Bleach Thread: The Continuity [use spoiler tags for stuff after the latest anime]

[01d55]

So when I watch an anime, I make sure to get my information correct before posting about it. Dunno how you like to roll. As Mesden has pointed out, they are the same arrancar that become his Fraccion, which should be pretty obvious given their hallow forms look the same, their masks look the same, and they have the same names.

Well when I post about an anime I generally like to remember stuff and then make reasonable inferences to fill in the gaps in my memory, like "I remember seeing that dude eat the adjuchas he was traveling with, so of course he must have killed them like they asked him to first" and "If he killed and ate those guys, they couldn't possibly be the guys who got killed at a later point in time" and "Sosuke fucking said they were Gillian (indeed, the lowest thereof) and didn't have any reason to lie to Gin" and "Bleach isn't fucking DC, so it's not like the Bleach guy is going to retcon that guy's mooks to a different level of Menos than they were previously established to be just to make it more like when he was a kid or something like that" on account of how that's a lot faster than looking up and re-watching every episode I care to comment on. (In retrospect, "Aizen Sosuke wouldn't lie to someone for no reason" isn't top shelf as a reasonable inference)

But since you and Mesden both challenged me on the point, I spent the time to track down the episode and re-watched it and yeah, you two are right, those guys are the guys, which makes those guys at least 40% more interesting.

[Locke cole]

I would just like to restate that Kubo hates arms. This goes as far back as the first chapter, where arm-severing is the first thing that Ichigo does to Fishbone D once he gets powers. It just continued from there.

[Mesden]

Speaking of severing, check out the latest chapter. Haha fuck yes Halibel you are now my favorite non-stark espada. Cut him from the shoulder to foot completely fucking off even when he was all "I will not underestimate you." Sharks own, now Barragan has to be a Bear. Sharks and Bears motherfucker.

[Bells]

well, this only means that the Vaizard squad is about to show up, and now things will get interesting!

Also, cute little trivia on Hallibel jut now: i like it how her attack is Projectile Azul ( Blue Projectile ) and she is the 3rd espada, while Neliel was also 3rd espada and her attack was Lanzador Verde ( Green Shooter ). And they both are Titttastic... Aizen gotz some style on picking his frontline...

Also on the vaizards (which are likely to show up soon) The big one with pink hair is a Kidou master, so he is likely to be able to heal everyone or at least prevent their deaths

[Ryong]

I know that it won't happen, but I surely hope that Hitsugaya dies. Kid deserves it.

[Locke cole]

He's already dead.

[synkr0nized]

And fangirls (or even boys?) around the world unite under Orihime's banner and shout, "Reject!"

[Aerozord]

honestly I think ice boy was abit retarded when it came to his comments about "her outward appearance didn't change much but I wont underestimate her". Didn't he get his hollow information lecture like the rest of us? Arrancar barely changing during release = vasto lorde ownage time

[Locke cole]

honestly I think ice boy was abit retarded when it came to his comments about "her outward appearance didn't change much but I wont underestimate her". Didn't he get his hollow information lecture like the rest of us? Arrancar barely changing during release = vasto lorde ownage time

Didn't he deliver that Hollow Info lecture?

*One Onemanga dive later*
YEAH, he is the one who GAVE THE EXPOSITION ON VASTRO LORDES. So the author has no excuse making him treat a very petite release as decievingly powerful. He KNOWS what to expect.

[MasterOfMagic]

Well, that's probably why they threw that "I will not underestimate her" line in to suggest. It apparently didn't work well, but there you go.

I may know what to expect if someone throws a nuke at me, but that doesn't mean I can do shit about it.

[Ryong]

And fangirls (or even boys?) around the world unite under Orihime's banner and shout, "Reject!"

Then everyone wins. Orihime finally stops being useless and Hitsugaya dies, even if only for a little bit.

[01d55]

Hey guys let's be a little tighter with the spoiler tags, I haven't looked through any but it's still not hard to guess from what isn't tagged that you're talking about the Kid Captain's death, which is not a thing I was expecting.

[Aerozord]

no its serious injury. This is bleach after all. Serious injury is to be expected, death is expected to be avoided. I question how much of a spoiler "character in shonen series gets beat up" is.

