Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Mike McC]

You just now (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003063) noticed that?

Of course, that's not the only (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003072) thing (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002857).

[Flarecobra]

He had better punch one in the nose to establish vengence.

[POS Industries]

Chronology, sadly, was not established on this day.

[Flarecobra]

Close enough though.

[Kim]

Anyone else get a Donnie Darko vibe out of that last bit?

[Flarecobra]

Never seen/read it, so I can't say...

[Locke cole]

According to Hussie:
"Just to be clear, it is a 100% non-dubious reference to Donnie Darko."

[POS Industries]

It appears that Hearts Boxcars also has the chessboard wrist tattoo (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003117), whereas the Burlier Agent does not. (http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Burlier_Agent.gif)

Curiouser and curiouser...

[Mike McC]

It appears that Hearts Boxcars also has the chessboard wrist tattoo (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003117), whereas the Burlier Agent does not. (http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Burlier_Agent.gif)

Curiouser and curiouser...Nope, nope, nope, I'm sorry, but you are wrong (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002857).

Huh? What?

Hussie went back and edited that in? To cover his ass?

No, not our Hussie! He wouldn't do that!

[POS Industries]

Certainly not!

But no, I'm totally fine with this retcon. It keeps my previously established notions firmly in place.

[Loyal]

A thought occurs:

The Felt are dropping like flies right now... how were they ever adversaries to the Midnight Crew?

Also, it sounds more and more as if Lord English is none other than Ultima's Lord British.

[Mike McC]

A thought occurs:

The Felt are dropping like flies right now... how were they ever adversaries to the Midnight Crew?TIME TRAVEL.

[POS Industries]

Also, we're coming in at the end of the Midnight Crew's story, which means that our beloved antiheroes have likely leveled up considerably during the course of their tale, while I guess the Felt haven't so much.

[Wigmund]

Wonder how HB will get out of his time loop predicament.

And that's a nice overcoat.

[Mike McC]

A Stitch in time saves 9.

[Preturbed]

I'm going to post this here because if I put it anywhere else I would be shunned for life:

Everybody out of the god damn way. You got a hat full of bomb, a fist full of penis, and a head full of empty.

[Donomni]

Clubs Deuce is my new favorite character, srsly.

[PCD]

Oh mah god Snowman is so hardcore.

EDIT: Guess who brought back the retcon fairy (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002858)

DUN DUN DUNNNN

[BitVyper]

Hi, WV!

Edit: Or not.

[Ryong]

Hah, loved the scar-stitching thing. Where'd Boxcars go again, though?

[PCD]

This comic

is the best fucking comic

[Doc ock rokc]

This comic

is the best fucking comic

OH YEAH! (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003230)

[Flarecobra]

Bossfight time?

Or will he have a heartattack and just pass out?

[Loyal]

I suppose it was only a matter of time till we saw the "into next week" pun, given everything else.

[PCD]

Holy fffffffffffff

God damn this comic is hardcore

Arm: Retrieve SS from safe

[BitVyper]

Something tells me we've just met one of the trolls.

[Flarecobra]

Given the number of screens, and the shirt symbol, I'd say so.

Any bets Act 4 introduices more of them?

[POS Industries]

This would appear to be carcinoGeneticist.

[Kim]

Looks like a fun/nifty little flash bit. I'll check it out when doing so doesn't cause my laptop to nearly implode from the strain of it all.

[Lost in Time]

Great little thing, but I don't know, is there an end to this? I've killed plenty of imps and filled up my inventory, but I've yet to see a clear ending to it.

[Mike McC]

The ending is when you leave the area for The Land up the stairs on the southern side of the screen. Screen'll go to black. Don't worry about going there accidentally, Nanna warns you beforehand.

Though there is plenty to do, and make sure not to miss the three side areas, which have some great lines in them.

All in all it took me about 30, 40 minutes to do it all, making it a pretty decently sized indie flash game.

There's a nice depth in the programming. Not only can you weaponize your sylladex, but different items cause different amounts of damage (Sassacre is your most damaging weapon here, of course). The gushers box breaks open, and you can use the gushers to restore health. The Barbasol Gusher grenade actually goes off. There's a great attention to detail.

[katiuska]

I'm just satisfied I got to see the cat/princess/Eldritch horror imps I was hoping for. I want to live in that world.

[POS Industries]

D'awwww Dave <3's John!

[PCD]

That sad, resigned tone in Rose's response. Truly heartbreaking, seeing her acceptance that she can never have him.

[Flarecobra]

Um...wow.

Just wow. It's like Lisa Frank designed that place.

[Loyal]

You are quite certain that ladies like squishy useless things like that. Oh Andrew, you cad.

[Donomni]

HOO. HOO HOO.

[Mike McC]

You know, I was thinking that Peregrine Mendicant talking to John would cause him to 'wake'. Though, I must say, I definitely prefer the way things unfolded to my initial speculation.

[PCD]

The Exiles are the most adorable characters.

Rose looks spooky as all heck in that shot. A gothish girl in a rainbow land, radiating disaster in more than one way.

[POS Industries]

So, looks like the crow with a sword in it is, in fact, counted as a single item, and Dave's kernelsprite doesn't undergo tier 2 prototyping until after he enters the Medium. The red tint on his screen is likely due to his house being transported to The Land of Time and Flame or whatever Hussie plans on calling it.

And if his kernelsprite still has a second prototyping to undergo, you know what that means...

[Bard The 5th LW]

We can only hope to the good lord in heaven that Dave doesn't give it a second prototyping with.... it (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scraps/cal_gamebro.gif).

Man, I don't even want to see that. My hope is that it gets suggested, and Dave responds with a swift 'Hell No!' and kicks the damn puppet off of the roof or something.

[POS Industries]

Which Jade then catches and puts in the seizure kernel anyway because puppets are really cute and Lil Cal is sooooooo coooooooooool!

[Flarecobra]

Well, given that Cal's in many pieces....

It's going to be one of those puppets with the phallic noses and squishy rumps.

[PCD]

Taken from the forums:

If the sprite becomes a combination of the Sword-bird and destroyed Cal, it has to be called Ex-Calibird.

[katiuska]

Which Jade then catches and puts in the seizure kernel anyway because puppets are really cute and Lil Cal is sooooooo coooooooooool!

That does sound like something she'd do.

Poor Dave. He and Jade aren't very well-matched for this.

[Wigmund]

I wonder what Dave's imps are gonna look like.

[Flarecobra]

That's one way to get her to wake up...

Not the best way...but still creative.

[Donomni]

It's possible Dave could use his old Dumb Anime Glasses and prototype a Brobird.

