Too Much Bleach: Get it out of your system here

[Bells]

I know there is probably a need for a break on Bleack threads, but still, they were on topic and the subject in discussion is still rolling, so i hope it's ok to do one more...

Things were a bit messy so far, so let me see if i grasped the common notion here:

Zaraki: Wait in the corner, you're too awesome
Hitsugaya: GTFO
Soi Fon: You're only good when your master is kicking your ass.

Everyone else: Varing degrees of Suck and Win, the jury is still out on that one.

Although i must say... i've come this far and not ONE note of hate for Byakuya. I'm actually surprised

[Locke cole]

How about a B flat?

[Aerozord]

because Byakuya is a douche, but he is a douche you rarely see. Out of sight out of mind and all that. Also, whats there to say? No one likes him, no point arguing it

[Fifthfiend]

because Byakuya is a douche, but he is a douche you rarely see. Out of sight out of mind and all that. Also, whats there to say? No one likes him, no point arguing it

He's just so up-front about being a douche. Like a character will say to him "Dude you're a douche!" and he'll reply "Excuse me? No. I am a motherfucking enormous douche. I am the douche. I am a douche in the proud, thousands of years old douchey tradition of my douchebag forefathers, and the code of douche society that we are doucheily sworn to uphold."

[Mesden]

It's respectable, in a twisted, totally not respectable sort of way.

[Fifthfiend]

It's respectable, in a twisted, totally not respectable douchey sort of way.

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[Premmy]

you know, I see you guys. Going on about this, and all I hear is "DAMN! Clarence, are'nt you glad you don't give a fuck about bleach?" "Why yes sir I am VERY happy"

[Mesden]

I'm glad you added to the conversation.

Please tell me something you like that you've made a thread about so I can go into it and say I don't give a fuck about it and don't even register what you're saying.

But no really, what was that?

[Marc v4.0]

I think the subject is just really starting to burn out.

It's like "Damn, ANOTHER Bleach thread?"

[Fifthfiend]

Usually right around the time I call a thing an unstoppable juggernaut is where it dies.

It's like how when Time Magazine runs a feature on the hot new trend that's setting the 13-27 Youth Demographic On Fire you know that shit is deader than calling things deader than disco.

[Marc v4.0]

Lets maybe go ahead and skip to that part so we can move on to another consuming obsession

[Aerozord]

really though we should more away from love/hate discussions.

You know what I want to know, where the hell the vaizards are. We saw them heading out to battle like 100 chapters ago, everyone is IN said battle, and still nothing

Usually right around the time I call a thing an unstoppable juggernaut is where it dies.


then doesn't that mean its not unstoppable nor a juggernaut?

[Premmy]

I'm glad you added to the conversation.

Please tell me something you like that you've made a thread about so I can go into it and say I don't give a fuck about it and don't even register what you're saying.

But no really, what was that?

Okay, If you say so (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?p=914454#post914454)
I've actually poked my head into the LAST two-three bleach threads, the continuance of it is just getting ridiculous, as previously stated.

[synkr0nized]

"Ridiculous"

Also, that's a horrible thread. You should be ashamed.

[Aerozord]

Okay, If you say so (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?p=914454#post914454)
I've actually poked my head into the LAST two-three bleach threads, the continuance of it is just getting rediculous, as previously stated.

your last three things are, nudity, women, animals

..yes you should be ashamed

[Premmy]

I SHOULD, but then when has THAT ever affected my actions? My, but that typo is shameful though, apologies.

[Mesden]

Okay, If you say so (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?p=914454#post914454)
I've actually poked my head into the LAST two-three bleach threads, the continuance of it is just getting ridiculous, as previously stated.

Is it really that hard to say "Sorry for being a jerk," ?

[Premmy]

painfully, astronomically, unfathomably hard

[01d55]

He's just so up-front about being a douche. Like a character will say to him "Dude you're a douche!" and he'll reply "Excuse me? No. I am a motherfucking enormous douche. I am the douche. I am a douche in the proud, thousands of years old douchey tradition of my douchebag forefathers, and the code of douche society that we are doucheily sworn to uphold."

