Bush's Resume

[Squishy Cheeks]

I saw this in another forum
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RESUME

George W. Bush
The White House, USA

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days.
My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
I set the record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
I set the the all-time presidential record for most days on vacation in any one year period.
After taking-off the entire month of August, 2001, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.history.
I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. president.
In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration posts than any president in U.S. history.
I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of television.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in war time.
I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.
I created the Department of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government .
I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. history. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during the election decision.
I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.
More time and money were spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than have been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate ripoffs in history.
I garnered sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
I changed U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Please consider my experience when voting in 2004 - Send this to every voter you know

[Izmit]

I've seen that resume around a lot, mostly in all the blogs for the democratic nominees. Slightly off topic but I do belive the Democrats have a more than decent shot at the White House this upcoming election as long as they don't keep shooting themsleves in the foot.

[Rhianwen]

Wow...so, Bush sucks, huh?

[picks up a baseball bat, jaunts over to the dead horse at the side of the road, and starts viciously beating it]

:D

[Hamelin]

I'd be glad if we could manage to get away from all this 'lesser of two evils' nonsense. I don't give a damn what political affiliation they have, all that matters is what their stance on stuff is, and whether or not they'll follow though.

[Izmit]

I'd be glad if we could manage to get away from all this 'lesser of two evils' nonsense. I don't give a damn what political affiliation they have, all that matters is what their stance on stuff is, and whether or not they'll follow though.

I think that mostly a result of our voting proceedures. If we had instant runoff voting people would be more willing to vote on their ideology.

[Hamelin]

Well, at least voter turnout doesn't bite. This (http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p20-542.pdf) report from the census bureau stated that roughly 60% of all eligible citizen voters actually voted in 2000, around 86% of all the registered voters voted.

But... that means that only about half of the country cares enough to vote, and half of that voted for the current president. People say it's not their problem if they don't vote, but I believe in this case, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Of course, as for local and state elections, I don't know if these numbers translate.

[Devon Lake]

This makes me remember a newspaper article I read on Bush a while back. It pointed out a few of the celebrities who were insulting his intelligence and then it compared his academic merits to there’s. I seem to remember it saying that Bush either attended two Ivy League schools, or graduated from two different Ivy League schools; in any case, I have to have some respect for his intelligence as long as he was able to work his way through university. On the other hand, some of the celebrities who were insulting him never graduated from high school; in any case, I find it frustrating how every bloody celebrity in Hollywood ends up being a pundit these days.

Furthermore, I absolutely loath people insulting Bush’s speech. Fine, he’s not an eloquent speaker, but give the man a break. It’s simply bullying to call a person an idiot for having a speech impediment. I have speech problems myself, and it offends me that the media could be immature enough to suppose that these are a reflection of a person’s aptitude. The whole electoral process would be infinitely improved if people were to cease childishly teasing the candidates and focus on relevant political debate.

That being said, I wish Bush were thrown out of office this very second. I don’t think any of these issues involving the War, the economy, environmental degradation, etc. reflect poorly at all on Bush’s intelligence. For all I know Bush could be a brilliant political strategist who meticulously calculates everything to the last detail. I sincerely doubt it, but I’m really impressed with how he’s been able to maintain the approval rating he has given what a wretched president he’s been. Bush is an absolutely repugnant administrator and I find nearly everything he’s done to be absolutely vile. That doesn’t make him stupid, indeed, many villainous tyrants have been quite brilliant. But Bush has the social conscience and the respect for liberty and rights of a dog.

[ShinRa Incorporated]

But... that means that only about half of the country cares enough to vote, and half of that voted for the current president. People say it's not their problem if they don't vote, but I believe in this case, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

That's assuming that Bush actually won the election. We never will find out the truth, because Al Gore [So boring, he puts himself to sleep] backed out.

...Oh great. Now we're going to have a large discussion about the Miami-Dade screwups. Might as well quote Dave Barry...


SEPTEMBER 2002

. . . when Florida, having learned nothing from history, attempts to hold another election. Everything goes smoothly, with virtually no problems reported -- until the polls open. Then there is chaos, especially in Broward and Miami-Dade counties, which are using new computerized voting machines. Election officials begin to suspect that the system might have been programmed incorrectly when, instead of reporting the vote totals, the machines connect to the Internet and send out 126 million e-mails offering discount Viagra.

[CanadianSkin]

add to the resume that he totally forgot his neighbors to the north when tanking the world for all the post "9/11" support.

[Squishy Cheeks]

Furthermore, I absolutely loath people insulting Bush’s speech. Fine, he’s not an eloquent speaker, but give the man a break. It’s simply bullying to call a person an idiot for having a speech impediment. I have speech problems myself, and it offends me that the media could be immature enough to suppose that these are a reflection of a person’s aptitude. The whole electoral process would be infinitely improved if people were to cease childishly teasing the candidates and focus on relevant political debate.

The problem is that since the dawn of government it has been influenced by rhetoric and speech making: e.g. Kennedy's speaches, The Oration's of Cicero, The Gettysburg Address. Bush doesn't even try. Which is what their point is. He went in to profession where he is not only expected to make speaches, but his performance is based on how charasmatic he is. If you want to see an example of how powerful oration and rhetoric really are look no further than Hitler. The man was more or less able to talk an entire nation into the worst acts ever commited by the human race.

[mxyzptlk]

Hitler and Bush both are very persuasive (thanks to Bush's speechwriters).
They both waged pointless wars to help their struggling economies.
In both cases, the wars succeeded in helping their economies (though on a different scale).
It's generally believed that both are real bastards for waging these pointless wars.

The only reason I hate Hitler more than Bush is that Bush hasn't tried to conquer the world or commit genocide.

[Kaishakunin]

I didn't even see anyone making fun of Bush's speech impediments...maybe I'm not looking hard enough or maybe I just didn't care enough to look, but either way he's still giving logging companies access to old-growth timber, tax cuts to the rich, and Iraq contracts to Rumsfeld's (probably spelled wrong) old corporation pals. I don't give a rats a$$ about his speech impediment.

[Squishy Cheeks]

you mean Dick Cheyney's old corporate friends.

[FunnyLooking]

What's wrong with making fun of his speech impediment? He's the frickin' president for crying out loud! Sure, it's no argument not to like him, but nonetheless, his job has always been the target of ridicule.

There's nothing wrong with making fun of the president of the most powerful country in the world.

[Whitemage]

It's wrong to compare Bush to Adolf Hitler though.

Bush didn't slaughter a million jews.
Bush didn't send his enemies to concentration camps to live life as slaves.
Bush didn't control his country with an irion fist and a devil army.
Bush didn't want war.
Bush isn't a madman who would use nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat and doom thousands of civvillans to a hundred years of overexposure to radiation resulting it vicous cancer and brain hemorages.

