Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Art of Hilt]

count how many green bars before each space
4 1 3

[Fifthfiend]

Just what this thing needed

SOME MORE INSCRUTIABLE BULLSHIT

[Aldurin]

I know what foreign language I'm gonna learn next year.

[mauve]

The mail lady just HAD to get stuck talking to the only kid who has a dog.

[Arhra]

That's about enough of the goddamn flash stuff for now.

Time to get back to the pages and pages of not-actually-expository chatlogs that move this motherfucker forward, tiny fraction of an inch by teeth-pullingly prolonged tiny fraction of an inch.

EDIT: My fondest dream is to have some studio option Homestuck as a movie, then have some scriptwriter condense the entire thing into like, two and a half hours that manages to be completely dramatically satisfying and hit all the important plot points, like Scott Pilgrim minus the unappealing lead actor and the weird shit at the end where you can tell they were going to change the ending but didn't.

Shoulda stayed with Knives!

Andrew Hussie was talking about how it might work as a movie in his formspring some time ago. There's some interesting stuff there.

[Donomni]

Man, that's a lot of indescribable chaos dialog just to say "woof".

[Aldurin]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif

[Geminex]

You think you will try to keep conversations with Earl to a minimum from now on.

[Aldurin]

You think you will try to keep conversations with Earl to a minimum from now on.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif

[Locke cole]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif


FFFFFFFhttp://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif

[Loyal]

Can we please stop this.

[Locke cole]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif.

[Art of Hilt]

I'm gonna take that as a "Yes".

[Premmy]

ya'll gonna haveta cut that shit out.

[Locke cole]

I'm gonna take that as a "Yes".

You speak Bec?!

[Fifthfiend]

What's that Beccie? Timmy fell down a well and broke his leg and fell backwards in time and created all of us and those mean ol' cattle rustlers are fixin' to create a temporal paradox that will cause our universe to stop existing? Lead the way, Beccie!

[POS Industries]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif.
You guys can do that three more times and then you have to knock it off.

Make them count.

[Dracorion]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/becspeak.gif

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/becspeak.gif

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/becspeak.gif

Oh no!

Did I just use up all the tries?

[POS Industries]

Yes you did.

Goodnight everybody!

[Aldurin]

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/becangry.gif

[POS Industries]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/TT.gif

[BitVyper]

You guys can do that three more times and then you have to knock it off.

But it's so much easier on the eyes than when they post with text.

[Dracorion]

THIS IS STUPID.

[synkr0nized]

I kept shooting bullets at the imp. It was fun.

[akaSM]

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/becangry.gif

I understood that one, I'm beginning to understand Bec's language :dance:

[PCD]

Why did we wait so long between seeing the Exiles again? Dear god they are the most adorable things.

[Loyal]

Oh man, more and more it looks like PM (Perfect Monarch?) is gonna get to wear the ring and be all badass.

[Locke cole]

Oh man, more and more it looks like PM (Perfect Monarch?) is gonna get to wear the ring and be all badass.

Prospitian Monarch.

It was in the narration.

Also, Bec's been a bad dog.

(and I maintain that we've done it twice since the ultimatum. But since I already clearly and unmistakably said "yes" when asked if we could knock it off, that is what I shall do).

[Wigmund]

I wonder what's in the fireplace.

[Locke cole]

Fire.

[Arhra]

Possibly also logs.

[Flarecobra]

Dave had the best discription of snow EVER.

[Dracorion]

Stable time loop Dave count: 5

[Bard The 5th LW]

It looks like the Parcel Mistress is....

about...

to go..

postal.

[Geminex]

YEEEEEEEEAH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rD4Paq0zE&feature=related)

Also, the intellibeam laserstation is incredibly disappointing.
: (

[Aldurin]

Also, the intellibeam laserstation is incredibly disappointing.
: (

You don't appreciate the options that come with insane grist-fueled mass production. Think of all of the unreal airs he could make without using time shit.

[Dracorion]

Smooth, Dave.

[BitVyper]

What if Becsprite gets his secondary prototyping from Jade's magic cueball?

Or I wonder if she'll use it to make something, maybe just a magic cueball with a convenient portal.

Edit: Then again, I wonder if it's even still around. Was it in her room?

[Dracorion]

Bec Scratch?

[Aldurin]

Bec Scratch?

Bec Scratchsprite.

[Flarecobra]

What if Becsprite gets his secondary prototyping from Jade's magic cueball?

Or I wonder if she'll use it to make something, maybe just a magic cueball with a convenient portal.

Edit: Then again, I wonder if it's even still around. Was it in her room?

I beleve it was.

[Dracorion]

So wait.

The Exiles could very well have access to a magic cue ball?

[Loyal]

Sure, but none of them could see through it even if they did find it.

[Dracorion]

Except they also have a nifty quad-prototyped ring with access to First Guardian powers.

That's about as close to omnipotent and omniscient as you can get.

Which reminds me, does Jack get omniscience, or does he just have the flashy green mojo?

[BitVyper]

Well, Jade brought some of her landscape with her, so if it survived, it may yet be here.


Which reminds me, does Jack get omniscience

The near omniscience was described as a product of near-omnipotence and great intelligence. So pretty much it all depends on how smart Jack is with his super power.

[Loyal]

Except they also have a nifty quad-prototyped ring with access to First Guardian powers.

That's about as close to omnipotent and omniscient as you can get.

Which reminds me, does Jack get omniscience, or does he just have the flashy green mojo?At which point the hypothetical magic cue ball becomes perfectly redundant. I don't see the problem here?

[Bard The 5th LW]

I doubt it. He received Omnipotence from Bec, but Bec didn't have Omniscience due to being a large dog. He wasn't the host for the code, Bec was.

[MuMu]

Jade's gonna get all Sniper Wolf now.

But with less cleavage.

[Kim]

Jade's gonna get all Sniper Wolf now.

But with less cleavage.

We hope.

[Art of Hilt]

damn it hussie
damn it
damn you



looks like alchemizing will be delayed for christmas
time for a perspective change until then i'm betting

[Locke cole]

HUSSSSIIIIIEEEEE!

[Aldurin]

Maybe we'll actually get to see Davesprite's battle to defend sleeping Dave, or we'll get to focus on the what-the how-the and why-the for everything Rose is doing.