That would, of course, one-up him at every possible turn.

I have to admit, though, Ex-calibird is genius.

[Locke cole]

Prototype it with Dave's Beta! Knowledge of the entire game, possibly? Yes please!

[Loyal]

Not the best way...but still creative.I disagree. That was THE best way to wake her up. With her own dreambot. :P

[Flarecobra]

I disagree. That was THE best way to wake her up. With her own dreambot. :P

Nah, the best way was to wake her up with her own guitar. :P

Or flip her off the mattress.

[POS Industries]

Nah, the best way was to wake her up with her own guitar. :P

Or flip her off the mattress.
Too much effort.

And not ironic enough.

[BitVyper]

Strider has obviously never heard of tengu.

[PCD]

Okay WV, PM and AR are going to give me diabetes. It's official.

[Loyal]

TWIST OF THE GODDAMN CENTURY.

[Flarecobra]

Dun dun dunnn?

[PCD]

WOMEN.

[katiuska]

Taken from the forums:

If the sprite becomes a combination of the Sword-bird and destroyed Cal, it has to be called Ex-Calibird.

On a related note, I guess Eldritch Princess Jaspers is Jaspersprite? That's what I've been calling him anyway, but it occurred to me yesterday before the pages went up that he could also be called "Cathulhu."

[Flarecobra]

That last troll made my eyes hurt. >_<

[Lost in Time]

My eyes were fine. My brain on the other hand though... :(

[Loyal]

This one was at least a bit informative though. And sensible.

[Donomni]

Oh, gee, that was a reveal that was COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED.

Looks like SnoTHE SHADOW QUEEN gets the most significant augments from the kids jumping in the worlds. I would assume the same for THE LIGHT MONARCH.

[Mike McC]

Oh, gee, that was a reveal that was COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED.You were early with that statement.

[Flarecobra]

And Egg is now a sound effect, apperentally.

And well, at least Rose might like the olive.

[Mike McC]

97% probability that WINDSWEPT QUESTANT is the WHITE QUEEN.

[PCD]

Man, I knew pretty much exactly how WV and AR were going to react, but that didn't stop me from giggling uncontrollably. I love that there's been pretty much one thing on their minds.

[Flarecobra]

That explains the sword...

Wonder if perhaps the wanderers are these character's decendents.

[Mike McC]

That explains the sword...

Wonder if perhaps the wanderers are these character's decendents.No, these characters are most likely the same ones as the wanderers, as evidenced by PM recognizing John and Jade in the future, and telling John to send that carved tablet to her past incarnation.

[Flarecobra]

Well, seeing as they're 413 years in the future, it remains to be seen.

Just one more mystery.

[Mike McC]

Well, seeing as they're 413 years in the future, it remains to be seen.

Just one more mystery.The medium is outside of time. So, the kids are entering the medium 413 years before the exiles find the SBurb equipment, but we don't know what the exit time of the exiles is.

[Flarecobra]

Hence the mystery.

Only one that can say for certain is Mr. Hussie.

[Wigmund]

Loving Jack's reaction to what's in the box.

[Mike McC]

Suggestion Boxes are locked until 4/13

I'll be taking over command-authoring completely until 4/13. My hope is to ensure maximum efficiency while building to something significant on the 1 year anniversary. Reducing the number of frivolous tangents the suggestion box leads to is part of this.

I'll still be harvesting input through the forum community in more subtle and unpredictable ways.

I'll reevaluate the situation after 4/13.I would have preferred this to be an emptyquote.

[Flarecobra]

Hm. That's not too bad, for a blind person.

[BitVyper]

Damn, Rose is pretty badass.

[Loyal]

I think we need some stronger words than "badass" for the things people do in this series.

[PCD]

Seriously, I was wondering how on earth Rose was going to manage to keep up with those tiny little things as her weapons, but... that's just... epic.

[Flarecobra]

Took the words out of my mouth there.

[Loyal]

That troll's face is going to become a Face Meme, isn't it.

[Mike McC]

So glad to see you bringing in only the finest topics worthy of our discussion.

Not even a mention of the best part (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=015.jpg) of Homestuck, either.

[Flarecobra]

The Midnight Crew? :P

[Loyal]

The best part is clearly the growing, hilarious relationship between John's Dad and Jack Noir.

[PCD]

Sticking by the Catastrophic Courtship Errors by WV and AR, personally.

Also god damn I laughed until I cried at aT's face. He just reeks of douchebag.

[Locke cole]

Ohsi- GC is trying to sequence break SBURB. Nothing good can come of this.

[Krylo]

I disagree.

Perhaps it will finally end the infinite cycle of destruction that has been described by John's Grandma-sprite.

I may be biased because I think GC is kinda cute, though.

[Mike McC]

Relevant fanart.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2936/mspatrolls.png (http://my2k.deviantart.com/)

[Flarecobra]

...Why do I suspect John's about to get ROYALLY screwed over?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Because he is letting a troll be his mission control. A troll in two senses of the word.

[Locke cole]

Oh this update was pretty funny. It's all like: "PM? Is totally going to assassinate the queen you guys oh wait why is it the white queen oh haha psyche she's not trying to assassinate any queens she's just going to her own queen for advice."

[Loyal]

My, Spades Slick, what lovely... tracts of land you've grown.

And you've bleached your skin!

[Mike McC]

My, Spades Slick, what lovely... tracts of land you've grown.

And you've bleached your skin!Except she's the negative mirror image of the black Queen, which we've already seen (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003435). Are you even paying attention? They obviously look like that due to the prototyping of the kernels, they get all the different motifs applied to them. Which means when Dave enters they will likely get a crow's beak and a sword through them. The missing arm and slashed eye comes from the fact that John's harlequin doll had been mangled similairly (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002083). And Spades Slick is an exile of the Troll's game, anyway.

[Loyal]

Good lord, Mike, get that stick out of your ass. It was a simple joke about similar appearances.

Even considering how confusing the 'rules' of this story go I'm not sure they allow for genderbending antihero mob-guys..

[Mike McC]

Sorry, but most of the people I've stumbled across making that statement have been completely ignorant. Hell, I'm still telling some people that the doll here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002949) was always there, and wasn't stealth-edited in after Spades Slick. The missing arm/scarred eye has become a motif, much like 4/13.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if John ended up that way. Maybe he will on April 13th.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm definitely setting the new update as my wallpaper.

And I'm a bit worried that the captchalouging of Casey may end badly (http://what-do-you-do.net/2009/06/failure-to-store/).

[POS Industries]

....Wait, did I miss something or did it pretty much just skip the entirety of Dave's leadup to entering the Nexus?

