Community responsibility

[taekwondogirl]

What do you view is someone's responsibility to their community? How should/can they live up to that responsibility?

[Neverwhere]

Responsibily? That is completely dependant upon age, location, religion (if any), want for involvement, and other minute factors. Basically I feel that we are all obligated to give something back, but how much and in what frequency is a dependant thing. I did my part (so far at least) when I was a Boy Scout and when I got my Eagle Scout

[darknation]

well, having been a member of the doom community for four / five years I would say that your responsibility dictates you don't grab an uzi and start blowing away your classmates after running out of custom pwads.

That sort of thing generates some pretty bad press. So if you do develop psychic powers, don't use your heat vision on the vertically challenged and I think the community's reputation shall be preserved.

Of course, one could argue that bad columbine jokes would also dammage press relations with the more sane communities out there...

[Whitemage]

We have a responsibility to do our best to help everyone and everything.

Civil speech, non-violance, that's all bullcrap. It just raises questions, and questions impede the truth. The truth is life is hard and as a human being you do what you have to do to make life better for yourself and other's, you can't just do the former because it's impossible without doing the latter.

Everybody's choice has an effect on everybody eventually. It's only a matter of time. So yes, everyone has a responsibility, alot of people don't own up to that responsibility, which is why I encourage people to kick those types in the mud, cause that's where they belong.

Peace is possible, but it there's aloooooot of work involved, and we're all lazy bastards, some of us more so then others. But that's where self improvment plays a role.

Bassically all I'm saying is do your best, if you give any less then your best then don't do it at all. Cause we don't want your half-ass tries.

[KefkaTaran]

Questions... IMPEDE the truth? That's the most nonsensical thing I've heard come from these forums in a long time. I agree with some of your opinions, Mage, but we were born with the capability to ask questions. To not ask them, would be a sin. And if not for the asking of questions what truth would ever have become discovered?

[Whitemage]

Because questions mean you doubt, and things will not exsist perfectly if there is any doubt.

For instance, I'm going to take the test for my driver's liscence, I'm not going to TRY and pass, I'm GOING to pass.

Do or don't, there is no try.

Doubt is strong, very strong, but ceartainy is stronger. And if your will can master the art of ceartainy then you are one step closer to being godly my friend.

[Big Bad Imp]

But how many people are actually willing to go out of their line and help others? In writing sure everyone would agree but I rarely see people do this sort of stuffs.

Here, they focus more on doing stupid projects like 'the biggest cake in the country' or 'longest banner in the country', which I personally view as something to boost their egos / to complement for something else.

I make a lot of visits to community centres and from what I've seen, a lot can be done if the ppl upstairs would actually lift a finger.

It's much cheaper than making the longest banner.

[Miso Beno]

I believe the responsability is up to the individuals in the community, not the community as a whole.

[Whitemage]

But how many people are actually willing to go out of their line and help others? In writing sure everyone would agree but I rarely see people do this sort of stuffs.
Well no duh. The majority is lazy. Doesn't make the answer any less right.

You and everybody else knows how to solve the problem. But there's a differance between knowing something, and acting on it. But there is no alternative, this is the one true answer, otherwise.. well you see the rut we're in now..

[Priest4hire]

Because questions mean you doubt, and things will not exsist perfectly if there is any doubt.

For instance, I'm going to take the test for my driver's liscence, I'm not going to TRY and pass, I'm GOING to pass.

Do or don't, there is no try.

Doubt is strong, very strong, but ceartainy is stronger. And if your will can master the art of ceartainy then you are one step closer to being godly my friend.

To this I reach way back in time:

Perhaps someone might say "But surely Socrates, after you have left us you can spend the rest of your life quietly minding your own business." This is the hardest thing of all to make some of you understand. If I say... I cannot "mind my own business," you will not believe that I am serious. If on the other day I tell that let to let no day pass without discussing goodness and all the other subjects about which you hear me talking and that examining both myself and others is really the very best thing a man can do and that life without this sort of examination is not worth living, you will be even less inclined to believe me. Nevertheless, gentlemen, that is how it is.

Socrates had it right; that is how it is. Certainty is the surest path to ideology. It is how horrendous mistakes happen and great evils are committed. To rush blindly into the future never once looking side to side, but with the blinders of certainty strapped to you head is to plunge surly into the pitfalls ahead. Wisdom begins with the knowledge that there is only doubt. To know that you do not know.