Whenever I see someone talking about how a captain (it's usually Gin) is a douche I'm all like "dude, Kurotsuchi Mayuri is right there."

Speaking of which, when the captains had to be split up between Hueco Mundo and fake Karukara town, Kurotsuchi and Soifon got separated despite the fact that the synergy between their Shikai powers could make them unstoppable. My point being that Captain Genocide is the worst strategist ever.

[Aerozord]

Because Mayuri isn't really a douche, he's a sadist

[01d55]

Because Mayuri isn't really a douche, he's a sadist

Not a douche? "Hey here's this photograph which I just so happen, by coincidence, to be carrying with me of this Quincy I dissected (but the face is still there), let me show you it. Also I'm gonna complain about how he kept whining about his grandson or student, what could his name have been? I cannot remember at all." Bullshit. Dude knew exactly who Uryuu was and got that picture out of his files and pretended to be forgetful just to be a douche.

[Premmy]

there's a fine line between horrible evil monster and douchebag. oh wait, no, there's a MASSIVE canyon between the two. Mayuri would be the one with the inverse Black/white face who's just completely horrible, yes? No, I'm going with Byakuya being a douche, Mayuri being the devil.

[Aerozord]

and I'm saying thats more of a dick move

[Locke cole]

Because Mayuri isn't really a douche, he's a sadist
And a total wackjob, but...

That's also why he wouldn't want to be on a team with Soi Fon. She'd make them die too quickly; he wants time to experiment. Sure they'd be awesome together, but could Captain Genocide get Captain Freakshow to behave?

Also; three theads isn't that bad, considering the thread limit is seven friggin' pages. That's peanuts compared to some other forums I'm on.

Also: why is it that Aizen didn't take Mayuri with him (or that Mayuri didn't go with Aizen. Not entirely sure of how it worked). You'd think the guy would be delighted to have a whole new species of hollow to experiment on.

[Aerozord]

because his idea of experiment is dissection, something I'd want to discourage. Plus Mayuri has no concept of loyalty, Aizen dislikes that, its why Renji was quickly transfered to 11th division when Aizen noticed he wasn't very controlable

[Kim]

The best thing about this thread is how it only shows up as "Too Much Bleach: Get It Out..." on the front page, giving me the impression that you're all talking about methods for doing your laundry using your various laundry powers.

[01d55]

Look, "He's a douche" and "he's an evil monster" are not mutually exclusive statements. Gin is evil and we all know he's also a bit of a dick. They are also not equivalent - Yama-ji and Aizen get up to some pretty evil shit (genocide and whatever the hell Aizen is up to, respectively) but they aren't douchebags about it.

Mayuri is the douchiest douchebag who ever douched a bag because he uses the evil shit he does as a springboard, from which he leaps to unparalleled heights of douchiness. At every turn, he never misses an opportunity to be a huge fucking douche about whatever it is he just did, which is usually a pretty good opportunity because of how evil he is. And even when he isn't being evil, he's still a douche about it (cf. the battle of SCIENCE! up until the monstrously cruel finishing move.)

Also! Blind guy used to serve under a captain who had 69 tattooed on his upper stomach. Then when he became a captain, he got a vice captain with 69 tattooed on his cheek (in the same font). Given how they made a big deal about revealing the captain's tattoo in the past arc I'm assuming they're gonna make something of that in the future.

[Aerozord]

does anyone have the definition of the slang term douche? because I am fairly certain we aren't in agreement about it

[MasterOfMagic]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douche
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douchebag

What I'm really curious about is why Kisuke let Mayuri out of prison. I guess he makes a neato research assistant, but there's gotta be more to it than that.

[Bells]

You know what I want to know, where the hell the vaizards are. We saw them heading out to battle like 100 chapters ago, everyone is IN said battle, and still nothing

They are probably hanging back with Urahara, Ichigo's Dad and Ishida's Dad on the "Second hand awesome team"

Also, this Battle is Kubo's Namek. So don't take stuff like "time" too seriously.

