Impropriety...

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

.... Ok, so a friend of mine has just gotten a boob job. To put it bluntly, you will DEFINITELY notice her in a mall now.

However, twice in two weeks she has been asked if she was a stripper. Once she was asked if she would strip privately (after saying she wasn't a stripper), and twice she has been asked to pose nude for photos for money.

So, a question... if a girl has fake boobs, why do people think she's a whore?

Please, keep the flaming down, she's reading this.

[I_Like_Swordchucks]

Because there a lot of guys that are pigs, and they're drawn to big breasts like moths to a flame? So... its not that they THINK she's a whore... its that they HOPE she is.

Also, a stripper isn't the same thing as a prostitute (whore), and there are a disgusting number of girls that are perfectly willing to bare themselves for enough money.

On another note... I'm curious. Most girls get fake breasts to get noticed. Now she's being noticed, so wouldn't than mean the surgery worked? Why complain?

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

She didn't get them to be noticed, she got them because she's wanted them for a long time. She would just like to be treated as a human, not as a human "who got fake boobs to be noticed".

Also, a whore sells her body for money.... don't get me wrong, I like strippers (the ones who aren't cracked out and high while dancing), but approaching someone in a mall and asking if she'd strip for money after she just told you she had a regular day job seems a little over the top.

Ok, so I went over the top on the "whore", maybe, but she is PIIIII-IIIIssed about it.

But, you may have summed up the entire issue in your first line...

EDIT: From a conversation with a friend just now... "And if giant boobs makes her feel good about herself, then she is going by the assumption that girls with big boobs get more in life, so she's doing it for the attention that they get..." .... what? I'm trying to lose weight, not so people will pay attention to me, but so that I'll be happy when I look in the mirror. However, that logic is IMPOSSIBLE to apply to someone who wants to, in this case, gain weight? In, er... specific areas?

[Bells]

i actually think that this applies to all male retards...

mind you that your friend dindt talked to all men... only a few... and those, are indeed, probably "social retards"... thus, why they act like that...

Also, in all fairness, at least to some extent your friend did this Boob job to get more attention from the male part, right? So, its really a side-effect... with the good part, comes some of the bad part

a lot of guys are really just numbskulls who like to see porn sites about fake auditions, girls being semi-rape on Vans, and other nasty stupid stuff... so as they probably lack the skill to talk, aproach or relate to girls that stand out (Big clevage, big boobs, big ass, exotic clothing) they resort to "Show me boobie me give u monie"

[Azisien]

Social double standard. Women (predominantly) are severely pressured into fitting a very narrow societal standard of 'attractive,' and often punished/labelled if they go through with it (whore, easy, shallow, etc).

The details have been left out, but given the information I have, I think I can safely say getting a boob job is a good way to get men to not treat you like a person, and instead treat you like boobs and ass. So, it may have been working contrary to the goal...

[I_Like_Swordchucks]

a lot of guys are really just numbskulls who like to see porn sites about fake auditions

You mean those aren't real??? :( *sees world crumbling down around him*

Just kidding. Really.

But yeah, if she wanted to be treated as a human, getting bigger breasts is usually not the way to do it. It makes brings out the horny prick in guys, and makes her get treated like a piece of meat. I feel bad that us male types are such assholes, I really do, but if I see a hot girl with big breasts... I see a hot girl with big breasts. Except I'm actually nice and I don't offer them money to take off their clothes. I treat them out to an expensive dinner instead.

And in case you didn't notice, I'm bullshitting like anything right now. Your friend just needs to get used to the fact that guys are assholes, and that they're more whoreish than she'll ever be, and she'll be fine.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

She has resigned herself to it, but that doesn't stop her from being mad.

Sure, you might think she's a stripper. Sure, you might think she has a nekkid website (she doesn't). But at what point do you stop treating people with respect and dignity?

Apparently somewhere past the E cup.

[Flarecobra]

That's about it really. Popular society has pretty much set this equasion into everyone's heads: Girl+Big boobs=Sex worker. Now I'm sure that there's some deeper psycheratic reason behind it, but I'm just a Marine. Not a phychlogist.

