Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Dracorion]

Oh, shit, Davesprite.

Ooooohhhh, shiiiit, Davesprite.

[Aldurin]

I believe Jade is gonna throw her dead self in pre-medium, when she enters the prototyping will take effect on everything vulnerable to it, thus causing Jack to be caught off guard and then Davesprite and Bro can "sit back" while Cal beats the shit out of him.

Whatever they did to fuck up the timeline probably has to do with the green sun thing, which will probably come into effect soon.

[Overcast]

And here I thought after Bro sliced that bitch up that his puppet thing truly was ironic. Then again I don't know how he got it again...dammit what has that guy been doing all this time anyway?

[Aldurin]

And here I thought after Bro sliced that bitch up that his puppet thing truly was ironic. Then again I don't know how he got it again...dammit what has that guy been doing all this time anyway?

Learning how to sew, which happens to be his only weakness.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Bro tagteam beatdown.

COMMENCE!

[POS Industries]

Huh. Didn't we have a discussion like this only a while ago? Only we were on opposite sides?

It's just an idea. It's me saying 'huh, this could happen'. Sure, I don't have much evidence, but I'm pointing out that it's possible, not claiming that it's likely. And I think it is possible. It doesn't really make sense for a timeline to 'no longer exist'. An alternate timeline is just a manifestation of the fact that things could have gone differently. The one Davesprite came from ceased to exist, but there's got to be others. Some have come into being, more will come into being. They all 'exist' for a given value of existence, in that they could have happened. That's all that the davesprite timeline was as well, something that could have happened, but, ultimately, didn't.
The difference is that I've always had stuff to back up my theory (and it's not even my theory!) while you've just got unsubstantiated speculation, much of which is contradictory to the plot itself.

It's possible that Bec could enter the medium as well. We've recieved little signals that he can't. All the other guardians can, why should the planet's guardian be any different?
With the exception of Grandpa, all the other guardians entered the medium along with the kids. How Grandpa did it, we don't know for certain, but it's been alluded that his access to technology from the game has allowed him to do so.

We've received little signal that Bec can't enter the medium on his own, but we've received no signals that he can.

Huh. You can't know that. You're saying that it would fit plot purposes for bec to be protoyped. But you can't really be certain about the nature of said plot. At best, you can deduce it from in-story evidence. And my in-story evidence is that, well, Bec is allmighty, to be prototyped, he'd have to be doomed. How do you doom an allmighty being?
Well, if every clue so far has pointed directly to the doom of the almighty being, it stands to reason that some element in the plot dooms said almighty being. The most probable one right now is Rose fucking with the Green Sun, which we know is tied to Bec somehow, and Aradia has flat out stated that said fucking with the Green Sun is what screws over both their universes, that Rose does it, and there's no way to stop it from happening. We also know that Jade does something that achieves the same end.

If there is apparently some catastrophic incident that leads to all existence being fucked over and we know that Rose, Jade, and Bec are involved, the dots aren't exactly hard to connect.

[BitVyper]

Bec was in the Medium blocking dream Jade's path as I recall (while at the same time blocking robo-Jade).

Edit: If none of the favourites happen, I'm gonna throw my outside bet on the knight getting prototyped.

[Overcast]

This speculation is getting in the way of people enjoying the filler. If I could I'd shoot it with two kinds of guns right where it hurts. Anywhere.

[BitVyper]

This speculation is getting in the way of people enjoying the filler. If I could I'd shoot it with two kinds of guns right where it hurts. Anywhere.

These comments seem to foreshadow Overcast's eventual psychotic break. I'm guessing this is what will cause his family to fall apart, and his son to become the hardened man we know from the future.

[Art of Hilt]

this is the most beautiful fucking family reunion i've ever seen

the striders are all going to fucking die ;_;

[POS Industries]

Bec was in the Medium blocking dream Jade's path as I recall (while at the same time blocking robo-Jade).
I can't really say for sure but I don't think that was actually Bec so much as Jade's perception of Bec via her connection to the dreambot. Like how Jade can type on her dream computer all day but it's not really the computer that's connected to the internet that she's using to chat with John or Dave or toss weird things into seizure kernels at Dave's apartment. It's just a manifestation of the sensory information she's getting through the robot that's physically interacting with everything in the real world.

But I'll accept that this does up the relative amounts of evidence in favor and against Bec's ability to freely enter the medium as equally insignificant.

This speculation is getting in the way of people enjoying the filler. If I could I'd shoot it with two kinds of guns right where it hurts. Anywhere.
Agreed.

I get the feeling we're building up to one badass flash in the very near future.

[Archbio]

When guns aren't involved, emphatically skilled heroes outnumbering a single villain like that can't possibly end well.

[POS Industries]

...I'm starting to fear we're hitting too much buildup.

I swear to gog if Davesprite starts Round 4...

[BitVyper]

I love that Bro is dual wielding Cal/Sword.

[Fifthfiend]

emphatically skilled heroes outnumbering a single villain like that can't possibly end well.

Oh Jesus Christ, I know.

Jack is so unbelievably trapped, overpowered, and outgunned right now, there is no way davesprite and Bro are getting out of there alive.

[Archbio]

Bro is also Dave's old Master for all intents and purposes.

Extra-doomed.

[Fifthfiend]

Bro is also Dave's old Master for all intents and purposes.

Extra-doomed.

He could only be more doomed if Dave(notsprite) were there so that he could look on in horror as he watched his brother/father/master fall.

[Dracorion]

Typheus minion?

Well shit, why am I not surprised?

[Aldurin]

It's gonna rear up and try to eat the cursor when he tries to grab it.

[Locke cole]

Roughly what I was thinking.

[Geminex]

Heh, probably. Either that, or an accidental prototyping... Though probably not the latter.

POS: Yeah, it's speculation. That's all I was doing. Speculating. I didn't say it was likely, I pointed out that it was possible. Hence my lack of "evidence". I'm sure I mentioned that.
Anyway, enough of that.

Though I'd be interested, what points to the doom of the ultimate being, other than Rose's quest? Did I miss something?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just remembered this and I felt like sharing.

Pose as a team. (http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/289/f/1/trolls__pose_as_a_team_by_karkat_vantas-d30v7mf.png)

[Aldurin]

Hussie is messing with us and all of our prototyping theories, big time.

[Specterbane]

Hussie is messing with us and all of our prototyping theories, big time.

I know! It wasn't even Weird Al, just some blue haired woman doll. I do like the leisure suit reindeer though prospect far more now.

[BitVyper]

Bet Typheus himself is one of the Denizens.

[Marc v4.0]

Bet Typheus himself is one of the Denizens.

I thought that had been established through connections made based on the browsers they use, their associations with the classical elements, and the fact that we already know Dave's browser does tie directly to his Denizen.

Typheus, Cetus, Hephaestus, and Echidna

Wind, Water, Fire, and Earth

[BitVyper]

Entirely possible! I forgot about the browsers, to be honest.

and Echidna

ECHIDNA!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8h2Xyis9M)

[Aldurin]

ECHIDNA!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8h2Xyis9M)

I am sorry, but Jade is gonna die if that's the denizen, especially if he's guarding the Master Emerald next to the legendary rifle for Jade.

