Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Bard The 5th LW]

I like how the green sun and genesis frog are considered characters to kill.

[Arcanum]

Oh my god http://ib.skaia.net/image/27886.png

[Marc v4.0]

Oh my god http://ib.skaia.net/image/27886.png

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpg

[Locke cole]

That, or their skin is pigmented to counteract the blood color aaaaand yeah nope.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Fly has a music video now. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUDkBTYWtGk&list=UUL5ykJ3-tVwrZFNtMSlTaVQ&feature=plcp)

[Geminex]

This is the most festive thing ever. Give it at least one listen. (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/28267?search=Terezi_Pyrope)

[Arcanum]

This is the most festive thing ever. Give it at least one listen. (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/28267?search=Terezi_Pyrope)

That's probably the fifth time I've heard that song, and it's still awesome.

[Locke cole]

Revenge of Doctor Ragnarok sounds like a great name for a band album. Or comic book. Or video game.

[POS Industries]

Jade confirmed for being more powerful than Hussie.

Looking forward to Rose being confirmed as a better writer.

[Aldurin]

And Dave being confirmed as much cooler, thus meaning that Bro (Scratched) would be infinitely cooler than Hussie.

[BitVyper]

Jade's new sprite looks pretty great.

[rpgdemon]

Revenge of Doctor Ragnarok sounds like a great name for a band album. Or comic book. Or video game.

Doctor Ragnarok = Doctor Apocalypse

Doctor = Doc

Scratch = An Apocalypse.

The Revenge of Doc Scratch sounds bad.

[BitVyper]

Well, Hussie has stated he is against actually effecting the story with his character. But he did beat Doc Scratch to death and didn't count that as inference, so who knows.

He didn't really affect anything. Aradia's ancestor didn't escape and Doc Scratch wasn't dead, since he was still talking to Gamzee at the end (and we saw an image of him laying there to indicate where in his personal timeframe he was during that conversation). The only thing he really accomplished was altering the way the narrative was delivered, which was always his perogative as the primary author. Doc Scratch saying he needed to die for Lord English to enter the universe was a trick. Lord English's arrival necessitated the death of Doc Scratch because his arrival was the thing that effectively killed Doc Scratch. He wasn't dead until then.

Even if we were to call him "dead" when he was laying on the floor with his leg (arm? I forget) ripped off, it still didn't actually change anything. His role was essentially complete at that point. The way was paved for Lord English's arrival, and Aradia had been delievered to him faithfully.

Of course, you could say that what he's doing now would have happened anyway as well, and you'd be right. However, Hussie never actually said he would affect things in any significant way; he just defined the length of his influence. I guess him placing the windows there at all could be considered significant influence, which would also fit under his one yard rule.

Then again, they haven't hit the other side yet.

[Amake]

So it turns out God tier isn't the pinnacle of levelhood we were led to believe. Oh my.

I'm rather blown away one might even say bewitched wait no that's too cheap even for me by this turn of events.

[BitVyper]

So it turns out God tier isn't the pinnacle of levelhood we were led to believe.

Nah, god tiers have been referenced before. Vriska said they were something to be climbed, and Doc Scratch indicated that she had levelled up a lot for having beaten the troll session's endboss.

[Revising Ocelot]

Hey, John's nearly at max level again. Doctor Ragnarok was his previous penultimate level before Heir Transparent.

[Ecks]

Did not know that, I'll have to dive back into the archives again.

[POS Industries]

You each receive the badge GIFT OF GAB, enabling you to engage in simple, direct dialogue with others, without requiring any gimmicks to facilitate communication. You don't need to type through a chat client, or talk to a sprite, or traverse through a memory in a dream bubble, or wander around in an interactive game environment, or any of that stuff.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/1312145723832.gif

[Solid Snake]

...Did Andrew just completely destroy hordes of fanfiction by insinuating that all of the characters were actually mute before this moment?

[Geminex]

BRB rewriting promstuck to have no dialogue. : D

[Arcanum]

...Did Andrew just completely destroy hordes of fanfiction by insinuating that all of the characters were actually mute before this moment?

Nah he just made it so they could talk in dialoglogs in normal panels instead of the only dialog occuring during flash games or in dream bubbles.

[Locke cole]

See, and here I thought that the achievement meant that they could talk to anyone, anywhere, across any distance, without needing to go through the Internet or dream bubbles to do so.

[Bard The 5th LW]

...Did Andrew just completely destroy hordes of fanfiction by insinuating that all of the characters were actually mute before this moment?

Id assume that Alterniabound already did that.

[Ecks]

See, and here I thought that the achievement meant that they could talk to anyone, anywhere, across any distance, without needing to go through the Internet or dream bubbles to do so.

That's what I gathered from that blurb. But then I have no idea until someone clarifies it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Doom and Hope designs are out (http://whatpumpkin.com/godtier-tees.html)

[Locke cole]

Angel wings, I see. So, considering Alternia's view of angels, it would make sort of weird sense that their player went nuts.

[Mr.Bookworm]

No, I'm pretty sure that was just Eridan being a jackass.

[Locke cole]

Well, yeah, that's true, but the fact that the symbol of hope was the "horrible feathery wings" of a species Alternia thought was used to usher in the end can't have helped him much.

In the end, though, he really is just as you say.

[Art of Hilt]

To be clear, it's not "Alternia's" view of angels. Only Sollux had visions of them. Terezi had no idea what he was talking about until he clarified that they were "beings of Paradox Space" who usher in the end. Otherwise, they do not exist in Alternian culture; Terezi being as smart as she is surely would have been familiar with them if they were. But they are beings that are prevalent enough to show up in Sollux's visions, and ones that I wouldn't be surprised if we see again with Jake.

The Lord of All Angels is totally Lord English like seriously

[Locke cole]

I'm pretty sure that the "lord of angels" is supposed to be Bec Noir. Eridan implied as much in Return To The Core.

[BitVyper]

I'm pretty sure that the "lord of angels" is supposed to be Bec Noir. Eridan implied as much in Return To The Core.

I always thought it seemed pretty clear that HE was meant to be their ruler and was just too boneheaded to realise it. It was probably his version of playing the rain, or freeing the fireflies, or whatever else...

[Locke cole]

Perhaps. I suppose we may never know for sure.

And so it appears that, despite only being in Hussi'es area for 3 nanoseconds, their time is dilated weirdly, so that they can carry on a full conversation in that timespan.

[Amake]

If Hussie is using hard science, the exact speed of light is 274,1302235952 yards per nanosecond. To pass one yard in three nanoseconds they have to move at a surprisingly low 0.0012 times the speed of light, which should make the journey from their perspective take 3.0036 nanoseconds. Unless my math is off, they have to be talking very very fast.

[Art of Hilt]

I'm pretty sure that the "lord of angels" is supposed to be Bec Noir. Eridan implied as much in Return To The Core.

As far as I'm concerned, Eridan is a very ignorant person whose words pretty much amount to guesswork.

Also I like how we got an intermission to take a quick break from the reset to catch up on the kids.

[POS Industries]

As far as I'm concerned, Eridan is a very ignorant person whose words pretty much amount to guesswork.
This. The guy couldn't even figure out that the angels were his consorts after being repeatedly told such in no uncertain terms by his teammates. One would have better luck taking whatever interpretation he got from his quest information and assuming the opposite to be true.

[Revising Ocelot]

So there's going to be 5 or 6 sub-Acts with Intermissions inbetween to focus on the original cast? Fine by me.

[Locke cole]

I suppose that makes sense. I guess I liked his interpretation because it made sense to me, after hearing what Sollux had to say about angels in general. Specifically, the fact that Bec Noir was a horrifying figure with feathery wings made me think "Oh! I see what Hussie did there", but on the other hand, it is Eridan who said that...

[Kerensky287]

My favorite thing about the use if gifs in homestuck is the alternate interpretations that can ensue based on looping pictures.