I'm telling you... people are going to start dying soon, i mean, didn't Matsumoto got blown nearly in half? There is no Unohana nor Orihime around... how is that going to work out?

The best thing about this thread is how it only shows up as "Too Much Bleach: Get It Out..." on the front page, giving me the impression that you're all talking about methods for doing your laundry using your various laundry powers.

Someone noticed =3

[Kim]

Someone noticed =3

Now I'm curious as to what kind of Bankai(?) would have to do with laundry, and whether they would be extremely badass or totally lame. Or both until observed.

[synkr0nized]

Kicks your opponents' asses AND gets those pesky grass stains out! New extra-bleach Tide Bankai: the ultimate in laundry detergents. Release your cleaning power.

[01d55]

What I'm really curious about is why Kisuke let Mayuri out of prison. I guess he makes a neato research assistant, but there's gotta be more to it than that.

It's because he is a ruthless bastard. I mean he hides it pretty good between the jokes and smiles and helping-the-good-guys but when you get right down to it he's a guy who will doom an old friend's son to a horrible fate, kick him down a huge fucking hole, have his assistant tie the kid's arms behind his back, and then give him three days to crawl his way out while also stopping the agonizing transformation into a horrible soul-eating monster. And all that after loosing one of his artificial soul/killing machines on the kid as a goddamn warmup exercise*. While cracking jokes at his victim's expense. He let Mayuri out because he recognized his potential - his potential to be the greatest douche in history.

*If you think about it, that girl is basically the prototype for Nemu, which means the creepiest fucking thing about the Kurotsuchis was Kisuke's idea.

[Kim]

Kicks your opponents' asses AND gets those pesky grass stains out! New extra-bleach Tide Bankai: the ultimate in laundry detergents. Release your cleaning power.

Billy Mays is the strongest captain.

[Sithdarth]

It's because he is a ruthless bastard. I mean he hides it pretty good between the jokes and smiles and helping-the-good-guys but when you get right down to it he's a guy who will doom an old friend's son to a horrible fate, kick him down a huge fucking hole, have his assistant tie the kid's arms behind his back, and then give him three days to crawl his way out while also stopping the agonizing transformation into a horrible soul-eating monster. And all that after loosing one of his artificial soul/killing machines on the kid as a goddamn warmup exercise*. While cracking jokes at his victim's expense. He let Mayuri out because he recognized his potential - his potential to be the greatest douche in history.

*If you think about it, that girl is basically the prototype for Nemu, which means the creepiest fucking thing about the Kurotsuchis was Kisuke's idea.


I really hope that was sarcasm because I'd hate to think someone could so completely miss the point of the pendulum arc. Kisuke has to be one of the most tragic and empathic characters in all of Bleach. A bit reckless and misguided at times sure. A little rough around the edges but that tends to happen when you witness what he did while your still a hopelessly optimistic youth. Kisuke is pretty much the deepest and most complex character in the entire series. That is deep and complex in the good way not in the "My sword can make you think you are dead so I automatically win" broken ass sense, or the "I'm a completely irredeemable bastard but you still love me" way.

[Aerozord]

Its entirely possible part of his reason for letting out is because he felt he could be redeemed. I did enjoy the arc. Who knew Kisuke literally had balls of steal

[01d55]

I'm telling you... people are going to start dying soon, i mean, didn't Matsumoto got blown nearly in half? There is no Unohana nor Orihime around... how is that going to work out?

Hey wow I sure am glad I learned how that fight turned out before I even knew who she was fighting, thanks! Latest anime is just Old dude scaring everyone with his huge fire cage, Orihime trying to explain The Power of Friendship to Ulquiorra, and beating up the Arrancar Mook Squad. So those of us who are watching but not reading give you our undying gratitude for this very important update.