[Loyal]

ECHIDNA!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8h2Xyis9M)

Echidna. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna_%28mythology%29)

[Kerensky287]

Echidna. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna_%28mythology%29)

Echidna!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVPSn08sxDw)

[Marc v4.0]

god you people

[BitVyper]

All of the above! Knuckles riding a giant snake woman!

[Marc v4.0]

and now for the awkward conversation

[Flarecobra]

.... *Refrains from commenting on Bitvyper's comment*

[BitVyper]

and now for the awkward conversation

.... *Refrains from commenting on Bitvyper's comment*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/BitVyper/keikaku.jpg

[POS Industries]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/comeatmebro.gif

[Viridis]

That... wow. I love that Bro is still so deep in his ironic puppet madness as to not take Jack seriously at all. Or maybe he's throwing him off his guard. I dunno.

[Archbio]

It's ironic puppet ninjaness.

All mindgames and distraction.

[POS Industries]

One idea I've heard is that Bro actually has two strife specibi: swordkind and puppetkind, and he's mastered both. As effective as he is with the former, all his swords are cheap pieces of shit. Cal, on the other hand, is the ultimate puppet. A puppet borne of dreams.

This is Bro going all out.

[Wigmund]

I have a feeling this is not gonna end well for Bro when Jack ends up gaining Jade's prototype mid-fight.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Yeah, that's a thought I had too.
Depends on the prototyping. Although I predict catastrophic results for Bro as well.

[BitVyper]

New theory: Lord English is Lil Cal.

[Specterbane]

I have a feeling this is not gonna end well for Bro when Jack ends up gaining Jade's prototype mid-fight.

You're not just now figuring that out right?

But now I want to see Lil' Cal in that huge robe from before. That would be amazing.

Edit: You know the one. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003153)

[Locke cole]

I have a feeling this is not gonna end well for Bro when Jack ends up gaining Jade's prototype mid-fight.

Oh good lord.

I hadn't even considered that.

[Loyal]

Oh good lord.

I hadn't even considered that.It's been pretty much all anyone can talk about for the last week or so on the MSPA forums. I think this page (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004789) was made specifically to screw with them.

[Marc v4.0]

it is what we've been talking about on and off as well, how could you not consider it?

[Overcast]

I would remind you of his avatar.

[Locke cole]

Also I tend to frequent a different forum.

So I've mainly been talking about stuff like a Tarot deck using the characters, and about what the sprite'll be prototyped with, without mentioning Jack.

[Wigmund]

You're not just now figuring that out right?

But now I want to see Lil' Cal in that huge robe from before. That would be amazing.

Edit: You know the one. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003153)

I kinda figured it before, but watching Bro/Cal stomp on Jack right now just means that post-change Jack is gonna fuck them up real good.

Also, I drew a fanart pic of Cal as English a couple of months ago. But I can't remember which Fanart Thread on the MSPA forums it was in.
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af38/lwyman/Random%20crap/LordCalEnglish.jpg

[Wigmund]

Doubling posting because there's an update.

LIL CAL IS A REDEAD!

[MuMu]

Oh, the awful, awful fanart that'll come out of this...

[BitVyper]

Davesprite might be there specifically to save Bro. Odds are he knows Jack is alive in the future from conversations with Terezi and the simple fact that the session is still running in the future. Obviously he didn't know Bro would be facing off with Jack when he found him, but he may already be planning a retreat.

Of course, Bro could also wind up dead from saving Davesprite And there's a good chance they're both just gon get killed.

[Locke cole]

...yup. It's official.

Jack is so outmatched, so overpowered, so trapped... that there is absolutely no chance in Hell that he isn't about to transform from the next prototyping and wipe the floor with all three of his opponents in a few moments.

It's been said before, but now it's pretty much a certainty.

edit:

New pages huh. Some sort of crazy apocalypse rays, like he used on Prospit?

[Aldurin]

Oh right, Jack can channel cherry-flavored lightning. I forgot about that completely, but then it might have been because Jack went sword-only against Bro the first time.

[Specterbane]

Wait, I know John's a bit preoccupied with Jade, but don't you think he'd notice cherry flavored Apocalypse rays? I'm curious to see if he'll do anything about all this.

But the real question in this is if the author would kill characters off in this. I mean the set up is there in that neither of them seem to be required for the story to go on, but that's a hell of a step.

[Aldurin]

Mom and Dad are gonna come and throw the robo-bunny at Jack. That's my new theory.

[Flarecobra]

Worldwide firestorm anyone?

[Marc v4.0]

Am I the only one that didn't think Jack was out-matched etc etc? I thought it was made rather clear that Bro and Davesprite were in trouble given what Jack has already done.

[BitVyper]

Guess we're about to find out if that's really oil or not.

[Flarecobra]

Seeing as it's a waterfall of fire now... yeah, it's oil.

Though they are REALLY running with how the Queen is the most powerful piece in Chess... especally with the Death Star-level of destructive power in the ring.

[Viridis]

OCEAN OF FIRE. Probably. An oil ocean was a really, really terrible idea. The place is gonna look like the Land of Heat and Clockwork soon.

[POS Industries]

So the obvious solution is to cool down LOHAC to balance it back out.

[McTahr]

Jack apparently outsources to BP.

[Specterbane]

Seeing as it's a waterfall of fire now... yeah, it's oil.

Though they are REALLY running with how the Queen is the most powerful piece in Chess... especally with the Death Star-level of destructive power in the ring.

Well he's more than a King and a Queen remember (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003830)? So it's more like he can move to any spot on the board at any time and take the peice, but that doesn't mean even just some pawn couldn't take him were Jack to move like an idiot.

Also, this is the Land of Wind and Shade. So given that wind is supposed to feed air to fire this could be really bad, but it could also be just fine (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003387).

[Loyal]

Man, Typheus is gonna be pissed.

[Flarecobra]

Well he's more than a King and a Queen remember (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003830)? So it's more like he can move to any spot on the board at any time and take the peice, but that doesn't mean even just some pawn couldn't take him were Jack to move like an idiot.

Also, this is the Land of Wind and Shade. So given that wind is supposed to feed air to fire this could be really bad, but it could also be just fine (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003387).


He did the same thing before he was given the White King's power.

[Locke cole]

Man, Typheus is gonna be pissed.

Provided Typheus is th ename of the Slumbering One... that assumes that this will wake him.

[Loyal]

Typheus is the Denizen of LOWAS. There's a fair bit of conclusive stuff pointing to this fact, most significantly the names of each kid's internet browser.

Hephaestus was miffed about getting his LEGENDARY PIECE OF SHIT broken and stolen, and instantly sent a bunch of Giclopses to take it back. Setting LOWAS aflame is gonna put Typheus into a homicidal rage.

[Locke cole]

Well, I'm just saying we don't entirely know Typheus's personality. He certainly has messed with the natural order of LOWAS a lot, and he's apparently an extremely heavy sleeper.

Granted, setting all the oil oceans aflame would probably be enough to wake him.

[Donomni]

A wild FANART appears!

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/322/4/a/i_wanna_be__uh__the_very_best__by_fauxmonstur-d334rh4.gif

[Aldurin]

Everyone wants to relandscape a world nowadays. First Jack, then Lord English, then Rose, then Jack again.

It's nuts.

[Token]

Oh shit Rose what are you doing.

[Flarecobra]

Watching, it looks like.

