Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[synkr0nized]

synk, they already have Pesterchum (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mspaforums.com%2Fshowthread.p hp%3F30473-DEPRECATED-Pesterchum-2.0-TinyChum-1.4b&rct=j&q=pesterchum&ei=hAFhTrS8CImesQKuq535Dw&usg=AFQjCNEQQPbqPEsUlmDmCDfBvno4wqzUiw&cad=rja)

I know. But that's stupid; I don't need an additional network/service. And it clashes with the reskin idea. I meant that to be like when they re-release game consoles or whatever as special editions that just have different cases and maybe come with the game in question pre-installed.



In any case, I can't see my friends when I am trolling chatting with them over IM, and this cannot stand.


Plus I want an excuse to try to justify buying an iPad.

[BitVyper]

A Pesterchum app is a pretty shitty excuse.

[synkr0nized]

Perhaps you glossed over the fact that it would be a reskin of an actually useful application and just one part of the idea.

And that this is far too many posts in response to a joke.

[Locke cole]

So, it's a refusal to do another recap, followed by a new "panel not done" joke? That's what I gathered.

[Aldurin]

So it looks like we won't get a flash until sometime in October, if we're lucky. I guess it is time to reread all 6000 pages of Homestuck.

[Kim]

I have no words...

http://ib.skaia.net/image/12746.jpg

[BitVyper]

So after two years of badgering, I finally got a friend of mine to read Homestuck. Today she hit the troll arc, and sent me this message:

"ee, all of her cats have two faces! she's gonna love Vodka Mutini if she gets to meet him"

That's just..... what do you even SAY, man.

[Arhra]

So after two years of badgering, I finally got a friend of mine to read Homestuck. Today she hit the troll arc, and sent me this message:

"ee, all of her cats have two faces! she's gonna love Vodka Mutini if she gets to meet him"

That's just..... what do you even SAY, man.

"She's dead, Jim."

And that picture shoud totally have been titled Cagestuck.

Possibly Homecaged?

[Art of Hilt]

So after two years of badgering, I finally got a friend of mine to read Homestuck. Today she hit the troll arc, and sent me this message:

"ee, all of her cats have two faces! she's gonna love Vodka Mutini if she gets to meet him"

That's just..... what do you even SAY, man.

Just nod and smile.
"Yes, Pounce is an adorable lusus cat. Did you know she was named after some dude who looked for the Fountain of Youth?"
Nod. Smile.
Everything is okay.

[Kim]

So an artist I found on Tumblr who is doing an EXCELLENT Karkat x John comic called FLUSH is also working on a Homestuck AU story. I thought the art was pretty aces so here's a John pic and a Karkat pic.

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/10025198323/1/tumblr_lraj833D5S1qjr340

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/10027679842/1/tumblr_lrao8f0XW11qjr340

[Locke cole]

...What sort of AU? I can't infer much from their outfits...

[Kim]

Tribal themed. It's gonna be called Tribalstuck. It's gonna be yaoi, but characters other than Karkat and John will feature in the story as well. Apparently they plan on including most of the cast. What I've heard of the story reminds me of a yaoi manga called Wild Rock. So fairly cliche, but the dude's a great artist and hey I like Homestuck slash so whatevs.

[Locke cole]

But John is not a homosexual.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh hush

[Revising Ocelot]

Fanfiction

[Kim]

But John is not a homosexual.

I find it more than a little ridiculous that you can see the whole spiel about how it's a tribal themed alternate universe, but the part you take issue with is John being gay in this AU. John and Karkat in tribal getups? Don't even bat an eyelash, because after all it's an alternate universe. But John liking penises? DEAR GOD

[Revising Ocelot]

I find it more than a little ridiculous that you can see the whole spiel about how it's a tribal themed alternate universe, but the part you take issue with is John being gay in this AU. John and Karkat in tribal getups? Don't even bat an eyelash, because after all it's an alternate universe. But John liking penises? DEAR GOD

He's not being serious - well, I'm inferring that from the John quote which 80% of fanfiction disregards in the first place. The 20% being Vriska/Rose stuff. Heh.

Controversy isn't fun unless it's about Vriska :(

[Kim]

He's not being serious. That's a John quote.

I am aware.

Except this is the second time in three pages that he's made this "joke."

Repetition of a joke does not increase its humor value, and dedication to that joke implies a certain degree of agreement with that joke.

I'm inferring that from the John quote which 80% of fanfiction disregards in the first place.

Most of the better ones I've read actually take it into account. The bad ones would be bad regardless of if they took it into account.

[Revising Ocelot]

No. This line of discussion is now about HOW WE HATE VRISKA FOREVER.

[Kim]

I can't hate a dead person.

[Revising Ocelot]

http://www.wowpedia.org/images/f/f6/BTNNecromancer.png

I love the dead... frequently.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I love Vriska.
I know she's dead but that doesn't bother me.

EDIT: Damn, RO, you beat me to it!

[BitVyper]

Repetition of a joke does not increase its humor value, and dedication to that joke implies a certain degree of agreement with that joke.

Y'know, I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt after he referenced the line twice. That's not exactly overdoing it.

[Revising Ocelot]

We're talking about Vriska!

[BitVyper]

Oh yeah, 'cause talking about Vriska always turns out for the best.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

It does, she's dead now. There can be necrophilia jokes. What's not to love?

Click here for the answer, it may surprise you. -> The living

[Aldurin]

But it sounds like as though this whole session is one giant elaborate doomed timeline (caused by Karkat's scientific laziness), and even if it isn't there's going to be some mind-blowing (or not really mind-blowing) way of bringing them back.

Point is, Vriska's dead for now.

[Kim]

Actually, I think Vriska ending up with Doomed Timeline John implies that they'll stay dead, and the dream bubbles are merely a method through which characters being dead isn't quite as awful as it might otherwise be.

[Revising Ocelot]

Oh yeah, 'cause talking about Vriska always turns out for the best.

That's the punchline. When a conflict starts arising, derail it into a bigger conflict!

[POS Industries]

Repetition of a joke does not increase its humor value
It's actually a pretty classic device. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_gag)

Also all slashfics are dumb forever anyway. I don't even care if it's a canon couple, it's still going to be balls-out retarded on principle.

[Bard The 5th LW]

All ships deserve equal treatment in my opinion.

[Marc v4.0]

I find it more than a little ridiculous that you can see the whole spiel about how it's a tribal themed alternate universe, but the part you take issue with is John being gay in this AU. John and Karkat in tribal getups? Don't even bat an eyelash, because after all it's an alternate universe. But John liking penises? DEAR GOD

We are allowed to be just as annoyed by someone -forcing- homosexuality on a character to fit their weird fetish just as much as you can be upset over someone -forcing- heterosexuality on a character to fit their insecurities.

Both are completely terrible and invalid. Fanfiction, as it is known by the shorter name.

Honestly, AU stuff can be really cool and nothing about tribal themed Homestuck seems uncool, but Fanfiction is notorious for FORCING Homosexual relationships on Heterosexual characters, and forcing -sexuality onto a character that is clearly exstablished as being a -sexual is just dumb no matter the direction.

[Kim]

I like how you keep using "forcing" with little emphasis marks to show how terrible it is that these two-dimensional, imaginary characters that are nothing more than products of someone's imagination, are being written differently according to the whim of a fanfiction author whose work you don't read.

Poor, poor, imaginary, non-existent, product of someone's imagination, written according to the whims of a particular author John.

I feel so bad for him.

[Geminex]

We are allowed to be just as annoyed by someone -forcing- homosexuality on a character to fit their weird fetish just as much as you can be upset over someone -forcing- heterosexuality on a character to fit their insecurities.


I get your point, but I'm p. sure that the only 'fetish' in play here is homosexuality, and when you categorize homosexuality as a fetish you might as well classify sexuality in its entirety as a fetish and we can go back to puritanism and have sex through boards with a hole in them and chastise ourselves for impure thoughts when we dare let it feel good.

And secondly while I get your point, I disagree with it. Nothing's being forced onto a character. An author's exploring a possible route the story could have taken. This particular style of fanfic explores a potential romantic relationship between two characters. Is it canon? No, of course not, in-canon one of these characters is heterosexual. Nobody's claiming otherwise. But Liz already made this point. Fanfiction alters things. It alters settings, it alters characters. You're not getting annoyed that homestuck is being "forced" into a tribal setting, are you? You clearly aren't. Whereas one would think that the tribal setting is a much more jarring change than one character's sexuality.

So what's wrong with John being a homosexual for the purposes of the story? As long as it's a good story. After all, nobody's forcing you to read it.

[Kim]

Geminex put it much better than I ever could.

If fanfiction changed nothing about the source material to tell a story it wouldn't be fanfiction.

It would be the source material.

[Marc v4.0]

^ I would considering it a fetish to re-write a characters to a sexuality of your liking because you like it, no matter the direction of change.

I wasn't refering to homosexuality as being a fetish, so lets cut that fucking bullshit off RIGHT HERE. Thanks.

Yeah, Nonsie, I consider it forcing and in poor taste to re-write a character to fit what YOU think it should be. Outside of the natural evolution of the character within the story to a certain veiwpoint/personality change/lifestyle alteration when you remove that character and start toying with what they have been built into because you have a fetish for poor writing and TRUE PARTNERS or whatever it gets meh. You might as well write a new story with original characters at that point, because they aren't who they were anymore.


