Digimon is Fuckd'up

[Bells]

i wanted to call this thread for quite some time actually...

have you ever watched, say, Pepe Lepew when you were about 5 and said "Oh pepe, your shannennigans are ever so much fun!", and then at 18 you went "Damn, that some crazy ass rapist skunk...." ?

So.. that's nice, hum? I want to talk about when anime goes like that... not the all emo-like stuff from Trigun, Hellsing and Evangelion... no no, im talking about some more subtle crazy mindfucks.

Like Digimon...

So i'll start with my strong point; Digimon 3. Tamers.

In particular, this little nutcase:

http://www.geocities.com/sunblossoms89/ddJuripuppet.jpg

Now, Digimon being the cheerful clone of Pokemon, it has had some merit in it's sucess. It provides with what Pokemon wont (and never will). But just like Pepe, the way you look at it changes to way it can freak you out...

Jeri Katou is at first a quirky little school girl. She has a sock puppet, and the main character has a crush on her. She is the range of 10-15 years old (i really dont know her age). Later on the show, she gets her own Digimon to fight evil!

But, on another view...

Her father owns a bar, where she works as a waitress (way to raise the bar for future goals there dad!!) and even helps her dad to deal with druken customers... now, the bar probably isnt doing so well (since dad cant freakin hire help... ) but this could just be a simple Daughter-Dad situation... untlill we probe a little deeper.
This is a 10-15 year old kid, who uses sock puppets to communicate and befriend people. Her mother died not too long ago, she didnt accept her stepmother. Ok...

Later on she does get her Digimon, and it's a good one! Leomon! ...But she did kinda force herself to BE his choosen digimaster, so i get Leomon is into that sort of stuff... ok.

But here is the kicker. Not only is this a really trouble little child (that is likely to be a really trouble adult later on), and she is off fighting evil with her friends of Fantasy land... but not too long after she gets Leomon, freaking dude gets IMPALED in the chest in front of her. Dies, and does not reborn as an egg, because he is absorved. Gone forevah!

And in that point in time, she just goes spiriling down to a pool of chaos and depression to such a degree, that she becomes the best candidate to be abducted by the "D-Reaper", and her grief and angst becomes fuel to a computer virus that is basicly the "anti" solution to all life and technology on the planet... to a degree that it takes some serious Deus Ex-Machina momments just to solve the situation.

So... my point is that, Digimon, as a kids show, is disturbing in that way... and Evangelion can suck it.

And im not even going to get into the "Dreamland" scapist issues, or the "Post life and death" parts in Digimon 4. And let me just say this about digimon 2... if my kid were always trapped in his room, wearing a freaking cape and laughing like a maniac i would simple say "Hey there champ... you're starting to freak daddy out a bit there... what you say we quit this crap and i'll take you to the park to play some ball, huh?"

[POS Industries]

Yeah, there's a reason Digimon Tamers was as messed up as it was. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiaki_J._Konaka)

[Eltargrim]

POS, you just made the world make slightly greater sense.

Cheers.

[Kerensky287]

I haven't seen Digimon in friggin' AGES.

I may check it out again at some point soon just for the mindfucks you mention... I'll probably forget, but yeah, it's interesting how you interpret things so differently after a few years.

[Regulus Tera]

Fuck you, Digimon Tamers was the best out of the first four (never watched season five).

[Julford Hajime]

The second you mentioned Jeri is the moment I realized you were completely right. Though I don't know if she ever got better, because I never finished the series. After the Beelzemon/Gallantmon (Or Beelzebumon/Dukemon, whatever) fight, I stopped downloading the torrent, because FUCK things weren't gonna get any better than that.

Though Impmon was so awesome I never held killing off Leomon against guy. Apparently he gets some sort of awesome redemption thing later, but I'm lazy and don't have the space on my computer for the rest of the series anyway.

[Eltargrim]

Man, the same guy who did Lain and RahXephon did a Digimon series. Still tripping over this.

[Regulus Tera]

The second you mentioned Jeri is the moment I realized you were completely right. Though I don't know if she ever got better, because I never finished the series.

She did, but Leomon remained dead. :(

[bluestarultor]

I was rather unhappy when the revelation got to me. Even as a non-main character, he was a decent guy in earlier appearances. In the context of the series as far as I've seen, he's simultaneously one of very FEW decent people in the series and the only one who has a brain. They basically killed off their best character forever.