[Aldurin]

Rose: Shake orb like a snowglobe.

[Menarker]

^^ hehe

Rose: Play a rousing game of bowling with the orb... or baseball!

[Specterbane]

Clearly a ball like that should be used in Bocce. Or if John's getting involved somehow, Croquet.

[Locke cole]

Watching, it looks like.

Your friend who liked magic just held the orb and watched.

It would always make everyone uncomfortable whenever she just would just hold the orb.

And watch.

[Arhra]

OK guys, here's the plan:

Prototype Jack with something that's extremely flammable.

[Geminex]

BLUH BLUH CRYPTIC BITCH

Though honestly, when I read the 'It makes a good light for reading, actually' line, I thought it was gonna be much worse.

[Overcast]

Well I'm sure she knows there were plenty of wrong answers she could give him that would come from her typically far superior cognitive function. Though I can bet that their whole existence hinges on John being a complete moron, because that is what a leader has to be. The only real answer she could give was that he can't, not prototype. Then let him do what he always does, act on his oddly lucky and simultaneously unlucky instincts.

[Aldurin]

They'll probably prototype dead dream Jade, that room full of random crap is a distraction.

[BitVyper]

Rose is being very careful not to suggest anything to John that could fuck shit up. I don't think she'd have told him that he needs to prototype the kernel if something were going to happen on its own, or if he needed to wait for some specific event. That kinda makes Bec-typing it seem less likely to me. However that still does seem like a definite possibility, so I'm waffling. I guess we'll find out pretty soon anyway.

A flaming planet could look an awful lot like a sun. Just sayin. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003746)

[Token]

A flaming planet could look an awful lot like a sun. Just sayin. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003746)

And Jade's associated element is uranium. Huh.

[Locke cole]

New page.

Not much to it, but it's progress.

[Aldurin]

"Jade: Examine punched car..." was underwhelming and misleading.

EDIT: Hussie updated right as I posted, he's obviously watching me.

EDIT2: Again the inconvenience is brilliant, and I guess we'll never see Dave's eyes.

[Loyal]

...we saw them during [S]Jade: Wake Up.

They're red.

[Flarecobra]

... Great. We got the Croc Stooges.

[Token]

What is that croc doing to that puppet.

[Aldurin]

What is that croc doing to that puppet.

Why won't you people let me ignore that stuff in peace?

[Token]

Because fuck you, that's why.

[Archbio]

What is that croc doing to that puppet.

Just neutralizing an agent from the Felt.

[Aldurin]

yep, Rose is getting corrupted by dark magic

[Bard The 5th LW]

I honestly think she's just doing it on her own, no lame-ass excuse like magical corruption.

The glow is ominous though.

[BitVyper]

Guessing it's just 'cause she's using her seer powers.

[Aldurin]

I honestly think she's just doing it on her own, no lame-ass excuse like magical corruption.

The glow is ominous though.

If I had that power I'd get some kind of aura for the hell of it, so I guess that makes sense.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Her "I know everything" stuff is sort of getting on my nerves, Seer powers or not.

[Loyal]

I don't think it's Seer powers. Terezi couldn't do this sorta thing.

This is Derse Dream God powers.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah, but she's not asleep. Unless the thorns/crystal ball/some other thing allows for contact while awake. Or she's just sleeping a lot off-screen.

[Loyal]

Pretty sure it's been well established that sleeping is no longer a prerequisite for her to contact and be contacted by the Horrorterrors.

I mean she's had the Thorns ever since she got into the medium.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well the thorns very obviously draw power from the Horrorterrors, but I'm not sure if it was confirmed that it allows contact. Can you give a link? Its not like I would be surprised if it were true though, the Thorns look pretty endgame.

[BitVyper]

Terezi couldn't do this sorta thing.

We never actually saw anything of Terezi's seer powers except that she heard the voices of the Exiles more clearly, which is also true for Rose. Nor did we ever actually see Terezi's sleeping form on Prospit except when she was sleepwalking before the session even started. We know basically nothing about how her seerness manifested, and even then, it obviously wouldn't manifest exactly the same as it does with Rose except maybe at the most basic level.

I'm guessing Terezi's seer "powers" (because the powers seem more like destinies or descriptions than powers, really. I shouldn't have used the word to begin with) have a lot more to do with her enhanced perception and ability to figure people out. Both are things Rose actually shares, just in different ways; one of which involves creepy crystal balls and black auras.

Edit: Not to be dismissive of corruption or anything else, mind. We really don't know what it means, but I think it's just an effect of her using magic to see things as per her role as the seer.

[POS Industries]

My question is at what point did John fall asleep?

[BitVyper]

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. Seems like Nannasprite might be gone too.

[Kim]

I think we just skipped the fight between Jack, Bro, and Davesprite to build suspense.

[BitVyper]

BILL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Grimpond]

NANNA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[Marc v4.0]

Huh

[POS Industries]

The "John being able to prototype anything in Jade's house" ruse was a... DISTACTION.

[BitVyper]

Then again, it may have already happened.

[POS Industries]

But it probably hasn't.

Like how the Bro/Davesprite/Jack/Cal fight probably isn't over since John is sitting in an oil ocean that is not currently on fire.

[BitVyper]

A few minutes could easily have gone by without the fire expanding too far outside of Jack's initial red lightning burst, which went pretty far (lit up like a third of the planet, anyway). Oil is a fairly slow burning fuel to my recollection, although I rather expect THIS oil is burning at the speed of plot.

But yeah, I wanna say I agree that it probably hasn't happened yet, but I can see the events playing out in that sequence, with whatever happened to knock John down there being partially a consequence of his prototyping.

[Locke cole]

It's about to be on fire. Look at that glow.

As for Rose, I think she's starting to know everything both because of the Horrorterrors, and becasue of her interactions with the Trolls.

[Dracorion]

It's okay guys, Rose is just looking at the future.

[BitVyper]

Well.... yeah. Although it might be the present by now. Who knows!

[Marc v4.0]

If it was just Rose looking at the future, I doubt there would be very much "Wait, what happened? Where are you?" from John.

[Kim]

The "John being able to prototype anything in Jade's house" ruse was a... DISTACTION.

Well, sorta yeah. We know he doesn't prototype anything because Rose knows how very, very, very bad it would be if he didn't. Plus, the rules of dramatic storytelling insist that it not get prototyped. My guess is it didn't get prototype, Jack's fight caused whatever put John where he's at and prevented him from prototyping it, and Jade has finished things up leaving Jack prototyped with not being prototyped.

[BitVyper]

I am now pretty heavily on "it already happened."

New theory: fedorafreak is Lord English.

Edit: Actually, at this point I'm honestly thinking fedorafreak is going to somehow come into the main plot.

[POS Industries]

Well, sorta yeah. We know he doesn't prototype anything because Rose knows how very, very, very bad it would be if he didn't. Plus, the rules of dramatic storytelling insist that it not get prototyped. My guess is it didn't get prototype, Jack's fight caused whatever put John where he's at and prevented him from prototyping it, and Jade has finished things up leaving Jack prototyped with not being prototyped.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/momo.gif

I am now pretty heavily on "it already happened."
Well, something's happened, we can say that much.

New theory: fedorafreak is Lord English.