[Loyal]

Maybe we'll actually get to see Davesprite's battle to defend sleeping Dave,Spoiler: Davesprite won.

or we'll get to focus on the what-the how-the and why-the for everything Rose is doing.Because she's trying to break the game.

[Overcast]

We can also see John doing more "Fly pupa!" type things with miss lucky mcluckypants.

[Amake]

>Vriska: Visit Nick Cage is everyone (http://niccageaseveryone.blogspot.com)

[Overcast]

Oh my god.

[Marc v4.0]

Doof

[Loyal]

And so, JPEG HERO was born.

nak

[Premmy]

for some reason I always assumed he had either merged his shades or done away with the not-iShades...

[Dracorion]

Why would he do that?

They're Ben Stiller's shades.

[Premmy]

Why would he do that?
Wellllll, you see.....
They're Ben Stiller's shades.

[PCD]

Oh god there's a calendar now (http://www.cafepress.com/mspaartists2011.488790768)

I don't even use calendars, Hussie, stop tempting my money reserves

[Dracorion]

Dave seems to like them, Premmy.

[Premmy]

Dave seems to like and do a lot of things ironically.
Edit: Like, he probably keeps them for sentimental value as a gift from John, but as far as liking them as cool shades without the emotional value, I'm sure he likes them ironically.

[Fifthfiend]

Dave seems to like and do a lot of things ironically.
Edit: Like, he probably keeps them for sentimental value as a gift from John, but as far as liking them as cool shades without the emotional value, I'm sure he likes them ironically.

So given that he likes a lot of things ironically, and liking things ironically is a thing that he unironically likes, there is ironically no reason for him to ironically get rid of the shades that he unironically ironically likes.

[Premmy]

Shut up

[Loyal]

Dave keeps the Stiller shades to hide his massive 'brows when his iShades are unavailable.

I thought we established this already.

[Premmy]

I FORGOT ALL THE FETCH MODUS TOMFOOLERY, OKAY? YEESH
edit: Fuck you, massive brows are awesome.

[Locke cole]

Yeah. It's not like alchemizing destroys the component items. You're just changing codes on punchcards, not destroying the original captcha cards.

[Fifthfiend]

Fuck you, massive brows are awesome.

Maybe ironically http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/smug.gif

[Dracorion]

Calling it now:

The HORRORTERRORS are the spirits of players who failed at Sburb.

[Aldurin]

I see Dave has found the Squiddle virus quarantine.

[Premmy]

Maybe ironically http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/smug.gif
Somebody has little girly pencil-thin eyebrows.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm pretty unironically comfortable with that.

IN RELATED NEWS Nak-nak the Sord....... bearer is the HIGHLY IRONIC counterpart of Familiar Viceroy Bubbles von Salamancer

I just thought that was neat

[greed]

Big Update.

EVERYBODY POSE AS A TEAM CAUSE

SHIT

JUST


GOT




REAL

[Premmy]

If by "Shit got real" You mean The "first Guardians were turned into green Lanterns" then yeah, But Doc Scratch talking to rose is pretty boss.

[greed]

I more meant Rose's plan to blow up the Green Sun being revealed.

Mostly I just wanted to throw in a Problem Sleuth reference though.

[Premmy]

I knew whatever big plans anyone had, it was going to involve destruction.

[Aldurin]

Rose, really just don't talk about it being a suicide mission as long as you have an extra life.

Or she might need to use her powers to be awake in both identities simultaneously. But that wouldn't make sense. So she'll probably do it anyway.

Oh yes, we've also received indirect confirmation that Snowman is dead.

And dammit Rose why do you want to kill Jade's dog? Or the green sun going boom might be what causes them to become "normal".

[Geminex]

Is it just me, or does rose really, really look like Mom in that last shot? Most the expression, but kinda the entire effect of the picture.

[MuMu]

The lack of expression, actually. Kind of a special case where less facial expressures make you look more like somebody else.

[Dracorion]

I believe it was done entirely on purpose.

Also, if Mom knew about it that may explain why she's an alcoholic and so distant towards Rose.

[synkr0nized]

Oh yes, we've also received indirect confirmation that Snowman is dead.

Wait, what?

[Loyal]

Perhaps he meant that we have confirmation that Snowman will die eventually, given that Lord English has been summoned, and therefore Scratch's job is done. But then that should be obvious, we've known for a long time that Lord English was already around.

Still, it's interesting that Doc Scratch wants to die.

[Marc v4.0]

IF it is indeed Scratch.

I don't trust Hussie enough to make that assumption.

[Loyal]

It's a distinct probability.

I don't see Hussie introducing a whole new third universe just to give us another First Guardian.

[Marc v4.0]

There are ways to do it right without having to introduce a whole third Universe. Crafty ways, which is why I am remaining suspicious until it is for sure

[Loyal]

There are ways to do it right without having to introduce a whole third Universe. Crafty ways, which is why I am remaining suspicious until it is for sure

The scenario wherein Rose's contact is Doc Scratch is the simple and obvious one. The person Rose describes matches what little we know of him well enough, and it's plausible to believe that, once his purpose was completed and his master summoned, he would have no particular reason to want to remain.

The scenario in which there's a third First Guardian we suddenly need to be aware of requires ignoring the above and introducing a new character literally out of nowhere. This particular case would also require establishing both why the new guy would have any knowledge of Rose, as well as why he would have any inclination to contact her specifically, out of every other living person, including two other first guardians, in at least two universes.

Hussie's a massive tease, and complicated stuff like this is right up his alley, but he introduces the complexities gradually over time. He doesn't just dump it all on the reader like what the above scenario would entail. This particular scenario is not something one should place their bets on.

[Kim]

Third First Guardian is from the upcoming 10,000 page Squiddles are. DUH

[Marc v4.0]

I understand it's a wide off-chance and much easier to just be the obvious way, that still doesn't mean I'm not going to doubt a bit for the off-chance. The explaination was entirely unnecessary. I'm suspicious, not unable to connect the dots or adamantly bull-headed. Just...not holding my breath until I see it right there

[Dracorion]

Maybe it's Bec. Or future Bec. Or whichever Exile puts on the Queen's Ring.

Also, I agree that this definitely means that the Black Queen will die, I don't think it's happened yet. We've already been told that the demon is here before it's even summoned.