For example, Hussiebot is rapidly throwing the curtain over the walls, and then taking it back off again.

[POS Industries]

I also like how completely through the looking glass we are when the intermission stars John and Jade.

[Art of Hilt]

Update.
OH SHIT IT'S LIKE ONE PIECE ALL OVER AGAIN

[Locke cole]

Wow. Someone else thought of the "3ns 3Y" joke.

So, if 3 meters has become 3 lightyears from their perspective, that's... a lot of shrinkage.

[rpgdemon]

Couldn't Jade speed up their journey by, ironically, slowing down?

Like, 100 MPH would get them across easily, and not have any time dilation.

Edit: Like, even if they're shrunk down, speed of light should be constant. I think the physics here are wonky/wrong.

[Locke cole]

Time dialation wouldn't happen if they slowed down, true, but I think that what she's saying is that the distance is effectively 3 lightyears.

Hussie physics sure are weird?

[POS Industries]

Yeah, I think this is kind of an awkward means of progressing all the characters to the same age, if that's what's going on here. Suspension of disbelief just ain't working for me on this one.

[Locke cole]

Having said that, the idea that Hussie is supposed to be from a universe outside the Green Sun's influence may explain the "reverse Calvin And Hobbes" thing.

[Aldurin]

This is just way too confusing. I will continue to agree with John's last expression until we get more info.

[Ecks]

Ugh, I think I'm gonna stay the fuck off 4chan for the duration.

I was in an HSG when the update dropped and they collectively flipped their shit. Something about ships capsizing and whatnot. Or not wanting characters aged up? I dunno.

As far as the 3 year nonsense is concerned... that's an awfully long time to be stuck on a ship with jack flipping shit to do.

Not even gonna speculate on what's going on with Rose, Dave, or the Trolls in the meantime until we get to their shenanigans.

[Locke cole]

Actually, they do potentially have stuff to do. Assuming Jade can multitask and still keep the ship going, she could potentially send John, Davesprite, and possibly herself to the five planets she still has with her. They could play the LOHACSE for kicks, hang out in a mushroom farm on LOWAS, or... well, there's not too much to do on the other three planets, unless you're really into rainbow-water, frogs, or craters.

[Arcanum]

Assuming everything so far makes sense (I'm not saying it does, but in this case let's just assume it does), and that at their current size the distance to the window is about 3 light years. Couldn't Jade just make their ship bigger to speed up the journey?

Like, an ant travelling a yard would take a while, but a human or a cat or a mouse could travel that same distance much faster. So wouldn't that also apply in this case?

edit-

Actually, they do potentially have stuff to do. Assuming Jade can multitask and still keep the ship going, she could potentially send John, Davesprite, and possibly herself to the five planets she still has with her. They could play the LOHACSE for kicks, hang out in a mushroom farm on LOWAS, or... well, there's not too much to do on the other three planets, unless you're really into rainbow-water, frogs, or craters.

Well they could save B-Slick from the volcano and help him grow big and strong.

[Locke cole]

See, a human would go faster because, well, they can move faster. The issue here is that Jade is apparently moving them at lightspeed, which is the universal speed limit. Literally can't go faster than that, no matter your size.

The only way this could work is if Hussie, and by extension everything in his parlor, is freaking HUGE. As in, what appears to be foot to him is a lightyear to us. Of course, for that to work, he'd have to break the light barrier just to bang out his recaps on the typewriter as fast as he appears to.

So, physics breaks down either way.

[Arcanum]

Well my reasoning was that this was a result of perceived distance; that at their current size they perceive the distance to be 3 light years (and thus take 3 years to traverse it), but if they were larger they would perceive the distance as say 0.01 light years (and then it would only take like a few days to cross it). If that even makes sense to anyone but me.

[Locke cole]

The percieved distance doesn't, I think, change the actual distance, at least not when you're moving at lightspeed. Humans can cover more ground than ants because we have longer legs and can go faster, but no matter how big Jade makes the ship, lightspeed is lightspeed.

[Arcanum]

And yet here Hussiebot moved roughly one (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006191) yard (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006201) in less than three nano seconds, and that's not counting him moving from the grey area with the curtains to the area with the walls. That's why I think size has something to do with this.

Basically I've stopped trying to figure this out with real physics, and now I'm just trying to make sense of the Hussie-physics.

[BitVyper]

John's gonna end up with Con Air hair. Three years without a barber.

[Art of Hilt]

I was in an HSG when the update dropped and they collectively flipped their shit. Something about ships capsizing and whatnot. Or not wanting characters aged up? I dunno.

They assume that if John and Jade will be stuck together on a ship for three years, then Rose and Dave will be with the trolls on the meteor navigating to the reset session for three years as well. The primary complaint comes from John/Rose shippers not liking the idea of Rose spending three years in person with Kanaya.

Also, they feel that skipping from 13 to 16 in a coming of age story is like picking up the characters and placing them "at the finish line", which is pretty absurd because as we've all seen the reset kids are just as dysfunctional and immature at 16 as the original kids are at 13. Also since when is 16 a "finish line" in terms of growing up? This isn't the Industrial Revolution. We're not expected to choke ourselves in coal mine dust before our balls drop.

edit- I think Jade plain doesn't know that being bigger is an option. They don't understand the dimension they're in (even though it's just the space between two windows in a normal study covered by a green curtain), and they might not want to take any risks by changing their status quo.

[Amake]

I know I didn't do jack shit between age 13 and 16. In between a crippling fear of being seen acting like a child and lacking any physical, emotional or mental capacity to function as an adult, I pretty much stayed in my room and read X-men for three years. 16 was actually exactly when things started to get interesting again.

[Revising Ocelot]

There are no physics, only the rule of the author. It's his domain, after all. And the author has been firmly established in canon as a deranged lunatic, so it's best not to think about it.


In other news: You suck!!!

[BitVyper]

In response to all the physics stuff, I see a lot of people treating this as if they're moving at light speed, but they aren't. They're moving "about as close to light speed as [Jade] can make [them] go." My physics may be waaaaay off on this, but if I'm not mistaken it's something to the effect of this: Light speed being a constant, anything moving at C should still be moving that much faster relative to them even if they are very close to C. If Hussiebot himself is moving at C, then everything more or less works.

I'm basing this all off faded memories of a class I took five years ago though, so I could be completely wrong.

Edit: I mean, from Hussiebot's perspective, it should still take him years to get that curtain up, but we don't really see things from his perspective, and with him being both a robot and the author, it probably wouldn't matter anyway since our perspective of his perspective is subject to his own influence. Just like how he's not going to make us watch John and Jade cross that gap for three full years of daily updates.

[Revising Ocelot]

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?faqs=science probably still holds true for the current situation.

Anyway, if John grows Cameron Poe hair, there'd be absolutely no excuse for him not to replicate Reunite with your loving wife and daughter. Again.

As for JackvsPM: apart from Jack having showed a few people his stabs after prototyping, there's no reason to suggest he has any more combat skills than PM. It'll be a stalemate... one that lasts for 3 years, obviously.

[BitVyper]

PM is a badass. She took shots from HB and then killed him her damn self. That puts her about on Guardian level or a bit lower in terms of combat ability, and the years she's spent wandering the wasteland have probably only made her harder. She would probably stand a reasonable chance of taking Jack even in their base forms.

[Bard The 5th LW]

3 years is a long ass time. Can't you just bullshit physics in their favor Hussie?

[BitVyper]

Who knows; maybe he will. They are in his zone of influence, after all.

Edit: Also on PM vs Jack, I think PM just plain wants it more here. Jack's been running on nothin but rage, and he's kind of left himself with nothing at this point. He's kinda reached the inevitable emptiness that awaits his type. I don't think he has a chance, really. All else being equal, PM has a purpose, and I think that makes the difference.

[Revising Ocelot]

Doubtful considering the set up. Hussiebot did his levelups, now he's got to prepare the curtains.