Edit: Actually, at this point I'm honestly thinking fedorafreak is going to somehow come into the main plot.
If anything, he illustrates the pitfalls of not having a quick, efficient means of extinction like the vast glub.

[Archbio]

I think we just skipped the fight between Jack, Bro, and Davesprite to build suspense.

I thought the suspense had been adequately built, already. Unpalatable?

New theory: fedorafreak is Lord English.

Casey is Lord English.

[BitVyper]

Well, something's happened, we can say that much.

Yeah. I actually misread "wait why the hell would you do that, what was the point" without the "wait," which made it seem more like John had done something stupid that caused him to be SO FRUSTRATED, not just throwing his PDT into the oil. So yeah, Skaia only knows what just happened.

Casey is Lord English.

no arch you are the lord english

and then arch was a demon

[Specterbane]

Casey is Lord English.

John: Reunite with your loving wife and lord of destruction.

[Flarecobra]

I kinda figured fedorafreak was TF2's Sniper, mentioning how he's distilling Jarite to make it last longer, to thicken it to make it stick longer.

[Donomni]

Casey is Lord English.

Evil is always present in the smallest creatures. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAl6Km8cRs)

[Flarecobra]

Anyone predict John going down the pipe like Mario?

[Marc v4.0]

I'm looking forward to it

edit: Wait, 10 minutes? Jade's in the medium already! Dammit stop stalling!

[BitVyper]

EB: rose, this is all oil! it'll all just explode any second, won't it???
TT: I don't think the fire's rate of propagation is quite as fast as you're imagining.

Rose, Hussie... just... thank you. Thank you so much.

Edit: It kinda seems like John might have a spot of amnesia. Either that or something knocked him out pretty much right after he finished talking to Rose before, and he stayed knocked out through everything. I'm leaning toward the former.

[POS Industries]

But no seriously John and Rose are the most adorable thing.

[Marc v4.0]

Oh man this is the type of quality banter I really missed.

Mostly because i really like John-Banter

[Geminex]

Yeah, john/rose pester logs really are fantastic. I laughed out loud at that last bit.

BLUH BLUH
HUGE WITCH

[Specterbane]

This is why John's the leader, he keeps everyone grounded. He actively wants to be involved in everyone's lives for the better with genuine and honest concern.

And yes, his pesterlogs with Rose are amazing.

[Flarecobra]

...That needed a "I saw that."

[Marc v4.0]

...I had an idle thought that it's possible "the one who hates you" and "the one who likes you" could mean either one of the two , once you really start to think about it.

[Loyal]

That would be true if it were "The one who hates you" and "the one who loves you."

But yeah, I don't think Rose is gonna go down that territory.

[Aldurin]

WHAT IS WITH YOU HUSSIE? FIRST YOU PUT DAVE'S ENTRANCE OUT OF CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER AND NOW THIS!!! WHERE IS MY DAMN FLASH UPDATE?

[Loyal]

......

You keep pining about "your damn flash update" every five pages. It'll happen when it happens (re: the end of the act, presumably the point when Jade finally enters the Medium), and probably address a bunch of A5-A2 plot threads at once, like the Jack/Bro/Davesprite fight, some more insight as to what's going on with Rose, and perhaps a little info about the Rift.

But before that happens the story needs to be prepared for it. It isn't, yet.

So chill the fuck out, bro.

[Art of Hilt]

WHAT IS WITH YOU HUSSIE? FIRST YOU PUT DAVE'S ENTRANCE OUT OF CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER AND NOW THIS!!! WHERE IS MY DAMN FLASH UPDATE?


you will never get your flash update because we're only 10% into this half act
it will go on for a year and a half
and you will like it whether you want to or not


that said I'm looking forward to John's personal Heir quest but I still want to see Jade shenanigans damn it


PS John/Rose update was the best followed shortly by the Croc With the Talking Glasses and anyone who still thinks Rose is crazy should be slapped across the face with a glove and challenged to a gentleman's duel

[Token]

http://sadpanda.us/images/286479-1HRIU3S.gif

[Locke cole]

Hey, look at the crystal ball inside Rose's pesterbubble.

I CAN SEE FOREV- well, for one cycle, anyway.

[PCD]

oh god all this taunting of things that are happening

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, HUSSIE

[Locke cole]

Did Hussie just...

he totally just...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

[russianreversal]

Oh well, there goes my afternoon. Hello F5, old friend.

[Geminex]

WOW
NOW I KNOW WHAT KARKAT FEELS LIKE ALL THE TIME

[Viridis]

> Readers: Flip the fuck out
TO THE LAND OF STUMPS AND DISMAY.
Oh well, there goes my afternoon. Hello F5, old friend.I suggest using an RSS reader. Much more useful for watching stuff like a hawk.

[Locke cole]

What is all that rumbling?

Is Jack being prototyped with something truly horrifying?

Or is The Slumbering One / Typheus awakening? (I can't be the only one to notice that some of the fireflies are free)

[Fifthfiend]

Andrew Hussie you unbelievable dickcheese.

[Locke cole]

Oh man. What if John ended up prototyping Jade's kernel with Jade's Cue Ball?

Omniscient (and perhaps omnipotent) Jack is not what anyone needs right now.

[Viridis]

Latest from Hussie:BREAK TIME
You won't see anything here for a while, because I will be busy with animation chores, ETCETERA. Here is a look at my personal 7 day forecast, and what my primary activity will be each day.

TUE: ANIMATION
WED: SOME ANIMATION, I GUESS
THU: NO ANIMATION AT ALL
FRI: ANIMATION
SAT: ANIMATION
SUN: WEEPING IN THE HORN PILE
MON: ..................
TUE: ????????????
WED: WAIT, THIS IS 9 DAYS. WHAT THE HELL?

I don't think an itinerary can get any easier to decipher than that. Hope everyone has a cool holiday! People who aren't American don't even know what I'm talking about.

edit: I do not actually mean this will take nine days, try not to be so literal.

[Locke cole]

Dammit, Hussie. If you had said nine days for realz, then at least I'd know when it was coming.

Now I'm going to have to ride that F5 button like a mechanical obsessive compulsive disorder.

[Specterbane]

WHAT IS WITH YOU HUSSIE? FIRST YOU PUT DAVE'S ENTRANCE OUT OF CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER AND NOW THIS!!! WHERE IS MY DAMN FLASH UPDATE?

Now, do you see what happens when you demand a flash update right before a holiday that the author celebrates?

But it does make the most sense to see this as an animation since it's apparently a huge plot device.

[Fifthfiend]

I too agree with the "it's all Earl's fault" protocol.

[Aldurin]

My problems were half-solved by yelling. But now my thanksgiving turkey won't taste as good when tainted by the thought of having to wait in an undefined amount of time within a week for this update.

I'd yell some more, but I'd rather torture Hussie via Formspring. (EDIT: It would be more effective if he was on more often, I don't think he's even bothered with the intelligent questions.)

I'll just crouch in a corner and mumble in a half-conscious state in attempt to speed up my perception of time.

[Dracorion]

Goddammit Andrew Hussie you suck.

You suck too, Earl.

[Flarecobra]

What is all that rumbling?

Is Jack being prototyped with something truly horrifying?

Or is The Slumbering One / Typheus awakening? (I can't be the only one to notice that some of the fireflies are free)

It's the sea of fire approaching.

