Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Premmy]

Well, there goes that fanfic. Destroyed by canon.

Damn you Hussie! blasting away all my theories!

[BitVyper]

Ah, looks like we might finally get to find out something about the frogs.

[Wigmund]

Well, there goes that fanfic. Destroyed by canon.

Star Trek genetics, they're humanoid so they must be able to breed with humans.

Would Captain Kirk chase some Troll ass? I think so.

[Flarecobra]

What female ass WOULDN'T Kirk go for?

[Token]

Okay, who wouldn't chase some Troll ass?

(The answer is Tavros. Because he's dead.)

[Fifthfiend]

female ass

As my totally canon fanfiction proves, this is an entirely unnecessary qualification.

[BitVyper]

As my totally canon fanfiction proves, this is an entirely unnecessary qualification.

Kirk/Jack Harkness OTP

[Fifthfiend]

I also ship Picard/Adama :3

[Loyal]

Hey Jade. Send that .txt our way, would you?

[BitVyper]

I also ship Picard/Adama :3

Current Adama can only ship with classic Adama.

[Krylo]

Picard/Kirk, OTP.

[BitVyper]

Who wears the toupee in bed?

[Krylo]

Kirk. Picard looks just fine bald.

[Wigmund]

I also ship Picard/Adama :3

You can't have those men's balls in the same room, reality would collapse upon itself.

[Geminex]

You can't have those men's balls in the same room, reality would collapse upon itself.
They go where no men have gone before.


And yeah, I'm wondering what Dave could say that Kanaya would find funny.
Also, I wanna see laughing Kanaya.

[Aldurin]

This theoretical Genesis Frog better do something awesome.

[Arcanum]

My guess is that it is Billious Slick, who is a necessary entity to the game and the reason there are lilly pads here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004492).

[Wigmund]

Bilious Slick = Kermit the Frog...and he wants to play a game.

[Locke cole]

Genesis Frog does what Nintendon't.

[Ryong]

WELP JADE, I GUESS YOUR DUTIES REALLY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

[Viridis]

Ectobiology didn't feel like it before, but the frog breeding definitely feels like a game mechanic. Things like golden chocobos or any game with item synthesis requiring multiple iterations and Guide Dang It moments.

Basically, the 'annoying sidequest to get the perfect thing' is apparently integral to the Homestuck main game. That must be annoying to some players.


Also, do we know how Kanaya's planet was changed after lighting her Forge?

[Flarecobra]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005214 She said so here.

GA: And Will Stay That Way Until The Forge Is Brought To Life
GA: I Think The Event Is Designed To Trigger Drastic Planetary Upheaval Wherever The Forge Is Stationed
GA: It Did On My Planet As Well

[Viridis]

I asked if we know how her planet was changed. If it was mentioned before, with more details on what specifically was DONE to the planet by the lighting of the Forge. Her planet was obviously not defrosted as it was not covered with ice. I guess we don't know, then.

[Flarecobra]

I asked if we know how her planet was changed. If it was mentioned before, with more details on what specifically was DONE to the planet by the lighting of the Forge. Her planet was obviously not defrosted as it was not covered with ice. I guess we don't know, then.

According to the MSPA wiki, it lowered her planet's water level.

[Viridis]

Ah. I was imaging it was something like that.

Also, the newest pesterlog is Great conversation while also being a little Troublesome.

[Grimpond]

Young kanaya is the bestest thing ever and shame on you fucks for not mentioning it.

[BitVyper]

According to the MSPA wiki, it lowered her planet's water level.

Yeah, but that's just fan interpretations. I mean, that was probably the end result, but it still doesn't actually tell us very much.

Maybe it just made some volcanic islands.

[Art of Hilt]

Young kanaya is the bestest thing ever and shame on you fucks for not mentioning it.

I know!
She's just
so tiny

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4018/gah.png

[CelesJessa]

My friend has been catching up in Homestuck and she got to the flash where you get to explore the Troll's place in Alternia (with the wonderful hair-flip) and she alerted me to getting to explore some of the Troll's rooms (which I totally missed).

I found Tavros' legs in Vriska's room. I laughed and then I felt a little bad. (But mostly laughed.)

[Specterbane]

Don't feel bad, Tavros is the sad sack. You're supposed to laugh at his misfortune.

[Loyal]

It's funny when he brings it on himself. Like with that first conversation with Dave. And the one where he privately confessed feelings for Jade, only for the whole thing to be readable to all by merit of the conversation being holo-projected.

[Token]

Nah, it's pretty much always hilarious.

[Donomni]

GG: i think i am learning to be more multicultural through karkat as well
GG: it mostly involves saying fuck a lot
GA: Oh No

Karkat is not only a amateur psychologist, but also has a minor in cultural proliferation!

[Geminex]

Huh. Their relationship is certainly turning out interesting.

JadexKanaya anyone?

[Loyal]

...I'm not seeing that at all, Gem.

[Arcanum]

So I made this in LBP2 a few minutes ago for kicks:

http://ib.lbp.me/img/ft/37b68477b58c2ad8622f25ee71c0286c084dc6b0.jpg

I probably could have made the moon a deeper shade of pink, but I was just messing around and did it real fast. It's kind of shit quality because that's how LBP2 takes screenshots.

[Geminex]

...I'm not seeing that at all, Gem.

Well, I don't think RosexKanaya was going anywhere. Jade has yet to get any kind of romantic interest. They're getting along really well. Plus, Jade is throwing in more <3's than usual.

I dunno, maybe I'm just stupid.

And nice, Arc.

[POS Industries]

Jade has yet to get any kind of romantic interest.
Except for Dave and Karkat, potentially.

But as far as I really care the kids don't actually give a shit about romance regardless of how obsessed the trolls are over it until explicitly stated otherwise.

[Geminex]

Karkat seems kinda one-way at the moment, even with the way their relationship's developed. At least from what we've seen.

And Dave is news to me.

[POS Industries]

They're as for her viable as Kanaya.

Which is to say not all that tangibly.

[Geminex]

Nyeh. I don't think it's probable. But it's a possibility that was not apparent before.

And wait, I tell a lie. She does have romance. Feferi's her Moirail/future Moirail, isn't she?

[POS Industries]

Feferi mostly just gives Jade nightmares.

[Geminex]

But didn't she appear with the <> symbol, in Jade: Wake up (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004748)?

Or was that just random?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Shipping is fun and all, but I think ity really just applies to the trolls, and thats only because the trolls are obsessed with finding romantic partners at a young age out of fear of the drone. The drones are gone, but the mindset is still there for them. The kids don't give a shit as of now and won't give a shit for a while.

[Art of Hilt]

The kind of adorable thing I find about Kanaya's conversation with any kid who isn't Rose is that somehow Rose always comes up. Literally, every, single, conversation.
Like, I thought this conversation was going to be an exception since they're talking about holy shit giant universe frogs, and like, maybe now that the conversation is at this gigantic scale we might gloss over our personal feelings a little? But nope, she still comes up in the end.

[Token]

Karkat seems kinda one-way at the moment, even with the way their relationship's developed. At least from what we've seen.

And Dave is news to me.

Fuck you, Karkat<3<Jade OTP of the year, all years.

[Geminex]

Well, it can be:

__|--------<>--------|
__|________________|
Karkat <3< Jade <3 Kanaya <3 Rose
__________<>
_________Feferi <3 EridahahahahaNO

Then everyone's happy.