Set pieces are set pieces, I still think altering setting and theme crosses into the "just write your own stuff" category, but it isn't as big a sticking point with me as the characters.

[Kim]

can you tell what I do for a living?Get pointlessly mad at fanfic writers? That's a pretty shit job.

Yeah, Nonsie, I consider it forcing and in poor taste to re-write a character to fit what YOU think it should be. Outside of the natural evolution of the character within the story to a certain veiwpoint/personality change/lifestyle alteration when you remove that character and start toying with what they have been built into because you have a fetish for poor writing and TRUE PARTNERS or whatever. You might as well write a new story with original characters at that point, because they aren't who they were anymore.How does changing the character differ from changing any other element of the story in awfulness?

[Marc v4.0]

It is just as bad, I just have a pet peeve about characters.

They rank on the same tier, Characters just has an asterisk next to it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its a fanfic, canon matters slightly less in those.

[Kim]

disagreement = mad. trolololol

Don't accuse me of trolling just because I think your posts read as pissed off.

It is just as bad, I just have a pet peeve about characters.

They rank on the same tier, Characters just has an asterisk next to it.

Why do you even care?

[Marc v4.0]

Its a fanfic, canon matters slightly less in those.

And I think they are mostly crap and avoid them on a whole because of it. They aren't my thing, 99% because people love to fuck around with the characters too much to make it worth my time.


EDIT: I care because it was the topic at hand, I had an opinion on it that is just as valid to express as anyone elses, this is a forum for talking about shit that we have opinions to express about, and you pulled that "OMG YOU TALKED BAD ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS" Card and I wanted to point out that is pretty damn ridiculous

[Locke cole]

I am aware.

Except this is the second time in three pages that he's made this "joke."

Repetition of a joke does not increase its humor value, and dedication to that joke implies a certain degree of agreement with that joke.


Wait, it's only been 3 pages since I quoted that line? I coulda sworn it'd been at least a week or more since that even came up. Like, I thought that if I made it any more blatant it'd be unfunny, and that if I made it less blatant, nobody would get that I was quoting to be funny.

Huh.

Well, all I can tell you is that it really is just me quoting a line for humor value. It's about as serious as any time I quote the line "addiction is a powerful thing".

I quite honestly thought that the only way I could make the joke more blatant would be to add a ™ after the line.

[Aldurin]

Will you guys keep this up until the flash update? This will make things less boring.

[Kim]

I care because it was the topic at hand, I had an opinion on it that is just as valid to express as anyone elses, this is a forum for talking about shit that we have opinions to express about

I'm not asking why you're expressing your opinion. I'm asking why you care. Those are two different things.

you pulled that "OMG YOU TALKED BAD ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS" Card and I wanted to point out that is pretty damn ridiculous

No I didn't.

[Locke cole]

Actually, can we not? I feel horrified to have caused this kinda argument by throwing out the quote in the first place. I wish I had stayed on this forum for more of the day, so that I could've defused this. To be completely clear, I like the outfits, I think a tribal AU is interesting, and I'm fine with it being a slashfic. I pulled out the line because it was, in my opportunity, the perfect moment for it. I'm fine with just about any fic or drawing, so long as it isn't smut.

Like, I'm frickin' Doctor Frankenstein over here, and this argument is Adam. I leave it to you to figure out who Elizabeth is in this tortured metaphor.

[Kim]

Actually, can we not? I feel horrified to have caused this kinda argument by throwing out the quote in the first place.

Like, I'm frickin' Doctor Frankenstein over here, and this argument is Adam. I leave it to you to figure out who Elizabeth is in this tortured metaphor.

I haven't read Frankenstein.

WHAT NOW

[Marc v4.0]

Ok, sure.

Well, why do you care? Why I am expressing my opinion is WHY I care to express it. It was the topic, I had an opinion about it.

I'm not giving you a dissertation on the deep and meaningful WHY of Marc.


EDIT:

I haven't read Frankenstein.

WHAT NOW

HAHAHA, NOR HAVE I!

DOUBLE EDIT:

I missed it, but "Y U so Mad??" is the universal troll quip of the internet when in a disagreement to try and put the other party on the defensive and stutter their point. Read whatever tone you want it to be, I'm just having a conversation about a difference of opinions.

[Locke cole]

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Kim]

Ok, sure.

Well, why do you care? Why I am expressing my opinion is WHY I care to express it. It was the topic, I had an opinion about it.

I'm not giving you a dissertation on the deep and meaningful WHY of Marc.

...That's not the same thing.

I missed it, but "Y U so Mad??" is the universal troll quip of the internet when in a disagreement to try and put the other party on the defensive and stutter their point. Read whatever tone you want it to be, I'm just having a conversation about a different of opinions.

Wheeeee justifying your misinterpretation of my misinterpretation of your statement~

Shame there isn't a rule against calling people trolls. We should get one.

[Locke cole]

I need to start intentionally mixing internet trolls with Homestuck trolls, and start calling internet attention-seekers "aliens".

Back to the metaphor, I'm actually not sure what Elizabeth would be. What, in this situation, would equate with Frankenstein's (my) wife that the creature (this argument) strangles to death on my wedding night?

[Marc v4.0]

I saw new posts, I read them, I thought "Hey, I have an opinion on all of this, might as well participate" and then I did. What else do you want to know?

It would be relevant if I actually called you a troll, which I would have if I thought you were. The statement itself carries a pretty recognizable troll funk, though. Someone might think you were attempting just that if they were inclinded to see it.

EDIT: Locke, your attempts to change the subject might qualify if they don't take hold

[Kim]

Marc.

Marc is your wife.

It's my Frankenstein x NPF crossover slashfic.

[Marc v4.0]

Well I'm not a character, so you're just like anyone else that has homo-necro fantasies about me and popular fiction characters.

[Kim]

Well I'm not a character

NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE YOU AREN'T

[Marc v4.0]

If the conversations were relevant, we wouldn't be having them on NPF.

[rpgdemon]

So what's wrong with John being a homosexual for the purposes of the story?

I dunno, but a slashfic about 13 year olds sounds a lot like pedophilia.

I mean, that alone seems reason enough against making slashfics of Homestuck. Yaoi or not.

[Kim]

I dunno, but a slashfic about 13 year olds sounds a lot like pedophilia.

I mean, that alone seems reason enough against making slashfics of Homestuck. Yaoi or not.

I think it's safe to assume that I wouldn't be supporting said slashfics if I felt they were depicting the characters as age thirteen. The ones I read generally depict them as older, and the ones I like where the age is more dubious aren't really sexual in nature. Shipping isn't inherently sexual. Sometimes it's just cute romance, which makes me happy and smiley and shit.

[akaSM]

Well I'm not a character, so you're just like anyone else that has homo-necro fantasies about me and popular fiction characters.

Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa7O8juc44k)

[rpgdemon]

I think it's safe to assume that I wouldn't be supporting said slashfics if I felt they were depicting the characters as age thirteen. The ones I read generally depict them as older, and the ones I like where the age is more dubious aren't really sexual in nature. Shipping isn't inherently sexual. Sometimes it's just cute romance, which makes me happy and smiley and shit.

Yeah, reading that again at not-3 AM makes it sound a lot more offensive than I had intended.

My main problem with taking John and deciding he's gay isn't that he's gay, but that they felt the need to change that aspect of him. Like, imagine you had a Yaoi fanfiction, where they took the leads and then decided that they all deserved heterosexual marriages, and despite the best attempts of their old love interest, no way would they want that, since this woman has seduced them into thinking that heterosexual is the way to go.

You'd dislike that, I assume. It's the same grounds if Karkat seduces John into thinking homosexuality is the way to go.

[Kim]

Good thing I have literally not read a single one where that has happened.

Additionally, in yaoi the *point* is that all the characters are gay and want to sleep with each other.

The point of MSPA is not John wanting to sleep with girls. In fact, he hasn't really seemed to consider romance stuff at all, except to the extent that others brought it up.

[Locke cole]

I could bring this full circle, but I feel that'd just extend this. Is there any chance of this ending if I apologize for my reckless abuse of memes? Or if I promise to not use that particular meme again?

[Intern Nin]

No. There is no escape. This is your punishment. This is your eternity.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The kid is only 13, I imagine he has time to consider his options be it guy or gal.

[Kim]

The kid is only 13, I imagine he has time to consider his options be it guy or gal.

That's the reasoning most people use. Also closeted/in denial for various reasons. Plus, I'm also one of the people who don't think sexuality is strictly permanent. It is for some people. It isn't for others. I don't think there are necessarily rules.

I could bring this full circle, but I feel that'd just extend this. Is there any chance of this ending if I apologize for my reckless abuse of memes? Or if I promise to not use that particular meme again?

I stopped caring earlier, but then people kept talking about it! I'm sorry!

[Locke cole]

...I already miss the discipline broom.

[Kim]

...I already miss the discipline broom.

I've got lots of other discipline tools we can try out... ;D

[Overcast]

Hmm I wondered how I missed 416 pages of Liz hitting on men in the forum. This be foolish.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm writing all of you into COMCOL as Black Mage's Mangina harem.

[Locke cole]

"COMCOL"?

[Loyal]

You've been here for six years and you don't know Colors of Magic; Colors of Love?

[Locke cole]

Ah, right.

I slipped up on the acronym, but I know exactly what you're talking about when you say the full title.

[Fifthfiend]

"COMCOL"?

Fuck you you're outta the harem.

[Locke cole]

Hey man, I forgot an acronym. Whatever.