[Mesden]

And that, that was a spoiler, that you shouldn't say without spoilers.

Holy hell do not talk about the manga without spoiler tags.

[Fifthfiend]

Dude Aerozord don't be a douche, slap spoilers on that shit and try to remember that you're talking about a comic book in the TV forum. Characters getting regularly cut the fuck up in a manga doesn't mean you wanna be told in advance exactly what character is gonna get cut the fuck up exactly when well in advance of getting to view it yourself in the animated cartoon series you're trying to enjoy, cause you got told by some douchebag reading the manga.

I'm trying not to generally not be a hardass about this whole "talking about books and comics in the TV Movies and Animation forum when we have a fucking Books and Comics forum right over yonder" because when dealing with the entertainment product of our beloved international buddy Japan then hey, it's a book! And it's a cartoon! Two great tastes that are hard as fuck to categorize together! But the more people can't be bothered making that possible by showing a little consideration for their fellow posters, the more likely I'm gonna have to do some annoying shit like make one thread in B&C for only talking about the manga, and one thread in anime for only talking about the anime, and like, that just sounds less fun for everybody.

I even just went out of my way to make spoilers the easiest fucking thing in the universe to use so really, come on. [SS] tag, motherfuckers! Learn it, love it, make it a part of your world. There really are no excuses.

(Use-spoilers reminder goes kinda for everybody, Zordlinger warned particularly for being a douche about it.)

[EVILNess]

Why all the Hitsugaya hate? I mean he is an annoying Mary-Sue, but he isn't any worse than any of the other thousands of Mary-Sues in existence.I don't particularly like his character, but I don't really get the hate either.

[Bells]

Why all the Hitsugaya hate? I mean he is an annoying Mary-Sue, but he isn't any worse than any of the other thousands of Mary-Sues in existence.I don't particularly like his character, but I don't really get the hate either.

He is the popular Captain via voting pools in Japan. Therefore he shows up a lot more on the manga and anime than people believe he deserves (and he got his own movie). It is common and traditional to hate such characters!

[Aerozord]

yea its pasically an out of sight out of mind thing. The more a mary-sue appears, the more they are hated for taking the spotlight from more interesting characters

[Marelo]

Can he be a Mary Sue if even the creator hates him?

I was always under the impression that a Mary Sue has to be a sort of avatar for the creator to qualify as such.

[Aerozord]

well I think technically canon sue (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanonSue) is the right trope. But alot of people use mary-sue as a more general term for any 'can do no wrong' character

[01d55]

Can he be a Mary Sue if even the creator hates him?

I was always under the impression that a Mary Sue has to be a sort of avatar for the creator to qualify as such.

This is true. The real problem is that Hitsugaya fans are predominantly women, and famously so. To a certain kind of male fan, this means hating Hitsugaya is manly. More broadly, there are male fans who simply can't imagine a character who isn't there for them. Hitsugaya is one of very few male characters who aren't constructed as a male avatar fantasy (i.e. the kind of awesome dude you'd like to be because then you'd be an awesome dude) but as a female desire fantasy.

I don't care for him myself, but that's because I figure he's for people what ain't me, and that's okay, 'cos it ain't like every single character that isn't him is there for me.

[Ryong]

I hate him for a simple reason: He's a kid. He can't use his bankai for long either, but he needs it in every fight he enters, almost instantly, too. For the fight against Halibel, I'd prefer if Ukitake did it, since we never saw him do anything like Shunsui...Except now Shunsui's fighting Stark. Then again, chances are pretty good that Ukitake will show up to save Hitsugaya, since, y'know, he uses water like Halibel...But also uses thunder so yeah. I'd like to mention that, no, it's not a deal with "the kind of awesome dude you'd like to be because then you'd be an awesome dude" like 01d55 just said: Hisagi fills the same quota as Hitsugaya, but isn't a prick about it. But then Hitsugaya has his own movie for no particular reason other than making girls go "SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".