[Bells]

Well... you know... about being confused with a stripper... something i must say is that sometimes is not about how her body looks... but sometimes is about her looks... clothing, makeup, acessories... stuff like that...

So, she might wanna take a look into that just to be sure

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

She dresses a hell of a lot more conservatively than the other girls at the mall, and the ones with big natural boobs sure didn't get propositioned to pose nude or strip privately...

Yes, as a friend pointed out, it is her onus to accept the consequences of her actions, but the consequences are "Guys are idiots", which is not so much her fault, as... the fact that guys choose to over-ride those urges that say "women are people" and go with the one that says "wow, I bet the slut attached to that rack would get freaky for a thousand bucks".

Double-standards, I know.

[Preturbed]

Apparently somewhere past the E cup.
Good Lord! Are you implying that she went past the E cup?

I apologize in advance if this offends you or your friend, but if she needs large breasts to look in the mirror and feel good, the problem is as much internal as it is external. There are tons of ways to "become more attractive," and most of them are natural. The desire for oversized breasts may be a result of popular media, but I and everyone I consider intelligent stopped caring about the media's and society's standards quite a while ago.

It is a well established fact that men are pigs. This should have been taken into consideration before going forward with the surgery. On the plus side, she now has a really easy way of discerning the big pigs from the little ones.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Implying, hell. Flat out saying it.

I'm reaosnably sure she stopped caring about popular media, since popular media would have been telling her that "big boobs means you're a stripper". Popular media would have wanted her to drop down to a size zero, stop having opinions, and find a rich guy to marry.

Men are pigs... should she be made to suffer because men are pigs?

[Preturbed]

Implying, hell. Flat out saying it.

There is a point where you stop attracting regular men and start drawing fetishists.

[Azisien]

Is that a rhetorical question? Would you actually want a 'yes' from that?

But honestly, that big of a boob job seems excessive. It makes me question the 'wanting to be treated as a human being' as being the 'reason' for the surgury.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

..... what? When did I say that the reason for the surgery was "to be treated like a human being"? She had ALWAYS been treated like a human being. She wants to CONTINUE being treated like a human being, because the only thing that has changed is that her shirts are tighter.

Ok, let's slightly modify the issue of the thread... she is being treated very disrespectfully. Everyone here is either defending it, or explaining why she should just "suck it up". Why?

Ready for my rant ? WHY THE HELL is it sooooo hard for people to believe that I got these huge boobs FOR MYSELF AND MYSELF ONLY - *NOT* TO MAKE MONEY - AND *NOT* FOR ATTENTION - BUT FOR ******ME******* GODDAMNIT!!!!!! Why don't people understand this for Christ's sake ??! Take someone who fixes up their car.....new paint job, new stereo system, shiny ass rims - they put thousands into their CAR and for what?? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THEY LIKE. Same thing with my tits.....I love how they look, love how they feel, LOVE EM, so why the hell wouldn't I get them for myself???! Most of these people who fix up their rides and are pretty much obsessed, don't make any money off of their cars, put them in car shows or whatever....no, they just pimp their rides because they like how that shit looks. So I just don't understand why people don't fuckin understand that it's the same type deal with my boobs. I'm not interested in making money off of them. My expensive breast implants bring me pleasure and joy just from having them in my body, seriously. Making money off of them is the least of my concerns.

Ok, rant over .

[I_Like_Swordchucks]

Nobody's saying its right for it to happen. You asked why it happen, I believe I answered. The thing is, what can be done about it? What should she do about it? And as far as I can tell, there is nothing that CAN be done.

I'm not an advocate of breast implants. I believe that most people are perfectly attractive as they are, and I'll bet your friend was just as hot before the surgery as after. I'd like to understand why she GOT the surgery, because it seems like a drastic change.

As for the defending those guys, we're all agreeing they are assholes, and not making any excuses for their horrible behavior. But the fact exists that there ARE and will ever more be assholes. If having big breasts makes her a target of those assholes, and having big breasts was indeed, her choice, then there is little she can do other THAN suck it up. I feel bad for her, but thats how the die fell, so to speak.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Well, we agree on pretty much all those points. I've said about ten times why she got the surgery, but people seem to be glossing over it, but on every other point, we agree.

