Homesuck: Vriska Rising [Archive] - Page 10

Aldurin

11-03-2010, 05:08 PM

The alchemiter is very heavy.

Also, John's posters are vandalized (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004570). The code would not work correctly unless he reassembled all the pieces and worked the clown parts out of the code.

I'm sure the details will come in time, I'm just guessing on this stuff.

Loyal

11-03-2010, 05:13 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of, "Her Cageshrine is in her own private portal. How did Equius get to it?"

Aldurin

11-03-2010, 05:19 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of, "Her Cageshrine is in her own private portal. How did Equius get to it?"

Probably something to do with how they stash each other's stuff in random chests.

Grimpond

11-03-2010, 05:47 PM

or maybe she, I dunno, MADE IT.

Flarecobra

11-03-2010, 05:56 PM

I'm going to laugh if it turned out it WAS a towel with the Con-Air poster printed on it.

Bard The 5th LW

11-03-2010, 07:21 PM

Did you read that POS! You were mentioned!

And you're legendary!

POS Industries

11-03-2010, 09:12 PM

Shut up baby, I know it.

Art of Hilt

11-04-2010, 07:59 AM

shh
only dreams
now

Aldurin

11-04-2010, 09:36 AM

I never get tired of all of Dave's sick metaphors and analogies.

BitVyper

11-04-2010, 02:16 PM

Gotta be honest, Terezi, you're not getting a lot of sympathy from me here. Given the games you've been known to play, and given the fact that you're infamous for dismantling people with pure politics, I really can't blame a guy who knows this for being suspicious of your motives.

Granted, he should either learn to deal with it and give you a chance or move on, but still, you really got no one to blame but yourself there.

Edit: Although you get something from me for the fact that it seems more like you turn that ability toward trying to help people improve themselves.

Loyal

11-04-2010, 04:52 PM

I don't think she's supposed to be portrayed as sympathetic right now, or for that matter portrayed as anything other than "Terezi".

BitVyper

11-04-2010, 05:09 PM

I don't think she's supposed to be sympathetic here either. It's a response to her, not her portrayal.

Loyal

11-04-2010, 08:17 PM

Woohoo, wise feathery asshole.

DAVE: fuck it ill just power through the rest of the game with the SORD.....
DAVESPRITE: hahahaha
DAVESPRITE: with unreal air as a mount fit for a true artifact knight
DAVE: yeah
DAVE: goddamn jpeg hero
DAVE: right here That particular UNREAL AIR is gonna become important, I suspect.

Aldurin

11-04-2010, 08:28 PM

Woohoo, wise feathery asshole.

That particular UNREAL AIR is gonna become important, I suspect.

Especially since Davesprite is all telling him to make more.

Or it might not matter how many. If I had grist to burn I'd make a shitload of those just to see what happens.

Kim

11-04-2010, 08:32 PM

Doesn't unreal air give him artifact grist instead of costing grist?

Loyal

11-04-2010, 08:34 PM

No, I think it was the SBaHJ-ifier that costs negative grist.

Pretty sure UA costs nothing, though.

BitVyper

11-04-2010, 09:12 PM

That particular UNREAL AIR is gonna become important, I suspect.

EVERYTHING is or becomes important. Every goddamn thing.

If it has a name or has been drawn, or pretty much if it exists at all, it's going to end up being important.

Fifthfiend

11-04-2010, 09:19 PM

UAs will kill Lord English

*gets on skateboard, kickflips out of thread*

Aldurin

11-04-2010, 09:20 PM

UAs will kill Lord English

*gets on skateboard, kickflips out of thread*

It's obviously part of the whole "green sun" stunt they're gonna do.

BitVyper

11-04-2010, 09:36 PM

Ahahahahahahahaha! (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1488663404)

I can't even remember WHY this pleases me. I think I had someone go all "well everyone KNOWS Dave is a ginger" on me once or something.

Well, I don't remember, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't anyone from this forum; whoever you are, wherever you are; EAT IT, BITCH!

Fifthfiend

11-04-2010, 09:45 PM

John is the ginger.

POS Industries

11-04-2010, 11:08 PM

No, Gamzee is.

Flarecobra

11-04-2010, 11:17 PM

Good thing not all redheads are considered "Ginger" >_>

Anyway, any bets that Jade'll be pestered by three other trolls, but she just sleeps and never answers them?

Art of Hilt

11-05-2010, 02:01 AM

and here's Vriska reminding us why she is the best at what she does
unfortunately what she does are not particularly good things that anyone wants her to do

Viridis

11-05-2010, 02:06 AM

I'm all VRISKAAAAA :mad: at the moment but it's entirely possible she has a good reason like last time. Or, you know, VRISKAAAAA.

katiuska

11-05-2010, 02:41 AM

I think her reasons are pretty obvious--she's competing against Terezi, so she's trying to take out/incapacitate Dave so her boy comes out on top.

Dracorion

11-05-2010, 07:07 AM

Well, she did say she'd make whoever told John her name pay.

Art of Hilt

11-05-2010, 07:43 AM

oh jesus davesprite
holy fucking shit
daaaavespriiiiiiiiiiiiiite

Loyal

11-05-2010, 09:21 AM

And cut away to another perspective in 3... 2...

Flarecobra

11-05-2010, 10:15 AM

Yippie Kia Yay motherfuckers. :P

Aldurin

11-05-2010, 10:26 AM

This makes Vriska even more awesome for triggering a Davesprite battle. I don't care what you other people say.

synkr0nized

11-05-2010, 05:44 PM

Ahahahahahahahaha! (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1488663404)

Hmm.
Still not a fan of the art style.

BitVyper

11-05-2010, 06:19 PM

I like it. I wasn't super fond of the first picture of Rose's face, but everything since then has been pretty cool, and I'm all for experimentation.

My only real issue with it is that we're getting fewer pages per update, but I'm willing to bet that has more to do with the pixel pages.

Edit: I think the kernelsprites look much MUCH better in this style.

Dracorion

11-05-2010, 06:39 PM

Yeah, it was pretty weird at first, but you gotta admit it does represent the scenes better. In Dave's case, it shows the vastness of his planet, and by extension everyone else's. In Rose's case, it does a great job of conveying her emotions and her the magnitude of her magic powers better than the regular art.

I mean, can you imagine Davesprite staring down the horde of monsters done any other way?

If it helps, it's the same style we've been seeing so far for Hero Mode, only now it's being used more often.

Also, I think maybe it's supposed to symbolize the fact that the kids are done messing around. It's the eleventh hour and they're getting down to business, meaning they're engaged in near perma-Hero Mode.

