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Lumenskir
02-06-2009, 12:19 AM
Note on Forum Placement: This involves a bunch of mediums outside the scope of just TV's, movies, music, literature, etc., so I figured General would be the best possible catchall. I also thought about limiting it to just music for that forum, but the music forum is mostly vestigial at this point anyway so I figured opening it up to all medium would make for more conversation.
So, what are your sacred cows, those pieces of entertainment that you adore and revere so much you will never tolerate someone putting down or neglecting it?
I kind of realized when I made the HIMYM thread that I would be ok if someone professed a dislike for the show because even though I think it's quite possibly the best three-camera sitcom ever, it still can't escape the fact that it is a three-camera sitcom. However, I would honestly be prepared to lecture someone at length about how much of an assholish prick they are if they ever spoke neutrally (god forbid negatively) about Arrested Development.
In that same vein, I don't think I could ever form a truly deep friendship with someone who didn't like K.C. Accidental (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2aCHMf_Ybw) the first time they heard it. I'm not saying we would never get along, but I don't think I'd ever be able to let my guard down enough to form anything meaningful.
Regulus Tera
02-06-2009, 12:29 AM
I think you all know my answer.
Mirai's is Devil May Cry and POS' is FFVI, I'm suspecting.
EDIT: Oh, Solid Snake's is Metal Gear Solid and Squall Leonhart's is FFVIII.
Fifthfiend
02-06-2009, 12:39 AM
I have kind of a problem with the usage of "sacred cows" in this context as to my mind that connotes false idolatry. When I sincerely like a thing I usually extol its virtues / defend it against criticism because well, I genuinely feel that I am correct about those virtues / its critics are incorrect about its purported flaws.
Anyway, Calvin and Hobbes. Every once in a while someone will come along and try to criticize Calvin and Hobbes and their complaints are inevitably false, miss the point entirely or answered directly by the comic itself. Which will typically lead right into whichever grab-bag mix of ad hominems and other fallacies because the people who start that sort of thing are usually looking so desperately for a sacred cow to slaughter that the last thing they are willing to accept is the possibility that C&H simply was in fact that good.
Maybe Chrono Trigger in that I'll cop that I poooooosssibly was a bit overzealous in singing its praises but not so much that anymore because Chrono Trigger DS is a thing that happened and so now thinking about that game kind of makes me want to throw up a little bit so, yeah.
POS Industries
02-06-2009, 12:50 AM
Every once in a while someone will come along and try to criticize Calvin and Hobbes
This statement can't possibly be true.
POS' is FFVI, I'm suspecting.
Haha, naw, World of Ruin totally gets boring and Kefka was a retardedly underpowered endboss for someone that was literally a god. Now "Star Trek: First Contact," on the other hand, that right there is something I won't abide people talking shit about. The line must be drawn HERE. This far, no further....
....and IIII will make them pay for what they have done!
Mondt
02-06-2009, 12:54 AM
I have a hard time defending things with more than its just so fucking awesome you suck when it comes to things like this so generally I just let people say what they want, no matter how much I like it.
This isn't always true though.
01d55
02-06-2009, 12:58 AM
I have kind of a problem with the usage of "sacred cows" in this context as to my mind that connotes false idolatry. When I sincerely like a thing I usually extol its virtues / defend it against criticism because well, I genuinely feel that I am correct about those virtues / its critics are incorrect about its purported flaws.
Well y'know there's an actual religion that does say that cows are sacred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_in_religion#In_Hinduism) and it's not exactly fringe, globally, so.
I mean it's not as if Hindus don't sincerely like cows and extol their virtues because the genuinely feel that they're fundamentally good animals and deserving of respect.
Lumenskir
02-06-2009, 01:03 AM
have kind of a problem with the usage of "sacred cows" in this context as to my mind that connotes false idolatry.
I think we might be mixing up golden calf (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/golden_calf) with sacred cow (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sacred_cow)? I'm not completely sure though, I'm kind of just stealing the term from the A.V. Club.
I have a hard time defending things with more than its just so fucking awesome you suck when it comes to things like this so generally I just let people say what they want, no matter how much I like it.
This isn't always true though.