All right, I'm done my research.... you all continue to discuss, if you want.

[Azisien]

She didn't get them to be noticed, she got them because she's wanted them for a long time. She would just like to be treated as a human, not as a human "who got fake boobs to be noticed".

Is where the misconception occurred.

Though resigning ourselves to saying "things can never change" is probably one of the primary reasons things won't change. There will be assholes, yes, but this also goes far beyond assholes, it goes into the realm of social constructs. Even really nice people can have prejudices.

Now, the way the information has been given, it sounds like you can noticeably tell she's had a boob job (since people don't treat girls with naturally large breasts the same way?). I'd say it's at the very least commonly assumed two major groups of people who get boob jobs are a) strippers or b) porn stars. That, and >E cup probably draws in the fetish group I'd say, it's pretty unruly...

[Preturbed]

Have her call Dr. Drew, if they're still doing that sex talk radio show.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Ok, I can sort of see how you read that. My bad. Cleared that up, I hope. Cool.

Social constructs are the problem, but the fundamental issue, not just for this but for nearly ALL problems in the world, is respect. Treating everyone properly. True, it seems a little frivolous to be extending the issue to people treating her like an object because of her rack (and yes, it's VERY noticeable...)

Also, I wouldn't say my group is unruly. Some of us, maybe, but not all of us. Even so, with a 90% asshole ratio, she only has about 40 million more guys in the area to tell off. Shouldn't take long... :)

[Bells]

Just to clarify... how big of a change are we talking here?

She is beyond E now? But what was she before the implants? That actually matters... Body types y'know

This is rather personal... but i cant really understand someone doing this "only" for themselves... i mean... sorry if i sound offensive... but what is she going to do? Stare at them all day long? Play with them all d.... hum... lets skip that one for now... u.u'

I guess its from a guy's point of view... i wouldnt just shave my back, ass, chest or getting a bigger penis just "Foh Meeeeeeeeeeeeee!!" ... probably because values are different about this... but i cant just sink that idea of hers in yet...

And i really cant say that "the" society is bad, or that "men" are stupid... we're not outside the box... i am part of that society, and i am "man"... lets face it... we are so stupid we suck o.õ .... the difference is that some of us actually stand out, not acting like total assholes in front of women...

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Well, I didn't mean everyone.... just the vast, vast, vast majority.

And before, she was firm-bodied, sort-of-plump (fat by TV standards, but below the actual average), tanned, and pretty cute.

You think that do get it done, she has to have a specific set PURPOSE for them. If you shave, do you do it so that you don't look like an unshaven bum, or so that people will stare at your face and admire the cleanliness? Do you get a tan because you think you'd look good with a tan, or so people will stare at your skin? Do you buy a nice shirt because you like it, or so that people will stare and go "Thats an AWESOME shirt! Can I touch it?"

It's a matter of personal appearance, and my mind, it is BLOWN, that people can't understand that. Yes, it's drastic..... so?

[I_Like_Swordchucks]

Hmm... actually I shave so other people don't THINK I'm a bum. I hate shaving. I also get a tan, because my girlfriend tells me I'm better looking tan than pale. I buy a nice shirt because I want girls to look at me and be attracted rather than disgusted by my lack of taste.

I got breast implants because I wanted to feel more attractive to men. Well... no I didn't. But usually, thats the reason why. Personal appearance is exactly that... appearance. How you look to other people. You don't have to stare at yourself all day long, but other people have to put up with seeing what is you.

If its a matter of appearance, then she obviously must have felt she was more attractive that way. And the assholes happen to agree. I'm sorry, I cannot buy someone getting a drastic, RISKY, procedure done simply because they wanted to. There's got to be a reason somewhere that she felt that she was better with than without (which she wasn't, by the way). You were right when you said nothing has changed except her shirt got tighter, but why did she want the shirt to get tighter? The only explanation that makes sense to me is to appear more attractive. Now she's appearing more attractive, except mostly to the assholes and perverts. C'est la vie.