[Kim]

Clearly the plan is to use The Tumor to blow up The Green Sun to create The Scratch so they can go to the Troll Universe so they can kill Snowman which kills Bec Noir and summons Lord English.

[Fifthfiend]

That was astonishingly scrutable.

It was like "so we are just going to tell you what is going on in a straightforward way"

And then I was like "huh, that pretty much uncomplicatedly informs me of a bunch of what is going on here".

Weeeeeeeeeird

[Overcast]

Something in this has to mess up. Cause I figure the http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/greenmotherfuckingsun.gifis still giving Jack power when he flips off to trollville. So it has yet to be busted up at least that far in the game to when he is totally wrecking their shit.

I'm also starting to wonder if the Draconian Dignitary is the one who is ruining everyone's lives back in Exileville.

[Flarecobra]

I'm also starting to wonder if the Draconian Dignitary is the one who is ruining everyone's lives back in Exileville.


IF he survived Bec's creation.

And what do you mean by "Ruining everyone's lives?"

[Overcast]

I finally started thinking about it and obviously Bec Noir can't be the horrible dictator that the gang is currently trying to depose. I figure only DD has that kind of ambition if he is still alive.

[Flarecobra]

Thing is, no one's currentally messing with the Exiles right now.

[Overcast]

True, kinda meant it as a general thing rather than a, they are currently under attack thing.

[Aldurin]

The Green Sun is Lord English in sun mode.

[Token]

The Green Sun is Lord English in sun mode.

Fuck you. me.
Fuck you me for me just getting that reference. seeing a reference that wasn't there.

[Aldurin]

Fuck you.
Fuck you for me just getting that reference.

What reference?

[Flarecobra]

Did Dave just call his comic crap?

[Premmy]

Ironyyyyyy

[Locke cole]

Something in this has to mess up. Cause I figure the http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/greenmotherfuckingsun.gifis still giving Jack power when he flips off to trollville. So it has yet to be busted up at least that far in the game to when he is totally wrecking their shit.

I'm also starting to wonder if the Draconian Dignitary is the one who is ruining everyone's lives back in Exileville.

Perhaps Becsprite has some sort of sprite-based immunity to the destruction of the http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/greenmotherfuckingsun.gif, so his existence as a sprite still powers Jack's ring?

[Fifthfiend]

It might be more stupid spacetime causality shit, where the explosion knocks Jack into the troll's session at a point where, relative to that session, the green sun hadn't yet been destroyed.

[Overcast]

But the http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/greenmotherfuckingsun.gif exists outside of conventional spacetime doesn't it? And wasn't the creation of the scratch a conscious decision on the part of the players/trolls?

[Art of Hilt]

this update is the best and it should feel the best (to read)

[Overcast]

Dammit Eridan.

[Aldurin]

ERIDAN FUCK YES!!

[BitVyper]

I am getting a distinct Courts of Chaos/Amber feel from the Gods/Skaia (or maybe Green Sun). In general, both seem to be interested in perpetuating the cycle of universes, but they also seem to be in conflict. That conflict may be what allows reality as we know it. Something tells me that either one "winning" would be a very bad thing.

I remain unconvinced that Snowman is a necessary step for summoning Lord English. While her purpose may result in that or be achieved through that, I don't think it's that simple. Based on what we've been told, a Snowman-like entity is unnecessary for Lord English.

I'm guessing the Scratch is what gets Rose to the Green Sun (although I won't rule out it being a result of her blowing up the same), which would be why it enrages Jack. Either he'd have to have found out about the Alternia-verse through his own nigh-omnipotence, or some other means. That said, I'm not entirely certain why he'd go there. It can't just be anger driving him, or he'd kill all the kids first, and since the title of the comic is Homestuck, not Hivebent, I'm guessing that won't happen. I can only imagine that it's an incredibly desperate attempt to stop this shit from ever happening, which obviously can't work.

Anyway, the fact that we're going to be dealing with a realm outside of time does a lot to explain what the timelines look like post-Scratch.

All of this seems to lend more credence to Lord English = Bilious Slick, but I'm still not super fond of that theory - maybe when we have more info. It certainly makes Jack seem like less of a threat, since he's basically already dealt with.

Edit: One possibility is that Snowman exists because Doc Scratch wants to get his job over with as fast as possible so he can die. I could sorta see that, I guess. If he has a Dr. Manhattan-like existence, then it might be necessary for him to actually exist up to when his boss enters the universe in order for his awareness to extend that far. But then, it seems like he was perfectly happy to exist so long as he had a purpose to ensure.

Edit: But then you wouldn't really expect a First Guardian to outlive its universe anyway, so he wouldn't especially need Rose to help facilitate any of this. There's surely a million other ways Snowman could meet her end. If that could end him, that is.

[Dracorion]

I am getting a distinct Courts of Chaos/Amber feel from the Gods/Skaia (or maybe Green Sun). In general, both seem to be interested in perpetuating the cycle of universes, but they also seem to be in conflict. That conflict may be what allows reality as we know it. Something tells me that either one "winning" would be a very bad thing.

One could also consider that the whole "Black wins" thing with Derse and Prospit might also extend to Skaia and the Horrorterrors themselves.

It'd be like, poetic or something.

Also hey, Prince of Hope.

[Locke cole]

White wizard Eridan. PFfffhahaha.

Prince of Hope. PFFFFFAHAHAHA!

She's actually teaching him magic? PFFFFFHAHAHAHAH!

[Flarecobra]

Part of her trollhandle does mean "A helpful woman" after all.

So she's a helper!

[synkr0nized]

Looks more like she's humoring him, though perhaps she has taught him something for real in the process.

In either case, a Kanaya update is a good update, and more Rose is nice too.

[Geminex]

Kanaya is actually really adorable.

Also, I totally sympathize with her inability to communicate.

[Specterbane]

Looks more like she's humoring him...

Don't you think that could be said to be the only reason a troll would help another troll without a Red/Black-Rom reason? To get them off their back?

[Loyal]

Don't you think that could be said to be the only reason a troll would help another troll without a Red/Black-Rom reason? To get them off their back?Well yeah, just look at Sollux.