So, you posted in this thread to tell us that sometimes you have sacred cows, but not what they are?
Also, I'm currently hating myself for forgetting to put The Wire up in the first post, because lately I've been seeing a lot of hipster-hating-hipster backlash against it and I want to just choke anyone who blatantly dismisses it as instantly overrated when it is undoubtedly the best television series ever.
Masked Jedi
02-06-2009, 01:06 AM
Ahem.
The Princess Bride is the greatest movie of all time. If you disagree, I will smack you. If you refuse to see it based on the title, I will kill you.
Edit: Also, the Evil Dead trilogy, Joss Whedon, Kevin Smith, pre-Combat Rock Clash, the Beatles, the X-Files up to season 6, Back to the Future, Southland Tales, old Scooby-Doo, turn of the century Cartoon Network, Order of the Stick, Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodruiguez, Freaks and Geeks, John Hughes, Watchmen, Bone, Bloom Country, katanas, Phillip K. Dick, Dragonball, LotR, and Pixar. Yeah, I'm obsessive.
Cloud Strife
02-06-2009, 01:10 AM
Ahem.
The Princess Bride is the greatest movie of all time. If you disagree, I will smack you. If you refuse to see it based on the title, I will kill you. I was originally going to post saying that I couldn't think of any Sacred Cows (yes, even FFVII isn't one to me), but....
Princess Bride. Fuck yeah.
Masked Jedi
02-06-2009, 01:12 AM
Also, Bronze Age Marvel. Everything they produced (except Spider-Woman) was excellent. Especially X-Men.
POS Industries
02-06-2009, 01:23 AM
Back to the Future
Oh, seconded. And I mean the whole trilogy, too. Shit was consistently awesome.
The SSB Intern
02-06-2009, 01:32 AM
StarFox 64 is the best N64 game. The End.
Masked Jedi
02-06-2009, 01:32 AM
Last one, I promise: Rocky Horror. All is good.
Fifthfiend
02-06-2009, 01:52 AM
Well y'know there's an actual religion that does say that cows are sacred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_in_religion#In_Hinduism) and it's not exactly fringe, globally, so.
I mean it's not as if Hindus don't sincerely like cows and extol their virtues because the genuinely feel that they're fundamentally good animals and deserving of respect.
You know I looked it up and you're right! My reading of the phrase was wrong and yours is indeed the correct one. Objections withdrawn!
So yes Calvin and Hobbes as I totally hold it beyond any criticism I can imagine being leveled against it. Past that actually not a lot of things I can think of because even most things I really, really like have some flaw or other in them which I will acknowledge. Mostly because I am just hyperfuckingcritical of everything but well, there you are. Or even when I personally enjoy a thing and someone else doesn't, I'll usually see the reasoning for why they might not.
But yeah Calvin and Hobbes it's just flat out like Progressive Boink said; "Calvin and Hobbes outclasses the rest of the comic strip world more than anything else has ever outclassed the rest of its medium." Period, full stop, end of discussion (except to discuss how much better Calvin and Hobbes is than any other comic ever.)
Oh! Doctor McNinja. I would have a real problem understanding someone not being able to like that.
Masked Jedi
02-06-2009, 01:54 AM
I don't think I could honestly say anything better about it than Fifth just did, but C&N really shoulda been on that list.
magmarashi
02-06-2009, 02:23 AM
Excluding C&H which was a wonderful cake made of pure, unfiltered Awesome, the only other thing I hold as a sacred cow isn't a series or a story.
Optimus Prime is everything that is Good and Right. Naysayers and Heretics are dead to me.
Krylo
02-06-2009, 02:38 AM
In that same vein, I don't think I could ever form a truly deep friendship with someone who didn't like K.C. Accidental (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2aCHMf_Ybw) the first time they heard it. You... don't have many close friends, do you?
[...] not a lot of things I can think of because even most things I really, really like have some flaw or other in them which I will acknowledge. Mostly because I am just hyperfuckingcritical of everything but well, there you are. Or even when I personally enjoy a thing and someone else doesn't, I'll usually see the reasoning for why they might not.
This.
This is my answer.