And yeah, society is the problem. However, if it wasn't for society, your friend probably wouldn't have felt compelled to get breast enhancements anyway. And thats what they are. Enhancements. By enhancing your breasts, you're making them stand out. Thats what enhancing does. I don't agree with guys asking her to strip, and they shouldn't ask her to strip, and they're perverted freaks for doing so, but in getting breast implants, it comes with the package, so to speak.

[Fifthfiend]

I for one think it's terrible the way people are treating this dear young lady and frankly we all of us have a great deal to learn from her in the way of appropriate conduct and self control and civil, respectful treatment of our fellow human beings and by the way she's got a phone number, right? Seriously dude hook a guy up over here, moderators got needs.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

If its a matter of appearance, then she obviously must have felt she was more attractive that way. And the assholes happen to agree. I'm sorry, I cannot buy someone getting a drastic, RISKY, procedure done simply because they wanted to. There's got to be a reason somewhere that she felt that she was better with than without (which she wasn't, by the way). You were right when you said nothing has changed except her shirt got tighter, but why did she want the shirt to get tighter? The only explanation that makes sense to me is to appear more attractive. Now she's appearing more attractive, except mostly to the assholes and perverts. C'est la vie.
Of course she got it done for her appearance. She likes her appearance more now. She feels she is more attractive. Nowhere in there is she asking guys to harass her. Do you feel that attractive women who get raped "asked for it" by dressing sexily? That's physical abuse... sure, it's a step beyond emotional / verbal abuse, but that's what it boils down to.

And sorry, Fifth... wrong state. Otherwise, maybe!

Also... who are you to say that she didn't feel better with them, than without? Can you read her mind? Do you know her thoughts? Or are you just taking the moral high ground, and making sure no-one else can?

Ok, so now she's more attractive. To very very attractive people with "normal" figures get asked to pose nude by strangers in a mall?

However, if it wasn't for society, your friend probably wouldn't have felt compelled to get breast enhancements anyway.
Prove that, and I will admit you're right.

[Fifthfiend]

Shit dude I got a car, I can book a plane flight, fuckin' hook a guy up, over here! I needs me that sweet action, yo!

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Shit dude I got a car, I can book a plane flight, fuckin' hook a guy up, over here! I needs me that sweet action, yo!
That is harassment!!! I'll have her lawyers mufuggin take everything you got, they'll even take your ICE CUBE TRAYS!!!

[RaiRai]

As a woman with naturally large breasts, she had it coming.

[shiney]

She says she got the implants for her, but why? What did she have to gain out of getting the implants?

I mean honestly looking at that rant of hers it looks like she got a boob job so she literally can stare at herself in the mirror all day long and feel herself up.

In doing so, she has to accept the fact that now many other guys will want to stare at her...it's something she probably should have considered prior to having the job done. Sure, it's immoral of men to act in that fashion, and it is her body to do with as she pleases, but one would have to be ignorant to have not considered that asdpect of the operation.

So. Why did she have it done? Literally so she could feel herself up, to improve her self-image, what? Is it an esteem issue? If it is does she realise that there are healthier and considerably less expensive ways to improve self-esteem?

Does she want kids? Implants often get in the way of her ever breast feeding. Is she comfortable with that?

There's a lot to consider. How old is she, too?

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Hmmm, lots to answer...

1.) Yup, she had it coming. She should have expected guys to be unable to not be assholes.

2.) What did she have to gain? Being happier with herself.

3.) She totally expected staring. She doesn't mind the staring. She minds people propositioning her to be a whore in a public place.

4.) Yes, there's other ways to improve self-esteem. There's other ways to do a LOT of things...

5.) I don't know for sure, I don't think she wants kids...

6.) She's late 20's.

7.) There's a lot to consider. As I said, she's been considering it for over a decade.

[Fifthfiend]

That is harassment!!!

What hey now, who said anything about harassment? All I'm asking is can I squeeze her HUGE-NORMOUS BOOBIES while saying "Honk honk, here comes the love train," I mean come on no girl could possibly have a problem with that, right?