[POS Industries]

Eh, what the hell, I'll post it here, too:

This month's issue of Batwoman had some special guests! (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1155248#post1155248)

[Locke cole]

What's Mysterio doing in a DC title?

No, but seriously, that's interesting...

[Pip Boy]

Where IS CoM:CoL now anyway? I haven't seen it in ages.

[Ecks]

It has been some time. I didn't know it was still being written since 8BT ended. Is that a thing we're still doing?

[CelesJessa]

There's a preview of the End of Act 5 flash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFJUa31fVHw&feature=player_embedded)

[Fifthfiend]

Where IS CoM:CoL now anyway? I haven't seen it in ages.

It exists where it always existed:

Inside you

[Aldurin]

There's a preview of the End of Act 5 flash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFJUa31fVHw&feature=player_embedded)

ALL of the miracles up in that bitch. ALL OF THEM.

[Locke cole]

Every. Pant.

[Revising Ocelot]

Hussie put 35% on his Twitter. Some kind of tax rate?

[Viridis]

Hussie put 35% on his Twitter. Some kind of tax rate?

Check the homepage.
EOA PROGRESS
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2383368/EOAprogress.gif


Posted on 21 Sept. 2011 by Andrew

^^^ There is a crude progress bar indicating the animation's state of completion, which I may or may not forget to update as I continue to trudge across the Flash timeline. Check back routinely to see if I remembered! It may very well have advanced to the right by several pixels.

Only now, a month into this dreadful content drought, have I begun to achieve what vaguely resembles a stride with this thing. This achievement coincides impeccably with a variety of flu-like symptoms. The invading organisms believe they can slow me down, but they're wrong. I am smarter than all of them combined, and literally a trillion times bigger. There is no contest, really.

We have new products to sell in the WP store. Oh god, you are going to want them. You will want them, and they will disappear from the store faster than anyone can believe. But I will not sell them just yet.

We're fixing some things first. We are getting a few more people on board to ship things, such that they may arrive faster. And getting a better customer support system. We used to have a very shitty support system in place, so naturally we decided to upgrade to an even shittier system. To my understanding, it is currently the software equivalent of writing your query down on a slip of paper, and tucking it under your pillow. So please stay tuned for a new system that hopefully will not hinge on the reliability of nocturnal fairies.

[Revising Ocelot]

Pft, that's a lie. Hussie's operating on ValveTime™.

[Locke cole]

Don't even joke about ValveTime.

Besides. If he was operating on ValveTime, we'd still be in Act 2.

Or, perhaps, Act 2: Act 2: Act 2: [etc]

[POS Industries]

You mean "Act 5, Part 2" isn't ValveTime enough for you?

[Ecks]

You do NOT talk about ValveTime.

YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT VALVE. FUCKING. TIME.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I have clearly ignored Skaianet for far too long. (http://ib.skaia.net/image/13063.png)

On another note, totally going to pick up the Hero of Time shirt when it gets out, which is hopefully soon.

[Loyal]

To be fair, Skaianet was down until recently.

[POS Industries]

H3Y NPF 1S TH1S YOU? >:] (http://www.queerty.com/study-64-percent-of-gay-kids-dont-care-if-you-call-them-a-fag-online-20110921/)

[Bard The 5th LW]

Ironic coolkid pictures are the new planking

[Grimpond]

H3Y NPF 1S TH1S YOU? >:] (http://www.queerty.com/study-64-percent-of-gay-kids-dont-care-if-you-call-them-a-fag-online-20110921/)

sweet jegus that was good

[Fifthfiend]

You mean "Act 5, Part 2" isn't ValveTime enough for you?

http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/valve-count.jpg

[Loyal]

That article was so beautiful. Just... wow.

[Solid Snake]

H3Y NPF 1S TH1S YOU? >:] (http://www.queerty.com/study-64-percent-of-gay-kids-dont-care-if-you-call-them-a-fag-online-20110921/)

There appear to be constant references to a picture but all I see is the photo of a...police officer looking dude who does not resemble Dave Strider

[Locke cole]

He um... it used to be a guy costumed as Dave. It ain't anymore...

[Solid Snake]

He um... it used to be a guy costumed as Dave. It ain't anymore...

...Missing out on seeing the image strips the jokes of its context!!! (Nnnnnooooo)

EDIT: Oh God it actually reaches a point where another completely unrelated fandom gets in the quotations and it just so happens to be Friendship is Magic
It's like the internet loves me

[POS Industries]

There appear to be constant references to a picture but all I see is the photo of a...police officer looking dude who does not resemble Dave Strider
Originally they had used a picture of this young man (http://xxcheckeredxroxasxx.deviantart.com/).

Without his permission.

Also he's not exactly gay, either, as it turns out.

[Loyal]

'Nother SBaHJ up. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=036.jpg)

I reeeeally hope "gray mutant penis" doesn't become a relevant phrase in Homestuck proper. But I don't have my hopes up. It seems like the sort of thing that might come up if, for instance, Rose ever got an opportunity to psychoanalyze Dave again.

[Arcanum]

The squirrel represents Hussie, and Sweet Bro is the fandom. Hussie just sits there doing nothing, and the fandom keeps throwing money at him. And Jeromy is the part of the fandom that is just along for the ride.

[Art of Hilt]

I reeeeally hope "gray mutant penis" doesn't become a relevant phrase in Homestuck proper.

We are two very different people.

[Pip Boy]

'Nother SBaHJ up. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=036.jpg)

I reeeeally hope "gray mutant penis" doesn't become a relevant phrase in Homestuck proper. But I don't have my hopes up. It seems like the sort of thing that might come up if, for instance, Rose ever got an opportunity to psychoanalyze Dave again.

Naah, it just means we're about to see some cannon troll 34.

[Solid Snake]

I just really hope the gag incorporates one of the kids (presumably Jade or, if you're reading yaoi fanfiction lately, John) typing "Karkat? Who gives a fuck about that troll and his HUGE PANTS and his GREY MUTANT PENIS"

...And then the perspective switches to a close-up of Karkat and a single tear is dropping down his face.

It writes itself, everyone

[BitVyper]

The way I see it, the elephant is Gamzee, the squirrel is Terezi, Jeff (or red shirt dude, whatever) is Karkat, and Bro (or blue shirt, again whatever) is more obviously, Dave. Gamzee doesn't communicate his emotional state well due to either being too chill, or too psychotic, so I think this is illustrating what happened there a little bit... well I'm not gonna say more clearly, but differently, at any rate. Karkat was distracted by other things (notably Dave and Terezi getting under his skin) to the point of ignoring his relationship (Moiraillegiance, so we're clear) with Gamzee, who has been dealing with the same growing-up shit that everyone else has, but alone due to his inability to really express himself, and Karkat's effective absence (notably, a big part of his shit-flipping involves painting, which is itself an expressive endeavor). Plus he's more or less genetically predestined for psychosis. This left him pretty isolated when some earthshattering things happened, so he flipped his shit.

Basically I think the interaction between the elephant and Jeff is giving some insight into how Gamzee perceived what was going on between him and Karkat. Bro and the squirrel I think are mostly there to provide a clear temporal reference point, so we know the past is being discussed rather than the present or future, but also so that Jeff's focus can be diverted to them from the elephant.

Edit: And this tells us a little bit more about the Highblood caste (calling them this 'cause they're the only ones who've been referred to as such). Possibly starts to explain why they seem to be nutjobs in general.

[Revising Ocelot]

That lil' progress bar says 50% now.

In true Windows fashion, I expect Hussie's PC to meltdown (three times) at 80%. Then revert to 25%.

[Solid Snake]

Does...
Does Homestuck still exist, guys

[Aldurin]

yeah, it's at 66% done for the EoA 5.

[Solid Snake]

I'm asking because I literally reached a point where I forgot it existed
That's kind of sad really

[Aldurin]

It is, I've been completely forgetting about it when I do my daily webcomic check.

[POS Industries]

Ideally, Hussie really should have waited until he'd updated again to put new merch on sale, if nothing else.

Also ideally this would have gone a lot faster if he weren't apparently devoting a fair portion of his time to trying to convert a narrative that only really works on an internet medium into a book.

Also also FUN FACT: In two weeks it will have been a year since the last time John and Dave interacted!

[Solid Snake]

Also also FUN FACT: In two weeks it will have been a year since the last time John and Dave interacted!

It is absolutely ridiculous how despite that apparently being true my most vivid Homestuck memories are almost all John and Dave interactions and it is ludicrously easy to imagine them interacting
I suppose that's a testament to what Hussie did with those characters back in the day

But to be completely and utterly honest I think Hussie's way overshooting the mark on these End of Act shenanigans. At this rate he'll turn the final flash to end Homestuck with into some insurmountably large and complex project. It's not like any of the earlier (even pre-Descend) flashes were terrible, they were fucking awesome.

He's killing all the momentum Homestuck had and dealing a blow to the breadth of his fanbase by taking so long on something that will inevitably disappoint despite being better than every other previous Flash simply because our expectations are going to skyrocket into unrealistic territory having waited this long

[POS Industries]

Well, it'll certainly be the longest flash we've ever had, but that won't make it the best.

I mean, it's been a couple years now and he still hasn't managed to surpass [S]: Enter, not that he hasn't come close.

[Solid Snake]

Well, it'll certainly be the longest flash we've ever had, but that won't make it the best.

