damn. You found me out. :p

Khael!
10-08-2006, 08:18 PM
Oh sure, and I'm Debrah.

I've found a lot of guys on the mmo's I once played never took girls seriously. It was horrible and funny, because I always offered to party with them and pk the guys in vengeance. They were so nice to me.

:bmage: "NO I WAS NOT UNDRESSING YOU WITH THE POWERS OF MY MIND!"

Solid Snake
10-08-2006, 09:25 PM
I will say, on an only slightly related note, that I'm reminded of a quote from a good (female) friend of mine, Rachel, who's an avid MMORPGer (more so than I'll ever be...) "If you're looking for a girl in WoW, you have a better chance interacting with the male characters than the female ones." (Obviously not what she said word for word, but it's close enough.) It's definitely been true through my limited observation that most women who play MMORPGs like to shield their identities by playing as male characters, or unattractive characters.

In fact, most "attractive female characters" in WoW are probably either really desperate, ugly women IRL, or gay men, or heterosexual men looking for laughs and a bit of free money. I'm not sure why anyone would want to meet a cute girl over WoW, but if you ever felt a desire to, you'd probably have better luck developing bonds with the "men" and the "ugly chicks" in the game.

As for the statistic: I wouldn't say the stats should be as high as 64%, but I'm actually not surprised. The thing is, I think much more gamers as a whole are men, but the vast majority of women who do play video games probably play 'em online, whereas most men -- like myself, for instance -- are more the loner types. The vast, vast majority of games I play are single-player RPG, FPS and RTS experiences. I rarely, if ever, go online for my gaming needs, because I'm a solitary kind of gamer. I like to curl up to my Final Fantasy and play alone; it's sort of my way of escapism, and going online actually defeats the purpose for me. After spending a long day among friends, family and coworkers, I turn to videogaming precisely because I desire the isolation, the quiet mental stimulation.

On the flip side, when I think of women gamers -- and yes, this is obviously stereotypical -- I think the only way most women I know would play a videogame was if it were online, or at least had certain social components. Women are more into constant interaction than guys. So if a girl plays a game out of boredom, she wants it to be one where she's interacting with all her friends, or meeting new people. My mother, for example, plays AOL poker online because she enjoys beating complete strangers, and chatting with them as she defeats them. Ask her to play poker against the computer, and she doesn't see the point.

So I think it's less about tons of women gaming in general, and more about online gaming, in particular, fulfilling more of what women would desire in a videogame. Overall, I still think when it comes to the gaming population as a whole -- including the much larger offline, single-player realm of gaming -- is predominantly male. Most women I know don't enjoy single player games. When they're bored, many of them look for something socially stimulating, and Final Fantasy or Metal Gear Solid won't exactly fill that void.

Laramon
10-09-2006, 09:05 AM
Like JC123 said, this encompasses all online games, not just FPSs or MMOGs, etc. Most of my female friends play some form of game online, whether it be on Yahoo! Games, MSN Zone, or EQ.

Most of my girlfriends have played games online. EQ/WoW/Yahoo!/Fairyland/etc. Heck, I met my fiancee in EQ. And she plays D&D. And she kicks my butt at PS2 fighting games. Beat that.

ArlanKels
10-09-2006, 04:57 PM
Does this count old women who are playing those free downloadable games from yahoo/etc?

Eh..nevermind, just looked at the wickerpie above me and saw the answer.
Accursed pie. Accursed pie.


A massive amount of women play at www.pogo.com, or supposedly according to the gender attributes chosen. I wouldn't be shocked to find that it's very much a "housewife gamer" thing.

BitVyper
10-09-2006, 06:42 PM
I was going to mention Pogo, actually. However, I tend to believe that a lot of them are men just because of the way people act there(80% of them are kids talking about how big their dicks/boobs are). That's not considering the housewife category, which a lot of them also fall into though.

I shouldn't knock the site though. It's because of an insanely good checkers player I met there that I've gotten as good at the game as I am now.

I don't know if it's 64%, but I would say it's a lot higher than you'd think.

I agree. I've made quite a few good girl friends (in the platonic sense, of course) online.

Edit: As for "real" girls playing male characters in MMORPGs, I don't think it's as true as some believe. I mean, I've certainly seen it done to avoid the nonsense, but more often than not, I've found that "primary" characters tend to be the player's own gender. That's just personal experience though.

Edit: Also, I think the "online gamers are all inevitably fat, greasy, and ugly irl" stereotype is unhealthy for everyone. It's not entirely untrue; you do tend to meet more social misfits online, but it's nowhere near as true as people like to think. Personally, I've only actually found that one or two of my online friends have weight issues irl, and not all that bad.

Mondt
10-09-2006, 07:07 PM
You know what? I just realized that I don't know one girl in real life who plays MMOs or online FPSs. Most of the time I hang out with girls more than guys due to the lack of the "soopper peenus joke lawl!" stuff.

Actually, come to think it, I don't know many online gmaers at all.

*is sad*

BlackMageGirl!
10-09-2006, 11:30 PM
Edit: Also, I think the "online gamers are all inevitably fat, greasy, and ugly irl" stereotype is unhealthy for everyone. It's not entirely untrue; you do tend to meet more social misfits online, but it's nowhere near as true as people like to think. Personally, I've only actually found that one or two of my online friends have weight issues irl, and not all that bad.
Well, it is definitely true that the sterotype of "gamers = ugly" is a load of bull. What I found is that most gamers don't hold their looks/personality/attractiveness in high regard, or that they're social recluses IRL.

It's not too surprising for me to hear that lots of girls play games. Pretty much all of my girlfriends did, and often if I mention the more popular games other girls I wouldn't have pinned as gamers would add in their own comments on the gameplay. In reality, it's more about location and the type of game involved.

IvAnDur
10-10-2006, 01:58 PM
I know at least 3 girls who play either console or online games or a mix of both. It's not so rare anymore to know a female gamer, but yes it seems a bit far fetched that 64% of online gamers are women. I suppose it makes more sense with the whole pogo.com thing, but I rather doubt that that same 64% is playing Halo 2.

Demetrius
10-12-2006, 03:36 AM
I'd like to take this moment to agree with Magus, I find nothing more boring than an MMORPG or any RPG for that matter, also in that catagory is SIMs suck. I think video games are just something to do to pass the time when you feel like gaming, same as reading a book, lifting wieghts, napping, taking a walk, etc.. In todoy's society it is no longer 'nerdy', that has passed on to anime for the most part. In that same vein gamers are no longer the social cast aways and funny looking people they were in yesteryear. Ok that was about it I'm kinda sleepy and can't form coherent sentances anymore, but I meant to make a point, honest!

Magus
10-12-2006, 03:07 PM
Well the amount of people interested in anime is increasing as well, so eventually considering it strange will fall shorter as well. As generations die off, things once considered deviant are considered normal and new things are found to find strange or socially inept. Video games are simply a free time activity in lieu of watching television for me. It's not as if I don't read plenty of books to pass the time or hang out with my friends as well.