Untill I see a country of people convulsing and foaming at the mouth over an acid cloud George W. Bush befalled on them, I will never compare him to Adolf Hitler. If Bush was Hitler at heart you would have NO freedom and would be dead right now for talking bad about him.

Now Saddam DID kill people who didn't agree with him.
Saddam shot a soldier who was late for a meeting ten years ago even when the soldier told him his abscence was do to his wife and son who were terribly sick..

Saddam deserved the worst, Bush is a hero. Stupid people should not be allowed to ridicule anybody, especially heroes..

[FunnyLooking]

<It's wrong to compare Bush to Adolf Hitler though.>

Uhh... how is it 'wrong'? To say they are just a bad as each other is wrong, but comparing the two is never wrong. Then you go ahead and COMPARE them with that list of points!

<Bush didn't slaughter a million jews.>

Six million.

<Bush didn't want war.>

And so he went to war against what he wanted to do? Wtf? If he didn't want war, he wouldn't have declared it. Hell, you keep saying that he was doing to the brave thing by going to war. Whether or not you think the war was a good thing, how the hell can you say he didn't want war?

<Bush isn't a madman who would use nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat and doom thousands of civvillans to a hundred years of overexposure to radiation resulting it vicous cancer and brain hemorages.>

Well, neither is Hitler. Or at least, we don't know that he is, seeing how he never did that.

<I will never compare him to Adolf Hitler. If Bush was Hitler at heart you would have NO freedom and would be dead right now for talking bad about him.>

Ha ha. The second sentence compares Bush and Hitler.

[Whitemage]

Bush did what he had to for the bennefit of his country, he's like Captain America or something..

[FunnyLooking]

So did Hitler, so that's a horrible argument.

Although I'm comparing the two, I'm not saying at all that they are similiar. I mean, Bush can't make a speech worth crap, but Hitler was very good at it. Hitler also was a Socialist that was responsible for the deaths of 12 million civilians (Jews, Poles, Gays, etc.) Bush isn't THAT bad, but I don't want either of them my president.

[Squishy Cheeks]

Bush did what he had to for the bennefit of his country, he's like Captain America or something..

What Crack are you smoking, and where can I get some.

Bush has yet to do anything for the majority of this country. I'd say this country but that would be wrong Bush has done alot for this country. For the richest 1% of this Country.

[Sir 0rion]

I gotta tell you, a lot of the opinions expressed here seem really... how do I put this politely... asinine.

Bringing up the way he speaks as a point against him is just ridiculous. Other than the fact that he probably wouldn't correctly pronounce the name of this website, his speech is clear and understandable, and that's the important thing. Tone and inflection are nice, but they're really not necessary.

As for the war in Iraq, I'll say this: it got rid of Saddam. Whatever "ulterior motives" everyone just happens to know Bush had, it got rid of a dictator who tortures and murders his own people. And if it takes some bags off of the heads of the women down there and makes it so someone doesn't get beaten if they have a certain religion, all to the better.

And, bearing that in mind, let's just pretend for a moment that this war was entirely proposed by Bush to get oil - another party line that people do twists and flips to prove. Well, I propose to you that France DIDN'T want to go to war so that THEY could get the oil. After all, France and Germany both have money tied up in Iraq oil, so why WOULDN'T they be against putting that in jeopardy? At least this way, we take out a scumbag who harbors terrorists and... heck, you know the rest. So therefore, the only reason we didn't have U.N. support going into this war was because - although the U.N. agreed that Iraq was in violation of multiple sanctions proposed by the U.N. - a couple of its member nations had too much money tied up in Iraq that they didn't want to lose.

And that brings me to another point. If the U.N. wants to make all these sanctions and then not enforce them, it's just going to become another League of Nations.

Now, I'm not a Bush fan, necessarily. I'm not in favor of his domestic policy. But that doesn't mean that every decision he makes is wrong just for the fact that he's G.W.B.

As for comparing Bush to Hitler...

Hitler and Bush both are very persuasive (thanks to Bush's speechwriters).

You're either persuasive or you're not. It's got nothing to do with the speechwriters. I hate to break it to you, pal.

They both waged pointless wars to help their struggling economies.

How do you define "pointless,"? Whatever else it did, it gave Iraq an opportunity to stand on its own two feet. And if America has to stay there awhile longer to make sure no civil wars break out as a result of the country's reformation, well... them's the breaks.

In both cases, the wars succeeded in helping their economies (though on a different scale).

You obviously don't recall the state Germany was in after World War 2.

It's generally believed that both are real bastards for waging these pointless wars.

First of all, if you don't understand what World War 2 was about, just say so. It'll make you look a lot more intelligent than that statement. Hitler slowly but surely encouraged prejudice against sexuality, race, and creed to the point of torturous and murderous results throughout Germany. In America, racism and other similar prejudices are grounds for public outcry. And rightfully so.

The only reason I hate Hitler more than Bush is that Bush hasn't tried to conquer the world or commit genocide.

I'm surprised you haven't accused him of THAT, yet.

But you know what? You're right. America is such a lousy country under Bush. That's why people are crawling under barbed-wire fences just to get INTO this country, right? It's just like Nazi Germany, even though you can freely say whatever you wish without fear that you'll be imprisoned, tortured, and killed. Bush must be the next incarnation of Hitler, even though this war is justified if you actually take a look instead of wishing that you were in the 1960's. Sorry, this ain't Vietnam. I know it's fashionable to be against the war, because you WANT this to be your Vietnam, but I'm afraid you missed out on the party. The reasons for going to war are completely different, and the ramifications of this war are completely different.

[Krylo]

Last time I tried to use the quote function it messed up, so I'm just going to use quotes like I normally do.

"Bringing up the way he speaks as a point against him is just ridiculous. Other than the fact that he probably wouldn't correctly pronounce the name of this website, his speech is clear and understandable, and that's the important thing. Tone and inflection are nice, but they're really not necessary."

Yes they are. He took a job in which he is required to speak publically and make sure that people understand it. Tone, inflection, and pronounciation are all very important to this, he didn't have any. He didn't even attempt to get better until people began insulting him for it. It's humorous the way he talks, but that's not the only reason people make fun of it... he went into a job that required it, and didn't even bother trying to get better until he was under heavy fire.

As for the whole dictator/ulterior motives etc. This horse has been beaten to death, resurrected, beaten to death again, and then had a full round of ammunition unloaded into it. If someone has a copy of the bit on going into war just to save a people, it'd be nice if they'd post it up here so that we can just look at that, instead of getting into the same arguement again from scratch. Suffice to say that it is against my morals to send people to die for something they didn't sign up to. And I refuse to get into that same arguement again, because it began to frustrate and annoy me.

"You're either persuasive or you're not. It's got nothing to do with the speechwriters. I hate to break it to you, pal."