I mean, it's been a couple years now and he still hasn't managed to surpass [S]: Enter, not that he hasn't come close.

[S] Enter was great and all, but I think the music really made it, that 'Jungle' Sburb tune was fucking awesome.

I can't recall which Flash is actually my favorite, honestly. I know so much less than I knew about Homestuck on October 6th last year, just because I haven't really been keeping up with things as I should.

[Aldurin]

I'd have to say my favorite flashes are a tie between EoA 4 and the one where Jack rapes the battlefield, mostly because both had that feel of a truly interactive video game that we would love to play despite it destroying the world.

[POS Industries]

I can't recall which Flash is actually my favorite, honestly.
I've had it all figured out for a while now, myself. In fact, I can list my top six in descending order, no pun intended.

Enter
Jade: Enter
Jack: Ascend
Dave: Accelerate
Seer: Descend
Descend

Honestly, the last two were a bit difficult to decide between, as I'm typically given to rate cinematics above walkarounds (which is a bit silly when you consider that walkarounds probably take more effort to produce, but I can't help but feel like the walkaround is a clunkier method of presentation overall), but I feel as though Seer: Descend had a fair bit more emotional gravity. Also I prefer original music to medleys.

It's also worth noting that all but one of those star the kids (and none of them star the trolls). While I admit to a personal bias toward scenes involving the actual main fucking characters of the story, I also only feel that the trolls have had only one good cinematic flash to themselves, that obviously being Make Her Pay (which, incidentally, would probably rank below Descend as my seventh favorite, but I was only going to do a top five here and six was already an internal compromise on my part). That said, the troll walkarounds were great, but even then just weren't as good as the one starring one of the kids.

It's almost like a story is more enjoyable when not focusing primarily on side characters! How crazy is that?

Also if Hussie hadn't been a lazy ass and made a flash for the Rose/Jack fight, it would have probably catapulted to #1, but he didn't so it didn't.

[Solid Snake]

Mostly agree regarding the kids and the trolls. Although I actually think the problem with the Trolls wasn't so much that they usurped too much of the story, but rather that only about half of the trolls merited existence. Like, Karkat is an amazing character, I'd say he and a few other trolls rival the Kids in value to Homestuck's narrative, but that can't be said for every troll and too many ancillary trolls received too much screentime.

I think I would have preferred either the idea of 6 or 8 as opposed to 12 total trolls, or, if Hussie really wanted to keep the Zodiac references, introducing twelve total trolls in Hivebent but then killing off X percentage of them before their own session's story ended. And this isn't just typical Snake Vriska-hate; I'm cognizant of the fact that Vriska would be the one of trolls who'd remain in the plot whether I liked it or not.

But really, characters like Equius and Nepeta and Feferi haven't added much value for the time they've taken to develop in the story, and other characters like Eridan and even Tavros (if Tavros was not formerly introduced as speaking with the kids) could have been prime candidates for "present in Hivebent, but did their grimdark betrayal / ineffective challenger to Vriska godmode shit and paid with their lives before facing the Black King" material.

Really, the trolls worth following were Vriska (sadly), Karkat, Kanaya, Terezi, Aradia and maybe Gamzee, although even Gamzee's storyline really only applies to the trolls themselves so he's actually more ancillary than he appears unless Hussie actually wasn't kidding with his "most important character in Homestuck" title. Maybe Sollux, too, insofar as he's still alive and maybe he'll end up meaning something. I know there's some leeway for the other characters to influence things while "dead," but even still, the other trolls were mostly filler.

(Superbly written filler is still filler. The best written scenes and truly multidimensional, likable characters in some movies can still be completely unnecessary if their presence adds little value to the plotline.)

On their own, they're fine characters because Hussie generally doesn't write bad ones, but I wish Andrew just streamlined Homestuck a tad more and cut out a bit more fluff. I'd gladly lose a fun yet inconsequential character like Equius if it meant a faster, more concise, better flowing narrative that kept the emphasis on the kids and let John, Dave, Rose and Jade actually retain some degree of the spotlight in Act 5.

I fully expect most of you to disagree, by the way.

EDIT: Also, I think my favorite flash, if it counts, has to be the semi-interactive one where Jade teleports everywhere and runs into Dave while fighting an Imp with pseudo-Bec powers.
The music was a factor, yeah, but I just loved the whole concept, and Dave's appearance was just the "Woah" moment that iced it for me. I remember it putting a smile on my face as I was studying for one of the hardest finals I took fall semester last year, which was worth something. Probably around the height of my Homestuck fanboyism, not long before the Grimdark twists and a certain (ultimately retracted) death sequence that kind of began an unraveling for me.

[POS Industries]

I more or less agree overall. Hivebent took a long time telling us stuff that, while building on the background of the story, did little to actually surprise the reader. The only major twist was the reveal at the end of the universe-creating implications of the game, and it wasn't until afterward that any real conflict between the characters occurred (except for "Man, Vriska, what a bitch amirite?")

Things like Gamzee and Eridan going rogue, et al probably could have been better folded into their story, rather than having to stretch it into the point when we should have been focusing on the kids and further dominating the narrative.

Like, Karkat is an amazing character, I'd say he and a few other trolls rival the Kids in value to Homestuck's narrative
And even then, I don't necessarily think they should, at least not anywhere near the degree they have.

Like, Lando was introduced in Empire Strikes Back, where he had a relatively minor yet influential role in the story, then in Return of the Jedi he had a much larger role but not in a way that detracted from the value of the main characters. But if Star Wars were like Homestuck, Return of the Jedi would have primarily been about Lando, with Luke and the others relegated to tertiary roles, barely seen unless either talking to Lando or discussing amongst themselves how wacky Lando is. Then eventually we'd learn that Lando's ancient ancestor was Darth Revan and that he's the most important figure in the fight against the Empire, leading the Rebellion to victory against the second Death Star despite Han and Leia utterly failing to bring down the shield generator and dying in the process while Luke mostly derps around on Degobah after Yoda died.

Also I guess Lando would probably scream at people more.

And Vriska is either Boba Fett or the Rancor depending on one's personal preferences.

EDIT: Wait no I've got it. Vriska is Boba Fett, Gamzee is the Rancor, and Eridan is the fat guy that cried after Luke killed it.

[Art of Hilt]

I don't think the main trolls are really as much of a minor character as that. Considering when most of the surviving trolls are actually introduced (Acts 3 and 4), I'd compare guys like Karkat and Kanaya to, like, Aragorn to the kids' various Hobbits.

[POS Industries]

Except Aragorn was introduced pretty early on in Fellowship of the Ring. He'd be Dave.

The trolls are more like Gollum.

[Locke cole]

Except Gollum were introduced in The Hobbit. As in, before almost anyone in LOTR.

Aragorn can still be Dave, though. If only for the fact that he calls himself "Strider".

[POS Industries]

Except Gollum were introduced in The Hobbit. As in, before almost anyone in LOTR.
He wasn't a major figure in it, though. He was basically in the story for all of 8 minutes as "crazy guy in a cave with an invisibility ring."

It was the event that truly set the stage for LOTR, yes, but it's not unlike how the trolls were introduced: as "crazy guys yelling at the kids over the internet." And, as it turns out, they were also the ones that set the stage for all the events that occurred in Homestuck.

The trolls are totally Gollum.

[Art of Hilt]

Except Aragorn was introduced pretty early on in Fellowship of the Ring.

So are the trolls. As in, Karkat, Kanaya, Tavros at the least are introduced in the first third of Homestuck.
Okay, so like, some quick maths:
The latest page is number 6000 in the URL.
The first page in Homestuck is 1901.
6000 - 1901 = 4099 total Homestuck pages.
Karkat is introduced in 2759 in the URL, and 2759 - 1901 = the 858th page in Homestuck. Kanaya, the second troll, was introduced in 2993 in the URL, and 2993 - 1901 = 1092th page in Homestuck.

Long story short, in the whole of Homestuck, the trolls are introduced around the ballpark of EEEHHHHH the first quarter of the story. Maybe even the first whatever smaller increment depending on how long Acts 6 and 7 are. I'm sure some maths can be used to guess at that but damn if the above isn't the whole extent of my abilities with numbers.

[POS Industries]

Yeah, but that doesn't work if the pagecount of Return of the King ends up being as much as the other two books combined.

I would argue that Acts 1 and 2 are Fellowship, 3 and 4 are Two Towers, and Act 5 is if Tolkein suddenly remembered he was getting paid by the word.

[Art of Hilt]

We haven't even seen the Land of Wind and Shade beyond John's house when those trolls were introduced.
A lot of the first three acts were just things getting set up. More so than the rest of the story.

[Kim]

If your first three acts are *just* setup, I'd say you've paced your story terribly.

[Art of Hilt]

The first three acts aren't even half the story.
They're pretty tiny acts.
Especially the first act, which is like, minuscule.
Honestly the act separations are pretty arbitrary.

[POS Industries]

Not really. They note major transitional events throughout the story. Their length has little to do with it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I personally consider Act 5 part 1 and part 2 to be separate Acts, if only because it makes the length seem a bit more reasonable.

My only real complaint about Homestuck's pacing insofar is Gamzee's arc. The rest were pretty tolerable, but Gamzee's was just too long considering the outcome. Especially the period between his appearance after Vriska's death and the 5x showdown. Overall, I liked his character and his plot line, but Hussie really should have condensed it.

[POS Industries]

Had it been up to me, Hivebent would have simply been "the Hivebent intermission" and Act 5 would have followed.