If anything, the time skip sucks the most for WV. He's got to bleed out for three years.

EDIT: Jack's been looking for a challenge this whole time, which he certainly didn't get with GrimDark Rose. He's shocked sure, but he's going to get his full game going very quickly.

[BitVyper]

EDIT: Jack's been looking for a challenge this whole time, which he certainly didn't get with GrimDark Rose. He's shocked sure, but he's going to get his full game going very quickly.

And then what? Kill PM and leave himself in an empty session, the players having long since escaped, and him without a means to find them? PM has a purpose that is driving her to overcome Jack. All Jack has is a fight with PM. It's not like this hasn't been referred to before - I recall the narrative specifically addressing Jack's turmoil over wanting to go crazynuts with his power, but knowing that he could very easily leave himself with a great big empty eternity.

Obviously this is just my reckoning on why PM will beat Jack. Anything could happen in the end, and I'm sure Hussie will throw some curveballs anyway. However, like I said, PM just wants it more right now.

We did see another version of Jack confronted with the prospect of destroying his One True Foe in Cascade, and he did falter momentarily. Luckily for him, his kismesis was there helping him make the choice. PM don't give a fuck - she'll cut his head off the instant he falters.

[IHateMakingNames]

For those of you who don't know Morse code (Everyone) and don't want to go translate it.

Serenity: You suck!!!

[Revising Ocelot]

Before PM popped in, he was making angry faces at the Green Sun in Cascade. He's still got the trolls to finish off - or he could do a variation of what happened with Vriska's alternate timeline and simply follow them to whatever new session(s) they end up in, and get his destruction on. Since Jade died and he went cross-universe, he knows there's a lot more out there than the session he sprang from, and so he's been destroying stuff with abandon.

[Locke cole]

Yeah, but I thought that the idea was that that particular pulse of light isn't going to last forever before it dies down to a quiet glow that may not be visible from that distance. If that's the case, then getting waylaid by PM could cost him his chance to teleport-murder the rest of the trolls. We now know that he can't teleport directly to the Green Sun.

[Mr.Bookworm]

No, the Green Sun is now visible from that point, in the exact same way the actual sun is. It just took the light a looooooooong time to get there.

Although I'm pretty sure Jade just indicated (getting an actual infodump, no strings attached, is kind of a relief) that he couldn't telemurder the trolls anyway. He would have to physically travel there, limited by the speed of light, which presumably takes a while if the Horrorterrors aren't helping you.

[Locke cole]

According to Andrew's Tumblr, in explaining Cascade, he refers to the light of the ancient explosion that created the Green Sun as a "momentary beacon" for the trolls to follow, which is why Sollux went all out with the flight of the meteor.

I'm assuming that means that the explosion that formed it was momentarily brighter than the light it sheds during its normal lifespan. Bright enough to be seen further than normal.

[BitVyper]

It was always referred to as a temporary beacon that was related to the explosion itself, not just the green sun. If it weren't, the green sun would have always been visible from all sessions. Dave and Rose got to the Furthest Ring "before" (I'm putting before in quotes here because it's like saying before there was a concept of before) it existed because of the way travelling through paradox space works at that distance. Aradia got there "after" it was made, and it was never visible from her session until well after she went there.

CG: APPARENTLY THE EXPLOSION WILL BE SO HUGE, IT WILL BE VISIBLE AT GREAT DISTANCES THROUGHOUT THE FURTHEST RING.

It's the explosion, not the sun itself.

Also keep in mind that according to Jade, even if he turned around and made a mad dash for the beacon right now, Jack would be limited to light speed if he wanted to travel there, whereas the kids all had various ways of getting around the time issue (being able to navigate time for Dave and Aradia, and some kind of psychic FTL travel for the rest of the trolls).

JADE: but we could only teleport locally
JADE: which means, bec could jump to anywhere in our universe, but not to another universe, or into a session
JADE: and jack could jump to anywhere in our session, but not outside it
JADE: we cant even jump to the green sun itself, even though we sort of serve as a gateway to it, and all its energy

Jack can't stand the boredom of being trapped for a few seconds by Aradia. If he kills PM, he's trapped in a big black nothing for a lot longer even IF he manages to do so in enough time to see the beacon. We've seen that this is something he thinks about, and I've demonstrated that he's faltered under just such circumstances.

It may or may not be what actually happens, but everything we've seen about his character and the circumstances indicates that, as I said, PM is the one who really wants to win here. Even if Jack is temporarily excited by the appearance of a worthy opponent.

[Amake]

It seems both logical and just that our Mendicant should win. She's even got Serenity on her side. I had imagined Jack would be the big bad boss of the story and it's hard to imagine he could be taken out by such a peripheral character, in a ruined universe with no one to see him fall no less. But then I remembered Lord English. Yeah, I think it's time for Jack to die.

[BitVyper]

I guess three years will give them plenty of time to explore their worlds and finish up any quests on them. Good thing Jade brought them along.

[Fifthfiend]

Come on Parcelchick, eat that motherfucker's heart.

[BitVyper]

That's Parcel MISTRESS to you.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I guess three years will give them plenty of time to explore their worlds and finish up any quests on them. Good thing Jade brought them along.

It also creates a massive window for JohnXJade shipping/fanfiction.

[Mr.Bookworm]

It also creates a massive window for JohnXJade shipping/fanfiction.

You do know they're biologically brother and okay yeah it creates a massive window for John/Jade shipping.

What's the over/under on how long it takes for God Tiers and/or green sun powers being used to justify incest?

[IHateMakingNames]

John knows that they are kind of siblings, plus he probably isn't a furry.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Why are you bringing logic into shipping? It has no place there.

[Loyal]

This might provide an additional setting for shipping, possibly some pretext, but it's not going to enable the proclivities of anyone who wasn't already doing it.

[Kerensky287]

I do maintain that the sole reason for the 3-year gap is that Andrew Hussie wants to draw Jade with boobs.

[POS Industries]

OH SHIT JACK WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[BitVyper]

Now all I can think about is both of them trying to sniff each others' butts.

[Viridis]

Oh just hate each other platonically and murder each other already. Neither of you are even from the session where hate-love is a thing.

[BitVyper]

I doubt PM intends to do anything but murder Jack with the utmost expedience.

[Loyal]

Though if there's any one person Jack could possibly feel pity for (if not necessarily Pity) it's PM.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Jack's gotta thing for Royalty it seems.

[Marc v4.0]

Oh just hate each other platonically and murder each other already. Neither of you are even from the session where hate-love is a thing.

They're from the product of the session where Love-hate is a thing.

Not to mention that Love-Hate is completely a fucking thing we have already without the help of Trolls anyway sooooo

[Aldurin]

Now all I can think about is both of them trying to sniff each others' butts.

I wanna negarep you SO HARD. But all I can really do is throw the metaphorical pistol at you and hope it hits your face.

[rpgdemon]

Now I feel kinda bad for Jack, especially if he just gets shown stabs.

[Fifthfiend]

Come on Parcelchick, eat that motherfucker's heart.

Jesus christ Hussie do the right thing for once in your worthless goddamn life

[Art of Hilt]

Come on Parcelchick, eat that motherfucker's heart.
Jesus christ Hussie do the right thing for once in your worthless goddamn life

Technically
Since Noir is flashing a little heart symbol
Then when PM tries to kill him, it would be like she is metaphorically eating his heart, the heart being love
Basically Hussie is some species of dick genie and this is him granting your wish

[Mr.Bookworm]

Wait

wait

Wouldn't a spade-symbol be <3-, not <3<?

[BitVyper]

No. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Aceofspades.svg/170px-Aceofspades.svg.png)

[Revising Ocelot]

Well, unrequited quadrant staring is still a stalemate. Just the typical subversion of an actual fight we should have expected from Hussie, who hates fights.

That, or PM will get her stabs on in the next few panels because they're incompatible. The pains of omnipoterrier-relationships.