[Fifthfiend]

This is true. The real problem is that Hitsugaya fans are predominantly women, and famously so. To a certain kind of male fan, this means hating Hitsugaya is manly. More broadly, there are male fans who simply can't imagine a character who isn't there for them. Hitsugaya is one of very few male characters who aren't constructed as a male avatar fantasy (i.e. the kind of awesome dude you'd like to be because then you'd be an awesome dude) but as a female desire fantasy.

But the person hating him hardest is Mesden.。。

EDIT: MESDEN IS A DUDE :O :O :O :O :O

EDIT: A RACIST DUDE

[Mesden]

No no no I'm just not Japanese.

Addendum: I also hate Soifon who is a raging lesbian. What kind of dude hates asian lesbians?

...

Apparently a racist one. Man I should've been in Killer7.

[Aerozord]

Actually we are pouring on the hate alot, we need more love. You know I just realized basically every captian during the Pendulum arc was awesome


Addendum: I also hate Soifon who is a raging lesbian. What kind of dude hates asian lesbians?


flaming homosexuals?

[01d55]

Addendum: I also hate Soifon who is a raging lesbian. What kind of dude hates asian lesbians?

Well apparently the same kind of dude who hates The Sandman, so I'm going to go ahead and say it's the kind of dude who hates fun.

More to the point, my hack-sociological explanation for why there's a trend towards hating Hitsugaya should not be construed to explain the motives of an arbitrarily selected individual Hitsugaya-hater.

[Mesden]

The sandman is anti-fun what the hell.

ps: Hitsugaya sucks.

[Marelo]

I want to see more of Shinji. Dude rocks people's shit with style.

[01d55]

I'm curious about the Vazards' Shikai and Bankai - for some reason they go for the mask before using Shikai, (metatextually, it's to prompt exposition and show off the new power type, but diegetically it may never be explained). The most pressure we've seen the Vaizard face is when Ichigo was fighting his psycho self, and even then it was only just about to get to the point where one of them was about to use his mask. In the past arc we saw Tachikaze, but otherwise we haven't seen the names or powers of any of the Vazards' zanpakuto.

[Ryong]

I'm taking it that they use their Shikai and Bankai normally, the mask simply gives them a power boost whenever used.

[Locke cole]

Actually, the mask-related thing I am most interested in is; what happens if a Hollow removes their entire mask? Do they become Soul Reapers?

Heh. Wouldn't it be pretty interesting if that turns out to be how Soul Reapers first happened? I mean, look at how Ichigo developed his own powers. It may very well be a very accelerated version of how a person becomes a Soul Reaper in their first incarnation. Which as we all know is the way Ichigo does everything.

[Ryong]

Actually, the mask-related thing I am most interested in is; what happens if a Hollow removes their entire mask? Do they become Soul Reapers?

Heh. Wouldn't it be pretty interesting if that turns out to be how Soul Reapers first happened? I mean, look at how Ichigo developed his own powers. It may very well be a very accelerated version of how a person becomes a Soul Reaper in their first incarnation. Which as we all know is the way Ichigo does everything.

I believe they already do it, just keep some of the mask as, Iunno, a memento.

[Sithdarth]

I suspect that true Vizards in total command of their abilities can go all the way back to how they looked in the pendulum arc. That is more like a released arrancar and slightly less like just a shinigami with a mask. Ichigo's latest transformation would suggest that as well. However, his lineage is unique and he obtained his shinigami and his hallow powers in different ways than any of the Vizards. In short, all bets are off and you really never know for sure with Bleach.

[Mesden]

Actually, the mask-related thing I am most interested in is; what happens if a Hollow removes their entire mask? Do they become Soul Reapers?

Heh. Wouldn't it be pretty interesting if that turns out to be how Soul Reapers first happened? I mean, look at how Ichigo developed his own powers. It may very well be a very accelerated version of how a person becomes a Soul Reaper in their first incarnation. Which as we all know is the way Ichigo does everything.

Two sources of power for a hollow: Their mask, and their hole.

If they completely remove their mask then they're still just arrancars, ala the holes. If they somehow did both, I'd wager it'd be similar to a vaizard who puts on a mask and has a hollow hole, ala Ichigo. So a super arrancar.