[Sithdarth]

It was actually made quite clear exactly why Kisuke was letting him out in that arc. It was a combination of the fact Kisuke very much disliked the practice of imprisoning people that were potentially embarrassing and only mildly dangerous as well as he thought Mayuri would totally excel in the right environment. Thereby he killed two birds with one stone in proving that the imprisonment thing was wrong while also increasing the productivity of the technological bureau in order to help soul society as a whole. I didn't spoiler any of that because this is obviously a thread about Bleach and that part at least as been covered in the anime at this point.

[Bells]

Hey wow I sure am glad I learned how that fight turned out before I even knew who she was fighting, thanks! Latest anime is just Old dude scaring everyone with his huge fire cage, Orihime trying to explain The Power of Friendship to Ulquiorra, and beating up the Arrancar Mook Squad. So those of us who are watching but not reading give you our undying gratitude for this very important update.

Gaw... sorry!! My bad... this thread, originally, originated from another thread where i stated that this was all related to the latest Manga/Anime in Japan. I kinda went with that flow... sorry!

But, in all honesty, there is a LOT more interesting stuff happening around the point of what i said. Be sure, this was a really minor spoiler regarding those momments.

[Marelo]

I must have missed the part where Captain Commander What's His Face was genocidal. Anyone care to briefly sum that up for me?

[Aerozord]

He is the undisputed top dog of the captains. Comparing him to another captain is like comparing a normal captain to a third seat.

The old man in one shot pwn this thing that was mopping the floor with four vice-captains. Got a massive hole in its chest. What was really impressive? He did it with the blunt end of his staff

[01d55]

I must have missed the part where Captain Commander What's His Face was genocidal. Anyone care to briefly sum that up for me?

As the undisputed #1 top dog Shinigami (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AuthorityEqualsAsskicking) since before anyone else alive was born, he's ultimately responsible for executing room 46's order to exterminate the Quincy, Bounto, those guys from that first Bleach movie, and whatever other clans or freaks of nature that've been made up for filler arcs and movies.

[Locke cole]

Hence, Captain Genocide. Screw with him, and he'll kill you, your family, and your entire race, just to be sure. And then Mayuri will get your souls.

[Fifthfiend]

Whenever I see someone talking about how a captain (it's usually Gin) is a douche I'm all like "dude, Kurotsuchi Mayuri is right there."

Speaking of which, when the captains had to be split up between Hueco Mundo and fake Karukara town, Kurotsuchi and Soifon got separated despite the fact that the synergy between their Shikai powers could make them unstoppable. My point being that Captain Genocide is the worst strategist ever.

Because Mayuri isn't really a douche, he's a sadist

Not a douche? "Hey here's this photograph which I just so happen, by coincidence, to be carrying with me of this Quincy I dissected (but the face is still there), let me show you it. Also I'm gonna complain about how he kept whining about his grandson or student, what could his name have been? I cannot remember at all." Bullshit. Dude knew exactly who Uryuu was and got that picture out of his files and pretended to be forgetful just to be a douche.

I think the difference here is that Mayuri will kill you in some incredibly fucked up way because he is a total sociopath, and then in the process of that, probably be a pretty huge douche about it. Whereas Gin will kill you in some totally sociopathic way or whatever, just because he thinks that would be an incredibly douchey thing to do, and he doesn't love doing any kind of thing more, than the incredibly douchey kinds of things.

Like, Mayuri is Pol Pot, or Himmler, or some sort of total maniac like that. Wheras Gin is the football player who would come up to you at the cafeteeria and shove your face into your tater-tots and salisbury steak, then laugh about it with all of his douchebag friends. Except instead of tater-tots, disembowelment.

Gaw... sorry!! My bad... this thread, originally, originated from another thread where i stated that this was all related to the latest Manga/Anime in Japan. I kinda went with that flow... sorry!

It is kind of fuckin' stupid that we've been doing these in TVMA but in sync with whatever's just been in the manga.

[Aerozord]

I think the difference here is that Mayuri will kill you in some incredibly fucked up way because he is a total sociopath, and then in the process of that, probably be a pretty huge douche about it. Whereas Gin will kill you in some totally sociopathic way or whatever, just because he thinks that would be an incredibly douchey thing to do, and he doesn't love doing any kind of thing more, than the incredibly douchey kinds of things.