[BitVyper]

Well, with access to John's grist and knowledge, it really wasn't gonna take him that long to do the same stuff.

[PCD]

It's some sort of timeskip. My immediate assumption is that, since the Medium is timeless, things are kind of fluid as to what happens between the kids now. Since John snuck ahead of the gates, now he's at a point in time where Dave is much further along.

other option: April Fools.

[Loyal]

We've already seen John go through it all. It's not like we can't extrapolate most of how the other kids are getting to this point in their story.

[Mike McC]

In case you didn't notice, Dave is remixing time with his turntables.

[katiuska]

Haha, the ending of that was priceless. Poor Dave, his spirit guide is the unholy combination of a brainless feathery asshole and the world's creepiest doll.

[Flarecobra]

Ok, that was rather interesting.

I still want to know how he made that sword, and how he made that suit though.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Ahh, it was a time skip. Guess this explains what the trolls were doing. Now they have about 4-12 new antagonists. They are also about to get smacked upside the head by a timey-wimey ball to.

[Mike McC]

Ahh, it was a time skip. Guess this explains what the trolls were doing. Now they have about 4-12 new antagonists. They are also about to get smacked upside the head by a timey-wimey ball to.They only have for sure one antagonist. Who has it in for John. Maybe.

[BitVyper]

Maybe.

Well, while it's possible that she was trying to help, and her info didn't apply to his game, or John just fucked up and woke the denizen, I'm pretty sure now that she was actively trying to screw him over. The way she presented her information reminds me of how someone presented the rules of pool to me when I pretended I didn't know how to play.

[Mike McC]

I have a new theory.

Snowman is issuing commands to gallowsCalibrator, just as we saw Spades Slick issuing commands to carcinoGeneticist.






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[katiuska]

Oh god, I laughed even harder when I saw Dave's new prototyping.

I like how John is ready to believe a violent, leetspeaking troll but not his own friend.

[POS Industries]

Why do I get the feeling that Dave's going to end up not being a high enough level to use all that sick gear from the future he just received?

EDIT: Also I can't wait to see the Dave imps that this is going to produce.

[katiuska]

He's already in the medium at this point. So (I think) no Dave imps, unfortunately. Though it would still be pretty funny if he found himself more exasperating than he did Calsprite.

[Donomni]

Man, these last updates have been pretty damn awesome.

This, of course, brings up a lot of speculation about what Jade's sprite could turn into.

[Mike McC]

I've been making some avatars from Homestuck for another forum I go to. They're 125x125, and some exceed the 19.5 kB limit, so they'd need some resizing to work here, but you guys are welcome to use them as you see fit:

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[BitVyper]

Hey, those are pretty sweet.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Totally got GC. Now I just need a better title.

And GC is completely lieing and is going to screw everyone over. Its been proven already she can't be trusted. She is not sincer about what she sais.

[POS Industries]

What the hell, I'll steals me one. Thanks, bro.

[Mike McC]

No problem. It's a shame the animation doesn't really scale down with those two. I just tried to resize them myself, but the animation's too subtle and it ends up looking like crap. :(

[PCD]

Thanks bro, I was thinking about how much I liked this image.

In other news, haha, I knew that gC and Dave would get along ridiculously well. They are the true trolls of this series.

[katiuska]

Sweet, thanks.

[Mike McC]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/grampaharleyohgodthestaring.gif

Here, have a few more.

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[PCD]

You guys have no idea how hard I just "awwwww"'d at that update. That bro-ness we saw right there? That was adorable.

reconsider....

[Bard The 5th LW]

It was a truly heartwarming show of the human emotion known as friendship.

[Kim]

Snoop you rascal. Sneaking in like that.

[katiuska]

Though it would still be pretty funny if he found himself more exasperating than he did Calsprite.

Or else they'll be bros and annoy the shit out of everyone else. Which was the most likely outcome, but not the funniest one.

Good god, there are two of them.

But yeah, that was pretty adorable.


Update: Hahaha, oh Dave, you rascal.

[Flarecobra]

That must have been one hard ball of yarn.

And what the hell is Cal doing there?

Guess we'll find out in time...

[Geminex]

CAL IS EVERYWHERE.

Or perhaps he's Dave's final Denizen. That might be interesting.

I'm playing with the thought of leaving this for a year and then coming back for another archive binge.

[Viridis]

Same here. I binged it for three days and am a little disappointed I have to wait around for updates now. I was honestly hoping, when someone showed it to me, that it was a finished series.

[Geminex]

Well, we get, like, three pages a day, which is pretty cool. But the thing about archive binges is that, while you go through quite quickly, you miss the occasional small detail. And thanks to interrelated casualty, timeline clusterfucks, and so many Chekhov's guns (and katanas, hammers and knitting needles) that I've lost count, EVERY DETAIL COUNTS. Everything affects everything in this, and (while the entire recap helped) I feel that to really get everything I'd have to go through the entire archives again.

So if I let this rest, then that'll be a big factor.

And I'm not sure if I'm just being as naive as John here, but I don't think GC is malign. An asshole, yes, but not out to kill the players.

[katiuska]

Dream Dave better hope his computer doesn't reflect what his waking self was up to.

Like seriously Dave, we all know you want to plumb Rose's secrets, but you're in the middle of an interplanetary quest and you abandon all that as soon as you spot the opportunity to ransack her room. Focus, dude, focus.

And I'm not sure if I'm just being as naive as John here, but I don't think GC is malign. An asshole, yes, but not out to kill the players.

I don't know. It's not clear whether she really is out to kill them, but she's obviously got her own agenda. The thing about cG's brand of evil is that it's insidious--when confronted, she acts just sincere enough to seem on the level, but she's definitely not to be trusted.

[Doc ock rokc]

Did any of you guys try out the Flash game in the News. IT's freaking awesome.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Tis indeed great.

And I like GC whether or not she is an antagonist. As someone on the MS paint Adventure forum once said (paraphrased), "I can't bring myself hate someone who sees orange creamsicles as necessity to society."

[Loyal]

Damnit, John, that kind of power is not to be used lightly!

Still, seriously d'awwwing at the gift.

[Mike McC]

Yeah, time traveling bunnies make the best gifts.

[POS Industries]

Yeah, time traveling bunnies make the best gifts.
It's the gift that keeps on getting given to you.

[BitVyper]

I just realised something while I was looking at Dave. (http://ftwgames.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/kid-chameleon-md.jpg)

[katiuska]

Well, that explains why gA thought Rose was stupid.

I'm not sure why I'm getting impatient with all this dicking around, I think I just really want to get to someone's first face-to-face conversation.