On another subject, do you think Dave's going to get himself another set of Timetables? And if so, will he alchemize them with his current set to make some sort of super Timetables?

Though if that was possible, you'd think Aradia would've done it with one of her alternate future selves. But I like to think that Dave and Aradia treat their time travel in different ways. Though she presumably did more than that, all we saw of Aradia was the army of doomed alternate selves she amassed, which keeps in tone with her sense of fatalism. But Dave has expressed an aversion to dead Daves, preferring stable time loops. I imagine he'd try to think outside the box.

A Zarkin' Frood

11-05-2010, 06:44 PM

If I were the artist, which I'm not, of course, I'd try to keep the whole thing as much in one style as possible. But with a work that big a shift in style can't really be avoided, I guess. I'm not saying that I don't like the recent art shift, I just feel weird when I see the character's mouths in that style. Just the mouths, that's all. Maybe it is simply because there weren't any mouths in the old cutscene style (yeah, I just called it that). Mouths. I'll try to be as open minded towards mouths as possible.

EDIT: The sprites n' tiles are totally cool though. Reminiscent of Earthbound. Which I guess is what he/they were going for.

Locke cole

11-05-2010, 06:53 PM

No, he can't alchemize the Timetables with each other, due to the way that alchemizing works. You know, with the punch-holes and all.

Like, for example, say you have one card where the punched holes are A1 and B2, and another one, where the only holes are B2 and C5. Combining the cards && each other would require punching A1, B2, and C5. Punching them || each other would be just B2 (because that's the only one that exists on both cards.

Two Timetable cards would have the exact same codes. So, no matter which way you combine two Timetable cards, you'd just end up with the exact same code. Combining two Timetables would just get you another set of Timetables identical to the first 2.

Bard The 5th LW

11-05-2010, 06:54 PM

I'm pretty sure Andrew said on his formspring that there isn't an incredible amount of symbolism to the new style right now. He's mostly just introducing it so we can get used to potentially seeing it more often.

BitVyper

11-05-2010, 07:00 PM

If I were the artist, which I'm not, of course, I'd try to keep the whole thing as much in one style as possible.

This is what Mookie did with Dominic Deegan. Do you want to be Dominic Deegan?

Evolve, fade away, or turn into Dominic Deegan. Granted, Homestuck is not really going to be long enough to go either of the latter two ways, but the series is about growth. Hussie's pretty regularly experimented with different types of storytelling and art, this is just the most jarring change.

If it helps, it's the same style we've been seeing so far for Hero Mode, only now it's being used more often.

Naw, it's waaaay different from the "hero mode" art.

I'm pretty sure Andrew said on his formspring that there isn't an incredible amount of symbolism to the new style right now.

He said it is there somewhat, but that it's not something that should be examined too closely. It just happens to be a good place to start.

So yeah, pretty much what you said.

Viridis

11-05-2010, 07:19 PM

Yeah. Hero Mode is much flatter and with cleaner edges (http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Hero_Mode). It's more like silhouettes. This is quite different.

I've grown okay with this new style.

Art of Hilt

11-05-2010, 08:10 PM

i don't understand how anyone can still dislike the new style after the panel where Rose smiles at Jaspersprite while the rain pours over them
i just
i don't
i just
i don't understand how subjective opinions work any more

Dracorion

11-05-2010, 08:11 PM

Fair enough.

To all of you.

Though I suppose Dave could put all the Timetables into one card for double the time fuckery when alchemizing.

POS Industries

11-05-2010, 09:42 PM

I'm less put off by the new Hussnasty style and more feeling like the Earthboundesque sprites have worn out their welcome.

Krylo

11-05-2010, 09:49 PM

I'm less put off by the new Hussnasty style and more feeling like the Earthboundesque sprites have worn out their welcome.

+1

Bard The 5th LW

11-05-2010, 09:51 PM

The way I figure it, he's just showing off some excess sprites. They'll probably come to a close when he gets to use the rest of them (I.E John and Jade).

BitVyper

11-05-2010, 10:12 PM

I'm pretty sure everything is going to even out after a few scenes and we'll probably see all this stuff mixed in the same way hero mode was.

Also pixel art and sprites are awesome and krylo and POS are stupid and dumb.

There's a reason videogames don't use sprites anymore.

They don't?

Krylo

11-05-2010, 10:22 PM

Not unless they're specifically going for a retro feel and aren't trying to tell a salient narrative.

3D models are more prevalent in narrative heavy (and light, for that matter) games because sprites fail to show emotion beyond the comically over the top. They're useless in narrative, and while some people may find some nostalgic value in placing one's own emotions and inflections on top of an emotionless sprite saying emotional things, they still take control away from the creator (again, may be a good thing in some video games).

When you're trying to tell an emotive story, however, and are relying on visual cues to express those emotions, earthbound-esque sprites are crippling.

BitVyper

11-05-2010, 10:29 PM

So they do.

Aldurin

11-05-2010, 11:16 PM

Edit: I think the kernelsprites look much MUCH better in this style.

I have to disagree because of what the image manip squad has made impossible for me (and now you) to unsee.
http://foxmage.com/RoseIsUnsettledByTheJasperrack.gif

BitVyper

11-05-2010, 11:26 PM

Meh, I've been around the internet a time or two. That's pretty tame.

Dracorion

11-05-2010, 11:27 PM

Goddammit, Earl.

God fucking dammit.

BitVyper

11-06-2010, 12:05 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/BitVyper/PrinceOfSpace1.png

Art of Hilt

11-06-2010, 12:50 AM

I'd be a lot more bothered by the Earthbound sprites if they weren't used purely in transition panels that get detailed immediately in the next page.
Otherwise yeah I see where people are coming from.

Marc v4.0

11-06-2010, 02:11 AM

There's a reason videogames don't use sprites anymore.

Because they are all lame.

Fifthfiend

11-06-2010, 10:59 AM

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9503/davehassecrets.gif

Not unless they're specifically going for a retro feel and aren't trying to tell a salient narrative.

3D models are more prevalent in narrative heavy (and light, for that matter) games because sprites fail to show emotion beyond the comically over the top. They're useless in narrative, and while some people may find some nostalgic value in placing one's own emotions and inflections on top of an emotionless sprite saying emotional things, they still take control away from the creator (again, may be a good thing in some video games).

When you're trying to tell an emotive story, however, and are relying on visual cues to express those emotions, earthbound-esque sprites are crippling.

Another demonstration of how impossible it is to convey an emotional narrative without emotive 3d figures: every novel ever written.

EDIT: You know what would be great if it were prevalent in narrative-heavy games? Narratives that aren't rancid dogshit.