And someone remind me, what color is the forum background?

[Art of Hilt]

shove a karkat<>kanaya in there and you gots yourself a deal

[Loyal]

And someone remind me, what color is the forum background?

111111.

[BitVyper]

I guess the purpose of the Ultimate Synthesis is once again called into question. I'm sure it must have SOMETHING to do with creating the universe, but by the sounds of things, they don't need the grist hoards to make Bilious Slick, so the Ultimate Synthesis does not create the universe itself in that case.

[Specterbane]

Maybe it creates the doorway to the universe.

[Geminex]

It seems to be the death of the black king that does that...
Maybe the ultimate alchemy shapes their universe? Like, gives it its unique qualities?

[Dracorion]

Hey guys, guess what I just realized.

Snowman is Bilious Slick!

I just don't know how yet.

Maybe she's wearing Bilious Slick.

[Fifthfiend]

So apparently Lord English is just really, really into French cuisine.

[Loyal]

Flash update motherfuckers.

Characters have new talking sprites. It looks pretty great, did Lexxy do those?

[Art of Hilt]

OH MY GOD I LOVE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS UPDATE

OH

MY

GOD

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9467/1295144048249.gif

[Viridis]

Hm. How do I progress through Eridan's bit?

[Art of Hilt]

Eridan's bit is the end. The walkaround isn't as extensive as Alterniabound. I don't really expect any of them to be that long to be honest. But a fair bit of exposition and enjoyable character interaction happened so I'm happy.

Also Eridan's theme is Skipper Plumbthroat's theme.
Yes.
Yessss.
Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Viridis]

Ah. I was hoping there was a way to avoid the death duel. Oh well. All I have left to explore is Be Karkat.

[Geminex]

I just replayed it twice before realizing that it's supposed to end at the duel.

The strife music is, good, though.

Also, OH GOG TRICKSTER MODE.

Can someone make humping sollux an avatar?

[Loyal]

Man I already gave you Cal, what more could you want.

[Token]

Eridan went around killing all the angels, even though they were constructs.
He has a remix of Skipper Plumbthroat's theme. The horrorterrors are being massacred.

Prince of Hope confirmed for massive douchebag.

[Token]

Man I already gave you Cal, what more could you want.

Dude, that was before THRUST. THRUST. THRUST. THRUST.

[Flarecobra]

You know, either Neptia makes good tea, and that's why it's in the main lab... or it's so bad everyone else ran off.

And oh man, Fef... More reason why I like her.

[Geminex]

Man I already gave you Cal, what more could you want.


Humping Sollux

Also:
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad317/geminex/thrust.png

Edit:
Dude, that was before THRUST. THRUST. THRUST. THRUST.
Great minds clearly think alike.

[Token]

Indeed.

Which is why I'm taking THRUST for myself. >:D

EDIT: Doc Scratch that. Just had a better idea.

[Loyal]

Alright alright, here. Knock yourselves out.

[Geminex]

Wait, you screecapped this one-by-one? I thought there was software to do that.

In that case, thanks even more!

I am showing my gratitude by having sollux hump it.

[Art of Hilt]

Time to snatch up the Favorite Troll as an avatar aw yeah

Also Karkat<>Kanaya best ship forever sorry everyone who disagrees is incorrect
Sorry people who disagree
Sorry

[Fifthfiend]

Karkat cares so hard about everybody, all the time.

Just an angry little ball of care.

[PCD]

Seeing just how much Karkat cares about everyone makes it even sadder when you see just how much everything is falling apart. They used to be at least in the same place, if not so much working together, but now there's so much infighting and the like, it makes me sadface a bit.

Though man I totally love some of these new sprites.

[Aldurin]

The idea of Eridan genociding his consorts surprisingly doesn't surprise me. But it is the most hilarious twist of the flash.

[MuMu]

Holy shit trolls

Holy shit, Eridan

Shit is hitting the fan so fast

[Token]

CC: Because, stupid.
CC: I'M D------EAD!

[Bard The 5th LW]

oh shitsticks

[Flarecobra]

Damnit Ea---Eridan.

[POS Industries]

Aaaand the shit just hit the horn pile.

[Loyal]

Aaaand the shit just hit the horn pile.

No, Fef's body did.

Hey, what's Karkat planning to do here?

[Flarecobra]

You know, just what WAS he doing that entire time?

[Art of Hilt]

Fuck!
Fucking fuck!
Holy fucking shit what's stopping Eridan from just straight out murdering Karkat and Kanaya they're both RIGHT THERE and they both just saw him fucking murder Feferi!

[POS Industries]

You know, just what WAS he doing that entire time?
Well, it all went down pretty fast. I doubt Karkat and Kanaya have had a chance to react.

Fuck!
Fucking fuck!
Holy fucking shit what's stopping Eridan from just straight out murdering Karkat and Kanaya they're both RIGHT THERE and they both just saw him fucking murder Feferi!
It's not like they're going to testify against him in a court of law, here. Well, not until Terezi gets involved, but she just discovered Tavros' dead body so I'm pretty sure she has her own murderer to go deal with.

[MuMu]

Fuck!
Fucking fuck!
Holy fucking shit what's stopping Eridan from just straight out murdering Karkat and Kanaya they're both RIGHT THERE and they both just saw him fucking murder Feferi!

He might threaten them but they escape or he might just walk away. The only reason he came back was to recruit Feferi.

Although he might think twice before harming Kanaya, the Matriorb is way too important.

[Geminex]

If he's going after past romantic interests, I would pay to watch him go against vriska.

[POS Industries]

If he's going after past romantic interests, I would pay to watch him go against vriska.
Vriska was a blackrom interest, though.

Looks like Nepeta is the one he's going to be paying a visit to next. Thing is, she's on a course to get let down hard by Karkat, and even Karkat thought Eridan probably had a good shot with her if she wasn't obsessing over him anymore.

[Geminex]

That'd be interesting as well. Though that is one relationship I just cannot imagine working out.

You know, just what WAS he doing that entire time?
He was doing science, and he's still alive!
He feels fantastic and he's still alive!
And while you're dying he'll be still alive!
And when you're dead he will be still alive!

[POS Industries]

That'd be interesting as well. Though that is one relationship I just cannot imagine working out.
Of course it won't work out, they're gonna die.

But just who do you think put those claw marks on Gamzee's face?

[Art of Hilt]

It's not like they're going to testify against him in a court of law, here.

No but I mean, Karkat and Kanaya aren't going to shrug and go "Whoops". They just saw a teammate knock out one and murder the other! They're going to either run away or try to fight him and what chance do they got of surviving a battle if Sollux couldn't?
Not that I have any idea what they're like in a fight besides "SICKLE" and "CHAINSAW" but I'm not sure if they can do better than OPTIC BLAST, you know?

[POS Industries]

Yeah, but what I mean is I don't think he gives enough of a shit about them to just kill them. In fact, he actually holds them both in high regard. They probably can't do shit to him, but at the same time he has no motivation to attack them the way he did with Sollux and Feferi.

I doubt he even views them as being enough of a threat to worry about, and they're not stupid enough to try to change his mind.

[Locke cole]

Yeah, I don't think either of them will be capable of taking Eridan right now, especially considering the very real possibility that their weapons and equipment are squirreled away in chests right now.

Anyone else feebly resist laughing at the honks, and then fail to not laugh?