It's not as if the Midnight Crew intermission was "Act 4, Part 1."

[Art of Hilt]

What I mean is, they're not spread out in a way where saying "The first three acts are mostly set up" would also imply that they're poorly paced, which would be a more meaningful statement if we assume that all the acts are about equal in general. It's just that the major transitional events at those moments are comparatively minor to what happens later.

I mean, end of Act 1 is John entering the Medium. End of Act 2 is... uh... WV getting out of the desert? Along with the hint of a larger scope. By the end of Act 3 Rose finally enters the Medium and John is just about to actually find out what the name of his planet is. Things are barely starting and it's not even a third of the story.

Fellowship definitely stretches up to at least Act 3.

[POS Industries]

Fine, but if we make the trolls Gimli and Legolas (if we're going to be that insistent on point of entry into the story), then we're really giving them a downgrade in overall importance than being Gollum, aren't we?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Acts 1 - 3 are barely a 3rd of the story considering Act 5(s) is 1/2 the story.

[Art of Hilt]

I only said Aragorn.
Honestly I never got the point of Gimli and Legolas.
Were they supposed to be, like, token Dwarf and token Elf? I'm pretty sure that was their actual stated role in the story. Like the guy went, "WE NEED TOKEN DWARF AND TOKEN ELF TO REPRESENT RACIAL DIVERSITY. GIMLI AND LEGLOAS, STEP UP."

[POS Industries]

I only said Aragorn.
Yeah, but they ain't Aragorn.

[Art of Hilt]

They're more Aragorn than they are Lando or Gollum though.
To be clear we're not talking about ALL the trolls, right? Just the patron/important ones.

[POS Industries]

I'm talking all of them in general.

The Gollum comparison fits because they are so heavily important to the background of the story, came into the main tale itself later, and became hugely important at the end. The Lando comparison is showing how they should be handled versus how they actually are.

Karkat's been developed as much as he has because it's easier and more fun to write a character who yells and curses all the time than it is a sweet, derpy, naive little kid like John. And I like Karkat. Hell, I even usually find him more fun to read than I do John, but that's because his characterization allows someone like Hussie more room to breathe and entertain.

But he's still a side character.

[Fifthfiend]

Karkat is plainly Samwise.

[POS Industries]

Karkat is plainly Samwise.
Maybe if you're into slashfiction, sure.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I'm talking all of them in general.

The Gollum comparison fits because they are so heavily important to the background of the story, came into the main tale itself later, and became hugely important at the end. The Lando comparison is showing how they should be handled versus how they actually are.

Karkat's been developed as much as he has because it's easier and more fun to write a character who yells and curses all the time than it is a sweet, derpy, naive little kid like John. And I like Karkat. Hell, I even usually find him more fun to read than I do John, but that's because his characterization allows someone like Hussie more room to breathe and entertain.

But he's still a side character.

Does John really need to develop for the time being?
With the parallels between the two groups I kind of thought that John and the rest of the kids development would somehow come after their game was over, and somehow after changing the trolls for the better through their interactions the trolls would use their newfound perspective to help the kids.

[POS Industries]

If you aren't developing your main characters gradually throughout the story, you're doing it wrong.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

If you aren't developing your main characters gradually throughout the story, you're doing it wrong.

Well he's getting some and there's a lot more being set up, which is the case with almost all of them.

I just think it's all going to come to conclusion and realization after their game is over.

[Art of Hilt]

I'm talking all of them in general.


Huh.
I don't think I could ever do that. I can't put the patron trolls anywhere near the same level as, like, Eridan or Feferi.

The Gollum comparison fits because they are so heavily important to the background of the story, came into the main tale itself later, and became hugely important at the end. The Lando comparison is showing how they should be handled versus how they actually are.

Arguably the fact that they (patron trolls) are not being handled like Lando suggests that maybe they aren't supposed to be Lando.

I mean, are they (patron trolls) really side characters at this point? The story has put so much focus on them and introduced them so early that it doesn't feel like they're supposed to be regarded as side characters anymore. I mean, sure, the story starts off as being about four kids who play a game, but in reality it's turning out to be a multiuniversal story about players across a couple of sessions protecting existence against Jack Noir/Lord English/whatever. Even the special arbitrary story number, 413, got promoted to 1025 (= 413+612) ages ago. Everything is pretty much saying, "You see this small handful of trolls? The four or so out of twelve are main characters now."

You know how you mentioned making Hivebent an intermission? Maybe the fact that it isn't an intermission is indicative of how at least some of the characters in it are, in fact, characters who are on the level of needing their own proper act.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I don't really think John needs a huge amount of development slapped down his way. Like, growth sure, but he actually never struck me as someone who needed a great deal of development. I think that Characterization and Development been rather noticeable in the other kids though.

[Kim]

Grown ass men seriously discussion Homestuck

[Art of Hilt]

Grown ass men seriously discussion Homestuck

It's always possible to discuss it not-seriously.
IE, [your favorite character] is extremely poopy.
[Gender-appropriate pronoun] is poopy as ALL HELL

[POS Industries]

[your favorite character] is extremely poopy.
[Gender-appropriate pronoun] is poopy as ALL HELL
SO'S YOUR FACE!

:mad:

You know how you mentioned making Hivebent an intermission? Maybe the fact that it isn't an intermission is indicative of how at least some of the characters in it are, in fact, characters who are on the level of needing their own proper act.
That's my point, though. They shouldn't be, and in doing so has, in my opinion, been to the detriment of the story overall.

I don't really think John needs a huge amount of development slapped down his way. Like, growth sure, but he actually never struck me as someone who needed a great deal of development. I think that Characterization and Development been rather noticeable in the other kids though.
Growth is character development.

[Art of Hilt]

Oh yeah?
WELL IT'S OPPOSITE DAY

[POS Industries]

Oh... you... BASTARD!

[Ryong]

Remember when trolls were introduced and everyone hated them because they were just a bunch of new characters that didn't matter and only way to differentiate was because of their typing quirks, font color and two-letter handles?

Let's take that then do a small intermission and then have the trolls still interact with the kids and shit is happening with them that concerns the kids but you're never going to find out more than small bits of information.

Or we get to see more of the trolls and it turns out they have some decent characterization and development.

Shit, it's either that or people'd be going "I want to see more of the trolls, they actually didn't suck as much as I initially thought!".

[Revising Ocelot]

:ohdear:

The hiatus was going so well!

But now this topic has imploded. Exactly like the other two Homestuck topics I've seen on other forums! (But that's no excuse to start posting mountains of fanart like in those two)








http://oi52.tinypic.com/9fsc9s.jpg

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

http://oi52.tinypic.com/9fsc9s.jpg

My favorite part of that game was that you could run around using all manner of powers and drain only a portion of a battery. But punching a motherfucker in the face took a whole one.

[Krylo]

They had to do something to balance Jensen's mighty fists against his guns.

[rpgdemon]

Remember when trolls were introduced and everyone hated them because they were just a bunch of new characters that didn't matter and only way to differentiate was because of their typing quirks, font color and two-letter handles?

Let's take that then do a small intermission and then have the trolls still interact with the kids and shit is happening with them that concerns the kids but you're never going to find out more than small bits of information.

Or we get to see more of the trolls and it turns out they have some decent characterization and development.

Shit, it's either that or people'd be going "I want to see more of the trolls, they actually didn't suck as much as I initially thought!".

To be fair, they were in the beginning. Like, read back through to where Terezi is first introduced. She's not a character, she's not even Terezi. She's just a huge bitch.

[POS Industries]

But now this topic has imploded. Exactly like the other two Homestuck topics I've seen on other forums!
This is seriously the most civilized and reasonable implosion I've ever seen in my life.

[Solid Snake]

I am going to pretend to interpret this in such a way as to allow me to say "Now POS knows how I felt."

[Revising Ocelot]

This is seriously the most civilized and reasonable implosion I've ever seen in my life.

Hobbits got involved. Debauchery of the highest tier!

[POS Industries]

Hobbits got involved. Debauchery of the highest tier!
Hey, don't lay that on me, I was happy to stick with Star Wars.

[BitVyper]

So I had a random thought that is gonna sound completely ridiculous, but the more I look at it, the more I start to think I'm gonna look back on it later and realise it meant something. 'Cause it's Hussie and the more you examine Homestuck in retrospect, the more bits of writing you see on the wall. So I'm gonna put this to you guys, and hope we don't have to get bogged down in debating whether it means anything or not.

In the topbar bits where Aradia ran into what was presumably Lord English, there was that alt text with the huge flashing letters that are pretty distinct from anything else. If you look at those letters in the last one, the two with black faces are L and E: Lord English. That's simple enough.

I was going back through the comic today looking for the image of John holding his Vriskahoo hammer (if anyone has a link to that, I'd appreciate it), and I remembered this. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005627) The text flashes more slowly, but it's essentially the same stuff. I'm pretty sure that isn't the only page with writing like that, but I'm not gonna search them all out right now. For kicks, I looked at all the letters whose faces flashed black, and came out with "WHOISDOBAG," or to go a step further: "Who is dobag" which I would have written off as the random gibberish I pretty much expected to get by doing this, except it hit me that DOBAG looks really suspiciously similar to the world abbreviations: LOHAC, LOWAS, LOLAR, LOFAF, etc. Abbreviations haven't exactly been unimportant in narrative, and Hussie pretty consistently covers every angle.