[Flarecobra]

Bluh.

PM, take him down while he's immobilized by love!

[Revising Ocelot]

PHHPPPBBB (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=038.jpg)

My interpretation is that Sollux is going to make a huge mess.

[rpgdemon]

Well, this seems to thus far be paralleling Vriska's <3 "GET SMACKED IN THE FACE" thing from before, so I feel like that parallel will continue.

[Locke cole]

So hey! Blood and Rage hoodies are out.

Rage just looks odd...

[rpgdemon]

Rage is an angry dude with bushy eyebrows, a beard, and muttonchops.

Duh.

[Locke cole]

Well, there are worse ways to signify rage.

D:<

[Intern Nin]

Rage kind of looks like a Rorschach test that resembles an angry clown face to me.

[rpgdemon]

Personally, I would have gone with a stylized flame.

[Kerensky287]

Rage kind of looks like a Rorschach test that resembles an angry clown face to me.

Really? It looks like my father going after my mother with a chainsaw before taking a scalpel and writing "MISTAKE" into my chest, and then it's also every girl that ever turned me down and the body of my pet puppy covered in bloody tire marks to me.

EDIT: In all seriousness it does sort of look like an angry santa.

[Fifthfiend]

It looks like a piece of shit people are going to buy because they're nerds.

[Ryong]

Rage definitely could've been better.

...Doom also reminds me of Rice Boy.

[Amake]

I'm seeing an angry Mr T with somewhat Fu Manchu-inspired eyebrows and sideburns. And no mohawk.

Though I think it's supposed to show rage twisting and turning in on itself and at the same time feeding on itself to grow and spiral out of control. While also being made up of angry clown makeup. Probably it tries to do too many things at once because Hussie wants us to think Gamzee is so very important to the story. (Which I think is a mislead.)

[Art of Hilt]

Every suggestion that Gamzee is "important" is always something to do with Lord English.
All that clown shit? Because of his religion and its two "Mirthful Messiahs", who are Doc Scratch and Lord English.
Even the scene where he is supposed to be the most important character at the Critical Moment actually has Lil Cal sitting on his lap.
Gamzee is a big red herring for whose sinister nature is all attributable to Lord English and his presence.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I sort of assumed that Karkat and Gamzee were the mirthful Messiahs. Gamzee made Cal, which made Scratch, who orchestrated the end of the Blue Universe, and Karkat created a faulty Genesis Frog which resulted in a universe fated to die. These doomed universes heralded LE's arrival, but there are actually a lot of possible interpretations.

[Art of Hilt]

Hussie's tumblr suggests that Gamzee's entire religion is actually, in part, designed by Lord English.

http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/12341136347/le-factoids

Why’s LE honking like Gamzee???

If you’re prepared to be very literal, you might believe LE’s honking is a symptom of Gamzee’s influence in some way, due to time shenanigans or what have you. Examined logically, it’s the other way around. On LE’s arrival, he releases the vast honk Gamzee’s religion foretold. LE has always been around influencing troll culture from the start, and it seems he was always the embodiment of the mirthful messiahs the highbloods worshiped, since he was really two beings, Doc Scratch and LE, both “mirthful” puppet-based entities, in their own ways. Gamzee’s honking, the humorous brutality of the subjugglators and their dark spiritual beliefs, all could be traced to LE. The vast honk clip was actually a heavily modified sound clip of a bike horn, like one of Gamzee’s, slowed way down. First a small honk from the squeeze, then a big one from the unsqueeze. Sounds a lot like the noise the tripods made in War of the Worlds, which has me convinced those were made from slowed down bike horns too.

The main thing about the Mirthful Messiahs is that, like Gamzee thought, they're both one person. His only mistake is assuming that person was himself, when it was actually Doc Scratch/Lord English, who technically share the same body.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

So the Horrorterrors are from the universe before the trolls, right?

They must have gone through a similar cycle of Failed session which is scratched to corrupted session. Feferi's Lusus Gl'bgolyb takes on the same role as the Imperial Condescension does in the two respective kids universes. Scratch specifically mentions her being a gift to the Troll race, instrumental in putting their species on the path to the second troll session's conditions.

I'm confused though, because her Imperial Condescension's lack of capacity to manipulate events within the first instance of the kids session makes pretty good sense because she's a relatively small and powerless individual... but how on Earth did the first session of trolls go anywhere near normally if G'bgolyb was around and acting in English's interests for it?

[Bard The 5th LW]

So the Horrorterrors are from the universe before the trolls, right?

We've had no real confirmation of this besides Karkat mentioning 48 zodiac signs in the troll universe and Hussie joking about a 48 player squiddle session.

[Arcanum]

Ummm the Horrorterrors are from The Furthest Ring, the area outside of the sessions. And they've been there since before (if that concept can even be applied in The Furthest Ring) the Green Sun existed as shown in [S]Cascade.

Also, Gl'bgolyb wasn't present in the pre-scratch Troll-verse, since it was a "sentience warming gift" from Doc Scratch.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Ummm the Horrorterrors are from The Furthest Ring, the area outside of the sessions. And they've been there since before (if that concept can even be applied in The Furthest Ring) the Green Sun existed as shown in [S]Cascade.
That's where they are now, but I don't think it's ever been confirmed that they always lived there or, given the nature of time within the furthest ring that they've even arrived there yet from a linear point of view.

I'm making assumptions and conjectures, but I think it makes a ton of sense. Especially given how much Hussie loves his patterns and callbacks. Gl'bgolyb and Condense seemingly fit the same purpose within the sessions, and if I'm right then likewise I think we'll find out that Gl'bgolyb is a survivor of the species that created the trolls within their session.



Also, Gl'bgolyb wasn't present in the pre-scratch Troll-verse, since it was a "sentience warming gift" from Doc Scratch.

I think that's the big problem with the theory.

[Revising Ocelot]

Looks like Jack actually is seizing the opportunity rather than getting dragged into a fight.

[Arcanum]

For those too lazy to translate the morse code:

COWARD

[BitVyper]

Looks like Jack actually is seizing the opportunity rather than getting dragged into a fight.

I think it's more that he just can't fight her.

That's where they are now, but I don't think it's ever been confirmed that they always lived there or, given the nature of time within the furthest ring that they've even arrived there yet from a linear point of view.

No you can actually see them there in Cascade before Dave and Rose create the Green Sun.

[Bard The 5th LW]

If anything, this seems to prove Terezi's prediction correct.

[Arcanum]

No you can actually see them there in Cascade before Dave and Rose create the Green Sun.

To be fair though, my original point doesn't make much sense considering how the concept of time works in the Furthest Ring. Like, Dave and Rose weren't in there for that long and they reached the point in "time" when the Green Sun didn't exist.

It's just that we literally have no clue how when or why the Horrorterrors reached the Furthest Ring, or if they were there all along.

[IHateMakingNames]

Jack leaving to follow the kids matches Doc Scratch/Terezi's prediction. Instead of fighting Vriska right away, he followed her momentary fairy trail to find the other trolls first. Now, instead of doing whatever to PM, he's following the momentary Green Sun birth to find the trolls.

[Arcanum]

If I were a Cancer (and eager to display it around my neck) this (http://whatpumpkin.com/sufferer-necklace.html) would probably be pretty cool.

I don't know why someone would buy this (http://whatpumpkin.com/spiro-necklace.html) though.

edit-

Other than like
It looks like a piece of shit people are going to buy because they're nerds.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

No you can actually see them there in Cascade before Dave and Rose create the Green Sun.

You can also see a Dave and Rose there in Cascade before Dave and Rose create The Green Sun.

[Viridis]

If I were a Cancer (and eager to display it around my neck) this (http://whatpumpkin.com/sufferer-necklace.html) would probably be pretty cool.Waaaay ahead of you (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2383368/sufferer.JPG).