[Loyal]

I just realized, this may be how Sollux goes blind.

And Aradia comes to the rescue or something.

[POS Industries]

Also, we know they both live because I SAID PASSWORD FUCKASS!!!!!!

[BitVyper]

Plus I don't think Karkat has had his flipout on John and Dave yet, as he seemed to have a much better handle on what was going on at that point than he does now.

Anyway, I would love to see him try to toadie up to Jack.

Anyway, very sad to see Feferi die. =(

[Bard The 5th LW]

Sollux may still be there, but Fef is gone unfortunately.

Karkat and Kanaya probably just didn't have time to react, and they don't want to get themselves killed in the process of failing. As said earlier, Eridan seems to consider them friends, so he won't take immediate action.

[Art of Hilt]

Also, we know they both live because I SAID PASSWORD FUCKASS!!!!!!

Oh yeah you're right
Plus Karkat and Terezi at least confirmed to survive up to an hour past the Critical Moment (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529) (I think? I'm too emptyheaded to do the math here but it looks like he's alive six hours after he decides to troll the kids which is after he wakes up 5:13 hours before the Critical Moment or some shit like that)
Still a little worried about Kanaya though, like, apprehensive

Mostly because of Sollux's "All the trolls gonna die" prophecy

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hold up, Feferi is the Witch of LIFE. That should count for something, even if its minor.

[Token]

http://i51.tinypic.com/207aj3c.jpg

But seriously, best troll? Best troll.

[Krylo]

You realize he's going to get bitched hard by Aradia, Vriska, or Jack, right?

[Marc v4.0]

I don't really see why Karkat or Kanaya couldn't be capable of taking him down.

We don't know how powerful they became in relation to him. They might be able to take him right apart, "Science Wands" or not.

[Art of Hilt]

Something that I just realized is that all the trolls have all the fraymotifs.
Karkat Kanaya you are RIGHT there why not use a Blood/Space combo fraymotif come ON this is pretty much the one moment combo superattacks should be bloody used

[POS Industries]

Well, if anyone has the most obligation to deal with him right now, it's Kanaya. She's the one that armed him. And he's also shown interest in the matriorb, seeing as it's the hope of their species to continue, which is the only reason he's planning on selling out to Jack. As the resident mother grub, she has to find a way to stop him.

Something that I just realized is that all the trolls have all the fraymotifs.
Karkat Kanaya you are RIGHT there why not use a Blood/Space combo fraymotif come ON this is pretty much the one moment combo superattacks should be bloody used
Yes, all of the trolls have all of the fraymotifs. Including Eridan.

And his now involve fucking magic.

[Bard The 5th LW]

And his now involve fucking magic.

Science.

[Art of Hilt]

Yeah but shouldn't combo fraymotifs be stronger than solo fraymotifs
I'm working off Chrono Trigger logic here

[Marc v4.0]

They should just call The MacGuffin Vriska up to the command deck

EDIT: He wouldn't have any Magic motifs at all. Since there were none.

[POS Industries]

Well, fraymotifs are only a thing that matters if you're using them to compensate for a lack of raw power. For instance, Dave needs fraymotifs like a motherfucker, but John and Rose can basically wreck planets without them already, and thus don't need them.

Eridan's now rocking Rose-level firepower, so fraymotifs are pretty much beneath him at the moment.

[Marc v4.0]

This is all just wild speculation and opinion, honestly. This is pretty much the only real indication we have of how powerful he is, and honestly no reason to believe the two are weaker or stronger.

I, personally, doubt he could hold a candle to Rose. There is nothing to show he is even near that strong or knowledgable.

[BitVyper]

To be fair, we have yet to actually SEE a fraymotif.

[Art of Hilt]

Dunno about anyone else but I believe in the heart of the friendship
or combo battle techs whichever is practically appropriate I guess

[POS Industries]

This is all just wild speculation and opinion, honestly. This is pretty much the only real indication we have of how powerful he is, and honestly no reason to believe the two are weaker or stronger.

I, personally, doubt he could hold a candle to Rose. There is nothing to show he is even near that strong or knowledgable.
He spent almost the entire game session murdering angels. I don't wanna get all biblical here or anything but that's no small feat. And that was before he got the wand.

When one troll rolls in and takes out two other trolls in rapid succession with magic, I think from a narrative standpoint it's to be inferred that he is a legitimate threat.

[BitVyper]

So, it seems Eridan has utterly failed to fulfill the role the game gave him (barring further futurepast development). Rose has been fulfilling her role as a seer, but still pointedly not doing what the game wants her too. BOTH of them attacked things they weren't supposed to. Kind of a funny little parallel for the two magic users. Maybe evidence that other things are driving Eridan's fate, or that his actions are serving something else.

Maybe that's the price you pay for magic.

[Arhra]

Caligula's gone nuts!

What a TWEEEEEEEEST!

[Art of Hilt]

To the person who asked if I'm Art of Hilt elsewhere (since I know that you're here)
No I'm the one who made the all caps post!
I could probably come up with a Blood/Space pun if I wanted to
Not good ones but still stuff like "Hemoglobal Catastrophe"

[Amake]

With "honk honk dead honk", Hussie immediately grabs the crown as the king of jarring comedy/drama interplay. In the same dang panel! No, I can't not laugh. And that just makes it sadder. ;_;

[Doc ock rokc]

Maybe that's the price you pay for magic.

Actually thinking about it. If the sun is bad in their world (them being nocturnal and all.) then Wouldn't "Light" magic be their version of Evil magic?

[POS Industries]

To the person who asked if I'm Art of Hilt elsewhere (since I know that you're here)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/wink-happy-16.jpg

[Art of Hilt]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1056/5c774ef3624c.gif

[PCD]

Oh fuck. Fuck you Hussie. Fuck you for making me laugh at that update.

Sollux just got blinded with science.

[Locke cole]

To the person who asked if I'm Art of Hilt elsewhere (since I know that you're here)
No I'm the one who made the all caps post!
I could probably come up with a Blood/Space pun if I wanted to
Not good ones but still stuff like "Hemoglobal Catastrophe"

"Sanguine Serenade"

"Plasma Pastorale"

Something like that.

[Amake]

Actually thinking about it. If the sun is bad in their world (them being nocturnal and all.) then Wouldn't "Light" magic be their version of Evil magic? A bold idea, but I doubt it. Light is as essential to them as to us. But likely the symbolic relationship between light and dark is less extreme than to us, since their world would be somewhat murky, lit mostly with indirect, artificial or bioluminous lights rather than clear sunlight. Which would fit well with their concept of "friend" and "enemy". . .

Bee tee dubbs why has no one made a "sleeping with the fishes" pun yet?

[Specterbane]

Bee tee dubbs why has no one made a "sleeping with the fishes" pun yet?

Because we're all terrified of the HorrorTerrors and their Fondling (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=000979).

[Aldurin]

The light magic turning trolls evil makes me think of the light-dark inversion in Heart of Darkness. Especially since the guy controlling light is blinding and murdering people.

I predict either perma-death of these characters or God Tier somehow.

[Fifthfiend]

I guess when the lady says she's D-----Ead, she means it.

It's so weird to have actual competition all of a sudden for the worst.

[Loyal]

Do we have any idea what fraymotifs actually do, besides having some role in combat? I don't recall it ever coming up...