[Locke cole]

I thought Rose said that the fire wasn't spreading fast enough to explode stuff.

[Aldurin]

That will all be explained in time. And looking from Andrew's forecast, it's going to be a big awesome one. I don't think the "Make her pay" or the Alterniabound one took as long as this (I'm assuming that Saturday or Sunday is a reasonable guess).

[Art of Hilt]

you will never get your flash update

within several hours, flash update confirmed after an undefined break

for fuck's sake

[Flarecobra]

Watch as he's just updated Alterniabound so you can be different trolls.

[Loyal]

Another guy, Gankro, does the flash stuff for the most part. And most of the art in Alterniabound was done by other people.

Hussie did the writing of course, but I imagine if anything got cut from Alterniabound (cougharadiacough) it wasn't because Hussie didn't have his material prepped.

[BitVyper]

I wonder if you could set your kernelsprite up so that your meteor would hit and prototype it.

[POS Industries]

I wonder if you could set your kernelsprite up so that your meteor would hit and prototype it.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/brilliant.jpg

[Doc ock rokc]

Personally I would prototype it with Jade's dream self so she doesn't have dream hell again.

[Loyal]

I ... don't think that's how it would work.

[Bard The 5th LW]

She becomes her sprite when she sleeps or something? I don't know.

Think I read that in a fan-fic or something. If it did work like that, it'd be a pretty inconvenient sprite.

[BitVyper]

*pic*

Slick, you fool. You've played right into my hands!

[Premmy]

So, I just finished reading all this and it's pretty awesome. I feel like the trolls are more interesting than any of the non-Dave humans.

[Marc v4.0]

I can't help but feel angered anytime I go to the page cause nothing is happening in any time period that could be referred to as 'thusly'

edot: IT IS TAUNTING ME ARUGHFYROFSLARGE

[synkr0nized]

I like that over the past three weeks I have been able to type "MSPA" into a Google search and notice it sit higher and higher in the results. It was fourth or fifth when I did it back then, and it just came up as the second result.

When I was first noticing its position, the Mystery Shopping Providers and Massachusetts School Psychologists were still beating MS Paint Adventures among a few others, but now it seems all that is left is the root page of the first.

[Arhra]

Hmm, I wonder if you can use the cloning machine to make a new dream self?

[greed]

I like that over the past three weeks I have been able to type "MSPA" into a Google search and notice it sit higher and higher in the results. It was fourth or fifth when I did it back then, and it just came up as the second result.

When I was first noticing its position, the Mystery Shopping Providers and Massachusetts School Psychologists were still beating MS Paint Adventures among a few others, but now it seems all that is left is the root page of the first.

Huh it's number one for me now. That's great.

[Specterbane]

So yeah, there were more things right on here than I thought there'd be. See? (http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/891fe018a135708bbf4bdd154cb36136)

[Fifthfiend]

WELP

PS WHAT THE FUCK, BEC

PPS YOU TOO VRISKA, WHAT THE FLIPPING CGRIST

[Bard The 5th LW]

no comment

[Kerensky287]

The good news is now they can T2 Prototype Bec with Dreamjade to create the previously foreshadowed (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002697) Fauna!Jade.

[Archbio]

[Cascade Brainfart Event Redacted]

PS WHAT THE FUCK, BEC

Bec was just trying to help! Which is a much more admirable motive than Vriska's. It's an actual motive, for one.

[Marc v4.0]

Well, Fuck

I called it to the wife some time back, though

[Specterbane]

And after all, Vriska's been in contact with D C Scratch (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004156).

[Bard The 5th LW]

In a way, this is sorta necessary for the plot. Bec has ultimate power, and is also good dog best friend. He would logically aid Jade in her endeavors. It would not be difficult to destroy Jack unless he had something to balance it.

Also, he's just a dog. Not necessarily the smartest being alive.

[Viridis]

Daaaaaaaaamn
Everyone sort of guessed at it but daaaaaaaaamn.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its easier to guess at it than it is to witness it.

[Wigmund]

Oh my GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO D!

Mind blown.

[POS Industries]

I wonder if anyone still thinks Bec will ever be sufficiently doomed for prototyping.
I don't, honestly. Main-timeline bec will never be
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/doctor5.jpg

[Loyal]

Re: Flash

...what.

[MuMu]

Bad Dog
Worst Sprite

Jack still doesn't fit in the Cairo Overcoat, according to The Huss

Next Update: Bro and Davesprite getting it. The Kamina cycle is complete.

[BitVyper]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/doctor5.jpg

I've got the monopoly on self satisfaction for this one and you know it.

[Loyal]

The two of you need to synchronize your avatars.

[POS Industries]

I've got the monopoly on self satisfaction for this one and you know it.
No, I don't think you do. You didn't spend two months fighting over it.

You get the "Bec chose to be prototyped" point. Congratulations.

[BitVyper]

You get the "Bec chose to be prototyped" point. Congratulations.

Excuse me? I get the "deduced that Karkat woke up and saw Jack destroying Prospit based on a single line of dialogue that no one else even paid attention to" point. And all the points that followed from that one.

Edit: Anyone else think Vriska knocked John out based on what he was prototyping? Namely a blue chick who was missing an eye.

Otherwise, I can't figure out what she was doing there.

[Wigmund]

Vriska was doing what Vriska does.

Oh god damn, there better be updates tomorrow.

[POS Industries]

Excuse me? I get the "deduced that Karkat woke up and saw Jack destroying Prospit based on a single line of dialogue that no one else even paid attention to" point. And all the points that followed from that one.
Pfft, you thought that Jack was Lord English. You get one point and nothing else after that. And I predicted Jack's entry into the trolls' universe a whole month before you did. So there!

Edit: Anyone else think Vriska knocked John out based on what he was prototyping? Namely a blue chick who was missing an eye.

Otherwise, I can't figure out what she was doing there.
Just making sure the timeline goes the way it's supposed to, I'd wager.

[Marc v4.0]

I predicted it when I first saw Jack.

I turned to my pet Cactus and said "Cactus, this fucker right here is gonna ruin the whole damn cake factory in one go"

And the Cactus said "Ayupers"

So roll that in your pipes and go screw

:P

Also his name is Jenkins, my Cactus

[BitVyper]

Vriska was doing what Vriska does.

Vriska has reasons for the things she does. Even if they're dumb (although she shows a lot of intelligence and even maturity once in a while).

As far as the Cairo Overcoat is concerned; we still only know absolutely for sure that Jack is The Demon. There's still a very small chance wordplay will fuck over Jack = Lord English there, but I'm not really expecting it. Really though, Jack can probably look like whatever the hell he wants at this point.

At any rate the Lord English from the MC intermission is, at the very least, at least somewhat further in the timeline than this. I'm still thinking the lack of a graphic in his name is an indicator that he's already been fucked over at least to the extent that he can no longer achieve whatever he wants by that point.

Just making sure the timeline goes the way it's supposed to, I'd wager.

I think that's why it happened. I don't think that's actually Vriska's personal reason for doing it. The vague resemblance (the colour blue, the missing eyeball) between that doll and her kinda seems intentional to me. Might not be, but she seemed to be making more of a "FUCK YOU" face than when she was waking John up before or putting Dave to sleep, so I don't think that's just from the effort it took.

