Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Geminex]

And Kanaya is so involve in relationships, she's definitely TP.
She's just missing the O.

[Wigmund]

I guess this turn of events means that the dark bec head in the lower right corner here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002697) is WV.

[Arcanum]

Or it's just a silhouette of Bec's head since at that point nobody knew what Bec looked like and that's what it was hinting at. The silhouette also goes along with this description in the text: "and as the sopor seeps from your eyes they detect a sharp pair of ears cutting moonlight" just like how the paw print on the other side goes with: "To hear one night those muted pawpads traipse up your stairs."

[Wigmund]

Oh god...he's got a monocle...

[Specterbane]

Well he's a mayor, what did you expect?

[Archbio]

I sure hope there isn't any useful information about the plot in the text for those pages.

[Loyal]

This about sums it up. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002697) Or will sum it up when the updates finish, anyway. We're currently at "Would not this proud long snout assist you in the hunt? "

[Wigmund]

He exploded...and became a cute version of Bec Noir.

[PCD]

Well at least it's only slightly completely terrifying

[POS Industries]

This about sums it up. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002697) Or will sum it up when the updates finish, anyway. We're currently at "Would not this proud long snout assist you in the hunt? "
If this eventually ends with "You eat a weird bug and don't even care" I'm going to be heartbroken.

[Loyal]

If this eventually ends with "You eat a weird bug and don't even care" I'm going to be heartbroken.We all know already that it's good as happened. We just haven't gotten there yet.

[Art of Hilt]

it's your fault wv
they trusted you and you killed them
it is your fault it is your fault it is your fault it is your fault and you killed them

[POS Industries]

Nice callback to here. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?game=save&s=6&p=004455)

To bring every circle closed, her partner and rival would have to be guided in tandem. The Thief and the Seer were to serve as twin lashes of the scourge cracked by a quasiroyal against her own former kingdom to settle a score. To make him pay. Scourge's black inches would rip red miles through Derse, and the bright rivers gushing from its wounds would wash her mutineers down the drains of exile. In time they would have to answer for their treason.

Patience would be necessary. But then, she'd recently come into all the time in the universe.

[Art of Hilt]

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac298/XxEnoAsaIxX/Vriskadance.gif?t=1293939892

VRIIIIIIIISKAAAAAAAA

[Wigmund]

Dammit Hilt, I wanted to use that gif.

I hope he eats her. That would be great.

[Flarecobra]

....Well, once again.

Damnit Vriska. She just HAS to steal the spotli...

Oh yeah, thief. Carry on.

[Fifthfiend]

You can always count on Vriska to turn anything remotely interesting into boring, plodding shit.

[Token]

..-. ..- -.-. -.- .. -. --. / .... ..- ... ... .. . -.-.--

[Art of Hilt]

btw this doesn't necessarily have to be something that Vriska did, like, it doesn't have to be another iron in her gigantic blaze of a fire.

it could just be this:

1) This is a dream so it's probably entirely constructed out of WV's memories.
2) Which means WV must have seen Vriska at some point.
3) Which means the trolls get successfully transported into the kids' session.
4) And that WV won't get exiled until after the kids' Rift.

And Vriska becomes a symbol of self-doubt in WV's head because of something she says.


It might be more than that but it doesn't have to be.

[PCD]

We knew that WV knows about Vriska because he knows that John is the Thief's Apprentice. This is just further confirmation of that fact.

[Art of Hilt]

The thing about that is because he knew because the narrator "told" him so it wasn't 100% confirmation of him having ever had contact with her or if it's just the narrator imparting information

But yeah this is possibly more definite confirmation of that fact

As opposed to what some people are saying about her somehow being able to manipulate his dreams on earth somehow??? Which I guess isn't impossible but how would she even know about him in the first place.

[POS Industries]

More than likely she was able to manipulate him on Skaia, much like she did with the Courtyard Droll, making him aware of her, though probably not really understanding who or what she was in any degree of complexity.

Her invading his mind when he first found the ring could very well be the reasons he's been so against putting it on ever since.

[Art of Hilt]

the thing is I can't really imagine a scenario in which she'd want to manipulate WV and not make him walk over and just hand over the ring to her or John since she's so intent on him not wearing it himself

[Dracorion]

Same reason she wanted Tavros to kill her but didn't make him do it? Maybe she wants him to grow as a player or something.

Hell, I don't even know. At this point the only reason Vriska does anything is because

BLUH BLUH
HUGE TROLL

In any case, there'd be no reason in making WV hand the ring over to her or John since neither of them can use it and all the other Dersites and Prospitians are dead or exiled.

[Art of Hilt]

I don't know if you're going to go as far as to mindrape someone just because you don't want him to put on a ring you might as well just take the ring away from him, you know?

Anyway mostly I am taking these events as confirmation that 1) WV will see the trolls before he gets exiled 2) Vriska will wear her god tier outfit again in the story aww yeaah

[Locke cole]

the thing is I can't really imagine a scenario in which she'd want to manipulate WV and not make him walk over and just hand over the ring to her or John since she's so intent on him not wearing it himself

...Because he can't exactly just "walk over" to the Alternian universe?

[POS Industries]

Also because she knows that she can't actually alter the passage of events in the kids' timeline, and she knows WV gets the ring, so all she could do was be a pain in the ass, invade WV's mind, tell him not to use it, and then act all smug about being responsible for something she already knew was going to happen.

[Art of Hilt]

...Because he can't exactly just "walk over" to the Alternian universe?

... John isn't in the Alternian universe???
Also I've been working under the assumption that WV gets exiled after the Rift meaning that Vriska can meet him in person and also not know anything about predestination stuff. And if Vriska can meet him in person then couldn't she just take the ring from him by force?

It's possible that she's doing the long distance mind control thing I mean there's no real reason why that wouldn't be the case but I dunno something just seems off about that.

[Dracorion]

Again:

Why the hell would she want to take the ring from him? There's no one else to use it!

Not even to destroy it, because Jack doesn't have the second ring when he enters.

Hell, you don't even know that Jack and WV meet in the Trolls' session. It could very well happen on Alternia.

[Art of Hilt]

Why the hell would she want to take the ring from him? There's no one else to use it!


what I already answered this.
Because apparently she doesn't want him to use it. Why would she care if there's no one else to use it if she doesn't want him to use it??

[Dracorion]

Wait what?

Where the hell does it say she doesn't want him to use it? She doesn't even know WV! Except for the few times John saw him, she wouldn't have been able to see him.

And WV's dream is hardly defining evidence.

[Arcanum]

It's not like it matters what Vriska says to WV or tries to get him to do or anything like that because, as stated before,

You eat a weird bug and don't even care.

But for serious, I had some theories as to why WV can see Vriska even though I doubt they ever have/will meet, but they all kind of fell apart as I was writing them. So I'll just wait for the next update(s) and see what the heck happens.

[Art of Hilt]

Wait what?

Where the hell does it say she doesn't want him to use it? She doesn't even know WV! Except for the few times John saw him, she wouldn't have been able to see him.

And WV's dream is hardly defining evidence.

I
don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.
My point was that it doesn't have to be the case that Vriska manipulated WV.
And that if it WAS the case, then it's weird because of all the stuff I said.

[Locke cole]

... John isn't in the Alternian universe???
Also I've been working under the assumption that WV gets exiled after the Rift meaning that Vriska can meet him in person and also not know anything about predestination stuff. And if Vriska can meet him in person then couldn't she just take the ring from him by force?


the thing is I can't really imagine a scenario in which she'd want to manipulate WV and not make him walk over and just hand over the ring to her or John since she's so intent on him not wearing it himself

Vriska isn't exactly a brief jaunt away. John could be, but A: John in the present time already has the ring. And B: WV can't exactly time-travel to give the ring to John now that he has the ring.

And if WV was exiled after the Rift... actually, there's a lot of things that make that extremely implausible. First of all, if he's in the same universe as Vriska (I.E. the Alternian one, which is the only way he could physically meet her), why is he wandering a planetwide desert instead of living in the city that Spades Slick made? Also: why would there be Skaianet stations made for the kids' cruxite artifacts if he was in the Alternian universe?

[Art of Hilt]

the what the who the what
John doesn't have the ring
how did the Alternian universe postRift get into this
and I'm not sure what's being argued here????

[Loyal]

Yeah, this argument is getting a little hard to follow. Recap please?

[Locke cole]

the what the who the what
John doesn't have the ring
how did the Alternian universe postRift get into this
and I'm not sure what's being argued here????

He doesn't have it "years in the future (but not many)", but he does have it in present time. Jack tried to steal it from him, but he managed to keep it when the überbunny checked Jack.