[Ryong]

Do we have any idea what fraymotifs actually do, besides having some role in combat? I don't recall it ever coming up...

I think they are the equivalent to Problem Sleuth's Battle Techniques/Combat Operandi.

[akaSM]

Hey, maybe Feferi's quest bed is honkier than we initially thought :O

[Geminex]

That would be silly.

I think these deaths are, for the moment, genuine. They'll probably serve another purpose later, and I'd be very surprised if we never see these characters again. But for now, I think, we have 2 dead trolls on our hands. And both of them died with holes through their chests.

[Specterbane]

Actually yeah, I'm with Gem on this one. Just like knowing the future doesn't seem to be a big deal in this story, I think dieing is also less permanent. After all Ariadia died before the story even began and was still a major player in the Troll arc, maybe we'll just have MechaFef later on.

[BitVyper]

I doubt we're getting mecha replacements. Aradia was a very unique case. I doubt Equius even feels like making more at this point.

That said, and on the subject of Aradia, we've still got someone around who speaks to the dead.

[Pip Boy]

What does this bring our total troll count to now? Besides the two that just died, we've already lost Aradia and Tavaros. Am I forgetting anyone?

[Locke cole]

But Aradia's back as her god-tier self.

Also: Sollux is not dead. There's a reason his sound effect was "KO'd" instead of "DEAD"

[Archbio]

Eridan starts off by murdering both of my least favourite (most hated) trolls in one sequence?

I'm not sure what that means.

[Specterbane]

Should be 10, Only Tavros and Feferi have gotten the "dead" sound effect. Aradia blew up, but she clearly got better. It might be worth checking some time stamps for anything from Feferi about when she dream dies and when Prince Douche decided to go all Snape to her Dumbledore. But I'm betting it checks out just fine or is inconclusive at best.

Gamzee's kinda up in the air but should survive until the Critical Moment at least.

[Flarecobra]

WHY do I see Aradia going back to their spirits in order to teach them how to appear like she did?

[BitVyper]

Eridan starts off by murdering both of my least favourite (most hated) trolls in one sequence?

I'm not sure what that means.

If you hate Feferi it means you are the worst human.

[POS Industries]

Also, once again, Sollux isn't dead.

[Geminex]

Or maybe not. Though wouldn't surprise me. Eridan's still in there, and he didn't seem too fazed by Feferi's death. Why not go on to kill the guy he actually hated.

Unless, wait, wait. He was actually over Feferi and simply wanted to draw Sollux into Kismesis with him. Killing Feferi is pretty much the best way. Or maybe I'm just being overobsessed with fictional romance and that is extremely silly.

Also I'm not sure. Did Sollux appear in any future logs? That'd rule this out pretty much entirely. And I think people have been mentioning that he'll go blind. I have no memory of this being foreshadowed. Has it, in fact, been foreshadowed?

Also, this:
If you hate Feferi it means you are the worst human.

[Fifthfiend]

If you hate Feferi it means you are the worst human.

Your avatar is Vriska, your opinion is invalid.

[BitVyper]

Your avatar is Vriska, your opinion is invalid.

My avatar is Tavros' legs. Vriska just happens to feature in the background.

[Geminex]

If Vriska makes Bitvyper's opinion invalid, what does Thrusting Sollux make my opinion?

[BitVyper]

CAPITAL V!

[Geminex]

BitvyperV?

[Fifthfiend]

If Vriska makes Bitvyper's opinion invalid, what does Thrusting Sollux make my opinion?

hypnotically sexy

[POS Industries]

Unless, wait, wait. He was actually over Feferi and simply wanted to draw Sollux into Kismesis with him. Killing Feferi is pretty much the best way. Or maybe I'm just being overobsessed with fictional romance and that is extremely silly.
This is not an unlikely possibility by any stretch.

And I think people have been mentioning that he'll go blind. I have no memory of this being foreshadowed. Has it, in fact, been foreshadowed?
A couple times. The most recent was just before Aradiabot exploded, when she said he'd see her again, just not with his eyes.

[Geminex]

hypnotically sexy
Hahahahaye222222

A couple times. The most recent was just before Aradiabot exploded, when she said he'd see her again, just not with his eyes.
Huh. The more you know.

Hey, guys, guys:
I found out why eridan killed fef. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zowhCG_gB7M&feature=related)
She scarred him.

Also, aaaaaaaages ago, I wished there were a homestuck caramelldansen.
My wish has now come true. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAXc0-sa-jo)
And at 0:52 I realized that I didn't regret it.
Though John's hips look really girly.

Edit:
Also also, Hivebent to the future! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYEY6cLCDmE&feature=related)
Starring Nepeta as Marty!
That is all you need to know.

Edit2:
Guess who it is! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXUJLaX88yA&feature=related)

[Flarecobra]

...Ok, that voice for Eridan was just too fitting.

[Art of Hilt]

NO
DON'T TAKE THE MAGIC WIZARD HEAD ON
ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY

[Dracorion]

No, see.

She's setting Karkat up for a sneak attack.

Besides, he's a Science Wizard. Totally different.

[Loyal]

Totally appropriate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3erBcUTj0U)

[Wigmund]

The next update is going to be the end of Act 5 flash where we get to see that all of the trolls are dead while "Don't Want To Miss A Thing" plays.
It ends with Eridan being throttled by Noir.

[Flarecobra]

The epic Staredown.

[Archbio]

Also, once again, Sollux isn't dead.

"Eridan starts off by attempting to murder both of my least favourite (most hated) trolls in one sequence?" was just too shitty a sentence, even for me.

Easy with the emphasis, there.

If you hate Feferi it means you are the worst human.

Technically, I hated Feferi, past tense. Because she's dead.

[Fifthfiend]

She still a ghost man

Crazy-a22 dream2-)(auntiin' g)(ost

[Krylo]

Totally appropriate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3erBcUTj0U)

I'm getting more of a this vibe, personally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihuDwkL9_Ng).

Maybe it's just because I'm still thinking of the honking death.

[Marc v4.0]

Eridan seems to consider them friends, so he won't take immediate action.

This little sidelong glance of evil...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/03331.gif

pretty much says all there is to really say about how much he considers them friends.

[katiuska]

Also, aaaaaaaages ago, I wished there were a homestuck caramelldansen.
My wish has now come true. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAXc0-sa-jo)

I guess my question is why Eridian is a hipster chick.

[Krylo]

I guess my question is why Eridian is a hipster chick.

What else would he be?

[Fifthfiend]

Harry Potter.

[Krylo]

Isn't Harry Potter a hipster chick?

[Archbio]

She still a ghost man

You can't hate a ghost.

How did you think Slimer became a member of the team?

[Geminex]

I guess my question is why Eridian is a hipster chick.

Cause Kanaya decided he'd kill less teammates if he explored his femininine side a bit more. I mean, that's obv. what this is all building up to. You even see her getting the lipstick ready.

[MuMu]

HOLY SHIT

The trolls are fucked. Fucking fucked.

Why even blow the matriorb, what the hell, man.

Edit: Oh wait, future password. Kan is going to be alright.

But the goddamn matriorb, shit.

[Fifthfiend]

Jesus Christ I am honestly blown away from this totally devastating come-from-behind Worst Ever victory.

[BitVyper]

I'm pretty certain Karkat, Terezi, and Vriska are all safe. However... something is not on the up and up here.