Edit: I did see a bit of it, and actually the particular episode. After seeing it, I pretty much gave up on the series. On top of being the only really redeemable character, he was also one of the most powerful ones at their disposal as far as I could tell. Just seemed pointless.

[Possum Knight]

I have no idea why you;d have to look back on this and think it was crazy. When i first watched it as a kid i was scarred. Especially when she got all depressed/emo/D-Reaperfied. Not to mention Leomon getting an old fashioned stabbin.

Some messed up stuff at the time.

Oh and seconded, forget your Evangelion.

[Mirai Gen]

I watched first two seasons of Digimon, and I think I caught the third where the next generation includes the youngest two and the others are all grown up teenagers or something? It seemed okay.

Having looked at BSM's summary and POS' link I'm kind of glad I didn't.

[POS Industries]

Actually, I consider Tamers to be my favorite of the franchise. Digimon Adventure 01 took far too long to pick up steam, though I did thoroughly enjoy DA02, in spite of its main cast being largely ripped off in design from the cast of Chrono Trigger. Then again, that may have also been part of its charm. And then Digimon Frontier was just godawful.

But yeah, Tamers was pretty great. Wholly inappropriate for kids, but totally great.

[Mirai Gen]

Then maybe I'll check it out? That was a pretty huge swing to make from my angle.
Digimon Adventure 01 took far too long to pick up steam, though I did thoroughly enjoy DA02,
I remember DA01 taking absolutely forever to get anywhere, yeah, but once it did I actually got a kick out of it. Didn't get too far into DA02, not sure why, but I think it was because they aired Beast Machines right before it and that show was making me ill every time it came on.

Once I get through the archives of MST3K I just got into maybe I'll check out Trainers or 02.

Note: Weregarurumon's transformation sequence was awesome.

[Kim]

I remember liking the Digimon movie when I first watched it, but I could barely handle the corny when I tried to watch it recently. That said, villain monster thing was pretty badass.

[Bells]

Digimon tamers is also my only and favourite Digimon season, for the sole purpose of being this much of a can of crazy. Also, i get a kick out of telling people that Digimon is more Psycological depressing than Elfen Lied, Evangelion and Trigun... and then proving it.

It beats the comatose, dead-but-no-really-he-is-alive Koji in Digimon 4, and the Cosplaying psycopath with a cape that locked himself in his room to make online threats that was that emo kid in Digimon 2... Digimon 1 was the only one that saved itself aside from the fact that, in the symbolism department, a Demon kills a Angel. But it's all good.

Also, if you guys want to check out Tamers but dont want to see the whole series, check out the tamers Movie. "Runaway locomon", the entire movie is about Daddy issues! you can catch it even on youtube

[Donomni]

Tamers is essentially a giant shout-out to H.P. Lovecraft, actually.

Which explains all the insanity as well as the fact as it'll mentally scar any kid that watches it.

You know, before they get to middle school.

[Aerozord]

I knew digimon was messed up from day one, and by day one I mean season one. I just didn't pay much attention to it since after watching steven king's IT at the age of 6 I've basically been desensatised to most forms of nightmare fuel (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NightmareFuel)

[Krazeh Penguin]

I've seen all of the first season of Digimon, though that was a long time ago, and I've seen bits of the second, but the seconds even more of a blur than the first was. >_> I need to watch it again.

[Osterbaum]

Am I the only one who thinks Digimon was utter crap?

Or is that just my view because of the terrible dubbing?

[Kaneda]

I remember liking the Digimon movie when I first watched it, but I could barely handle the corny when I tried to watch it recently. That said, villain monster thing was pretty badass.

I haven't been exposed to all that much Digimon, but I remember the movie being 90 minutes of solid badass.

[Lumenskir]

Honestly, as a young kind watching Saturday morning cartoons, I don't think anything could ever have hoped to top the second part of this episode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ikLepw__s), where a giant werewolf catches a ride on a even bigger missile fired from a flying cyborg T-Rex, and then when that doesn't work the shows gives us Warpdigivolving and leaves our parents to pick up the mess from all the exploded brain.