You said that Wayward Vagabond got exiled after the rift, which means that Vriska could meet him in person. Either that means that Wayward Vagabond goes to the Alternian universe (demonstratably wrong) or Vriska goes to the Earthling universe (why, when her target is in the Alternian universe?).

So, in summary, Vriska can't have WV give it to John (John isn't around when he has the ring, and when he is around, WV doesn't have it.) or to herself (in different universes).

[Art of Hilt]

He doesn't have it "years in the future (but not many)", but he does have it in present time. Jack tried to steal it from him, but he managed to keep it when the überbunny checked Jack.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/02646.gif
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/02647.gif
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/02659.gif

[Arcanum]

He doesn't have it "years in the future (but not many)", but he does have it in present time. Jack tried to steal it from him, but he managed to keep it when the überbunny checked Jack.

Yeah but then he tried to fly across a canyon to reunite with his Dad and Rose's Mom and then woke up, thus his dreamself disappeared and the ring fell and WV found it in the river. This happened shortly after Jack tried to steal it.

Never mind, ninja'd (with pictures even) by Hilt

[Locke cole]

...stupid out-of-date memories.
...stupid out-of-date wiki.

But anyway, it's only now that he's even put a thought to wearing the ring. (not) many years after Jack got Scratched.

[Art of Hilt]

(why, when her target is in the Alternian universe?).

Also it's already established that Vriska is trying to team up with John in person, she said so much herself.
That's why she's training him up in the first place, so they can both take down Jack together.

But anyway, it's only now that he's even put a thought to wearing the ring. (not) many years after Jack got Scratched.

The whole thing with the thing I brought up was that from Vriska's perspective it's weird for her to only be able to give WV self-doubts in the mind when she can have the opportunity to just take the thing from him entirely.
I'm not saying it's impossible that there are thus far unseen stuff preventing her from doing so in the future, I'm just saying it's just kind of weird.

[Loyal]

Also it's already established that Vriska is trying to team up with John in person, she said so much herself.
That's why she's training him up in the first place, so they can both take down Jack together.No, not quite. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004875)

[Art of Hilt]

The point was that it was implied that she knew about a future physical meet up and-
WELL FUCK NEVERMIND
FUCK
FUCK
MORE INSCRUTABLE BULLSHIT LOOKS LIKE

Guess we know now what god tiers do when they sleep they get to do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT

[Arcanum]

Or you could blame the Horrorterrors and their Dream Bubbles. That's the impression I got from it. Vriska's probably just in her God Tier outfit for when(if) Tavros shows up.

[Locke cole]

You know what'd be hilarious? If when Tavros does show up, Vriska tries to GANK HIS LUCK, and does absolutely nothing because when was the last time Tavros had any luck to speak of?

[Art of Hilt]

but because tavros doesn't have any luck, Vriska failing to gank his luck will give him a heart attack and kill him forever

[Dracorion]

Or she steals his bad luck.

[PCD]

Or rather it goes so low that it loops back around to good luck

[BitVyper]

What the hell does PLB stand for?

[Art of Hilt]

Picky Little Bitch.

[Aldurin]

Hussie's Formspring is turning into it's own little meme factory.

EDIT: Nonsie finally killed off enough competition to get GPD on an advertising slot, congrats.

[Menarker]

Latest comic has some errors apparently.

Basically, the movie posters that Vriska has. Troll culture is supposed to have run out of short titles for their movies, hence their titles are really closer to summaries.
Not the case in this latest page.

Unless Vriska actually procured an actual human poster from Earth and just doodled on it.

[Art of Hilt]

Unless Vriska actually procured an actual human poster from Earth and just doodled on it.

That is pretty much what she did since those are literally Nic Cage posters.
She's in love with human Earth Nic Cage that's the thing, those are all posters of the actual Nic Cage Earth movies.
word of god says she printed them off the internet because why shouldn't high tech labs have basic office equipment like printers.
And then she doodles features of herself on top of Meg Ryan.

e- also note the hearts drawn around the Nic Cages because Vriska doodled them around him because she has a huge girly celebrity crush

e/e- basically what i'm saying is that those are definitely not troll posters because she doesn't like a hypothetical troll nic cage she has a girly girly crush on our own earth nic cage

[Locke cole]

Latest comic has some errors apparently.

Basically, the movie posters that Vriska has. Troll culture is supposed to have run out of short titles for their movies, hence their titles are really closer to summaries.
Not the case in this latest page.

Unless Vriska actually procured an actual human poster from Earth and just doodled on it.

Or she reproduced a bunch of Nic Cage posters and then trolled her posters after her implied Nic Cage binge.

[BitVyper]

Note the absence of grey skin or horns on them.

Edit: Also take what Karkat says about troll movies with a grain of salt. It's reasonably likely that he was just being an ass.

[Intern Nin]

Nope, what Karkat said was actually true. If you look at the movie posters he has in his respiteblock at the beginning of Act V, the titles on them are all in tiny text and very, very long. He actually spends about five minutes reading the title of one of them.

And yeah, those are definitely posters of Earth Nic Cage's movies that Vriska alchemized. I'll bet her earlier trolling of John revolved around her trying to get the captchas of those posters.

[Pip Boy]

Am I the only one who finds it Ironic that Vriska in her god-tier dreamself appears to be a butterfly, a stark contrast to the spider persona she constantly maintained in life? COULD THIS BE SOME KIND OF INSIGHT INTO VRISKA'S CHARACTER? IS SHE A MEAN COLD SPIDER ON THE OUTSIDE BUT A CAREFREE, WHIMSICAL, WARM-NATURED BUTTERFLY ON THE INSIDE!? COULD IT BE THAT VRISKA JUST WANTED TO BE LOVED!? I think we should pull her wings off and watch her squirm around.

[Locke cole]

Nah, she's still a murderous luckfairy.

[Flarecobra]

e/e- basically what i'm saying is that those are definitely not troll posters because she doesn't like a hypothetical troll nic cage she has a girly girly crush on our own earth nic cage

She has a Marble Bust of Nick Cage. I'd say it's gone beyond crush, and moved on to obsession.

[Art of Hilt]

Like some kind of obsessive stalker type thing huh. Oh man, yeah.
Good thing Nic Cage is safe in another universe!
Just... like... WV...

...


...


D:

what is stopping her from invading nic cage's dreeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaams????????

[Specterbane]

Didn't you know? Nicholas Cage never sleeps, as such he's immune.

And dead at this point, very very dead.

[Archbio]

Picky Little Bitch.

I rue the day I ever visited formspring. It sure took the fun out of it.

Rue!

[synkr0nized]

This comic is not nearly as fun when read update-by-update. I'm kind of bored.

[Flarecobra]

Ladies and Gentleman.... I noticed this.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sandile_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29 Dave

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Waruvial_(Pok%C3%A9mon) Bro.

[Fifthfiend]

I rue the day I ever visited formspring. It sure took the fun out of it.

Rue!

If I wanted to watch some guy acting like a raging asshole while incessantly repeating what a totally awesome guy he is, I'd be reading LICD.

[Art of Hilt]

And dead at this point, very very dead.

To be fair they're both temporally displaced what with time being irrelevant across separate universes.
But yeah you're right Nic Cage wouldn't sleep and dream.
He is a vampire.

formspring

Well if it makes any of you happy, he did just disable his Formspring just now.

Y'know, sometimes you could just say "yep, what i do isn't perfect". 'cause it's true. HS is GREAT, I love it. But not perfect. Your storytelling isn't immaculate, everyone isn't dumber than you, and you are not always funny. Especially not on this page.


Well come on now I obviously agree. Unless this particular page is your first ever exposure to stuff I've said, you oughta know that.

I've copped so many times in so many different ways to the imperfection of HS and its function as something basically exploratory. Trying things out, seeing what works and what doesn't and learning from it. And also sticking up for the decisions and process that created it, imperfect though they are.

The problem is all that shit gets buried deep in Formspring and people forget, and it's not archived like a blog so it's hard to find again.

I think your point is one of improved diplomacy more than anything else. As an ambassador for my work, especially in the FS format for whatever reason, I'm pretty off the rails.

Whenever you're dealing with a serious artist, there is a decent chance you are dealing with someone who doesn't always care to be polished in diplomacy. I've heard that Picasso was kind of a dickhead. He probably didn't cut a whole lot of slack to someone who said, hey Pablo you stuck the eye in the wrong place, fuckass. He was a very important artist and had all these BIG IDEAS and the net result of it all was something great. Maybe his personal volatility was part of that package?