So you're saying that if I say "Yo! Bush is a fuckin' psycho, dawg!" it's just as persuasive as if I say "Bush went to war under pretenses he knew were shaky at best, and a complete lie at the worst." and continued listing points against him, and discounting any conceivable points toward him. Speechwriters write what he will say. He, himself, is not very persuasive at all... but the words he uses in speeches that are prepared by someone else, and the way they are linked, ARE. You'll notice that he would repeat the same phrases and words with emotional pictures behind them... this is a persuasive tactic that has little, if anything, to do with how you 'speak' but rather with how you order your thoughts and words, and which words you use. Those are what his speech writers did.

"How do you define "pointless,"? Whatever else it did, it gave Iraq an opportunity to stand on its own two feet. And if America has to stay there awhile longer to make sure no civil wars break out as a result of the country's reformation, well... them's the breaks. "

I happen to more or less agree that pointless isn't the right word... but it was a war that we fought with little to no reason. It accomplished things, but not things our government should be horribly concerned with unless the people tell them to be concerned with it (which they obviously didn't, noting the huge protests). As callous as that sounds.

"You obviously don't recall the state Germany was in after World War 2."

You obviously don't recall the state Germany was in before and during WW2. Before world war 2 people couldn't afford bread... during it Germany was one of the richest and most prosperous nations. The only reason that it fell apart after WW2 is because it lost the war... and losing a war, especially one in which fighting takes place on your own soil, will always screw up your economy. Not that hard of a prospect to understand.

"First of all, if you don't understand what World War 2 was about, just say so. It'll make you look a lot more intelligent than that statement. Hitler slowly but surely encouraged prejudice against sexuality, race, and creed to the point of torturous and murderous results throughout Germany. In America, racism and other similar prejudices are grounds for public outcry. And rightfully so."

I don't remember those prejudices causing outcry during WW2 when were were throwing every person with slanted eyes into our own (albeit more humane versions of) concentration camps. Don't paint america as perfect, because we aren't, nor were we ever.

"But you know what? You're right. America is such a lousy country under Bush. That's why people are crawling under barbed-wire fences just to get INTO this country, right? It's just like Nazi Germany, even though you can freely say whatever you wish without fear that you'll be imprisoned, tortured, and killed. Bush must be the next incarnation of Hitler, even though this war is justified if you actually take a look instead of wishing that you were in the 1960's. Sorry, this ain't Vietnam. I know it's fashionable to be against the war, because you WANT this to be your Vietnam, but I'm afraid you missed out on the party. The reasons for going to war are completely different, and the ramifications of this war are completely different."

Did you have a single point here, or were you just being sarcastic?

I promised myself I wasn't going to bother with another Bush bashing thread, but the tone of that entire post was extremely offesnive, and, quite frankly, you didn't use even half way decent arguements in any of it. The closest you came was a moral arguement for going into war... but how great are the morals of the person lying so he can send people to die there, and then decide they're being paid too much? Do not argue morals to support that war, because the protestors aren't protesting removing Saddam... they're protesting the reasons for it. By saying it was worth going in for those reasons to accomplish that end, you are saying the means justify the end. Using the logic you employ the patriot act is also ok because it will (theoretically) save more people than it will hurt. The means justify the ends. It's ok to let hostages die in order to stop the person taking them... the means justify the ends.

[mxyzptlk]

I claim the war in Iraq is pointless because we don't benefit from it in any way- except that it helps our economy (but such is the nature of war). And Germany's economy was doing nicely during WWII.

And what right did we have to oust Saddam?

If Bush was Hitler at heart you would have NO freedom and would be dead right now for talking bad about him.
Not even the President has enough power to repeal the first ammendment. BTW, why does a White Mage support the war in Iraq (or any war, for that matter)?

[Maize]

Wow I love topics like this, it proves that the democrats are truely poor at debating.


first of, in regard to the first post and the topic itself. 90% of your "facts" are incorrect, the other 10% being opinion. I mean even down to the part about Bush being a cheerleader is wrong. ( they are yell leaders, not that it's much of a difference, but it's still wrong ) Another part is, that how pathetic is it that you all have to copy the same things? Can't you people come up with anything new?

Here is a fact for you. The President that has sent more troops to more countries, deployed the most troops, invaded the most countries; was not Bush. I'll give you a hint, he's from arkansas and slept with interns.

My favorite democrat comment on Bush's war mongering. "If he didn't send troops to invade afganastan, 9/11 wouldn't have happened" *shakes head* yes people have said this. I belive they meant, If we didn't get involved in world affairs terrorists wouldn't have striked. Let's see, 9/11 wasn't the first time the World trade towers were attacked, was it? nope. 1993, in response to Clinton's famous military blunder, which you can watch in blackhawk down. US embassy's after clinton's interference in the Isreal Palenstian peace talks. USS Cole bombing after Clinton fires cruise missle at asparin factories in Africa and Cruise missiles in iraq.


To all you Democrats that think Bush is wrong and clinton was 100% correct.

Clinton ALSO went after Iraq. Bill Clinton had US forces engage combat against Iraq. So if Billy boy thought Iraq is a threat, why then would that change with a new president?

oh the hypocrisy amuses me.

[Krylo]

I love how Republicans immediately assume everyone who doesn't agree with them is a democrat. And more over how they insult them.

That's dangerously close to flaming some board members as well.

And why does everyone who likes Bush (well, not everyone, but most everyone) have to bring up Clinton getting head (not sleeping with... hey look, your facts are false too) from an intern? Whatever happened to what happens between a man and a woman being between that man and woman (and possibly that man's wife... in this case). It's none of yours, mine, or anyone's business whether Clinton slept around. Attack his policies and leave that out of it, because it has nothing to do with his job.

And, more to the point all those 'facts' are neither true nor false. They're mostly half-truths. Bush WAS involved in everything listed there... and he did go AWOL, cut pay to troops in peacetime, etc. The thing is, he had less of a say in most of the things that happened than that list makes it look like. Of course by saying they're completely false and not actually bothering to research it, or if you did, not bothering to inform us why those rumors came about... you're doing the exact same thing as that list. You also do the same thing with Clinton... you mention he sent more troops anywhere... but they were nearly all peace keeping troops and didn't actually attack countries. You list half-truths.

[Whitemage]

And why does everyone who likes Bush (well, not everyone, but most everyone) have to bring up Clinton getting head (not sleeping with... hey look, your facts are false too) from an intern? Whatever happened to what happens between a man and a woman being between that man and woman (and possibly that man's wife... in this case). It's none of yours, mine, or anyone's business whether Clinton slept around. Attack his policies and leave that out of it, because it has nothing to do with his job.
1) If you don't believe that oral SEX is just as much SEX as penetration. Then you're like those slutty girls on Girls Gone Wild and whatever respect I had for you is gone. Nice job.