Digimon was probably one of the most perfect brainless cartoons, especially for a kid like me who liked Pokemon but got bored with how show Pikachu just demolished everything all the time. You basically got to see each member of the cast turn into a giant monster each week, and then when you ran out cast members you just went back up to the top of the list and said ok, now let's run that again except this time you turn into a BIGGER monster.
I haven't been exposed to all that much Digimon, but I remember the movie being 90 minutes of solid badass.
From what I dimly remember of the movie, it was pretty much a final episode where everyone had already been turned into the biggest monster possible, except that wasn't enough so they dig deep and find out that if you add two bigger monsters together it just keeps equaling more bigger monster, which is undeniably great.

Except wasn't there something at the end where the Angel digimon went crazy or something?

[Ryong]

I can only remember the first two ones being stupidly great and then hating everything else later. I like direct sequels, darnit.

[Red Fighter 1073]

hahahahahahahhahaha omg wow, I never realized just how fucked up Digimon Tamers or any of the Digimon series were. Granted, I loved Season 1 and 2 back when I was a clueless little 8 year old, so all of the weird emo kid threatening kids online went right by me and I never really thought that much into it.

I will say that I hated Digimon Tamers after awhile because I liked the characters from the first two seasons a lot more, but I stopped watching during the season where they were fighting a fucking blob of goo or something like that which I never really understood. It just seemed like such a stupid idea for an enemy. The mind control devices in Digimon Season 1 used to give me nightmares though because I've always been afraid of stuff like that.

And I don't know much at all about anything after Season 3 because I pretty much stopped after Season 3, but the first Digimon movie was sickkk though.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

From what I dimly remember of the movie, it was pretty much a final episode where everyone had already been turned into the biggest monster possible, except that wasn't enough so they dig deep and find out that if you add two bigger monsters together it just keeps equaling more bigger monster, which is undeniably great.

Except wasn't there something at the end where the Angel digimon went crazy or something?
Having just watched the Digimon in celebration of Finals being over (college kids are crazy sometimes), it actually has a good soundtrack* and animation. It's just that the movie is fundamentally terrible in the way you expect all childhood programmings to be fundamentally terrible. That is with stupid amounts of power creep, heavy handed themes, and all around quirky side stories and dialogue.

The first half is much better than the second though. Fuck those little kids and the gay clown. Also it just gets ridiculously crazy near the end.

Also, I always liked Digimon Tamers more than the other seasons. I guess the entire trauma thing seemed a bit more real than everything being happy go lucky, and not particularly lovecraftian.

*Special exception to the opening Digimon Rap, although that thing's hilariously terrible.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

My favorite digimon seasons would be.

1st. Season 5 (Because it’s fun watching a 15-year-old human boy punch out a 20+ ft tall digimon each episode. Plus the series got even crazier once it reached the digimon king Story arc. It made me love digimon again.)

2nd. Season 2 (I absolutely adored it. I nearly spased out when I first say it as a kid.)

3rd. Season 1 (It had what could have been one of the most awesome episodes I have ever seen.)

4th. Season 3 (Some …things happened to me around that time that I really don’t want to talk about that made this show dead to me by the time they reached the D – reaper arc. But I still managed to finish it. Henry has anger problems. I swear I use to think he was going to kill some one whenever he had one of his “moments”.)

5th. Season 4 (I tried to like it I really did. But It died on me once they reached the last story arc.)

[Regulus Tera]

1st. Season 5 (Because it’s fun watching a 15-year-old human boy punch out a 20+ ft tall digimon each episode. Plus the series got even crazier once it reached the digimon king Story arc. It made me love digimon again.)

Wait, seriously? Fuckers finally grew some balls. Might have to check it now.

[Tev]

I don't know, the one that always stuck in my head was the girl from Digimon Frontier that turned into some bondage fairy when she digi-melded-whatever with her 'mon to fight evil.

Here she is...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Zoe_intro_digimon.jpg

And all fairy'd out....
http://cf.geocities.com/digi_josied3/images/Fairymon.jpg

Anyway, the first season of Digimon wasn't so bad. It had a fun plot, a decent villain, and kept pace rather well even to the end. After that it just got silly very very fast.

3rd. Season 1 (It had what could have been one of the most awesome episodes I have ever seen.)Was it the scene where Angelwoman and Deviwoman have an honest to God flying cat fight? Because watching those two pull each others hair and scratch each other up was funny as hell and really helped break some of the tension that was building up there to the end. I mean, I'd have to go back and watch it to be sure, but I totally remember it in my mind with dialog similar too "Oh no you didn't," and "Bitch please!"