At the same time, someone would be perfectly justified, then and now, to say, hey Pablo, that painting looks like shit. I mean, some of his paintings really seriously did look like shit. And he would be equally justified in calling them PLBs for not "getting" it, and he probably did. He probably had his own term for those sons of bitches. He would be justified in doing so because he knew that everything he did, even the shitty stuff, was part of something bigger, even if only in his warped mind.

But that said, and everything said below, maybe this is all getting a bit distracting. That is, talking about myself and my views on my work and my views on the views of others. It is possibly getting JUST A LITTLE tedious, and maybe it's time to reel in the purpose of my Formspring exploits.

I mentioned a lot of stuff was getting buried. Maybe answering 1000+ poorly archived questions is getting into ridiculous territory. Maybe it's time to delete all the questions, clean the slate, and start new with a modified focus.

Whatever imperceptible benefit typing this is having, I'm sure as hell not DRAWING right now, that's for sure.

ps one of his other last answers was confirming slowdown of updates


edit edit here is his new formspring
http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures

[Fifthfiend]

.

If I wanted to watch some guy acting like a raging asshole while incessantly repeating what a totally awesome guy he is, I'd be reading LICD.

.

[Art of Hilt]

The answer I was quoting was arguably pretty much the opposite of that but okay I guess?
Good thing it got put in SWAP spoilers so people who don't want to read "Yeah HS is imperfect and FS is getting way too silly time to delete it and start over with something reasonable" don't have to, then.

[Archbio]

You forgot the bit about comparing himself to Picasso.

Which is the (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL135uL2XZA) opposite of the opposite of that.

[Art of Hilt]

Only if you want to ignore the purpose behind the comparison sure.
Which wasn't to say "I am as the best as Picasso" but was just to illustrate how he's seeing the experimenting artist/audience interaction using a famous example.
why am i even getting roped into being the dude's ambassador anyway what is this

[Fifthfiend]

"Yeah HS is imperfect"

If by that you mean "I can't help if you don't understand how I've ACTUALLY been totally forthcoming about Homestuck's flaws, you petty bitch"

Only if you want to ignore the purpose behind the comparison sure.

No, pretty sure AB caught the self-aggrandizement and further self-justification for calling people bitches.

why am i even getting roped into being the dude's ambassador anyway what is this

I would love to know who you think is holding the other end of that rope.

[Art of Hilt]

I would love to know who you think is holding the other end of that rope.

Probably someone who thinks it's silly making a deal of any magnitude about some internet person's comments on a disabled formspring ie myself

[Fifthfiend]

Probably someone who thinks it's silly making a deal of any magnitude about some internet person's comments on a disabled formspring ie myself

Guess it's a good thing you don't have a problem making a deal of people's comments on internet forums.

I mean if I were putting these posts up in a setting where I picked which responses to display and then deleted everything after I got done calling anyone who disagrees with me a bitchy idiot, then it'd just be silly of you to be all bothered about them.

[Archbio]

Probably someone who thinks it's silly making a deal of any magnitude about some internet person's comments on a disabled formspring ie myself

I assume "myself" here is actually someone's improbable screen name, and doesn't refer to Art of Hilt. As Art of Hilt themselves heralded the author's self justification regarding the formspring to this here thread, and therefore participated heavily in the "deal making" about it. Because that would be silly.

[Fifthfiend]

Probably the same sort of thing as like when people play Team Fortress 2 under the name "your own stupidity" or somesuch so that it's what displays every time a "YOU JUST GOT KILLED BY:" screen comes up.

Basically what I'm saying is I hate those guys.

...Especially cause they usually end up killing me a whole fucking lot of times.

[Archbio]

That's psychological warfare for you!

It advanced a lot since the days of usuxxor66. Which brings us back to the topic at hand. The circle is complete!

[Krylo]

Out of curiosity, if you hate the author and hate one of the most prominent characters and think the story is convoluted and ridiculous and impossible to follow...

Why are you here?

Is this like the Bleach thing you've got going?

[Art of Hilt]

I assume "myself" here is actually someone's improbable screen name, and doesn't refer to Art of Hilt. As Art of Hilt themselves heralded the author's self justification regarding the formspring to this here thread, and therefore participated heavily in the "deal making" about it. Because that would be silly.

No you are correct.
I am the Monica Lewinsky to Andrew Hussie's Clinton.
I am admitting this here, specifically so people can in the future make the highly apt comparison of myself to an abused wife, safe in the knowledge that there exists no one who would reasonably contradict such an extremely correct statement, save for a hypothetical third party logging in through his stolen wireless internet connection in a mental hospital.

e- I am also comparing Andrew Hussie to Clinton as an implication that he is literally as important as the president.
I just want to make it completely clear how I am viewing the entirety of this situation by eliminating any possible ambiguity in my comments.

[Krylo]

I am the Monica Lewinsky to Andrew Hussie's Clinton.
I am admitting this here, specifically so people can in the future make the highly apt comparison of myself to an abused wife

Lewinsky wasn't Clinton's wife, and I don't think she was abused.

[PCD]

Krylo, I like to think of Homestuck a bit like I do Heroes.

I continued watching Heroes long after I stopped liking it. Because I loved one character, and loved his lines, and loved the few times the story focused on him. I really didn't care about anyone else in the story, but I put up with them because of my love for Space-Time Japan Man. However, because 95% of the story focused around characters I didn't care about, it got really frustrating. My general lack of interest in them escalated to irritated dislike, just because they kept getting shoved into my face when all I wanted was the good parts.

Homestuck is Heroes, except all the really annoying stuff I don't care about is pressed down into one or two characters who are still rather central to the story and inescapable. But I still love so much of the others that I'm putting up with it.

[Art of Hilt]

It's less that I was saying that Monica Lewinsky was Clinton's wife as it is me saying that I would treat Hussie as Monica Lewinsky as would Clinton, and by extension of said treatment, one can also compare me to an abused wife.

e- Honestly I just don't view the things Hussie says as being necessarily aggrandizing. I mean, when he says 'PLB', I take that as a joke. It's pretty obvious, to me, that things like that aren't sincere statements. Maybe I'm wrong in this?

[POS Industries]

I think it's a valid opinion and, as much as I can understand how one man's attitude about his creative work on the internet might set others off (a valid opinion as well!), it's more than a bit unfair for someone who has your opinion to be ganged up on and personally attacked over it.

And that everyone involved should probably go ahead and cool their jets for a bit.

[PCD]

Personally, I've always known he was joking around. But I guess some people can only deal with someone saying something insulting, even as a joke, before they get tired of it and start seeing it as insensitive or passive-aggressive dickery. Other people don't mind that sort of thing at all and will laugh along with the jokes, because hey, why bother getting upset if they didn't mean it that way?

I don't think either person is in the wrong. Some of us are annoyed at Hussie and some aren't. Is this conversation gonna do any more than merry go round and round some more?

EDIT yeah what POS said

[The Argent Lord]

SO, hopefully that flash update will show up soon. What do you guys think it'll be about? My bet is on WV eating a weird bug and not even caring.

[Archbio]

I think it's a valid opinion and, as much as I can understand how one man's attitude about his creative work on the internet might set others off (a valid opinion as well!), it's more than a bit unfair for someone who has your opinion to be ganged up on and personally attacked over it.

Yes, it would be unfair if someone were to make personal attacks on Art of Hilt because of their opinion about this.

My feelings on a hypothetical gang up (assuming a gang is more than two people) are more mixed, but I'm sure that they would probably crystallize in the event of such a gang up over this trivial matter, one way or the other.

My jets are glacial.

[POS Industries]

And I'll be happy to see them stay that way, because I'm quite certain I can rest assured they will.

[Geminex]

I really don't take a lot of that seriously. It seems either self-irony or just trolling. And if there is one theme that characterises Hussie's work more than anything else, it is trolling.

I mean, the very first adventure. Second command, second response.
...
What pumpkin?

And that's been the case in more or less anythign he's produced.

I mean, yeah, he seemed more sincere on the formspring than he usually is, but I really only read that for the plot elaboration. I saw a few of his more douchebag-esque comments, but eh. As long as the story's good. Or at the very least epic.

[Archbio]

And I'll be happy to see them stay that way, because I'm quite certain I can rest assured they will.

I'm having a hard time understanding what this might mean, so I'm going to take it as a compliment about my ice cool temperament.

So refreshing.

[Fifthfiend]

I think it's a valid opinion and, as much as I can understand how one man's attitude about his creative work on the internet might set others off (a valid opinion as well!), it's more than a bit unfair for someone who has your opinion to be ganged up on and personally attacked over it.