2) Wait Wait wait the fugg WAIT! You mean to tell me it's the country's buisness that our president has a speech impendemant but not our buisness that he is a complete whore and is SUPPOSE to be an idol for children?! -_O





This is why I have trouble believing in God. If I were God I would've killed all you liberal crackmuts a long time ago..

[Rhianwen]

krylo - I agree that it's important to leave out irrelevant facts and lifestyle choices, such as Clinton's intern. That's why I'm grateful that Bush's religion hasn't been brought up here (that I've found, at least). I've seen and heard it done a lot of other places, and has irked me, to say the least. In my mind, there are few things stupider than attributing a person's bad choices to their religion, and attributing similar "psycho bombing" tendencies to ALL it's adherents.

As for the Bush issue in general, I'm not what you'd call a Bush-supporter, mostly because I don't have enough facts to be. I just know what I've heard from almost everyone I talk to, and based on the fact that almost no one likes him, I think it'd be just as well for Bush to get as far from government as possible. Not necessarily because I think he's a horrible president, or a horrible person, but because I don't think there's anything he could possibly do at this point to win back trust and respect. He was put into an extremely tough situation, and he made some grievous mistakes. And although error is a very human quality, it is not an acceptable one in a president.

And incidentally, although no one seems to have cared, I apologize for my "beating a dead horse" comment earlier on this thread. ^_^

[Cid Highwind]

Here we go. General Flame-War right here.

Ah, the old forum is back.

[FunnyLooking]

Making fun of the president's speech impediment is not showing he's a bad president, it's being humorous. Making fun of Clinton's affair is not showing he's a bad president, it's being humorous. Just needed to put that out.

"This is why I have trouble believing in God. If I were God I would've killed all you liberal crackmuts a long time ago."

That's not cool. Not only are you calling people 'crackmuts' (which I'm not even quite sure what that's supposed to mean) but you're blatantly assuming we're liberal. Plus you're saying that you want us dead. That's really just not cool. Hey, how about for once you talk calmly, nicely, not sarcasticly, not spitefully, or any of that crap. You are not right about everything, and stop being so ethnocentric.

"I claim the war in Iraq is pointless because we don't benefit from it in any way- except that it helps our economy (but such is the nature of war)."

Nah, there's many ways we benefit. As I said in that previous argument with Krylo that we disagreed on, we helped people. It's in American's interest to be humanitarian. It's also in America's interest to set up more democracies in the middle east, and more democracies in general.

"It's just like Nazi Germany, even though you can freely say whatever you wish without fear that you'll be imprisoned, tortured, and killed. Bush must be the next incarnation of Hitler"

Thanks for not reading what I said about this. Comparing Bush to Hitler isn't wrong. You can compare me to Hitler, I don't give a damn. No one said that Bush is as bad as Hitler, but you can still COMPARE them.

[Krylo]

"1) If you don't believe that oral SEX is just as much SEX as penetration. Then you're like those slutty girls on Girls Gone Wild and whatever respect I had for you is gone. Nice job.

2) Wait Wait wait the fugg WAIT! You mean to tell me it's the country's buisness that our president has a speech impendemant but not our buisness that he is a complete whore and is SUPPOSE to be an idol for children?! -_O"

1) Oral Sex is sex... but when one says 'sleeping together' that usually denotes penetration. Thus his wording is still mis leading.

2) Speech impediments are much more public than what happens in bed, and it's not that he has one that bothers me, but that he did absolutely nothing to fix it until it became a large source of ridicule, despite knowing it would be a problem with communicating speeches. At least I hope he knew. (Also, he came off as stupid because of his impediment... not just a slow speaker)

And Cid... yes... I got a bit carried away on those two people... they offended me and I let my annoyance get the best of me and probably opened this flood-gate... I'm usually a bit better than that, and I apologize.

[Fabricated]

1) If you don't believe that oral SEX is just as much SEX as penetration. Then you're like those slutty girls on Girls Gone Wild and whatever respect I had for you is gone. Nice job.

2) Wait Wait wait the fugg WAIT! You mean to tell me it's the country's buisness that our president has a speech impendemant but not our buisness that he is a complete whore and is SUPPOSE to be an idol for children?! -_O





This is why I have trouble believing in God. If I were God I would've killed all you liberal crackmuts a long time ago..
Wow, I forsee a long and fruitful life for you here in this forum.

[FoRSAkeN_oNe]

"It's wrong to compare Bush to Adolf Hitler though."

[QUOTE=Whitemage]"Bush didn't send his enemies to concentration camps to live life as slaves."

He has created concentration camps in Iraq.

"Bush didn't control his country with an irion fist and a devil army."

The Bush administration passed an act called, the "PATRIOT Act". That act strips much of the items in the Bill of Rights away. Not only did hee do THAT, but the administration tried to pass the Domestic Security Act of 2003 (PATRIOT Act 2) without the public knowing!!! Luckily, an official came across it, and handed it to the Washington Post. NOW, the United States is moving towards a Big Brother/Police State-like country, meaning if you so much as made a threatening eye contact or something, you'd have some military officials, FBI, or something like that, knocking down you door to arrest you for bieng a threat.

"Bush didn't want war."

If Bush didn't want war.... then why... OH WHY... has he done TWO wars in the past TWO years!? Does he have split personality dissorder? (No offense to anyone who would have that).

"Bush isn't a madman who would use nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat and doom thousands of civvillans to a hundred years of overexposure to radiation resulting it vicous cancer and brain hemorages."

Bush didn't sign papers to not use Nuclear weapons. Bush contemplated over using "Mini NUKES" in Iraq.

"If Bush was Hitler at heart you would have NO freedom and would be dead right now for talking bad about him."

What is to say Bush DOES support freedom? I mean, it is obvious with the PATRIOT Act, and the Domestic Security Act of 2003 (which both of those acts together leave only a few rights on the Bill of Rights) that he supports freedom, and not power!? Here are some related quotes: "Power currupts absolutely" and "With great power comes curruption".

"Saddam deserved the worst, Bush is a hero. Stupid people should not be allowed to ridicule anybody, especially heroes.."

Stupid people huh? Boy. You just feel like having a harsh tone don't ya? Ok, Saddam is gone... but at what cost? The money cost for this war is billions of dollars, and it comes out of our taxes - so, taxes have, gone up. Bush is no hero. For Bush to be close to being a hero ("close to being one" because ANYone can kill someone) then HE would be out on the battle field shooting rocket launchers and such - not sitting inside of the white house in perfect comfort. Now for the cost of lives: 400 and counting soldiers lost, but that doesn't even compare to the civilians lost. Civilians lost: [Min] - 7898; [Max] - 9729. Keep in mind, that in april the administration said they were going to stop counting civilian deaths - then public outcry made them change thier mind to some extent.
Now the reason you may have never heard any of this, is because the news tells what the ruling power wants it to tell - and they do it for profit. They always have, and they might always will. If Bush was truly worried about threats to freedoms he'd do the following:
1) Cease and destroy acts such as the PATRIOT Act - because these threats are the largest threats to American freedoms in the history of America. When you have a leader doing this, and a mass of people who follow him mindlessly, there is a threat to American Freedoms.
2) Cease interfering with World affairs (affairs is probably spelled wrong), and rid foriegn policy (those are WHY the terrorists attacked and always will attack until we stop. I mean, the foriegn policy basically allows us to train soldiers in towns of other countries - and that includes killing the townspeople).
3) He would take away much of the pointless laws we have.