[POS Industries]

I don't know, the one that always stuck in my head was the girl from Digimon Frontier that turned into some bondage fairy when she digi-melded-whatever with her 'mon to fight evil.
Tamers involved the adolescent kids fusing with their Digimon in order to complete whatever their super-big deal evolution was, which pretty much consisted entirely of long scenes of child nudity.

[Mesden]

Am I the only one who thinks Digimon was utter crap?

Or is that just my view because of the terrible dubbing?

Well it was like pokemon only the main characters weren't insufferable retards obsessed with friendship.

I remember this one episode Tai shoved food down his dinosaur dude's throat trying to get him to do the super strong transformation again. That is one of the many reasons it's a better show than Ash "I love all my pokemanz so I'm going to stunt their growth and send them into the wild and abandon them" Ketchum.

[Bells]

Tamers involved the adolescent kids fusing with their Digimon in order to complete whatever their super-big deal evolution was, which pretty much consisted entirely of long scenes of child nudity.


There ya'go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pgRGUCNq04&feature=related)

For all the crazy it had going on for itself, one thing that digimon did right was Digivolving scenes. I mean, yeah, once you read between the lines the show can get creepy as all hell... but watch a couple of episodes, and 9 out of 10 times when you see a new Digivolve scene showing up for the first time, there you are, on the edge of your sit with eyes big as plates

[Red Fighter 1073]

Tamers involved the adolescent kids fusing with their Digimon in order to complete whatever their super-big deal evolution was, which pretty much consisted entirely of long scenes of child nudity.

Y'all are absolutely tainting what was once my good childhood memories

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Well it was like pokemon only the main characters weren't insufferable retards obsessed with friendship.

I remember this one episode Tai shoved food down his dinosaur dude's throat trying to get him to do the super strong transformation again. That is one of the many reasons it's a better show than Ash "I love all my pokemanz so I'm going to stunt their growth and send them into the wild and abandon them" Ketchum.

Yeah, and then the universe bitchslapped him and shouted "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!", and then he digivovled into a pyscho skeletal T-rex with a fish missile mininuke on his back. I wish I could make something like that up.

So yeah, digimon was fucked up, but in an awesome way. Season 1 was the best though; best villains, best characters, best evolutions, everything was great. Then 2 fucked it all up with a crappy plot and characters I could barely stand. 3 Isn't even worth mentioning.

Also the movie, right up until just after Omnimon appears and kicks all kinds of arse is the greatest thing ever. This is a scientific fact.

[Ryong]

Yeah, and then the universe bitchslapped him and shouted "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!", and then he digivovled into a pyscho skeletal T-rex with a fish missile mininuke on his back. I wish I could make something like that up.

So yeah, digimon was fucked up, but in an awesome way. Season 1 was the best though; best villains, best characters, best evolutions, everything was great. Then 2 fucked it all up with a crappy plot and characters I could barely stand. 3 Isn't even worth mentioning.

Also the movie, right up until just after Omnimon appears and kicks all kinds of arse is the greatest thing ever. This is a scientific fact.

I really liked 1 and all, but 2 had Paildramon and Imperialdramon. Paildramon had goddamn submachine guns attached to its arms and turned into Imperialdramon, a digimon so kickass it destroyed a random castle everytime it showed up. Not to mention that Digimon 2 does one of the best things ever in my book: It's a direct sequel where the people from the first part actually look older and have actually changed. It's a rare thing to see in shows lately, what with several years passing and no one even changing their hairstyle. Yes, I'm talking about you, Pokémon and One Piece.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Imperialdramon was cool, I'll give you that, but after the movie the original crew could conjure up Omnimon, a digimon so badass he could kill 250,000 megas in 1 shot of his Ultimate Cannon of Infinite DOOM!

Also the original had more Gomamon. This is reason enough to like it more.

[Aerozord]

Hey anyone remember how exactly digimon evolved naturally? I know megas were flukes, but if I recall all the other level were attainable if certain conditions were met. Was it just one of those life-cycle deals when time is the only influence?


Yeah, and then the universe bitchslapped him and shouted "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!", and then he digivovled into a pyscho skeletal T-rex with a fish missile mininuke on his back. I wish I could make something like that up.


I WISH thats what he normally turned into, that thing was awesome and, actually abit disturbing.