Fifthfiend
02-06-2009, 02:44 AM
This.
This is my answer.
Yeah. I'm mostly thinking of like, Terry Pratchett novels which I've read like all of ever multiple times over yet if you press me you can almost certainly get me to bitch for like twenty minutes about any given one of them. Especially if they have Granny Weatherbitch in them I mean, Granny Bitchwax that is, Granny WhatafuckingbitchIhateher.
...I was going to say something critical about Back to the Future and the Princess Bride though to be honest as I'm sitting here I can't think of a single thing honestly wrong with them. The closest I can get to a criticism just ends up saying they fell short of marks it was never their mission to hit in the first place. Like you could call Princess Bride not-deep, but its entire purpose is to not be deep, in its role as the ultimate apex of dashing, thrilling, derring-do adventuring.
...Bits of the book kind of sucked, but the movie ironed all of those out quite neatly.
Buddha Fett
02-06-2009, 02:58 AM
The closest thing I can come to holding sacred is probably Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman.
I mean, the only meaningful criticism I can come up with is the fact that they haven't teamed up to write another one.
I don't know. I think I'd have to say Metal Gear Solid. I mean, I didn't save my favorite parts of the game (I like to go back and replay certain parts, so sue me) and I wanted to watch the end fight with Liquid - so I Youtubed it.
It should be known that my computer is for whatever reason, slow. So while it loaded, I browsed some comments - most of them just turned me off to explaining the concept of the game. They were along the lines of "typical old dudes fighting over theyre medication" to "this is way after big boss went all evil."
It was just a slew of people who not only didn't take away the message that the games were trying to say, they didn't even get their explanations right.
I have a few. Mostly Mother 3, Gurren Lagann, and Toradora!
Even then I can understand why people might not like them. People might not like Mother 3 because they don't like love being central to the plot. People might not like Gurren Lagann because they don't like over-the-top mecha shows. People might not like Toradora! because they don't like romantic comedy. If someone doesn't like these things, that's fine.
However, tell me that they just aren't good, and I end up unleashing all sorts of argumentative bickering because your opinion is wrong.
Regulus Tera
02-06-2009, 03:17 AM
Reading NonCon's posts is like looking at myself in the mirror.
Seriously, it's frightening creepy.
Archbio
02-06-2009, 03:41 AM
While I'm also of the hypercritical sort, it's no fun for this sort of thing, so I'll just say that the only negative comment I'm equipped to understand about the television series Deadwood is that it was cancelled.
No, I suppose that I might be able to conceive that a given five minute stretch, say a given monologue, of an episode might not be 100% awesome, but that's it.
On the other hand, the only time I had the occasion to defend the show was from fans of it.
Mirai Gen
02-06-2009, 03:55 AM
RT is correct so far (though to get real specific we mean 1 and 3, because I have complaints about 4 and I can't even speak the other's name).
But I would like to add The Last Unicorn and Flight of Dragons to my movies that are sacred cows (First is a decent book too).
Just, seriously. Tell me what's wrong with them. So I can tell you how wrong you are. And I swear the first person to knee-jerk "haw haw haw UNICORNS ARE GIRLY" gets kneed in the junk.
POS Industries
02-06-2009, 04:28 AM
And I swear the first person to knee-jerk "haw haw haw UNICORNS ARE GIRLY" gets kneed in the junk.
What's next? Hair-pulling?
Mirai Gen
02-06-2009, 05:33 AM
Lots of scratching and slapping, yes.
Professor Smarmiarty
02-06-2009, 06:32 AM
I totally want to start criticising basically everything mentioned in this thread (though I would have a hard time finding bad things to say about Calvin and Hobbes I must admit).
I think that makes me a bad person.
Only one thing really qualifies for me which is Les Miserables by Hugo. I've broken up with people solely because they didn't like the book. I just couldn't understand them anymore.
greed
02-06-2009, 07:35 AM
Super Metroid and Majora's Mask. Metroid Prime and Pikmin 2 to a degree as well.
CelesJessa
02-06-2009, 07:42 AM
I don't know. I think I'd have to say Metal Gear Solid.... ...So while it loaded, I browsed some comments - most of them just turned me off to explaining the concept of the game. They were along the lines of "typical old dudes fighting over theyre medication" to "this is way after big boss went all evil."