And that everyone involved should probably go ahead and cool their jets for a bit.

Precicely backwards; you've certainly made it clear who it is fair to personally attack.

No you are correct.
I am the Monica Lewinsky to Andrew Hussie's Clinton.
I am admitting this here, specifically so people can in the future make the highly apt comparison of myself to an abused wife, safe in the knowledge that there exists no one who would reasonably contradict such an extremely correct statement, save for a hypothetical third party logging in through his stolen wireless internet connection in a mental hospital.

e- I am also comparing Andrew Hussie to Clinton as an implication that he is literally as important as the president.
I just want to make it completely clear how I am viewing the entirety of this situation by eliminating any possible ambiguity in my comments.

Out of curiosity, if you hate the author and hate one of the most prominent characters and think the story is convoluted and ridiculous and impossible to follow...

Why are you here?

Is this like the Bleach thing you've got going?

It's less that I was saying that Monica Lewinsky was Clinton's wife as it is me saying that I would treat Hussie as Monica Lewinsky as would Clinton, and by extension of said treatment, one can also compare me to an abused wife.

e- Honestly I just don't view the things Hussie says as being necessarily aggrandizing. I mean, when he says 'PLB', I take that as a joke. It's pretty obvious, to me, that things like that aren't sincere statements. Maybe I'm wrong in this?

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/reactions/coolstorybro.jpg

edit

no but really I mean you guys should stop making such a bIgDeal about Dwane and Brand0 they were ~*just joking*~

edit

Me, Re: this entire dumb-ass conversation

~*bothsidez*~

[Premmy]

I'm having a hard time understanding what this might mean
Me, Re: this entire dumb-ass conversation

[Art of Hilt]

SO, hopefully that flash update will show up soon. What do you guys think it'll be about? My bet is on WV eating a weird bug and not even caring.

I'm just waiting for Rose to pop back again and do pretty much anything that isn't "LOOK HOW CLOSE I AM TO DISAPPEARING OFF A TIMELINE FOREVER, ISN'T THIS PRETTY FOREBODING"

[POS Industries]

no but really I mean you guys should stop making such a bIgDeal about Dwane and Brand0 they were ~*just joking*~
Comparing a song about abusing women to a guy being annoyed about people complaining about how an antagonistic character he wrote is mean.

Classy, Fifth. Classy.

[Fenris]

Hey assholes.

Stop being assholes.

[Premmy]

But then where will all the forum's shit go?

[Fenris]

http://www.nuklearforums.com/search.php?searchid=971045

[Premmy]

nowhere?
edit: obviously you meant to link to my post history or some such.

[Fenris]

It's a link to all the threads you've started. It's working fine for me!

Just another one of your myriad of failures!

[Premmy]

But that joke is rather obvious, no?
At least use a picture of me or something with more punch.

[Fenris]

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729

[Premmy]

That is not a picture of me. but it is shitty so I guess it counts?

[Fenris]

Done!

Back to the topic of Homestuck and things related to Homestuck and other Homestuckesque shenanigans homestuck HoMeStUcK homeSTUCK homestuck.

[Premmy]

yes, yes you are

[Fifthfiend]

Comparing a song about abusing women to a guy being annoyed about people complaining about how an antagonistic character he wrote is mean.

Classy, Fifth. Classy.

I was obviously just joking

You really ought to cool your jets

Done!

Back to the topic of Homestuck and things related to Homestuck and other Homestuckesque shenanigans homestuck HoMeStUcK homeSTUCK homestuck.

Practically every character besides Vriska sure is somewhere between "totally great" and "not completely terrible"

edit: Jade - (currently) the best.

[Art of Hilt]

the flash will be a walkaround where you play wv and you need to get out of the station within a time limit
it won't be that but i really want it to be because let's face it it is the best possible option

e- alterniabound = egbertbound = vagabound

[Loyal]

I thought you should see this:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/Eyes5/weirdbug.png

[akaSM]

Just wondering, where did that "you eat a weird bug and don't care" thing come from?

[Loyal]

Way back here. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002697) Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, the morse code transcript (up until Vriska) was following this page, word-for-word.

[Bard The 5th LW]

If its any consolation, I think Vriska's gonna get herself killed sooner or later.

[POS Industries]

Love her or hate her or love to hate her, her death is highly probable at this rate. Her being referenced as the weird bug pretty much foreshadows the fuck out of it.

I have a feeling that a number of trolls probably won't be surviving to the end. Nepeta has been developed in just the right way to where she isn't particularly important to the story but her death would elicit an emotional reaction from the reader. Equius already lost Aradia and has the whole thing about looking out for Nepeta, so if she goes down, it's likely he'd bite it at the same time. Gamzee's apparently in the midst of going off the deep end and really fucking things up and the amount of blood running down his face the last time we saw him doesn't look good for his continued survival. And we've pretty much been beaten over the head with "SOLLUX IS GONNA DIE" for a while now, though in all fairness he's already died a couple of times so that's debatable. And I could see Kanaya getting killed off just to mess with the Kanaya/Rose shippers. The list goes on...

Karkat and Terezi are really the only trolls I don't see being at risk of meeting a bad end.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think Equius might survive if Nepeta dies, mostly BECAUSE Nepeta dies. Sollux is a mixed bag.

I definitely think Karkat and Terezi will survive, because there needs to be some payoff to their development. Tavros still has a ways to go as well, so I think he has a high survival chance.

[Loyal]

I'm thinking that the four original trolls (KK, TZ, Tav, Kan) are going to make it out okay, plus maybe Sollux (just a hunch, though he's still supposed to go blind at some point). Other than that though, yeah. All fair game.

[Fifthfiend]

Man I for reals just generally hope there isn't some huge arbitrary DC/Marvel/Joss Whedon-style character die-off for dramatic impact which conveniently excludes a particular circle of major and/or author favorite characters.

Like man killing the catgirl would just be so lolwash.

EDIT: I mean I guess she could end up having a really ballin' death scene where she achieves some critical victory for the heroes and basically saves the universe or something, that might not be too bad, but somehow the prospect of catgirl dying just makes me think GIANT BALLISTA BOLT OUTTA NOWHEREZ.

[Dracorion]

Guys, guys, forget about whatever it is you're talking about! Look at what I just noticed!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/fjgca17/Presentacin1-2.jpg

He's been dead all along!

John is Bruce Willis
It's him

[PCD]

I'm still wondering when we're gonna get that moment where Sollux gets blinded and becomes some sort of seer without being a Seer? It's easy to forget about that conversation so I got my eye on you, Hussmaster.

[Krylo]

I mean I guess she could end up having a really ballin' death scene where she achieves some critical victory for the heroes and basically saves the universe or something, that might not be too bad, but somehow the prospect of catgirl dying just makes me think GIANT BALLISTA BOLT OUTTA NOWHEREZ.

Exactly.

She's been characterized exactly enough to do that, but not enough to be important to the story, or even to any major characters, beyond the potential impact of her death.

[POS Industries]

That said, Hussie penchant for doing everything in the most grand spectacular (literally in the sense that they are grand spectacles) leaves hope that deaths suffered by any characters (save enemy NPCs) will at least not be without meaning.

So at the very least a cut above loldeadAnya, I guess.

[Art of Hilt]

John is Bruce Willis
It's him

Now that you mention it.
Don't Wanna Miss A Thing = Armageddon.
Armageddon = Liv Tyler and Bruce Willis.
Armageddon also = a sacrifice by a father figure for the sake of Liv Tyler and the man who is with Liv Tyler.

What I'm saying is that if it turns out John is with the bunny and Dad sacrifices himself and has a Bro-death...
That would kind of suck.
That would just kind of really suck.
Not just because of the fact that it's Dad dying, but mostly because it would make sense thematically in terms of John becoming a man, and because it has precedence, so it just makes it seem even more probable. So it'd be difficult to call foul on it, because it's precisely the kind of thing that could and would happen in this kind of story, even though personally one'd kind of want the guy to stay alive and reunite with his son at least.

[Fifthfiend]

That said, Hussie penchant for doing everything in the most grand spectacular (literally in the sense that they are grand spectacles) leaves hope that deaths suffered by any characters (save enemy NPCs) will at least not be without meaning.

So at the very least a cut above loldeadAnya, I guess.

Given that PS ended with every character who'd died walking literally out of Death's door (except for the character who had it coming) a guy can hope.

...I think what really tweaks me about that kind of death is it's often justified as showing that "anyone can die", but that it always happens to the disposable side character and not actually to any main character or author's pet basically shows that it's just following an even more complex and strictly enforced set of rules, which for me just makes it even harder to suspend disbelief than if they just went ahead and like, not had anybody die.