Though my favorite moment was honestly when we first saw MagneAngemon. The big bad of the whole season was smacking Megas aroung, then he, an ultimate, appears and curb stomps him.

Favorite line from the series "Yes thats a good idea, cluster together and make an easier target"

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah, and then the universe bitchslapped him and shouted "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!", and then he digivovled into a pyscho skeletal T-rex with a fish missile mininuke on his back. I wish I could make something like that up.

So yeah, digimon was fucked up, but in an awesome way. Season 1 was the best though; best villains, best characters, best evolutions, everything was great. Then 2 fucked it all up with a crappy plot and characters I could barely stand. 3 Isn't even worth mentioning.

Seasons of that show blur together for me but I remember whichever one had War Greymon is it was the shit and whichever one had the villain make a War Greymon to beat the shitty cast of shitty heroes was crap-awful with the one exception of the moment where the villain made his own War Greymon to beat the shit out of the shitty cast of heroes.

[Lumenskir]

Seasons of that show blur together for me but I remember whichever one had War Greymon is it was the shit and whichever one had the villain make a War Greymon to beat the shitty cast of shitty heroes was crap-awful with the one exception of the moment where the villain made his own War Greymon to beat the shit out of the shitty cast of heroes
Season 1 introduced WarGreymon, and I remember season 2 had a DarkWarGreymon, but I don't remember a WarGreymon attacking the kids.

Of course, I'm still more of a MetalGarurumon fan. I could remember being slightly unconvinced, even as a young kid, with how easily WarGreymon was used to solve any problems ("Oh, you don't remember, his claws have Anti-Bad Guy Metal on them!"), whereas MetalGarurumon just showed up, unleashed a bunch of missiles that exploded AND froze things, and was very low key about it all things considered.

Then again, this thread is disturbingly lacking in praise of Tentomon, who was obviously the best thing to ever come out of the show.

[Tev]

Personally, I though the series did a good job building up Padamon as Ty's cute little protector that dreams for more and finally gives him ultimate power as Angelmon and then Archangelmon to backhand the villains when they needed it most.

After that, Angelmon was much less impressive to me as he had his two hours of fame at the end of the series and then for some reason stopped being nearly so cool in all the subsequent shows he made an appearance in.

[Bells]

and let's not forget that digimon touched older children with their badassery

I mean, who you think you will win in a fight?

This guy
http://ca.geocities.com/digi_josied5/images/Machinedramon.gif

Or this guy?
http://pitumbo.com/pikachu2.gif

They both are controlled by negleted kids...

[Tev]

Sadly, the robo-death-bot-mon is made of metal. At it stands, Pikachu would short every bit of him out with crazy lightning and the power of friendship......maybe after he got blown up once by the 'mon and the rat and Ash had a small training montage or learned a new life lesson about love and friends.

[Dular]

Personally, I though the series did a good job building up Padamon as Ty's cute little protector that dreams for more and finally gives him ultimate power as Angelmon and then Archangelmon to backhand the villains when they needed it most.

Now its been a very long time, but didn't Angelmon, a Champion, fight Piedmon, a Mega, and held his own for a little bit? I mean, both WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon were wasted by him.


Angelmon, you so awesome, even if you did appear for maybe 4 or 6 times in the entire show.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Now its been a very long time, but didn't Angelmon, a Champion, fight Piedmon, a Mega, and held his own for a little bit? I mean, both WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon were wasted by him.
He pretty much personified Deus Ex Machina. I mean, every time he changed he curb stomped the big bad he was fighting at the time that wasted everyone else.

Then again, that's essentially how most fights went in the show (fight, slowly losing, change, curb stomp). However, Padamon stands out because the curb stompee was always the big bad (devimon, the clown).

[bluestarultor]

Season 1 introduced WarGreymon, and I remember season 2 had a DarkWarGreymon, but I don't remember a WarGreymon attacking the kids.

Of course, I'm still more of a MetalGarurumon fan. I could remember being slightly unconvinced, even as a young kid, with how easily WarGreymon was used to solve any problems ("Oh, you don't remember, his claws have Anti-Bad Guy Metal on them!"), whereas MetalGarurumon just showed up, unleashed a bunch of missiles that exploded AND froze things, and was very low key about it all things considered.