[Bells]

Bleach 10th Opening Shojo S - Guitar Enhanced (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y48OolxUULs&feature=channel_page)

About Hollow masks... they can't really remove all their mask. But the more powerfull Arrancar have a very human-like figure.

Also, on my theory with no need on Spoilers (because it's based on "Methinks") is that an Arrancar can indeed become something else, but not due to their masks, but actually their "Holes". If that got closed, something could happen.

Case in point: Where is Neliel's Hollow Hole? Barragan's? Hallibel's?

[Aerozord]

Remember 100 years ago the vizards were captain level, and have trained those powers for awhile. We saw Shinji pull off a cero even. I'm betting they can access shikai and bankai normally, and just dont have need to since their mask has been enough.

[Mesden]

Bleach 10th Opening Shojo S - Guitar Enhanced (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y48OolxUULs&feature=channel_page)

About Hollow masks... they can't really remove all their mask. But the more powerfull Arrancar have a very human-like figure.

Also, on my theory with no need on Spoilers (because it's based on "Methinks") is that an Arrancar can indeed become something else, but not due to their masks, but actually their "Holes". If that got closed, something could happen.

Case in point: Where is Neliel's Hollow Hole? Barragan's? Hallibel's?

...

Szayel's?

[Aerozord]

maybe its under their pants? arrancar's hole can be anywhere.

[01d55]

There's a trend among the arrancar to be somewhat anxious about their hollow-holes. Many Arrancar hide their holes under clothing, and crazy cat arrancar pointed out that Ulquiorra tends to poke holes in people in the same place as his hole.

And of course, a hidden hole is an opportunity for your enemy to whiff a stab (cf. Nnoitora)

[Fifthfiend]

So I was watching some old episodes and it occurred to me that what sums up what I like about Rukia as a character is that when she flips the fuck out and punches the hero in the face, the hero pretty much always has it coming and in the end is basically better off for having taken a good solid facekick or two.

Oh also taking a moment to talk about the anime here in this Animation Forum thread, I liked the way it expanded on Ex-Captain Surferdude's character in those Pendulum episodes. That one episode of him farting around town drinking and gambling but then it turns out he was actually tracking down some dudes to then go and brutally murder really expanded on his character re: the being a totally ruthless bastard that someone (Krylo?) mentioned in a previous thread.

[Bells]

There's a trend among the arrancar to be somewhat anxious about their hollow-holes. Many Arrancar hide their holes under clothing, and crazy cat arrancar pointed out that Ulquiorra tends to poke holes in people in the same place as his hole.

And of course, a hidden hole is an opportunity for your enemy to whiff a stab (cf. Nnoitora)

At first i thought Szayel's Hole was in his bellybutton, but now i see that it isn't. So i put him on the same place as Hallibel and Neliel... "i've seen too much of your body, and i no longer want to KNOW where the hole is"

[Aerozord]

Hallibel... "i've seen too much of your body, and i no longer want to KNOW where the hole is"

I never thought anyone would say this about Hallibel

[Fifthfiend]

And we've struck Awful.

[01d55]

So I was watching some old episodes and it occurred to me that what sums up what I like about Rukia as a character is that when she flips the fuck out and punches the hero in the face, the hero pretty much always has it coming and in the end is basically better off for having taken a good solid facekick or two.

To be fair, it's not like Ichigo ever doesn't have it coming.

Oh also taking a moment to talk about the anime here in this Animation Forum thread, I liked the way it expanded on Ex-Captain Surferdude's character in those Pendulum episodes. That one episode of him farting around town drinking and gambling but then it turns out he was actually tracking down some dudes to then go and brutally murder really expanded on his character re: the being a totally ruthless bastard that someone (Krylo?) mentioned in a previous thread.
A: That was me (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=914661&postcount=33), and
B: he was actually tracking down some dudes to then go and brutally murder with his bare hands.

And we've struck Awful.

What? All I see is dudes acting on their natural and inevitable impulse to want to bang anything with tits, and I don't see how anyone could see anything awful with that without being some kind of freak, like a woman or a homosexual.:p

[Fifthfiend]

B: he was actually tracking down some dudes to then go and brutally murder with his bare hands.

So noted.