Krylo

11-06-2010, 11:15 AM

Another demonstration of how impossible it is to convey an emotional narrative without emotive 3d figures: every novel ever written.Not a salient comparison. In a book you describe a character's expressions, their actions, etc. in the narrative. You aren't limited only to what they say or, on occasion, think.

In comics and games you can't write into their text box how their breathing was labored or how their brow was wrinkled in consternation, you have to rely on the graphics to emote. The difference between an emotive graphical representation and a static sprite is the difference between Keanu Reeves reading a line and Anthony Hopkins reading a line.

You know what would be great if it were prevalent in narrative-heavy games? Narratives that aren't rancid dogshit.Agreed. Ergo:
they still take control away from the creator (again, may be a good thing in some video games).

Doesn't really apply to the discussion on why MS Paint Adventures should/shouldn't be using Earthboundesque sprites, however.

BitVyper

11-06-2010, 01:31 PM

sprites fail to show emotion beyond the comically over the top.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/BitVyper/notemotiveatall.jpg

Archbio

11-06-2010, 02:00 PM

The word of the week is: salient.

Example: "The salient lion is emoting his heart out on the Coat of Arms."

synkr0nized

11-06-2010, 02:23 PM

I'm less put off by the new Hussnasty style and more feeling like the Earthboundesque sprites have worn out their welcome.

Yes.

And also yes to the new art != our tried and true Hero Mode art.

*shrug* In any case, when looking at these two examples, I still prefer the "old" style (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004591) over the new style (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004716); it's just not doing it for me as much. But it's not like it's bad, so I'm not going to be avoiding the comic or anything ridiculous...

BitVyper

11-06-2010, 02:40 PM

Like I said; I think we'll see plenty of both. And probably some other stuff too - there's still two acts left to go after this one.

Loyal

11-06-2010, 02:41 PM

Bard The 5th LW

11-06-2010, 02:43 PM

I get the feeling a flash is coming. I don't really know why though.

Anyways, something bad is going to go down.

Fifthfiend

11-06-2010, 04:05 PM

Davesprite: Defend. has brought out some of the saddest fanart I've seen in recent memory. (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?32439-MSPA-Fan-Art-21-Old-Enough-to-Drink.-%28Ironically%29&p=4238466&viewfull=1#post4238466)

Yeah. Although TBH I figure it's at least like, 50/50 that Davesprite just wrecks those Giclopses, given that he was 1hking them before he went back in time and that's before you add in his crazy sprite-powers.

BitVyper

11-06-2010, 04:14 PM

The SBaHJ comic produced from photographing him at least foreshadows that he's going to live long enough to leave.

Dracorion

11-07-2010, 09:47 PM

Anyone else hoping that the next update is going to be a Flash of Davesprite kicking obscene amounts of ass?

Bard The 5th LW

11-07-2010, 09:50 PM

I think its gonna be a flash of Davesprite kicking ass, and Dave's dreamself dying for some reason.

BitVyper

11-07-2010, 10:53 PM

I think the delay is mostly 'cause Hussie's at a con this weekend, but then, he usually does some minimal updates while at cons, so who knows.

Bard The 5th LW

11-07-2010, 11:13 PM

Whelp.

There it is. Not a flash, but... well. Just look at it. Left quite a scratch.

Dracorion

11-07-2010, 11:16 PM

Goddammit Bro, way to fuck up.

Flarecobra

11-08-2010, 12:25 AM

Why do I suspect many not-good things are about to happon to the guardians?

Aldurin

11-08-2010, 10:21 AM

It's a shame Jack is missing half an arm, or he could dual-wield now.

Dracorion

11-08-2010, 10:30 AM

Why do I suspect many not-good things are about to happon to the guardians?

Probably.

Though I suspect they'll survive long enough for the kids to face the Denizens.

At least, I'm pretty sure Grandpa Harley will survive long enough to help defeat John's Denizen, bring the corpse back home, stuff it and put it somewhere it'll annoy Jade.

Flarecobra

11-08-2010, 10:36 AM

It's a shame Jack is missing half an arm, or he could dual-wield now.

You forgot: He's got prehensile tentacles. He could triple-weild if he wanted.

Aldurin

11-08-2010, 10:44 AM

I smell another flash coming soon. Davesprite is about to duke it out, Jade is about to enter, Rose is doing something somehow and whatever and Jack appears ready to go on another rampage.

There is gonna be a flash, and it will be glorious.

Dracorion

11-08-2010, 10:46 AM

Well, Davesprite vs Jack should be pretty awesome.

Krylo

11-08-2010, 10:51 AM

Would Jack even be able to attack Davesprite? He lost an arm and got a scar just because the prototyped sprites had similar injuries. Does that affect him if the sprites are injured after prototyping through the ring, or just at the point of prototyping?

Loyal

11-08-2010, 10:51 AM

I smell another flash coming soon.No, that's just the sulfur and steel.

@Krylo: Post-medium prototypings have no effect on the monsters or ringbearers. It's probably safe to assume that whatever happens to Davesprite won't affect Jack, or else the Black King in other sessions could be easily thwarted by having the players destroy their own sprites.

Geminex

11-08-2010, 10:53 AM

Wow. Either bro just fucked up hard, or he's got something planned. Not really sure which it is... we haven't seen much of bro yet, have we?

Krylo

11-08-2010, 10:54 AM

No, that's just the sulfur and steel.

@Krylo: Post-medium prototypings have no effect on the monsters or ringbearers. It's probably safe to assume that whatever happens to Davesprite won't affect Jack, or else the Black King in other sessions could be easily thwarted by having the players destroy their own sprites.

But it's the queen's ring.

Loyal

11-08-2010, 10:58 AM

Yes, and the prototyping affects both Queen and King, White and Black, equally.

Would it help if instead of "thwart the black king" I said "stop the reckoning"?

Donomni

11-08-2010, 02:02 PM

More related-to-this-thread-image-shenanigans!

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/311/c/8/trollspam3_by_zombiedoggy-d32cyv6.png

Wow. Either bro just fucked up hard, or he's got something planned. Not really sure which it is... we haven't seen much of bro yet, have we?

Too much Bro would lead people into thinking this is a TTGL comic. I mean, the universe can only handle so much Kamina-esque...ness.

I don't doubt he'll show up soon to do something wicked sweet, though.

Locke cole

11-08-2010, 04:16 PM

You're right. This isn't a TTGL comic.

this is. (http://captainosaka.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1e0heg)

BitVyper

11-09-2010, 09:54 PM

I just realised the running toilet gag is a reference to The Sims, because everybody deletes their Sims' toilets sooner or later, and if you say you don't, you're a liar.

