Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Arcanum]

It's not so much that Cal is a dream manifestation, but that he is a Derse construct which is specifically catered to Dave's subconscious. That's how I view the Derse/Prospit rooms at least; game constructs specifically catered to the player in question.

However that doesn't mean I'm ruling out that Gamzee might have (or at some point get) Cal. Mostly because that's downright terrifying and is a thing that needs to happen.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Jade once gave herself multiple arms when dreaming. Derse/Prospit may be physical worlds, but the Dreamselves seem to follow their own laws.

[Loyal]

UPDATE

John and Dave are everywhere, Jack. That's just how it is.

[The SSB Intern]

Jack would kill for some scooby snacks. Or for any other reason really.

[Art of Hilt]

Also, man, Jack Noir. You're such a- such- you're a BAD DOG.
BAD DOG.
YOU'RE SUCH A BAD, HORRIBLE DOG AND- oh god I can't stay mad at you you're like an adorable tiny puppy that drags in the corpses of squirrels you caught as presents and pisses all over the carpet and commits mass genocide and you're so proud of it

aha ha ha ha ha ha ha suddenly a lot more relevant than it had the right to be

e- even though the plot basically put WV as the one who will TOTALLY WEAR THE RING, I'm still hoping he switches roles with PM because
like
she's a mailwoman
BAD DOG vs MAILWOMAN is the ULTIMATE FACEDOWN

[Fifthfiend]

Putting on the ring would turn her into a dog though.

I mean, a maildog?

You can't tell me that's right.

[Loyal]

Everyone's been wanting her to put on the ring since she cut off HB's head.

[MuMu]

...Good dog?

I'm not really sure of what to think of...

e- So, he probably won't be able to kill Rose either? Sucks to be Dave though, that Crow must be damn angry about the whole sword thing.

[Loyal]

Well, at least something useful came out of that prototyping.

[Aldurin]

Geez the medium is a deathtrap since he very well had the chance to kill Jade right along with John and doomed Dave and the guardians. It's only a matter of time until Rose is under attack.

[rpgdemon]

So, let's make some predictions. Why does Rose go off the radar?

Is it because she dies, Kanaya is a vampire now, or what?

[Ryong]

...Was that a regular bed or Jade's questbed?

Heck, what'd happen if Jade died on her questbed? Would she turn into her own sprite or something?

[Specterbane]

It would be the bed we found her in so many pages ago (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004895).

[Loyal]

Is it because she dies, Kanaya is a vampire now, or what?
I'm ... not sure what that has to do with anything?

[Locke cole]

I'm ... not sure what that has to do with anything?

They share a title part. Perhaps he thinks that means that Jade would go all vampiric if she dies.

[Loyal]

He was asking about Rose, not Jade.

Rose and Kanaya are entirely unrelated in their titles and roles.

[Aldurin]

Oh gosh DD is gonna get fucked up, I just know it.

[Arcanum]

This update reminds me why I love the intermission so much. Part of me just loves the "he says/you say" narration.

[Loyal]

I'm pretty pleased that those guys weren't simply written out of the story. I was starting to worry that Jack might've killed 'em off in his omnicidal rage and at some point we'd just cut to their mutilated corpses.

[IHateMakingNames]

I thought Jack was just a force of killing nature at this point. Apparently he's still got some personality in him.

Also DD is the best of the Midnight Crew, so I'm glad we got to see him again.

[Solid Snake]

...Giving Jack Noir a bit more personality and some characters (DD?, CD?) to play off is one of the best moves Andrew's made in recent memory.
...Well, aside from everything involving the Kanpire lately.

He's really been on a roll.
LOL Just Kidding Guys, Snake is supposed to only say negative things about Homestuck

[synkr0nized]

I'm ... not sure what that has to do with anything?

I believe the suggestion is that Kanaya being a Kanpire is why she couldn't look in on future Rose, as she's not quite the same Kanaya. I'm not convinced that matters for the computers/Trollian, though, given all the time things the program's been capable of so far. I am anxious to see what really happens to Rose.

[Marc v4.0]

Clearly, if the plan is for Rose to leave the realm of viewing influence that the Troll technology has, then she cannot be viewed by said technology.

About as simple a reason there is.

[synkr0nized]

That still doesn't let me see what happens to her. My favourite human (well, at first) can't just be gone without a word. I require all of the Acts to be finished by tomorrow. Hussie better get on that.

[katiuska]

I'm wondering if the prototyping is in any way related to why we haven't seen Jack try to murder Rose yet. Or can we assume that Jasper's influence has been effectively overwritten by now?

[Locke cole]

Clearly, if the plan is for Rose to leave the realm of viewing influence that the Troll technology has, then she cannot be viewed by said technology.

About as simple a reason there is.

Oh, I see.

The only thing to define the Alpha timeline has been that that's the only one Trollian locks on to. Perhaps Rose seeks to screw destiny by leaving the scope of events supposedly chosen by the Alpha timeline. Getting off of Trollian's view is part one. I mean, if she'd created a branching timeline, she still wouldn't vanish from its display.

[Solid Snake]

...I used to interpret Rose's sudden disappearance as a sign that her plan would go awry in such a way that would require her to sacrifice her real self, as opposed to her dream self, in destroying the Green Sun. Then her dreamself would take over, which Kanaya would have difficulty locating.

...Further elaboration into the nature of resurrection via dream-self likely destroyed this theory, as well as the fact that Kanaya loses her ability to contact Rose while Rose is simply sitting around and minding her own business.

I can't say I'd have any particular clue, but even if Rose "dies" anytime soon, I'd highly doubt it'd be a permanent death. She's a major character, and there's a lot unsettled with her.
...It's strange how Jade and Rose have kind of swapped places though; it used to feel as if Jade was the most underdeveloped of the four kids, and now it feels like Jade's being more fully fleshed out (through frequent interactions with Dave and Karkat, her entry into the medium, Jack's newfound Bec-infused love for her, etc.) while Rose really hasn't done anything of consequence, or even really spoken to anyone as of late.

I miss her flirty banter with John and/or Kanaya.

[Krylo]

The green sun lies outside of time and space.

I think it's pretty obvious that Trollian wouldn't be able to use crazy time shit to locate someone who is outside of time and space.

[PCD]

Okay getting the evidence that I was actually right (http://i56.tinypic.com/2j2ydj6.jpg) about Jack's inability to kill Jade has finally cooled my overheated jets in regards to how annoyed I've been of late. I really do like the moment to take back and see that Jack still has a personality is really a refresher. Also DD is eternally awesome and I always like seeing him.

[Locke cole]

Well, I figure she'll rapidly become more releveant as soon as John extricates The Tumor and gives it to her.

Speaking of which, who else thinks that John's Ten Drill is going to end up collapsing the castle around Jack?

[synkr0nized]

All I was saying is that I don't think someone becoming a vampire matters to Trollian's ability to show you future shit, in response to the post I quoted. Rose and what she's doing, on the other hand...