[Pip Boy]

Why in the fuck is that asshole just running around killing people he's no better than Jack what a douchebag.

[Art of Hilt]

Edit: Oh wait, future password. Kan is going to be alright.


No.
The future password was for "CROOOOOOOOOOOAKED".
Jade's never gonna get that password man.
Ever.

Fuck.

This is honestly the fucking worst.

[Fifthfiend]

Why in the fuck is that asshole just running around killing people he's no better than Jack what a douchebag.

Maybe this is his job application?

[Art of Hilt]

A link to a SBaHJ comic right under Kanaya's corpse

HUSSIE
NOT THE TIME HUSSIE
THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR YOUR SHENANIGANS

[Archbio]

Did I start reading The Stand when I wasn't paying attention?

Or maybe I'm thinking of Alien Resurrection, specifically for the senseless Matriorb destruction rather than for senseless friendly fire massacre in general.

[PCD]

8|

Failed timeline?

[Flarecobra]

...*Just imagined a Vriska vs Eridan fight*

That scenaro might not end well if it occurs. Though now I kinda see them talking to the kids via dreams.

[MuMu]

8|

Failed timeline?

I'm not sure what would make me sadder/angrier, more trolls dying or Hussie pulling a "It was all just a dream, lol".

[Pip Boy]

I'm not sure what would make me sadder/angrier, more trolls dying or Hussie pulling a "It was all just a dream, lol".

Well, we know from whats-her-face's discussions with Jade (the password stuff) that whats-her-face is fated to have more conversations with Jade that she hasn't had yet, so either she isn't dead, or this is an alternate time-line of some kind.

[Arcanum]

Well, we know from Kanaya's discussions with Jade (the password stuff) that Kanaya is fated to have more conversations with Jade that she hasn't had yet, so either she isn't dead, or this is an alternate time-line of some kind.

FTFY

But yeah basically this ^^^. Also, if this isn't a doomed time-line (and I sincerely doubt that it is), then the fact that Kanaya lives through this means the "DEAD" sound effect isn't necessarily a declaration of someone's death.

[Geminex]

Y'know, is Eridan trying to steal Vriska's "worst troll" title? Cause he's doing a pretty good job of it. And he doesn't even need deudly firearms.

[Art of Hilt]

Kanaya had one discussion with Jade.
They set up the password system.
Jade gives her the password, "CROOOOOOOOOOOAK".
Jade waits for her to give her the password.
Kanaya never gives it to her because she dies.

But shit man this is pretty disheartening. Genuinely hoping the whole afterlife gig that Feferi got herself into comes into play because
jesus
We just went through so many panels of Kanaya just interacting with the kids with the sole narrative purpose of building friendships with them. So many. And it's going to just, disappear to nothing? God damn.

[Fifthfiend]

Y'know, is Eridan trying to steal Vriska's "worst troll" title? Cause he's doing a pretty good job of it. And he doesn't even need deudly firearms.

I think it's his at this point; they're tied for murders but I think "wiping out the last hope for his race to exist" beats even "years long psychological and physical abuse of an innocent, well-meaning doofus".

EDIT: on the meta-terribleness level I think "responsible for back to back shockdeaths as part of an obviously idiotic plan to buddy up with the villain" is at least competitive with "Secretly Mary-Sueing the entire story in a totally uninteresting way."

[mauve]

Well, if Kanaya IS dead, maybe the reason why Rose "blacks out" in her screen at that moment is because Kanaya's not alive to SEE her anymore after that point.


......
......
yeah I don't even know where that came from. I'll just shut up now.

EDIT: nevermind, no, cuz she's talked to Future Jade. Ignore this.

[Krylo]

they're tied for murders

Nuh uh.

Vriska killed lots of people off panel, and only one on panel. Unless you count talking John into letting her put him to sleep on the quest bed, which would be SILLY, 'cause Jack was gonna kill John, anyway.

So if we're counting off panel murders, Vriska has killed a ton of young trolls to feed to her lusus before the hivebent session started, if we're not Eridan is one murder up on her.

Though speaking of Vriska, I think it's salient to point out that Equius, Terezi, Kanaya, and Tavros are the only trolls she's ever felt a kinship with. Tavros's died out when he let her bleed out slow and then tried to attack her, but the other three she should still be on good terms with (well, Kanaya isn't on good terms with her, but it's not like Vriska realizes that or why that is).

Eridan just killed one of those three.

Of those two, only one of them is god tier.

Eridan seems pretty well fucked.

[BitVyper]

So if we're counting off panel murders, Vriska has killed a ton of young trolls to feed to her lusus before the hivebent session started, if we're not Eridan is one murder up on her.


To be fair, Eridan at least facilitated a number of those kills, and they were all people who'd gotten involved in a competition where death WAS a possible stake. With Vriska.

Every troll Vriska's ever killed had all but signed a declaration of war with her.

[Krylo]

Right. Forgot about that. He helped her with a lot of the murders so he could feed their Lususes (Lusi?) to Fef's Lusus.

[BitVyper]

I count them more as predation than murder at that point. Things don't really get messy until the plot stuff with Tavros and Aradia.

Edit: Basically, not saying Vriska is morally exonerated from the stuff she's done, but it's not like it's hard to stay out of her way. You just don't go "hey, lets have a conflict," or attack her. Eridan, on the other hand, is getting to the point where he's straight up psychotic.

[Locke cole]

Eridan killed as many Lusi as Vriska killed Trolls. All the Lusi we got to know were sapient (I think)

Also, how the heck did this comic turn into a slasher flick so fast?

I'm starting to wonder if Equius, Gamzee, and Nepeta are all AWOL because Eridan was practicing.

[BitVyper]

Small nitpick: Not all of the creatures Eridan killed were Lususes. A Lusus is specifically one of Alternia's creatures that has taken guardianship over a troll. The whale he killed may or may not have been one. Probably most of them were lusus though.

At any rate, THAT was all pretty well justified by "every member of our species will die screaming if you don't do this."

[Arcanum]

Crazy thought: Since we know Aradia can freeze someone in time (like she did with Bec Noir) what's to say she can't rewind someone in time?

[BitVyper]

Maybe she could, but "dies" would still sit at a specific point in their timeline, I think.

[Archbio]

I'm starting to wonder if Equius, Gamzee, and Nepeta are all AWOL because Eridan was practicing.

Isn't Gamzee supposed to make it to one of the computers in time to get his blood over it?

[Fifthfiend]

only one on panel.

She got better, but Aradia still counts.

edit: using her boyfriend as a mind-weapon in order to kill her would probably get Vriska the point in the case of a tiebreaker, but again, killing his species' future out of sheer vindictiveness really takes the game here, I feel.

[Locke cole]

Isn't Gamzee supposed to make it to one of the computers in time to get his blood over it?

Maybe he just sucked at getting an instant death with his first or second attempt (I.E. Gamzee survives the wound long enough to die of blood loss instead of instantly from shock). That's why he decided to practice.

In my speculation, that is.

Small nitpick: Not all of the creatures Eridan killed were Lususes. A Lusus is specifically one of Alternia's creatures that has taken guardianship over a troll. The whale he killed may or may not have been one. Probably most of them were lusus though.

At any rate, THAT was all pretty well justified by "every member of our species will die screaming if you don't do this."