It's REALLY reaching, but if it WERE to mean something, what might the letters stand for?

[Locke cole]

Actually, it looks more like a reference to "Who's this douchebag?"

[Bard The 5th LW]

That Douchebag also happens to be a member of the midnight crew.

Clearly LE is a member of the crew.

[BitVyper]

Actually, it looks more like a reference to "Who's this douchebag?"

That's definitely a question that could be asked about Lord English, so it could be that's all the use the multicolour text means. Which is something I thought of before poking at it, but the black faced letters stand out, especially after the more clear use of them recently.

Edit: Alternately, Lord English is Eddie Morton.

[Menarker]

While I'm still doggedly updating that progress bar, and will continue to, I'm now shooting for a concrete date to post the animation. I should have it up on 10/25.

It's dragged on longer than I wanted it to for a variety of reasons. I'll talk about the process a little after I'm done. There's a good chance I'll finish before 10/25, but if so, I'll hold off posting it until that date. Considering the significance of the number, and the time already spent waiting, at this point it would be kind of lame if I ended up posting it on 10/22 or something. I've planned to hit key dates before, like 4/13, and fell too far behind with the project and missed the date. But this is the first time I've run so late with a project that it actually LANDED on a key date I wasn't shooting for in the first place.


TL;DR

So, the earliest we should expect the big update is on the 25th

[Revising Ocelot]

TL;DR

So, the earliest we should expect the big update is on the 25th

Addendum: of NovemberDecember.

[Locke cole]

Heh.

10/25 = 4/13 + 6/12

[Revising Ocelot]

Oh, and the arbitrary bar of non-significance indicates "75%" now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

W00t i just got my time t-shirt. I am the hero of time, its me. Came pretty quickly compared to the last one I got.

[Aldurin]

THE PROGRESS BAR IS AT 81 PERCENT I'M SO FUCKING PUMPED RIGHT NOW!

[Bard The 5th LW]

He'll probably withhold it even when it reaches 100 though.

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/9339429756/1/tumblr_lqg1d0B5WP1r23aeo

[Revising Ocelot]

88%. 12% to go... UNTIL THE SECOND PROGRESS BAR.

[Locke cole]

Does anyone still care, or has ever cared, about the Tarot cards I've been making? Because I recently made another.

http://ib.skaia.net/image/19112.png

Success, victory, glory,but only if you have the will, perseverance, and courage to do what you have to to achieve it.

As such, a Quest Bed seemed almost too fitting.

[BitVyper]

88%. 12% to go... UNTIL THE SECOND PROGRESS BAR.

Ladder to Hell.

Chariot

Looks pretty cool, but the surrounding scene seems a bit unnecessary. Personally, I'd trim it down to just the scene on the screen.

Tower's gotta be Beat Mesa. Most catastrophic thing in the game by far. There will probably be a good scene with it in the end-of-act animation. I guess you could probably use the meteors as well though. Moon could probably be uh... ghost Aradia at the ruins of her home. I guess you could edit a moon into it. The Devil could be a little tricky - I'm not sure of anything that really suits the whole hand-caught-in-a-vending-machine-because-you-won't-let-go-of-the-candy-bar aspect of it. Maybe something involving Eridan. For lulz, I guess you could do it as hyper-accessorized Jack, right before he got rid of all his trophies.

Are you just doing the major suits, or do you plan to do the minor suits as well? Minor suits would require more editing, but they could totally work.

[Locke cole]

Well, see, the surrounding scene... I wanted the card to be a bit more interesting than just copy/pasting the scene in question, and having both WV and PM there sort of evokes the black-and-white sphinxes that are on the original card. The Quest Bed is still the focus of the scene, to be sure, but I thought that framing it with the monitor room gave it a bit more, you know? Plus it made it more work for me, so it felt like more of an accomplishment. I dunno, it may not have worked out as I planned.

I was thinking that the Beat Mesa would be the Wheel of Fortune, actually, and that The Tower may be Eridan, both halves of him. That, or Jack shattering Prospit or Derse. Both of those carry the air of wrack and ruin and all that jazz.

As for http://ib.skaia.net/image/2765.png "Addiction, self-enslavement (The Journal), etc" and http://ib.skaia.net/image/4719.png "anxiety, self-doubt, inner turmoil". Dave is more troubled than he likes to let on, as we know....

I also did http://ib.skaia.net/image/2749.jpg, though I may have gone a bit to far with editing on that one.

I'm just planning on the trumps for now, but I suppose I could do the minor arcana as well if I took the time. Would it be better to use the Tarot's actual suits (Swords, Cups, Wands, Pentacles), or the suits that they became in modern playing cards? (Spades, Hearts, Clubs, Diamonds)
With the former, I could do a lot with Swords and Wands, thanks to Dave, Bro, Eridan, and Rose. With the latter, it would also fit weirdly well, due to the quadrants.

[BitVyper]

Yeah, I thought of Vriska for the Devil, but I don't think she's really an ideal fit for the meaning associated with the card. Moon looks pretty good.

If you're gonna use Jack breaking Prospit, I'd go for when he slashes the chain holding its moon. Chain fills in for the tower itself pretty good. Beat Mesa could make a good Wheel of Fortune too.

For the pips..... I'd probably go with the original suits.

Edit: Sorry, when I said trumps before I meant major suits. I forgot that they're different things.

Edit: I think? Cripes, now I forget.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think Ive seen someone use Gamzee for the Devil before.

[Locke cole]

I guess it's all about interpretation, because I felt that Vriska fit it almost too well, especially with the revelation of how she'd let her life become all but dictated by Mindfang's journal and such. Which is why I put an image of the journal behind her, and 8-balls in the pentacle. She's a controlling influence on the trolls beneath her in the picture, but she herself is a slave to her own addictions. It just felt right to me.

Anyway, I'm thinking of which one to do next. I could go ahead and do Jack Vs. Prospit for The Tower, or I could do Strength. I was thinking that Jade would be good for Strength. She hits a few of the card's meanings, and her hugging Bec after playing fetch with him looks remarkably like the original card's imagery. Though I wonder if she wouldn't be better as The High Priestess.

Then again, Kanaya or Feferi might be better for The High Priestess. Though, Kanaya might be better suited for Temperance, what with her constant attempts at mediation. Argh. You see why I went for the ones that I felt were obvious first.

At least I'm certain about Equius's place as The Hierophant.

edit: I think Gamzee would be better as Death. Not just because he's a crazy murdertroll, but because he went through such a radical change when he went sober. Plus, he signaled the switch from silly Troll shenanigans to outright slasher-flick on a meteor. Change is a deep part of the meaning of the Death card. And end and a new beginning, all that jazz.

[Revising Ocelot]

Hold off on that Tower card until the EOA. Lord English will probably partake in some universe nommings then.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Equius, being the STRONGEST, is clearly strength.

[Locke cole]

But Strength represents patience, kindness, serenity, perseverence, compassion, etc. It's all about inner strength.

Meanwhile, the Hierophant, in addition to its religious connotations, represents institution, conservatism, tradition, status quo. Also, a mature mentor (Equius to Nepeta). Equius is so set in the caste system, right up to his death, that there's hardly any card he'd be better suited for.

edit: And yeah, Tower and Wheel of Fortune are to wait until the End of Act. I'm betting that there will be some prime destruction to be seen, or shots of the Beat Mesa.

[Arcanum]

Just an average day in the life of Bro Strider. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGkaISZrwU)

[Loyal]

According to AH's Twitter, the progress bar indicates the number of animation frames completed out of total frames to be done. So... now it means something.

[Bard The 5th LW]

jailbreak album (http://homestuckgaiden.bandcamp.com/)

[Token]

First of all: 100%

that doesn't matter

The best artist in the fandom is streaming. (http://www.livestream.com/randys133)

[Arcanum]

I'm still seeing http://mspaintadventures.com/scraps2/EOAprogress.gif EDIT-- when I posted this that bar was at 96%. I'm not crazy. I swear.

But yeah we aren't getting the EoA until Tuesday. I just pray the site doesn't die the instant the EoA is posted.

[BitVyper]

Hussie said on his twitter that he isn't even capable of hosting it right now and is looking into solutions.

[Aldurin]

That is not a good sign when the site won't even accept the file that will draw enough traffic to crash it.

[Arcanum]

We have... http://mspaintadventures.com/scraps2/EOAprogress.gif

Disclaimer: We don't actually have LIFDOFF since

it still doesn't work right for probably 10 to 20% of all computers out there. those people will be angry if i don't fix it.

In addition to the aforementioned reasons.

[BitVyper]

That is not a good sign when the site won't even accept the file that will draw enough traffic to crash it.

In the dark days that followed, October 25th would come to be known as The Day the Internet Died.

[Locke cole]

I guess I'll come back here on Saturday, when I'll be able to have seen the end of act flash.

[Revising Ocelot]

The Big Man hass the Tumblr (http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/).

So, y'know, you can add that to your list of things to ignore if you swing that way.

[Aldurin]

I don't like reading how this Flash That Kills The Internet is causing so much problems that Hussie might not be able to host it properly, if even on time.

[rpgdemon]

I'm kind of curious how large this file is. Since I have a hosting plan that gives me unlimited hosting/bandwidth.

Might as well shoot an email and see if I can help.

[Loyal]

I don't like reading how this Flash That Kills The Internet is causing so much problems that Hussie might not be able to host it properly, if even on time.

Well, it seems he intends to use torrents as a last resort.