Like in the X-Men, how you'll have whichever character die to prove that it's a Serious Story that is Tragic and Real, but I always just end up sitting there going huh funny how that somehow never includes Wolverine. Or like maybe it includes Batman or Superman Buffy or Angel but THOSE deaths are always the tragically heroic sacrifice kind AND THEN they just get up five minutes later and go NO SEE IM FINE.

ANYWAY I have no way of knowing whether that will even be the case re: Homestuck so it's actually fairly unrelated griping I guess. Or hypothetically I suppose pre-emptive praise if Homestuck doesn't do that.

[POS Industries]

Like in the X-Men, how you'll have whichever character die to prove that it's a Serious Story that is Tragic and Real, but I always just end up sitting there going huh funny how that somehow never includes Wolverine.
And like 95% of the time it's Jean.

[Specterbane]

I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but in case any one didn't know Andrew Hussie will be at this thing (http://www.conventionscene.com/2011/01/14/ma-webcomics-on-ice/) on the 29th.

[POS Industries]

I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but in case any one didn't know Andrew Hussie will be at this thing (http://www.conventionscene.com/2011/01/14/ma-webcomics-on-ice/) on the 29th.
Seeing KC Green's drawing of Hussie was a great start to my day.

[Art of Hilt]

something about jeffrey rowland's sheer determination to take down that at-at warms the very base of my heart something fierce

e- flash update oh god what the fuck

[CelesJessa]

What the heck just happened D:

I was not expecting any of that.

[Locke cole]

Aradia did have a dreamself?

And she's happy?

[Wigmund]

Watching Feferi, Nepeta and Tavros die in horrible ways was just a kick in the nuts.

But now what's going to happen when God Tier!Aradia drops her arms?

[MuMu]

Aradia: Fuck yea
Tavvy::ohdear:

To be fair, that's what you get when you hang around with a target on your chest.

And of course, Aradia's hope spot of holding Jack is nullified when you realize that Vriska is going to fuck it up since the Slayer is hers.

I think the CRITICAL EVENT is Aradia's temporal lock fading.

There was one over both her and Vriska so it's a fair guess. Wonder how much time John still has(And will have when he 'first' chats with Karkat).

[Locke cole]

I think the CRITICAL EVENT is Aradia's temporal lock fading.

[Flarecobra]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you Vriska.

And wow, that was kinda awesome of Aradia there.

[PCD]

Urgh... the expression on Nepeta's face as Jack takes them all down is really a heart-rending one =( And even if I pretty much knew exactly what was going to happen to Tavros in that fight... i still want to believe that he can be revived, somehow, some way... (Gog damn, that face Vriska makes when she holds up his legs. Epitome of psycho.)

The fact that Aradia not only had a secret Dreamself, but it also got up to God Tier as soon as she woke, is wholeheartedly badass, and I like to think it makes up for all the sads right now.

[Locke cole]

Urgh... the expression on Nepeta's face as Jack takes them all down is really a heart-rending one =( And even if I pretty much knew exactly what was going to happen to Tavros in that fight... i still want to believe that he can be revived, somehow, some way... (Gog damn, that face Vriska makes when she holds up his legs. Epitome of psycho.)

The fact that Aradia not only had a secret Dreamself, but it also got up to God Tier as soon as she woke, is wholeheartedly badass, and I like to think it makes up for all the sads right now.

So secret that she didn't even know about it.

[Fifthfiend]

Currently the best: Aradia

Still, always the worst: Vriska

NOT TOO sad about the dreamselves cause we already knew that was coming, the fishgirl like, doesn't even get upset about having to go sleep in Cthuluville. Tavros getting stabbed though, jesus christ.

[Locke cole]

Yeah.

But, the entire face-of was hilarious until Vriska got bored.

"You're going down!"
"This severed puppet head says otherwise!"
"I gotcha leeeeeeeegs!"
"CURSE YOU!"

[CelesJessa]

Currently the best: Aradia

Still, always the worst: Vriska

I can't help it, I love Vriska despite her horribleness.

Aradia is pretty sweet though.

[PCD]

So secret that she didn't even know about it.

So what you're saying is, it was a secret... to everybody?

[Fifthfiend]

I can't help it, I love Vriska despite her horribleness.

You totally can help it, you just choose not to :crossarms:

[BitVyper]

Should be very... exciting when god tier Aradia and Vriska meet up.

[Fifthfiend]

I wonder what their respective Official Handbook Power Stats are supposed to be.

Cause there are supposed to be like, multiple God Tiers, and Vriska supposedly climbed a bunch of 'em, but IDK maybe like, having the special quest bed at the heart of the magic moon that you awaken from by being burned by the Green Sun's flame means you get extra magic Godsauce, or something.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I wonder what their respective Official Handbook Power Stats are supposed to be.

Cause there are supposed to be like, multiple God Tiers, and Vriska supposedly climbed a bunch of 'em, but IDK maybe like, having the special quest bed at the heart of the magic moon that you awaken from by being burned by the Green Sun's flame means you get extra magic Godsauce, or something.

Seems pretty likely.

[BitVyper]

I think the god tiers are just a lot more powerful than we were probably thinking. Vriska did say no one realised just how powerful she'd become.

[Locke cole]

I kind of wish that Tavros could go to god tiers from this. As completely aspullish as it would be (barring the idea that he also has a dreamself that winks out when asleep), I'd like to see the difference between his power's and John's.

If it were possible, it'd totally be something Vriska would do to him.

Also: question. Who's smile is better? Aradia's innocent smile that slowly slides into an "I gotcha" smile? Or Vriska's completely psycho "I GOTCHA LEGS!" smile?

[Art of Hilt]

best scenes were everything with aradia in it
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4867/1295139666077.png

Aradia's innocent smile that slowly slides into an "I gotcha" smile? Or Vriska's completely psycho "I GOTCHA LEGS!" smile?

^^^^^ man look at that how can anyone resist

[PCD]

If you ask me, Aradia's smile had a subtle madness to it, as well. Just, far less blatant.

[Wigmund]

I still can't wait to see Vriska get shanked in the worst way imaginable at this point. I was willing to let her off way back when roboAradia pounded the ever-living shit out of her and we could have thought 'okay, maybe she learned something there' because we didn't know what happened right after that fucking scene chronologically, but since then fuck that.

[Loyal]

It's a good thing "The Duck Rule" was revoked at the other forum, because there isn't a force on this earth that could stem the tides of insults directed at Vriska right now.

[Wigmund]

That and the nightly MSPA forum reset are why I'm here venting.

[Art of Hilt]

"The Duck Rule"

god that was such a stupid rule

e- because you know what if we accidentally hurt a fictional character's feelings

[Wigmund]

Prevents thirty pages of 'bluh, bluh Huge bitch' being repeated over and over.

EDIT: For having to wait 5 days, I was kinda hoping for a longer flash...

[Fifthfiend]

What the fuck are you people talking about

[Art of Hilt]

The forums had a "new rule" where, if you wanted to use a naughty word to refer to any MSPA character ever, you can only call them "mean ol' ducks" or "pillweefs".
A dude got infracted for calling Pickle Inspector a "milk dud head" for example.

[Wigmund]

I think they knew what this update was going to unleash.

[Fifthfiend]

The forums had a "new rule" where, if you wanted to use a naughty word to refer to any MSPA character ever, you can only call them "mean ol' ducks" or "pillweefs".
A dude got infracted for calling Pickle Inspector a "milk dud head" for example.

Huh well that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

[Locke cole]

So, someone came up with this thought on another forum:

So there was a memo some time ago. It contained this:

FGC: 3V3RYON3, TH3 BOTTOM L1N3 1S TH4T PROSP1T W4S JUST D3STROY3D [...]
FUTURE adiosToreador [FAT] 3:14 HOURS FROM NOW responded to memo.
FAT: iS,
FAT: tHAT WHAT HAPPENED,
FGC: Y3S T4VROS
FAT: }:(
FGC: WOW 1T TOOK YOU THR33 HOURS TO F1GUR3 TH4T OUT?

(http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004654)

Now, Prospit was, according to the recap (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005138), destroyed 06:12 hours before the CRITICAL EVENT. Meaning that FAT posted this 02:55 hours BCE (FGC is from three minutes in the future). Thus, he cannot have died when Vriska stabbed him 03:14 hours BCE.

Of course, there's the possibility it's going to involve him texting as he bleeds out, much like when he texted after falling down his cliff.