Like, Mayuri is Pol Pot, or Himmler, or some sort of total maniac like that. Wheras Gin is the football player who would come up to you at the cafeteeria and shove your face into your tater-tots and salisbury steak, then laugh about it with all of his douchebag friends. Except instead of tater-tots, disembowelment.


although Mayuri is more, well, evil, evil is not equivalent to doucheness. Thats why I think there is some discreptancy. I looked at the urban dictionary link of the definition of douche, and Mayuri doesn't fit it

[01d55]

I tend to spoiler tag even things that happened in anime that's been out for a while in consideration of people who might not be fully caught up. I mean if it happened way back in the bounto filler or before that I'm sorry, not tagged, but all the stuff after the good guys invade Hueco Mundo, that I'm gonna tag.
although Mayuri is more, well, evil, evil is not equivalent to doucheness. Thats why I think there is some discreptancy. I looked at the urban dictionary link of the definition of douche, and Mayuri doesn't fit it

Evil is not exclusive with doucheness either. It's not like you graduate from douchebag to genuinely evil guy.

I already gave an example of Mayuri 1. Doing something evil and then 2. Being a douche about it, but there's also a clear case of him just being a douche.
Let's consider the fight between Mayuri and Syazel. Right at the beginning he lets Syazel grab him and make one of those voodoo dolls and then acts like he's totally helpless before the voodoo doll's power before he all of a sudden jumps up and is all "Just kidding! I'm actually fine, your voodoo crap doesn't do shit to me." He makes a goofy face at Syazel right as he jumps up, and then again to Ishida when he complains about what a douche he was to let him and Renji think they were all fucked. There isn't anything particularly evil about that, it is just pure douchery.

Also I only focus on the word douche because I was originally responding to Fifthfiend's post about Byakuya. Through this whole thread it could just as easily be jerk or asshole.

I have to say Ulquiorra finally talking about himself has been a huge disappointment, mostly because of how fucking stupid he is. "My eyes can see anything, but I've never seen this "soul" before! Would I see it if I tore open parts of your body? I think not."
Dude, Ulquiorra, you can see anything, but you haven't seen any souls? You are a fucking hollow you eat souls, it is the staple of your diet! Espada 10 ate like hundreds of souls right in front of you. You couldn't make it on to a goddamn Cinnamon Toast Crunch commercial with those powers of observation.

[Ryong]

Hey guys, go read the latest chapter.

Yammy is going to kill everyone.

[Fifthfiend]

Let's consider the fight between Mayuri and Syazel. Right at the beginning he lets Syazel grab him and make one of those voodoo dolls and then acts like he's totally helpless before the voodoo doll's power before he all of a sudden jumps up and is all "Just kidding! I'm actually fine, your voodoo crap doesn't do shit to me." He makes a goofy face at Syazel right as he jumps up, and then again to Ishida when he complains about what a douche he was to let him and Renji think they were all fucked. There isn't anything particularly evil about that, it is just pure douchery.

It's possible that we're not holding him fully to account for douchery because when he is a douche it tends to be totally awesome.

[EVILNess]

I'll always wonder how the original one shot would have played out had he not changed so much. (IE Inoue dies,They hand out actual tickets to Soul Society instead of the hilt on the forehead, Rukia is 3 inches tall and is kicked out of Soul Society for being mean to Ichigo.)

[Fifthfiend]

Horrible things about Rukia

You shut the fuck up do you hear me?

[01d55]

What is this "original one shot," and why does it sound so terrible?

[Mesden]

You know I was wondering how/if they were going to con a way for Hitsugaya to win, so of course Halibel's release is goddamn water based. Jesus christ what a dumb move Halibel, you just wasted him with nothing and now you give him a huge fucking ace.

[Fifthfiend]

It fits the general Arrancar pattern of "ownage, release 'super powerful final form', get chumped hard". Although in this case she's seen what he can do and doesn't seem too worried about it. (Also she's still holding her sword and hasn't transformed or nothin', so is she even released yet?)