Then again, this thread is disturbingly lacking in praise of Tentomon, who was obviously the best thing to ever come out of the show.

Tentomon was totally awesome. Totally my favorite. Even though he didn't fight much. :D


What struck me about the Greymon vs. Garurmon and upgrades was that their Digivolution scenes were given the same amount of effort and both ended up being done in 3-D, where everyone else was just animated normally, yet it was very much the Ty and Greymon show. I mean, I personally thought that Garurumon(+) was just so much more awesome, but they really did very little with it, making it seem sort of strange that it wasn't just Greymon(+) that was singled out. I personally would have liked to see everyone treated with that much effort, but it just didn't happen and it didn't make much sense.


When it comes to Patomon/Angemon, Patomon was pretty obviously singled out, as well. He was the only one who never went below Rookie(?) level (??? < Rookie < Champion < etc., wasn't it?). Yeah, the others often walked around that way, but they also went back to baby form half the time. When it came time for him to Digivolve, it made sense that a critter with the latent energy to stay in a more advanced form than the others more maintainably would suddenly unleash all that potential into something totally kick-ass, and even then, it was explained that it took a ton of energy to turn into Angemon, wasn't it? Then you have to consider the symbolism involved in basically everyone being useless against Devimon, except for Angemon because of the entire angel/devil thing. If you look at it, too, Angemon technically is modeled more after Seraphim, reputedly the highest order of angels, than more conventional angels in that he has six wings and his face is hidden. In short, he was pretty much a Deus Ex for the end of the season.

Alternatively, you also have to take into account that certain Digimon are just stupidly powerful for their level. Leomon is another example of this, as his Fist of the Beast King or whatever is capable of taking out an Ultimate in one hit, and he's only a Champion-level form.

[Aerozord]

Atleast it was an explained deus ex machina. Though they only mentioned it in season two when he stopped smacking guys around. He isn't actually that much more of a beast then the others, its just his powers are insanely effecticed against the enemies they fight. You see him fight one of those fake digimon and he went from curbstomping to mildly annoying.

And I am ashamed I forgot Tentomon's awesome.
"When we first met I thought you were just one of those computer geeks. But then as I got to know you I realized, you are one of those computer geeks"

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yeah the reason Angemon was so overpowered was because, as a Champion he was equal to an Ultimate and as an Ultimate he was equal to a Mega. This came with the downside though that his powers were mostly only effective against Virus types, which is why he kicked so much arse against most of the Big Bads, but got completely owned by things like Blackwargreymon, who wasn't really a digimon of any kind.

Also, on the Machinedramon vs. Pickachu thing, even though the Chu uses lightning, it probably wouldn't work. Machinedramon was like, the epitomy of technology, he was probably not only immune to lightning, but would likely just absorb the energy to power his ridiculously oversized cannons to epic proportions. After all, it did take a Mega with Anti-Bad Guy weapons putting all of his energy into a single attack to kill him in the first place, a bit of lightning is hardly going to faze him.

[Emong]

If you look at it, too, Angemon technically is modeled more after Seraphim, reputedly the highest order of angels...

That and his Mega-form is called Seraphimon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphimon#Seraphimon).

Also, I recall enjoying Digimon a lot more as a kid than I did Pokemon, if only because of Andromon (http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Andromon).

I love the robotic digimon for some reason and Andromon is the one that sticks out most in my mind for some reason.

[PCD]

Even when I was watching it as a kid, Season 3 was completely nuts and creepy. Like whoa. It remained my favorite for a long time, just because I really felt like the depth of the characters and the conflict of emotion was deeper than the others. Of course, upon reflection, I realize that Adventure and 02 were probably just as deep and I was too young to realize it until the third season. Could do without the Yu-Gi-Oh-style card game shit, though.

I never watched the dubbed Season 5, but it was freakin' awesome in Japanese. Indeed, a teenage boy ran around like an idiot screaming about men talking with their fists and getting into brawls with Megas, and gaining their respect for it. Also fucking BanchouLeomon what the hell.

And the hot flower-woman with a thorn whip? Who even has a shot where her boobs explicitly jiggle? Yeah, one of her attacks is called Final Temptation. She glows pink, turns naked and shoots a beam of SEX at the enemy.

]Also the original had more Gomamon. This is reason enough to like it more.

This is an extremely good point. Note seasons with Wizardmon also get an extreme advantage.