[rpgdemon]

Well, it seems he intends to use torrents as a last resort.

Which sucks, since I can't torrent on my campus.

[Arcanum]

WHELP. Seems the thing decided to shit a brick when I was 78% loaded. Faaaantastic.

EDIT-- no wait it's working now.
EDIT2-- Oh look it froze mid-animation. Now I'm angry again.
EDIT3-- Seems the newgrounds drop page overloaded.

[IHateMakingNames]

Damn. It crashed Newgrounds before I even realized it was posted.

[Arcanum]

It crashed Newgrounds in under two minutes, since the [S] page went up as I was reading the scratchified-arrow pages, and the crash happened when I was about 30-40 seconds into the animation (after a minute or so of loading).

MSPA fandom: Your own personal DDoS attack. Just point and say "new flash."

[Krylo]

You know if you guys just like... waited two or three more days it'd probably be fine, right?

Edit: I mean, I guess it hasn't updated in months anyway, so what's another few days to let traffic die down so you can watch it properly?

[Arcanum]

I had actually planned in advance to try hosting it on NG for a little while, til things cooled down. This is the solution I was referring to below. It has worked well before. This is different though, due to the magnitudes, so I ran it by Tom Fulp first, who owns the site, and he was agreeable to this idea.

He suggested we put it in a section reserved for higher volume transfers, which sounded cool. But I hadn’t heard from him in a few days. So I just tried putting it on the dump site, as I did before, figuring it might be able to sustain it for a while, during some off peak hours until the better solution was available. This was not the case, so I took it down. I’m not out to break anyone’s site.

I’ll try something else tomorrow. In the meantime, please have patience.

Well it won't be up tonight, that's for sure.

[Solid Snake]

Pre-Flash Stuff: Nnnnoooooo Jade

[Red Mage Black]

Here I'm told that my computer won't be able to handle the flash. I've loaded and watched 40-48mb flashes before, but I'm also told since it's a Hussie flash, I won't be able to watch it because my computer won't be able to handle it. I know the flash is thirteen minutes long. Any idea on what the file size is?

[Solid Snake]

GUYS CHECK THIS OUT THIS MIGHT WORK

http://www.livestream.com/raptorbane?utm_source=website-channel-page&amp

[Kim]

Had trouble following some stuff because of two things.

1. Fuck Livestream.

2. Jesus fuck it's been so fucking long since I've actually read this webcomic what the fuck was even going on last I checked Goddamn it's so hard to give a fuck when I'm this fucking confused.

[IHateMakingNames]

And now you can download it.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CG0O78QW

[Arcanum]

GUYS CHECK THIS OUT THIS MIGHT WORK

http://www.livestream.com/raptorbane?utm_source=website-channel-page&amp

Oh man that was great. Also totally called it that the game gives everyone the chance to reach godtier, no matter what.


And now you can download it.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CG0O78QW

Haha nope that link is broken now too :P
e- oh wait no it's working

[POS Industries]

the jade girl HASS the dog tier

[Arcanum]

Woah, wait, let me get this straight: The tumor, a bomb fueled by the death of two universes, was never meant to destroy the Green Sun, but to fucking create it. That's what I'm getting from the ending bits, anyone else see it the same way?

[POS Industries]

Woah, wait, let me get this straight: The tumor, a bomb fueled by the death of two universes, was never meant to destroy the Green Sun, but to fucking create it. That's what I'm getting from the ending bits, anyone else see it the same way?
Ehhh, I don't think so, seeing as Aradia and Sollux were already at the Green Sun waiting for Rose and Dave's arrival.

[IHateMakingNames]

I did not see it that way, but after you say it like that now I do and am using that as my current assumption on what happened.

[POS Industries]

Not to say it isn't, I just don't feel like watching the whole thing again right now to verify.

[Kim]

Woah, wait, let me get this straight: The tumor, a bomb fueled by the death of two universes, was never meant to destroy the Green Sun, but to fucking create it. That's what I'm getting from the ending bits, anyone else see it the same way? Probably. What a twist.

Having watched this again, I'm thinking I'm probably done with Homestuck. Everybody else seemed to like the flash, and more power to them for that, but I was surprised how incredibly indifferent I was to everything that happened. The End of Act was confusing as hell, relied on stuff I can barely fucking remember, and I'm tired of playing the, "What small details from forever and a year ago do I need to recall to understand what is going on?" game.

At this point, I would need to start putting actual work into rereading and connecting the dots with Homestuck, and I'm just not at all interested in putting that much effort into it anymore. For me, the EoA was a lot of, "Well, that was certainly a thing that happened." If that's how I'm feeling about this big, climactic, important thing, I'm not sure I have it in me to stick around for the smaller stuff.

Oh, well. Fun while it lasted.

[POS Industries]

Oh come on, Nonsie. I'm sure there'll be some adorable John/Karkat hijinks right around the corner for you!

[Arcanum]

Ehhh, I don't think so, seeing as Aradia and Sollux were already at the Green Sun waiting for Rose and Dave's arrival.

But the green sun exists outside of regular time and space, and Dave and Rose didn't just appear, they came out of the green sun with a silhouette similar to John's god-tier revival silhouette.

Not to say it isn't, I just don't feel like watching the whole thing again right now to verify.

If you're using the downloaded flash, on the green card at beginning you can click the Act circles on the bottom right to warp to specific parts. Part 6 is right at the explosion.

[IHateMakingNames]

My main question is if Jack destroys the universe/big toad, does the Scratch still happen?

[POS Industries]

If you're using the downloaded flash, on the green card at beginning you can click the Act circles on the bottom right to warp to specific parts. Part 6 is right at the explosion.
Ooookay, I just got that now. It failed to occur to me that that was what was going on there.

[Arcanum]

I may or may not have watched this flash 2 or 3 times already.


.... To be fair I always miss things on the first go when it comes to Hussie's flashes.

[POS Industries]

Well, the first two times I watched it were in a laggy stream, and the first of those times I had my cat deciding to take that time to make a racket and the second I was distracted by the chat. Then I watched it proper after downloading it but was all tired and hungry.

And there is just so much to take in here.

[Pip Boy]

I was personally quite impressed by the end of act shenanigans. A few questions left unanswered, mostly mirroring others' complaints that this took so long in the making that I don't even remember most of the relevant circumstances leading up to it. Mainly, all the Lord English stuff. He would enter the universe at the time of its destruction, made a triviality by his ability to travel time, right? But Jack's Red Miles destroyed the Universe Toad that composed the universe the kids live in, meaning that either Lord English has already been summoned, or is summoned by the destruction of the Troll universe and not the kids'?

[Art of Hilt]

So Rose and Dave did create the Green Sun.
The Tumor was just like an ectolab for it, taking in two components: the kids' universe and the trolls' universe.
So when they said the Green Sun was twice the mass of the universe, what they actually meant was that the Green Sun literally had the mass of TWO UNIVERSES.

OH SHIIIIIT

[Amake]

I don't even care about all the things I'm going to have to reread to make sense of, or the things that probably won't make sense anytime in the foreseeable future. There's so many dramatic and unlikely and beautiful things going on in the video my life seems richer from just watching it with my brain turned off.

[Token]

Album's up too. (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/) The title of that last track just looks delicious.

[Solid Snake]

Having watched this again, I'm thinking I'm probably done with Homestuck.


While I will say that I don't entirely agree with the degree of negativity voiced here (and given my reputation as The Guy Who Criticizes Homestuck, maybe that says a lot,) I will concede this much:

There's something about the hysterical personalities and interactions among the characters that just defines Homestuck for me and it's not in equal measure in the "Epic Flash" or "Convoluted Plot" shenanigans.

I really can't think of any better example of this than the last update, in which reading Karkat and Jade's conversation, complete with Karkat's usual lovely manner of expression, actually brought me more joy than any single scene of the end of act flash shenanigans. Seriously, Andrew is best at writing dialogue, and the intensive dialogue in pesterchum chats in later parts of Homestuck is what transformed what had been a merely 'great' webcomic into a truly outstanding one as the kids and trolls increasingly interacted.

Additionally, while I suppose some of you will justify his death as 'necessary' for one of several reasons, I just think that killing WV constitutes something of a low blow. It's like killing an innocent child.

Aside from that, the flash was technically proficient and incredibly impressive, but given that the most agonizing (albeit temporary) death was Jade's, I think Andrew actually lost a fair bit of the emotional potential of the Flash by not including Jade's death as a component of it. (Imagine if Jade had died near the beginning of the Flash and the right somber music was playing and you assumed for even a split second that the death was in some respects permanent.)

Sollux and Jade had the best moments in the Flash, I wish Rose and Dave had gotten more screentime, and I'm still awfully confused as to the exact nature of Jack's decision-making process and his agenda.

[Revising Ocelot]

Three things I don't quite get.


1) What was the paper slip that WK had? This is probably something I've completely forgotten, but considering the ol' decapitation right after WK appeared, I'm not quite getting what the overall objective was here.

2) Why was Sollux plunging the Meteor-Lab towards the Green Sun? Trying to destroy it that way, or just for the kids meet-up, or what?

3) Gamzee looks like he's still evil. Not big surprise. Was he communicating with Scratch there (and receiving the 'Suckers' message from him)? And I guess this means Scratch never wanted to die?

[Revising Ocelot]

and I'm still awfully confused as to the exact nature of Jack's decision-making process and his agenda.