Ah, and maybe that's why she goes back and threatens John - she's pissed off because she realises it was her fault all along but blames it on him for having tried to prototype that doll. Obviously she gets over it in time to give him her fortune.

Pure speculation though.

[POS Industries]

Yeah, I can't really say for sure. I suspect she's mainly just been trying to do her part to make sure the timeline goes exactly the way its supposed to ever since she first contacted John, as it's the most expedient way to get things to the point where she can see what happens, since there's no way to win until then. But I could just be giving her too much credit. She does seem to have her own plan, though, what with her numerous, incalculable fire irons she has.

Also, I will not be surprised if we see a Broquerelsprite in the near future.

[BitVyper]

Also, I will not be surprised if we see a Broquerelsprite in the near future.

Obviously Jack had to get the fuck out of dodge at that point because a Broquerelsprite was so awesome it threatened to vaporize him just by existing.

Part of the reason I think Vriska's reason was more emotional is because I can see Doc Scratch sending her a message confirming that she did exactly what he expected her to. Which would beg the question: Did Bec play into Scratch's plans, did Scratch play into Bec's plans, or can they even be considered to have plans, being mainly facilitators and all? I favour a combination of all three, 'cause I kinda feel like Scratch may be a double agent and not even realise it due to the gaps in his omniscience. It would make his drafting of Snowman into the cause make a lot more sense. Both have plans, but their plans are inevitabilities, and they know this but follow through on them anyway because they're Doctor Manhattan.

[Bard The 5th LW]

At any rate the Lord English from the MC intermission is, at the very least, at least somewhat further in the timeline than this. I'm still thinking the lack of a graphic in his name is an indicator that he's already been fucked over at least to the extent that he can no longer achieve whatever he wants by that point.

I'm still thinking that the graphic means absolutely nothing and that he just uses it because its new and cool.

[BitVyper]

She describes a demon, but never says anything directly connecting him to Lord English. Only offhand references to make you think that's who she's talking about. Such as calling the rift a "scratch", which brought the demon into the session, where Scratch is the name of the guy who's job it is to pave the way for LE. Sure seemed like she was talking about LE, didn't it? That was intended.


So it seems they are probably separate. Maybe.

I'm not entirely convinced that he isn't still some distant future version of our Jack who has been out and about devouring universes for eons, buuuut...

hrm

I don't like to speculate that Lord English is something totally external to what's been going on, especially since Scratch seems to have plans that involve Jack. Scratch is a First Guardian, so he works specifically to ensure that what is supposed to happen happens. If he's an agent of anybody, it's probably the Bilious Slick.

Like I said awhile back, this sort of seems like it could be the Bilious Slick creating his own satanic figure. Maybe consuming universes isn't quite the right way of looking at what Lord English does. Maybe it's more like taking them back, Rapture style.

It could be that the Bilious = Lord English then, but something about that seems wrong. All of a sudden, a lot of things don't really add up anymore. Then again, others do...

Edit: Keep in mind, Bilious Slick was never presented to us as his actual name.

[POS Industries]

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm still sticking with "Jack kills Snowman, ends universe, summons Lord English."

Who the fuck English actually is, I dunno.

[BitVyper]

It does seem like a likely thing that could happen, but I don't think it would be a good thing for Lord English if it did. Of course, what we don't know about Snowman's "power" vastly outweighs what we do. He'd have to do it in Alternia's distant future, at any rate. Unless the Scratch fucks things up to the extent that the timeline doesn't even matter. Otherwise, right now, locking Slick in the safe is Snowman's Stavromula Beta.

Edit: At any rate, Hussie did say that Jack = Lord English is merely inconclusive, so it's still not off the table.

[Geminex]

Hey, pos! Congratulations!

I'm really happy for you, man. You were right. On the internet. About a webcomic.

This... this is a great day for you. You've achieved so much, I...
I...
Oh god, I'm tearing up.

Pos, I'm so proud of you. You did it. You really, really did it.
Never stop believing.

In other news, what gives, Vriska? Seriously, what the fuck?

[Token]

On the subject of Jack being LE, there are still a lot of hints if you look at the Intermission. LE's vault was hidden behind a door with a spade on it, which recognized Slick's barcode. We know the Jackspers still has his bar code, and as different instances of the same character, it stands to reason that their codes would be the same. This next bit is just a guess, but The Felt are glowy-green, have limited time-space powers, and are entirely unlike any other creature that has been seen in the game. My theory is that they're constructs made by something with First Guardian powers, sort of like sentient Green Lantern constructs. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack could make something like that; he was already an "Ace," has a quad-prototyped ring, and now the power of Bec.

[Aldurin]

HO . . . LY . . . SHIT . . .

Blindfoldpinatatargetpracticeforever!!

I was also suspicious about how one reckoning could totally disaster-rape Earth to look like what it did. Granted that the meteor was huge, that thing would have probably torn off a good chunk of the planet. But then the planet would be knocked off course due to mass-displacement. But an omni-blast shockwave that wipes out the entire landscape minus Jade's island works.

I must know how Bro and Davesprite and Cal died!!

NEW THEORY: Doc Scratch will now take a more active role in events, and if in fact Bec Noir is not Lord English then there will be and epic battle between the two (despite it being "none of his business" during his convo with Aradia) and then Mr. Vanilla Milkshake will be slain due to his growing uncertainty with his omniscience.

In the end Spades Slick Jack will slay his super-evil counterpart. He has the crowbar, and the pin doll and I think one of the alternate timeline Felt in storage.

EDIT: Skaia mutates with each prototyping, I wanna see what it looks like now.

[Dracorion]

I wanna say Lil' Cal is finally dead. If Jack didn't tear that motherfucker apart, the fire should've done it.

But let's face it: Lil' Cal is going to live forever.

[Overcast]

My issue about the issue is being entirely incapable of saying what is what. How much power does Lord English have? How much Power does Bec have? Does being prototyped Bec's power = being on par with Lord English? Is it more about the ambition that makes Lord English+the power rather than just the power itself? Will Jack come across something relating to the green sun later on that will eventually push him over to the final end? WAs he tricked out of the Kids universe and into the Troll universe so that he could get stuck there forced to try to manipulate himself into existance in a thousand other universes while the trolls steal away to the one they created finally. Do the kids end up having to come around to the Troll universe in order to fight Jackspers Bec Niorcrow or just to pull them out.

It goes on and on and on.

But Gem you can't pull away his victory in this with a repertoire of snark, he is far too strong in the smug.

[Bard The 5th LW]

On the subject of Jack being LE, there are still a lot of hints if you look at the Intermission. LE's vault was hidden behind a door with a spade on it, which recognized Slick's barcode. We know the Jackspers still has his bar code, and as different instances of the same character, it stands to reason that their codes would be the same. This next bit is just a guess, but The Felt are glowy-green, have limited time-space powers, and are entirely unlike any other creature that has been seen in the game. My theory is that they're constructs made by something with First Guardian powers, sort of like sentient Green Lantern constructs. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack could make something like that; he was already an "Ace," has a quad-prototyped ring, and now the power of Bec.

So is Jack actually Lord English?

Read question below.

The formal answer is "inconclusive".

That said, you can speculate anything you want, as long as you realize that Lord English probably should be able to fit into this coat without looking like an idiot.