Jade makes for the most adorable punk ever. (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?33296-Rom8ntic-Fan8rt-8-All-the-romance-all-of-it!&p=4363540&viewfull=1#post4363540)

[POS Industries]

Don't you think that could be said to be the only reason a troll would help another troll without a Red/Black-Rom reason? To get them off their back?
Except that she's playing auspistice to Eridan's blackrom for Rose by doing so.

[BitVyper]

Nah, an auspictice STOPS blackrom by mediating. Kanaya's actions, if anything, are promoting it by giving Eridan something to fight back with.

I don't think it's particularly romantic under any of the quadrants.

Edit: Not that there's even the slightest chance of blackrom from Rose's side as it stands.

[Flarecobra]

And watch as she makes the wand explode for no reason.

[Art of Hilt]

Eridan is going to contact Rose again.
Then he's going to threaten her with magic and try to blow up her computing device.
But because he only casts white magic instead of exploding it runs a scan and wipes up all the viruses.

also while eridan was certainly dramatic i have to maintain that the rose/kanaya interaction was the best and also the most adorable part of the update sorry seadwwellers

[BitVyper]

Does Eridan even have a secibus for that wand?

[Loyal]

I don't see why he wouldn't.

[BitVyper]

I suppose he could have had one for his fakey fake wands.

[MuMu]

He could just attach the wand to his rifle, like a bayoneta.

[Aldurin]

I believe the green sun will be harder to destroy. (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1818546830)

Particularly because Rose will have to navigate through Dave's room while using the outer universe as the starting point.

[Grimpond]

Stop being terrible and then we'll consider considering your ideas

[Marc v4.0]

bayonette or bayonet

[Flarecobra]

So.... Taviros accidentally killed Grandpa?

[Wigmund]

There's reasons small children shouldn't play with loaded flintlocks pistols.

[BitVyper]

So.... Taviros accidentally killed Grandpa?

Nah, the log seems to indicate that Tavros didn't direct Bec to put the gun anywhere specific. So either it was random chance, or Bec's personal doing.

Besides, Tavros wouldn't have been able to see Jade's grandpa, since he wasn't with Jade at the time. Of course, it is possible that he's joking a bit there, and it totally was intentional and he was like "and just use it to kill that guy that I saw before," but I can't imagine it would have happened without Bec wanting it to happen in that case.

[Arcanum]

So Flare is right that Tavros accidentally killed grandpa :P

[Locke cole]

Nah, the log seems to indicate that Tavros didn't direct Bec to put the gun anywhere specific. So either it was random chance, or Bec's personal doing.

Besides, Tavros wouldn't have been able to see Jade's grandpa, since he wasn't with Jade at the time. Of course, it is possible that he's joking a bit there, and it totally was intentional and he was like "and just use it to kill that guy that I saw before," but I can't imagine it would have happened without Bec wanting it to happen in that case.

I doubt Terezi's dragon wanted to make her stare into the sun, but here we are.

[Dracorion]

Terezi's dragon wasn't a First Guardian.

It's a wonder Tavros' power even works. Makes me wonder if Vriska's might work on Scratch.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well.

Interested in seeing Jade's reaction to this.

edit: Also, I find it notable that Tavros can apparently commune with a FIRST GUARDIAN that is in another universe, while Vriska seems to struggle to do anything other than put them to sleep/wake them up.

[Loyal]

Well...
AA: y0u picked a t0ugh class tavr0s!
AA: n0ne 0f the really useful c0mbat abilities c0me int0 play until y0u reach a very high level
AA: but i supp0se it will be rewarding when y0u get there This might mean nothing whatsoever. But hey.

[Locke cole]

Well.

Interested in seeing Jade's reaction to this.

edit: Also, I find it notable that Tavros can apparently commune with a FIRST GUARDIAN that is in another universe, while Vriska seems to struggle to do anything other than put them to sleep/wake them up.

Reminds me of how she had to pull a PSYCHIC DOUBLE REACHAROUND to get Terezi to do anything. As in, she had to make Tavros (easily) control the one creature who could control Terezi.

Tavros's power might be a bit narrower than Vriska's, but it seems to be stronger.

Which makes sense, because the lower-blooded trolls are the most psychic.

[Dracorion]

Also, there's the fact that human and presumably Troll and Cue Ball First Guardian minds are complex.

Animals, not quite so complex.

[Arcanum]

Also wasn't it said that Vriska could only put humans to sleep because of the huge differences in Troll and Human physiology? I know it wasn't stated as the definitive reason she could only put them to sleep, but it was mentioned as a possible reason. Meanwhile Tavros could also control the creatures in the Medium, showing that he can control any animal, regardless of the type of animal they are.

[Premmy]

I doubt Terezi's dragon wanted to make her stare into the sun, but here we are.

Or.. ORRR, maybe Bec always secretly hated Grandpa... maybe that.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I was mostly referring to how they were across dimensions.

Also wasn't it said that Vriska could only put humans to sleep because of the huge differences in Troll and Human physiology?

I do not recall this being said. Can you find a link to this bit of info?

[Premmy]

Here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004874)
I would imagine, since Tavros already controls things way different from himself, controlling earth animals isn't that much trouble.
As for crossing dimensions, it probably has something to do with being in the Veil as opposed to their home dimension

[BitVyper]

So Flare is right that Tavros accidentally killed grandpa :P

No. That is not how responsibility works.

Assuming he just told Bec to save Jade, of course. In that case he is not directly, indirectly or even accidentally responsible for the death of Jade's grandpa. That's like blaming the guy who says "don't hit that pedestrian" when you choose to swerve into a schoolyard full of children.

Unless he intentionally had Bec redirect the bullet into Jade's grandpa, Tavros did not fuck up in any way.

Edit: However, rereading the log, I'm becoming more inclined to think he may well have done it intentionally.

[Arcanum]

Tavros told Bec to save Jade. Bec saved Jade by teleporting the guns away. The result of said gun teleportation was the death of Grandpa. Tavros is the reason Bec teleported the guns in the first place, i.e. he's responsible for Bec teleporting the guns, and therefore accidentally responsible for the death of grandpa.

[Art of Hilt]

aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
aaaha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
oh tavros
so terrible

[Loyal]

Tavros told Bec to save Jade. Bec saved Jade by teleporting the guns away. The result of said gun teleportation was the death of Grandpa. Tavros is the reason Bec teleported the guns in the first place, i.e. he's responsible for Bec teleporting the guns, and therefore accidentally responsible for the death of grandpa.Nnnnope.