No, that wale was very definitely a lusus with a still-living troll:

"[...]And make a freshly orphaned troll somewhere pretty sad (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004337)"

And killing lusi was pretty much his MO during his FLARP days. Vriska would feed the trolls to Spidermom, and he'd "reap the custodial spoils" (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004361)

[Fifthfiend]

Karkat's just gonna like cut himself

and bleed all over everybody

and bring 'em all back

with his caring

and his feelings

and his blood

his HEALING BLOOD

[Locke cole]

It looks like cough syrup because it's medicine!

[Marc v4.0]

And I finally come on board with the avatar stuff

[Amake]

"D8B" pretty much sums it up, well said Karkat.

Now if we're to compare horribleness, the way I see it Eridan started out as an entitled, condescending, demanding prick and then turned out to be a murdering asshole all along not to mention literally the antithesis of hope. Vriska, and this is just my observation, is compelled to hurt people, including herself, even though she doesn't want to. She needs help, and an understanding and patient attitude combined with a wealth of therapists probably could help her, whereas Eridan needs a hard smack and possibly a magic wand jammed in his shame globes.

[PCD]

To be perfectly honest, I'm actually starting to feel relieved that there's someone besides Vriska doing terrible awful things that make me want to punch them. It's a nice refresher, aside from the part where it's awful and terrible.

If Hussie now reveals that Eridan's being manipul8ed, well, then.

[POS Industries]

No, this is pretty much all completely counter to Vriska's plan: Kill Jack herself and gloat to all the other trolls about it. Also killing Kanaya is one of those definitive things that Vriska wouldn't be behind. Eridan is the random variable that nobody saw coming.

And I'm honestly not even remotely sure how, but I have this sneaking suspicion that it's Rose that takes him down. The foreshadowing seems to point to it, and my best guess is that he's the analogous Skipper Plumbthroat to the horrorterrors' Squiddles. My best guess hasn't a clue how or why he gets to the outer ring, but the guy's wielding some pretty powerful white science at the moment so I wouldn't put anything past him.

[Fifthfiend]

Now if we're to compare horribleness, the way I see it Eridan started out as an entitled, condescending, demanding prick and then turned out to be a murdering asshole all along not to mention literally the antithesis of hope. Vriska, and this is just my observation, is compelled to hurt people, including herself, even though she doesn't want to. She needs help, and an understanding and patient attitude combined with a wealth of therapists probably could help her, whereas Eridan needs a hard smack and possibly a magic wand jammed in his shame globes.

That pretty much works only if you arbitrarily take an incredibly charitable and conciliatory view towards one murderous asshole with massive psychological issues and not the other.

I mean it's okay that Vriska was an entitled, condescending, demanding prick, because she couldn't help it? Eridan couldn't possibly benefit from help and understanding and an army of therapists for the flaws and deluded views that are fairly plainly beyond his own control? Come on.

[Archbio]

That pretty much works only if you arbitrarily take an conciliatory view towards one murderous asshole with massive psychological issues and not the other.

Wasn't that what Deadwood was all about?

[Fifthfiend]

Nah, Deadwood was about how Al Swearingen wouldn't actually murder a guy in front of his own son, while Hearst will murder the son and then, in private, probably like... eat him, or something.

Basically both are awful but one actually does more awful things than the other, it's not like Al is a special snowflake because we see his wacky rants to the dead indian's head.

[Archbio]

I was thinking more of Cy Tolliver. Most of the time, he's not any worse than Swearingen, isn't he? It's just why he does (in both the long run and in the immediate sense) what he does that makes him such a more antipathic figure. I'm not saying that the character pairs have a lot of parallels (they don't)... it's just a vague example.

Edit: So yes, basically this is a shit comparison (I'm going to have to offer a burnt offering to Deadwood in penance for mentioning it in this thread.)

[Amake]

I mean it's okay that Vriska was an entitled, condescending, demanding prick, because she couldn't help it? Eridan couldn't possibly benefit from help and understanding and an army of therapists for the flaws and deluded views that are fairly plainly beyond his own control? Come on. I don't see her being any of those things. Well, maybe condescending to those who doesn't know things she does, which seems to be because she doesn't understand any other way to communicate. While Eridan condescends to everyone who he thinks is worth less than him because they're born that way.

And no, therapy can't help with that. He'd have to admit that thinking he's better than everyone else currently alive, and not because of anything he can do but because of the color of his blood, is a problem to be able to accept help and I doubt even Robbie Williams could manage that mIRaCle. Heck, even Feferi told him, apparently over and over, that the caste system was bullshit which if be believed in the caste system must mean it is bullshit. If flawed logic is a psychological dysfunction, I'm afraid it's not one that I can sympathize with as much as compulsive behavior.

[Fifthfiend]

Again, there's really no way to write one of these character's behavior off as compulsive but not the other's. If anything Eridan's behavior is the more apparently compulsive and not understood since as it's been shown he really just doesn't comprehend how much of an asshole he is, whereas Vriska's behavior is pretty much all consistent with being an utterly calculating and manipulating physical and psychological abuser, up to and including her dubious expressions of remorse and concilation whenever one of the targets of her abuse won't act the way she wants. In fact Vriska saying she can't help acting the way she does is itself self-refuting since she demonstrably can help it, just not, oddly enough, in any instance where failing to help it facilitates her feelings of power over her victims.

[Amake]

Yeah I might of course be projecting my own neuroses into the story. I think I mentioned that initially.

But Eridan not knowing he's an asshole is a poor excuse, since it's his decision not to deign to listen to anyone who might tell him what he's doing wrong. His unwillingness to learn things is probably what really pisses me off about him.

[Archbio]

Eridan does only start murdering his friends after what should be a traumatic series of events (if the comic could be taken with any measure of psychological realism,) including the End of the World as They Know it.

I'm not sure I was right in reading the killing spree as a natural product of Eridan's backstory free psyche.

[Fifthfiend]

On consideration he more or less fits the typical personality of a spree killer (massive sense of thwarted entitlement, paranoid fixations, grandiose delusions, culminating in violently lashing out at everyone and everything,) and I have to say it seems pretty much entirely reasonable to hate spree killers more than one happens to hate domestic abusers. I still disagree with the degree to which IQ's initial post on the subject seemed to indicate this was the case but I think I overreached in my response saying there was no way to find a difference in degree between them.

[Archbio]

On consideration he more or less fits the typical personality of a spree killer[...]

Other than the fact that Eridan is a self-made social outcast, I really can't help but come back to a comparison with Harold Lauder, who also bloodily turned on his people in a dire, post-apocalyptic situation mostly out of unrequited affection while pathetically failing in an attempt to join with the demonic villain (unless anyone thinks Jack wouldn't just slaughter Eridan if he even manages to get that far with his plan.)

Only Eridan is a thousand times more ridiculous in every way.

[Overcast]

We are seeing the distinct difference between a sociopath and psychopath, both antisocial disorders that can lead to people getting killed. Eridan is a psycho, he impulsively acts to any given situation and then tries to rationalize it to a degree that allows him to not change. Killing the angels, the blood caste system, his wish to destroy all lower bloods. He doesn't keep much foresight and is usually incapable of completing a plan till it is finished, and his lack of empathy makes any relationship he tries for a failure.

Subscribed therapy, total removal from designated power. Remove wand, get a haircut, wear proper clothes, no guns and be forced into an omake where everyone is in high school.