How much of all this stuff will end up being cultivated and influenced by the noodly appendages of the horroterrors?

[Specterbane]

...It's strange how Jade and Rose have kind of swapped places though; it used to feel as if Jade was the most underdeveloped of the four kids, and now it feels like Jade's being more fully fleshed out (through frequent interactions with Dave and Karkat, her entry into the medium, Jack's newfound Bec-infused love for her, etc.) while Rose really hasn't done anything of consequence, or even really spoken to anyone as of late.

I miss her flirty banter with John and/or Kanaya.

It's kind of true that Jade took a more center stage as Rose seemed to take a smaller one, but we've never seen everything Rose was doing just like we've never seen everything Dave's doing. I think Hussie said some things as to why in the old Forumspring, but that was so cluttered with bull shit and so long ago that I can't remember. But Rose and Dave were always meant to be a little mysterious it seems, while Jade was just asleep.

Sadly though, we probably aren't going to see more of Rose until she gets the Tumor from John. Which needs we need more time with the kids and less of this Troll drama.

[Loyal]

UPDATE:

Huh. I wonder where Droog got ahold of that.

[Aldurin]

That's one wild card that's appeared again. Now where's Jade's Grandpa?

[POS Industries]

...It's strange how Jade and Rose have kind of swapped places though; it used to feel as if Jade was the most underdeveloped of the four kids, and now it feels like Jade's being more fully fleshed out (through frequent interactions with Dave and Karkat, her entry into the medium, Jack's newfound Bec-infused love for her, etc.) while Rose really hasn't done anything of consequence, or even really spoken to anyone as of late.

I miss her flirty banter with John and/or Kanaya.
The main reason for this is that Jade is the only one of the kids to get any sort of significant character development this act, and that's only because she needed to catch up with the others in that regard after mostly just sleeping through the previous four acts. Beyond that, the kids have really done little more than be sounding boards for the trolls, as this act has pretty much decidedly been the trolls' story.

And even still, despite being more subdued about it, Rose really has developed quite a bit during this act. Much of the reason Rose was interested in playing Sburb in the first place was due to Jade's prediction that it would allow her to bring back Jaspers, and in this act she's been shown to become able to let go of the past in a way she previously couldn't, and allowed the dead cat that she'd until then kept enshrined in a mausoleum to finally be free. She's more focused on moving forward than looking backward, and she's become more able to let herself go and actually have a good time with what she's doing, by her own admission. She's having fun, which appears to be an altogether new experience for her.

Of course, she's also developed some arguably negative qualities and her new take on life is likely leading her toward some serious trouble, but honestly they're all in some pretty deep shit anyway so whatever happens will probably be pretty par for the course, really.

I'd at least honestly still put her around even with Dave for character development in act 5, and both of them are above John in that regard. Sure, he's arguably had the most to do with furthering the plot of all the kids during this act but, if you'll notice, the only ones who've been developing as characters in any of his conversations have been Vriska, Karkat, and Rose. He's still pretty much the same old John, except a little more concerned with how he should be dealing with girls now.

[Donomni]

You know, if you aren't Jade or have Weird Time Shit, the most effective weapon against Jack could actually be a newspaper. Or a spray-bottle of water, I suppose.

[Solid Snake]

I'd at least honestly still put her around even with Dave for character development in act 5, and both of them are above John in that regard. Sure, he's arguably had the most to do with furthering the plot of all the kids during this act but, if you'll notice, the only ones who've been developing as characters in any of his conversations have been Vriska, Karkat, and Rose. He's still pretty much the same old John, except a little more concerned with how he should be dealing with girls now.

...I'm really 0kay with that, though; I don't feel like John has to mature or change his outlook, and I like him quite well enough as is. >.>
Yeah it's kind of weird to argue against character development for someone, but as Dave noted in a previous convo, John's sort of the group's constant. For him to become moody or sullen or cynical would basically destroy Homestuck for me.

I guess the nature of the bifurcated Act structure led me to believe that Act 5 Part 2 would be more about the kids, to counterbalance Alterniabound, which was 100% trolls. I am enjoying the troll shenanigans but I just wish there was more kids development to counterbalance it. Which, strangely enough, I suppose means that I'm arguing for Act 5 to be even longer. Perhaps a more appropriate way to put it is that Hussie should have abandoned his seven-act structure, further divided Act 5 Part 2, and given Rose and Dave something more to do, even if it really was just more vague allusions to a future plan we can't know much about yet.

I've really enjoyed this Jack Noir segway, though. Nice to see his perspective.

[Aldurin]

You know, if you aren't Jade or have Weird Time Shit, the most effective weapon against Jack could actually be a newspaper. Or a spray-bottle of water, I suppose.

I thought and alchemiter glitched to make a billion bones per minute would be more effective.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

...I'm really 0kay with that, though; I don't feel like John has to mature or change his outlook, and I like him quite well enough as is. >.>
Yeah it's kind of weird to argue against character development for someone, but as Dave noted in a previous convo, John's sort of the group's constant. For him to become moody or sullen or cynical would basically destroy Homestuck for me.

I think there's too much emphasis on character development in media today truth be told, I always thought of the development of a character as conflicts in the pursuit of happiness. But in cases like John he's already pretty happy, and he's not making anyone else around him miserable with it, so there's really no reason for him to change.
Thats' my take on it anyway.

Also I can't help but wonder how Troll session Jack might feel about the Kid's version.

[mauve]

Troll session Jack Wasn't Terezi planning to kill him? Snowman told her to do it, if I remember correctly.

[IHateMakingNames]

Wasn't Terezi planning to kill him? Snowman told her to do it, if I remember correctly.
I think she told him to exile Jack, not kill.

Either way, he was exiled and became Spades Slick.

[Hyndrays]

I see some green blood on Jack's sword, looks a little too dark to be Kanaya's though, but Nepeta's dead (or thought to be). Different Species?

[Kim]

That blood is from when he killed dream Nepeta.

[Hyndrays]

Sorry to change the subject on a whim, but i realized something earlier, and i was wondering whether or not this would be true.

Rose is planning to travel to the Green Sun and destroy (?) it with her dreamself, but..... If Jack Noir destroyed Derse and Prospit, would she even still have a dreamself with which to carry on said plan? Or do the trolls and humans have separate planets meaning he only destroyed the troll derse and prospit?

Edit: Also, How did Jack get back into the humans game? I thought The Scratch took him to the troll game, and that was it? Or did the scratch just kind of leave a permanent portal? Or is it his guardian powers? :l

[Specterbane]

Sorry to change the subject on a whim, but i realized something earlier, and i was wondering whether or not this would be true.

Rose is planning to travel to the Green Sun and destroy (?) it with her dreamself, but..... If Jack Noir destroyed Derse and Prospit, would she even still have a dreamself with which to carry on said plan? Or do the trolls and humans have separate planets meaning he only destroyed the troll derse and prospit?