[Mesden]

My one, one hope is that it is actually Ukitake coming to the rescue. His release chant had like "crashing waves" and shit in it and that would be an excellent time for him to step up.

[Fifthfiend]

Oh. Yeah, that would kind of own. He's not even fighting anyone cool right now or anything so, yeah, that should go down.

[Bells]

well You can't really tell, but that wave could be Ukitake's attack trying to join in before Halibel actually went on Hitsugaya. Although i'm pretty sure Ukitake is with Shunsui fighting Stark right now.

Also, how the hell did you know about Yammy Mes? You mentioned this before the Raw was around... That little twist was actually pretty cool. And now they are likely to get all killed =3

[Aerozord]

you know I was wondering what the writer was thinking saving the weakest arrancar for last. I am impressed at how he pulled it off, the number change showing that unreleased he is the weakest, which explains Ichigo's pwnage. Doesn't explain why the 4th ranked was ordering him around, unless they are so rigid about it that Yammy is treated dead last while unreleased

though there is still an arrancar missing. You remember that freaky kid we saw when they got orihime

[Locke cole]

you know I was wondering what the writer was thinking saving the weakest arrancar for last. I am impressed at how he pulled it off, the number change showing that unreleased he is the weakest, which explains Ichigo's pwnage. Doesn't explain why the 4th ranked was ordering him around, unless they are so rigid about it that Yammy is treated dead last while unreleased

though there is still an arrancar missing. You remember that freaky kid we saw when they got orihime

You mean the really absentminded one that went feral and totally nuts when he saw Urahara?

[Fifthfiend]

you know I was wondering what the writer was thinking saving the weakest arrancar for last. I am impressed at how he pulled it off, the number change showing that unreleased he is the weakest, which explains Ichigo's pwnage. Doesn't explain why the 4th ranked was ordering him around, unless they are so rigid about it that Yammy is treated dead last while unreleased

So rigid that the last time they took a guy out of the top 10 and brought in a replacement for him they were like "Okay new guy, you, you're number six now."

Bleach: where things make hella sense, all the damn time.

Just accept that power levels in this thing = whatever Tweaky Cokehole decides they are from week to week and go with it.

[Aerozord]

You mean the really absentminded one that went feral and totally nuts when he saw Urahara?

yea that guy, we haven't seen him anywhere since then. He has to be somewhere

[Bells]

that's Wonderweiss he is probably "Pi" Espada or something like that...

also, just to note on the current manga The Espadas aren't really an organized Bunch. Remember, noon knew about Ulquiorra's "second form". Grimmjow didn't know about Ichigo's mask, nor did Ulquiorra... but we know that Aizen and probably Szazyel Aporro already knew.) It's not unlikely that only Aizen knows about Yammy.

Also, on that same Point... this means that is likely that Zaraki, Unohana, Byakuya and Mayuri will Team-Tag The Zero Espada on the next Chapters! that will be nice

[Locke cole]

If he's powerful enough to be the Zero espada, does this mean that Yammy is likely a Vastro Lorde? I mean, I figure that at least one of the ones in Aizen's inner circle has got to be one, and what better then the Zeroth?

... has that position been named in-comic yet? If so, what word is he using? I don't think there's a word for that in spanish. Unless he's the Cero espada which would be a hilarious little pun.

[Bells]

we can speculate about Vasto Lordes here without Spoiler Tag, because the Anime (jp) already showed the concept and all of the Espadas... plus, it's all guessing. I'm sure Stark is. I bet Wonderweiss is too. And Yammy for sure.

I mean, we still have the King's realm ahead of us... Aizen needs better Death Machines for the next battle...

[EVILNess]

You shut the fuck up do you hear me?

It's a different Rukia! I was just musing.

Geez, no one lets me muse anymore. /cry

EDIT: Okay, had to make sure you didn't nega-rep me or something for that like you did when I said I kinda wanted to see the Spirit movie.

[MasterOfMagic]

I thought all Espadas were Vasto Lordes?