[Donomni]

There was an actual rule on the MSPA forums in which you basically couldn't insult any MSPA characters(Holy shit emphasis) aside from calling them something like a duck or ...lillyweed, I guess?

The forums had a "new rule" where, if you wanted to use a naughty word to refer to any MSPA character ever, you can only call them "mean ol' ducks" or "pillweefs".
A dude got infracted for calling Pickle Inspector a "milk dud head" for example.

Uh, yeah, that.

You know, despite half the jokes in the comic itself being insults to characters.

EDIT: Jegus guys, you're all roofhopping ninjas!

[Wigmund]

I think it was due to people trolling the comic chat thread with nothing but insults about Vriska that were getting steadily worse and worse.

I dunno, I spend my time there in the art forums. Which got itself an exemption to that rule for the arts and fics.


EDIT: If Tavros is still texting nearly 20 minutes after being shanked like that, I figure Trolls just don't bleed out very easily.

[Aldurin]

Of course, there's the possibility it's going to involve him texting as he bleeds out, much like when he texted after falling down his cliff.

Tavros was too busy "sky-frolicking" in his dreamself and thus was late for Jack blowing up Prospit.

Technically he's the only guy left with an extra life, but now if only he could get a kiss . . .

Or by some strange turn of events he lands on his Quest Bed.

And Aradia God Tier time-powers graphics are the best.

EDIT: Just forgot, Vriska is now the best troll by a lower margin because Aradia has cool time powers with cool graphics.

[Locke cole]

Tavros was too busy "sky-frolicking" in his dreamself and thus was late for Jack blowing up Prospit.

Technically he's the only guy left with an extra life, but now if only he could get a kiss . . .

Or by some strange turn of events he lands on his Quest Bed.

And Aradia God Tier time-powers graphics are the best.

EDIT: Just forgot, Vriska is now the best troll by a lower margin because Aradia has cool time powers with cool graphics.

I just realized: John: Explore Village's Trickster Mode foreshadowed Aradia's powers.


EDIT: If Tavros is still texting nearly 20 minutes after being shanked like that, I figure Trolls just don't bleed out very easily.

It took quite some time for Vriska to bleed out. Not to mention the sheer volume of blood she had.

[Loyal]

I think it was due to people trolling the comic chat thread with nothing but insults about Vriska that were getting steadily worse and worse.
I think they also said something about wanting to stop stuff like this, (http://nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1100835&postcount=4143) but yeah. Pretty silly way to solve that problem.

Like it's funny, Vriska was pretty much made to infuriate the reader, I don't know why their mods seem confused that the readerbase feels appropriately infuriated by her.

EDIT: If Tavros is still texting nearly 20 minutes after being shanked like that, I figure Trolls just don't bleed out very easily.Well, considering Karkat seemed to regard Jack's stabbings as a minor inconvenience, and considering Vriska period, it's probably safe to assume that yeah, bleeding out isn't a significant cause of death for trolls.

[Wigmund]

Being stabbed in the chest probably ranks closer to having arm and eye blown off in terms of troll blood loss, that is if the lance isn't knocked out when he hits whatever ground there is...

Oh god, he's gonna land on that creature from Aradia's portion of Alterniabound.

[Flarecobra]

Aradia? Don't you mean Vriska?

[Art of Hilt]

How could Aradia have ascended to god-tier status because she had no "extra life", which would have been her dream-self? (http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/2171676693)

She did have an extra life. She had a dream self all along. It just wasn't in a tower. It was sleeping in a crypt in the center of Derse, which essentially functioned as her Quest Cocoon.

She is a special case with respect to having a dream self (like Sollux was, who had two), and also with respect to the god tier resurrection.

The same rules couldn't apply to her, since she's the only character who's been dead since long before beginning the game. She couldn't resurrect the usual way because she was already dead.

So she has a different set of rules to suit her unique circumstances. We were lead to believe she didn't have a dream self, because she was dead, and because she didn't have a tower. But she was in the crypt the whole time, on her sacrificial platform, looking pretty corpse-like. Was her dream self dead too? There's no need for a definitive answer. But it would be reasonable to view her slumber as a state of undead-like stasis, like a vampire in a crypt.

Her resurrection demanded that her dream self be killed on the platform. And so it waited there for the entire session until Jack destroyed Derse, and was consumed by fire. This woke her up, and restored her to life for the first time in years. Her robot exploded as her soul un-disembodied itself. She then attained the god tier as the Maid of Time.

welp

e- this better be explained at some point in-comic because if it's not then it'd just be really dumb

[MuMu]

Next Flash: Make her pay again, this time with Vriska pounding Aradia.

[Krylo]

Cause there are supposed to be like, multiple God Tiers, and Vriska supposedly climbed a bunch of 'em, but IDK maybe like, having the special quest bed at the heart of the magic moon that you awaken from by being burned by the Green Sun's flame means you get extra magic Godsauce, or something.

I'd assume Aradia is more powerful but also at a lower tier, just due to their individual realms of influence and a little bit of foreshadowing as to the usefulness of Vriska's powers (Terezi: Luck doesn't actually matter).

Also because Vriska was god tier when Jack first showed up at the scratch, and Vriska was there and could do nothing to stop him while Aradia apparently locked him down immediately upon waking.

If it were possible, it'd totally be something Vriska would do to him.

It is, and the weird relationship they have (had?) that makes this a thing that is true is why despite knowing that Tavros had zero chance against Vriska and that Vriska has been killing small troll children for her entire life by feeding them to her Lusus I was still surprised when she ganked him. I kind of expected her to just bitch him about and leave him alive.

Though if he's one of the few/only Trolls with a living dreamself/possible resurrection left, the whole thing makes a lot more sense from the character Vriska has developed so far, at least in so far as pertaining to her relationship with Tavros.

If this isn't the case, and she killed him without any 'iron in the fire' designed to make sure he doesn't stay that way, then I suppose it illustrates just how much their relationship has died since Tavros left her to die slow on her quest bed.

[Locke cole]

Have we seen any shots of dream Tavros asleep?

[Ryong]

I can't help it, I love Vriska despite her horribleness.

Aradia is pretty sweet though.

I have to agree with Celes here. I'm not expecting her to simply die anytime soon - karma hits me as a bit too much cliché at this point and it'll serve only for the purpose of, oh, hey the character made for everyone to hate is dead, woo instead of, y'know, trying to make the character more than just that - so I guess she's going to break down soon and stop being a jerk to everyone. Chances it'll involve a flashback to the first time she had to feed her lusus seem high.

[PCD]

I think if Vriska was going to stop being a bitch, she would have already. Her actions have already gotten her killed, and she showed no shift in attitude, so why would it now? It's been foreshadowed heavily and clearly that she will die, but I doubt it'll happen until sometime around the endgame.

[Ryong]

She knew about God Tiers. She knew that she'd come back much, much stronger. It's like the one thing that wouldn't cause a shift in her attitude. It was her plan all along.

[MuMu]

The only thing that could possibly serve as a punishment for her is to have her plan fail horribly(Likely to happen soon) and die without accomplishing shit(Unlikely). She was already: Roboslapped, Haunted by the ghosts of her victims, Lost half of her body in an explosion, viciously beaten to almost-death and the slowly and agonizingly bled the rest of her life and wrote one extra !. She does a lot of shit, but also suffered a lot

Betting she's going to be one of the surviving trolls and not redeem one bit, just to spite us.

[Krylo]

Theory: Vriska is the only surviving troll.

Continuation of theory: Vriska kills all the other trolls in her plan to kill the slayer. And it works.

Alternate theory: The death of all the other trolls is her fault but an accident, and Hussie tries to humanize her over the deaths of her fallen compatriots.

[Fifthfiend]

Ugggggggggh fuck you people for talking about the MSPA forum, Jesus Christ.

Gon' go bleach out m'eyes now.

e: I am pretty sure their moderator there thinks Vriska is an actually living, real person.

And by person I mean "his girlfriend"

welp

e- this better be explained at some point in-comic because if it's not then it'd just be really dumb

Much that I hate Andrew Hussie with all the rage of the burning stars and loathe his poorly explained nonsensical etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc, I didn't really think this needed to be explained beyond what was shown in the flash, which was that there was this secret thing we didn't know about, and now we do.

I guess it implies some different rules for how quest beds work, IE only your dreamself needs to die on it for you to awaken in GODMODE.

Theory: Vriska is the only surviving troll.

Continuation of theory: Vriska kills all the other trolls in her plan to kill the slayer. And it works.

Alternate theory: The death of all the other trolls is her fault but an accident, and Hussie tries to humanize her over the deaths of her fallen compatriots.