Edit: Also, How did Jack get back into the humans game? I thought The Scratch took him to the troll game, and that was it? Or did the scratch just kind of leave a permanent portal? Or is it his guardian powers? :l

Yes, Jack only destroyed the Troll's Derse and Prospit. Each session is distinct from another. See where Karkat talks to John about how there are two different Jacks.

And, to answer the second question. Jack didn't get back to the Kids session, at least not as we've yet seen. From what we know it's pretty well concluded that the scratch hasn't happened yet in the Kid's session and Jack hasn't traveled to the Troll's session from it. Hence why Troll's (Bec)Jack has a bloody arm and Kid's (Bec)Jack doesn't.

EDIT: Also, UPDATE!

[Fifthfiend]

...I'm really 0kay with that, though; I don't feel like John has to mature or change his outlook, and I like him quite well enough as is. >.>
Yeah it's kind of weird to argue against character development for someone, but as Dave noted in a previous convo, John's sort of the group's constant. For him to become moody or sullen or cynical would basically destroy Homestuck for me.

IDK that change or maturity necessarily have to mean sullenness or cynicism.

I guess the nature of the bifurcated Act structure led me to believe that Act 5 Part 2 would be more about the kids,

Yeah I think this is one more thing I didn't really enjoy about the big murderfest derail, cause up to that it had still felt pretty focused on the kids and whatever the big Plan To Get Jack was/is supposed to be.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

UPDATE:
BOOYA, ARADIA!

[MuMu]

Hmm I thought that Dave's and Aradia's time manipulation differed in that she manipulated it while he cruised through it. Guess I was wrong.

[synkr0nized]

...did she jump into his Bec-green-shit somehow?
I mean I may just be over-analyzing a .gif file, but that could have neat results.

[Loyal]

Iiiiit looks like she phased right through him.

I'm thinking Rose's dreamself is safe prior to green sun shenanigans, barring teleport-murder. Jack's agents are still on Derse, and it seems he at least intends to rule that planet in the queen's stead.

[edit]Hmm I thought that Dave's and Aradia's time manipulation differed in that she manipulated it while he cruised through it. Guess I was wrong. You remember the literally thousands of Aradia-bots, right?

[MuMu]

Nope, completely forgot that!

Shit, I just finished watching Make Her Pay where she cruises around in her music box thingies, what the hell, brain?

[Arcanum]

...did she jump into his Bec-green-shit somehow?
I mean I may just be over-analyzing a .gif file, but that could have neat results.

I also think that's what happened, since the only other possibility is that she traveled in time as soon as she released him but if that happened she would have vanished before Jack reached her.


Hmm I thought that Dave's and Aradia's time manipulation differed in that she manipulated it while he cruised through it. Guess I was wrong.

The way I see it, they use their respective time-devices (Dave's turn tables and Aradia's music boxes) to travel through time. Meanwhile the time manipulation would only happen when they either reach God Tier, or are sufficiently provoked into tapping into their powers (like when John first did the Windy Thing)

[Dracorion]

I think she just jumped into his green shit and teleported off somewhere.

Alternatively, she's in the same place he stores Cal.

[Hyndrays]

Kinda confused as to why she would not just fly away before releasing him....?
Or did she freeze time altogether, and in such, freeze herself also?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Kinda confused as to why she would not just fly away before releasing him....?
Or did she freeze time altogether, and in such, freeze herself also?

As she said freezing him took almost all her concentration. To move, she had to stop freezing Jack.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think she phased into him the same way Cal did.

Kinda confused as to why she would not just fly away before releasing him....?

She has to be focused. That probably means close range. Also, he can teleport.

[Hyndrays]

Bluh. Stupid guardian powers

[Loyal]

Stupid, yes, but it's hardly his fault Bec was a dog.

[IHateMakingNames]

I checked the actual gif, and Aradia does disappear into Jack's green flashing profile.

[Locke cole]

Yeah, considering we were just shown that Jack can store items in his phasewhatever, Aradia's probably in hammerspace with Li'l Cal.

[Hyndrays]

Stupid, yes, but it's hardly his fault Bec was a dog.

I mean the fact that it makes him so strong :P

[Ryong]

Wouldn't he acknowledge someone going into his hammerspace?

...I was going to say more, but dang.

[Arcanum]

Wouldn't he acknowledge someone going into his hammerspace?

...I was going to say more, but dang.

Probably if he wasn't so infuriated by being frozen in a single moment and attempting everything he possibly can to free himself, quickly followed by confusion at the disappearance of a murder target.

[Loyal]

So... the green sun is... INSIDE Jack? Or Jack (and others with FG powers) is a portal to it?

Cal = Lord English.

[rpgdemon]

UPDATE:




Looks like she used his stuff to teleport to the http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/greensun.gif.

And now she waits in the place beyond time.

[Locke cole]

That would explain why there's a masked flash of the GS every time they do stuff.

[Hyndrays]

What's she gonna do with it though? O.o

[Art of Hilt]

Well obviously she's going to get a tan.

[Aldurin]

Cal is gonna murder Aradia.

[MuMu]

Who else to wear the stitched coat if not the one who is stitched himself

[Pip Boy]

Maybe cal is the stitched coat.

[rpgdemon]

I might be completely late to the party, and everyone might be all, "Well, DUH", but I just realized. Doc Scratch could be the "scratch" that lets Jack out.

Edit: UPDATE

[Hyndrays]

A memory? O.o

Looks like a human memory if that is possible.

Blue skies, and what looks like a cloud? O.o

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its the dream bubble of dead Dave. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005379)

This was explained pretty recently.

[Hyndrays]

Ah. Was not aware there was only. ONE. Dreambubble.

[Bard The 5th LW]

There are probably many. This is most likely the perspective of Aradia entering his in the past though.

You seemed confused as to what it meant, so I simply showed you the beginning of the whole afterlife explanation.

[Hyndrays]

Oh wow. Makes a lot of sense now x.x

Bluh. Time powers.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not time powers. We just saw what happened in the bubble earlier, and now we are seeing how she got there. Its far from the first time this has happened.

[Hyndrays]

I know i just wish Andrew would keep it linear x.x

[Aldurin]

I know i just wish Andrew would keep it linear x.x

Dude, think about what you are saying, in some cases (troll vs. human sessions) linear is absolutely impossible because time is only constant within each medium, but not necessarily in synch with eachother (being able to talk with someone at any point along their timeline).

Outside of that is a whole time/physics shitpile with a green sun and dead memories.

EDIT: In other words . . .
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbinlBeoY1qf8yek.gif

[Flarecobra]

Huh. Wonder where that soulbot went to...

Only one way to find out, and that's to wait.

[Art of Hilt]

Update.

OH GOD LIL CAL IS IN THE TROLL UNIVERSE NOW

Indeed, it is not off the table that there is a second Cal...

...and that he is currently in Gamzee's possession.

OH GOD NOW SUDDENLY AND HORRIFYINGLY POSSIBLE
ONLY IT IS NOT A SECOND CAL BUT THE SAME CAL

[Aldurin]

Cal has to be sentient if he can pull that crap without Bro-blur manipulation.

But wait, is that Cal's bubble?

[Specterbane]

JACK! NOOOOO! How could you do that! HE WAS YOUR ONE TRUE FRIEND!! (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005451)

[Arcanum]

But wait, is that Cal's bubble?

No it's the memory of the robo-Aradia who got entangled by Cal.

Also,

Update.

OH GOD LIL CAL IS IN THE TROLL UNIVERSE NOW

Indeed, it is not off the table that there is a second Cal...

...and that he is currently in Gamzee's possession.


OH GOD NOW SUDDENLY AND HORRIFYINGLY POSSIBLE
ONLY IT IS NOT A SECOND CAL BUT THE SAME CAL

This ^

[Aldurin]

GAAAHHHH!!!

Don't go there!!

[Art of Hilt]

ARADIA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF THE FROG

e- update makes her an ACTUAL ARADIANA JONES ON THE TEMPLE OF AN ACTUAL FROG
OH MAN IT'S NOT SPLIT IN TWO YET oh right because ghost Aradia splits it in two later that was like the first thing she did nvm

[Loyal]

If Aradia doesn't get chased down by some sort of boulder by the end of this interlude I will hit something.

[Aldurin]

The only thing I can think of now is "Equius makes robo-Cal". I may have nightmares now.

[Marc v4.0]

So, he takes Trophies, and he has the wallet that John is holding at the moment.


Welp.

[Locke cole]

Bah. Dad clearly carried a spare wallet.

Where else would he keep his spare spare car?

[rpgdemon]

I believe that he DOESN'T take trophies anymore?

Except for Cal. He can never stay mad at Cal.

[Art of Hilt]

Noir might've promised never to take trophies anymore.
BUT CAL NEVER MADE SUCH A PROMISE

also man Aradia is just so happy to find a hat like Indiana Jones it's adorable

[Specterbane]

Guys! Guys! Guys! You're missing the biggest giveaway in Homestuck. Aradia is fedoraFreak.

[Aldurin]

I don't think so, I don't see Aradia making a urine filter out of socks.

[stefan]

IDE/THEORY: there is a program (coded at a later date) on the crosbytop that, when loaded onto the computers at the asteroid, will result in completing the Scratch and sending the trolls to the human session/vice versa. John deliberately gave cal the wallet so that it ends up in the hands of one of the trolls.

[Solid Snake]

I'm kind of torn between thinking it's awesome to see Aradia's backstory and see some Indiana Jones references, and feeling frustrated that this is something that could have been told to us from a single Aradia Pesterchum chat or something, and required considerably less time than is being dedicated.

...Like given how long Act 5 has been, a part of me is just like "can't every update from here on out actually be important?" And even if Andrew finds some ridiculously awesome way to make this sequence of events utterly critical to the narrative in retrospect, it still could have been revealed in far less panels and with far less effort. As is, finding out exactly what happened to Cal and how Aradia discovered the temple feels more just a cute little Easter Egg that readers didn't particularly need to know.

[Dracorion]

Personally I'm glad we're seeing how Aradia used to be before she died.

Seeing as a few characters made a big deal about how different she became.

[rpgdemon]

I'm kind of torn between thinking it's awesome to see Aradia's backstory and see some Indiana Jones references, and feeling frustrated that this is something that could have been told to us from a single Aradia Pesterchum chat or something, and required considerably less time than is being dedicated.

...Like given how long Act 5 has been, a part of me is just like "can't every update from here on out actually be important?" And even if Andrew finds some ridiculously awesome way to make this sequence of events utterly critical to the narrative in retrospect, it still could have been revealed in far less panels and with far less effort. As is, finding out exactly what happened to Cal and how Aradia discovered the temple feels more just a cute little Easter Egg that readers didn't particularly need to know.

I don't buy it, personally. Considering that this was, essentially, one update, in a normal format. It's not spending a ton of time on something, and show not tell is much better than, "Hey, here's a pesterchum log of all that happened but doesn't give you an idea of how awesome I was."

[Loyal]

Yeah, this isn't quite "the funniest conversation ever" or "the best rap-off in paradox space". It pays to actually see what happened here.

[The Argent Lord]

I'm sort of confused by the "Act 5 is so bloody long" comments that happen every so often, honestly. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't THINK about what act we're in or how long it's been going when I read the comic. Do other people? Is the act structure critical to the enjoyment of the comic in some way I'm not understanding? Snake, would this scene be more acceptable somehow if we had had an epic Act 5 closer last week and were now partway into Act 6?

[rpgdemon]

I'm sort of confused by the "Act 5 is so bloody long" comments that happen every so often, honestly. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't THINK about what act we're in or how long it's been going when I read the comic. Do other people? Is the act structure critical to the enjoyment of the comic in some way I'm not understanding? Snake, would this scene be more acceptable somehow if we had had an epic Act 5 closer last week and were now partway into Act 6?

Yeah, I don't get it either. I really don't pay attention to the acts, and find the, "Act over, here's AH doing stuff" bits to be kind of not too great.

[MuMu]

Plus, we're still in the dream bubble, no? Chances are this won't be just a simple flashback.

[Flarecobra]

We all need time from all the serious stuff for something fairly lighthearted.

[Art of Hilt]

show not tell is much better than, "Hey, here's a pesterchum log of all that happened but doesn't give you an idea of how awesome I was."

Yeah, this was something that I heard as a complaint against the earlier part of Act Five Act Two, where we just jump over things that the characters did and have them just tell us in retrospect (hello Rose and also sometimes Dave). I personally found that kind of frustrating as well. It's like, Yeah okay maybe some of those things might be considered boring to watch, but it would still be nice to see some of it, you know? Just something beyond "And then this happened". I'm enjoying this flashback, personally. It gives us a nice look at how Aradia used to be before we knew her as a ghostfrogrobot, which in turn serves as a nice refresher of what it means for Aradia to be alive again.
We also get to see a transdimensional time loop close up ("How did Aradia get the Crosbytop?"), in a way that foreshadows a dilemma that'll happen in the past ("How did John lose the wallet?").
I think this last bit especially was why seeing the events in person was important. I can't imagine how that information can be conveyed in a pesterlog without feeling out-of-the-blue.

It- the final panel with the hat in particular- also conveys what I believe to be the most plot critical plot point in the story.

Aradia plays too much TF2.

[Solid Snake]

Snake, would this scene be more acceptable somehow if we had had an epic Act 5 closer last week and were now partway into Act 6?

Actually, I've thought about this a bit and I've concluded I'd have felt a lot btter about things if Act 5 ended just before the Grimdark twist with the trolls began, and then the Grimdark Troll Murdering Festival was presented instead as an Intermission before the beginning of Act 6. "Hivebent Part 2," if you will.

As for Aradia in the past, sure it can be shown, but it could have been shown in less updates. I dunno. It depends on the payoff, I guess. I think at this point it's more a criticism specific to serialized readers, insofar as someone checking updates on a daily basis falls into the "superhero comics" trap of being disappointed when it feels like there's a long lull before a payoff. At this juncture I personally feel that we've sort of gone long enough without getting to the climax and acquiring significant answers to questions and learning what the stakes really are.

...Although I think it's less a critique of Aradia gallavanting around as Indiana Jones specifically, and more related to my personal interpretation of where the narrative was headed upon the sudden seismic shift in tone accompanying the "Troll Murderfest" developments. I kind of thought the sudden dark tonality meant we were finally reaching the climax, as if perhaps the only bright side of watching characters I like go crazy and kill each other was that it was a necessary step in order for us to reach the Important Climax and learn Exactly What Was Going On.

Instead, it kind of feels like the Grimdark developments was independent of any such buildup, and that in fact we'd experience more shifts in tone before reaching the climax with the Kids and the Scratch and the Denizens and defeating Jack Noir.

...Which gets me back to my original point: If the troll-centric Murdering Shenanigans has presented as an Intermission, like "Hivebent Part 2," I wouldn't have fallen into the trap of presuming that the dark buildup was leading us to the end of the story, and I would have treated the events as an interlude (akin to the Midnight Crew or the original Hivebent) with a different thematic feel than the rest of the storyline. So then if the story decided to get lighthearted again in "Act Six" and decided to include a bunch more flashbacks and revelations that really weren't leading us to a final confrontation or progression with major plot points, I'd feel less bummed or misleaded into believing we were finally going to get serious answers.

...It's surprising how much typing this has reminded me of the kinds of complaints I regularly made against Lost during its run. To all those personally offended when I get all critical of Homestuck, all I can say is Lost was my favorite television show of all-time and I critiqued it more than anything else I've ever watched. I tend to be a lot more vocal and lot more harsh with my favorites, because I imagine lofty possibilities that do not always come to fruition.

[Loyal]

Aradia: Fucks with time for kicks and grins.

[Hyndrays]

hehehe.

Love sollux's reaction at the end of that chat log there. :P

[Solid Snake]

Sorry for bein' stupid but I seem to have forgotten the exact rules of the characters interacting in Memories.

...This isn't what happened canonically, right? That is, God-Tier Aradia is not actually influencing the past, she is simply viewing the memory of the past from the perspective of the "other" (now-dead) Aradia?
Does this mean that this is a "dead" version of Sollux too?

[Hyndrays]

I wouldn't imagine so, since Sollux is currently not dead that we know of, so most likely not. This could be God Aradia contacting them in the past, or, For all we know could be a doomed timeline but that seems unlikely as it would be pointless.

But technically your idea could be true, just in the future.

[Bard The 5th LW]

If Jade's bubble and dead Dave's bubble are indicators, then the bubbles can go off track fairly easily. It probably didn't happen in this fashion.

[Loyal]

Also, this Aradia may or may not be "our" Aradia.

[Dracorion]

It could be Sollux's dead dreamself or his dead realself.

[Arcanum]

Anything that happens in a Dream Bubble is based on the memories of the Bubble's owner. In this case, Doomed Robo-Aradia (although it might have cycled back to to young-Aradia, which is entirely possible since Doomed Robo-Aradia was young-Aradia once upon a time).

However, things in Dream Bubble's are always subject to change. Hence the "second time having this conversation" bit, because it is in fact the second time Doomed Robo-Aradia and (this is my guess here) Dead Dream Sollux.

In other words, events happening in a Dream Bubble are not memories being played out like a movie. It's more like the memory is a play, and the actors are free to change the dialogue and actions every time they preform it. Or you could even have a brand new actor appear on scene, like what Aradia is doing now and did with Dave.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah it seems to be the doomed Robo Aradia, who was also the normal alive Aradia at some point in the past. The Sollux is either a construct of the bubble, or a sleeping Sollux.

[Kerensky287]

Both Aradias are going to merge into Voltron-Aradia (Voltradia) and Sollux is a doppelganger.

[Marc v4.0]

wow, this just keeps getting better and better.

[Flarecobra]

Anyone else see Sollux eventually donning a LaForge-esque VISOR?

[Geminex]

Clearly there is only one way this can end.
> Everyone: Shut up and jam

[Dracorion]

That is a snazzy suit Jade is wearing.

[Ryong]

"TA: because she's asleep, she's dead, y0u're alive, and i'm blind, c0uldn't be simpler."

That was the best thing ever.

[Art of Hilt]

Yes this is the best.
Afterlife/memories/moving in space means moving in time/having kids and trolls in the same place this is the best.
Also oh hey
I guess Kanaya was in a dream bubble before she became a vampire

[Geminex]

Oh my god shit is about to get real.

[Art of Hilt]

god i know right
i mean look at what aradia is saying damn
if there is a perspective switch i will get so mad i'll
i'll
post a gif that represents how mad i am

[greed]

What if the perspective switch is to Kanpire?

I think I'd be okay with that.

[Geminex]

Yeah, that's kinda what I meant. There is no possible 'bad' perspective switch.

John? Drilling his way to the core. Rose? About to get her Orb on. Jade? Makin' frogs. Dave is being cool. And all the trolls are either being dramatic or being adorable.

[Arcanum]

We're going to get a 100 page intermission of the Courtyard Droll making snowmen and doing other winter things on Jade's planet. It will be the best and worst perspective switch ever.

[Aldurin]

I wonder if Jadesprite will ever do anything or have any relevance again?

[POS Industries]

I wonder if Jadesprite will ever do anything or have any relevance again?
If you have this question about anything that's ever been in this comic, the answer is obviously yes.

[IHateMakingNames]

This must be leading up to Gamzee. He is the most important character.

[rpgdemon]

Yes this is the best.
Afterlife/memories/moving in space means moving in time/having kids and trolls in the same place this is the best.
Also oh hey
I guess Kanaya was in a dream bubble before she became a vampire

Where is this Kanaya being there coming from?

[Locke cole]

This is Kanaya's memory. It's the road just outside her hive.

[Dracorion]

If that's true, then I suspect we're about to get another Doc Scratch Moment.

[Arcanum]

You can tell it's Kanya's memory because of the lunchbox. Jade's lunchbox has squiddles on it, Kanaya's has cuttle fish (is that what they're called? I don't remember) on it.

[Locke cole]

Naw, they're Cuddlefish

[Wigmund]

Yes this is the best.
Afterlife/memories/moving in space means moving in time/having kids and trolls in the same place this is the best.
Also oh hey
I guess Kanaya was in a dream bubble before she became a vampire

And then we find Kanaya is still there. Vamp!Kanaya is in fact a soulless husk.

[Art of Hilt]

She must be a really nice soulless husk to put bandages on her bite victims, though.

btw LOOKS like there won't be no updates for a few days

We'll be rehosting the site over the weekend to upgrade the server and hopefully improve site performance. Not totally sure how long this will take, but we might see a few days without updates. You have already worn your F5 key down to a useless nub, so please take advantage of this time to go easy on it. Maybe try some other F keys for a while? They're nice too.

[Dracorion]

Damn. I was hoping he was working on a flash.

[rpgdemon]

Hopefully it's both!

[Aldurin]

Damn. I was hoping he was working on a flash.

It'd damn better be!

[Solid Snake]

Guess what just came in the mail

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o453/AceOfDiamonds29/IMG_0034b.jpg

Yay

I will now proceed to squeal like a thirteen year old girl over this development.

I Should Also Begin To Type Like This In Celebration

[Locke cole]

Punch a hole through its stomach and glue sequins to it.

[Arcanum]

Don't forget the grub sauce and purple scarf.

[MuMu]

And throw some glitter on it too.

[Geminex]

Does... does she have Cal-eyes?

[Loyal]

They both have regular doll-eyes. It's only remarkable for Cal because he has those same eyes, in hi-res, in a medium otherwise dominated by aliased pixels.

[Hyndrays]

Doesn't seem to be any conversation, so i suppose it won't hurt to bring up something i noticed awhile back.

How would john have planted the wallet on Cal? We haven't seen him have any interaction with him/it yet have we?

[Loyal]

We don't know yet. It hasn't happened from our perspective.

[Aldurin]

Doesn't seem to be any conversation, so i suppose it won't hurt to bring up something i noticed awhile back.

How would john have planted the wallet on Cal? We haven't seen him have any interaction with him/it yet have we?

That is clearly Dad's backup wallet that Cal stole/ate when Jack wasn't looking.

[Marc v4.0]

Yes, and Bro is still alive too

[Art of Hilt]

Bet:
John drops the wallet like a derp.
Because he loses the wallet he also loses the laptop, and that's why he makes the Cosbytop from the beginning of the act.
Jack picks it up to help follow John's scent somehow.

[greed]

YAY Update which introduces more questions than answers.

Still Cal's got some swanky and familiar new duds.

[Token]

Called CaledScratch ages ago. Fuck yes.

[Art of Hilt]

Kanaya Maryam is the scourge of surprise birthday parties everywhere.
Also holy shit cal guardian code oh shit my mind is full of fuuuuuuuuuu

[Marc v4.0]

Called CaledScratch ages ago. Fuck yes.

Caledfwlch is the Welsh name for Excalibur, hence "Caled" and Dave combined it with his timetables, derived from his turntables, which are used in hip-hop and rap to create a distinctive sound by "Scratch"ing.

Nothing to call

[Token]

Caledfwlch is the Welsh name for Excalibur, hence "Caled" and Dave combined it with his timetables, derived from his turntables, which are used in hip-hop and rap to create a distinctive sound by "Scratch"ing.

Nothing to call

It was a joke. Based on the fact that Cal is the basis for Scratch. I called that back when I first got to Scratch's introduction.

[Aldurin]

That is still creepy that Cal is getting Felt duds, and that (subsequently after?) five of the trolls started flipping out and writing on the walls.

[Donomni]

Man, if this leads into Cal As Lord English, I will flip my shit.

Shit will be flipped.

[Marc v4.0]

It was a joke. Based on the fact that Cal is the basis for Scratch. I called that back when I first got to Scratch's introduction.

Derp.


Man, if this leads into Cal As Lord English, I will flip my shit.

Shit will be flipped.


I'm with you on that one

[Flarecobra]

Why am I reminded of that trip through Cloud's subconcsus in FF7 with this series of updates?

[Solid Snake]

...Yeah I have no idea what the heck is going on there.

Tick Tock Break Heads?

[MuMu]

I'm going with

Tick
Tock
Heads Break

It kinda makes a little more sense. But then again, this is most likely a metaphor.

[Arcanum]

It's about time we learn about Doc Scratch's origin.

Edit-- Also this makes me think that Jack is going to be sent into the past in the Troll's universe

AA: completing the phrase of legend
AA: the persisting sounds said to accompany the ultimate demise of the tyrant less an arm and an eye

Edit2-- My crazy guess as of right now: Jack is sent into the past, becomes a tyrant on Alternia, but Lord English appears and kills him because his continued presence would throw a wrench in LE's future summoning.

Edit3-- Crazy guess #2: Doc Scratch's pure white head isn't a head at all. It's a shell. And when his "head" is broken, underneath is his true head, his true face. That's right, Doc Scratch is a genetically altered clone of Cal.

[Art of Hilt]

A break is that first shot in pool when you shoot the cueball into the racked formation of balls.

But that sort of leaves "Heads" alone as the mystery word
(Funny enough, Terezi's coin is also one-eyed).

[Arcanum]

Hmmm this is a bit of a stretch (read: a massive stretch) but running with the pool analogy, the "heads" could be referring to the Felt and how their hats are like rest of the balls.

Like I said, a bit of a stretch but it's the first thing that came to mind.

[Revising Ocelot]

I just spent several weeks reading this entire thing from the beginning to the latest update involving time travel breaking heads, thanks to seeing this gargantuan thread.



I hate you all. SO MUCH TIME CONSUMED!

[Doc ock rokc]

I just spent several weeks reading this entire thing from the beginning to the latest update involving time travel breaking heads, thanks to seeing this gargantuan thread.



I hate you all. SO MUCH TIME CONSUMED!

I am sorry man. I probably shouldn't have introduced the MSPA weed into the delicate fields of NPF

[Pip Boy]

If by weed you mean meth, I agree completely.

[Doc ock rokc]

Its not like meth its like all the ingredients to make meth...Give a man some meth he will be high for a day, teach a man to make meth and...sorry what are we talking about.

[BitVyper]

So, he takes Trophies, and he has the wallet that John is holding at the moment.


Welp.

Assuming you're indicating that you think John will die... if he does, he'd have to either get a different sort of afterlife from everyone else, or be specifically hidden, 'cause Jadesprite told us he was nowhere to be found when she looked.

It's not impossible, but so far all we've got is a bloody wallet, and a statement indicating that he wasn't in the afterlife. We also know John gets around a lot prior to the scratch, since he was seen on LoHaC in his first conversation with Karkat, and he has to take the tumor to Rose on LoLaR at some point if that plan is going to work. So really, that wallet could end up just about anywhere with anyone.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just throwing this out there, but a few things seem to be leading up to something.

1. Jack refers to Cal as his best friend. He trusts Cal.

2. Events seem to be leading up to the possibility that Doc Scratch was made from Cal.

3. Scratch is pretty much totally loyal to Lord English.

Who does this seem to imply Lord English is?

[Aldurin]

Oh shit Bro Cal must be LE!!

[Locke cole]

Lord English is supposed to be Jack's enemy, though. Isn't he?

I mean, we've already gone through the "made you think Jack was LE" thing once before.

[Pip Boy]

He doesn't quite seem to fit the LE profile either. He was never a demon summoned at the end of the universe that could travel back in time. For the most part, it seemed he was simply just wimpy little Jack Noir. Furthermore, since both sessions had their own Jack, he seems to be more of an entity created as part of the game (that has grown out of control) whereas Lord English seems bigger somehow.

[Grimpond]

So...Jack is Agent Smith?

[Dracorion]

Huh.

I think this is the first time we've seen god tier Vriska in sprite form.

[Loyal]

Huh. What is Vriska doing there?

[Dracorion]

She's sleeping.

So is Terezi.

Thankfully, Gamzee doesn't seem to be there.

[BitVyper]

Well, time is funny there, so she could be from just about any point. I'm guessing she's dreaming and not actually there physically, since hers was one of the memories they entered.

Could even be from the two seconds she was knocked out.

[Revising Ocelot]

Notice how Terezi goes from crying to bite marks (which Kanaya also sees).

honkHONK.

[Aldurin]

After seeing several other trolls flip out and write on the walls against their will, I'm not too surprised that Gamzee went apeshit about the coding too.

I just wonder why it was prevented?

[rpgdemon]

I had assumed the Tick/Tock heralding the tyrant with one hand's death was a Peter Pupa Pan reference, with Captain Hook.

Thinking it over further, possibilities:

1) The Felt's clocks.
2) One hand/eye = Jack Noire.
3) That's all I got.

[Bard The 5th LW]

And then Dream Gamzee killed them all.

[Art of Hilt]

Update.

And now it makes perfect sense why Kanaya went after Gamzee first.

[Flarecobra]

And gives an idea as to what the hell that thing in the tank was.

[Solid Snake]

Update.

And now it makes perfect sense why Kanaya went after Gamzee first.

DAMN YOU HUSSIE STOP MAKING ME LOOK STUPID IN RETROSPECT WITH YOUR TIME-TRAVELING SHENANIGANS

[Art of Hilt]

DAMN YOU HUSSIE STOP MAKING ME LOOK STUPID IN RETROSPECT WITH YOUR TIME-TRAVELING SHENANIGANS

I WARNED YOU ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING
I WARNED YOU BRO

Also I wonder if Jade took a look at those movie posters and thought, "Huh. I think I saw that film before, only less grey."

[IHateMakingNames]

Update yo.

Lots of people can feel smart now.

[Dracorion]

Hm. That third screen might indicate there was more involved in Scratch's creation than Cal and the cue ball.

[Arcanum]

BABY SCRATCH!

Can someone with gif skills make me an animated version of my shitty screen-capped avatar? Because that would be awesome.

[IHateMakingNames]

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7031/scratch.gif
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1716/scratch2.gif

One is slowed down so it's less eye destroying.

[Arcanum]

One is slowed down so it's less eye destroying.

Now why would I want that?

But still, thank you!

[Aldurin]

And thus Alternia's First Guardian was a creepy psychotic puppet person that knew everything.

[Loyal]

Now why would I want that?

But still, thank you!Actually, would you mind?

[Art of Hilt]

DAMN YOU SNOWMAN
DAAAMN
YOOOU
SNOOOOWMAAAAAAAAN

And now Doc Scratch's implied attachment to Kanaya makes sense.
Or at least now there's precedence for it to make sense if the implication becomes explicit.
Either way, D'awwww.

BUT WAIT.
If Scratch is Cal.
And Scratch is talking to Rose.
Then...
Oh no. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003621)
OH NO. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003622)

[IHateMakingNames]

I want to see Dave and Scratch meet.

[Art of Hilt]

SUDDENLY UPDATE

OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT

[Hyndrays]

This leads me to believe Bro was/is lord english.
Think about it.
Doc wasn't created until after he was dead (And Doc wants to bring LE to existence).
On top of that, Cal now has felt clothes.
Plus Bro had the whole moving wicked fast thing to make Cal hand Dave's ass to him.

That's pretty much all there is to say on the matter.

[Marc v4.0]

can someone copy/paste the white text to here please? I am out of town for a few days with only my phone and I cannot select text

[Krylo]

You once again try to be Doc Scratch, and fail spectacularly. You can't be him no matter how hard you try. It is impossible.

[In fact, I think it would be for the best if I commandeered the narrative completely for a while. I trust you won't mind if I speak in white. It's not actually negotiable, but as a courtesy I will enclose my words between a pair of visually audible brackets.

I am doing this because I can.]

[I am also doing it because I am expecting a guest to arrive shortly. This should enable me to show the man the sort of hospitality he deserves, while doing the same for you.

My apartment doesn't have a doorbell. Why would an omniscient fellow need to be alerted to the presence of a visitor? I know he will be right on time. Which is to say, early. And if I did have a doorbell, you would have just witnessed it ring.

He is already here.]

[Marc v4.0]

Many thanks.

Also HOLYSHITLORDENGLISHSOON

but probably LOLFAKEOUTJUMPCUTTOEXILES

[Specterbane]

I'm still expecting the guest to be Hussie himself and then starting a recap. I'd love to see the plot advance soon, but I just don't expect things to go that easily.

[Locke cole]

It's probably Jack.

"He is already here."

Oh wait that could refer to Lord English as well.

[Revising Ocelot]

It's so heavily implied to be Lord English that it -won't- be Lord English.

Lil Cal maybe.

[Viridis]

Doc Scratch remains my favorite character.

[Donomni]

It's kinda jarring to see the super-suave Doc Scratch have origins from the creepiest yet most memetic puppet ever made.

Likely the point, of course.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

AG: Listen, John.
AG: Regardless of what I did, he is already here.
AG: I know this consequence will 8e hard for you to accept, 8ut whenever you feel angry or confused a8out it, just repeat this to yourself.
AG: It should 8ecome your mantra!
AG: He is already here.

He is already here.

[Locke cole]

But Sollux, even with his vision twofold, does not have the perceptional luxuries of our vision omnipresent.

When executed, the subprogram will summon an indestructible demon into the recently voided universe. This monstrous being with the power to travel through time is inconvenienced very little by his arrival upon THE GREAT UNDOING. He has the entire cadaver of the expired universe to pick apart at his whim. From its birth through its swelling maturity and tapering decay. In a reality he is known to have marked for predation, he will go about assembling followers through various epochs, even going as far as personally establishing the parameters for his future summoning.

Sollux couldn't know that the virus is essentially a formality.

The demon is already here.

[BitVyper]

I'm still thinking that Lord English either is (an iteration of) Jack having gone through another metamorphosis, or in some way a product of Jack - possibly a result of what is done to beat him. Like I said before, Jack would have to change pretty drastically both physically and mentally to be LE though, but eons of eating universes could do that, I suppose. I also kind of think he could be Jade's "grandson," (whether they're actually related or not), as that's the only other character in the comic who is still really shrouded in mystery, but it would seem weird for LE to do his own dirty work (setting things up with the bunny).

He is kind of Necron-like, so it's entirely possible that he's something completely new (although we've been aware of him since the first intermission, so it's not like it would be an ass pull). I suppose he could be one of the dead characters too (I'd almost bet on Equius in that scenario just 'cause Heir of Void sounds like a good title for a carrion feeder who eats dead universes), or a Black King. Other possibilities abound...

Of course, there's no guarantee that even SEEING him will solve the mystery at this point. Whoever he is - if he is someone we know - he can't really look like anyone.

Edit: And regardless of where it has been repeated, the "he is already here" refrain makes me think it's definitely someone we already know.

[Arcanum]

Lord English is obviously Hearts Boxcars/Hegemonic Brute. Who else would fit inside LE's coat?
http://i.imgur.com/Rd3E0Ew.png

[MuMu]

Considering Scratch was Cal out of all people, all bets are off on LE and who will kill Scratch.

[akaSM]

Have we seen any character, other than Lord English whose initials are LE?

[Grimpond]

Oh shit, it's SLICK!

[greed]

The only disappointing thing about this page is he didn't borrow CD's bull penis cane to smack Mr Vanilla Milkshakes with.

[Revising Ocelot]

CLOCK! (Tick tock break heads? Nah.)

Guess he's just carrying on the "Kill all Felt!" campaign.




I would have thought he'd be using Crowbar's crowbar, though.

[Art of Hilt]

Making Slick relevant again is probably the best possible option.
Yesss Slick you spiteful bastard.
Haa haa.
Hee hee.
Hoo.
Hoo.


Well, I might. If you would just show some manners and stop hitting me with that ridiculous horse hitcher. I won't crack no matter how senseless the drubbing. If only it were that simple.

If only it were that- damn it Scratch stop voicing your suicidal tendencies right in front of your guest that is rude.

[Loyal]

Shh. Doc. This is very therapeutic for him, y'know?

[Pip Boy]

Now I feel like I should not have been skipping all the intermissions to get to the homestuck.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Yeah, it means you skipped something plot relevant and fun.

[Marc v4.0]

This is pretty much the best thing

[Revising Ocelot]

The intermission was great. So many time travel shenanigans.
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003151

[Menarker]

Hehe, the first time I saw Doc Scratch, I thought of him as a real egghead. Very fragile. :3

Guess I was totally wrong. ^,^

[IHateMakingNames]

I was expecting his head to shatter and we'd see Cal's face.

Even before Slick hit him. Once we learned that Scratch was part-Cal.

[Fifthfiend]

^
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[Geminex]

^
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[IHateMakingNames]

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http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2795/sokkagrin.gif

[Bard The 5th LW]

This explains the 'Tyrant with one arm and eye' thing mentioned a bit earlier. I think. Its a Jack, but not the expected Jack.

[Hyndrays]

I thought about something, If (Bec) Jack has the powers of a guardian, couldn't he just.... you know.... regenerate his lost arm? Or does he just feel he doesn't even need it?

Edit: Also, There's a revolver in the back of Doc's room.

[Flarecobra]

He's affected by the prototypings, if you recall, John's prototyping resulted in a missing arm for some Imps and the Queen/Jack.

[Kim]

New theory: Bilious Slick (And/Or Lord English) is Spades Slick after equipping the ring in the troll session.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Bilious Slick is the Genesis Frog. He was raised by Kanaya, and another will possibly be raised by Jade.

Spade's slick would have to become a tadpole of some sort to be Bilious Slick.

[Kim]

Oh right. Shutup.

Still. Lord English is Spades Slick equipped with the ring in the Troll's session.

[Marc v4.0]

He wouldn't fit in the coat properly

[Kim]

I argue that Spades Slick after being transformed by the ring in the troll session is the only thing that *would* fit the coat properly.

[IHateMakingNames]

Spades with the ring isn't any different then the Black King with the ring. He'll be out of the game, but there wasn't anything particularly special about the troll's ring.

[Specterbane]

I'm just going to leave it on out there that the 4th wall is the only thing we've seen that can fit into that coat properly (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005130).

Clearly it's the only option for what is LE. Clearly.

[rpgdemon]

So, the interlude is in Canon, then? I thought that someone else wrote it, or something?

I need to pay more attention to confusing details.

[IHateMakingNames]

The interlude has always been canon. The Midnight Crew were some of the Troll's exiles, though the Interlude was in the future after they rebuilt society.

Some one commissioned for him to write about the Midnight Crew back in Problem Sleuth.

[Loyal]

It's an "intermission" in name only. It's about as important to Homestuck as any other element of the story.

[rpgdemon]

The interlude has always been canon. The Midnight Crew were some of the Troll's exiles, though the Interlude was in the future after they rebuilt society.

Some one commissioned for him to write about the Midnight Crew back in Problem Sleuth.

So, wait, am I missing HS stuff, by not having read Problem Sleuth? It never really appealed to me.

[The Argent Lord]

Nothing except some references. The Midnight Crew never actually APPEARED in PS, they were in a series of non-canon-to-anything donation comics.

[Bard The 5th LW]

HS makes a lot of references and callbacks to PS, but they are in completely different Universes. In fact, the only time the Midnight Crew appeared in PS, it was said to be a non-canon series of events. They originated as characters in a side story that Hussie made when he still made donation funded comics. They became rather popular and appeared in Homestuck. In fact, Hussie briefly considered making a Midnight Crew Adventure instead of Homestuck.

But yeah, the intermissions (if you count Hivebent as an intermission) are completely relevant and canon.

[Flarecobra]

Doc Scratch: The perfect Gentleman, even when making threats.

[Loyal]

That didn't really sound like a threat. It sounded more like he was treating Jack like a child. "If you can't be responsible with your toys, then I will take them away. Now go find something else to entertain yourself, I have something important to attend to."

[Flarecobra]

Befitting of the passive gunslinger charged with initiating the break. I am my master's weapon. His soldier in a war of one bullet fired. But when that bullet clears the barrel, it won't be my finger on the trigger

And this?

[Loyal]

I'm ... not really seeing the threat here. Or at least not a threat of anything Scratch himself is going to do.

[Flarecobra]

That's the thing. To me at least, it seemed like he threatened that he would set into motion something things that can end badly for Slick.

[Specterbane]

No it seems more like the vaguely villainous things he says about bringing about Lord English than any threat to Jack. And after all Jack's a guest, it wouldn't be very hospitable or gentleman-like to threaten him directly no matter how veiled it was.

[IHateMakingNames]

I assumed he was talking about his plan to bring about Lord English.

[Loyal]

I think this is after the point where LE has been brought about; One of Slick's intended targets even before he lost his arm/eye was LE, and Scratch seems to be expressing his "I'd like to die now" tendencies.
I won't crack no matter how senseless the drubbing. If only it were that simple.