3.) She totally expected staring. She doesn't mind the staring. She minds people propositioning her to be a whore in a public place.

Okay but (sort of) seriously now see, you should have said that right away, that would have cleared a whole lot up for people. I mean speaking in my capacity as Official Spokesperson for All Guys Everywhere, when a guy hears "Oh my god that guy was asking me to fuckin' strip in public, what a total asshole!" he sort of tends to hear "And don't you even fuckin' think of lookin' or you're an asshole too!" It's like a slippery slope fallacy or something, like unless we stand up in defense of creepy-ass motherfuckers, the next step is gonna be the complete suspension of our right to look at a lady and think "damn." Don't ask me to explain why that is, but there it is.

I think as long as it's understood there's a certain natural inclination to be at awe in the presence of the Mighty Tetons, I think we can probably agree that the guy taking that as an invitation to get her to sell her body for money, etc., is pretty much a scuzzbag.

[Bells]

What hey now, who said anything about harassment? All I'm asking is can I squeeze her HUGE-NORMOUS BOOBIES while saying "Honk honk, here comes the love train," I mean come on no girl could possibly have a problem with that, right?

Do the MOTORBOAT!!!

And for the girl in question, give her some pepper-spray as a christmas gift, she will probably get a good kick out of it on the current situation

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Do the MOTORBOAT!!!

And for the girl in question, give her some pepper-spray as a christmas gift, she will probably get a good kick out of it on the current situation

why not get her an entire case and stock in the company.

[RaiRai]

Okay, so what was the point in this thread? If she already realised that she'd be stared at she should have realised there would be comments along with that. Therefore asking other opinions will get a lot of the responses which you've seen.

So, a question... if a girl has fake boobs, why do people think she's a whore?

It's not a common thing. In fact, a lot of guys wouldn't know if boobs were fake or real unless:

A. They were shoved into their face.
or
B. They were told they were fake.

[42PETUNIAS]

Or if they're just really, really, really big

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

In summation:

No-one can be happy for her and treat her with respect, since she's just doing it for attention. Check.

[RaiRai]

Or if they're just really, really, really big

What is 'really, really, really big' in a guys standard?

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

What is 'really, really, really big' in a guys standard?
Trust me... she is, now.

[RaiRai]

That's not a significant response. Everyone has their own opinion of the term 'big'.

[handofpwn]

G sized are really really really big

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

I can't answer fully completely without posting a pic, and she's asked me not to.

[shiney]

In summation:

No-one can be happy for her and treat her with respect, since she's just doing it for attention. Check.
In summation: your thread is entirely pointless as our viewpoints are being discounted as irrelevant.

Hey man, you asked, we replied.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

I know, I wasn't discounting your replies. I was summing up your replies. :)

EDIT: Ok, I think a sufficient cross-section has responded, and I've handled all possible questions. Feel free to wrap this up, close it, lock it, whatever, and thanks for everyones candid responses. I know that a lot of people might not disagree with what she did (hell, some of her own friends who have known her for YEARS don't agree), but I, for one, wish her the best.... and I am buying her pepper spray.

[notasfatasmike]

In summation:

No-one can be happy for her and treat her with respect, since she's just doing it for attention. Check.
Please, don't get so defensive. It's unbecoming, and that's not what people are saying.

OK, so she expected staring. Check. This implies that she expected (note that I am saying *expected* and not *wanted*) to receive more attention from anybody who's interested in women. OK. But apparently, she didn't expect comments? This is where I get confused.

I mean, it's common knowledge that most males are going to act like idiots in the presence of a woman with a large bust. (This does, I suppose, exclude lesbians, but based off your post it doesn't sound like she's getting hit on by other women, so let me continue down this line of reasoning.) Most of us (note that I am not excluding myself) will limit this to furtive glances, doing our best to not make it obvious that we are, in fact, staring. A smaller cross-section won't even try to hide it and outright stare. And then there's a yet smaller sub-section that will make sexual comments. And it seems that it's just the last one your friend has a problem with, but they're just the extreme end of the spectrum of poor self-control that makes up all of dude-kind.