Edit: Jack seems to gain from each Guardian. Dad got rid of his hat, which may be what finally got him to rebel, and now he's got Bro's sword and whatever that entails. Two doesn't make a pattern, but it's noticeable.

Also I was kinda thinking the individual worlds that each of the players has are starting to feel Magicant-y to me. Maybe beating the denizen, aside from releasing its grist horde, also means making the world your own, like how Ness absorbed Magicant after beating his nightmare. Dunno why I didn't think of it that way before.

Would Jack even be able to attack Davesprite? He lost an arm and got a scar just because the prototyped sprites had similar injuries. Does that affect him if the sprites are injured after prototyping through the ring, or just at the point of prototyping?

When you enter the medium, part of your prototyped kernelsprite goes up to Prospit, and the other goes down to Derse (presumably, these are what we see in those spires on Derse and Prospit). Those are the parts that actually prototype the kingdoms - kings, queens, monsters and all. The hatched kernelsprite that stays behind likely has no further affect on them.

Aldurin

11-09-2010, 11:13 PM

The hatched kernelsprite that stays behind likely has no further affect on them.

Yes it does!! It kicks their asses!!

Loyal

11-09-2010, 11:18 PM

I just realised the running toilet gag is a reference to The Sims, because everybody deletes their Sims' toilets sooner or later, and if you say you don't, you're a liar.I've never heard of such a thing. I've gotten rid of my bed before, but never a toilet.

Dad got rid of his hat, which may be what finally got him to rebel, Um. No it doesn't. Jack is always rebellious, always ambitious, and the only thing that ever keeps him in check is the lack of opportunity. Enter the robobunny. Opportunity secured.

Fifthfiend

11-10-2010, 12:12 AM

People on my shit list for posting in this thread leading me to believe that there has been an actual MSPA update I should be reading:

Loyal

How does it feel, Loyal?

How does it feel down there

on the list?

Loyal

11-10-2010, 12:21 AM

Seeing as I already have BitVyper and EE on that same list, I can only laugh.

BitVyper

11-10-2010, 12:22 AM

Jack is always rebellious, always ambitious

Yes, but as Hussie himself has stated, he doesn't always rebel. In this case, he rebelled very early in the game without any interaction with the players. The only outside influence he'd had by that point was Dad burning his hat. There's other things that could affect it, obviously, but someone acting in open defiance of the custom and basically doing whatever he wants is the sort of thing that'd get an archagent thinkin. For whatever reason, he pretty much chose death instead of putting on those clothes - it was only at the last second that he got the bunny, so it wasn't opportunity that got him to rebel here.

Anyway, even if it were just the hat being burned at all, the point is that his interactions with the Guardians have so far pretty much been conflicts that added up to a net gain for him.

Fifthfiend

11-10-2010, 12:30 AM

Seeing as I already have BitVyper and EE on that same list, I can only laugh.

Laugh all you want motherfucker.

You'll reap what you sow!

BitVyper

11-10-2010, 12:38 AM

Thing is, it's usually a safe bet that MSPA HAS updated.

Loyal

11-10-2010, 12:59 AM

There's other things that could affect it, obviously, but someone acting in open defiance of the custom and basically doing whatever he wants is the sort of thing that'd get an archagent thinkin.He'd already been in the habit of ditching the clothes at every opportunity he could (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002860), only putting them on when the Queen was breathing down his neck about it. Eventually the Queen got on his case at knifepoint, and instead of surrendering, He used the confiscated Robobunny. Dad Egbert has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Further, Troll-session Jack rebelled with no provocation whatsoever, actively seeking out Karkat to hatch his plan. It's probably safe to assume that Jack is a game construct specifically designed to help the players depose at least one of the Derse rulers before the final battle arrives. The trolls handled it correctly, Exiling the Black Queen and then getting Jack out of the way so he wouldn't take her place.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say vis a vis the "how Rebellious is Jack Noir" angle.

Yes, but as Hussie himself has stated, he doesn't always rebel.You'll have to show me where he says that. Because this doesn't look like "he doesn't always rebel". (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/550300327)

Laugh all you want motherfucker.

You'll reap what you sow!Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Token

11-10-2010, 03:33 PM

Wait. Does this mean that The Squiddles are the outer gods?

What the fuck, Hussie. What the fuck.

Grimpond

11-10-2010, 03:39 PM

WHat the fuck? What the FUCK!?!?!

Flarecobra

11-10-2010, 03:40 PM

... Ok, the ending to 2001 made more sense then....whatever the hell that was.

On a side note... does this mean Fefri and Jade have now met?

mauve

11-10-2010, 03:46 PM

What... the hell....?

That being said; Hussie you are brilliant and an amazing animator/storyteller, and I adore you.

In regards to Feferi: I assume she's dreaming this while she's sleeping in the pile of horns, post Derse-destruction (??), as seen in the flash game. Both she and Jade had the black dream-cloud instead of their Prospit/Derse icon dream clouds.

Geminex

11-10-2010, 03:49 PM

Okay, for a moment there I thought we were watching 'Sweet Jade and hella Feferi'.
Then the things appeared.

I had actually listened to the whole "let the squiddles sleep" track quite a few times. Didn't think it was too bad.

So very, very wrong.

Kim

11-10-2010, 03:51 PM

I guess that's the Demon, then?

Geminex

11-10-2010, 03:55 PM

Looks more like Feferi's lusus.

Besides, Lord English is the Demon, isn't he?

I really can't see that thing fitting into the Cairo Overcoat.

Kim

11-10-2010, 03:58 PM

I think it's the Demon because Jade's dream self is dead, and Karkat told them not to sleep after their dream selves died, and it was implied to be because of the Demon.

Marc v4.0

11-10-2010, 04:11 PM

It seems to me to be the Outer Gods, seeing as how there is more then one horrible creature, just because there's a big one at the end doesn't mean it has to be The Demon himself instead of just another horrible Outer God, and there is no way that thing would fit in such a nice coat.

MuMu

11-10-2010, 04:12 PM

I got that the Demon was the one causing the Scratch, killing the Dreamselves and destroying Derse/Prospit. After the Dreamselve is dead, sleeping again would take you somewhere else(That now was sort-of revealed to be the Outer Gods dimension).

It does looks like Feferi's Lusus, so ,unless she's gone bonkers, her huge psycho smile might be because they're communicating(She's the bridge between two species after all).

PCD

11-10-2010, 04:15 PM

I... brain... go... squiddle.