Gotten by one of my girlfriends for me months and months ago (I think it wasn't long after the thing with the Sufferer) from some store I can't remember.



Out of all the new stuff to drop recently, all I could see myself getting is the Life shirt.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The spirograph pendant looks neat but I'm not sure if I'd get it. I already have 2 t-shirts which I think is enough.

[Arcanum]

Because you jerks aren't translating this stuff and I know some of you are as lazy as I want to be:

PLEASE

HELP HIM

[Bard The 5th LW]

Looks to me that PM might give WV the ring. THEN he can get proper killing done against Noir.

[Loyal]

One line:

You eat a weird bug and don't even care.

[Arcanum]

Looks to me that PM might give WV the ring. THEN he can get proper killing done against Noir.

I'm thinking the same thing. Yeah sure there's a size difference between claw-sized hole in the gut and sword-sized hole in the gut, but I'm sure the ring's transformation and first guardian powers won't have a problem filling the gap.

[BitVyper]

You can also see a Dave and Rose there in Cascade before Dave and Rose create The Green Sun.

Yes you can. Because they're there at a point when the Green Sun doesn't exist. The gods probably (but not definitely) are too.

I mean yeah, this in no way refutes that the gods could be other players, although I'd expect them to be further removed from the troll universe if they are. However, at this point they'd probably essentially be as old as the concept of universes, which makes them pretty different from just some god tier players. There are things in the narrative that suggest this could be true, but nothing really solid yet.

[Art of Hilt]

Noir is running away? For fuck's sake. The meteor is supposed to be safe by now.
If Noir doesn't get distracted by Horrorterrors and start slaughtering them madly then I don't know.

[Aldurin]

That would be his best fate. Trapped forever in a place of unstable space and time, relentlessly killing horrific squiddlemonsters using less-than-omnipotent superpowers.

[Art of Hilt]

What I'm hoping DOESN'T happen is that he catches up to the trolls and manages to murder someone likable while they're not paying attention.

[Locke cole]

Well, Something was/will be/The Outer Ring does not care about time/is killing the Horrorterros. Might well be Bec Noir. He may realize that he's about to fly into a fight with three god-class foes, and may instead decide to take a hard right into god knows where and when, and start killing Horrorterrors to pass the space.

[Revising Ocelot]

He may realize that he's about to fly into a fight with three god-class foes, and may instead decide to take a hard right into god knows where and when, and start killing Horrorterrors to pass the space.

Three? There's Aradia, and maybe Gamzee, and... uh... ShineVampireShine?

I think the Green Sun beacon will dissipate on the way and so Jack ends up lost in the Furthest Ring. And hey, a lot of thingies floating around here. Might as well show them your stabs while you work out which way to go. (Unless it's LE killing the horrorterrors. Cue andthenwhat.gif)

[BitVyper]

A6 will probably still be shorter than A5. But it could wind up being close.

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welp, here's to a decade of Homestuck.

I hope year four is the Vriska chronicles.

[Geminex]

My money's on 4 years, 1 month, 3 days.
And, if he's real pedantic, 6 hours and 12 minutes.

[BitVyper]

No see, you don't get it; consider the following in no particular order:

1. Hussie has always underestimated or understated how long things would be. usually by quite a lot.
2. Each individual part always becomes longer than intended and makes subsequent parts longer due to its expansion of the story.
3. Several months ago, Hussie was saying Act 6 would be even shorter than Act 4.
4. Now Act 6 is barely started, and he's saying it will be almost as long as Act 5.
6. Act 6 is very likely going to have multiple intermissions.
7. Intermissions have generally been the points at which Hussie went on way longer than he intended. Probably due to having less of a set course.

Act 6 is never going to end. It's going to be at least twelve times the size of Act 5, and introduce twenty times as many characters.

And I am so sincerely excited about this, you have no idea.

[Revising Ocelot]

And 75% of them will be dead by the end, while Hussie does multiple Conga flashes.

There will be no recaps. Only grave dancing.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Some people dislike Hussie for that. I just love him more and more everytime he makes someone ragequit Homestuck.

[Revising Ocelot]

"My favourite joke is the one played on the reader."
— Brian Clevinger

[Geminex]

"My favourite joke is the one played on the reader."
— Brian Clevinger

That sounds like something a dick would say. Who is this clevinger dude anyway.

[Revising Ocelot]

Dunno. Probably some troll.

[Flarecobra]

Man, Serenity is one vindictive little bug.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its pretty much safe to assume that every time Andrew makes an estimate of time, its gonna be longer than what his estimate is.

[Aldurin]

You're just not perceiving the estimates from his rate of time within paradox space. To him, each act lasts about half an hour.

[Fifthfiend]

You're just not perceiving the estimates from his rate of time within paradox space. To him, each act lasts about half an hour.

Cocaine is like that, yeah.

[Kerensky287]

Three? There's Aradia, and maybe Gamzee, and... uh... ShineVampireShine?

Three god tiers. Aradia, Dave and Rose.

Two of whom are Time players, by the by.

[Arcanum]

And really they only need one time player to lock him while the rest proceed to beat him to a pulp.

Anyway I doubt Jack can catch up to the meteor since if Sollux is pushing it as hard as his ancestor then they're going faster than light, whereas Jack will probably be limited by the speed of light like Jade.

The likely outcome seems to be that he will be the one murdering the Horrorterrors.

[BitVyper]

Yeah, but Vriska was/is still probably the most powerful god tier excepting Jade, and even she, going all out, was only barely keeping pace with how quickly Jack could regenerate.

And really they only need one time player to lock him while the rest proceed to beat him to a pulp.

Aradia could barely hold him for a few seconds.

[Marc v4.0]

IF Jade and John manage to make it to the Sun on time as well, Jack's fucked all over.

[BitVyper]

IF Jade and John manage to make it to the Sun on time as well, Jack's fucked all over.

Jade and John aren't going to the Green Sun as far as I can recall. My understanding is that everyone is going to go to THEM once they're in the new universe.

But yeah, at this point John is probably around the same level as Vriska - maybe a bit higher or lower - and Jack would be eight kinds of fucked in a matchup with Jade. I mean he would probably have even or even better odds if not for the fact that he's still got Bec's loyalty to her.

[Marc v4.0]

Jade and John aren't going to the Green Sun as far as I can recall. My understanding is that everyone is going to go to THEM once they're in the new universe.

But yeah, at this point John is probably around the same level as Vriska - maybe a bit higher or lower - and Jack would be eight kinds of fucked in a matchup with Jade. I mean he would probably have even or even better odds if not for the fact that he's still got Bec's loyalty to her.

I would actually put Jack's odds much lower against Jade, only for the fact that Jack is only tapping what power the Ring lets him take and Jade is directly connected to it now.

This is assuming the Ring has an upper limit to just how powerful it can make you, but I am willing to bet that it isn't a direct 1-to-1 deal. I can't see Jack being able to take on a real Guardian at all.

[Art of Hilt]

Yeah, but Vriska was/is still probably the most powerful god tier excepting Jade, and even she, going all out, was only barely keeping pace with how quickly Jack could regenerate.

Aradia could barely hold him for a few seconds.

Assuming the meteor is already in the Furthest Ring, it's possible Noir is not a threat at all whatsoever, since you can't use Green Sun powers in the Furthest Ring according to Jade.

Take away Jack's FG powers and what you get is some regular end-boss versus, worst case scenario, four top-echeladder players.

[BitVyper]

since you can't use Green Sun powers in the Furthest Ring according to Jade.

No you can, you just can't teleport to it. That's all Jade was saying. He SHOULD be a lot slower getting there than everyone else, but come to think of it, that doesn't actually matter very much unless he misses the beacon and gets lost. If he follows the beacon, he'll arrive at the same time they do anyway.

I would actually put Jack's odds much lower against Jade, only for the fact that Jack is only tapping what power the Ring lets him take and Jade is directly connected to it now.