Basically the more I look at him the more Urahara looks kind of like Dick Cheney except with sincerity and charisma, IE the most terrifying fucking thing ever to walk the Earth.

[Locke cole]

And he has balls of steel.

[Fifthfiend]

UPDATE: Aerozord's had two warnings previously for spoiler-shit, so giving him 5 days off for that last thing I warned him for.

[Premmy]

Did'nt know Urhara's balls of steel was a spoiler.
Pre-emptive edit: JOKING!

[01d55]

Speaking of forgetting the extent to which things we know are true are extremely fucking true, I completely forgot about the douchiest thing Ichimaru has done so far, which is also the douchiest thing anyone has ever done.

Specifically, the thing he did after Hinamori found Aizen's fake corpse.

[Fifthfiend]

And he has balls of steel.

Let us not forget that Dick Cheney is the man who shot another man in the face, and then made the other man apologize, on television, for getting his face in the way of Dick Cheney's gun.

Which is to say that I feel your point was sufficiently covered by my original comparison.

Speaking of forgetting the extent to which things we know are true are extremely fucking true, I completely forgot about the douchiest thing Ichimaru has done so far, which is also the douchiest thing anyone has ever done.

Specifically, the thing he did after Hinamori found Aizen's fake corpse.

Oh! Yes, that was quite douchey indeed.

[Bells]

Specifically, the thing he did after Hinamori found Aizen's fake corpse.

I thought we could agree on the fact the Gin's top Douche moment was the one he pulled off on Rukia a bit later on!

Also, on Hallibel...

http://th07.deviantart.com/fs25/300W/i/2008/131/3/e/hallibel_by_kakashi_jounnin_BR.jpg

That's her, Manga version. From latest manga i know her Hole isn't on her arms/shoulder/upper body.

So yeah... if it's not on her leg i'm more confortable not knowing where Kubo put that fisted size hole that goes trough the body of all Arrankar/Hollows...

[Premmy]

wow. that's the most rediculous, skankiest thing ever. Ivy would'nt wear that shit.

[synkr0nized]

Yes, it is definitely pretty retarded.
But oh man she can talk shit at captains. It's great.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm pretty sure in Bleach power is actually determined by your skill at shit-talking.

...THIS SHOULD BE SOMEONE'S POWER

[BitVyper]

wow. that's the most rediculous, skankiest thing ever. Ivy would'nt wear that shit.

Mostly because Ivy would never wear that much clothing at one time.

[synkr0nized]

I am imagining someone just layin' down some classic and some new insults, almost like some kind of rap contest, and the opponent(s) just reeling like they had been struck across the teeth with a crowbar or something.

[Premmy]

I am imagining someone just layin' down some classic and some new insults, almost like some kind of rap contest, and the opponent(s) just reeling like they had been struck across the teeth with a crowbar or something.

Yeah, that'd be pretty awesome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Q9sDxORI4)

[synkr0nized]

Eh, he's conjuring up visible things, more like graffiti-attacks than just invisible word-stomping.


Back on topic, Aizen had left Hueco Mundo to Ulq's care. With Yammy's recent claim/the potential revelation of the numbering system, I am curious if this is something the others know about and didn't reveal on purpose or if Yammy kept it as his little surprise. Or maybe it just wasn't relevant due to him having to charge up/rest for it and release to make it happen.

[Bells]

Aizen knows. But Information is handed with a tight leash on Hueco mundo. Think about it...

Ichimaru, Aizen, Tousen seemed to be the only ones knowing what Szayel was doing in his lab (PS: We still don't know what those bodies Mayuri found there were). Nobody knew about Ulquiorra's second form. Both Grimmjow and Ulquiorra were Highly surprised on what was related to Ichigo's mask too...

[synkr0nized]

Right, right, but until Aizen starts talking more, I don't mind entertaining the idea that people are, at least in appearance, hiding information from him. I'm hesitant to give Aaroniero's words any credit, but if he was also truly interested in staying out of Aizen's sight it goes along with the ideas you mention that Arrancar enjoy having secrets / holding tight to information. I could see Yammy enjoying taking people off-guard with it.

See you next thread.