[Geminex]

Hell no. They'd probably be all awkward and not-awesome at all. Seriously the chat logs (and characters) are probably the thing I like most about HS. Right after that the plot, then comes the music, which is rare but still awesome. Then the art.

Mind you, I love it all.
Except for the time loops. If I wanted to make sense of time paradoxi and think in 4 dimensions, I most certainly would not be reading a webcomic.

[katiuska]

Dude, chatlogs are the sole form of communication for these people. :p It would still be a chatlog, it would just have a different name.

Seriously, shit is so close to getting real that it's starting to cause me physical pain.

[Arhra]

They have pills for that you know.

John handling the first conversation does explain a lot.

[katiuska]

Looks like we're now at the start of the troll's antics, and Twin Armageddons' remarks sound oddly familiar.

I don't think I want to know what his wires look like.

[POS Industries]

If I wanted to make sense of time paradoxi and think in 4 dimensions, I most certainly would not be reading a webcomic.
I guess it all sort of works a lot better if you've been obsessed with the various minutiae of temporal mechanics since early childhood.

[katiuska]

I accept time-travel shenanigans more readily than heavy metaphysical themes. If it were any other comic, I would never tolerate the business with the waking self vs. the dream self and the dream self representing repressed personality traits and apparently living on the moon of a planet in a video game. MSPA only gets away with it because it's incredibly awesome.

Then again, I'm probably just bitter. My dream self lives on Deimos, and I have to spend the entire time chasing cacodemons off my lawn.

Fucking Deimos.

[Geminex]

I'm fine with the metaphysical stuff, there's no problem there. That's logical. Cause and effect, even if it's hard to tell which is which. But when we see the present being influenced by the future, which is, in turn, influenced by both the present and the past, that's where it starts feeling a bit like work.

And seriously, fuck the interlude. That didn't even make sense.

[Donomni]

It makes more sense now, since Hussie has explained that the Midnight Crew are exiles from the Troll's game session.

I mean, could've made more sense earlier, but then it wouldn't be MSPA.

Also, sweet jams.

[Mike McC]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/rosedancingindreamlandrave.gif http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/roseanddavedanepartyravetime.gif http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/daveravingindreamland.gif

[katiuska]

I'm fine with the metaphysical stuff, there's no problem there. That's logical. Cause and effect, even if it's hard to tell which is which. But when we see the present being influenced by the future, which is, in turn, influenced by both the present and the past, that's where it starts feeling a bit like work.

And seriously, fuck the interlude. That didn't even make sense.

Well, it has nothing to do with how easy it is to follow and everything to do with my feelings toward metaphysics. As far as making sense goes, I prefer to sit back and enjoy the ride.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/01722.gif

As always, Rose gets straight to business.

[POS Industries]

Oh Hussie, you fucking tease.

[Flarecobra]

Dude...John just stole Vodka Mutini.

[POS Industries]

He left his beloved daughter in exchange, though.

[Mike McC]

Dude...John just stole Vodka Mutini.Dr. Meowgon Spengler is intelligent enough to make his own decisions http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[POS Industries]

Dr. Meowgon Spengler is intelligent enough to make his own decisions http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
What about the time he tried to drill a hole in his head? Remember that?

[Mike McC]

What about the time he tried to drill a hole in his head? Remember that?Wow, this is the second time in the past hour someone added to the Ghostbusters reference, and it just made me go "Eeeh." It's like advancing the reference hurts the overall :3 of Dr. Vodka Meowgon Mutini Spengler, and that just makes me http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/icon9.gif, because without the :3 it isn't as http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/jadeclap.gif.

Make sense?

[POS Industries]

Well, you could try not being a little bitch about it and ruining everyone else's fun, I guess.

[Mike McC]

Well, you could try not being a little bitch about it and ruining everyone else's fun, I guess.It's only http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/jadeclap.gif and http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/oneup.gif until a http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/vodkamutini.gif loses its http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/emot-3.gif and is reduced to a http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/stats.gif which only leads to http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/icon9.gif and http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/icon8.gif and noone will http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/birthday.gif anymore.

True story.

[POS Industries]

Wow, this is the second time in the past hour you did that annoying ass bullshit, and it just made me go "Eeeh."

[Mike McC]

Wow, this is the second time in the past hour you did that annoying ass bullshit, and it just made me go "Eeeh."http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/caliskindanightmarefuel.gif, or so I've been told.

[Bard The 5th LW]

May have to consult Sassacre, but AR? probably just became, like 5x more hilarious. Shit did indeed fly off the hook.

[Flarecobra]

...Anyone got the clown car entrance from Super Mario World vibe from the latest update?

[katiuska]

Now more than ever I want to know when the hell I can buy my Jade shirt.

It disturbs me how much of a tool I become when I love something.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Dead grandpa smackdown is now my wallpaper. Its probably a good thing Jade is unaware of the robots actions. Unless she just hates her grandpa.

[PCD]

Problem Sleuth Book aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why does my lack of money taunt me so

[Donomni]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/extras/ps000039_2.gif

Also, holy crap I need that book.

[Wigmund]

Well that can't be good.

[katiuska]

As gorgeous as the PS book looks, I can't help but feel that the timing is off. It would have made more sense a year ago, when PS was still fresh in our minds and we weren't quite sure what this new thing was.

It does look good, though.

That was simultaneously beautiful and sort of horrible to watch. Jackspers Noirlecrow is a force unholy.

[PCD]

Apparently this isn't even the animation he was planning on for 4/13.

And though the book might have made sense a year ago, it's not like they're exactly easy to publish. I know that Hussie has been trying to get this thing together for quite a while now. Just in my opinion, we're lucky that it finally got out at all.

[katiuska]

Yeah, I know. Honestly, I'm sort of amazed to see it at all. I don't know how you'd translate animated gifs to print, but I guess I have to find out now.

[Loyal]

Well, Rose, it's no WRINKLEFUCKER, but it'll do.

[Viridis]

Rose just used alchemy to generate some crazy awesome. I am generally pleased with this.

[Geminex]

As am I. I can't wait to see what Awesome Dave and Jade will be alchemizin' up.

[Flarecobra]

I think we've seen some of what Dave will be making. The switchbladesque sword for example. And of course, the new outfit.

Course, he's got all that gear now. He might not do it.

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah Dave got all his sweet shit already by cheating at causality.

But whatever. WELCOME TO THE PARTY MOTHERFUCKERS

[Marelo]

The PS book is crazy awesome, you guys. The foreword and the commentary alone were worth it.