According to Andrew, he has purposely been leaving the identities of the 'Demon' and Lord English vague to make us think they are the same person. He hasn't confirmed anything, but he says there is still a possibility that they are different people.

[BitVyper]

On the subject of Jack being LE, there are still a lot of hints if you look at the Intermission. LE's vault was hidden behind a door with a spade on it, which recognized Slick's barcode. We know the Jackspers still has his bar code, and as different instances of the same character, it stands to reason that their codes would be the same. This next bit is just a guess, but The Felt are glowy-green, have limited time-space powers, and are entirely unlike any other creature that has been seen in the game. My theory is that they're constructs made by something with First Guardian powers, sort of like sentient Green Lantern constructs. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack could make something like that; he was already an "Ace," has a quad-prototyped ring, and now the power of Bec.

Yeah, the theory cropped up back then too, although it wasn't so well supported then, especially since we had no idea what the place and purpose of the intermission was back then. I still seems like the most plausible explanation for Lord English available at the moment.

However, if Jack IS Lord English, I don't think he'll be so before some major changes. Hell, maybe Lord English is somehow the other Jack. Either way, I don't think the ring will matter to Lord English.

There is still another ring floating around with access to these powers.

[Bard The 5th LW]

There is still another ring floating around with access to these powers.

Everyone is Lord English.

But I actually did forget about the 2nd ring. This gives means for two sepulchritude prototyped carapaces.

[Loyal]

Seems the popular fan-choice for the other ringbearer is not the White Queen, but the Peregrine Mendicant.

[Dracorion]

The second ring is currently on Earth and we don't know that even First Guardians can cross into the Medium on their own power.

[Marc v4.0]

Jack just jumped sessions, and opening portals to the Home area outside the game is something built directly in to the game itself. It is rather doubtful at this point that he or PM wouldn't have the power to do so if they wished

[BitVyper]

We all understand what "omnipotence" means, right?

As far as First Guardians go, they follow pretty strict paths, Dr. Manhattan style, it seems. It's probably not so much a matter of what they CAN do as it is a matter of what they DO do.

Edit: The First Guardians are probably more bound to a particular course than someone who happens to have gotten their hands on First Guardian powers. That said, nah, I think travel between universes probably still takes some doing. As far as accessing Paradox Space goes, I can't imagine they're incapable of time travel when it's such a trivial thing for SBURB players, so getting in would really be as simple as showing up when a player entered a session, even if they couldn't bust in on their own.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The second ring is currently on Earth and we don't know that even First Guardians can cross into the Medium on their own power.

It is not 'currently' on Earth. It was shown to be in possession of WV when he was brooding on Skaia. He then kept it till he went to Earth. He went to Earth at some point during the 24 hours of the reckoning.

We still have no idea what he did with it between those two points while he was in the medium.

[BitVyper]

He went to Earth at some point during the 24 hours of the reckoning.

Even this isn't known for sure. We really just know that he ends up on Earth eventually.

[Dracorion]

It is not 'currently' on Earth. It was shown to be in possession of WV when he was brooding on Skaia. He then kept it till he went to Earth. He went to Earth at some point during the 24 hours of the reckoning.

We still have no idea what he did with it between those two points while he was in the medium.

He hid it in his trusty knife. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003880)

[Bard The 5th LW]

He found it here. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004560)

He did not have a trusty knife at the time.

[Dracorion]

Okay, my use of "currently" was wrong.

But, if you're saying that WV gave someone else the ring while he was still in the Medium, and eventually got it back before leaving, I will say I think that's unlikely.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Who says he gave it to someone else?

I think that he could have used it. Has it been specifically said that you need to a prospitian to use the prospitian royalty's ring? Jack used the white king's scepter.

[Dracorion]

I don't think he would. WV hates royalty, remember?

[BitVyper]

I really love this song. Can't wait until the next soundtrack is available.

[POS Industries]

Hey, pos! Congratulations!

I'm really happy for you, man. You were right. On the internet. About a webcomic.

This... this is a great day for you. You've achieved so much, I...
I...
Oh god, I'm tearing up.

Pos, I'm so proud of you. You did it. You really, really did it.
Never stop believing.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/hatersgonnahate.gif

[Fifthfiend]

Thing I still don't understand:

Why'd Bec need to prototype himself to blow up a measly ol' asteroid? How was his plain-old-ordinary non-prototyped omnipotence not enough to handle that situation?

[Kerensky287]

Thing I still don't understand:

Why'd Bec need to prototype himself to blow up a measly ol' asteroid? How was his plain-old-ordinary non-prototyped omnipotence not enough to handle that situation?

He didn't need to prototype himself to blow up the asteroid.

He needed to prototype himself so that Jade's kernelsprite would be prototyped when she entered the medium.


Side note:

The scratch screws over the trolls
^
Jack Noir gets First Guardian powers
^
Bec prototypes with kernelsprite because Jade is about to enter the medium
^
John cannot prototype the kernelsprite because he is asleep
^
Vriska put John to sleep


So everything is Vriska's fault.

[MuMu]

It was less about needing power and more about Jade needing to prototype anything ASAP, IMO. Either that or maybe while being created by DD he also had some Prime Programming dictating that he should become a sprite as soon as the opportunity arises, but that's a bit of a stretch.

edit: Screw you, Kerensky.

[Kim]

But couldn't Bec throw something into the Kernel instead of jumping in himself?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Dog lacks thumbs. Guessing he was panicked/stupid as well.

[Kim]

He can teleport a bullet. He doesn't need thumbs.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just going to go with the idea of Bec not being terribly intelligent.

We'll likely get a better explanation later on.

[Dracorion]

I'm going with the theory that all the First Guardians have the job of bringing Lord English into the universe.

Which for Becquerel includes making Jack into Lord English in the first place.

Of course, this all hinges on Jack = Lord English.

[Loyal]

He didn't panic or anything of the sort. If he were panicking he wouldn't have spaced all the potential prototyping material beforehand.

Self-prototyping was deliberate and had nothing to do with Vriska or John or anything of the sort.

[Geminex]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/hatersgonnahate.gif

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t90/lishakara/SICK_FIRES_BRO.gif

Your endless supply of gifs is no match for my sharp wit and google-fu.

[Specterbane]

Well if we look at all of Bec's actions to date I'd say they all center around protecting Jade and staying with her. Couldn't those have been his intentions as well?

I'm more curious about why Jacquerel went and wasted Karkat's dream self as if it were something personal. I mean he was standing right above him and looking him right in the face before he blew it off along with the moon.

[POS Industries]

my sharp wit
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/Q.png

I'm going with the theory that all the First Guardians have the job of bringing Lord English into the universe.

Which for Becquerel includes making Jack into Lord English in the first place.

Of course, this all hinges on Jack = Lord English.
Or Jack doing what he does best in the troll's universe: killing black queens.

[Premmy]

HIDE RUPAUL!

[Fifthfiend]

He didn't need to prototype himself to blow up the asteroid.

He needed to prototype himself so that Jade's kernelsprite would be prototyped when she entered the medium.

He could have thrown pretty much any random thing into the sprite.

HIDE RUPAUL!

God damn

[BitVyper]

Dog lacks thumbs. Guessing he was panicked/stupid as well.