That's still not how responsibility works.

I'm inclined to believe that he did tell Bec to redirect the bullet into Grandpa's waiting lungs (I get the feeling Bec wouldn't have needed Tavros' urging to intervene), but as far as the "Bec chose to do it himself" scenario is concerned, Tavros is not at fault.

[Overcast]

Assumption, assumption. Just because he sounds mischievous does not make him guilty. We only need wait and see and he will likely be forced to state clearly if he killed grandpa purposely because he lacks the ability to hold his ground when forced. Except in kissing the girl.

[Arcanum]

I remain adamant that my opinion is right despite overwhelming arguments to the contrary.

Totally not being serious.

[Premmy]

Is the doll Jade was Scared of the same as the doll John was going to prototype her sprite with?

[Marc v4.0]

Yes

[Dracorion]

I guess that solves the mystery of how the doll lost an eye and an arm.

Not that anyone was wondering.

Also, I can't believe Tavros is still taking lessons from Vriska.

[BitVyper]

Looks like it. Also hahaha, oh man Tavros is screwed up.

[Premmy]

That could have been another Lil' Cal scenario, possibly with Jade curled up in the fetal position. Although, it's possible the missing eye and such was a result of Jade overcoming her fear via destruction. Which would mean prototyping the doll would have led to jade attacking her sprite

[Dracorion]

Or her sprite attacking Jade in revenge.

Now I'm wondering of John or Jade or Bec or Grandma is going to get shot by a baby dual-wielding flintlock pistols.

[Premmy]

Or Bro's Corpse...
Edit: Did we actually SEE Bec Noir run Bro through?

[Overcast]

Okay I take back my bit on Tavros and his personality. He has fucked up himself in a serious way by some measure of idiot logic and Rufio.

[Dracorion]

Oh for God's sakes Premmy not you too.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/douchebag6.jpg
Do you want to be like Earl? Do you? Do you want to be a douchebag

We saw Bro with a goddamned sword sticking out of him, blood all over the goddamn place, and his glasses and puppet in his murderer's possession.

That's dead enough for me.

[Arcanum]

Edit: Did we actually SEE Bec Noir run Bro through?

Looks pretty (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004828) dead to me (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004832)

[PCD]

I forsee buttloads of wank arising as a result of that line about being disabled and confidence levels.

I thought that the doll only got damaged as John was pulling it out of the junk pile?

[Arcanum]

I thought that the doll only got damaged as John was pulling it out of the junk pile?

It looks pretty intact here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004789). I think John just mutilated it in order to try and debilitate Jack.

[Premmy]

You're both misinterpreting my post

A dead body is a dead body, but a dead body with a sword through it isn't necessarily a stabbing victim. A dead body with a gunshot wound and a sword through it might just be a time-displaced dual-flintlock wielding baby drive-by victim.

[Aldurin]

As I read Tavros' good intentions for that I still keep thinking "but he still shot Grandpa Harley".

Tavros is now not as cool as before for totally intentionally killing Grandpa out of cultural insensitivity.

[The Argent Lord]

As I read Tavros' good intentions for that I still keep thinking "but he still shot Grandpa Harley".

Tavros is now not as cool as before for totally intentionally killing Grandpa out of cultural insensitivity.

Okay so imagine you're a human. And you're looking in on another universe via magical computer program shenanigans. Specifically, looking in on someone as a baby who will be important later in life. They are in imminent danger from a projectile. You have the means to deflect that projectile. There is also a hideous beast of some sort in the area, who you could easily deflect that projectile into, killing it. Would you do so? Oops, you just killed a troll's lusus. What an asshole, you intentionally killed his guardian out of cultural insensitivity.

[POS Industries]

I guess that solves the mystery of how the doll lost an eye and an arm.
I thought the mystery was solved by John being shown causing the damage during [S] Jade: Enter when he was pulling it free of the pile.

As I read Tavros' good intentions for that I still keep thinking "but he still shot Grandpa Harley".
As I read Tavros' being a giant dick to Jade about how he's not going to let murdering her grandfather get him down I still keep thinking "when did Tavros become such a giant dick?"

[Dracorion]

Yeah, I didn't remember that.

[Bard The 5th LW]

As I read Tavros' being a giant dick to Jade about how he's not going to let murdering her grandfather get him down I still keep thinking "when did Tavros become such a giant dick?"

Since Vriska.

[Arhra]

VRISKAAAAAAAAA!

I think he's trying to be more self confident....

poorly.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well Grandpa has to be pretty negligent if Jade can get a hold of his guns when she was but a larva.

[BitVyper]

Well Grandpa has to be pretty negligent if Jade can get a hold of his guns when she was but a larva.

Prospit's destruction is (was) Jade's Stavromula Beta (I feel like I've used this reference before in this thread). Of course, there's dead timelines and stuff, but if grandpa knew that much, then he'd probably also know that acting naturally is part of ensuring the timeline.

So he'd have a good, but also flawed reason to believe that Jade is safe.

Edit: Okay, Tavros, this is just getting painful. Jade's expression is absolutely fantastic.

[Art of Hilt]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
oh tavros
oh tavros, tavros, tavros.
admittedly, that must have taken some guts to do that right after telling a girl you effectively killed her grandpa
but man

jade handled it well though

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hopefully he has more dealings with Jade than Vriska in the near future.

[Kim]

Trolls are all doomed to romantic failure.

[Loyal]

Tavros has been getting lessons.

From Eridan.

[Aldurin]

This is even worse, now he's hitting on the the granddaughter of his victim? Seriously? Tavros is wielding his self-confidence in the same way a knight would hold down the trigger on a machine gun if he just upgraded from a sword.

[Loyal]

To be fair, his experience in romance involves being jumped off a cliff with his own brain, and being coerced into a wierd cosplay fantasy, both coming from the same person. It's entirely reasonable to assume that his wires are a bit tangled, as it were.

[Premmy]

I'm with loyal in that I can't really be mad or make fun of Poor Tavros. poor poor Tavros.

[Art of Hilt]

oh god how did my brain just get blown so hard
aha ha oh god tavros it just doesn't stop
it just doesn't fucking stop does it

[Dracorion]

Oh, Tavros.