Bush knew of 9/11 before it happened, he shipped Osama's family out of America, on a plane, without even questioning them. Once, military forces had Osama Bin Laden cornered, and all they did was ask "now what do we do?". Bin Laden is still alive. Why? Well of course: the administration can continue to gain more power then the Bill of Rights allow, they can continue searching for ways to get profit (including wars for oil, to help his old friends in the oil industry), and use it in the 2004 elections to say "With me, we can catch Bin Laden". The Bush family also has done deals with the Osama family, including a meeting only a month or two before 9/11. I know it sounds insane, and conspiracy nut-like, but believe me, I have been researching this stuff over a year... for god sakes it is has become a hobby of mine.

Conlusion: Bush is no hero. He is a currupt politician - one of many that history has delt.

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[Krylo]

Food for thought, all of that Forsaken one... although I would like to see some sources on the later points (the ones you admitted as sounding insane), and in the beginning about the concentration camps in iraq. It's not that I don't 'trust' you, but rather that I'm a bit of an optimist and don't want to believe it... also anyone oppossing you will discard it as hearsay, and I'm certainly not going to quote it unless I have some kind of respectable sources. And without those sources, when they discard that part of your arguement... they'll most likely discard the rest of it.

Also, whitemage. Exactly how you ended that last post didn't sink in until just now, and I'd like to point out that it is a rather large breach of the no flaming rule. Now, I hope the mods don't act too harshly with you, unless you continue along these lines, as that you seem fairly intelligent other than the constantly harsh tone. I'm simply saying you might want to tone things down, and if you are unable to do so, you should perhaps wait a few minutes after reading something to post it. Or at least read your posts over before posting them, and looking for things that will get you in trouble. I'd rather not see someone banned so soon.

[Squishy Cheeks]

I'm a liberal? Since when? I'd say I'm more of a civil libertarian. My ancestors fought to build this country in 1776, My ancestors fought to preserve it in the civil war, and my ancestor fought to support this nation during the world wars. I'll be damned if I let a bunch of right wing extremists destroy the constitutution and turn this country into a fascist state. The Bush administration through their actions have proven to be the greatest threat to American Civil Rights this country has ever known. To the point of conscentration camps. If we have none, then what the hell is camp x-ray? Last time I checked we were completely ignoring the Geneva convention with that palce.

[FunnyLooking]

<1) Cease and destroy acts such as the PATRIOT Act - because these threats are the largest threats to American freedoms in the history of America.>

I dunno. McCarthy's Red Scare comes kind of close.

<2) Cease interfering with World affairs >

NO! You can't just close your eyes to the outside world. You can't just allow genocide and oppression to go on, while covering your ears and going 'Lalalala'. The only way we have a chance at STOPPING terrorism is if we participate in world affairs. Do you honestly believe the terrorists will say, "Oh, America isn't the devil anymore!"? Isolationism is one of the most arrogant beliefs around.

[Metacide]

This thread is just a hot bed of contention isnt it? Democrat vs. Republican vs. the rest of us. I have no problem with Bush as a Person. Though if I knew him personally I think that i would despise him, but I digress. His politics are questionable, but I cannot blame him for them, many of his policies have been suggested to him by his board of advisor's, so many of these things we accredit to him are really his advisor's fault, it is just that he is gullible, or atleast seems to be, and he cannot see how said policies will adversely affect the part of America he cannot empathize with, the not rich part of America that is.
I have found that the best way to get unbiased news of America's actions is to watch Canadian news. I still watch American news, but I take it with a dash of salt.
And White Mage please choose your words with more care. The way you put things makes you seem ignorant, prejudiced, or worse. wuite frankly it is quite offensive fairly often.
This is just semantics but wouldn't it be better to say that you are comparing and contrasting Bush with Hitler?

[Whitemage]

If Bush didn't want war.... then why... OH WHY... has he done TWO wars in the past TWO years!? Does he have split personality dissorder? (No offense to anyone who would have that)
See, you just proved my point. You had to make a side note to make sure you meant no offence to people with a mental disease, afraid you might be labeld as discrimitave. Boo hoo fuggity hoo.

Bush doesn't deal with that bullcrap, Bush is a REAL American. He defends his country, kills the badguys, saves the enslaved, and has enough time left to be a loving father and a good husband. He's what being the president is all about.

Now I'm not saying maybe George doesn't have some hidden agendas, I trust politicians as far as I can throw them. But considering the douche for brain presidents we could've had like Al Gore, I'd say he's doing a swell job.

Al Gore would've just watched over his lockbox like that guy from Lord of the Rings. "My preciouuuuuus!" Infact I connect many of today's ploliticans to LotR.

George W. Bush=Legalos.
O Reily=Gandolf.
Dick Channey=A dwarf.

Yeah, Bush looks like a very old elf to me, anyway.. my point is things are not that bad. ANYTIME the goverment tries to do something to help us out you guys start with your stupid battle cry "I'M BEING OPRESSED!" The irony is that YOU opress yourselves with that political correct mumbo jumbo. "Oh, I mean no offence to people with split personality, despite how your total nutjobs who could be a danger to us all.."

Even if your facts are straight, you have no guts man. Go back to Russia. The cold war was a good example of all talk and no action..

[FunnyLooking]

Wow, that was a huge tangent Whitemage. Stay on topic. Conservatives also believe in political correctness (a different kind, but still do), but get into that sometime else.

Bush has done many many many stupid and horrible things to this country. Just because he declared this apparently wonderful war you love, does not instantly make him a good president. Making 'shortcuts' to due process in the Patriot Act is a very dangerous thing. Just because they aren't bad comparitively doesn't mean they aren't bad. Another thing that frightens me about the Patriot Act is its name. Sounds so Orwellian.

[Sakae]

Whitemage, that was one of the most inane arguments for Bush I have ever heard. Don't take this as flaming, but your "points" are at the intellectual level of "Highlights for Children".