With doubt comes reflection and questions. It is the question, not the answer, which drives us upwards.

[Whitemage]

Wise words man, you didn't agree with me, but you saw me as an equal, that means alot to me.

Thumbs up to you man, though we think differantly, atleast we think hunh? ^_^ d

[Lucas]

Because questions mean you doubt, and things will not exsist perfectly if there is any doubt.

For instance, I'm going to take the test for my driver's liscence, I'm not going to TRY and pass, I'm GOING to pass.

Do or don't, there is no try.

Doubt is strong, very strong, but ceartainy is stronger. And if your will can master the art of ceartainy then you are one step closer to being godly my friend.
Hows about.. no.
Certainty is never existant, because everything is relative. take the color tht you see as blue. PROVE to me that everyone else can see it in the same way. its rather impossible to. i might see your orange, but we'd both call it blue because that' what we were told to call it. certainty is nothing more than probability, you can never be certain of anything, because it is either filtered through your senses, which decieve you, or are created by your mind. even if you feel certain that you have a certain thought, you may not actually be thinking it, because that which you've used to build your thought is simply pieces of the incongruent world that you pick up.

Doubt isn't strong: it is everything. regardless of doubt, however, things can remain perfect, but not to the observations made by an imperfect observer.

[Whitemage]

So bassically Lucas, you're telling me all mind is an illussion. That reality is not shaped by thought but simply is, and that whatever we expirience is most likely a strong hallucination from our concoiunce breath correct?

If mind was an illussion, then we are an illussion, because without mind what is humanity? All living things share mind, but especially humanity. Therfor mind must shape reality, not reality shape mind. That sky is blue because of lights from the sun making it appear as such, but my perception if strong enough, could make me see that sky as some other color, in my personal universe, that same sky could be blood red. And people prove this personal universe alteration everyday.

Now is it possible for one mind to effect that of someone else's? That depends on two things.

1) How strong is your mind?
2) How ceartain are you that your mind is strong?

There is no greater threat to your perception then yourself.

[sushigaski]

In my opinion, one's responsibility to their community is actually fairly simple. First of all, I believe you have the responsibility to contribute in what ways you can to your community, and not to be a leech. Second, I believe that you have the responsibility to express your opinions without disrespecting others. In other words, standing up for something you believe = good, while forcing something you believe on someone else = bad. And third and last, I belive that one's responsibility to their community is to also accept the consequences of their actions. The biggest problem in this world is that such a consequence-free environment is created that so many people are content to live off of others and do stupid things without suffering the consequences of such behavior.

[Neverwhere]

But how many people are actually willing to go out of their line and help others? In writing sure everyone would agree but I rarely see people do this sort of stuffs. Umm, I do this every day

[Ambassador]

Thank you, sushigaski. You said it before I could.
Still, I'm not so sure that "civil responsibility" is real. I'm of the opinion that it's just something high-minded folks like to throw around when they don't want to pay for my help. I'm not saying that I would ignore someone who needed my help. But civil responsibility too often turns into a crusade, someone wanting to rid the world of wrongs. This may seem heartless, but if there's starving children in Botswana, it's not my problem. If one of them lived in the apartment next to mine, I'd try to take care of him, or at least find some way in which s/he could be taken care of.
As far as civil responsibility goes, I think that the only thing we are actually responsible for is to live inside the law.

[taekwondogirl]

My view is fairly simple. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If you were ever in a bad spot, you'd appreciate it if others helped you out. You should only recieve that help if you are willing to help someone out in a similar situation.

[JohnCourage]

the golden rule breaks down when you don't mind something that someone else does. example: person A likes loud music, and never asks anyone to turn down their sterio. thus he is justified in being upset when person B (who does not like loud music) asks him to turn it down.

i am of the opinion that your responsibility is to yourself alone. if you want a pleasent life (and have sufficient forsight) you recognize the importance of not inspring anger in other poeple. further, you also realize that meddeling in other peoples afairs inspires them to either depend on you (complicating your life) or become angry or jelious (again, further complication). thus you live a quite and unassuming life, trusting other people to do the same.

[taekwondogirl]

Right.

My views extend over to Kazaa [lite] as well...

I thought about making it so I didn't share my files and I would download others'.

Then I realized that if everyone thought like that, there'd be nothing out there for people to download.

Odd analogy, but it works.