Vriska is a sociopath, who also created her own morality but unlike Eridan doesn't have to force it to exist. She has the ability to formulate long term plans and use them, and her fiery personality serves primarily as a front for a cold and absent empathy. She often will only find herself impulsive if something is directly getting in the way of one of her long term plans, then she will mercilessly stab them with their own weapon, blind them for life, ect.

Eridan and her were able to work together when he was running off his impulses long enough to be in her plans. With Kanya's help this became something of a relationship, but Eridan was likely a bit too clumsy in his execution and Vriska doesn't actually care about anyone so eventually that came to a close.

Subscribed therapy, no more mind powers, keep the eye, forced menial labor in order to understand the insignificance of self in the universe.

Unfortunately this isn't really possible, Eridan has been living in a place of murderous power for a long time that has only fed his impulsive and psychopathic nature. Vriska was under a parent figure that almost forced her to become the asocial prick she is, and afterward the power the game has given her over time power enough to stay that way without threat. Both of them require help that is more than Karkat telling them exactly what is wrong with them, they needed someone to force them to understand why. And that is impossible, no matter how many therapists you brought.

[Geminex]

And I finally come on board with the avatar stuff
Welcome, friend.
Welcome.

Also, let's not look at this from the perspective of 'Eridan wants to join jack and therefor MURDERS EVERYONE'.

Cause most of his actions so far in the comic seem to have been inspired not by hatred or anger, but by his desire for relationships.

And let's look at that list:

People he wants kismesis with:

- Sollux (presumably)
- Rose (definitely)
- Vriska (pretty definitely)

People who care about the people he's killed:
- Sollux (Feferi, obviously)
- Rose (Kanaya)
- Possibly Vriska, for Kanaya

I think his actions right now are motivated less by a desire to join jack, and more a simple need to FINALLY have someone hate him back.
That'd also explain why he left Sollux and Karkat alive.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole 'Ima join Jack, kthxbye' thing was simply a ruse to get Sollux to fight him again.

I mean, his behavior is no less horrible. But it's suddenly less turncoat, and more emotional frustration. Still an asshole, though.

Also, am I the only one wondering how his "science" is so fucking powerful?

[POS Industries]

(unless anyone thinks Jack wouldn't just slaughter Eridan if he even manages to get that far with his plan.)
Jack is currently being held frozen in time by Aradia (who would currently have no reason to suspect his attack) and has a strict honor code when it comes to people doing something he appreciates and holding up his own end of the bargain.

I'm not saying this is what's going to happen, but if there was ever a time for Eridan's plan to work, it would be at this very instant.

That'd also explain why he left Sollux and Karkat alive.
I can't speak for leaving Karkat alive, but in that situation I'd have assumed Sollux to be dead if I were there in the heat of the moment.

Also, am I the only one wondering how his "science" is so fucking powerful?
Rose was blowing holes through giclopses the moment she picked up her wands, and was flying around and tearing her planet apart not long thereafter. Apparently there's not much of a learning curve involved here.

[Locke cole]

Do I smell extremely useful reaction image?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/aryu515/Karkatreactionb.jpg

I think I do!

[Geminex]

A reaction image to what?

Also, I have my reaction image to everything, ever, in my avatar. Which I will now stop talking about, cause it's getting old.
It's still there, though.
Thrusting.

I can't speak for leaving Karkat alive, but in that situation I'd have assumed Sollux to be dead if I were there in the heat of the moment.
Eridan hated the dude, and it wasn't like he was in a rush. It would've taken him maybe 2 seconds to put a nice hole in Sollux' chest. Nah, I think he left him alive intentionally.

[Specterbane]

Disclaimer: I'm gonna be rambling here, but that should be obvious.

The more I see of the trolls, the more I think their session was never meant to be finished with just the killing of the black king. Kanaya or Rose have said things about how this game seems to be designed to help develop the player to be able to help guide the universe they create as well as develop the player to form a unique definition of self which is beneficial to them and the people around them. But the trolls didn't seem to grow up hardly at all, look at Eridan and the fact that he apparently just went rampaging through his world with no direction fumbling around with that game like an idiot. Even now you can see that they're plagued with in fighting that the adults of their civilization apparently found a way around despite their race's predisposition towards violence and competition. And that doesn't even get into a case by case basis for the trolls, but who says that their finished growing up.

It's been hinted at that Skia has its own will and guides players to develop a new universe. If that's the case it could be Skia hatched a plan when the trolls started using psychic powers to beat the standard game design easily without developing actual team bonds, and made a "null" session with the kids to develop both teams and bring about the mutual growth of both sides. But that's just my guess.

TL:DR; Eridan is a petulant child and most of the trolls still have lots of growing up to do.

[Aldurin]

Karkat just got a major reality check. He knew the team was falling apart but now he's probably gonna do something about it since Eridan just murdered two trolls in front of him AND destroyed hope for preserving the troll race.

Kanaya should have kept contingencies. Like I would have copied the fuck out of the code for that matriorb and have several backups stuffed in random chests.

[Locke cole]

A reaction image to what?

Also, I have my reaction image to everything, ever, in my avatar. Which I will now stop talking about, cause it's getting old.
It's still there, though.
Thrusting.


A reaction image to anything, really.

Anything that warrents that face, that is.

I was just saying "this is going to be a very useful reaction image".

[POS Industries]

Eridan hated the dude, and it wasn't like he was in a rush. It would've taken him maybe 2 seconds to put a nice hole in Sollux' chest. Nah, I think he left him alive intentionally.
Maybe, but aside from the "KO'd" sound effect for the benefit of the reader (even with which, I might add, a large number of people still assumed he was killed in the attack) there would be no reason for anyone to think Sollux wasn't just as dead as the other two people Eridan just hit with that wand.

[Geminex]

Well, the other two kinda had holes in their chests. Sollux... well, okay, he's sustained quite a bit of trauma. But we know trolls can take a lot of trauma, and he has no external wounds, certainly no gaping wounds where his heart was supposed to be.

Bluh. Neither of us is gonna prove the other wrong. I might be right, I might be wrong, and we will undoubtedly find out soon enough.

And then come the gifs.

[Art of Hilt]

Thinking about it, the whole death in Homestuck thing, I think I can figure why it's a bit more aggravating than usual.
Let's say, the Futurama episode with the dog. The episode was constructed around the dog dying. But because of the nature of the medium, a show that begins and ends in thirty minutes, we can see why the dog died, why it was necessary that the dog died, understand the drama behind it, and have a solid emotional response based on our understanding of the standalone thirty minute episode that we just watched. Same goes for other shows. Same goes for movies. In the context of these things which are self-contained and viewed all at once, even sudden, unexpected deaths seem to have a meaning.

But with Homestuck, though, it's just... it's another one of those archival vs serial reader things. Sure, we can see the warning signs in retrospect, but only then; everything else suggested that characters would stay alive a little longer, raise some mother grubs, talk to Doc Scratches, figure out black outs. All the things we've been introduced to through that character, and the things we see being worked out by that character, you'd expect it to be followed through by that same character.
Instead she gets killed very suddenly by someone with only a fraction of character development in comparison. At least Tavros and Vriska were roughly on equal standing when it comes to the net worth of their character development and exposure, you know?
There were things Kanaya could do and wanted to do which a permanent death just sorts of washes over and away.

But honestly? That's not the worst thing. Because at least you could say that those developments were there to ensure the effectiveness of her death, the emotional response from both the readers and the characters.