Bush doesn't deal with that bullcrap, Bush is a REAL American. He defends his country, kills the badguys, saves the enslaved, and has enough time left to be a loving father and a good husband. He's what being the president is all about.
Sorry to break it to you, but life isn't an action movie. It's not all black & white, and there is such a thing as consequences. "kills the badguys" That's a very simplistic view of the people who have been killed during Bush'd administration. If you do some research, a very large percentage of those people are non-combatents, i.e. civilians. Now, the people criticisizing Bush aren't saying deposing Saddam was a good thing (although it is debateable), but they're criticisizing his dishonesty and disingenuity in leading the nation's first pre-emptive war on a soveriegn nation. Try to remember back a year or so ago, when Bush was making his case for war in Iraq. "Oh, he's connected with Osama, he funds terrorists." Well, so does Iran and Saudi Arabia. "Uh, he's building weapons of mass destruction, he tried to buy uranium from Africa." No and no. "Did I mention the human rights violations, he gasses his own people!" What? And that's connected with 9-11 how? Alright, if we "liberate" Iraq for humanitarian reasons, when do we go after North Korea or the countless African nations who've committed far worse atrocities? You see, the main point of contention for those attacking Bush is that he is a hypocrite and a genuine danger to the world.

Al Gore would've just watched over his lockbox like that guy from Lord of the Rings. "My preciouuuuuus!" Infact I connect many of today's ploliticans to LotR.

George W. Bush=Legalos.
O Reily=Gandolf.
Dick Channey=A dwarf.
Alright, I really hope you're not being serious here. Saying Al Gore couldn't have pointed to a map of Afghanistan and said "boom" is very silly. And comparing real people to fictional characters is truly stupid, as those characters would probably be tried for war crimes in real life.

my point is things are not that bad. ANYTIME the goverment tries to do something to help us out you guys start with your stupid battle cry "I'M BEING OPRESSED!" The irony is that YOU opress yourselves with that political correct mumbo jumbo. "Oh, I mean no offence to people with split personality, despite how your total nutjobs who could be a danger to us all.."
Apparantly, you have no appreciation of the rights you have. The bill of rights is the sole reason you're able to sit in your chair and post your opinions online. That very document is being eroded by this administration's legislation, and what people here are worried about is how far it will go. If you look at the rights volated by the PATRIOT I & II acts, you can clearly see a very dangerous trend emerge. It doesn't take much imagination to see America become a police state within a few years.

Even if your facts are straight, you have no guts man. Go back to Russia. The cold war was a good example of all talk and no action..
Are you really that stupid? I'm sorry, I truly cannot tell whether or not you are trolling or not. Are you saying that you would have wanted America to engage in Nuclear war against a nation with an equal arsenal and firepower? If your wishes had come true, likely you would not be alive today.

[Metacide]

whitemage how old are you? you sound like a petulant 13 or 14 year old. Thinking Bush is some kind of hero, when in reality he has done very little good is just ludicrous. You say you defend religion, when i n reality u just defend christianity, and all of its off shoots. In the Iraqi religion, i forget what it is called, they list many American ideals as evil. Who are we to say who is the bad guy? Bush is responisible for the death of so many civilians he should be tried as a war criminal, not praised as a hero.
are u sayin that people with split personalities are somehow dangerous and should just be killed? That is extremely ignorant of you. It becomes apparent to me how very little you actually know. You are so willing to express your opinions on matters yet they are not based in fact. That makes most of what you say invalid.

[Whitemage]

Whitemage, that was one of the most inane arguments for Bush I have ever heard. Don't take this as flaming, but your "points" are at the intellectual level of "Highlights for Children".
Bees like honey. ^_^

And to Meta"geno"cide: (Damn I'm good! XD)

I have respect for all religouns, but as an American I feel it's my duty to defend my country whenever I can. It's just the right thing to do..

And I have faith Bush will do the right thing, his father was a good president, so why wouldn't he be?

And if you must know I defend quite many other religouns besides Christianity. On the religoun test at select smart the best religoun for me was Hiduism at a whopping 100%. Even my least which was Jehova's Witnesses was 25%. I care deeply about religoun because of it's willpower to try and help people and make them happy. If more people were religous, we wouldn't have to rely on these stupid politics in the first place.

And if you must know, I have no offical religoun but am quite on the edge of a Buddhist by my beliefs and what I strive for. Now I know any of you with a little knowledge and a little ego are going to meation how crappy of a Buddhist I am, but hey, I don't care. You aint me, you just see what I let you, there's alot more to me then just a guy with a big mouth and a short fuse. I feel upset when I kill a roach, I can be a very merciful and compassionate guy. But stupidity angers me, because it's what stops us from being happy. When others are unhappy, I am unhappy. And I only speak the truth when I talk, so unless you find it wrong to speak the truth, you got nothing to build the solid foundation on that I am just another moron who happens to like talking..

[Fabricated]

And I have faith Bush will do the right thing, his father was a good president, so why wouldn't he be?

Uh, because he's not his dad? And who says Bush Sr. was a good president anyway? Did he get reelected?

And if you must know I defend quite many other religouns besides Christianity. On the religoun test at select smart the best religoun for me was Hiduism at a whopping 100%. Even my least which was Jehova's Witnesses was 25%. I care deeply about religoun because of it's willpower to try and help people and make them happy. If more people were religous, we wouldn't have to rely on these stupid politics in the first place.

And if you must know, I have no offical religoun but am quite on the edge of a Buddhist by my beliefs and what I strive for. Now I know any of you with a little knowledge and a little ego are going to meation how crappy of a Buddhist I am, but hey, I don't care. You aint me, you just see what I let you, there's alot more to me then just a guy with a big mouth and a short fuse. I feel upset when I kill a roach, I can be a very merciful and compassionate guy. But stupidity angers me, because it's what stops us from being happy. When others are unhappy, I am unhappy. And I only speak the truth when I talk, so unless you find it wrong to speak the truth, you got nothing to build the solid foundation on that I am just another moron who happens to like talking..

I have no fucking clue what you're trying to say right here, so I'm going to post a picture of a Ninja Pirate.

http://enclothe.com/shirts/ninjapirate-detail.gif

[Hamelin]

This has no place in a discussion about Bush, will you please keep it on topic.

Frankly, I don't think there's anything else new to bring up in this topic.

[Metacide]

i agree, either you like him or you dont and its not likely you will change ur opinion

[TheZeroMan]

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country."
-Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946)
Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and Hitler's designated successor. The second in command of the Third Reich

"These [terrorist] attacks are not inevitable. They are, however, possible, and this very fact underscores the reason we cannot live under the threat of blackmail…The terrorist threat to America and the world will be diminished the moment that Saddam Hussein is disarmed."

-George W Bush (1946- )
Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces
President of the United States of America


And this quote is another reason Bush will never get my vote:

"There should be limits on freedom of speech." -George W. Bush.

I also have serious issues with anyone who will send out the military and yet cut the pay of the average soldier in the field by hundreds of dollar a month.