[Wigmund]

Looks like Dave is done with his combination party. Now Jade needs to get in the game and start messing around.

[POS Industries]

Sadly, it'll be a while, unless Jade's grandpa manages to get the Cosbytop to John in the near future.

[Mike McC]

Sadly, it'll be a while, unless Jade's grandpa manages to get the Cosbytop to John in the near future.John's in the Veil, and has that technology at his fingertips at the moment.

[Wigmund]

I'm curious if Dave could obtain the horrifically costly creations for next to nothing by combining what would form them plus Sweet Bro and then later removing the Sweet Bro code from the item.

This assumes that removing code doesn't cost grist or whatever.

[POS Industries]

John's in the Veil, and has that technology at his fingertips at the moment.
John's in the veil and has technology at his fingertips, yes.

What he does not have is his own computer and a copy of the Sburb server host beta. So I mean it looks like he can potentially type messages into the other kids' heads (as well as his own) and compel them to do things but I doubt the availability of a method to pull Jade into the Medium is currently at his disposal.

[Mike McC]

John's in the veil and has technology at his fingertips, yes.

What he does not have is his own computer and a copy of the Sburb server host beta. So I mean it looks like he can potentially type messages into the other kids' heads (as well as his own) and compel them to do things but I doubt the availability of a method to pull Jade into the Medium is currently at his disposal.APPEARIFIERS.

[POS Industries]

APPEARIFIERS.
Since he doesn't currently know where the beta or the Cosbytop is or where they will be and neither has been appearified out of the past, he's still pretty much SOL there.

[Mike McC]

Since he doesn't currently know where the beta or the Cosbytop is or where they will be and neither has been appearified out of the past, he's still pretty much SOL there.A labsuit just for him was already there, too. Its like he was... expected.

[POS Industries]

A labsuit just for him was already there, too. Its like he was... expected.
Oh, there is definitely something big he's going to be doing there.

But unless the beta and Cosbytop were left there for him, pulling Jade into the Medium probably won't be it.

[Mike McC]

Oh, there is definitely something big he's going to be doing there.

But unless the beta and Cosbytop were left there for him, pulling Jade into the Medium probably won't be it.Well, his dreamself will be waking up soon, so his clairvoyance will be kicking in soon too.

[POS Industries]

Well, his dreamself will be waking up soon, so his clairvoyance will be kicking in soon too.
I doubt vague visions of future events will be enough for him to figure out the four-dimensional coordinates of the two items he'll need to save Jade, though.

But it'll be pretty neat seeing them interact in their dream states.

[Mike McC]

I doubt vague visions of future events will be enough for him to figure out the four-dimensional coordinates of the two items he'll need to save Jade, though.Have you even been paying attention to the elaborate manipulation Jade has been doing? She's extremely knowledgeable of what is going to happen.

[POS Industries]

Have you even been paying attention to the elaborate manipulation Jade has been doing? She's extremely knowledgeable of what is going to happen.
But she still mostly just sees vague impressions of the future and has years of experience in deciphering their meaning. And even then I still doubt her capability to pull off that specific a feat with her precognitive abilities.

Which means I really don't see a noob like John pulling it off on his first day.

[Mike McC]

Hmmm... You know, it could just be as simple as knowing what Transportalizer to step on. Being in the Land of Wind and Shade will automatically get him the Beta (given the mail delivery system), and then it's just a matter of returning to his house with the cheat rocket.

[POS Industries]

Hmmm... You know, it could just be as simple as knowing what Transportalizer to step on. Being in the Land of Wind and Shade will automatically get him the Beta (given the mail delivery system), and then it's just a matter of returning to his house with the cheat rocket.
Yeah, it shouldn't be too hard for him to do it, and the trolls' little timeline readout screen seemed to indicate that there's plenty of time before Jade enters.

[Mike McC]

Yeah, it shouldn't be too hard for him to do it, and the trolls' little timeline readout screen seemed to indicate that there's plenty of time before Jade enters.Well, it all depends on how long Dave was asleep after Rose woke up. There's no concrete reckoning on the flow of time.

I mean, they were all doing things which could have taken quite a lot of time. Or not much time at all. It's left fairly ambiguous.

[POS Industries]

I suppose it all depends on how much time it takes to shuttle from Prospit to Skaia.

[katiuska]

Jade doesn't seem to be in any great hurry, so I suspect it'll be a little while yet.

I'm disappointed in Dave's inability to keep his snooping a secret, though I guess when you read something that weird, it's all you can do not to say something. Not that there's much hope of elucidation. Rose sounds completely bananas right now, even in context.

[Mike McC]

Jade doesn't seem to be in any great hurry, so I suspect it'll be a little while yet.Well, she likely knows exactly when she'll enter, so why fret?I'm disappointed in Dave's inability to keep his snooping a secret, though I guess when you read something that weird, it's all you can do not to say something. Not that there's much hope of elucidation. Rose sounds completely bananas right now, even in context.I suppose it's now clear why Dream Cal was with Dream Dave. Likely he was placed there to keep Dave inside, to protect him.

[Viridis]

Hm. I can't decide yet if Rose burning that was a good thing or a bad thing, and vice versa for Dave keeping a copy. Current theory is that she had to burn it to keep a secret and the antagonists will find his copy.

[Grimpond]

So, we have Baby Cynical Mom, Baby Gentleman Dad, Baby...Jade's Mom?, and Baby Bro.

....and then we get Baby Rose, John, Jade, and Dave?? Wat!?!

[Viridis]

I have no idea what's happening anymore and I'm okay with that.

[Kim]

"John, you've created a Time Paradox!"

[Grimpond]

"John, you've created a Time Paradox!"

"Hoo Hoo Hoo!"

[POS Industries]

"No! I must make the clones" he shouted
The radio said "No, John. You are the clones"
And then John was sent back in time in a meteor by his future self.

[Loyal]

Well, if I had to go out in some way of my choosing, I suppose I would choose a precision meteor strike.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think I kinda followed it, but I'm not sure what the deal is with the clones of Bro, Rose's mom, nanna, and grandpa were for. Are they going to be sent back further to their guardians?

[Viridis]

I will GIVE UP if this becomes an ontological paradox.
Baby Cynical Mom, Baby Gentleman Dad, Baby...Jade's Mom?, and Baby Bro.
No. It's Baby Cynical Man, Baby Jade's Grampa, Baby Nanna, and Baby Bro. That confused me a bit, too.

[POS Industries]

Well, if I had to go out in some way of my choosing, I suppose I would choose a precision meteor strike.
Going out in a precision meteor strike is one thing.

Being born in one is a totally different and even more awesome thing.