Does this justify that behavior? Absolutely not! It's sickening and completely unacceptable. But you know what? A lot of people do things that are completely unacceptable. It's not news. The point I'm trying to make is this: Your friend doesn't *deserve* to be treated like that because of her choices, but if she expected more attention, she should have also *expected* to have sexual comments directed towards her. Doesn't mean she should stand for it, doesn't mean it's ok, but it just seems like the whole upshot of this thread is that it was somehow a surprising outcome, and I think some of us (I can only really speak for myself) are confused because it's such an obvious outcome - my girlfriend has had sexual comments directed at her (not when I was around, but I heard about it), and based off what you've said, my girlfriend is not really in competition with your friend in the boob department.

Yeah, it's shitty, but people are shitty.

[Azisien]

That's not a significant response. Everyone has their own opinion of the term 'big'.

Since I'm every male ever, I guess F and beyond is really, really big. It does depend on frame, too. DD on a girl I could snap in half at the waist doesn't look right, but "fits" on a girl who has some meat.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Please, don't get so defensive. It's unbecoming, and that's not what people are saying.
Apologies.
OK, so she expected staring. Check. This implies that she expected (note that I am saying *expected* and not *wanted*) to receive more attention from anybody who's interested in women. OK. But apparently, she didn't expect comments? This is where I get confused.

Comments are fine. Propositioning her repeatedly in public is not "comment". A "comment" is "Damn, those are big!" or "Are those real?" A "comment" is not "I know you aren't a stripper and you have a regular job, but I was wondering if you would like to strip for me and my male friends, in private, for lots of money?"

I may not have clarified that, either.... I suck at this.

[Fifthfiend]

In summation:

No-one can be happy for her and treat her with respect, since she's just doing it for attention. Check.

I thought I being pretty clear that I can't treat her with respect because I'm a total asshole.

I mean there's a song and everything (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=418710&postcount=1065), I don't know what you want from me.

But as for most people I think the actual summation of all this (inasmuch as one can be made) is that any time someone broaches a topic in the area of the complex and multifaceted arena of gender politics, there's a whole raft of preconceptions and misconceptions and presumptions and conflicting definitions and adversarial dispositions you have to get around before you can really get at anything like what people's actual views might be, but past all that I doubt anyone here is really as hostile towards anyone else as anyone might imagine them to be.

[TheSpacePope]

I just know that every cup size you go up, the IQ of the guys that speak to you goes down by 10. XD
At least that is what my larger breasted female friends say on the subject.

Also, Kudos to your friend for taking steps to improve her self image.
But she certainly can't complain. My girlfriend has normal sized boobies and she gets dudes asking if her if she wants them to cook her lunch! (and then....) So some men just treat women like whores. Mostly because they have only paid for sex before.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

But as for most people I think the actual summation here is that any time someone broaches a topic in the area of the complex and multifaceted arena of gender politics, there's a whole raft of preconceptions and misconceptions and presumptions and conflicting definitions and adversarial dispositions you have to get around before you can really get at anything like what people's actual views might be, but past all that I doubt anyone here is really as hostile towards anyone else as anyone might imagine them to be.
Wow.... that may be the best thought I've seen expressed on a webcomic forum.

[Fifthfiend]

Thanks! It was really a bunch of total bullshit wheedled off on the spot. But as long as you got something from that!

Nuklear Power Forums: We're about bullshit caring.

Now on to more important matters:

That's right it's RaiRai, actually posting on this forum again!

http://files.myopera.com/drlaunch/albums/37656/no-wai001.jpg

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Now on to more important matters:
That's right it's RaiRai, actually posting on this forum again!
Oh snap!
I lured her back... with boobs!

[RaiRai]

Nothing better than boobs.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Nothing better than boobs.
Marry me?

[shiney]

Too late dude....married ME.

[Pure Liquid Awesome]

Too late dude....married ME.
*Stabby*

[Fifthfiend]

http://humidhaney.typepad.com/the_humid_haney_rant/images/stabby.jpg!!!

[Fifthfiend]

GOOD NIGHT EVERY BODY!

[shiney]

:D