And Bill Clinton was the best Republican president since Reagan. That why republicans hate him, he did every thing they wanted to do under the liberal banner, and was successful and loved. They were just jealous.

Man that all I can think about right now I ahd several long and detailed arguements but blah....

[Neverwhere]

Best republican president? He was a Democrat...

[Metacide]

i think that might have been a joke...

[TheZeroMan]

You win a cookie. though it was supposed to be dripping in irony. A lot of Clinton's polices were very "republican".

Though my favorite thing out the clinton thing was New Ginrich or however his name is spelled lashing out about Clinton's immoral behavior then he has an affair with his wife.

[Trev-MUN]

Okay, in the Newgrounds BBS this resume was posted and I made some comments about it - I don't know if anyone has already pointed out what I have seen, and this isn't quite following the current course of the discussion, but these things are interesting considerations:

The resume repeats itself many times over about Bush and the economic fall the U.S. has experienced. Something we should all consider is that economic measures often take a while to actually show an effect. It may very well be that Clinton's policies - or at least the congress of Clinton's administration - are responsible for this.

People like to forget that the downturn was already starting as Bush was taking office - how could it be his fault?

In a little over two years, I created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided since the Civil War.

Uh huh. So what was Vietnam? The social unrest that shook America then was far more of a cleft in the American people. Certainly NOT this. To compare this to the Civil War is like saying half the states in the U.S. are on the verge of leaving the union.

I am the first U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than by their immediate neighbour, North Korea.

What're we doing to them? Running the South Koreans over with tanks? Pfft. A majority of the anti-Americanism from South Korea comes from the fact the U.S. has a base that aids the ROK forces there and that most of the youth weren't around during the Korean war (and reportedly a majority of the older S. Koreans support the U.S. ... or so I hear), much like the American youth of today - including me - were not born and did not experience the turmoil Vietnam caused.

I removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any president in U.S. history.
I signed more laws and executive orders effectively amending or ignoring the Constitution than any president in history (e.g. The Patriot Act).

During the Civil War, Abraham Lincom pretty much violated most of the constitution in his bid to save it. So far it's just the Patriot Act that is removing our freedoms, and it definitely didn't go as far as Old Abe did. Still, the Patriot Act needs to go. It's still a bad idea and a bad sign.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most resented country in the world, possibly the largest failure of diplomacy in World history.

You know what? When I saw those planes hit the twin towers, I knew this would happen. I even contemplated drawing a little political cartoon of someone burning an American flag, then on the day of 9/11 burning a candle, then the day after burning two American flags and saying "I've got to make up for lost time! :D :D :D"

These are just a few things I noticed right off the top of the bat. There are things I agree with in the resume, but some of it is coming off as anti-Bush propaganda.

[FoRSAkeN_oNe]

For sources on things I have said, go to the following:
http://undergroundactionalliance.org/
http://www.aclu.org/
http://undergroundactionalliance.org/theterrorstate/essay.php?id=8 (even if it is just an essay. I have heard it many times before, and perhaps you can find it if you do not believe me... even if it is shocking)
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6494000%5E401,00.html
http://www.public-i.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=502&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=438103
http://www.infowars.com (although it seems they can be a bit "conspiracy nut-like" at times, they have said some shocking stuff that turned out to be true)
http://forsaken_f1_one.tripod.com/distress/ (this is my political site, and most of the sources I have found are on it. and most of the time - I can't remember when I didn't - when I say opinion, I will say it is opinion, because lieing in the news can be very, VERY bad for the public, and for yourself).

Now, onto whitemage. I agree with "Funny Looking" that you obviously don't care about freedoms if you mock those who claim they are being opressed. Not to sound like I am flamming you, but that talk about Bush being a hero definitely sounded like children babbling. Now, you said you feel bad for steping on a roach... so... I guess those people we kill in wars... they are worse then insects? I mean, I am for living in peace with animals and all of that, but that is a real insult to say anyone who is at war with us, is below insects - which basically says they are inhuman.
Funny Looking, I like how you put the tittle for the "PATRIOT Act" - "PATRIOT Act. That sounds very Orwellian". Well put indeed.

[sushigaski]

1) If you don't believe that oral SEX is just as much SEX as penetration. Then you're like those slutty girls on Girls Gone Wild and whatever respect I had for you is gone. Nice job.

2) Wait Wait wait the fugg WAIT! You mean to tell me it's the country's buisness that our president has a speech impendemant but not our buisness that he is a complete whore and is SUPPOSE to be an idol for children?! -_O





This is why I have trouble believing in God. If I were God I would've killed all you liberal crackmuts a long time ago..

Gah, dammit, it's posts like this that make people think that conservatives are all gun-toting psychos with medieval racist sexist etc ideals!

Now, I'd enter the debate if there were anything worth debating, but I've learned on other forums that republicans are elitist assholes who don't have anything better to do than flame democrats, and democrats are elitist assholes who don't have anything better to do than bash republicans. Neither of you will concede any points, you'll just yell and moan and whine and say "I'm right!" Kill this topic already. It's old. It's dead. There is no use.

And for the record, I'm neither a republican or a democrat, though I concede that I am more conservative than liberal, especially when it comes to fiscal matters and religious issues. I like compromise, though. And there, you can all see my bias, I don't try to hide it, and I expect everyone to take everything I say with a grain of salt because of it.

[VeritasHertz]

I'm not quite sure what to say... I feel I should express my opinion, but on the same breath I don't want to stoke the flames anymore... hmmm. Perhaps it is best that I remain quiet on this subject.

With one exception, I believe Whitemage said that Bush Jr. would be a good president because Bush sr. was, which is a non-sequitor unless you believe that personality is hereditary, which simply isn't true. If you really want sources, I could direct you to books on psychology or genetics. Basic understanding of both topics will reveal how genes transfer physical attributes (not memories or personality), and how general upbringing affects the psyche.

[Lost in Time]

I belive Bush is a good president in these times of crisis. I mean just think what would happen if Al Gore or Ralf Nader was president (No really, think about it). But than again, I think Saddam must have something with the Bush family because everytime we have a Bush president, we have a war with Saddam. Crazy! But if Gore was president, only the 'what if' world knows that.

[FunnyLooking]

Wait wait wait... the lesser of two evils should never be considered good. Plus, what crises are you talking about? The terrorists? What, if Nader was president, the Patriot Act would've never gone through? (well, okay, technically I don't know that) But 'it could've been worse' doesn't mean it couldn't be SO much better. Bush isn't a good president just because someone else might've been worse.

[FoRSAkeN_oNe]

I love your responses Funny Looking. Good points as always. I was thinking similarily. Well, I would make a more in depth response, but I said all I wanted to say, and I have stuff to read and write.

[Mrflibble]

I belive Bush is a good president in these times of crisis. I mean just think what would happen if Al Gore or Ralf Nader was president (No really, think about it). But than again, I think Saddam must have something with the Bush family because everytime we have a Bush president, we have a war with Saddam. Crazy! But if Gore was president, only the 'what if' world knows that.