Also note that Jade was smiling quite happily throughout her dream as well, only freaked out by the sheer... something... of it once she'd woken up. We can't say Feferi isn't in the same level of "aaaaaaa"

Art of Hilt

11-10-2010, 04:58 PM

i finally understand
i finally understand why there are cultists so obsessed with finding a giant space tentacle god
i have tears in my mind's eye, of both horror and beauty
horrible
beautiful
eternal

your reaction to this update determines whether you're a derse (positive reaction) or prospit (shit yourself screaming) dreamer
derse represent

Loyal

11-10-2010, 05:14 PM

I hadn't thought Hussie would be able to tie a flash animation to that... noise.

Never have I so regretted being wrong before.

[edit]: Fullsize version of the largest horrorterror. (http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2469/97854448.jpg)

Dracorion

11-10-2010, 05:39 PM

what is this i dont even

Okay, no, seriously. That tunnel thing with the HORROTERRORS flashing by dragged on far too long. When it reached the end, I swear, I thought it was gonna be Andross that popped up.

Aldurin

11-10-2010, 05:57 PM

I will never fall asleep, ever. I will induce insomnia on myself just to avoid a blurry parody of that in my nightmares.

And Dave probably has the biggest WTF of anyone in the past present or future at this current moment.

And Rose's cultist book just causes it to make that much more sense.

. . . and is that the Beholder I saw in there?

I don't think I deserve either Derse or Prospit based on my reaction, I was all like whatthefuckthatwasbothepicandscaryandwhatthefuck

Bard The 5th LW

11-10-2010, 06:26 PM

I think my heart just stabbed itself.

Overcast

11-10-2010, 06:49 PM

Squiddles are not ordinary friends. Squiddles are not ordinary friends. Squiddles are not ordinary friends. Squiddles are not ordinary friends. Squiddles are not ordinary friends. Squiddles are not...

synkr0nized

11-10-2010, 06:51 PM

Hahah holy fuck. I was all "Hell yes sweet squid acid-trip dancing... with Feferi for some reason?! I guess that's cool... OH GOD DAVE WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?!!?!"

I enjoyed this update. I enjoy the random things I am guessing/pondering about now, too.

Flarecobra

11-10-2010, 07:35 PM

"My god... it's full of Tentacles."

Aldurin

11-10-2010, 08:39 PM

"My god... it's full of Tentacles."

that sounds more like japanese porn than awesome webcomic

POS Industries

11-10-2010, 11:14 PM

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/cochrane.gif

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/Riker.jpg

Loyal

11-10-2010, 11:55 PM

Thank christ something besides the flash is now the most recent update.

Seems Feferi is quite well after all. I hope.

Flarecobra

11-11-2010, 12:07 AM

Hope we get some explaination done.

Aldurin

11-11-2010, 01:09 AM

I like how Jade is showing a bit more personality than her usual vague self.

At least now she'll stay awake long enough to actually enter.

Viridis

11-11-2010, 01:37 AM

I am baffled and terrified and intrigued.

The plan is totally one of those Weird Time Shit ontological paradoxes, huh?

Locke cole

11-11-2010, 01:38 AM

I like how Jade is showing a bit more personality than her usual vague self.

At least now she'll stay awake long enough to actually enter.

3 pages later:

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/02657.gif

Kim

11-11-2010, 01:49 AM

It's kind of tragic that the narcoleptic is the one human stuck seeing a terrifying Cthulhu beast every time she falls asleep.

Archbio

11-11-2010, 02:25 AM

What was a surprise was how tolerable a chat log featuring two of the three most annoying characters in the whole comic turned out to be.

Speaking of which, maybe someone could tell Sollux to drop his typing quirk so I can actually read his text next time?

Loyal

11-11-2010, 09:05 AM

how can you have diiffiiculty readiing hii2 text iit ii2 the thiird ea2iiest quiirk in the world to read right behind behind kk and aa

Locke cole

11-11-2010, 09:41 AM

Y-EA)(! If anyone's quirk is )(ard to read, it would )(ave to be Feferi's. Especially w)(en s)(e uses a w)(ole lot of )(es and the w)(ole message becomes a )(ellish )(pgepodge of parent)(ecies.

Flarecobra

11-11-2010, 09:58 AM

Gamzee's is hard for me to read...

Guess it comes down to personal preferance then.

synkr0nized

11-11-2010, 10:34 AM

...they... just drop.... their....quirks?

Jade has super powers to get that to happen.

Dracorion

11-11-2010, 10:45 AM

Actually Eridan and Feferi both did it when they needed to have a serious conversation.

POS Industries

11-11-2010, 11:37 AM

Terezi did it briefly early on in Hivebent and Aradia did it when she started having her breakdown with Rose, as well.

Token

11-11-2010, 11:42 AM

As did Gamzee when Karkat or Equius called him on it. But it DoEsN'T FeEl rIgHt wHeRe hIs hEaRt's uP At, Y'KnOw?

BitVyper

11-11-2010, 12:26 PM

Terezi did it briefly early on in Hivebent

Really? I can't find that anywhere.

Flarecobra

11-11-2010, 12:34 PM

Neither can I...

synkr0nized

11-11-2010, 12:36 PM

Bluh

That's right.

Grimpond

11-11-2010, 02:58 PM

I find feferi's easy to read...

Aldurin

11-11-2010, 03:36 PM

I find feferi's easy to read...

But you haven't just woken up from a nightmare of Dark Eco Squiddles with no understanding of what is going on.

POS Industries

11-11-2010, 10:55 PM

Really? I can't find that anywhere.
It seems that I had her confused with Gamzee of all people. My mistake.

Token

11-12-2010, 02:21 AM

This update was the best thing. Just. Wow.

Flarecobra

11-12-2010, 02:30 AM

I've found something interesting.

At least for me, it was Shift-T, might differ some for you all.

http://sadpanda.us/images/274730-266N840.png

greed

11-12-2010, 02:37 AM

Karkat is the best troll. He has all the best. All of it.

Seriously that might have been the best non-flash update yet.

Fifthfiend

11-12-2010, 02:56 AM

Karkat is the best troll.

.

EDIT: I'm torn between this title and "JUST THE DUMBEST FUCKERS"

synkr0nized

11-12-2010, 03:06 AM

home skillet has issues

PCD

11-12-2010, 03:28 AM

Augh I just want to hug Jade =( Karkat's miserable selfloathing, hilarious and pathetic as it is, is just so not what she needs right now.

Fifthfiend

11-12-2010, 03:30 AM

Yeah i love how post-epiphany/emotional breakdown Karkat still basically only succeeds in pissing Jade off more and making everything worse.

EDIT: It's like Karkat has the total opposite of self-awareness, where he flawlessly percieves what the fuck is up with everyone ever except himself right at whatever current point in time at which he is existing.