Everything we've seen indicates that the ring grants the absolute maximum of abilities. Plus while Jade has space powers on top of her abilities, Jack also has three other prototypings powering him up, and was stated to be deadlier than a First Guardian previously.

The ring ALSO seems to let him express his power a lot more violently with things like Red Miles.

[POS Industries]

Yeah, but Vriska was/is still probably the most powerful god tier excepting Jade
We don't really know how true that is, though. Especially considering that Rose potentially has the combined movesets of Terezi and Vriska, for instance, and even pre-god tier she was the only other character besides Vriska to put up anything resembling a real fight against him that didn't involve an Auto-Harley defensive strategy.

Aradia could barely hold him for a few seconds.
If they even need that long to kill him if they work together.

[BitVyper]

Especially considering that Rose potentially has the combined movesets of Terezi and Vriska, for instance

I highly doubt that she just plain has two powersets. More likely she interacts with fortune in a manner similar to how Terezi interacts with the mind (but obviously better, since she's god tier). We've seen this demonstrated in how Rose guided her friends previously - it seems like she knows who should be doing what based on where their fortunes lie. Obviously this would be amped up at the god tier level, and she'd probably have other powers as well, but most likely not a whole lot like Vriska's powerset. Vriska just straight steals all the fortune and makes it her own. It is very much bound up with the first part of her title.

Either way, she was indicated to be extremely powerful due to having the xp rewards for playing most of her session and defeating the Black King as a god tier. Rose and Dave are freshly minted god tiers, and unless they've gotten rewarded for creating the Green Sun (which happened before they were revived), they are roughly around the same level as John when he got stabbed by Jack. Magic wands are clearly a whole other thing, since even Eridan's power output went way up when he was using one, and she didn't really put up anything resembling a fight against Jack so much as she just managed to not get immediately stabbed.

I mean, all three working together probably have a chance, sure, but it is very far off from being a sure thing.

[BitVyper]

Also I have a feeling that timestop/stab probably wouldn't work so hot. We've seen with that one Felt how localized time disturbances affect wounds received. Conversely, the Green Sun probably doesn't really give a fuck about time as far as regenerating Jack goes. It's great for messing with him, but at low levels I'm not sure it would be especially effective for actually beating him.

Edit: I'm betting at least part of Rose's god tier powers are something along the lines of Action Man's "amp it up" deal.

[Ryong]

Rose potentially has the combined movesets of Terezi and Vriska

Seers have the ability to see what others cannot - usually the future - but combined with their element, with Light being luck I'd say Rose is able to see both favourable and unfavourable outcomes and thus decide the best course of action...But not the way Terezi did. What Terezi saw was altered by her mind, to fit with her way of thinking.

Rose, also wouldn't have the power to steal luck nor does she have the absurdly cheaty dice.

I'm not entirely sure Jade isn't already much stronger than Vriska. I guess she needs some better equipment, though.

Take away Jack's FG powers and what you get is some regular end-boss versus, worst case scenario, four top-echeladder players.

Compared to the trolls' endboss, nah. Bro doesn't really have anything but superspeed - and maybe superstrength - and he nearly won, without presumably having any levels whatsoever.

Edit: Fuck Ninja'd. This is what happens when you start to post and alt tab to TVtropes.

[BitVyper]

I'm not entirely sure Jade isn't already much stronger than Vriska.

Jade is obviously heaps stronger than Vriska at this point. Like it was pretty much stated by Doc Scratch that Jack had an enormous power advantage against her, and Jade is at the very least around equal to Jack at this point.

[POS Industries]

they are roughly around the same level as John when he got stabbed by Jack. Magic wands are clearly a whole other thing, and she didn't really put up anything resembling a fight against Jack so much as she just managed to not get immediately stabbed.
Magic wands are nothing. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005532) They were just a means perceived by the characters of channeling whatever power the player has been granted throughout the game. Eridan was just blasting people with his own angelic hope magic, and Rose was channeling the dark energies of the horrorterrors, but the wands themselves had little to do with it themselves. Rose could have very well done the same things with the bronzed vacuum cleaner.

Seers have the ability to see what others cannot - usually the future - but combined with their element, with Light being luck I'd say Rose is able to see both favourable and unfavourable outcomes and thus decide the best course of action...But not the way Terezi did. What Terezi saw was altered by her mind, to fit with her way of thinking.
It's still the same ability in terms of practicality, only being accomplished through a different sort of in-game magical element and, as a god tier, Rose is undoubtedly able to naturally do it better.

Rose, also wouldn't have the power to steal luck nor does she have the absurdly cheaty dice.
The absurdly cheaty dice and the specibus with which to wield them are currently traveling at warp speed to her exact location.

[BitVyper]

Note that Doc Scratch never directly stated anything, and his indirect statements are notoriously unreliable. However yes, I agree that the wands are probably just channeling Rose's power. I think there's more to it than that, and that it necessarily invites external influences to act on her, but basically yes, it's a means of channeling her ability. I don't think she can channel it that way without them. At least she couldn't before - she might be able to as a god tier, but I don't think it will be the same energy-blast type business. I think the wands were letting her excersize the raw power of her ability whereas her god tier powers would focus it into abilities related to her role, probably to ultimately greater effect. Much like how an essence cannon lets an Exalted throw a whole lot of raw power out there, but ultimately their charms, while not as direct an application of their ability, are vastly superior. And it had better be, because as I stated, she was doing fuck all to Jack with her power before.

[Art of Hilt]

No you can, you just can't teleport to it. That's all Jade was saying.

No I'm pretty sure it's not just the case of "Can't teleport to the Green Sun" specifically, otherwise Jade would just teleport from one window to the other. They can't teleport at all outside the Sun's domain. I'll admit that I'm overextending this one new rule to mean that they can't use their powers at all, although I don't understand how that'd work. I mean, when you say that an area is "not the sun's domain", then it sounds like all Green Sun powers are out of the question, not just teleportation.

[BitVyper]

No I'm pretty sure it's not just the case of "Can't teleport to the Green Sun" specifically, otherwise Jade would just teleport from one window to the other.

Well yeah, but what you said was "you can't use Green Sun power in the Furthest Ring," which has nothing to do with Jade's ability to teleport while outside the Green Sun's influence. Nothing has been stated to suggest that Jack would just lose all of his power in the Furthest Ring. The narrative hasn't even suggested that he wouldn't be able to use teleportation while there, just that he would be limited to local teleportation as he is anywhere else. Jade is in a whole different situation from where Jack is headed.

[Locke cole]

By the way, Jack probably still wouldn't be able to bring himself to harm Jade. That's still a thing.

[Ryong]

Jade is obviously heaps stronger than Vriska at this point. Like it was pretty much stated by Doc Scratch that Jack had an enormous power advantage against her, and Jade is at the very least around equal to Jack at this point.

...But Vriska would've won with Ancestral Awakening? Like, she was top of her godtier, had the dice and could cheat. Her death couldn't really have happened in another way.

Magic wands are nothing. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005532) They were just a means perceived by the characters of channeling whatever power the player has been granted throughout the game. Eridan was just blasting people with his own angelic hope magic, and Rose was channeling the dark energies of the horrorterrors, but the wands themselves had little to do with it themselves. Rose could have very well done the same things with the bronzed vacuum cleaner.

It's still the same ability in terms of practicality, only being accomplished through a different sort of in-game magical element and, as a god tier, Rose is undoubtedly able to naturally do it better.

The absurdly cheaty dice and the specibus with which to wield them are currently traveling at warp speed to her exact location.

Wands work just like any other weapon, I'd say, except it uses inner magic instead of, like, inner strength.

And the dice, well, Rose will have to wait until she sees an opportune situation where they'll have a good result. So, really, she knows when the good rolls will happen, but won't have any control over when.

So, yeah, not the combined powers of Vriska and Terezi.

[Malek]

I half expect Jade is going to run into Jack and pap-shoosh (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005990) him into submission.