[Neverwhere]

wow, we have reached a new low... we are comparing life to kazaa :D

[FunnyLooking]

Whitemage: <Because questions mean you doubt, and things will not exsist perfectly if there is any doubt.>

Things exist perfectly? Why would you want things to exist perfectly? The whole idea is that you embrace the imperfections! And if you try to fix any imperfection, there come more and more of them! I see no reason why things should ever exist perfectly.

<For instance, I'm going to take the test for my driver's liscence, I'm not going to TRY and pass, I'm GOING to pass.>

And if you fail, that was an untruth, which destroys everything. And because I'm an outside source: I claim that you will fail, and you claim you will succeed, there is a 100% you will do both?

[JohnCourage]

Right.

My views extend over to Kazaa [lite] as well...

I thought about making it so I didn't share my files and I would download others'.

Then I realized that if everyone thought like that, there'd be nothing out there for people to download.

Odd analogy, but it works.

i'm going to assume that was meant for me since i was the only one who posted between your posts.

can i take your comment to mean that you support some form of socialism? then we can most likely never agree on what responcibility means, because i don't think you can ever lay claim to something you have not earned.

anyway, to relate the analogy: with my system people would listen to the music they would care enough about to buy. in yours the RIAA trys to justify useing storm-trooper tactics and everyones life gets hectic. in my world people have less music, but are not in conlfict with anyone. in yours people have more music, but face possable lawsuites. (please note i do not support or condone the RIAA polocies.)

[Tark]

i pay my small tax on my blank discs, and the RIAA and its stormtrooper tactics cant touch me.

I love canada.

[taekwondogirl]

i'm going to assume that was meant for me since i was the only one who posted between your posts.

can i take your comment to mean that you support some form of socialism? then we can most likely never agree on what responcibility means, because i don't think you can ever lay claim to something you have not earned.

anyway, to relate the analogy: with my system people would listen to the music they would care enough about to buy. in yours the RIAA trys to justify useing storm-trooper tactics and everyones life gets hectic. in my world people have less music, but are not in conlfict with anyone. in yours people have more music, but face possable lawsuites. (please note i do not support or condone the RIAA polocies.)


Basically, my philosophy is that if you want others to share with you, you'd damn well better share with them.

[Mags]

We have a responsibility to do our best to help everyone and everything.

Civil speech, non-violance, that's all bullcrap. It just raises questions, and questions impede the truth. The truth is life is hard and as a human being you do what you have to do to make life better for yourself and other's, you can't just do the former because it's impossible without doing the latter.

Well, I'll be damned. White Mage said something I agree with. The world must be coming to an end.

Cheers,

Mags

[DarthZeth]

the Boy Scout Oath:
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.


the Boy Scout Law:
A Scout is:
Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent.



Bit and peices of the Code of Chivalry that i foudn online (i left out the 'fight for king and country' stuff, as well as the 'slaughter the infidels' stuff)

Live for freedom, justice and all that is good.
Avoid lying to your fellow man.
Avoid cheating.
Avoid torture.
Administer justice.
Protect the innocent.
Exhibit self control.
Show respect to authority.
Respect women.
Exhibit Courage in word and deed.
Defend the weak and innocent.
Destry evil in all of its monstrous forms.
Fight with honor.
Avenge the wronged.
Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause.
Die with valor.
Always keep one's word of honor.
Always maintain one's principles.
Never betray a confidence or comrade.
Avoid deception.
Respect life and freedom.
Be polite and attentive.
Be respectful of host, women, and honor.

[Resaith_Yeoress]

Personally, I follow my own Code of Conduct...

Do unto others, as they have done unto you.

If someone helps me, I'll do my best to help them. Do something bad to me, and expect my full hell-bound wrath to follow. Do nothing one way or the other and that is how I will treat you.

It's a simple thing to follow. Sure it may not work perfectly, bu tnothing in this world works perfectly. All that matters is that it works for me.

[VeritasHertz]

I say, if you want to be part of a community, then you should obey what laws are enforced, and if provided you get a say in those laws, you should do your duty to change them to best suite todays life for the majority of people. If you don't want to be part of a community, move.

[Sakae]

Darth, I'd just like to point out that (at the time it was in use) the knight's code of chivalry only applied to other knights/nobles. Meaning if Brave Sir Robin wanted to torture the hell out of a lowly peasant, he could go ahead and do so without any real fears of consequence or dishonor. That being said, the bits you quoted are still good ideas to live by, even in today's time.

[DarthZeth]

well, that was the community they were part of ¬_¬