Oh, that part's easy. It's been stated a few times in the past that Jack was just mindlessly raging and destroying after he got to the Troll session. The Bad Dog turns into a Mad Dog when he sees Jade, his master, die.

[Loyal]

Well that was interesting. Though it was hard to catch some details since I'm on my old laptop right now, it's probably not a good sign when the most interesting thing I can say about it is "living Jade has dog ears now."

[Locke cole]

Three things I don't quite get.


1) What was the paper slip that WK had? This is probably something I've completely forgotten, but considering the ol' decapitation right after WK appeared, I'm not quite getting what the overall objective was here.

2) Why was Sollux plunging the Meteor-Lab towards the Green Sun? Trying to destroy it that way, or just for the kids meet-up, or what?

3) Gamzee looks like he's still evil. Not big surprise. Was he communicating with Scratch there (and receiving the 'Suckers' message from him)? And I guess this means Scratch never wanted to die?


1) If I remember correctly, that was Rose's wizard fan-fic. It's not all that consequential, but it's why he was referred to as the "Writ Keeper".

2) For the meetup, I think. They had no other method of traveling through space, so he kind of had to pull a ?iioniic and pilot the meteor like a spaceship.

3) Well, that was a flashback to when he was viewing the Critical Event. That was the first time we ever saw him being evil. Unless I'm getting my timeframes mixed up.

Personally, I think the most amazing thing we saw here was Witch Of Space Jade turning planets into baubles for her to hold. She's keeping her promise to Echidna by smuggling the planets through the Fourth Wall. That's just amazing. Something she honestly thought was impossible, is now trivial to her. I mean, just, holy shit.

[MuMu]

Might be relevant, maybe? (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005976)

[Revising Ocelot]

Only just realised

http://i.imgur.com/1zRFc.jpg

The Witch Jade is going to get STUCK under a HOME. :raise:

[Ecks]

I did find that rather amusing about her Witch of Space outfit.

[Marc v4.0]

Worth It

[Locke cole]

Might be relevant, maybe? (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005976)

Nah. Well, maybe, but that is itself a reference. Scratch has been calling people suckers for a while.

By the way, new Tarot card, everyone. And it's quite the doozy. XXI: The World.

I always thought that I would do The World as the last one, but the flash beat me over the head with the perfect imagery to use, so I could but take the plunge.

Weapons-grade spoilers for the flash, for course, so I'm gonna put it into a swap tag.


http://ib.skaia.net/image/20937.png

The World. The final trump of the Tarot deck. The completion of a cycle, the end of the Fool's journey. The World represents accomplishment, success, fulfillment. The end of one cycle, and the beginning of another. The Fool's Journey ends where it began. Jade has become a god, as have all of her friends. They have reached the end of where their Echeladders and the trials on their planets can take them. By taking the planets with her, she is fulfilling her impossible promise to Echidna. An impossible promise that is now all but trivial to her. And she is going to save herself, John, and everyone on those worlds, by exiting through a wall that has been in her attic since she was born.

The card very often has four animals, representing Fire, Water, Earth, and Air, surrounding a female figure in the center. In this, we see Jade carrying the four kids' planets, tidily fulfilling the four elements symbolism, and the Battlefield. Skaia originally represented the ultimate reward for the kids, but Jade is forging a new path. And finally, the Fourth Wall. Jade ends their journey by literally smashing through a portal that shows where they all began.

But, this is just the end of one journey, one cycle.


Forgive the wall-'o'-text, I tend to wax poetic when I go on about the symbolism of these things.

[Aldurin]

So Jade is now a furry, of space?

It looks like her life goals are becoming true.

I personally loved the flash since the sheer amount of plot advancement in there probably would have taken until at least christmas to get through with normal updates. And it actually captured almost all the fields of focus, disregarding a very elusive few.

Fedorafreak went god tier. That's all we know and the sheer amount of mystery around him points to some vague importance on his part.

Jade's grandpa and/or Jade's grandson are still out in the open on how the fuck they got inside the medium in the first place.

And dammit we are literally right on the edge of seeing Lord English now that he's confronted Aradia.

[Dracorion]

Noooooo Robunny why were you taken from us. :crying:

Also, Serenity is still around. God Tier WV, anyone? Actually, that's probably moot, given Jade and John going back to the beginning.

[Locke cole]

So, I did a horrible pun.

http://ib.skaia.net/image/20956.png

[Arcanum]

Hey guys, guys. They escaped the scratch in a golden ship. Now I get why Karkat thought our word for it was stupid.

Edit for above: My train of thought when I saw that: You jerk, Jade is is not a bitch, she is a gentle, loving dog-lady ooohhhhhh I get it now.

[IHateMakingNames]

3) Well, that was a flashback to when he was viewing the Critical Event. That was the first time we ever saw him being evil. Unless I'm getting my timeframes mixed up.

For 3, Gamzee is using Vriska's laptop, so him viewing the Critical Event has to have happened post 5x showdown.


As Snake said about Exiles, WV dying is bullshit, and PM putting on the ring is double bullshit. She was the worst of the Exiles

[Bard The 5th LW]

*Jade dies*

GODDAMN YOU CLUBS DEUCE!

*Jack finds questbed*

GOD BLESS YOU JACK NOIR!

*Exiles die*

GODDAMN YOU JACK NOIR

Also Jade's face looked more sinister than uplifting.

But seriously, my only disappointment was WV's death. He was the one with most reason to take down Jack.

[Arcanum]

New shirts/hoodies in the store. http://www.whatpumpkin.com/finery/prod_images/mind-hoodie-large.jpg and http://www.whatpumpkin.com/finery/prod_images/heart-hoodie-large.jpg.

[Locke cole]

I still need to get a Breath hoodie, since I'm a Taurus.

Hey guys, guys. They escaped the scratch in a golden ship. Now I get why Karkat thought our word for it was stupid.

I could have sworn they were talking about the Yellow Yard. "Lawnring" is, if I remember correctly, the Alternian teminology for their front yards.

[Intern Nin]

Hey guys, guys. They escaped the scratch in a golden ship. Now I get why Karkat thought our word for it was stupid.

Jade was talking about escaping to the Yellow Yard, the place between two fenestrated walls that Hussie set up earlier. He took that to mean a yard like the one in front of a house, which is why he called it a lawn ring.

Edit: Cole, stop being a ninja. Stop being a ninja right this very instant. I will inform your guardians about this behavior.

[Arcanum]

See, I had a feeling they specified it as a lawnring or something similar, but was too lazy to look up that conversation.

[Revising Ocelot]

Yeah, I wouldn't wear that Heart hoodie.

I have absolutely no similarities to 'patron troll' Nepeta at all. I do like cats, but that's about it. And not nearly to the same degree she does.

[Loyal]

As Snake said about Exiles, WV dying is bullshit, and PM putting on the ring is double bullshit. She was the worst of the Exiles
But seriously, my only disappointment was WV's death. He was the one with most reason to take down Jack.We've known to some degree that PM was gonna get the ring for a loooong time. For a very long time in fanon people saw her as eventually getting the ring, what with being the swording badass and all, and WV being cool/courageous but ultimately comic relief at best (and Hussie has markedly demonstrated his position on the significance of comic relief characters). This idea was later all but confirmed when, in canon, WQ straight up told PM that she was gonna be taking WQ's place. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004914)

Also, what's this about Godtier Fedorafreak? Must've missed that.

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah, I wouldn't wear that Heart hoodie.

How else are you going to let people know that the world is a vampire?

[Locke cole]

You could play it off as a Zelda reference if the design gets you stares.



Also, what's this about Godtier Fedorafreak? Must've missed that.

Remember the perstersession where he was talking to Nannasprite, and she relayed the secret truth of Betty Crocker and all that?

Well, from his descriptions of his surroundings, it certainly sounds like he found a Quest Bed after losing a lot of blood, and crawled onto it. And then bled out while Nanna was talking to him.

[Revising Ocelot]

Also, what's this about Godtier Fedorafreak? Must've missed that.

That was in one of the Scratch scrapbook entries. He did updates on his PDA about being heavily wounded and finding a quest bed.

How else are you going to let people know that the world is a vampire?

To be honest I don't wear hoodies at all. They hang off my (skeletal) frame. And I'd get odd looks for wearing even the Space hoodie just because of the symbol, much less any of the others.

[Loyal]

Remember the perstersession where he was talking to Nannasprite, and she relayed the secret truth of Betty Crocker and all that?

Well, from his descriptions of his surroundings, it certainly sounds like he found a Quest Bed after losing a lot of blood, and crawled onto it. And then bled out while Nanna was talking to him.

I do remember this, I just don't recall anything about it necessarily making him Godtier (since we don't know for a fact that it will accept just any random corpse considering each one thus far has been custom tailored to a specific Hero of X). And it was a decent while ago, thus my confusion as to why it's being brought up now since I didn't see it in the flash.

Hell, I remember people saying if anything it'd make his PDA Godtier because his conversation ended not when Fedorafreak checked out, but when the PDA's batteries did.

[Aldurin]

But is Fedora Freak even in the same session as the kids? I don't think that was ever clarified.

[Bard The 5th LW]

It was probably just a joke. The real purpose of that conversation was to exposit on the Batterwitch/Condesce. Fedorafreak will likely never be mentioned again.

[Kerensky287]

Next update: He's Lord English.

[Ryong]

So.

Am I the only one who still doesn't know what the critical moment is and what does it have to do with Gamzee and/or Jade's house?