It was just a slew of people who not only didn't take away the message that the games were trying to say, they didn't even get their explanations right.
Well, having been watching my roommate play Metal Gear Solid for the first time it reminds me that it's plot makes not a lot of sense, so I can't really blame them for not "getting" it. I always liked the MGS games for their gameplay but notsomuch for it's storyline, but that might be because I don't have much of a taste for the overly dramatic, and by the time your eighteenth boss is telling you their long boring life story, I'm just like "shut up, let's fight"
Anyway, I was about to say that I don't really have anything that I wouldn't tolerate anyone naysaying it, as I'm pretty open to other people's opinions, but then I remembered one thing.
And no it's not Fullmetal Alchemist. Sheesh.
It would have to be The Beatles. I can understand people not being ga-ga over their music, but then there's people who are like "eh, I don't get why they're such a big deal" and it pains me inside.
Lumenskir
02-06-2009, 09:52 AM
You... don't have many close friends, do you?
Not on this forum, no :(
I totally want to start criticising basically everything mentioned in this thread...
I think that makes me a bad person.
I was thinking of combining Sacred Cows (things you will defend to the point of violence) with Guilty Displeasures (things other people defend to the point of violence that you kind of dislike), but I figured it would devolve into petty unwinnable arguments.
Fifthfiend
02-06-2009, 10:48 AM
I was thinking of combining Sacred Cows (things you will defend to the point of violence) with Guilty Displeasures (things other people defend to the point of violence that you kind of dislike), but I figured it would devolve into petty unwinnable arguments.
Probably. I've even been biting my own impulse to bitch everything to death in the interest of not seeing the thread get totally derailed. And I mean, this is me we're talking about. Could be fun as a separate thread though?
phil_
02-06-2009, 10:49 AM
I'd like to think that Eureka Seven is a sacred cow to me, but I always remember when Adult Swim busted up the ending and Joshelplex posted that the show deserved it and he couldn't wait for Ghost in the Shell: Second Gig repeats. I didn't say anything. I mean, I was I a frothy rage for a while, so it's probably a good thing I didn't, but, yeah, that proves that I don't care about the show enough to get banned for it, so it can't be a sacred cow.
I will third (fourth? I dunno) Calvin and Hobbes. The only way I can see someone not liking it is if they were born after it left papers and never read it.
Seriously, though, fuck Joshelplex.
Fifthfiend
02-06-2009, 10:51 AM
The only way I can see someone not liking it is if they were born after it left papers and never read it.
There are collections! That's no excuse at all!
Inbred Chocobo
02-06-2009, 11:19 AM
Okay, you know that game series Monster Hunter? You know the one that has no story and people that review it say the combat system sucks? Yeah if I could get my hands on their grubby little necks.
Monster Hunter doesn't have a story. That is because Capcom realized they couldn't write a good story so instead of trying to write a bad story they just said fuck story and let you go play the bloody game. Thank god.
No, there isn't a lock on system, you are suppose to not have it auto-guided because hitting different spots deals different damage, you have to aim with your sword or gun or bow and hit the weak spot for massive damage.
Okay, I may be willing to admit that there is a chance of camera causing problems, however its made by humans hands and I have long ago accepted the fact that man may never make the perfect game. They can only hope to accomplish making something nigh perfect, that in the end there will be one or two games that they can hold up in the light, and despite their falls their glorious light will cause millions to fall to their knees and weep.
And yes the Monster Hunter series is that.
Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope
02-06-2009, 11:20 AM
You guys no what mine are, especially you NonCon so I don't need to reiterate by saying how I hold Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 as the epitome of RPG greatness.
greed
02-06-2009, 11:36 AM
There are collections! That's no excuse at all!
Um phil said that Fifth. Why'd you quote me?
phil_
02-06-2009, 12:31 PM
Also, I'm not saying it's an excuse. Here's what I'm saying.
We have people in two states: those who have read Calvin and Hobbes and those who haven't. Those falling into the first category understand that it is a fantastic comic. Those in the latter may not.