A little bit worse, but not THE worst, is the comedy bits. Which suggests that the death isn't serious. Even though the death dramatically speaking is pretty serious! But still, a SBaHJ panel? That's the kind of thing that you'd expect as an archive reader as a hint that the seriousness of the death should come in question, and whether or not that was the authorial intent.

But no, the worst things are the Unknowns, the false hopes. The sudden introduction of a relationship between her and Doc Scratch. The suggestion of an afterlife by Jadesprite and nightmare Feferi. The fact that nightmare Feferi resides roughly in the same place that Rose is blacking out to. The completely ambiguous nature of Rose's blackout. When you couple that with how Kanaya still wanted to do things, they become little hints of false hope for some form of revival outside the scope of current canon.
And those false hopes are pretty annoying.

Because with all things considered, the matriorb is shattered, the basics of Space duties have been passed on, and the only other factor which took up most of Kanaya's screentime, the only in-story factor which remains completely unresolved from Kanaya's perspective, was undeniably the relationship building that she's doing with Rose. And what if shipping just isn't that important to the story, considering the massive universal scope of the story? Relationships have been regarded as an important part of the story, but still. Not every relationship can be requited. And I suppose not every relationship can even grow to the level where the certainty of the requite can be determined by a confession. Which is the main thing that would put the stake through the character's life expectancy.
But them false hopes, despite the apparent and seemingly excruciatingly clear nature of the death, just sort of wants me to give Homestuck a break and wait until enough of the story goes along so that I could, in an archival way, see those ridiculous false hopes get snuffed out all at once. Because right now those uncertainties just make the death a little more frustrating than sad.

Is this silly? Does this sound silly to anyone? It felt silly typing it out.

[Overcast]

Not so silly, it is kinda how I view all death. It is painful because everything a person could ever do is gone, and often the fault of someone they didn't even know. There might be some hope that they are somewhere but you have no sure knowledge to console you, all you know is they are dead. As far as you know forever.

[IHateMakingNames]

I'm still hoping for Tavros to come back via dream self.

[Arcanum]

A little while ago I was thinking about Billious Slick and Lord English and I came to the following conclusion. As far as I know it is never specifically said that the Lord English summoning code is tied to the Troll's universe. In fact, the server running the code is situated in the void where the Horrorterrors are, which is the emptiness between all sessions, and the line of the code "import universe U;" could easily imply any instance of a universe will do. So basically it's possible that the code is just waiting for a Billious Slick to die (since B-Slick is the universe being created) and not necessarily a specific universe or Billious Slick.

So yeah, that's my take on how LE will come into existence. And in case it wasn't clear, it's probably going to be the Kids' version of Billious Slick that meets its untimely end.

[Specterbane]

I was going to say that since LE was running the Felt that it had to be the Troll universe, but then I remembered that with the whole scratch still being mysterious and Bec Noir having transfered universes it's possible for that to work.

I guess it could also be the Troll's Genesis Frog that dies, destroying the Kid's universe, to create LE in the Troll-verse.

[Archbio]

Also The Felt are totally amphibians.

[Pip Boy]

Tomorrow a page is going to go up that says "I troll u lol" and the series will never be completed.

[Geminex]

Tomorrow a page is going to go up that says "I troll u lol" and the series will never be completed.

And a picture of Vriska.

[Pip Boy]

And a picture of Vriska.

VriskaXJack amirite?

[Geminex]

And Jack was actually Andrew all along.
Eridan was also actually Andrew all along.

And then they take Nepeta's hat and Tavros' legs and fly off to alternia, where they live happily ever after as king and queen of trolls.

[Archbio]

Jack is currently being held frozen in time by Aradia (who would currently have no reason to suspect his attack) and has a strict honor code when it comes to people doing something he appreciates and holding up his own end of the bargain.

I assumed that it was an inexorable time lock independent of Aradia's continued existence or effort.

If not, then I suppose it would give something that Eridan could make himself useful with to buddy up with Jack. It's the only thing I can imagine, actually.

[Marc v4.0]

I am actually glad he spelled that shit out.

[Fifthfiend]

I actually just want to take a moment to acknowledge how fantastic the current thread title is.

SO STATED.

[Locke cole]

The official forums somehow managed to get an even better title.

Like, I couldn't have come up with that one if I'd tried.

[Arcanum]

Hmm I wonder if Doc Scratch meant to talk to Karkat all along, or if this event will turn out to be another one of his "pillars of shadow"

edit- that was the most suspenseful 5 minutes of my life

[Marc v4.0]

hahaha, oh wow that made me shiver

[Geminex]

Request threat title change to 'Don't turn your back on the body'.

That is all.

[MuMu]

Kan was a rainbow drinker all along.

[Loyal]

That was... ominous. I wonder which body he means.

[Wigmund]

I'm really trying to get excited...but I'm expecting more bullshit. Dammit Hussie!

[Marc v4.0]

I'm really trying to get excited...but I'm expecting more bullshit. Dammit Hussie!

"Don't turn your back on the bullshit"

[Specterbane]

I hate to say it, but Locke may have been right about this becoming a slasher.

[Loyal]

I have to say, that is the slowest goddamn cursor-highlighting ever.

[Krylo]

Hey, Doc Scratch, nice job making Karkat turn his back on the body, just to tell him not to turn his back on the body, jackass.

[POS Industries]

I actually just want to take a moment to acknowledge how fantastic the current thread title is.

SO STATED.
I felt it had to be done.

The official forums somehow managed to get an even better title.

Like, I couldn't have come up with that one if I'd tried.
Request threat title change to 'Don't turn your back on the body'.

That is all.
I try and I try and I try and you assholes just can't appreciate anything, can you?

[BitVyper]

Well....

That's terrifying.

[Locke cole]

I try and I try and I try and you assholes just can't appreciate anything, can you?
Did I say anything that implied that this isn't a great title?

I hate to say it, but Fifth may have been right about this becoming a slasher.

Oi! I said that!

[Wigmund]

Just gonna guess it's one of the following:
)(igh-bloods )(ave to die multiple times OR Tasting Mother Grub Blood Is A Bad Idea

[POS Industries]

Did I say anything that implied that this isn't a great title?
You implied that there were better titles for the occasion.

You wound me, sir. :(

[BitVyper]

You implied that there were better titles for the occasion.

You wound me, sir. :(

Of course! How could I have missed it all this time...

Everyone, his weak spot is his emotions! ATTACK!

[POS Industries]

Of course! How could I have missed it all this time...

Everyone, his weak spot is his emotions! ATTACK!
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/trappedinaglasscaseofemotion.png

[Wigmund]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/advimgs/ps/ps1368.gif

[BitVyper]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/trappedinaglasscaseofemotion.png

COMB RAVE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uU7-X0iHes&feature=related)

[Specterbane]

Oi! I said that!
:ohdear:
Yeah, my bad there.

[Fifthfiend]

I try and I try and I try and you assholes just can't appreciate anything, can you?

Some people just don't recognize a perfect soundtrack selection when it blows their internal organs out of their abdomen with the most MAGICAL of magicks.

[Archbio]

I try and I try and I try and you assholes just can't appreciate anything, can you?

How can I appreciate something that gets that goddamn song playing in my head every single time I read it?

[Flarecobra]

Somehow, I think he discovered it didn't actually do anything, so he combined the shitty wand, with the Ahab.