[Mike McC]

Just for clarity:

Grampa Harley + Nanna = John + Jade
Mom + Bro = Rose + Dave

This also makes a lot of fanart infinitely creepier.

[POS Industries]

Actually, I'm guessing that the four kids are different traits of all four of the guardians' genomes thrown together, which explains Jade being outlined as something of a slightly off-kilter combination of the three when she was introduced.

Also it would effectively knock the Creep-O-Meter up a few bajillion notches on the shipping in one fell swoop, which seems like a thing Hussie would set out to do.

[Mike McC]

Actually, I'm guessing that the four kids are different traits of all four of the guardians' genomes thrown together, which explains Jade being outlined as something of a slightly off-kilter combination of the three when she was introduced.

Also it would effectively knock the Creep-O-Meter up a few bajillion notches on the shipping in one fell swoop, which seems like a thing Hussie would set out to do.No, if you look, there's two separate vats, each having two of the collection tubes dump into it. The Paradox Ghost Imprints of Nanna and Grampa Harley are on the left side, and the Paradox Ghost Imprints of Bro and Mom are on the right side. So, there's two separate ectobiological genetic mixings, one on the left, and one on the right.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/01889_2.gif

See? Two separate gene calculations happening.

EDIT: And he'd mess up the shipping because it probably amuses him.

[POS Industries]

Yeah, but if you look at their hair it's pretty obvious they're all related.

[Mike McC]

Yeah, but if you look at their hair it's pretty obvious they're all related.Two with dark hair, two with light hair.

I... don't think hairstyles are a genetically determined trait, man.

[katiuska]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/weasel.gif

My brain hasn't left the denial phase yet. This was the sort of revelation I'd hoped would be avoided.

[POS Industries]

Two with dark hair, two with light hair.

I... don't think hairstyles are a genetically determined trait, man.
The way hair naturally grows and lays is, though.

Not to mention that the paradox ghost slime was being collected in four different tubes in the same machine and just being on two different sides of the appearifier doesn't exactly change that.

But I mean you keep arguing with me on every issue with this comic and you always turn out to be wrong and I always turn out to be right so you know this might actually be your shining moment this time. I'm rooting for you. Really!

[Grimpond]

I will GIVE UP if this becomes an ontological paradox.

No. It's Baby Cynical Man, Baby Jade's Grampa, Baby Nanna, and Baby Bro. That confused me a bit, too.

Oh yeah, duh, it's baby Nanna.

[Mike McC]

The way hair naturally grows and lays is, though.

Not to mention that the paradox ghost slime was being collected in four different tubes in the same machine and just being on two different sides of the appearifier doesn't exactly change that.

But I mean you keep arguing with me on every issue with this comic and you always turn out to be wrong and I always turn out to be right so you know this might actually be your shining moment this time. I'm rooting for you. Really!I think the most likely explanation is 'their hair is like that so as to be instantly recognizable'. Keep in mind, the characters were designed an implimented likely far before this plot turn was devised.

Also, the are several things linking John and Jade strongly, and Rose and Dave strongly. Things such as John and Jade being in Prospit, and Rose and Dave being in Derse. Also, there is basic personalities, as well.

Plus, the separate vats does suggest that there are two sets of genetic material being drawn from. It would likely be very difficult to draw mixed genes from two separate vats. If it were easy, then the mixing stage would not be necessary, and the genetic mixing would be executed from the four separate tubes instead.

Evidence suggests two sets of twins instead of one set of quadruplets.

Also, and I admit this is a bit shaky, but one correction made by Hussie on the MSPA forums at least does not rule it out (he was only correcting the Dad thing): plick (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=8048&p=801354#p801354).

But the two sets of twins seems to be the prevailing theory on theMSPA forums, and that alone practically makes it a lock.

[POS Industries]

Well, in all fairness, I'd prefer your theory being right because I ship JohnxRose so I'm not going to be particularly upset if that's the case.

[katiuska]

Really? I always thought Dave/Rose had the most potential, but that's apparently out, so there you go. I hope the next update comes pretty soon just so the forum can stop discussing whether or not a given kid/kid pairing is incest.

Anyway! ENTIRE TEAM IS BABIES.

[POS Industries]

Dave/Rose always struck me as a bit too sibling rivalry, which kinda makes sense now. I mean, seriously, he even snooped in her diaries (neither of which turned out to actually be diaries but that's what he thought he was doing when he did it). That's like the most cliche kid brother thing ever.

Also WHAT KIND OF MAN SENDS BABIES THROUGH TIME?

[Mike McC]

Was browsing the MSPA forums to see if Hussie dropped any sly hints or anything, and I saw someone point this out:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/487/blurg.gif

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8878/blurgish.gif

[POS Industries]

That's a good eye for circles they have there.

I'm glad they caught that. I would have really regretted not knowing about that circle.

[Mike McC]

That's a good eye for circles they have there.

I'm glad they caught that. I would have really regretted not knowing about that circle.That's a map of the Medium. Every other instance it has come up, it has four planets (aside from Prospit/Derse) orbiting Skaia, and the 7 gates between each planet and Skaia (see below). But for some reason, that one has eight planets. It's a very curious find.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8898/00733.gif

Edit: Well, ALMOST (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003307) every other instance, but that one has another reason for how it looks.

Point is, near everything has driven in the point of four planets. But the terminal in Skaianet's lab has a map that shows eight planets.

[katiuska]

Dave/Rose always struck me as a bit too sibling rivalry, which kinda makes sense now. I mean, seriously, he even snooped in her diaries (neither of which turned out to actually be diaries but that's what he thought he was doing when he did it). That's like the most cliche kid brother thing ever.

Also WHAT KIND OF MAN SENDS BABIES THROUGH TIME?

Well, I've also known people to snoop on their crushes, out of curiosity. I could have cared less what was in my brother's stuff, but I guess the kid sister / older brother dynamic is different. Rose's journals remind me a little of how I wrote my kid diaries in code to thwart that specific shenanigan. Either way, I never expected any serious romantic development anyway, partly because they're 13 and partly because it's Hussie and I still remember the Problem Sleuth epilogue.

As for the possibility of 8 planets instead of four, I just try to take updates as they come, and leave it at that. I've tried the path of obsessive speculation, and in that way leads to madness.

[Wigmund]

But for some reason, that one has eight planets. It's a very curious find.

The Trolls' Session?

[Mike McC]

The Trolls' Session?Had 12.

[POS Industries]

Ah, yeah, no wonder I didn't recognize it. Pretty neat.

[Bard The 5th LW]

These recent updates are looking quite familiar...

And Jade stuffed Grandpa Harley herself? Gross.