This is the internet, and it makes people do strange things. For example, people will base their opinion on something they've never read/seen/done/eaten/heard/etc solely on the word of other people on the internet. Some of those people influencing other people may have also never read/seen/done/eaten/heard/etc whatever they're discussing; they were just influenced by further other people first. Also, people on the internet may say they like or dislike something solely to stir up trouble, also know as "trolling." We are all familiar with this concept.
So, what we come to are people who have read Calvin and Hobbes, who (by virtue of having read it) understand what a great comic it is, that call it crap solely to stir up trouble. Then we have the people born around 1995 who haven't read the comic for some reason that pick up these "opinions" and repeat them, because the internet makes people do that. The latter group is the one I was referring to earlier. Trolls were left unaddressed because I assume that everyone here understands that there are trolls for everything.
So, am I understood? I'm not saying being twelve is an excuse, I'm saying that people on the internet, by-and-large, are a bunch of idiots. Idiots like Joshelplex. That jerk.
Savage Thinking
02-06-2009, 12:46 PM
There are collections! That's no excuse at all!
Oh man, this reminded me back when I was a little boy and I was with my parents at a book store. I innocently come across a C&H book, so I looked through and decided that I wanted nothing more in the world than this here book. At which point I went to my parents and asked for them to buy it for me only to have them give me and ugly look followed by a "I'm not gonna buy you this filth!"
You know what it's like to leave a bookstore with all hope torn away from you like a fallen soldier ready to meet his end? Because I do...
Anywho, my sacred cow is probably Street Fighter; more specifically Alpha 3. It's my favorite in the series and I disregard anything negative about it as heresy.
phil_
02-06-2009, 01:01 PM
Oh man, this reminded me back when I was a little boy and I was with my parents at a book store. I innocently come across a C&H book, so I looked through and decided that I wanted nothing more in the world than this here book. At which point I went to my parents and asked for them to buy it for me only to have them give me and ugly look followed by a "I'm not gonna buy you this filth!"I'm not sure what to think about this beyond that it shows I forgot "people who irrationally hate the comics as a medium" in my calculations. I mean, Savage's parents being... like that... it just came out of no where. You have my condolences, man.
I feel a little woozy.
DarkDrgon
02-06-2009, 01:13 PM
breath of fire 1-3. Anyone who insults those games is officially an enemy for life.
....I forgot, I dont have any of those here yet.
Mirai Gen
02-06-2009, 03:01 PM
"I'm not gonna buy you this filth!"
If you didn't hide that issue of Tarot inside the C+H you might have actually gotten it.
POS Industries
02-06-2009, 05:20 PM
Oh man, this reminded me back when I was a little boy and I was with my parents at a book store. I innocently come across a C&H book, so I looked through and decided that I wanted nothing more in the world than this here book. At which point I went to my parents and asked for them to buy it for me only to have them give me and ugly look followed by a "I'm not gonna buy you this filth!"
You know what it's like to leave a bookstore with all hope torn away from you like a fallen soldier ready to meet his end? Because I do...
Wait, I can't remember, is your family from West Asheville? Because that's the only explanation I could come up with. Some scary folks out there.
Ex. 68471
02-06-2009, 08:50 PM
I remember with great revulsion the day my friend revealed to me he disliked Monty Python in all forms.
I also remember with great fondness five seconds later when I kicked him in the groin.
Ah, memories.
PS: He has since seen the error of his ways and has actually watched some of it instead of speaking out of ignorance.
Savage Thinking
02-06-2009, 09:14 PM
Wait, I can't remember, is your family from West Asheville? Because that's the only explanation I could come up with. Some scary folks out there.
Yes and yes. They've got way less strict as I got older but I never did get that book...
I always remember when Adult Swim busted up the ending
Man, it was awhile since an anime on AS got me hooked like Eureka's Castle Seven and that really did piss me off.
Kerensky287
02-06-2009, 09:41 PM
I gotta say, every time someone mentions not liking Gurren Lagann I am speechless for a bit... but I'm usually not overzealous in defending it.