Doc ock rokc

11-12-2010, 04:31 AM

EDIT: It's like Karkat has the total opposite of self-awareness, where he flawlessly percieves what the fuck is up with everyone ever except himself right at whatever current point in time at which he is existing.

Actually I think its quite a brilliant almost true statement, because People are like that I could dissect a friend or another person I know quite easily and be able to predict them or analyze them...but I personally can't do it myself unless I think of myself as a different person...Or think of my past self with hindsight

Aldurin

11-12-2010, 10:45 AM

The memo pic of rage Jade versus idiot karkat x2 is the best thing ever. And the fact that karkat is actually developing feelings for Jade is too much character development to handle.

A Zarkin' Frood

11-12-2010, 11:24 AM

I loved that memo. It had so many great moments. Karkat giving his past and future selves shit never gets old, throwing Jade into the mix turned it into gold.

Donomni

11-12-2010, 01:46 PM

Karkat was digging his own grave, but now I'm certain he's heading for China.

Also semi-rhetorically, where's Bec? I would be surprised if we didn't see him soon.

Loyal

11-12-2010, 02:15 PM

How do you re-ban someone?

Dracorion

11-12-2010, 02:18 PM

I imagine it's like an extended ban.

Fifthfiend

11-12-2010, 02:28 PM

Actually I think its quite a brilliant almost true statement, because People are like that I could dissect a friend or another person I know quite easily and be able to predict them or analyze them...but I personally can't do it myself unless I think of myself as a different person...Or think of my past self with hindsight

It's great because he actually lapses right back into the same shit IE calling Jade a "pill" and being all dismissive and shit towards her even as he's pointing out to his past self how fucked up it is to act like that.

Locke cole

11-12-2010, 02:32 PM

Dave got banned harder.

Who knows what that means, since a regular ban appears to be permanent unless you're the one who banned yourself.

mauve

11-12-2010, 02:34 PM

Jade being unhappy is disturbing. Granted, I can see why she's unhappy given the HORRIBLE SQUID NIGHTMARE being followed by a conversation with a guy who's been harassing her online her entire life, but still-- weird seeing Jade not acting chipper.

And this memo makes me feel sorry for poor Karkat. I never really did before now.

Archbio

11-12-2010, 03:18 PM

It's great because he actually lapses right back into the same shit IE calling Jade a "pill" and being all dismissive and shit towards her even as he's pointing out to his past self how fucked up it is to act like that.

It seems as though that's partly because he's coming to the realization that current Jade is to future Jade what past Karkat is to current Karkat.

Art of Hilt

11-12-2010, 03:56 PM

man i seriously loved this memo
not just because of the content, which is fantastic, but because you can tell that this is the first of several Jade/Karkat pesterlogs to come
everything about it said "Hey, we've been ignoring Jade for four acts now. That era is over"
the future is looking very, very nice

Dracorion

11-12-2010, 06:08 PM

Jade removing her reminders?

Jesus Christ those HORROTERRORS really fucked her up didn't they?

MuMu

11-12-2010, 07:03 PM

I wonder how she will cope with the narcolepsy. Build something to shock her every time she doozes off, the lack of sleep might be what makes Dave call her "Crazier" in the future.

Fifthfiend

11-12-2010, 07:22 PM

Or going to sleep and hanging out with Squiddiethulu.

That'll up your crazy-quotient right enough.

Loyal

11-12-2010, 07:25 PM

the lack of sleep might be what makes Dave call her "Crazier" in the future.I really don't know why people keep attaching special significance to this line.

Dracorion

11-12-2010, 07:35 PM

Yeah, I think it's entirely possible Jade might've cracked a little when Rose and Dave told her John got himself killed and all her future-visions were bullshit.

Aldurin

11-12-2010, 09:58 PM

Geez, Jade. At least know when to build suspense. There's only one person left to server for her.

Wigmund

11-12-2010, 10:08 PM

Happy Jade makes me happy.

BitVyper

11-12-2010, 10:14 PM

Wonder how enormous Jade's meteor will be.

Flarecobra

11-12-2010, 10:19 PM

HUGE. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004556)

We've seen it already. Looks to be almost as big, if not bigger, then the Moon.

BitVyper

11-12-2010, 10:21 PM

Right, I just remembered that after I posted.

Locke cole

11-12-2010, 10:25 PM

Perhaps Jade is the Majora's Mask.
...Naw, that's still Dave.

Viridis

11-12-2010, 11:11 PM

As the official forum put it: Jade is happy, Balance is restored.

Bard The 5th LW

11-12-2010, 11:20 PM

HUGE. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004556)

We've seen it already. Looks to be almost as big, if not bigger, then the Moon.

TG: like the size of texas
TG: or just rhode island
TG: theyre always throwing around these geographical comparisons to give us a sense of scale like it really means anything to us
TG: but its like it doesnt matter its always just like: WOW THATS PRETTY FUCKING BIG
TG: like mr president theres a meteor coming sir. oh yeah, how big is it? its the size of texas sir
TG: OH SHIT
TG: or, how big is it? its the size of new york city sir
TG: OH SHIT
TG: sir im afraid the comet is the size of your moms dick
TG: OH SNAP
TG: sir are you familiar with jupiter
TG: you mean like the planet?
TG: yeah
TG: well its that big sir
TG: hmm that sounds pretty big
TG: i have a question
TG: is it jupiter?
TG: yes sir, earth is literally under seige by planet fucking jupiter
TG: OH SHIT
TG: anyway later

BitVyper

11-12-2010, 11:32 PM

I'm starting to think that this all comes down to Bilious Slick's ultimate design including a satanic figure in the infinite multiverse. Given the wonky time shit dealing with multiple universes, the fact that he exists at all can potentially mean he exists in every universe (or at least everyone within an alpha timeline) even if he is both born and destroyed within the span of this story. Pretty much what I was thinking about Lord English before, but I think this makes a bit more sense of it. With these two sessions, assuming Lord English is brought to an end within the story, Slick effectively causes the beginning and ending of his antithetical character at the same point, which seems to me like the sort of elegance God would use.

Edit: Of course it probably all comes down to Bilious Slick's ultimate design no matter WHAT happens, so this isn't exactly a revelation.

Aldurin

11-13-2010, 11:07 AM

FOCUS JOHN, NO MORE EATING!!

MuMu

11-13-2010, 07:16 PM

To be fair, having Harlequins is far less weird than stuffing your family's dead members and leave them hanging in the living room.

Geminex

11-13-2010, 07:30 PM

Hmmm... some of those harlequins were quite disconcerting.

Though I hope we all agree that having lil' cal in your house is pretty much the weirdest thing ever?