[Kim]

I think my favorite part of the latest series of updates was the whole "YOU ARE THE STAR" and "ITS YOU" on the echeladder rankings.

[katiuska]

Yeah, we got a good chuckle out of that. Though I think my favorite thing is either baby Dave's Bro breaking into the tube or baby Rose and baby Rose's Mom playing pattycake in probably their only moment of getting along.

[Mike McC]

The babies are the most :3: thing ever.

Though, Dad holding onto that scarf for 13 years is pretty :3: as well. Really, the recent batch of pages have been my favorite artwork-wise.

[Viridis]

Did he hold onto it that long? When is that scene in the Veil? Depends on when the grampa died, I guess.

[Mike McC]

Is awesome (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/movies/SBAHJthemovie1.html)Did he hold onto it that long? When is that scene in the Veil? Depends on when the grampa died, I guess.... Dad entered the Veil the same time John did, 13 years to the day after he picked up the scarf.

THIS IS NOT THAT COMPLICATED.

[Viridis]

THIS IS NOT THAT COMPLICATED.I have a headache and for some reason thought the entire scene was a flashback (my head interpreted Grandpa's line of having much to do before getting stuffed as saying this was the past). Bah.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2383368/emotes/sweatdrop.gifhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/2383368/emotes/emot-downs.gif

[Mike McC]

But I mean you keep arguing with me on every issue with this comic and you always turn out to be wrong and I always turn out to be right so you know this might actually be your shining moment this time. I'm rooting for you. Really!Via Andrew Hussie's formspring (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie):Andrew, I wanted to ask something of the sort, Are the 4 hero's Related? Because from what i saw they might

Nanna is a paradox clone of herself.
Grandpa is a paradox clone of himself.
Bro is a paradox clone of himself.
Mom is a paradox clone of herself.

John is a clone of Nanna and Grandpa's ghost slime mixed together. So is Jade.

Rose is a clone of Mom and Bro's ghost slime mixed together. So is Dave.

John and Jade are biologically related, in the same way siblings are. Though they are not literally siblings. We saw how they were "born".

Dave and Rose are the same way.

John is not related to Rose.
Dave is not related to Jade.

There is no evidence to suggest nanna, grandpa, mom, or bro are related to each other in any way. They are all clones of themselves, sent back in time to become themselves.

Paradox clones.Mystery solved!

[PCD]

I could giggle at cG's expressions forever. True fact.

[Kim]

That... That was the greatest thing I've seen in my life.

[Grimpond]

AHAHAhahahahahahahaha

:aaa:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha


Ahahaha......ahaha...hahahahahaha.

:eek:

[Doc ock rokc]

Epic Guitar solo! Bro

[Bard The 5th LW]

I love CG and GC so much more now. The troll segments were probably my favorite parts of that animation.

[Flarecobra]

Loved the music from it.

[MuMu]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6742/homewtfdidijustwatch.png (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/homewtfdidijustwatch.png/)

This Face

Is the best face

Can't really blame cG for all the trolling he does, this was just too much for his poor mind.

[Wigmund]

John's Mullet needs to return as a defensive item of absolute power and mangrit
7392

[Mike McC]

Sadly, it'll be a while, unless Jade's grandpa manages to get the Cosbytop to John in the near future.Just a call back to this here, but...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/68db677a956847d96439affad097184beb7.png

SOONER THAN YOU THINK, BRO.

Seriously, on the Trollian timeline we are practically right on the time Jade enters the Medium.

Oh, and one more thing...

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/andherecomesjohnwiththeguitarsolo.gifhttp://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/whyareyoudoingthatniccage.gifhttp://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/Avatars/takeustherecasey.gif

[POS Industries]

SOONER THAN YOU THINK, BRO.

Seriously, on the Trollian timeline we are practically right on the time Jade enters the Medium.
I suppose it all depends on how much time it takes to shuttle from Prospit to Skaia.
Sadly, it'll be a while, unless Jade's grandpa manages to get the Cosbytop to John in the near future.
Considering how many other items the guardians happened to leave laying around, Grandpa especially, the Cosbytop and Server Beta are probably nearby.

So, ya know, I'm still right about everything. Good eye, though.

[BitVyper]

Everyone read this update and see the pictures? (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003835) Good.

Just wanted to make sure. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1032438&postcount=632)

[Mike McC]

Bit of a cross post I made on another forum. Because, eh, why not.

So, yesterday I had a buspiphany (the best kind of -piphany) about what may happen in Homestuck next. Going through it, I find that it's not only not contradicted by the little events, but supported by them.

Gonna spoiler it for now just in case people don't wanna see it or something.

Let us consider Bec for a moment. It's pretty obvious at this point that the ectobiology station and the MEOW code combined will create Bec. Now, this is likely why the outer Gods were warning Rose. But, what makes Bec so dangerous? Simple, it's his seemingly limitless ability to bend the fabric of space to his very will. We've all see Jade's strife, we know what he is capable of. Now, we see Bec emerging from the meteor crash assumedly 413,000,000 years ago, the one that established the frog temple and the Lotus time capsule, same one we se in AR?'s recent pages. So, Bec being created there is basically a foregone conclusion. But, Bec's a good dog, best friend, right? Well, dogs are very loyal, obediant creatures. Consider for a moment.... if he h the ability to pretty much go anywhere, do anything, why stay on that island for 413,000,000 years? Maybe he was ordered to. Ordered to stay, ordered to protect the girl, make sure she enters the medium, and, the important part, and the center of my theory, prototype himself to Jade's kernel sprite before she does enter.

But, Bec is a good dog! Why would this matter? Wouldn't it give Jade one fuckin' kick-ass kernel sprite? Yep. It'd also prototype the fourth prototype with Bec. Now, from Dave's prototyping, we see that the additions the imps get and the rings/scepters give are in fact functional. Dave had flying basilisks and Jack flew around and used his abdomen sword like it was no thang. So, prototyping Bec may in fact give thee imps and Jack his space warping ability, a very, VERY dangerous thing.

Why would he want it? Well, consider that when he killed the queen, he didn't neccesarily do it for the power. he did it because all the silly outfits made him snap. He just saw the ring lying there, and decided 'hmmm...'. Afterwards is when he decided he wanted more power that the rings and scepters could give, and started to take him by force. But, there's only so much this one session can give. But, with the ability to manipulate space, he could theoretically start invading other mediums...