In fact, while there are a bunch of things that I really, really like, I will generally concede points against them. Like... I really like FF8, but I acknowledge that the character development was terrible and the story failed to make sense at a lot of points. But there's so much potential there that I can't help but hope that they remake it (with improvements), or make a spin-off, or I dunno what.
Oh, but anyone who actively dislikes Smash Bros loses a great deal of respect from me instantly.
I agree with Gurren Lagann quite a bit. There are many times where people take one look at it and see something that looks remotely wrong in there eyes (EX: Yoko in her bikini top. Girls mainly here.), and get instantly turned off and shove it off as generic shounen material. I immediately get the urge to backhand them. I then must diligently force them to watch an episode, and 95% so far have liked it from not liking it.
Also, I C&H is great. I own my own personal collection of the comics. Actually, I'm currently trying to get digital copies of most of them. That and two books; "Where the Red Fern Grows," and "The Hobbit." You insult those books, and there will be hell to pay.
In the games spectrum, I hold Starfox 64, SMB 3, Donkey Kong Country, Any of the good Sonic games, and Castelvania: SOTN, to name a few of my cherished games. I cherish the games, and I do not tolerate blind criticism towards them.
Mirai Gen
02-07-2009, 03:50 AM
Oh, oh.
The City Slickers movies.
I mean, I like them.
Fifthfiend
02-07-2009, 03:54 AM
I agree with Gurren Lagann quite a bit. There are many times where people take one look at it and see something that looks remotely wrong in there eyes (EX: Yoko in her bikini top. Girls mainly here.), and get instantly turned off and shove it off as generic shounen material. I immediately get the urge to backhand them. I then must diligently force them to watch an episode, and 95% so far have liked it from not liking it.
Also, I C&H is great. I own my own personal collection of the comics. Actually, I'm currently trying to get digital copies of most of them. That and two books; "Where the Red Fern Grows," and "The Hobbit." You insult those books, and there will be hell to pay.
In the games spectrum, I hold Starfox 64, SMB 3, Donkey Kong Country, Any of the good Sonic games, and Castelvania: SOTN, to name a few of my cherished games. I cherish the games, and I do not tolerate blind criticism towards them.
I think girls are basically allowed to dislike Gurren Lagann. The show's entire message to them is "you are the marginally effective pair of titties / utterly useless love interest space zombie." It's shonen damn teenage boy anime, girls not liking it is built in at basement level.
Oh man, this reminded me back when I was a little boy and I was with my parents at a book store. I innocently come across a C&H book, so I looked through and decided that I wanted nothing more in the world than this here book. At which point I went to my parents and asked for them to buy it for me only to have them give me and ugly look followed by a "I'm not gonna buy you this filth!"
I kind of have no response to that. I mean, wha?
BitVyper
02-07-2009, 04:09 AM
The show's entire message to them is "you are the marginally effective pair of titties / utterly useless love interest space zombie."
Even though Yoko is pretty much the most consistently effective and dangerous mecha anime heroine ever.
Fifthfiend
02-07-2009, 04:27 AM
the most consistently effective and dangerous mecha anime heroine
Yeah, that's a real contest.
01d55
02-07-2009, 04:44 AM
Probably. I've even been biting my own impulse to bitch everything to death in the interest of not seeing the thread get totally derailed. And I mean, this is me we're talking about. Could be fun as a separate thread though?
Possibly!
Fifthfiend
02-07-2009, 05:13 AM
Bit back as long as I could! Anyway, why am I going to make a 'bitch about things I hate' thread for TTGL which I love more than like, 99.9% of things that I love?
Regulus Tera
02-07-2009, 05:15 AM
Yeah, that's a real contest.
Noriko and Nono from Gunbuster and Diebuster put up a pretty good match.
POS Industries
02-07-2009, 05:26 AM
I kind of have no response to that. I mean, wha?
I used to live on his end of town when I was but a little POS. I think one year they tried to run a Big Mouth Billy Bass for mayor but it was rejected by the other three more civilized quarters of the city.
Lady Cygnet
02-07-2009, 06:09 AM
Oh man, this reminded me back when I was a little boy and I was with my parents at a book store. I innocently come across a C&H book, so I looked through and decided that I wanted nothing more in the world than this here book. At which point I went to my parents and asked for them to buy it for me only to have them give me and ugly look followed by a "I'm not gonna buy you this filth!"