I will hold you personally responsible and kill you if this turns out to be true, also, I will kill you if this turns out to be true.

[Krylo]

The last scene of homestuck is her weeping over Terezi's corpse.

[Fifthfiend]

I will take out pieces of you and show them to you while you are still alive.

[Ryong]

Theory: Vriska is the only surviving troll.

Continuation of theory: Vriska kills all the other trolls in her plan to kill the slayer. And it works.

Alternate theory: The death of all the other trolls is her fault but an accident, and Hussie tries to humanize her over the deaths of her fallen compatriots.

Alternate alternate theory: The other trolls comply with her plan and willingly sacrifice themselves for her plan.

[Krylo]

It's a flash. A cover of 'Hurt' is playing in the background.

"What have I become, my sweetest friend..."

[Fifthfiend]

I'm gonna go punch Vriska (http://maroonracoon.deviantart.com/art/PUNCH-VRISKA-flash-190666438)until I feel better.

Thank you, only worthwhile thing on the MSPA forums.

[Locke cole]

Only worthwhile thing?

I dunno. Some of the fan adventures are pretty good, and their image manipulation thread produced this (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?32713-IMAGE-MANIPULATION-3-An-Itch-to-Scratch&p=4279794&viewfull=1#post4279794).

If that Karkat picture was the only thing that forum ever produced, I'd call it a success.

[Fifthfiend]

Only worthwhile thing?

I dunno. Some of the fan adventures are pretty good, and their image manipulation thread produced this (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?32713-IMAGE-MANIPULATION-3-An-Itch-to-Scratch&p=4279794&viewfull=1#post4279794).

If that Karkat picture was the only thing that forum ever produced, I'd call it a success.

Those are probably all made by people who like Vriska and thusly utterly worthless.

[Krylo]

I am pretty sure their moderator there thinks Vriska is an actually living, real person.

And by person I mean "his girlfriend"

She can't be his girlfriend.

She's mine. And she'd never cheat on me.

W-would she?

:ohdear:

[POS Industries]

You can have her. After that latest flash, Dream Feferi is mai waifu.

Love will keep her together!

[Krylo]

You can have her. After that latest flash, Dream Feferi is mai waifu.

Love will keep her together!

Love and tape.

[Art of Hilt]

Look at that.
Falling for a whole hour.
WELP.

[Locke cole]

Those are probably all made by people who like Vriska and thusly utterly worthless.

In that particular post, CandyRedBlooded!Vriska was a miserable internet addict, and BlueBlooded!Tavros was a total pimp.

I don't know, you tell me if they were made by a Vriska lover.

Also, update, with the most depressing sound effect.

[POS Industries]

I consider Grandpa Harley avenged!

Love and tape.
That's what I call "double-sided love," my friend.

[Token]

hahahahahahahahahahaha YES.

EDIT: That was the best thing.

[Art of Hilt]

Also, update, with the most depressing sound effect.

More like the most hilarious sound effect.
Right up there with EGG and DOG.

[Dracorion]

Goddammit.

[Fifthfiend]

Hahahahahahaha, excellent.

edit: ~lolwash~

[Flarecobra]

She can't be his girlfriend.

She's mine. And she'd never cheat on me.

W-would she?

:ohdear:

I think Vriska is taken by Hussie.

And WHY do all the ones I like end up dying!? It's like I'm cursed!

[Locke cole]

I think Vriska is taken by Hussie.

And WHY do all the ones I like end up dying!? It's like I'm cursed!

No, she went on a diet, and Hussie immediately dumped her for Ms. Paint.

[Krylo]

I think Vriska is taken by Hussie.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/krylo/random/Duelvrisk.png
No, she went on a diet, and Hussie immediately dumped her for Ms. Paint.

Oh, well. That's a relief.

[Geminex]

Huh.
That's...
Huh.

Quite a few twists there.

I do think that Aradia being able to get to god-tier is kind of an ass-pull. It hasn't been foreshadowed, hasn't been suggested that it's possible, and, as it is, it still doesn't really make sense, even with that explanation andrew posted.

The rest is pretty good. Somehow, I don't think it's a coincidence that Tavros landed right next to Terezi. She avenged him once (well, him and Aradia), am I the only one who thinks she might do so again?

Also, I'm also kinda hopeful that Tavros isn't really dead. Though if he was, that'd be a fairly good death-flash. I loved the 'got your legs!' moment.

[Dracorion]

Tavros is the only troll with a living dreamself and Terezi is a princess.

Just thought I should remind you.

[Locke cole]

Tavros is the only troll with a living dreamself and Terezi is a princess.

Just thought I should remind you.

How do you figure? Wasn't he sky frolicking on Prospit when Jack blew it up?

[Art of Hilt]

Plus, even assuming that Tavros' dreamself, like, got rescued by a time travelling fairy in a red riding hood and that's why his reaction to Karkat's "A demon killed everyone" was "Uh, really??"-
Terezi thinks everyone's dreamself is dead.
So macking on a corpse might not be up there in her list of emergency response procedures.

e- Unless said time travelling fairy freezes time and hides Tavros' dreambody on his quest bed or something who knows

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think Tav's dreamself is dead. I think Karkat recalled shouting at him before Jack destroyed everything. And keep in mind, he blew Prospit into oblivion, why would Tav be out in space?

[Donomni]

Only worthwhile thing?

I dunno. Some of the fan adventures are pretty good, and their image manipulation thread produced this (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?32713-IMAGE-MANIPULATION-3-An-Itch-to-Scratch&p=4279794&viewfull=1#post4279794).

If that Karkat picture was the only thing that forum ever produced, I'd call it a success.

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/RLabs/solluxhatsune.png

Oh just what the fuck is this shit.

[Aldurin]

This is the most difficult task for Tavros to ever do, earn a kiss from Terezi while he's busy being a bleeding-out dreamself somewhere in the medium.

And I think Tavros' dreamself is actually alive, his talk of sky frolicking implies he did more than fly circles around Prospit. And since dreamselves vanish upon the realself waking up Jack wouldn't be able to find him.

[Flarecobra]

Tavros is the only troll with a living dreamself and Fefrei is a princess.

Just thought I should remind you.

Fixed, as Terezi is actually the young troll equivelent of Edgeworth.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I'm pretty sure Tavros implied (not confirmed) that his dream self (and all others, which turned out to be not true) died.

I still think Tavros' dream self died, for some reason.

[Art of Hilt]

This is pretty much the only reason why I think Tavros has any chance of getting revived whatsoever (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004468).
Otherwise I would be all "Naw he permadead forever"

[Bard The 5th LW]

He did tell Jade that all the troll dreamselves were dead a little bit before the EoA4 flash. So either he is screwed, or he was just unaware that he still has one.

[Aldurin]

He did tell Jade that all the troll dreamselves were dead a little bit before the EoA4 flash. So either he is screwed, or he was just unaware that he still has one.

Given that it's Tavros who can be heavily out of the loop I say it's possible.

[Geminex]

Fixed, as Terezi is actually the young troll equivelent of Edgeworth.

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad317/geminex/terezi6.gif

OBJ3CT1ON!





http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad317/geminex/terezi5.gif
YOU S33M TO H4V3 TH3 F4CTS 4LL WRONG.
ALLOW M3 TO OFF3R SOM3 CORR3CT1ON.

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad317/geminex/terezi4.gif
1 4M NOT TH3 TROLL 3QU1V4L3NT OF 3DG3WORTH
CL34RLY H3 1S TH3 HUM4N 3QU1V4LENT OF M3
4ND 4 P4LTRY 1M1T4T1ON 4T TH4T

FR4NKLY 1 4M 1NSULT3D BY TH3 M3R3 COMP4R1SON

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad317/geminex/terezi3.gif
1 L1K3 TH3 COLOR OF H1S SU1T, THOUGH

[Dracorion]

Fixed, as Terezi is actually the young troll equivelent of Edgeworth.

Hussie mentioned in his formspring that the trolls and kids count as princes and princesses of their own planets.

Feferi is actually an empress. Or empress-in-line. And the Witch of Life.

[Wigmund]

What's to prevent Tavros from being rezzed in The Furthest Ring if Terezi licks his corpse? It's where dreamers with dead dreamselves go, why would the same not be true for resurrections involving dead dreamselves as well.

He wakes up out there, drifts for some time being tormented by the HorrorTerrors and then is somehow transported to the Kids' session (communing with Jadesprite?) thus providing them with The Plan to meet up.