[Kim]

Tavros is going to do something very dumb, and the very dumb thing that he does will be why Bec Noir still has powers after the Green Sun is destroyed.

[Loyal]

Agh. No. Tavros, bad. Put away the Commune-signal.

[BitVyper]

It's questionable as to whether he could even get Bec to do it. Maybe Bec's nature as a dog makes him vulnerable to something like that, or maybe before he was just responding to a pretty reasonable suggestion. Tavros communes, he doesn't command, so it's more like he's just very convincing than that he has control. Which makes sense for the Page of Breath.

The trouble with figuring out whether Bec has done something by his own will or not is that whatever he ends up doing plays into the grand plan, which is what his job is to ensure anyway.

I'd like to know if it's possible for a First Guardian to truly fail. I mean, aborted timelines don't really count, since they're necessary for the alpha timeline. And failed sessions are all part of the grand plan too. I guess the only way an instrument of fate can be considered to have failed is if fate gets busted, which I suppose is what all of this is going to amount to, but then, that seems to have been the point all along too.

[Viridis]

Oh god Vriska. Tavros, kindly snap and fly the fuck off the chain or something.

[Arhra]

Oh, so Vriska's the cause of Jade's narcolepsy.

WHAT A TWEEEEEEEST

[Premmy]

Oh god Vriska. Tavros, kindly snap and fly the fuck off the chain or something.

Hold on, bit of an issue here....

The thing about the hook and/or the chain (these metaphorical objects being interchangeable) is that you cannot "fly off" them, you are either on or off of them, no action recquired.... You can fly off the handle, but not off the hook/chain.

Put simply off the hook/chain is a state of being, flying off the handle is an action.

[BitVyper]

Oh, so Vriska's the cause of Jade's narcolepsy.

WHAT A TWEEEEEEEST

I think someone actually suggested it earlier. Makes for a good way to get rid of it once it stops being relevant.

I actually have no problem with what Vriska's saying to Tavros for the most part. Not even the tone.

Well, up to where she starts telling him to try and make Bec go after Jack anyway.

[Dracorion]

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if Jade's narcolepsy isn't Vriska putting her to sleep over and over.

Yeah, that was me.

e-Peen:

Before:
<===3

After:
<===============3

[Marc v4.0]

Calling it now, Vriska fucks up the Green Sun plan any way she can

[Donomni]

Will something ever go right for Tavros, like, for good?

The answer is no. Even when you think he's gotten something good, it will still go bad for him.

I mean, them legs, THEM STAIRS.

[Locke cole]

Oh, so Vriska's the cause of Jade's narcolepsy.

WHAT A TWEEEEEEEST

And she calls Jade uselsess for succumbing to it. So very Vriska.

Hold on, bit of an issue here....

The thing about the hook and/or the chain (these metaphorical objects being interchangeable) is that you cannot "fly off" them, you are either on or off of them, no action recquired.... You can fly off the handle, but not off the hook/chain.

Put simply off the hook/chain is a state of being, flying off the handle is an action.

But the hook/chain are objects. Objects that can be flown off of.

[Art of Hilt]

the thing we should ask ourselves is:
Other than calling Jade useless and the general bitchy tone she used, is there anything Vriska said there that was actually incorrect?

[Bard The 5th LW]

BE STRONG TAV.

BE STRONG AND NOT RETARDED.

[Geminex]

I'm surprised that no-one's speculated on the big even that made Tavros sleep off his misery. Vriska was obviously involved, and, apparently, he had some sort of chance. I have no idea what it is, though. Probably not communing-related, and probably happened after the Aradia-Vriska fight. Any ideas?

[Token]

Jade looks a lot more pissed than she seemed when she was typing...

[PCD]

I'm surprised that no-one's speculated on the big even that made Tavros sleep off his misery. Vriska was obviously involved, and, apparently, he had some sort of chance. I have no idea what it is, though. Probably not communing-related, and probably happened after the Aradia-Vriska fight. Any ideas?

My guess is it was the Aradia-Vriska fight. He just watched as Aradia beat Vriska to death, and it's possible he didn't even know about the Extra Life yet--either way, that's bound to leave him feeling pretty awful.

[Geminex]

Y'think that's it?
Vriska seems to think she had an active role in whatever happened, though.
And besides, I don't think that fight would affect him strongly. To begin with, he really couldn't do anything but watch. And he did interrupt Aradia's assault and get her to back off.

Besides, why'd he feel awful about Vriska getting hurt in revenge for killing someone?

[PCD]

Because it's Tavros.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah I'm of the opinion that it was Aradia killing Vriska. She probably became all hostile to him again afterwords because he was too pathetic to intervene.

[Art of Hilt]

oh god I just realized what the next update will be
a vision, from the future:

AG: In fact, I would go as far as saying that if you went ahead with her plan against her wishes, it MIGHT just earn you a smidgen of respect from me.
AG: We'll see.
AG: There's really just one catch.
AT: oH,
AT: wHAT'S THAT,

and then next update,

AG: HE'S ALREADY HERE, DUM8ASS! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!

[Premmy]

But the hook/chain are objects. Objects that can be flown off of.

The Hook, Chain and Handle are all metaphorical objects and thus what can or can't be done to them should best be viewed within the context of the metaphor they represent.

Being off the Hook/Chain is a state of being, The Hook/Chain representing both artificial involvement in one's behavior, and an unwanted amount of restraint, the imagery here is of being bound or unnecessarily attached to something. Being "off" the chain/hook signifies not having these restraints or attachments and being "free" . In this context it is not appropriate to say "He flew off the chain" because he is BOUND by the chains, thus, the closest thing would be "He flew out of the chains/ He broke the chains"

"flying off the handle" is an action. Things which have handles have them by design. When the handle Breaks or "flys" off, The object which had it generally doesn't work anymore, or no longer works to it's full capacity.
This is connected to the idea of "having a handle on things" When someone flies off of the more general "handle" they are therefore losing their composure, their reason, and their understanding.

Both of these concepts sound very similar, but there's a key difference.
Being "off the hook/Chain" is generally a positive thing, representing coolness, and open-ness. To be "off the hook/chain" is to be unfettered by arbitrary societal rules or boundaries to access a truer form of enjoyment or artistry.