I can understand that reaction when it comes to manga...but Calvin and Hobbes?! When I was growing, my father didn't want us listening to secular music, and even HE liked Calvin and Hobbes. I fully take back my thought that I was raised in a strict household. I think you win.
As for my sacred cows, Monty Python Fluxx tops the list. Fluxx is a fun game in and of itself, and adding Monty Python to it just makes it that much more fun.
My other big sacred cow is reading. I don't understand why so many people are cool with being functionally illiterate and knocking anyone who reads for pleasure.
ETA: My biggest sacred cow is Missouri. As you love your life, don't knock MO.
BitVyper
02-07-2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah, that's a real contest.
Still, it's nice that she didn't immediately become useless any time Simon or Kamina were fighting, and she never got murdered/injured/raped to drive the hero over the edge/to new heights (granted that DID happen to what's-her-face, but it was still played better than the trope usually is). She pretty much stayed in the foreground the entire series, and her existence was never really dependent on the male leads.
Possum Knight
02-08-2009, 02:12 AM
I get a bit defensive about FF8 at times. I mean, sure the story was kinda blotched together and wasn't fully comprehensible, but most final fantasy games aren't supposed to anymore. Plus, it had gunblades...GUNBLADES. I rest my case.
I also second Dr. Mcninja. i don't know too many people personally who know about it, but if someone was bad mouthing it I would probably have to hold back some Brooklyn rage.
I LOVE the Blues Brothers movie. The sequel sucked, but the original was awesome. I mean it made an entire movie off being a semi-musical, and was funny without being overly gross or over the top...ok maybe just a tad bit over the top. Anyone else a fan of it?
Nikose Tyris
02-08-2009, 07:47 AM
Hm. Something I get all bitchy about. There's not a whole lot except
STAR WARS.
Fuck your fanfic. Don't screw with my canon and don't edit the wiki with your AnakinxObiwan bullshit Slashfics. Stay away from my Boba Fett, he survived the Sarlacc and went on to train Jaina to be the Sword of the Jedi and you just have to deal with the fact that Boba and Leia did not have freaky sex. Stop making up weird shit that I have to edit out of the wiki, stop spreading it around the internet, go curl up with the books and read them instead of pumping out the worst possible material to ever come across my eyes since power rangers retcon'd themselves.
POS Industries
02-08-2009, 07:50 AM
Don't screw with my canon
Stay away from my Boba Fett, he survived the Sarlacc and went on to train Jaina to be the Sword of the Jedi
Does not compute.
Nikose Tyris
02-08-2009, 08:13 AM
Does not compute.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tales_from_Jabba%27s_Palace
Tells the story of how he gets out.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revelation
Tells the story of the Sword of the Jedi. Really good read.
POS Industries
02-08-2009, 05:15 PM
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tales_from_Jabba%27s_Palace
Tells the story of how he gets out.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revelation
Tells the story of the Sword of the Jedi. Really good read.
Yeah, naw, I gotta say that's all the stuff past where I draw my own "don't screw with my canon" line.
Archbio
02-08-2009, 06:11 PM
Boba Fett's ironic fate is one of the highlights of those movies!
Nikose Tyris
02-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Yeah, naw, I gotta say that's all the stuff past where I draw my own "don't screw with my canon" line.
skipping those books makes you miss him saying, "Maybe I'd have grown up a nice guy if a Jedi hadn't cut my dad's head off in front of me." D:
Mirai Gen
02-09-2009, 02:03 AM
Oh oh oh.
Almost forgot. Mega Man X. Even DMC3 is below that.
EVILNess
02-09-2009, 05:06 AM
I am probably gonna have to go with Ghostbusters.
Man I love that IP, and I cannot wait for the game.
Fifthfiend
02-09-2009, 05:23 AM
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tales_from_Jabba%27s_Palace
Tells the story of how he gets out.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revelation
Tells the story of the Sword of the Jedi. Really good read.
And Peter Parker never married Mary Jane (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RunningTheAsylum), either.
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