It could also be said that Bush is creating more chrisisi(What is the plural of chrisis?) then needed. I'd think it would drag the topic off a little bit. But what would Al Gore or Rhalph Nader do that would be worse then Bush? How would it be worse then Bush and why?

[Stover]

This is going to be fun. And probably stated before as well, but thats ok.

Next, keep in mind that I use sarcasm. A lot. If something suddenly seems to contidict itself, take this into account.

COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
1) Graduating from college is more than most Americans can say.
2) Graduating from such a prestegious college is even more.
3) Have you ever met a male cheerleader? They are on par with male ballet dancers. You might think they are pussies, but then you find out that they are both 5 times more coordinated and 3 times stronger than you. Damn, what a bad thing to be.


PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
So did Lincolin. I guess he sucked too, then.

With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
Because there is no way in Hell that Bush could have possibly been eletcted on his own. Also, I like the use of the term "right-wing." It really shows the unbiased POV.

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
Both of these things are rarely (if ever) the fault of the person who is currently in charge; instead, the antecedent(s) are most often at fault. Now, I'm not saying Bush has absolutely no blame, because he does have some coming at him. You just can't pin all of it on him. In fact, you can't pin most of it on him.

I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history.
And?

With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.
Once again, because there is no way that Bush could have gotten the majority of votes in Florida, Jeb must have stacked/stuffed the votes.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
How many did Teddy occupy? How many did he outright annex? What was that Mexican War thing about? This letter makes it sound like Bush is doing something new here.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
I set the record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
I said it once and I'll say it again: economic faliures are usually the fault of the antecedent, not the contemporary. The Great Depression was no more Hoover's fault than this is Bush's.

I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
I set the the all-time presidential record for most days on vacation in any one year period.
I don't know about these. Should they be true, then they are some rather unfriendly bits of information. But, considering the minor slant of what's come so far, I am confident that these are completely true.

I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.history.
WRONG. The greatest security faliure in American history was presided over by a president often ranked in the top 10 presidents of all time: Franklin Roosevelt. What was this? Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941. 2000 American soldiers dead, 12 or so ships sunk, 10 more damaged (some beyond repair), 130 aircraft destroyed, runways demolished, etc. No two ways about it, 12-9 was worse than 9-11. Sorry guys, but you can't stick that on Bush.

In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
Yeah, that wasn't too hot on Bush's part. No defense offered.

In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
In FDR's first term, America's jobless rate was something like 15%. By the end of his third, it was around 25%.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in war time.
I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
Once again, not slick on Bush's part. In fact, I'd call it "unslick" as in "holy shit, that's bad."

I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.
WRONG. The attack on Spanish holdings in the Phillipeans holds that distinction (Oh, but they blew up the Maine! Bullshit, the Spanish didn't do crap). This was followed up by the invasion of Cuba, also unprovoked. Then there's that whole Mexican War thing.

I created the Department of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government .
I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court.
And?
That was less than hot there, Bush.
Wilson did that first.
(In that order).

I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
Not a good idea, Bush. Didn't think that one through, did you? Probably should have.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. history. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during the election decision.
So? He's friends with Kenneth Lay. Enron put their name in the Astros stadium. Does that make the Astros bad? The next point seems to be faulting the Republicans for trying to win their case. Dirty bastards, argueing their own point.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.
More time and money were spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than have been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate ripoffs in history.
I garnered sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
I changed U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Once again, all of these things are quite damning. In fact, they are very damning.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein to justice.
This is 100% not his fault. Don't even try to stick the blame on him for that.

All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
Try seeing how many of these things you can get for other presidents. You'll find that they are supprising low.

[FunnyLooking]

<Have you ever met a male cheerleader?>

Who said he was a male cheerleader? :D

<You just can't pin all of it on him. In fact, you can't pin most of it on him.>
(in reference to Bush with lax pollution policies)
Actually, you can. If the antecedent had really been all that bad, he could have tightened pollution policies. THEN you can't pin most of it on him.

<I said it once and I'll say it again: economic faliures are usually the fault of the antecedent, not the contemporary. The Great Depression was no more Hoover's fault than this is Bush's>
(in reference to both the economy and government's lack of having a surplus)
Uh... spending the surplus isn't Bush's fault? Not to mention that the Great Depression happened before Hoover was elected.

[Stover]

<Have you ever met a male cheerleader?>

Who said he was a male cheerleader? :D
... if there was a "thumbs down" smilie, I'd put it here.


<You just can't pin all of it on him. In fact, you can't pin most of it on him.>
(in reference to Bush with lax pollution policies)
Actually, you can. If the antecedent had really been all that bad, he could have tightened pollution policies. THEN you can't pin most of it on him.
So if it was bad and getting worse when Bush came into (governor) office, its his fault that he couldn't stop it? Granted, he did very little to stop it, which is why he is partially at fault.

Uh... spending the surplus isn't Bush's fault? Not to mention that the Great Depression happened before Hoover was elected.
...the Stockmarket crash that triggered and heralded the Great Depression happened on Oct 9, 1929. I know the inaguration dates have been moved arund over the course of history, but a president was always in office by October.

[Mr. Wind-Up Bird]

To quote www.theangryliberal.com

"Pick your favorite measure of presidential success: Peace, prosperity, economic health, honesty, world wide respect, job security, environment, human rights, Wall Street, size and intrusiveness of government, deficit spending, education, health care, whatever. There is literally not a single aspect of our lives that hasn't worsened under the leadership of George W. Bush."

[FunnyLooking]

Whoops, my bad on the Great Depression thing.

<So if it was bad and getting worse when Bush came into (governor) office, its his fault that he couldn't stop it? Granted, he did very little to stop it, which is why he is partially at fault.>

No, it's just that it was bad and he did something to make it worse. That's like pouring oil on a fire. He didn't start the fire, but he sure as hell didn't try to stop it. It's not all his fault, but it's fair to mostly blame him for it.

[Raerlynn]

Let me point out a very important, very over-looked point here:

The war on Iraq started around 1990's. We kicked Iraqi butt. Politicians said, well we beat them back, let them be. So the UN placed their little embargo, BUT the article (can't remember exact number) that stated nuclear disarmament had one very important point that everyone overlooked in their rush to bash Bush. Bush doesn't have to prove that Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction. Not in the slightest. The entire burden of proof rested on Saddam to complete and total disarmament, to be verified on-site by U.N. Weapons Inspectors.

All Bush did was enforce that article. Much of the U.N. that came up with that that article didn't support him. So how is it wrong for us to back a threat we made against a hostile country. (And don't try to tell me Iraq was not hostile before this or 9/11. Iraq has been hostile for a long time.)