[BitVyper]

...But Vriska would've won with Ancestral Awakening?

Possibly. She seemed to be doing pretty good, and Doc Scratch said he wouldn't bet against her. There are factors beyond outright power, of course. Vriska had enough power to be able to challenge Jack, and the nature of her power combined with the Flourite Octet, and probably most importantly, her obsessive competitiveness (as specifically cited by Doc Scratch) all played into it as well.

[Art of Hilt]

The narrative hasn't even suggested that he wouldn't be able to use teleportation while there, just that he would be limited to local teleportation as he is anywhere else. Jade is in a whole different situation from where Jack is headed.

JADE: and once we leave the suns domain, our travel is limited by the speed of light, like everyone else!
JADE: for example, the furthest ring is not in the suns domain
JADE: it is more like the suns medium, allowing it to exist
JADE: so if i wanted to fly out of our session and travel to the green sun, i would have to make my way there through the furthest ring at the speed of light or less
JADE: and wherever we are now is not in the suns domain either
JADE: so the same rules apply

???
It sounds like it's the exact same thing going on. They can't teleport at all because they're not in the Green Sun's domain in both the Furthest Ring and Hussie's study.

[POS Industries]

I don't think she can channel it that way without them. At least she couldn't before - she might be able to as a god tier, but I don't think it will be the same energy-blast type business. I think the wands were letting her excersize the raw power of her ability whereas her god tier powers would focus it into abilities related to her role, probably to ultimately greater effect. Much like how an essence cannon lets an Exalted throw a whole lot of raw power out there, but ultimately their charms, while not as direct an application of their ability, are vastly superior. And it had better be, because as I stated, she was doing fuck all to Jack with her power before.
Well, previously she was using the wands to channel a power ultimately unrelated to her role. It wasn't her power so much as power given to her by the horrrorterrors, which while doing a great deal to get her ahead of the game combat-wise, likely pales in comparison to what her power alone is capable of.

Had she considered doing it at the time, blasting Jack with the power of light might have been far more effective. Hard to say, really.

I would note, however, that just as Aradia and (probably) Dave no longer needed the use of items to use their time powers after going god tier, so too would Rose have no need for items to focus her own power. And as both she and Terezi have been shown using their seer powers unaided even without going god tier, it remains to be seen just what all she can do with the light aspect of her role.

And the dice, well, Rose will have to wait until she sees an opportune situation where they'll have a good result. So, really, she knows when the good rolls will happen, but won't have any control over when.

So, yeah, not the combined powers of Vriska and Terezi.
Being a seer is less about being at the mercy of the future and more about seeing all potentialities and acting to bring about the most beneficial outcome. And while Rose doesn't have the overt "luck stealing" ability that Vriska had as a thief, she still has the capability to affect probability due to her light aspect, so the combination of abilities inherent in her role would still afford her a proactive capability, as she can lead the flow of events toward opportunities where she'd make good rolls.

The route taken is different, but the outcome is ultimately the same as what a Vriska/Terezi combination could accomplish.

...Which of course proves how little she'd really need the Lightdoken after all.

[Locke cole]

I'm not sure if her power is the ability to affect probability. Being a Seer, it may be that she can see probability.. Which could itself be very useful, especially since it also appears to have some x-ray vision powers, even when she wasn't Grimdark or on a God-Tier.

Now watch all this speculation come to naught when it turns out that being a Seer of Light actually means you have laser-eyes.

[POS Industries]

Now watch all this speculation come to naught when it turns out that being a Seer of Light actually means you have laser-eyes.
Best possible outcome, IMHO.

[Ecks]

I think the synaptic causality thing is unique to Terezi as a Seer of Mind. I am not certain how Mind powers would work with another hero archetype (a Thief of Mind perhaps might be able to "steal" someone's secrets, or an Heir might have telepathy) nor how Seer powers with other cosmic faculties would work either. Hopefully someday we may get an explanation as to how the non-straightforward ones (everything that isn't Light, Breath, Time, and Space) would work (yeah we got to see what Terezi is capable of but I'd like an overview just the same what things Mind does in general).

[Arcanum]

I dunno if any of you keep up with Hussie's Tumblr but I tend to check in on occasion out of sheer boredom and it seems he answered a bunch of fan questions. One of which being:

Did you realize that you got time dilation backwards in the intermission(assuming, of course, that paradox space even vaguely resembles special relativity)?

He gives a bunch of different answers but claims his preferred one is this:

The real answer: Homestuck-time and real-time have always been married in a strange way. I started it on 4/13/09, and by my own rule, that became locked in as the date in the story too. And then it became stuck there, for one day of Homestuck-time, while real-time flowed normally for two and a half years. When they scratched the game and reset the universe, it was time for me to start over too. So again by my own rule, I put up the first pages of the new story and grafted the story date to the real date, 11/11/11. The new kids, in a way, have been waiting almost 3 years since the beginning of Homestuck to take their place in the story, and have aged accordingly. They have done their time in the shadows, living uneventfully. And now the stated objective of the original kids is to join the new game. It is apparently John and Jade’s turn to wait, in sort of a prolonged narrative hybernation, while we spend time expanding on the new kids and their Very Long Day. If they are to eventually meet, it will be as approximate equals in age, and no, not so that everybody can get busy kissin’ or whatever. For more fundamental reasons, that have to do with the way HS-time relates to real-time, and essentially repairing the schism between these two clocks which resulted from the fact that about 24 hours of story took nearly three years to make.

And understanding that, I think the explanation that works best is not necessarily a physical, relativistic one, but more of a metaphysical idea. That when they crashed through the wall, they have presumably entered the real world, albeit for only 1 yard from our vantage. They have gone from HS-time to real-time. Given the schism between clocks, you could say they are faced with a rush of lost time, all at once. Like massive temporal wind resistance. So in crossing the yellow yard, they are forced to live every second that passed here in the real world which they did not experience in their fictional adventure. It’s the toll they have to pay before breaking through the other side and joining the others.

As I said, this is the explanation I prefer. But there are a bunch of ways to approach the issue.

Here's a link (http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/14210746202/mad-answerins) if anyone wants to read the other questions and answers.

[POS Industries]

I can't even come up with a coherent expression of how completely fucking retarded that is.

Like, I'm actually angry about this. I'm mad that some webcomic characters I've become attached to are being forced to spend the next three years of their lives literally sitting there waiting to be allowed back into the story for ultimately arbitrary reasons. I'm mad that, if we do the math here, we're being told that it will be roughly six months until we get the goddamn main characters back. And I'm even more mad that I'm mad about something so silly.

Just, goddamn, what the fuck?

[Marc v4.0]

I'm pissed off that you're mad, so I don't know either man

[POS Industries]

I guess the thing is that I used to describe Homestuck as "like Lost, but actually enjoyable" whereas now I'm starting to realize that Homestuck is just Lost.

[Ryong]

He gives a bunch of different answers but claims his preferred one is this:


Here's a link (http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/14210746202/mad-answerins) if anyone wants to read the other questions and answers.

So, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIT?

[Arcanum]

So, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIT?

Yeah pretty much.

[Kerensky287]

I'm fine with it. Maybe the characters will find something useful to do with their time.

Hell, Jade's carrying the entire game with her. Maybe she and John have some side-quests to go on. And with the Trolls/Dave/Rose all meeting up, they might have some things to accomplish too. It won't necessarily be 3 years of solid waiting.

[Arcanum]

You know, instead of them sitting there doing nothing, this actually gives us a chance to learn about the Denizens, and possibly have John and Jade interact with them. If that happens then I'm totally cool with everything.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Strikes me as a pretty pointless plot point. The Time skip had better serve an actual purpose aside from making them all older.

e: at the very least, they're immortal so they aren't losing any sort of natural lifespan, but it doesn't change the fact that they're being separated from the rest of their friends (although Dream Bubbles may provide some communication)

[POS Industries]

I guess my major problem with it is that we're fastforwarding through three years of character development. Yes, we'll get intermissions like these sprinkled through where we'll see what they're up to and learn a bit about game mechanics like frog breeding and denizens, but either they're going to come out of that span of time changed (which is what people realistically do in those years) or we're to believe that they are to remain more or less the same, except drawn taller and, for some, curvier.