I've never seen anything that's made me think there's a difference between the two, but obviously I might've forgotten something.

[Bells]

All Espadas are Adjucas, only The one Rukia fought was an Superpowered Menos Grande. We haven't met anyone who would be pointed as a clear Vasto Lorde. THe only clear is that an Adjuca is of Average level of a captain, and can grow stronger. But a Weak Vasto Lorder would, basically be on the level of the strongest captains and grow from there.

[01d55]

I thought all Espadas were Vasto Lordes?

I've never seen anything that's made me think there's a difference between the two, but obviously I might've forgotten something.

Espada just means you're one of the ten most powerful Arrancar at a given time - that's why there's a bunch of former Espada running around moping about how they've been replaced like they were month-old iPods.

Vasto Lorde is one of three classifications of Menos Grande* - before Aizen showed up with his magic Arrancar ball, they were the most powerful hollow around. So far we only have Rukia's word for it, but they're supposed to be a bit tougher than "captain-class**." Allegedly there's less than 10 Vasto Lorde, period. They're also supposed to be roughly human sized and generally humanoid, so it's easy to see how you'd get them confused with Arrancar in general.

From what I can tell, the tougher a Hollow was before becoming an Arrancar the nastier they are as Arrancar, so it's my guess that the huge gap between Nnoitora and Ulquiorra is because the top four of the present Espada were Vasto Lorde.

Also I've been re-watching old episodes and holy crap, Rukia was a epic dick to Ichigo before she got arrested. Seriously look at episode 2, it's awesome.

* The other two are Adjuchas, like Grimmjow, and the giant mooks whose name I forget because they're just giant mooks.
** As far as I can tell "captain class" means "any doofus who can bankai"

[MasterOfMagic]

Ah, I think I see where I got confused. The anime notes that vasto lordes are more powerful than captain-class shinigami, and that even 10 of them would be enough to overpower Soul Society, and then cuts away to Aizen surrounded by Arrancar, implying that they're the same. (or at least that's how I remember it. Its been a damn long time)

I never really bothered to think anymore about it. Makes sense now.

[synkr0nized]

The limit of not allowing the top four Espada to release within the dome is used by some to support the idea that those four are Vasto Lords. However, it is highly unlikely any of the others are at all, since Aizen has told Gin he still needs to find them to complete the Espada forces needed to take on the Shinigami.

Personally, I think it would be unfortunate if Yammy was a Vasto Lord. He lacks the wit of many of his [more interesting] brethren, notably Ulquiorra, but his recent number change [becoming 0] may show that I am underestimating him.

Wonderweiss remains a mystery. He was with Tosen, but who knows? He's one of those characters that authors can just throw anywhere they need/want to.

[Locke cole]

Espada just means you're one of the ten most powerful Arrancar at a given time - that's why there's a bunch of former Espada running around moping about how they've been replaced like they were month-old iPods.

Vasto Lorde is one of three classifications of Menos Grande* - before Aizen showed up with his magic Arrancar ball, they were the most powerful hollow around. So far we only have Rukia's word for it, but they're supposed to be a bit tougher than "captain-class**." Allegedly there's less than 10 Vasto Lorde, period. They're also supposed to be roughly human sized and generally humanoid, so it's easy to see how you'd get them confused with Arrancar in general.

From what I can tell, the tougher a Hollow was before becoming an Arrancar the nastier they are as Arrancar, so it's my guess that the huge gap between Nnoitora and Ulquiorra is because the top four of the present Espada were Vasto Lorde.

Also I've been re-watching old episodes and holy crap, Rukia was a epic dick to Ichigo before she got arrested. Seriously look at episode 2, it's awesome.

* The other two are Adjuchas, like Grimmjow, and the giant mooks whose name I forget because they're just giant mooks.
** As far as I can tell "captain class" means "any doofus who can bankai"The giant mooks are called Gillians. They're faceless, probably nameless, and all identical. But at the time they were introduced, they were a pretty big deal.