Loyal

11-13-2010, 07:46 PM

Joooooooohn, why do you hate Jade's agriculture? And why would you be so crass as to hate it in front of her??

Flarecobra

11-13-2010, 08:25 PM

And here I half-expected something to land on Jade's head.

And wasn't it John who got Jade started on growing things?

Art of Hilt

11-14-2010, 01:20 AM

why are cloning machines standard equipment
why are cloning machines standard equipment

Marc v4.0

11-14-2010, 01:45 AM

SCIENCE!

BitVyper

11-14-2010, 07:50 AM

why are cloning machines standard equipment
why are cloning machines standard equipment

Probably because they had to get into the Veil somehow. At least, that's what I'm thinking.

Loyal

11-14-2010, 12:15 PM

I'm wondering what they're supposed to do with the ectobiology equipment here and now.

[edit]
http://www.adorabloodthirsty.net/images/ectobiologygoeswitheverything.gif

Donomni

11-14-2010, 01:03 PM

Oh, so there's Bec.

Jade's day/night keeps getting worse, huh?

Geminex

11-14-2010, 07:16 PM

it is true, it is a fact from an alien.

This is probably one of the best John/Jade chatlogs yet. Actually kind of a pity that that particular ship is out of the question.

Flarecobra

11-14-2010, 08:18 PM

And a Mr. Shit is about to meet Mr. Fan.

Specterbane

11-14-2010, 10:07 PM

And a Mr. Shit is about to meet Mr. Fan.

Now see I was under the impression that Mr.s Shit and Fan had met some time ago (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003840) and were still enjoying tea and conversation. But who knows I'm sure this could be a whole family affair going on with Cousins and Aunts and everyone.

Flarecobra

11-14-2010, 11:16 PM

No, that was them exchanging E-mail addresses.

Aldurin

11-14-2010, 11:27 PM

The cloning pad is probably the Homestuck equivalent of the vita-chamber, so if you're incompetent enough to die twice then you still get more tries.

They could have used that earlier. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003540)

Loyal

11-14-2010, 11:32 PM

I doubt it. It seems that the only Continues you get from SBurb, dreamselves excluded, are Title of Time shenanigans.

......Hm... we know what happens to people who sleep when their dreamselves die. What happens when people whose real-world selves are replaced by their dreamselves go to sleep?

Locke cole

11-14-2010, 11:42 PM

We'd have to ask Vriska, I suppose.

Flarecobra

11-14-2010, 11:42 PM

Or Sollex.

Bard The 5th LW

11-14-2010, 11:50 PM

......Hm... we know what happens to people who sleep when their dreamselves die. What happens when people whose real-world selves are replaced by their dreamselves go to sleep?

I assume it would be the same. We don't see Vriska growing extra arms or flying around, so I think that when you switch to your dreamself permanently you lose all of your dream based abilities and you are more or less the exact same as before.

Flarecobra

11-15-2010, 01:44 AM

And now, Problem Sleuth Vol.2 is released.... along with a SBAHJ shirt.

Marc v4.0

11-15-2010, 02:07 AM

...Oh damn I see where this is going

greed

11-15-2010, 06:58 AM

Oh shit. Holy shit. Please don't be a fake out Hussie.

Viridis

11-15-2010, 08:46 AM

...Oh damn I see where this is goingIf you saw this coming you are a liar.

I assumed he was gonna visit/murder the denizen.

Marc v4.0

11-15-2010, 09:17 AM

Yeah, that is what I thought too

Overcast

11-15-2010, 09:36 AM

I thought he was going to wake the creep up. Then...then it got REAL.

Specterbane

11-15-2010, 10:26 AM

No, that was them exchanging E-mail addresses.

Ok, you're right. At the next prototypeing is when shit will get real up in this bitch for Bro.

Aldurin

11-15-2010, 10:30 AM

At least this shows that super-jack is still jack. And the fact that Jack is the only person who appears capable of tracking Bro down is an amazing feat in itself.

Loyal

11-15-2010, 06:23 PM

I wonder if anyone still thinks Bec will ever be sufficiently doomed for prototyping.

Geminex

11-15-2010, 06:26 PM

I don't, honestly. Main-timeline bec will never be.
Alternate(doomed)-timeline bec is doomed be definition, of course, so that leaves somethign of an opening.

Still don't necessarily think that Jack's gonna get guardian powers or become lord english, though.

Loyal

11-15-2010, 06:49 PM

The bit about "Jack = Lord English" also bothers me.

What in gods name could be prototyped to make Jack fit that CAIRO OVERCOAT? (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003153)

BitVyper

11-15-2010, 07:04 PM

Like I said earlier: The Green Sun thing, and the suggestion by Aradia that fucking with it is going to cause problems suggests an alternate path to creating what will become Lord English (if that's what is going to end up happening) that doesn't involve prototyping Bec.

Only way I've ever seen Bec getting prototyped is if it were Bec's plan all along. Though that might not become clear until later if it happens.

I DO think Bec is running his own scheme in all this.

POS Industries

11-15-2010, 07:06 PM

Can't say I'm particularly sold on the "Jack == Lord English" hypothesis myself but I'm not willing to rule it out just yet.

I wonder if anyone still thinks Bec will ever be sufficiently doomed for prototyping.
You mean the Bec whose source of power Rose is hunting down and trying to destroy or the Bec that just teleported outside Jade's house while a moon-sized meteor barrels toward their location?

Because they're both the same Bec.

Alternate(doomed)-timeline bec is doomed be definition, of course, so that leaves somethign of an opening.
What alternate timeline Bec?

BitVyper

11-15-2010, 07:24 PM

Is Fefferi chubby?

You can see her in several existing panels. You tell me.

are any of the characters fat/chubby? i keep reading shit like that

This is a visual story.

YOU CAN SEE THE FUCKING CHARACTERS.

Hey Andrew, why do you keep drawing the characters as noodle people when they're so chubby?

Fat people take longer to draw because there is more of them to draw.

I do disservice to their true carriage in order to save time.

Hee hee hee

Marc v4.0

11-15-2010, 07:29 PM

wut

Flarecobra

11-15-2010, 09:28 PM

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2124/81ab02b925159e7886a041f.jpg

There are idiots... then there's internet idiots.

Art of Hilt

11-15-2010, 10:49 PM

If we gonna talk about Formspring questions then there really is no contest

Hey Im a massive fan of your stories/comics Its not that i don't understand the ending of Homestuck its more I would like to know the reason why you ended it with jade on the computer. like what was the "lesson" you wanted to show the readers

I really...

can't...

tell...

If this is a joke. I'm trying, but I can't.

I am sorry.

Loyal

11-16-2010, 12:54 AM

I just thought you guys should read this. (http://archiveofourown.org/works/129524)

It's pretty fantastic.