[Loyal]

How to kill the mood of recent updates in one easy step:

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4499/tavrobrown.gif (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?34989-MSPA-Fanart-1025-We-re-All-God-Tier-Here&p=4525887&viewfull=1#post4525887)

[PCD]

Remember that, if Tavros' dreamself is indeed still alive, we're going to need Terezi to act quickly to revive him before the dreamself dies as well. Waiting too long will bring the wounds from the normal body to the dream body, and at that point you're boned.

And considering it's been a solid half hour of falling with that thing through his chest, the window is likely closing fast.

[Locke cole]

Actually, it's probably a lot less falling. Hussie said that there was some dicking around and memo-responding going down between Vriska waking up and Tavros reaching her.

[Geminex]

Huh. Allright then.
Though in the flash it's
-3:14
-Open eyes (this seemed to be the 'waking up' referred to in the title, though that admittedly could have just been referring to Aradia)
-Fight Tavros

So it does seem like 3:14 would be the approximate time of being dropped. But on the other hand, they're in a meteor, and one that didn't look too big. I doubt he could spent 20 minutes straight falling. So probably yeah, that's it. The flash was misleading, though.

[Fifthfiend]

How to kill the mood of recent updates in one easy step:

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4499/tavrobrown.gif (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?34989-MSPA-Fanart-1025-We-re-All-God-Tier-Here&p=4525887&viewfull=1#post4525887)

Thank you for this perfect encapsulation of how Vriska, like Lucy, is the worst.

[Geminex]

AT: gOOD GRIEF

[Art of Hilt]

never gonna get tired of these things

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9591/1295194224415.gif

also insignificantly
aradia = little red riding hood
bec noir = big bad wolf
these are equivalences i am making solely in the hopes of kanaya being relevant

[Loyal]

...where does Kanaya fit into that?

[Art of Hilt]

who saves red riding hood from the big bad wolf

[Flarecobra]

Who'd be Grandma?

[Viridis]

The Mother Grub thing? I guess that's how Art's linking to Kanaya.

[Art of Hilt]

Who'd be Grandma?

spades slick
somehow
although now that i think about it for more than two seconds technically with the prototyping Noir is literally dressed up as Nanasprite so
um
crossing fingers for Nanasprite not getting eaten I guess

The Mother Grub thing? I guess that's how Art's linking to Kanaya.

nope
kanaya is a lumberjack (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004223)

[Dracorion]

spades slick
somehow
although now that i think about it for more than two seconds technically with the prototyping Noir is literally dressed up as Nanasprite so
um
crossing fingers for Nanasprite not getting eaten I guess

Would you really put it past Hussie not to have John go home, hoping for some nice meals and a prank-off with Grandma, only to find Jack in the kitchen?

[Token]

Would you really put it past Hussie not to have John go home, hoping for some nice meals and a prank-off with Grandma, only to find Jack in the kitchen?

Jack makes the best licorice cookies. (http://www.grouprecipes.com/98977/licorice-cookies.html)

[Dracorion]

Hey, first look at Jade's consorts.

Also, is that the magic cue ball?

[Wigmund]

PASSWORD FUCKASS!

[MuMu]

The hell is that thing on Kanaya's desk.

[BitVyper]

spades slick


nope
kanaya is a lumberjack (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004223)

Wasn't Red Riding Hood saved by a hunter?

The hell is that thing on Kanaya's desk.

The Matriorb.

[Arcanum]

The hell is that thing on Kanaya's desk.

It is this thing (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004237)

And I guess that means Kanaya is ready to use it... some how.

[Art of Hilt]

Wasn't Red Riding Hood saved by a hunter?


I've always been taught that it was lumberjack.
Even that one dumb 3D movie had him as a lumberjack.
There could be different versions where he is a hunter most probably, but a lumberjack who chops the wolf in half with his axe is definitely one of the known versions of the story at the very least.

Also yessss Kanaya updates
Yesss angry Jade
Green space crew is the best basically

[Flarecobra]

O_o

Ok, just WHEN did Jade start cursing?

[The Argent Lord]

About when she started talking to people awake, I believe.

[Art of Hilt]

Kanaya just won "troll talking to all the kids onscreen" bingo btw

[Locke cole]

O_o

Ok, just WHEN did Jade start cursing?

Here. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003306)

[Loyal]

A surprisingly effective way to handle cross-time shenanigans.

[Specterbane]

I love that Jade's the one to think of using a password to avoid time travel shenanigans.

[Aldurin]

That was a sharp curve to follow when Jade suddenly started cursing at Kanaya like that. But it just probably shows how strongly she hates this time shit.

[synkr0nized]

Hooray Aradia!

Hooray Kanaya!


e: So, I'm going to choose to believe that everyone's finding various ways to achieve "god tiers" now, and we'll get a human+troll group to face Jack. They don't have a lot of time until he's unlocked again, though, so I'm not yet sure how it will happen.

[Ryong]

Hooray Aradia!

Hooray Kanaya!


e: So, I'm going to choose to believe that everyone's finding various ways to achieve "god tiers" now, and we'll get a human+troll group to face Jack. They don't have a lot of time until he's unlocked again, though, so I'm not yet sure how it will happen.

Specially with how much time they seem to spend talking to eachother!

I wonder if bec imps still take ages to kill. It'll be some crazy grinding.

[PCD]

I'm still a little confused as to why we still don't know what this 'critical event' is, if it happened right after DreamJade got prototyped and blew up the tower, why are things still progressing like normal? Of course, since the trolls are a little bit off kilter in terms of time scheme, but Jade's trying to talk to them in a linear fashion, so shouldn't we be seeing at least some hint of what's going on...?

[Dracorion]

Technically since the trolls can see any moment in the kids' timeline any time they want, the Critical Moment wasn't so much dream Jade being prototyped.

It was just Gamzee watching dream Jade being prototyped at the same time the countdown ended.

[Arcanum]

I'm still a little confused as to why we still don't know what this 'critical event' is, if it happened right after DreamJade got prototyped and blew up the tower, why are things still progressing like normal? Of course, since the trolls are a little bit off kilter in terms of time scheme, but Jade's trying to talk to them in a linear fashion, so shouldn't we be seeing at least some hint of what's going on...?

All we know is that a timer for the troll time line is counting down to a "critical event," and that when this event occurs, a blood-covered Gamzee (who is apparently the most important character in Homestuck) is watching Jade's tower collapse. That is not to say the critical event happens at that moment, it's just that Gamzee is watching that at the occurrence of the critical event.

Meanwhile we kind of jumped back in time, 4 hours and 13 minutes before the event, to see Aradia's god-tier rebirth thingy, and then 3 hours and 14 minutes before the event (although possibly later since its doubtful Tavros was falling for so long) to see Vriska beat Tavros. And that at 2:41 before the event we see Tavros land, but we have no idea where in that time frame Kanaya is talking to Jade, due to the lack of apparent timer.

[Wigmund]

Breeding Duties? Oh what the hell is going on now?

[Ryong]

Breeding Duties? Oh what the hell is going on now?

I think hope Kanaya is just assuming that Jade is in charge of them just like herself because they already have a lot of similarities.

[Krylo]

Breeding Duties? Oh what the hell is going on now?

Bow chika wow wow

[Art of Hilt]

aww yeah iron lass awwwww yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaawait breeding duties what
oh dang does she still think humans got matriorbs (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004246)

[Geminex]

Okay, that is all kinds of wrong.
I mean, if that's correct and not just some assumption of Kanaya's, that raised all kinds of unsavory implications.

[Fifthfiend]

Bow chika wow wow

The "space" is her http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/becspeak.gif

[MuMu]

Time for Jade to have The Talk.

[Wigmund]

Alchemize Jade + Matriorb to form Ultimate Breeder.

[Loyal]

Yeah, false alarm on the "Jade has lots of babies" front.

[Geminex]

Thank sweet troll jegus for that.

Still, in regards to the cloning, they really don't have much of a gene pool, do they. Unless there's some device to generate extra dna?

[Krylo]

Well, there goes that fanfic. Destroyed by canon.

[BitVyper]

Unless there's some device to generate extra dna?

We know for sure that such a device existed in the veil, as it's what was used to make all the kids in the first place. It wouldn't be unreasonable to imagine that all the ectobiology equipment became available to Jade.

Or BETTER ectobiology equipment, for that matter.

[synkr0nized]

Well, there goes that fanfic. Destroyed by canon.

I will be amazed when that actually works that way.

[Art of Hilt]

And here I was thinking Space players had to be the Imperial Drones for the entirety of their new universe.
Teleporting into strangers' bedrooms and yelling at them to get themselves going.