"Flying off the hook" on the other hand represents losing ALL control, both good and bad, and "going crazy" the handle represents the "mind" that one "looses" when the action is taken, and very specifically, represents the moment at which this drastic change takes place.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I now change my opinion on Vriska.

Probably forever.

Vriska, we hate you please die.

[Kim]

Vriska is Lord English.

[Marc v4.0]

I'm starting to hate the "lol was Vriska all the time behind everything ever lol"

That's a bit of a boring explaination if you are going to start waving everything off as "A Vriska did it"

[Dracorion]

Honest to God, someone needs to take her trophy and shove it right up her ass.

[Bard The 5th LW]

When Aradia explodes, maybe it'll take her arm and eye away again.

[Token]

That's sort of impossible, seeing as Rufio is Lord English.

[Kim]

Vriska is also Rufio.

[Art of Hilt]

WELP
I WAS FUCKING WRONG, LOOKS LIKE

also hey now we know how she killed dave

[Wigmund]

Godammit, I hope one of the upcoming updates is Rose owning Vriska when Spider8itch tries to pull this bullshit on her.

[PCD]

Hussie we know you have a hardon for this fat little nubsucker but god damn it can you please give her a rest.

[Fifthfiend]

Ugh she can pretty much go ahead and choke to death on her Nicholas Cage posters.

[BitVyper]

Yay Vriska!

[mauve]

All in favor of Tavros finally snapping, and in a display of glorious poetic justice, kicking the everloving shit out of Vriska, say aye.

I for one would totally support this idea.

[Flarecobra]

Damnit Vriska.

[Krylo]

Vriska: Having a better grasp on interdimensional temporal mechanics than the average forum goer since 2010.

[Bard The 5th LW]

But if she didn't do it then it never would have happened for her to make it happen anyways in the first place.

And 'it would happen anyways' is becoming a really sour justification.

[Krylo]

If she hadn't done it the kid's session (and maybe the Troll session) would have been aborted, and/or something would have happened to make her do it.

There's no choice involved. No matter what choices she makes, Bec Noir is THERE. In the Troll Session. She can't change that. That's not how time works in the Homestuck universe.

Any attempt to change ANYTHING results in at least one aborted universe. See: Terezi vis a vis getting John killed to see if it was possible for her to change things.

They can't.

Vriska wanting to be the one to create Bec Noir isn't what created Bec Noir. Bec Noir was fated to exist, and there's nothing anyone could have possibly done at any point, troll or human, to stop Bec Noir from existing without also indirectly murdering everyone in at least one of their universes and causing some sort of reboot involving Dave and/or Aradia.

In short, if Vriska hadn't done it, Dave or Aradia would have had to.

Further, No Bec = Dead Jade long before Jade ever even gets the discs.

Edit: P.S. This is why I don't like the whole 'all time loops must be perfectly stable' version of time travel in my fiction. It removes all pretense of choice or free will from the characters.

[Art of Hilt]

i think the issue people have is much less what vriska literally did and more that she is shown to be retroactively responsible for both jade's narcolepsy and dd stealing the MEOW code, which happened before she was even introduced, at the same time

so it's kind of like, "Oh, come on".

but at the same time, how DD knew where to get the MEOW code had been a mystery which is now solved

but still

i need the next update so bad right now because jesus

[Loyal]

Yes, it's a stable time loop that's fated to happen, because it already happened in the first place.

Because Vriska did it.

Weird Time Shit works both ways.

[Krylo]

Yes, it's a stable time loop that's fated to happen, because it already happened in the first place.

Because Vriska did it.

Weird Time Shit works both ways.

Except it doesn't.

It only works one way.

Vriska did it AFTER Bec Noir was in her session. At that point all pretense of choice or free will was removed from every troll vis a vis the kid's session.

[POS Industries]

Further, No Bec = Dead Jade long before Jade ever even gets the discs.
Or before she got her present from John from the future, prompting her to seek out the other kids, which is quite probably the very reason the four of them ever knew of each other in the first place, meaning No Bec = Dead Jade = Dead John, Rose, Dave, Dad, Mom, Bro, and Grandpa when the meteors began since they didn't have any friends to pull them into the Medium.

Every bad thing is her fault, but every good thing in the kids' universe is possible because of her actions, as well.

[Loyal]

It happened, because Vriska made it happen, because it had already happened, because Vriska made it happen, because it had already happened, because Vriska made it happen, etcetera.

No matter how you slice it, however inevitable it was, Vriska is still responsible.

...Vriska is Lord English.

[POS Industries]

Well, technically, Vriska (along with the other trolls) is God. It's just that she's the only one actually playing the role.

[Aldurin]

It's all Aradia's fault for not having the prudence to kill Vriska twice, or at least damage the part of her brain that gives her that power.

[Krylo]

It happened, because Vriska made it happen, because it had already happened, because Vriska made it happen, because it had already happened, because Vriska made it happen, etcetera.

No matter how you slice it, however inevitable it was, Vriska is still responsible.

...Vriska is Lord English.

Actually it's more like Vriska made it happen because it had already happened, etc. etc.

Had it not already happened, Vriska wouldn't have felt the need to be the one responsible for it, and thus wouldn't have done it, and therefore it wouldn't have happened, thus Vriska wouldn't have felt the need to be the one responsible, etc.

Vriska may seem like the start of the time loop, but there is no actual start. Both events--Bec Noir's Entrance, and Vriska's Weird Time Shit--relied on the other. Both happened only as a direct result of the other.

Also, what POS said at the end of the last page. The kids are only alive because of Vriska making Bec.

[Dracorion]

Honest to God, when all this shit blows up in Vriska's face, hopefully literally, I will smile like a smug son of a bitch.

Like Tavros in this page. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003496) Sick fires optional.

That being said:

>Tavros: Engage Hero Mode
ENGAGE HERO MODE NOW DO IT
BOY YOU ENGAGE HERO MODE RIGHT THIS INSTANT
ENGAGE HERO MODE ENGAGE HERO MODE ENGAGE HERO MODE

[Fifthfiend]

Even if you excuse Vriska's moral culpability for the known, supposedly inevitable results of her actions, which you can't*, that still doesn't change that she does them in the shittiest, most douchey, manipulative, likely-to-get-people-killed manner possible, which has fuck-all to do with her predestination.