BitVyper

11-16-2010, 01:52 AM

EB: i guess we could just put nothing in and see what happens.

oh god...

EB: maybe i will ask rose

welp

Flarecobra

11-16-2010, 01:55 AM

That'd be the smart thing to do.

In theory anyway.

Viridis

11-16-2010, 02:00 AM

That'd be the smart thing to do.

In theory anyway.Didn't someone say pre-medium prototyping was necessary for success? I can't remember.

Marc v4.0

11-16-2010, 02:16 AM

I knew John would be the one to think of doing that

BitVyper

11-16-2010, 02:21 AM

Didn't someone say pre-medium prototyping was necessary for success? I can't remember.

It is necessary for Skaia to take its final form from which it can grow into a new universe. However, Rose at least, is convinced this will not happen, and therefore has gotten into her break-the-game thing.

Fifthfiend

11-16-2010, 06:56 AM

Countdown to Some Dumb Shit That Screws The Kids Over Somehow: begun!

...it makes it so much worse that he's dragging this out under the pretext of them trying to do sometihng reasonable.

Just fucking throw Bec into the thing and create your insanely OP word-devourer foe and like, get it the hell over with already.

Marc v4.0

11-16-2010, 07:46 AM

THROW THE METEOR INTO IT

At least try

Specterbane

11-16-2010, 08:37 AM

Dracorion

11-16-2010, 09:03 AM

Or it could be, y'know.

Any of the rest of the shit in Jade's house.

Just sayin'.

Viridis

11-16-2010, 09:36 AM

Well it seems like they've decided on Grandpa for the second prototyping, so that leave four readily available options (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004777) for the first. Sir Leisure-Suit McKnight, Mummy Napoleon, some kind of Reindeer thing...and maybe Weird Al Yankovic, it's hard to tell from just the back of the head.

I'm hoping for Sir Leisure-Suit, or something totally outside from the room. As if there wasn't a plethora of things to chose from in the whole house.
It's neat that Grandpa has ogres and things as hunting trophies. Looking back, they've been there since the room was first shown, but only partially visible.

Also, stuff like this (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002753) and this (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002757) exist just to give more prototyping options, so don't assume it'll be one of the guys by the fireplace.

MuMu

11-16-2010, 09:53 AM

Or it could be, y'know.

Any of the rest of the shit in Jade's house.

Just sayin'.

GrandJadepa

It's going to be terrifying

A Zarkin' Frood

11-16-2010, 09:57 AM

Sounds like a job for the suggestion box. Unless not. If Hussie already has is own plans, that is.

Anyway, I hope the suggestion box gets opened when the the four kids meet in the same room for the first time so I can suggest "Pose as a shit 'cause the team just got real"

Boy, do I feel witty.

Specterbane

11-16-2010, 10:06 AM

Ok, I guess I could see this (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002757)being used. It unblocks the transporter even though Jade hates it, but the other stuff isn't drawn and I don't think he's used anything that wasn't drawn by him for prototyping as of yet has he?

Dracorion

11-16-2010, 10:18 AM

I dunno, I think it might be cheating to prototype a Denizen before it's even killed.

Or at all.

Aldurin

11-16-2010, 10:44 AM

...and maybe Weird Al Yankovic

I vote for this.

Viridis

11-16-2010, 10:52 AM

...and maybe Weird Al YankovicI vote for this.
Agreed. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zgjQ4doyAk)

Alternatively, this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XykykQ6FaI&feature=related)

Geminex

11-16-2010, 11:04 AM

What alternate timeline Bec?
Well, there's at least one, alternate (doomed) timeline, in which John dies, the kids fail etc...

Rules are that things originating from doomed timelines are doomed by definition. They will be killed/destroyed/anihilated.

We also know that it's possible to skip between timelines. Dave did it through weird time shit, Aradia did it god-knows how. I'm sure alternate-timeline Bec could do it.
And since he'd be originating from a doomed timeline... he'd be doomed.

If he does get prototyped, I'm pretty sure this is the way it's gonna happen. Kinda hard to doom an omnipotent being otherwise. I don't think that even the green sun's gonna suffice.

Flarecobra

11-16-2010, 11:25 AM

Agreed. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zgjQ4doyAk)

Alternatively, this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XykykQ6FaI&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm9dE9B2DhI&feature=related

Better version. :P

POS Industries

11-16-2010, 12:33 PM

Well, there's at least one, alternate (doomed) timeline, in which John dies, the kids fail etc...

Rules are that things originating from doomed timelines are doomed by definition. They will be killed/destroyed/anihilated.

We also know that it's possible to skip between timelines. Dave did it through weird time shit, Aradia did it god-knows how. I'm sure alternate-timeline Bec could do it.
And since he'd be originating from a doomed timeline... he'd be doomed.

If he does get prototyped, I'm pretty sure this is the way it's gonna happen. Kinda hard to doom an omnipotent being otherwise. I don't think that even the green sun's gonna suffice.
The problem is that timeline no longer exists, and Bec wasn't in the medium during it anyway. Dave and Aradia could only time travel within the medium, and couldn't go to any point in which they weren't already in the game. There's pretty much no evidence to support your idea.

Also, "but he's got so many powers" isn't really an argument against him getting prototyped so much as it is the exact reason why he's going to be prototyped for plot purposes.

Geminex

11-16-2010, 01:40 PM

Huh. Didn't we have a discussion like this only a while ago? Only we were on opposite sides?

It's just an idea. It's me saying 'huh, this could happen'. Sure, I don't have much evidence, but I'm pointing out that it's possible, not claiming that it's likely. And I think it is possible. It doesn't really make sense for a timeline to 'no longer exist'. An alternate timeline is just a manifestation of the fact that things could have gone differently. The one Davesprite came from ceased to exist, but there's got to be others. Some have come into being, more will come into being. They all 'exist' for a given value of existence, in that they could have happened. That's all that the davesprite timeline was as well, something that could have happened, but, ultimately, didn't.

It's possible that Bec could enter the medium as well. We've recieved little signals that he can't. All the other guardians can, why should the planet's guardian be any different?

Again, I'm just pointing out possibilities, not saying that it's likely.

Also, "but he's got so many powers" isn't really an argument against him getting prototyped so much as it is the exact reason why he's going to be prototyped for plot purposes.
Huh. You can't know that. You're saying that it would fit plot purposes for bec to be protoyped. But you can't really be certain about the nature of said plot. At best, you can deduce it from in-story evidence. And my in-story evidence is that, well, Bec is allmighty, to be prototyped, he'd have to be doomed. How do you doom an allmighty being?