As for the any doofus who can bankai comment. Yeah, I agree with you on that one. But note this: how many non-captains can actually do Bankai that we know of? And only Ichigo and Urahara got their Bankai without the centuries or w/e of training; so it's a pretty big accomplishment when you think about it.

Coming back to Menos; it seems that the smaller and more humanoid a hollow is before being Arrancar'd, the more powerful he is, with Vastro Lordes being pretty much just humanshaped and human-sized. Again, stronger then Captain-Class, and it was mentioned that Aizen would be pretty much unstoppable if he turned even a handful of Vastro Lordes into Arrancar.
Unless I'm mistaken, Fracción is pretty much a regression into a form more like the Hollow's original form for extra power, or something like that, right? So the less monstrous a released Arrancar is, the stronger he is.
Of course, even the worthless, not-even-Menos Hollows can be turned into really wimpy Arrancar (*cough*Grand Fisher*cough*)

[synkr0nized]

The Fracción is the name of an Espada's soldiers, much like a captain's division. These are taken, at the Espada's choice, from any of the arrancar, notably from the numeros [i.e. each Espada has arrancar from the numeros serving with them, at least if they chose any]. They should all be of adjuchas level, as I don't think gillian-level arrancars would make it into division-like roles (though of course there was Aaroniero Arruruerie, so it's definitely possible).

[Locke cole]

Oh, whoops. So what is the name of the Arrancar's release state? Is it just Shikai? Or is there some other, more gramatically wonky Spanish name?
(Whatever I say about Kubo's Spanish, I will admit that it's impressive that he manages to find Spanish words that can be written in Japanese to have an entirely different, but no less fitting, meaning.)

[Bells]

Resserecion (ressurection) is the name of arrankar's release. Not like Shikai or Bankai, as it doesn't release their inner power. It just Semi-reverts them to their Hollow State. So it's much closer to an Vaizard's Mask summoning.

Note also that Gillians tend to be Monstrous looking, While Adjuchas are very humanoid with just small pieces of their Hollow masks in them. And Vasto Lorde could just be an Human-Looking being with those Hollow holes in them.

Which, to be honest, i would not be surprised if it was the case of Aizen, Tousen and Gin. There is no allusion that a Shinigami can actually turn into an arrancar... but that's what Aizen was looking into, so...

[Locke cole]

Huh. That'd be interesting. If that were true, then perhaps that's the answer to what happens when an arrancar removes all of his mask.

Of course there's already a precedent for Shinigami becoming Arrancar... sort of. Y'know, because the Vizard are essentially reverse-arrancar, being Shinigami who put on the mask, instead of Hollows who take off the mask.

[Mesden]

Explanations abound:

Yammy isn't a vastlorde. His power is literally being a battery. It's why he's the only Arrancar we've seen eating souls/other hollows, it's why he's grown bigger in Hueco Mundo(Just being around assloads of spirit particles), and is also why he's been eating a shitton and sleeping a lot up until now. He is the hollow with potentially the most raw power, so while unreleased he's just a chump bitch who gets smacked around by Ulq because he hasn't eaten and slept enough. Given a bit of time to charge up, he gets more overwhelming power than any Espada. There's no way he's a vastolorde because they are almost identifiably humanoid, and Yammy is like an Ankylosaurus or something in that last picture of him. Chances are either the top four are Vastolorde, or just Stark is (It's why #2 hates him so much. Ulq's big "trade regen for power and vice versa" thing is why he's weaker than Halibel and Barragan, who are as powerful as Adjuchas get, whereas Stark, who is almost barely recognizable from a human, just happens to be vastly superior by merit of being a Vastolord Arrancar.

About the arrancars themselves and Aizen's magic ball: we know for sure SOME of the espada didn't get Death Ball'd into arrancar. How? Well there was a Flashback to years and years passed with Nel and Nnoitora at the very least hunting vastolordes for Aizen, so there's a natural Arrancarizing process. I actually think that Wonderweiss was one of his first/his first usage of the Death Ball.

[synkr0nized]

Well, it's about that time for the old thread to get eaten by a new, more powerful one.