And regardless of how you interpret the beginning or end or whatever of the time loop, the entire thing unavoidably hinges on the fact that Vriska is a terrible person who, presented with a set of terrible options, will enthusiastically carry them out, for the sake of feeding her insane, terrible-person ego.


*Or I mean you can but like I've said, I don't know why anyone would keep reading this comic, since at that point it's not a story about characters and events and meaning, it's just a series of drawings of God jacking off.

[POS Industries]

likely-to-get-people-killed manner possible
It's still killing less people than if she acted differently!

But yeah, she's a completely terrible person.

[Krylo]

*Or I mean you can but like I've said, I don't know why anyone would keep reading this comic, since at that point it's not a story about characters and events and meaning, it's just a series of drawings of God jacking off.

Edit: P.S. This is why I don't like the whole 'all time loops must be perfectly stable' version of time travel in my fiction. It removes all pretense of choice or free will from the characters.

Mostly, I'm reading it because Rose seems to be of the opinion that she has a way to fuck over the stable time loop system via Green Sun death.

[Dracorion]

Funny how we're all calling Vriska a horrible monster but at least she's trying not to make any splinter timelines.

Terezi, on the other hand, went and sent John straight through his seventh gate even though she knew there was a risk she'd end up making a splintered timeline. So she's responsible for the "deaths" of everyone in Davesprite's timeline.

That being said, I really do honestly hope Vriska dies before the end because goddammit she's terrible.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well we do have some pretty decent confirmation that shit is about to go down for her. Particularly, she plans on going head to head against Jack.

[Dracorion]

Much as I'd like it to be otherwise, Vriska isn't that stupid I think.

I doubt her plan is as simple as walking up to Jack and rolling her dice at him.

[POS Industries]

Mostly, I'm reading it because Rose seems to be of the opinion that she has a way to fuck over the stable time loop system via Green Sun death.
It's also apparent that there's a point where the predestination paradox isn't in effect: the point where the kids cross over into the trolls' universe. Plus there is a bit of a disagreement about the submission to fate amongst the characters. Rose is doing everything she can to subvert the time loop and break free while Dave is using it to his advantage and Vriska is trying to pretend like she's the one in control of it all along. Lord English's whole existence hinges on it, whereas Jack doesn't even seem to give a shit.

It's at least very up front about the nature of the stable time loop and an interesting exploration about how people who are knowingly stuck in one would deal with the situation. I mean, at least it's not an out of left field plot twist used to set up a simple brick joke after 10 years or anything.

I mean, that'd just be silly.

[Art of Hilt]

You know.
I think it's safe to say that, at least on some level, Vriska is being presented as a villain again.

[Aldurin]

These circumstances of the paradox-death make sense. Not only is this Droog but also he has the well known advantage of spears/lances over swords, now if Dave used axes on the other hand . . .

[Archbio]

Or I mean you can but like I've said, I don't know why anyone would keep reading this comic, since at that point it's not a story about characters and events and meaning, it's just a series of drawings of God jacking off.

Battlestar Galactica: The Webcomic?

[Locke cole]

So, Vriska is responsible for everything ever forever, including (especially) everything that's gone wrong.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

And Tavros... OK, now isn't quite the time for standing up for yourself. Now's about the time to get the hell away from Vriska.

[Overcast]

And Tavros... OK, now isn't quite the time for standing up for yourself. Now's about the time to get the hell away from Vriska.

When isn't it time for that?

[Locke cole]

When isn't it time for that?

Point.

[POS Industries]

And Tavros... OK, now isn't quite the time for standing up for yourself. Now's about the time to get the hell away from Vriska.
I honestly can't think of a better time, actually, as he's not just standing up for himself, he's standing up for an entire universe. Two entire universes, in fact. He's our last hope.

Also, Vriska's in her Cage shrine room on the other side of the compound from the computer terminal Tavros is on. He can't possibly get any further away from her.

[Locke cole]

That's also true. I don't know, I've sort of been conditioned to slap mental warning labels to every conversation with Vriska.

I mean, being physically distant from her doesn't stop her from manipul8ting ya.

[Krylo]

Neither does not talking to her.

If you're Tavros, at least.

[Art of Hilt]

You know, I've been thinking.
The fact that Vriska is revealing all this just means that the rest of the trolls are going to find out about her so called lockdown.
After all, if we take this as the death Karkat warned Dave about (since it was the focus in the images), then that means Karkat knows about it.
As well as the rest of the trolls.

Let's face it. Even though Vriska likes to talk a big game about her understanding and manipulation of time, she's still susceptible. She doesn't seem to understand to degree in which this is the case. From something as small as time shenanigans allowing John to discover her name, to the hints that Terezi manipulates her into putting Dave to sleep whenever she wants.

Vriska says that the whole session is under Serket lockdown. But how much is that actually true, and how much of that is just boasting from a position of ignorance of her place in the greater scheme of things?

I'm interested in how Terezi in particular would react once she inevitably finds out, since there's no way for her not to because, let's face it. Terezi.
My attention is engaged.


EDIT- And after I wrote that, I saw Andrew's formspring response about Vriska, which should be read (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1836068087).

It was interesting seeing Andrew say this:

And this doesn't mean we should take her at her word when she says she's behind "everything". That's obviously how she would view it of course. But to take that literally would be to underestimate the complexity of what's going on. There's a lot happening, and really she's just another cog, even if it's a major one.

[Donomni]

Vriska was designed to be a good troll in the purest sense of the word. She gets people legitimately riled up. Both in the story, and even more importantly, outside it.

Goddammit, Andrew.

[Locke cole]

Nepeta is officially a minor character.

3:

[Premmy]

I knowwww, right?

[PCD]

Yeah, Hussie definitely succeeded in making a character that gets people riled up. God I hate this girl right now. I don't care if what she's done is necessary for the plot or inevitable because it was always going to happen. I just don't like her, full stop.

[Aldurin]

Nepeta is officially a minor character.

3:

Who?

[Art of Hilt]

the juggalo troll

[POS Industries]

If you're waiting for me to fire up NEPETAQUEST 2011, don't hold your breath.
NO FUCK YOU IT'S HAPPENING

Spoiler alert: Belly rubs help her resurrect Bro!

[Art of Hilt]

tavros

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha