Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Dracorion]

Her secret weapon may be the whole mind control thing.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Thats pretty much what I'm expecting, although she clearly couldn't mind control Redglare directly, as Terezi is just one notch down on the Hemospectrum and was already said to be immune to some extent. I think. I suppose it might have just been a reference to the mobius double reacharound that already occurred.

[Locke cole]

I guess.

On another note, Mindfang's final entry seemed to imply that she had some sort of secret weapon on Redglare. If current events are meant to mirror that, then this likely spells doom for both of them.

Or it spells doom for Terezi. Vriska can't die unless it is a hero's death.

Or a just death.

But this isn't one, since Vriska is actually innocent of most of the killings Terezi suspects her of doing, and might kindasorta regret the one that she did do. Stuff is complicated, but I don't think the universe has her marked as evil at this point in time.

[Dracorion]

On the other hand, Terezi is justice.

Anyway, just because Redglare is immune to Mindfang's mind control doesn't mean His Tyranny, or just a bunch of random schmuck trolls, will be.

[mauve]

Blar, can't get the flash to load. Guess I'll try again later.

But based on what I do know, my guess for future events is that Mindfang and Redglare ended up joining forces to combat the Subjuggulator for some reason, forming the first Scourge Sisters. Maybe Gamzee's ancestor got in the way of Mindfang's trial, ruining Redglare's attempts to administer justice? I dunno. But Snowman's prediction of Current Team Scourge playing a major role in future events has me wondering.

[BitVyper]

On the other hand, Terezi is justice.

Anyway, just because Redglare is immune to Mindfang's mind control doesn't mean His Tyranny, or just a bunch of random schmuck trolls, will be.

High bloods seem to be particularly resistant to psychic shit. This was noted when they were talking about the vast glub, but it's been suggested by other events too.

Anyway, Vriska's safe from death for the moment (probably, anyway), as she still hasn't threatened past John, nor has she really had any reason too, so it's doubtful that she's done so offscreen. Whatever happens here might lead to that though.

[Art of Hilt]

also guybrush threepwood what are you doing in the middle of an alternian sea battle what the hell

[Flarecobra]

also guybrush threepwood what are you doing in the middle of an alternian sea battle what the hell


Cause he's fucking Guybrush Threepwood. He'll go whereever the fuck he wants. :P

[Locke cole]

Troll Guybrush Threepwood. Mighty Gamblignant™.

[Red Mage Black]

My goodness, I don't think I've ever seen Terezi and Vriska look so badass in one flash. The inclusion of the dragon was also a pretty awesome touch. I really don't have anything to say outside of whats already been said, but that's also a pretty awesome callback to Dave's ascend.

[Pip Boy]

I keep hoping one day we'll have one of those Street Fighter style 1v1 fighting games based on homestuck.

[Loyal]

I'm wondering when this happens exactly? More precisely, does this happen before the Eri/Vri/Gam showdown that ends with Gamzee going off a cliff, or after?

I'm asking because, if after, what happened with Kanaya?

[POS Industries]

I keep hoping one day we'll have one of those Street Fighter style 1v1 fighting games based on homestuck.
What, you mean this? (http://ink.pole-land.com/streetstrifer/)

Granted, it looked kinda shitty in development and I think it may have long since fizzled out, but you're clearly not the only one who had that idea.

The trailer they made for it was pretty boss, though. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyQSvC0IAA)

[Art of Hilt]

I'm wondering when this happens exactly? More precisely, does this happen before the Eri/Vri/Gam showdown that ends with Gamzee going off a cliff, or after?

I'm asking because, if after, what happened with Kanaya?

After.
Vriska doesn't have her glasses anymore, because Kanaya broke them when she decked her in the face.
It's possible Kanaya left on account of having more important things to do, like help people who aren't living gods and also jerks. Don't know why Vriska insists on sticking around, although some people are saying that the smirk Vriska has at the end of the flash means she was expecting Terezi somehow.

[Marc v4.0]

My Theory: Redglare was blind too, but hiding it, and Mindfang knows it. She brings it to the attention of the Subjuggs because it is weakness, they turn on Her (and therefore Justice in the process) and then She and Mindfang have to work together because it doesn't all go acording to Mindfang's plan of trading that info for her life.

Or they kill them both. Just maybe.

[Hyndrays]

I don't want either of them to kill each other. Kanaya pops in and Auspiticises (spelling?)....



and then Gamzee finally appears and kills all 3 of them. *sigh*

This. But i want Kanaya to die too.

[Bard The 5th LW]

This. But i want Kanaya to die too.
Why do you hate Kanaya so much? Pretty much everything she's done is totally justified.

[Viridis]

Why do you hate Kanaya so much? Pretty much everything she's done is totally justified.
Probably because of thisI know this bit of the conversation has been long past, but why the heck does everyone hate Eridan ;-;

He was the troll that acted most like me >_<
Plus he was hilarious, and it's not like he wanted to kill Fef and Kan >_< It just kinda.... happened. Mostly Sollux's fault. :P

BLUH >_<Hmm :I

Either way.
I want Kanaya to die a terrible death at this point..

[Hyndrays]

Pretty much :I I'd rather not revive the argument.
Eridan is still my favored troll. Arguing won't change that.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Pretty much :I I'd rather not revive the argument.
Eridan is still my favored troll. Arguing won't change that.

Then maybe you should stop mentioning it.
I mean, talking about what's happening is fine and dandy but when you know lots of people around here like Kanaya and you know you can't really give anybody a good reason why she shouldn't have killed Eridian all you're going to do by interjecting that you think she needs to die is sparking that conversation up again.

[Hyndrays]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion no?

[Arcanum]

Yeah but when voicing your opinion will bring up the "Eridan is an ass, Kanaya is great" conversation/argument every time without fail then it's better to leave that opinion unvoiced if you are trying to avoid bringing up that argument.

[Kerensky287]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and that includes everyone who isn't you.

So if you don't want to risk an argument, don't bring up your opinion.

[Fifthfiend]

HOW I FREESPEACH?!

[Art of Hilt]

Upda-

D:

[MuMu]

...Surely unexpected...

So, what happens now? Does Vriska manipul8s Karkat into fighting Terezi? Or something completely anticlimactic and most likely Kan-related?

[rpgdemon]

I was watching the flash again: It looks like the green sun explodes (Or a green mass explodes) during the stair-climbing.

[Bard The 5th LW]

In [S] Seer: Ascend, was the green moon blocked by Pyralspite as Mindfang's journal would indicate, or did it disappear/teleport away the way it looks in the flash?

It was blocked, per the journal description. Just a bit of abstraction in the depiction.

It was just an artistic thing, no moon/sun actually blew up. And it wasn't the http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/greenmotherfuckingsun.gif, it was Alternias Green Moon that Doc Scratch lives on. Probably an intentional parallel though.

[Revising Ocelot]

Gotta be Karkancestor with that mutant-candy red.

Which'll lead nicely into a cut to Karkat now. Gotta keep those plot threads hanging!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Gotta be Karkancestor with that mutant-candy red.

Which'll lead nicely into a cut to Karkat now. Gotta keep those plot threads hanging!

I thought it was Karkancestor's Lusus.

Alternately it's this thing; http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003737

[Revising Ocelot]

Nah, it'd be white and a lusus wouldn't be in charge of the court. Also, it's got troll horns and CrabDad (and other lusii(?), but not all) lack horns. Granted they're six MASSIVE SPIKES OF DOOM rather than two silly nubs.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Might have a connection to Karkat maybe, but I'm not totally convinced. Just doesn't seem like any other troll at all (doesn't really prove much though, but I'm not seeing the Cancer symbol anywhere on the outfit.

Granted, those horns look a lot of like crab claws. I'm inclined to believe that it Karkancestor's lusus. If it isn't... well Karkat is in for a surprise when (if) he grows up.

[Art of Hilt]

http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?38658-Sis-Roof-Now&p=5013123&viewfull=1#post5013123


Let's mark it down in the hall of fame.

John's dad is Problem Sleuth.

WV is an imp.

Karkat's ancestor is an enormous lobster judge.

Terezi always draws His Honorable Tyranny with red chalk. He probably has a massive lobster-red carapace.

[Hyndrays]

Anybody know if theres a place that sells Homestuck item replicas and stuff? My friends birthday is coming up and he really likes Terezi so i wanted to get him Redglare's Legislacerator Staff.

I would prefer to get him something better than the T-Shirt for Libra, but i will do that if i can't find anything :[

[Bard The 5th LW]

Anything Hussie says should only be taken so seriously though. He said it right alongside "WV is an Imp" and "Dad is Problem Sleuth" so he could be very well stating that is not the case.

Maybe he is though. Hussie is a weird guy. It may help explain Karkat's odd place on the Hemospectrum.

[Flarecobra]

That's gotta be some kind of Master Drone or something. The Imperial Drones have 6 horns...

[Art of Hilt]

Anything Hussie says should only be taken so seriously though. He said it right alongside "WV is an Imp" and "Dad is Problem Sleuth" so he could be very well stating that is not the case.

I would argue that by grouping them with those two, that is precisely what he is saying. Without ambiguity: His Honorable Tyranny is not Karkat's ancestor. It probably just has a red lobster outer shell, not red blood.

[Aldurin]

That's gotta be some kind of Master Drone or something. The Imperial Drones have 6 horns...

We need to have something like this in the ancestors' part of the forum RP.

[POS Industries]

Well, in troll society, it could be quite believable that His Honorable Tyranny would be judge, jury, and threshecutioner.

[Arcanum]

And it is on record that Karkat files his horns down to nubs, so we don't really know what his "true" horns look like. I could easily believe that Karkat's ancestor is His Honorable Tyranny.

[rpgdemon]

And it is on record that Karkat files his horns down to nubs, so we don't really know what his "true" horns look like. I could easily believe that Karkat's ancestor is His Honorable Tyranny.

Where's it say that?

[Arcanum]

Ok I swear I saw something along those lines in a Karkat-Terezi conversation, but I can't find it anywhere right now. It may just be me having misread something or going crazy.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Ok I swear I saw something along those lines in a Karkat-Terezi conversation, but I can't find it anywhere right now. It may just be me having misread something or going crazy.

I definitely remember reading it somewhere too.

[rpgdemon]

Do you mean this?

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529

I think it was making fun of him.

[Revising Ocelot]

Do you mean this?

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=0045291

I think it was making fun of him.

That... just gives me a blank page?

And given the nature of Hussie, that post could be facetious in all kinds of wonky ways (3 months down the line from now, WV: Ascend from Impdom), but I'll lean on the side of 'Not Karkancestor'. On that note, wonder when we'll see some lowblood Ancestors, it's only been Teal+ for now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I don't think I've ever seen anything about Karkat filing his horns down. Think they're just like that.

The reason we haven't seen any lowblood ancestors is that, according to Vriska, most Lowbloods think the ancestor thing is just a sort of fairy tale and just don't care enough to emulate those before them.

[rpgdemon]

That... just gives me a blank page?

And given the nature of Hussie, that post could be facetious in all kinds of wonky ways (3 months down the line from now, WV: Ascend from Impdom), but I'll lean on the side of 'Not Karkancestor'. On that note, wonder when we'll see some lowblood Ancestors, it's only been Teal+ for now.

Huh, weird. Same here. It WAS a page, when I copy/pasted it.

[Arcanum]

Get rid of the 1 at the end and it leads to the memo where Karkat starts typing on Terezi's keyboard. And that may have been what I misread.

[rpgdemon]

Get rid of the 1 at the end

You saw nothing.

[katiuska]

Anybody know if theres a place that sells Homestuck item replicas and stuff? My friends birthday is coming up and he really likes Terezi so i wanted to get him Redglare's Legislacerator Staff.

I would prefer to get him something better than the T-Shirt for Libra, but i will do that if i can't find anything :[

Not specifically, but I've seen individual items pop up here and there. Like, someone made and sold a single pair of Terezi glasses at one point. This lady (http://www.metroidhat.com/gallery/commission.html) makes plushies, but she's pretty booked, so the turnaround is currently on the order of several months. You might want to get the shirt or something now and save the cooler thing for Christmas or the like.

[Hyndrays]

Not specifically, but I've seen individual items pop up here and there. Like, someone made and sold a single pair of Terezi glasses at one point. This lady (http://www.metroidhat.com/gallery/commission.html) makes plushies, but she's pretty booked, so the turnaround is currently on the order of several months. You might want to get the shirt or something now and save the cooler thing for Christmas or the like.

Thanks. I guess i need to place an order then. :D

[Loyal]

Welp, guess we can now be certian that Tyranny isn't Karkatcestor, judging by the color of Redglare's cane.

Man, lookit that guy, he is ripped.

And is it just me or does that look like the arm of a Prospitian?

[POS Industries]

A shame that Equius was unable to muster the will to follow in his ancestor's footsteps.

Though I guess this does suggest that the trolls aren't locked into repeating history.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

A shame that Equius was unable to muster the will to follow in his ancestor's footsteps.

Though I guess this does suggest that the trolls aren't locked into repeating history.

Judging from the line "I wonder if he still 8elieves she was worth it?", I'd be tempted to say that the difference might have been it was Nepeta's ancestor, and rather than the situation the troll kids had, he saved her from a SUBJUGGLATOR.

Maybe if he'd been made more aware of what would happen immediately after his death, Equius would have acted differently?

[Kerensky287]

A shame that Equius was unable to muster the will to follow in his ancestor's footsteps.

Though I guess this does suggest that the trolls aren't locked into repeating history.

The whole "repeating history" thing doesn't seem quite that set-in-stone.

The ancestor concept came into play in the first place because Hussie wanted to foreshadow Eridan's death and Gamzee's madness... kind of. But remember that it ALREADY didn't turn out the way it did in history. Dualscar was killed by a subjugglator. There was no three-way standoff, and as far as we know, no rainbow drinkers were involved.

The fact that the blindness/arm removal mirror happened AFTERWARD is just more evidence toward the idea that it's supposed to be nothing more than a curious similarity. Hussie likes to throw in hints to events that'll happen later; maybe the Tyranny fight is supposed to foreshadow a different future conflict?

I want to say it's Jack but Vriska doesn't stand a chance against that guy without outside help, and her ancestor took on the Tyranny single-handedly.

Well, as far as we know.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hussie made the ancestors into unreliable narrators, especially Mindfang.

[Specterbane]

I think it's also something to note that Hussie already talked about how Trolls have a tendency to exaggerate things to a more grandiose level. So Mindfang may be embellishing things more than a bit for her "unreliable" narration. It certainly seems like it would fit her personality.

[Solid Snake]

I almost wonder if this is setting up for Terezi killing Vriska, with the moral of the story being "Vriska's biggest weakness was her reliance on the notion that she was repeating her ancestor's story verbatim."

And then the hints like "Equius' ancestor actually being alive in Mindfang's story" would suggest at an ever-increasing rate that Mindfang and Vriska's stories were heading in opposite directions.

Also, if you view the individuals Mindfang "mind-controlled" as a stand-in for Tavros, Vriska's biggest mistake could have been killing the person who she could have otherwise mind-controlled into dealing with Terezi for her.

NOTE: I am certainly not the first person to think of this possibility but I am too busy this week to read backlogs.

[Marc v4.0]

I have a hard time believing something as light as a hanging could kill a troll.

[rpgdemon]

I have a hard time believing something as light as a hanging could kill a troll.

Well, it's not the light that kills them in hanging, it's the weight.

[BitVyper]

God Tier stuff on sale now. (http://www.whatpumpkin.com/store/shirts.html)

[Locke cole]

Oh man, I could so use John's/Tavros's. Maybe I'll try to get it as a birthday present.

Also, I made a thing, and plan to make more things in the same vein later:

http://ib.skaia.net/image/2749.jpg

[POS Industries]

God Tier stuff on sale now. (http://www.whatpumpkin.com/store/shirts.html)
No Hero of Time hoodie? Balls...

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vriska really can't die unless its a "Just Death" or a "Hero's death" so she is likely not going to die from this. Terezi did peg her for Tavros correctly, but the other deaths were all misblamed and based off false evidence. In addition, it would allow the real killer, Gamzee to get off free.

All depends on Sburb's definition of Justice though.

[Marc v4.0]

Well, it's not the light that kills them in hanging, it's the weight.

hurrhurrhurr

[Bard The 5th LW]

http://doulifee.com//Storage/aceatt/GyakutenHeroes/h-objection.gif

If a hanging couldn't kill a troll, then why would Redglare have gallows strewn about? Why would Mindfang just hang her as well? Wouldn't she just follow through with a stab or something? Terezi's roleplay scenario upon her introduction also implies that hanging is a viable, probably normal, execution on Alternia.

The evidence goes to show that a hanging would indeed kill a troll.

However, would it work if the gallows were calibrated to another's weight? That is what leaves the possibility of survival.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

http://doulifee.com//Storage/aceatt/GyakutenHeroes/h-objection.gif

If a hanging couldn't kill a troll, then why would Redglare have gallows strewn about? Why would Mindfang just hang her as well? Wouldn't she just follow through with a stab or something? Terezi's roleplay scenario upon her introduction also implies that hanging is a viable, probably normal, execution on Alternia.

The evidence goes to show that a hanging would indeed kill a troll.

However, would it work if the gallows were calibrated to another's weight? That is what leaves the possibility of survival.

Neither Vriska nor any of the peasants in that crowd has any idea of how a hanging is meant to work.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Regardless, Redglare set up the gallows. Either there was going to be a nice stabbing afterwords, or it would work on a typical troll.

[katiuska]

The strange thing for me is why Redglare would be made into legend--she was good at her job, I get that, but apparently it never got far and it ended rather disgracefully. I'd like it to mean that her career's not quite over yet, but it probably just means it must've been epic while it lasted.

No Hero of Time hoodie? Balls...

Yeah, I had the same reaction. Apparently it's coming eventually, just not right now.

Oh man, I could so use John's/Tavros's. Maybe I'll try to get it as a birthday present.

Also, I made a thing, and plan to make more things in the same vein later:

http://ib.skaia.net/image/2749.jpg

Nice... interesting choice. I kind of want to do my own set, but I haven't gotten past the two most obvious ones (Fool is John and Justice is Terezi).

[Aldurin]

This is definite proof of inconsistencies between the trolls and their ancestors.

I mean seriously, Tavros? Look at what happened at history's attempt to repeat.

Also the scratch in the disc is likely causing subtle changes, that will become more obvious later on.

[BitVyper]

Looks like Karkancestor was probably troll Che Guevera all along. Or pick your favourite revolutionary anyway. Guessing his blood caste was largely erradicated as a result. Then again, that might just be where Karkat took his symbol from. The matter remains mysterious.

At any rate, it seems like lifespan is related to blood caste as well.

[Aldurin]

Actually this may be Hussie trying to fool us and Tavros will somehow come back to life (in God Tier no less) and finally stab Vriska, thus making the ancestor thing more accurate than we would currently think.

[Marc v4.0]

Surely one at least on the scale of the sectarian revolt crushed 8y the High8loods, who thereafter for8ade its mention, or any invoc8tion of the heretical sym69ls at all, even in private journals.

Ohhoho!

And ninja'd anyway

[BitVyper]

I don't think Hussie really tries to fool people. Not actively, anyway. While there are red herrings here and there for the purpose of enhancing various mysteries, he almost never seems to be trying to draw you toward false conclusions. Once you're acquainted with his particular storytelling method, you just have to be careful not to jump right on things, and be aware that he plays word games. The closest he does to trying to fool anybody is playing with and fueling speculation that already exists (Jack = Lord English has existed since all the way back in the Midnight Crew intermission, for instance). Even then though, I can't recall any instances where there such matters weren't at least addressed in comic. He is a pretty honest storyteller.

Tavros is certainly someone who would have just cause to stab him some Vriska. I don't think this is really intended to make that seem likely, however.

Speaking of red herrings; in spite of the fact that we've been given a likely candidate for Karkancestor, the association with His Honourable Tyranny is still pretty undeniable. I suspect there is SOME relation there, although it doesn't necessarily have to be genetic in n8ture.

[Locke cole]

Nice... interesting choice. I kind of want to do my own set, but I haven't gotten past the two most obvious ones (Fool is John and Justice is Terezi).

I'm actually not quite sure about John as The Fool. Not sure how to reconcile him with the card's meaning (unexpected opportunity, major change. A sort of "anything-can-happen" card)

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I think this might be a bit more evidence that what might have been a recurrence was utterly fucked by Vriska trying to force it to happen.

Poor fuckin' Tavros, man.

[BitVyper]

Anyone else noticing weird artifacts popping up in the images? I'm wondering if these are messed up animated gifs, or if the weirdness is intentional.

[Locke cole]

So many things got screwed up by Vriska trying to be Mindfang.

She pursued a rivalry with Eridan that went nowhere and just made him long for more. (possibly leading to his rivalry obsession and murderous outbreak later on? I dunno)

She tried to use Equius much the way that Mindfang used his mechanist ancestor, but that was wasted on such a... fundamentalist Troll.

She imagined that she could have as great a rival in Terezi as Mindfang had in Redglare, but that all ended in tragedy.

She tried to groom Tavros into the second coming of the Summoner, but all she did was break him.

Mindfang was right to warn readers about the journal. About how it could bind people as badly as viewing the cueball had bound her. Though, in hindsight, she probably should've put that on page 1, as an addendum.

[BitVyper]

Mindfang calls Mr. 69 The Sufferer... doesn't look good for Karkat if this IS his ancestor.

[Locke cole]

Similar, but not exact. Remember the mechanist and the Summoner. Quite different from their descendants.

[BitVyper]

Equius was an adept mechanist. Tavros was definitely quite a summoner. I imagine that The Sufferer's descendant, if he has one, would have some suffering to look forward to.

Edit: Of course, that could mean a whooole lotta things.

[Locke cole]

The names aren't especially important (less so when they are ones I made up, as is the case with the Saggitancestor). More their traits. Equius is a mechanist, yes, but unlike his ancestor, he won't even think of disobeying the social order. Tavros can cOMMNE, but he's nowhere near the brave man or leader that the Summoner was.

Perhaps Karkat is destined to suffer horribly. Perhaps he already has. Perhaps that isn't the case, and he's inherited something else as his legacy. Or maybe they've got nothing at all in common.

[Aldurin]

Anyone else noticing weird artifacts popping up in the images? I'm wondering if these are messed up animated gifs, or if the weirdness is intentional.

Refer to Seer: Ascend. It's indicated that this is tied to Terezi being irresponsible with data storage hardware.

[Revising Ocelot]

So much information, and all I can think of is how on Alternia Tavrufiocestor puts on a shirt.

[Loyal]

There's more to suffering than what the sufferer personally experiences. Karkat dealing with his mutant blood all his life, watching his teams break down in spite of his best efforts, losing his friends...

[Fifthfiend]

So wait was it ancient irrelevant fanfic Karkat who kills ancient irrelevant fanfic Spiderbitch, or ancient irrelevant fanfic Tavros who does it, I'm hitting my upper limit for parsing massive piles of boring, d8l8b8r8t888 m8s88ll8d words.

edit wait okay so notkarkat leads rebellion a then nottavros leads rebellion b and kills notvriska, gotcha

[BitVyper]

Given that highbloods generally refers specifically to Gamzee's caste (them being "higher" than everybody else), and that Mindfang says The Sufferer's rebellion was crushed by the highbloods, it seems fairly likely that The Jugglator (that is, the one related to Gamzee) at least had a personal hand in his demise. Now that we know higher blood castes live a long time, it's entirely possible that could have happened even though it happened long ago relative to Mindfang's final entry.

[Kerensky287]

Given that highbloods generally refers specifically to Gamzee's caste (them being "higher" than everybody else), and that Mindfang says The Sufferer's rebellion was crushed by the highbloods, it seems fairly likely that The Jugglator (that is, the one related to Gamzee) at least had a personal hand in his demise. Now that we know higher blood castes live a long time, it's entirely possible that could have happened even though it happened long ago relative to Mindfang's final entry.

I find highbloods generally seem to refer directly to purples. There's an explicit mention of someone named the Condesce (if I remember correctly), who is implied to be Fef's ancestor, crushing the rebellion or something (I don't feel like sorting through that purple prose again and the day's been kind of hazy) so I don't think it's Gamzee's ancestor who did it.

[Marc v4.0]

I find highbloods generally seem to refer directly to purples. There's an explicit mention of someone named the Condesce (if I remember correctly), who is implied to be Fef's ancestor, crushing the rebellion or something (I don't feel like sorting through that purple prose again and the day's been kind of hazy) so I don't think it's Gamzee's ancestor who did it.

Yeah, Fef's ancestor, even had the great underwater horror-terror

[Locke cole]

So, this choice for tarot card has become even more appropriate, with recent revelations about Mindfang's journal.

http://ib.skaia.net/image/2765.png
Manipulation. Addiction. Sekrecy. Self-Enslavement/Binding.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Formspring says that Andrew's working on a Flash project. So it'll be some time.

[rpgdemon]

I was wondering! It is now the future, and I have not found and hidden updates!

[Fifthfiend]

While you depraved freaks wait for that, this seems like the sort of sickening filth you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3g-g2itv0s) would enjoy.

[Flarecobra]

Hussie, what the flying fuck was THAT!?

[Aldurin]

Don't scratch discs man. That's just not cool.

Also that is the MOST EPIC COINFLIP EVER!

[Bard The 5th LW]

FUCCCCCKKKKKK

20 boonbucks says it lands on its edge

[Grimpond]

[S] Flip.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk282/lordofchaos34/WAT.png

[Fifthfiend]

It'd be nice if shit'd just happen in the flashes instead of happening in a separate comic one to three updates later.

[Dracorion]

Goddammit Terezi fuck you for scratching the disk.

[Krylo]

It'd be nice if shit'd just happen in the flashes instead of happening in a separate comic one to three updates later.

+1

[Loyal]

Really, one might expect the delay before a flash to be a good prelude to resolving plot points instead of setting them up still further.

I rather hope he uploads a not-fucked-up version at some point in the future. Be more interesting that way.

[rpgdemon]

It looks like the coin is pretty clearly on tails scratch.

[The SSB Intern]

She's just gonna stab Vriska in the eye, calling it now.

[Arcanum]

Surely you jest Vriska. The Prosecution sees no coin. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003946) She's blind, remember? (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003947)

[Geminex]

We interrupt this exodus to bring you the following message.

Hell. The fuck. Yes.

That will be all. >: ]

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Would be funny if the coin just got glitched out of existence wouldn't it?

I love this flash page for various reasons.

[Revising Ocelot]

New, higher quality SBAHJ (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=031.jpg).



...


:\


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7783/eridanface.jpg

[Specterbane]

I'm just really hoping that's not supposed to be a jury of their peers.

[POS Industries]

That flash was fucking terrible.

[Pip Boy]

I was hoping to see some fighting. Maybe a few people murdering each other. Or maybe some light being shed on whats happening with John and Rose now that Jack is murdering things again.

[Wizardcat]

I'm guessing the coin lands on Heads; it would be fortunate for Vriska to not have to face Jack, WOULD 1T NOT? >:]

[rpgdemon]

I'm guessing the coin lands on Heads; it would be fortunate for Vriska to not have to face Jack, WOULD 1T NOT? >:]

That was my first thought. But then I was thinking, does she control luck to be lucky, or to get things to happen what as she wants?


Edit: So, why were the corpses all in those jars?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Because Gamzee put 'em there and cut off their heads.

[MuMu]

I'm going with the coin not landing at all, with either Terezi or Gamzee grabbing it midair. Or maybe she slashes the other side before it falls.

[Kerensky287]

I'm kind of wondering how Gamzee found Eridan's body, considering that he had just been kicked into a pit.

Like, what, did Vriska just go "Hey Gamz" and let him take the corpse next time he showed up?

[Pip Boy]

My favorite part was the motherfuckin Jury.
http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/JasperDx17/Jury1.png

[Arcanum]

'm kind of wondering how Gamzee found Eridan's body, considering that he had just been kicked into a pit.

Like, what, did Vriska just go "Hey Gamz" and let him take the corpse next time he showed up?

They might have just dumped his body over the side of the platform. Or even just left it there and went somewhere else. It's not like Vriska would drag Eridan's corpse with her everywhere she went.

[Kerensky287]

They might have just dumped his body over the side of the platform. Or even just left it there and went somewhere else. It's not like Vriska would drag Eridan's corpse with her everywhere she went.

She hasn't moved, though. That's the same platform she was on earlier, as far as I can tell.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Time has passed, clearly enough for Kanaya to leave. Maybe Gamzee flash stepped in and took it while she and Kanaya were elsewhere, and she later returned?

Or she might've just thrown Eridan off the ledge after Gamzee. Can't have him stink up the place.

[MuMu]

Pulling a Xenogears, I see.

[rpgdemon]

Update:

Doc Scratch is one classy guy.

[Fifthfiend]

[fartz]

[Solid Snake]

Pulling a Xenogears, I see.

It's frightening that you and I had the exact same immediate reaction re: this update.
I'm almost willing to forgive it in this case though because damn, this act has gone on long enough.

[Flarecobra]

No Magenta text there Solid?

Anyway, I rather like the "Green" motif. Quite soothing, but at the top of the page, see what appears to be a broken half-q-ball? Any guesses as to the significance of it?

[rpgdemon]

That's the bowl of Scottie Dogs!

[Flarecobra]

I thought it was half a head...

Derp.

[Arcanum]

So who do you all think the two remaining guests are? Snowman? Lord English? Hussie?? The stump from the Land of Stumps and Dismay??!!!??

[A Zarkin' Frood]

but at the top of the page, see what appears to be a broken half-q-ball? Any guesses as to the significance of it?

You mean the bowl of candy?

[Art of Hilt]

If you don't mind waiting here while I complete my repairs, I will tell the rest of the story. I will show you as well, as I recover data from the disc. But the visuals I supply will be nothing more than abbreviated snapshots, and my telling will be abridged.

...
Isn't this basically the regular story telling style, just without any flashes?
I'm betting everything is going to be the same, only with white text and a green backdrop for the next month or two.

[IHateMakingNames]

So who do you all think the two remaining guests are? Snowman? Lord English? Hussie?? The stump from the Land of Stumps and Dismay??!!!??
There is only one remaining guest. The reader's entrance happens before Spades Slick visits Doc Scratch. He tells us not to touch the bowl of candy since it is for another guest, and when Spades shows up he gets a bowl of candy.

[Dracorion]

English or Snowman. I'm thinking Snowman.

[Revising Ocelot]

At least if there's a recap, we won't have to highlight it this time.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Jade will do the recap.

[Specterbane]

Jadesprite will do the recap between sobs.

[Loyal]

Green-on-green would be less obnoxious than white-on-white though, if no less difficult to read.

[Art of Hilt]

The recap will be narrated by Feferi (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=004891), actually.

[rpgdemon]

The recap will be narrated by Feferi (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=004891), actually.

Not as bad as Aradia is.

[Art of Hilt]

Update.

...
Isn't this basically the regular story telling style, just without any flashes?
I'm betting everything is going to be the same, only with white text and a green backdrop for the next month or two.

So far this is looking to be the case.
Man I hope so Doc Scratch is a pretty cool narrator. I like how he's filling in blanks that would normally be left to speculation.

[Flarecobra]

Jade's is actually remarkably easy to read..

And the only way to really nullify Vriska... is to cheat.

[Loyal]

One wonders exactly what use Doc Scratch would have for money in the first place.

[Aldurin]

Hookers.

[akaSM]

One wonders exactly what use Doc Scratch would have for money in the first place.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/547/scroogemcduck.jpg

[mauve]

So. I'm teaching myself how to knit. Turns out, "English" is the name of a knitting technique where you use your right hand to feed yarn onto the needle.

So my random, no-other-actual-evidence guess is that Lord English will either be Rose's right-hand man--er--salamander, clad in his/her lovely knitted cult-hood, or the mutant knitted bunny, Liv Tyler.



.....I have no idea how either of them will fit into the hideous technicolor dream coat, but whatever.

[Art of Hilt]

.....I have no idea how either of them will fit into the hideous technicolor dream coat, but whatever.

Liv Tyler has an eye that can shrink things.

[Solid Snake]

Bah, what a cop-out.

[Flarecobra]

Why do I suspect Rose will show up?

[Art of Hilt]

Okay, so, on the one hand, Terezi choosing to be more human and not a killer troll is nice to see. I mean. It's character development.
On the other hand WHAT ABOUT THE WHOLE THING WITH NOIR SNIFFING VRISKA'S PIXIE DUST BACK TO THE BASE OH NOOOOOOO

[Fifthfiend]

Bah, what a cop-out.

+1

ALSO

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffartz

[Aldurin]

Terezi should have shown Vriska her stabs.

[Flarecobra]

And The Battlefield just got itself torn a new one.

[Specterbane]

Yeah, they need to be more careful. That's it's final form, it's not getting anymore free heals. Albeit, one of those was surgery, that one probably wasn't it.

[BitVyper]

EVERY DAY I'M HUSSIE-IN (http://tindeck.com/listen/nywd)

[Aldurin]

It is called the battlefield, so leaving it all pristine and shit wouldn't make sense.

[Loyal]

Yeah, there was already a huge war goin' on and shit before Jack went and did his thing. The kids are just making up for lost time.

[Art of Hilt]

Update.

Oh fucking christ.

It looks like Dad and Mom's bodies are completely vaporized.
):<

[Revising Ocelot]

John.

Hey John.

You've had a long enough naptime on the floor, wake up and pull a DerpFace to counter Jack's FangFace... if that's even possible, I doubt ScratchTV does Flash updates.

[Loyal]

This is less angry and dangerous?

[Aldurin]

The future super-Jack is even more pissed off for being trapped in time for forever(?) and not getting to kill the jerk that did it to him.

[Loyal]

I was working under the impression that Jack was perpetually laboring under some sort of anger singularity or something.

[MuMu]

it keeps happening!

[Revising Ocelot]

I'm stupid. What's the [8^y] meant to represent?

[BitVyper]

I'm stupid. What's the [8^y] meant to represent?

Bro's face. 8 = eyes, ^ = nose, y = mouth.

[Flarecobra]

I figured it was something to do with SBaHJ.

[Revising Ocelot]

Bro's face. 8 = eyes, ^ = nose, y = mouth.

Oh dear, I see it all too clearly now.

Scratch is such a troll. I don't even recall him telling Rose not to stare into the ball, but he did tell her to ask the ball. :/

(Rose's font colour also looks weird in scratch.php.)

[McTahr]

Definitely looks like HJ. Or SB. Whichever one wears the blue shirt. Can't be bothered to care too much about them.

Is anyone else sad about the seeming lack of an album this month? I have needs, damnit.

[Revising Ocelot]

Definitely looks like HJ. Or SB. Whichever one wears the blue shirt. Can't be bothered to care too much about them.

Is anyone else sad about the seeming lack of an album this month? I have needs, damnit.

AH said somewhere there would be one. Can't remember where though.

EDIT: Oh, right in the top news post on the front page. I'm blind.

[Kim]

I normally dig SBaHJ references, but this one feels out of places for Doc Scratch.

[POS Industries]

I normally dig SBaHJ references, but this one feels out of places for Doc Scratch.
HA HA

HEE HEE

HOO HOO

[Marc v4.0]

HA HA

HEE HEE

HOO HOO

Pretty much

[synkr0nized]

Wake me up when we get moving again.


Everything seems so slow lately.

[Specterbane]

Computer troubles with software according to the twitter.

[Revising Ocelot]

Software troubles? Better replace the PC!

</beargrylls>

[Flarecobra]

The new update:

Waitwhat?

[Loyal]

Doc is telling us exactly what we've known for months and trying to nonetheless present it as a new and exciting revelation.

Pity about Rose though.

[Aldurin]

I'm starting to dislike how Hussie is using Doc's style as an excuse to throw aside the original plans for a flash battle. Admittedly he mentioned in his formspring that it was too ambiguous to do, but it's still not something where you give some battle animations and have a third party character narrate while you squint at his TV/head in the background.

[POS Industries]

I'm starting to dislike how Hussie is using Doc's style as an excuse to throw aside the original plans for a flash battle. Admittedly he mentioned in his formspring that it was too ambiguous to do, but it's still not something where you give some battle animations and have a third party character narrate while you squint at his TV/head in the background.
Personally, I find the excuse that we'd be waiting for an extended period with no updates while he worked on the flash to be a bit silly considering how we've been waiting for an extended period of time with little to no updates while this blase summary has been taking place.

Also I'm incredibly annoyed that we got a shitty flash for a dialogue exchange between Terezi and Vriska but something pretty monumentally important like Rose fighting Jack is just glossed over like this.

[Specterbane]

It seems like it's the nature of the way the problems are cropping up. If he did do the flash animation and stopped updates and plot progression he'd get bored with it I think.

Years ago when I tried doing a sprite comic the final nail in the coffin was that I wanted to do something bigger than I could manage in the time frame. I built up to it, but never had the drive to actually finish the work and it just died away (not that it was very popular at all, or even really missed as this would be). Besides, it'll be nice to finally get on with the plot for a change.

[POS Industries]

Besides, it'll be nice to finally get on with the plot for a change.
We're getting on with the plot by skipping the plot?

[Loyal]

We are getting on with the plot by introducing as many new plot elements as humanly possible while simultaneously resolving as few as humanly possible. Eventually all the accumulated plot threads will gather together under their own gravity and form a black hole that consumes space-time.

[POS Industries]

So on the bright side all of existence will be nullified by this horseshit and I won't have to care anymore after that.

[Specterbane]

We're getting on with the plot by skipping the plot?

Sure, in so far as the mexican-stand-offs and flashy fights are plot. It's like DBZ if you cut out all multi season fights that take eight episodes to finish screaming up their power level before they start fighting. I'm not saying it wouldn't be great to see them, but it's like were only getting the cliff notes of the story. Sure it's not as good as the full thing, but it's better than it dieing off like Bard's Tale or Prison Break.

If there's anything to lament loosing I'd say it's the chat logs we won't get to see.

[Kim]

Sure it's not as good as the full thing, but it's better than it dieing off like Bard's Tale or Prison Break.

That's not how this stuff works. When something becomes crappy, "Well, it's better being crappy than over," is not an argument in its defense. It's a weak excuse at best, and treating it as anything more than that is ridiculous, especially when this is a thing Hussie is making some form of money off of. If he's gonna make money off of it, one would hope he'd not just become a lazy asshole partway through. I think I'd be a tad more forgiving if I didn't already know that whenever someone tries to complain about this he's going to call them idiots for disagreeing with him or not thinking MSPA is all great all the time, and then he'll probably compare himself to a famous historical artist a few times.

[POS Industries]

Sure, in so far as the mexican-stand-offs and flashy fights are plot. It's like DBZ if you cut out all multi season fights that take eight episodes to finish screaming up their power level before they start fighting.
Except that what we have here is the eight episodes of screaming followed by skipping the very thing all that screaming was building up to. It's completely ass-backwards and unsatisfying, and yes this is exactly the Cliff's Notes version of the plot because we're simply getting told what happened instead of shown, which is in direct violation of rule #1 of good storytelling. This isn't even some clever Douglas Adamsian "for comedic purposes I'm going to tell you the end result to spoil the drama and then show you the scene anyway" bits. It's just an end result of wasting weeks on this "scratched disc" crap that ended up not only not going anywhere, but serving as a means to an end of skipping the very thing that the story had been building toward for a long time now.

It's bad writing.

[lazy man]

...ok, it just hit me. All this talk of summarizing stuff on disc 2 is reminding me of Xenogears.

Disc 1: Awesome. Disc 2: SUMMARY!

Somehow that just makes too much goddamn sense. Least to me, anyway.

[Loyal]

unsatisfying,

This is the key word, paramount to all others. No matter where the story's going, good or bad, it has been unsatisfying. He gives tons of buildup to a plot point, and then resolves it in an unceremonious puff before moving on to the next. It's becoming increasingly difficult to care about the story because it appears, more and more, as though the author doesn't care either.

I think I'd be a tad more forgiving if I didn't already know that whenever someone tries to complain about this he's going to call them idiots for disagreeing with him or not thinking MSPA is all great all the time, and then he'll probably compare himself to a famous historical artist a few times.Between him and the MSPA forum hivemind (To which Hussie's ego has no doubt contributed), yes. It's a tad frustrating.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm enjoying how it's taking more updates to tell us all this than it would to just show it to us.

[Specterbane]

For Non, and POS. Rather than reference the two quotes to make a huge chunk of text I'm not referencing. I see your points, and they're well made. I guess ultimately though I don't care that he's doing it this way. It's interesting to see in the forum spring he's almost admitted to taking on something that's more than he can handle and has to deal with it this way.

But yeah, NonCon's got the best point that he's being paid so I can see why this is unacceptable. But I'm still enjoying it over all, and it's not like I'M paying for it out of my wallet.

Overall, it's a shame this is how he's handling it, and I can see people being justifiably bent out of shape over it. But I guess I'm just willing to let it slide. *shrug*

[Fifthfiend]

We are getting on with the plot by introducing as many new plot elements as humanly possible while simultaneously resolving as few as humanly possible.

Let me tell you about oceans

let me tell you how they are moving

(hint: they are not)

It's just an end result of wasting weeks on this "scratched disc" crap that ended up not only not going anywhere, but serving as a means to an end of skipping the very thing that the story had been building toward for a long time now.

In fairness, the Vriska/Terezi thing would have been awful regardless of how it was shown to us.

[Fifthfiend]

Between him and the MSPA forum hivemind (To which Hussie's ego has no doubt contributed), yes. It's a tad frustrating.

Of the many things I'm proud of from my tenure as a moderator, my staunch record of defending the right of people to say that Brian Clevinger's comics were terrible is a standout.

[Archbio]

We are getting on with the plot by introducing as many new plot elements as humanly possible while simultaneously resolving as few as humanly possible. Eventually all the accumulated plot threads will gather together under their own gravity and form a black hole that consumes space-time.

Lost. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCJsOGtZVr8)

[Red Mage Black]

While I do agree with all of this, my general opinion is that he should have left the Terezi/Vriska thing to gifs and single frames, saving a flash animation for the Jack and Rose fight. It would have been a whole lot better and more satisfying. That or start it off with a sequence like the Eridan and Sollux fight with the first few chips at Rose's bar before going back to single panels. Wouldn't have been AS good as a big flash animation for the fight, but I think people would be a little LESS disappointed.

On a somewhat separate note and yes, I know it'd never happen, but it would have been amusing to have something of a fighting game. While it would be impossible to beat Jack, I think it would be amusing to see people actually try.

[Revising Ocelot]

I think Hussie's burning out due to the combination of other stuff, and is trying to 'compensate' for it with the many inordinate flashes for things like showing the Tumour rather than fight scenes. Rather than try to feed his pretentiousness, he should just go 'feck it' and take a break for 2 weeks or so without it being because of other obligations. Then get back to the normal continous updates rather than the sporadic stuff we've had.

Then again I've not heard of a single webcomic that doesn't suffer from Schedule Slip. The fact he used to churn out 4+ pages every day before I started reading was unheard of from my viewpoint.


Guess I jinxed it. I've been jinxing a lot of things this year.

[rpgdemon]

I think Hussie's burning out due to the combination of other stuff, and is trying to 'compensate' for it with the many inordinate flashes for things like showing the Tumour rather than fight scenes. Rather than try to feed his pretentiousness, he should just go 'feck it' and take a break for 2 weeks or so without it being because of other obligations. Then get back to the normal continous updates rather than the sporadic stuff we've had.

Then again I've not heard of a single webcomic that doesn't suffer from Schedule Slip. The fact he used to churn out 4+ pages every day before I started reading was unheard of from my viewpoint.


Guess I jinxed it. I've been jinxing a lot of things this year.

Nah, I think it was me. I started following MSPaintAdventures, and the updates died. Like, as soon as I started following it.

And taking a two week break can be kind of bad for motivation sometimes. You end up being all, "Well, now I've got a blank page and haven't had to deal with this before for awhile."

[Revising Ocelot]

And taking a two week break can be kind of bad for motivation sometimes. You end up being all, "Well, now I've got a blank page and haven't had to deal with this before for awhile."

Indeed, but I think he's getting that right now. Plot threads going essentially nowhere and such.

[synkr0nized]

OH, phew. I was worried that by walking away from this comic, to let it go somewhere for a while so I could read a larger chunk at a time, I experienced an artificial drop of interest, but it seems I am not the only one who's feeling kind of "meh" about it at present.

[Dracorion]

Lost. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCJsOGtZVr8)

Oh God.

It all makes sense now.

Andrew Hussie is secretly one of the creators of Lost.

The perfect crime.

[Revising Ocelot]

Update.



Is that a Warhammer of Vriskahoo?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Why the fuck is he so happy? Was Rose revived? What was the reviving process like, for him and possibly Rose? The tumor? Ugggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


edit: the hammer seems to also have Ahabs Crosshairs and some sort of blade on it. My theory is that all the other kids died and John claimed all their specibi. He's so happy because he's about to meet Karkat and not be alone anymore.

[Aldurin]

Shut up, Mr. Scratch, we knew that's why he wouldn't die long before the disc even broke.

[Solid Snake]

OH, phew. I was worried that by walking away from this comic, to let it go somewhere for a while so I could read a larger chunk at a time, I experienced an artificial drop of interest, but it seems I am not the only one who's feeling kind of "meh" about it at present.

Why is it that every time I read one of these "meh" posts re: Homestuck, I feel eerily vindicated? :P

[Art of Hilt]

Vriska improved the hammer.
Neat.

Also personally the reason why I'm not as bothered by how anticlimatic Rose's death is, is because I have a pretty strong feeling it doesn't really represent a climax. I don't think her death is permanent, and I don't think reviving her will cure her of the horrorterror's influence which is the bigger issue with Rose. That's just a feeling I have, though, I'm easily (also, frequently) wrong.

[Aldurin]

At least we know this isn't a Rose permadeath (she has time to slowly bleed out of her gut at the worst), now Vriska has to convince John to kiss her.

[Loyal]

No, he's pretty unambiguous about that.
The duel ends. The Seer dies. The Slayer departs. The Heir comes back to life.

[Bard The 5th LW]

She still has a dreamself.

Death is sort of weird without the finality.

[Arcanum]

Calling it now: Rose is going God-Tier by using the second method that Scratch vaguely mentioned before.

Woah, wait, even crazier idea: When a fallen hero is kissed by a prince/princess of Derse/Prospit they are revived as a prince/princess on Derse/Prospit. So what would happen if a God (who, once ascended, becomes more affiliated with the Battlefield than their planet) kisses a fallen hero?

[Specterbane]

A boat load of "'shippers" start getting upset/doing acrobatic pirouettes off of handles.

[Viridis]

When a fallen hero is kissed by a prince/princess of Derse/Prospit they are revived as a prince/princess on Derse/Prospit.

They're all already princes/princesses, though :raise:

[Kim]

She still has a dreamself.

Death is sort of weird without the finality.

Not that I believe for one second that Rose will stay dead, but dreamselves die when the realsies self dies.

[Bard The 5th LW]

There's a bit of cut-off time, as shown with Sollux and Vriska. As long as John gets the info that kiss = revival, then he should be able to do it in time.

[Arcanum]

They're all already princes/princesses, though :raise:

Exactly. A prince/princess kisses a dying prince/princess and they are revived as a prince/princess (i.e. exactly the same). I was simply speculating if something different would happen if a God were to kiss a prince/princess. In other words I was wondering if the revival process didn't rely so much on who is being kissed, and more so on who is doing the kissing.

[Art of Hilt]

Tiny update.
What the-
Get out of that banner this instant what are you doing.

[Grimpond]

[Bonk.]

[rpgdemon]

That's actually exactly the panel from the actual update. It amuses me.

[Solid Snake]

Man this entire month has been a series of copouts wherein Hussie tantalizes with me with the thought that Vriska is finally going to get her comeuppance, only for her to miraculously escape unharmed despite all the buildup.

So what I am expecting here is pretty much like Vriska to somehow materialize her luck into a massive Katamari ball of fairy magic that runs over Jack, and then Kanaya and John compete to be her matesprit while Terezi sends her love letters with spades on them and Karkat declares Vriska to be Queen of All the Everything and Hussie prepares his wedding gown and Nicolas Cage appears out of nowhere and challenges him to a duel in a wifebeater

[Fifthfiend]

Man this entire month has been a series of copouts wherein Hussie tantalizes with me with the thought that Vriska is finally going to get her comeuppance, only for her to miraculously escape unharmed despite all the buildup.

In fairness it was just one super ridiculous neverendingly long buildup, then copout. Then this second one we're doing now.

edit: IDK if it's even a copout, like at this point the least-interesting, most dramatically uncompelling thing is pretty much what I expect from anything in this comic involving vriska.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Totally Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQFspE3UeA)

[Revising Ocelot]

If I had any kind of Photoshop skill I'd be swapping out Vriska for the Scout.


...or Photoshop itself, for that matter.

[POS Industries]

Jack met a weird bug and didn't even care.

[Solid Snake]

Oh, how predictable: Another lengthy buildup to an inevitable copout.

Homestuck is tumbling down by 'favorites' list faster than Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff down stairs.

[Revising Ocelot]

Oh, how predictable: Another lengthy buildup to an inevitable copout.

Homestuck is tumbling down by 'favorites' list faster than Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff down stairs.

What else were you expecting? Another teleportstab flash? Jack's already had a run-in with one annoying fairy, so he'll take the easy route first and go after all those Trolls without God Tier powers.

[Kim]

But it's been shown that God Tier characters don't pose a threat to him.

[Revising Ocelot]

No, but they're hindrances. John was untrackable and Aradia time-froze him. He doesn't know what Vriska can do, and doesn't care for finding out just yet.

[Kim]

Since when has he *ever* been shown to run from a fight, regardless of reason?

[Revising Ocelot]

Well, he didn't stabbify PM after she claimed the thingies I can't remember from WQ/WK. Not exactly running though. *shrug*

[Kim]

That would be because he had a deal with her, IIRC, and it was pre-God-Mode, too.

[Loyal]

Yes, the only thing that has been known to make Jack consciously check himself is the guidance of DD. Except that that Droog isn't in the Troll universe.

[Solid Snake]

Since when has he *ever* been shown to run from a fight, regardless of reason?

Still, I'm sick and tired of Andrew repeatedly building tension through a series of dramatic updates that lead us expecting something only to then pull back anticlimactically at the last moment and pretend that that's the joke. It's effective as a storytelling strategy if used sparingly but lately it seems to be all he's capable of doing. We desperately need an update or two that actually includes serious narrative progression or a legitimately surprising twist that advances things.

Also, Vriska catching so many lucky breaks, despite being somewhat in-character for her I suppose, is certainly no way to 'redeem' her or 'endear' me to her. She's still a twisted antihero version of a Mary Sue who desperately needs a real, legitimate comeuppance. At this juncture I really have no clue whatsoever what Hussie intends with her, and I'm caring less and less. I'm far more interested in what Sollux and Karkat are up to despite the fact that the narrative seems to have all-but forgotten them.
And no, Jack refusing to kill her does not qualify as a comeuppance no matter how wounded Vriska's precious misguided pride may be.

[POS Industries]

Thing is, this is basically the worst thing he could have done to Vriska. Teleportstabs don't really fit the requirements of the "just" death required to permanently kill a god tier player and, at this point, Jack's probably figured that out given how many times John keeps getting the fuck back up.

Ignoring Vriska, on the other hand, is basically the only way to truly hurt her, because that's the only way she can't get what she wants in any situation.

[Kim]

I've stated it elsewhere, but I'd probably be more okay with this for that exact reason were it not for the fact that it's been nothing but anticlimaxes lately and I've just tired of it.

[POS Industries]

I've stated it elsewhere, but I'd probably be more okay with this for that exact reason were it not for the fact that it's been nothing but anticlimaxes lately and I've just tired of it.
Yeah, this would have been a lot better if it had followed a flash with a badass fight scene where somebody actually managed to last more than half a second against Jack for once, even if they still ended up losing. You know, something big and exciting that would have broken up the monotony.

A shame there was never an opportunity for something like that. Nope, none whatsoever.

No, siree.

[Solid Snake]

POS: I think I'd be much more satisfied then if there just wasn't such a time-draining buildup to all this. Show an update or two that resolves the thread and then move on. There are far more important and consequential developments we should be spending considerably more time on, and that's particularly true if Andrew's IRL issues have led to a slowdown in total daily updates. We're basically wasting weeks away on tidbits of information that could be given away in a much shorter timeframe.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

[rpgdemon]

I've stated it elsewhere, but I'd probably be more okay with this for that exact reason were it not for the fact that it's been nothing but anticlimaxes lately and I've just tired of it.

Also @Snake:

You do know what forum this is, right? The forum of the comic that was built of a pile of anticlimaxes? :P

Not that you don't have a legitimate complaint, I just find it a bit funny.

[Kim]

8-Bit's anti-climaxes were just generally far better executed, and 8-Bit is actually not nearly as good as Brian's other stuff specifically because it relied so heavily on anti-climaxes.

[Solid Snake]

Also @Snake:

You do know what forum this is, right? The forum of the comic that was built of a pile of anticlimaxes? :P


You've engaged in a logical fallacy. Just because I'm posting here doesn't mean I was actually a huge fan of 8-Bit Theater. :P

But that was different because 8BT was honest and upfront with its anticlimactic nature -- the comic wasn't built with a serious dramatic narrative and character development attached. I'm not going around bitching because Beetle Bailey's characters never age or do anything important.

[POS Industries]

I'm not going around bitching because Beetle Bailey's characters never age or do anything important.

Well, you should.

There's two fucking wars happening but ain't shit going on at Camp Swampy. I wanna see Zero's family receiving a flag and a letter from the President, goddammit!

[rpgdemon]

You've engaged in a logical fallacy. Just because I'm posting here doesn't mean I was actually a huge fan of 8-Bit Theater. :P


Well, you've engaged in a falical logicy! And man, those are -way- worse. Let me tell you.

So much worse.

[BitVyper]

Just because I'm posting here doesn't mean I was actually a huge fan of 8-Bit Theater.

No, but your posts in the 8 Bit Theatre comic threads make it the better assumption. Whether or not your fan status follows logically from the information available to any member of this board is largely going to be a matter of how one defines their terms.

[stefan]

to be fair, this is pretty much exactly what terezi warned everyone would happen.

[Marc v4.0]

idiot

[CelesJessa]

POS: I think I'd be much more satisfied then if there just wasn't such a time-draining buildup to all this. Show an update or two that resolves the thread and then move on.

I dunno, I don't think it's all that much "dramatic buildup" as it is "telling a story visually" I mean, the whole "buildup" of her flying to Jack took, what, 10 panels? That's not a whole heck of a lot, honestly, when you look at the big picture. It just seems like it because of the time it takes between updates. At least, that's how I read it but sometimes I wait and read updates in chunks instead of one at a time and stewing over that page.

Also, about the update in general, Jack was being smart and following Vriska's magical fairy dust trail to find the people he wants to murder before it disappears, he wasn't just letting her live for no reason, I don't think. Vriska screwed up.

[Bard The 5th LW]

My guess is that Jack may have learned that God Tier players just rise up after stabbing. Gotta follow the pixie trail while its still strong!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Double albums all the way across the sky!

Double posting to. Am I in trouble?

[Art of Hilt]

And an update too, how wonderf-
...
AHA
AHA HA HA HA
AHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
oh god what ;___;

[Specterbane]

Not to mention all the fun questions raised by the music art at what we were supposed to be seeing, or hopefully will be seeing post Scratch.

I'm not holding out hope.

[Bard The 5th LW]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no karkat why I wanted to see what happened ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Im grasping but we technically saw Jack only blow up most of the veil close up. Otherwise its just been in the distance. Maybe there's hope that more than Aradia/Vriska will survive?

[MuMu]

Everybody's dead, Bard.

[Bard The 5th LW]

:crying:

[Kim]

I have less than no interest in the Mobius Trip album.

I just.

Dont.

Give a fuck.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I have less than no interest in the Mobius Trip album.

I just.

Dont.

Give a fuck.

Man, that's fucking fascinating.

[Solid Snake]

So that's how this is going to be written? We'll waste weeks building up to an anticlimax in which Terezi and Vriska refuse to fight, but we won't spend any time learning of the destruction of the hideout and the probable deaths of those inside it?

yyyyeeeeaaaahhhh

[Fifthfiend]

edit: IDK if it's even a copout, like at this point the least-interesting, most dramatically uncompelling thing is pretty much what I expect from anything in this comic involving vriska.

Taking this back a bit because jack being like "welp, later" owned.