Such as the ones the trolls inhabit. Now, in conversations with the trolls, the kids game got fucked up so bad that THEY are in mortal peril, despite being in a distinct, seperate, isolated session. The best explination is if a force from the kids session somehow breaks into thiers. Which is what I believe Jack will do. And when he's there, he'll just go ahead and reinitiate the reckoning once again. Not because he has any stake in that medium any more, but because it's the best way to kill off anything that may potentially rise up against him. i mean, if he's able to hop betwen mediums, others may be able to develop the ability to do so utilizing Veil technology. I mean, the trolls did manae to set up a communication system to another session.

Hey, didn't WV get exiled eventually, and didn't he initially start off rising up against the black king?

But wait, wouldn't Jade know bout this? Well, for one thing I dont think she's able to change the timeline, only enable it. And secondly, well, it's been mentioned that Bec is invisible to Jade's ability to see the future. Now, I asume this is the uture relative to her, and would thus block out her ability to see Bec's birth as well, making the earliest point in his past she can see is his arrival on Earth.

also, why would the gods say it's only dangerous now, and not in the dead timeline Davesprite and Dream Rose are from? Well, with John dead, it beame impossible for Jade to enter. The only thing the code could do then is create a very powerful dog. That is, if John being dead didn't also cause the timeline to change and Nanna and Grampa Harley to arrive on the planet. Point is, Bec couldn't be prototyped, giving Jack his powers.

AR? will likely enter the second seed for the Lotus time capsule. He ends up there in the frog temple SOMEHOW, after all. Also, it's been shown he has a fear of Bec . Likely, something will happen in the Medium frog temple with Bec that will either cause him to seek shelter in the time capsule, or get thrown in there.

Now, one last thing to consider, and this is the shakiest and most speculative half-theory. Dave, Rose, and Jade all ended up on Earth within DAYS of each other. But John arrived four and a half months later. Not only that, but there's an odd gap between the day Jade and the day Dave arrived. Now, in a comic that is as detail oriented as Homestuck is, this probably shouldn't be easily dismissed. Especially not since it was brought up again very recently, when we saw the actual meteors come down. So, there is likely a very important reason baby John was delayed. Just something to keep in mind for the future.

Dear lord that is a lot of gray lines, a lot of words. Anyway, I'm not saying it's definately going to happen, it's just that... everything just slid into this theory so nicely, everything frames it up so prettily that I t least had to share it, and have strong convictions about it.
But hey, Hussies done the completely unexpected (and completely awesome) before.

But seriously, it took me a lot of effort to not just yell out "GOD DAMN YOU, HUSSIE!" on the bus after the buspiphany. (Likely bad bad things would have happened if I did)

[Grimpond]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk282/lordofchaos34/ATDREAMSELF.gif

Ahahahaha, this is so great.

[Flarecobra]

Wonder how many people will be making that their avatar....Or making their own versions.

[katiuska]

I was gonna say, "At least one," but that image does not scale down well.

[snip]

That's an interesting thought. It makes some sense, though frankly, I'm not convinced the trolls didn't screw up their own session. I just have a hard time buying their claims to their superiority, but I don't know, clearly the kids do something to effect them. They've been pretty haphazard about the whole game, so I guess that doesn't reflect so well on Team Earth, I just don't picture the trolls as having been any different.

[POS Industries]

Well, considering the recent reveal that the trolls' dream selves were killed in their session (which explains the dark circles under their eyes if such an occurrence had the unfortunate result of making them unable to sleep), it's entirely probable that their playthrough wasn't particularly ideal.

However, whatever the trolls did was clearly nowhere near as catastrophic as what the kids' session is leading to, and I suspect Mike is probably not too far off in his suspicions. It would appear, at least to me, that whatever is currently happening my essentially result in the end of the Sburb cycle altogether. This may end up being the last game, and whether "last game" means the end of all existence or not may be the only thing left for the kids to save at the end.

We know that taking Snowman out of existence apparently ends the universe, which is something that Spades Slick was wise enough to avoid. The younger and possibly less wise Jack Noir, however, may not be aware of such pitfalls in the game's mechanics and the genetic coding used to create Bec may have also been the key to Snowman's own reality warping capabilities, which means that Jack could quite stupidly be about to tear the entire universe down to nothing if he comes into possession of such power.

[katiuska]

(which explains the dark circles under their eyes if such an occurrence had the unfortunate result of making them unable to sleep)

Well, cG has dark circles when Spades Slick talks to him (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003255) (presumably at some point during the game), so I guess it depends on when it happened. I don't think it's possible for their session to have been as disastrous as the kids', but dramatically, their constant gabbing about how awesome they are as players makes me doubt it's the whole story.

[Mike McC]

The trolls succeeded at thier game, however. With the help of thier Jack, they exiled thier black queen, and then they took down their black king.

And now something is reintroducing the danger.We know that taking Snowman out of existence apparently ends the universe, which is something that Spades Slick was wise enough to avoid.Hussie directly stated in the recap that Snowman got those powers at some point after being exiled.Another difference in the trolls' session is that at some point along the way, the Black Queen was also exiled, later joined a rival gang called The Felt, assumed special powers that make her highly inadvisable to kill, and came to be known as Snowman.

[POS Industries]

The trolls succeeded at thier game, however. With the help of thier Jack, they exiled thier black queen, and then they took down their black king.

And now something is reintroducing the danger.
Just because they beat the game doesn't mean they beat it perfectly. It's seems likely that they may have just barely gotten by and had to lose a lot in the process due to one or more major mistakes on their part.

Hussie directly stated in the recap that Snowman got those powers at some point after being exiled.
And someone acquiring those powers before being exiled would be a major game changer, wouldn't it?

[katiuska]

The trolls succeeded at thier game, however. With the help of thier Jack, they exiled thier black queen, and then they took down their black king.

We don't know that they actually beat the game, or beat it perfectly, unless killing the black king is the only condition for winning. Just because it's over doesn't mean they did it all right. The thing is, without a reference point, it's hard to tell if being stuck in the veil is something that's "supposed" to happen (sort of like , something they did to themselves, or somehow a consequence. (Granted, the first option is likely enough--after all, where the hell are they going to go? There's not much left to return to.)

EDIT: Ninja'd.

EDIT2: I guess I'm imagining something like any "bad" ending of a game where you technically finish, but you fail to meet all the conditions for the best-case scenario.

[Loyal]

Re: [S] Descend.

Hooooly shit. If we ever thought the kids were getting too powerful, we still got Bro and Jack Noir to put us in our place.

Poor Jade.

[Flarecobra]

And lil' Bec was just too cute. And powerful even after being born.

[Grimpond]

All I have to say is WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[Kim]

SO SAD

[Bard The 5th LW]

Incredible, awesome, terrifying, and depressing. All at the same time.