First Guardians exist to facilitate a planet's ultimate purpose. They're also omniscient but for a few blind spots which exist for the purpose of making their purpose happen. Bec clearly knew what the kernelsprite was for, and obviously could have done any number of things there. He specifically teleported other objects away from it after waiting until the last second. Whether it works to his or someone else's advantage, Becquerel did this with calm intention.

One way outside possibility is that this was a really roundabout way for Bec to quit his job so that he could take a more direct hand in things. Which would mean that the reason he did it is probably the same as the reason it happened, which again would fit into causes and effects being the same. I don't really think so though.

I've decided that for these things to work, there need to be reasons that are at least a degree or two separated from "ensure the time loop." Like a loyal dog protecting his master or faith in instructions from the dead, or something else. Even when we've had ____s of Time going around KNOWING that they're doing stuff to ensure time loops pan out, there've still been other reasons. Which makes sense and avoids the "but if Lavos was already dead then we'd never have fought him in the first place" problem of time loops. It's like you're putting on a play for the Universe, and if you just come out and say "and then the script says I cut off MacBeth's head," it will boo you off the stage.

[POS Industries]

Even though we saw the result, I think there's still some element of mystery left as to why he prototyped himself.

Could he have diverted/destroyed the meteor without doing so? Probably.

The word "omnipotent" has been thrown around, but we don't know how literal this is or what the extent of his powers was. He could do some crazy things pre-prototyping, sure. But could he fire a huge green laser? We have no idea. It looked like his powers were passive, for the most part. Teleporting anywhere, and being able to teleport anything anywhere. It's reasonable to think he could have redirected it into the sun or such. Maybe he had a good reason for not doing this, and blowing it up instead?
He is also a dog who happens to have been genetically engineered by an agent of Derse.
So basically Bec had his reasons and they may or may not have been good.

[BitVyper]

Yeah, I saw that too. I don't think his powers were necessarily passive so much as that's the way he used them because he was a passive being by the very nature of his purpose, which relates to the one outside possibility I mentioned. At any rate, even with teleportation alone, he could have resolved that situation without self-prototyping.

The OMNISCIENCE has been described in greater detail, assuming that he is essentially the same sort of being as Doc Scratch. That stuff we can take as being a bit more literal.

As far as Derse prototyping goes... it's difficult to figure out exactly why DD did what he did there. Either way, I'm not really inclined to take it as some kind of plan to create Bec Noir (although in timey wimey terms, it was, but you know what I mean), which is an idea I've heard thrown around. I tend to see it as a more abstract thing, like having a determining effect on Bec's fate.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I don't think Bec is omniscient. I'll concede that he is definitely smarter than the average dog, but he lacks the intelligence or know-how of Scratch.

From the formspring:

I may be wrong in assuming this, but I was under the conclusion that Bec was omnipotent, and by prototyping, Jack has gained said omnipotence. My question, assuming I'm not already wrong, is why Bec would prototype, knowing the consequences?

1) He is a dog. Omnipotent, not omniscient. He did what was necessary to save his master, the frog temple, and to a lesser extent, Earth.

2) He is also a dog who happens to have been genetically engineered by an agent of Derse.

[BitVyper]

Technically he's not truly omniscient, since he'd have the same blank spots that even Scratch conceded to when pressed on his omniscience. However, if he was actually created with the genetic code that was used for Scratch - and there is a vague possibility that DD somehow fucked that (but then he wouldn't be Earth's First Guardian, although he hasn't been directly called that, so who knows) - then well...

The code grants them near omnipotence, and when merged with a host of great intelligence, near omniscience as well.


(which means I was wrong earlier to call him omnipotent)

Basically means that the near-omniscience is a product of the near-omnipotence. Bec has clearly been intelligent enough to know exactly what he needs to do at any given moment up to now, so it would seem he got that "host of great intelligence," and we know he got the near-omnipotence. And the comic itself says near-omnipotence + host of great intelligence = near omniscience.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think the implication Andrew was trying to give was that he lacked really any form of omniscience.

A dog (breed uncertain) is not a host of great intelligence. I have no idea what Scratch was made from. Possibly the magic cue ball.

[Premmy]

Technically he's not truly omniscient, since he'd have the same blank spots that even Scratch conceded to when pressed on his omniscience. However, if he was actually created with the genetic code that was used for Scratch - and there is a vague possibility that DD somehow fucked that (but then he wouldn't be Earth's First Guardian, although he hasn't been directly called that, so who knows) - then well...


The code grants them near omnipotence, and when merged with a host of great intelligence, near omniscience as well.
(which means I was wrong earlier to call him omnipotent)

Basically means that the near-omniscience is a product of the near-omnipotence.

Underline and Bold mine. If the code is merged with a DOG, it might only give him above-average dog- intelligence, or none at all, so even kinda-sorta omniscient might not apply.
Edit: ninja'd by a ninja bastard

[Aldurin]

I think Bec's omnipotent abilities were limited by his intelligence, his only shown skill was teleporting himself and other objects. By being kernelsprited animal sentience is enhanced to a communicable level, and information about the game is given that they must be able to properly process.

Being an omni-sprite gives him more options with his abilities, and I suspect new stuff like that laser are gonna be simple things for him now.

[BitVyper]

Hahahahahaha (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/1981)

[Specterbane]

Bit, I think you've found the concept for the next animation on MSPA.

[Art of Hilt]

I think Bec prototyped himself because despite what people may say, despite what they think he has done, he is forever
GOOD DOG
BEST FRIEND
He prototyped himself so he could shrug off his First Guardian ties to Earth and continue being loyal and protecting of Jade in the game session.

[Wigmund]

GOOD DOG
BEST FRIEND


Jade will say that to Bec Noir and he'll be compelled to roll over on his back so she can put a bullet in his brain scratch his belly.

[Loyal]

http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q365/King_Jiggles/My%20Goober%20Sister/withwords.png

[BitVyper]

I think Bec prototyped himself because despite what people may say, despite what they think he has done, he is forever
GOOD DOG
BEST FRIEND
He prototyped himself so he could shrug off his First Guardian ties to Earth and continue being loyal and protecting of Jade in the game session.

I pretty much agree.

[PCD]

We knew it was going to happen. We warned each other, bros.

But actually seeing it still is like a punch in the fucking gut.

[POS Industries]

The worst part is that it wasn't Bro's blood on his hand (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004831) when he entered the rift.

[mauve]

Finally got to watch the animation through today's update.

Hoh-leee shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

We knew it was going to happen. We warned each other, bros.

But actually seeing it still is like a punch in the fucking gut.
This, pretty much. Although I wasn't expecting Jack to take Bro's shades, or Cal, for that matter. THAT won't go over well when Current Dave meets him in person.

The worst part is that it wasn't Bro's blood on his hand when he entered the rift. He doesn't appear to have Cal with him in the troll's session, either...



EDIT: Okay, so after rewatching the animation:

Now we know. The demon Karkat has been terrified of all this time is Bec Noir. I wonder if this fear has anything to do with the fact that Jack has candy-red blood all over his hand, which Karkat seems to think is unique to himself and Jack, or if it's just because Jack is now all-powerful and going on a rampant killing spree.


Also also-- what the hell was with the Bec pinata in Jade's house??? Am I missing something, or are we just assuming this will be explained in the future?

[Fifthfiend]

In fairness, dude looks good in them shades.