I just don't feel like Jane and her friends having gone about the past two and half years of their lives living their lives and developing their individual friendships until their introduction in the story equates to the four original kids spending the next three years of their lives marooned and separated. Add the fact that doing so is not based in any in-story reasoning but, in fact, requires an absurd amount of suspension of disbelief to even work, and the whole thing just screams "bad writing."

[Arcanum]

I figured it out. Hussie is only doing this so he doesn't have to deal with them going through http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw5mbcc7xP1qcve1z.gif

Also there's this whole thing (http://gangbangthehalls.tumblr.com/post/14177148579/hey-look-its-me-stretching-your-dash-again) if anyone cares about silly fan-art/fiction

[Red Mage Black]

Then again, he may just make the excuse that since they're God-Tier, they're not only effectively immortal, but they never age from whenever they reached it. Just so he doesn't have to draw them any differently.

[Fifthfiend]

I guess my major problem with it is that we're fastforwarding through three years of character development. Yes, we'll get intermissions like these sprinkled through where we'll see what they're up to and learn a bit about game mechanics like frog breeding and denizens, but either they're going to come out of that span of time changed (which is what people realistically do in those years) or we're to believe that they are to remain more or less the same, except drawn taller and, for some, curvier.

I just don't feel like Jane and her friends having gone about the past two and half years of their lives living their lives and developing their individual friendships until their introduction in the story equates to the four original kids spending the next three years of their lives marooned and separated. Add the fact that doing so is not based in any in-story reasoning but, in fact, requires an absurd amount of suspension of disbelief to even work, and the whole thing just screams "bad writing."

But my other animes do it all the time

[Marc v4.0]

Update.

That wasn't really a surprise

[Aldurin]

So is he now half-dead and half-more-dead?

[Revising Ocelot]

He's probably just going to float up behind them with his escaped dream bubble ghost-self and be all 'what's the big deal'.

[POS Industries]

But my other animes do it all the time
Well when you put it that way I can't wait for Homestuck Shippuden Alien Force GT.

[Ryong]

Don't forget Kanaya bit him before, so he'll be a ghost lightpire.

Edit: Wait no, it didn't work like that on Feferi and now I don't remember if she actually bit Sollux.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Locke cole]

And she bit Terezi to no effect.

[Arhra]

I was entertained by the idea the new universe is two and a half years further along since it would mean that their guardians are still a little more senior to the kids.

Little disappointing that apparently they're not going to cheat the travel time somehow.

EDIT: Wait a second, couldn't they just dig up a transportaliser from somewhere and use that to get everyone together?

[Fifthfiend]

Well when you put it that way I can't wait for Homestuck Shippuden Alien Force GT.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2772/egbertz.jpg

Believe it!

[Marc v4.0]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/fucknutz.jpg

Fucknuts!

FTFY

[Ryong]

Karkat: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAWL BAAAAAA-
*Gamzee points*

Where's that image of Karkat going :O?

[rpgdemon]

Update.

He's probably just going to float up behind them with his escaped dream bubble ghost-self and be all 'what's the big deal'.

Heh.

[Ryong]

I'm still not very sure having Gamzee around is a good idea.

[Arcanum]

Hahahaha oh man Gamzee is so chill now, it's great.

[Solid Snake]

Rose and Kanaya have met! <3 <3

EDIT: I love the irony wherein recent plot developments have sent me to POS' state of mind, and POS to my usual state of hatin'.

[Aldurin]

Those sun textures . . .

[Revising Ocelot]

What, I predicted something correctly for once?

I am gravely disappointed with myself.

[Locke cole]

I like how Sollux's corpse and the half-dead Aradia-groupie Sollux have reversed eyes.

[POS Industries]

I love the irony wherein recent plot developments have sent me to POS' state of mind, and POS to my usual state of hatin'.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/posindustries/facepalm/1308074463107.gif

[BitVyper]

I doubt we'll just be ignoring what happens in the three years it takes them to get to the other window. I have a feeling this act will be peppered with bits from whatever they're doing.

[Revising Ocelot]

Update.

:0

[Bard The 5th LW]

So is John going to leap through to the Green Sun like Aradia did with Jack?

Still leaves Jade stranded to an extent.... I guess she has Nanna, Jaspers, Grandpa, and Davesprite though?

[POS Industries]

Jade is the best suited to a life of relative solitude, if that happened to be the case.

[Fifthfiend]

It's probably best for John, it can't take more than 6 months or so before she starts dropping casual remarks about whether he'd ever considered having himself stuffed and mounted.

[POS Industries]

Plus I doubt she's going to want anyone around if she starts dragging her butt across the deck of the ship.

[Locke cole]

I thought she couldn't do First Guardiany teleport things and such while in a realm outside of the Green Sun's system?

[POS Industries]

Dawwww, John and Jade are in wuuuuuuuv.

[Arcanum]

I thought she couldn't do First Guardiany teleport things and such while in a realm outside of the Green Sun's system?

Well she can't, but she still acts as a gateway to the Green Sun. Next page she's probably going to suggest John can go and join the others, and then John will be all like "No way I won't leave you alone for 3 years!" and then they will suddenly remember Davesprite is still tiny.

[Locke cole]

That, or the Gift of Gab lets them talk across the dimensional divide, or Jade reminds John that he needs to craft 20 computers, like a sensible person, and contact Karkat.

[Arcanum]

The Gift of Gab is just so they can talk to each other in person in regular panels while we watch.

But yeah they still have all their alchemy gear on the planets so using old-fashioned pesterchum is a possibility. Plus I'm pretty sure John still has his Cosby headphone things in his sylladex.

[Arcanum]

Oh man, this update. I don't care if nothing important happens in the intermissions any more, as long as we get more silly banter like this.

[Loyal]

Oh John, you just have no tact whatsoever.

[Locke cole]

He's the derpiest.

Way to remind her that her love of fauna is one of the things ruined by the internet.

[Fifthfiend]

Oh John, you just have no tact whatsoever.

Also: dead wrong

[Bard The 5th LW]

Jade: yeah john I think itll be best for all of us if you just go see Dave and Rose.

[Arcanum]

Ahahahaha oh man John. No tact. At all.

[Art of Hilt]

Oh my god, oh my god, OH my GOD.
Right in his face. Right in front of EVERYONE.
These updates are the funniest John has been for literally months. Which I guess isn't saying much but it's funny enough on its own without the comparison so there we go.

[Aldurin]

John always sends the BEST mail.

[Revising Ocelot]

Welp, Ahab's Crosshairs. I was wondering if they'd get it back for repackaging with Liv Tyler.

Karkat's going to get his hatecrush back so hard. When he's done re-jaw dropping.

[POS Industries]

Last night I considered changing the thread title.

This morning I'm so glad I didn't.

[Solid Snake]

...For some reason I was absurdly glad to be reminded that Davesprite would be there to accompany Jade and John for the next three years.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I bet that when they all meet up again, Dave will ask out Jade and she will say "Sorry Dave but my heart lies with Davesprite now."

[Amake]

John always sends the BEST pail.
Fixed that for ya.

[Art of Hilt]

Oh YES we're back with these two.
Yessssss

Ariadne: The girl who gave Theseus a ball of yarn to slay the Minotaur
Surya: Hindu Sun god
Hotpotato Butterfingers: Drop it like it's hot

[Locke cole]

Heh. Ball of yarn. Nice.

[Ryong]

Dave's cape.

Also, I never noticed until now: Man do those hoods look like they don't fit at all.

[Bard The 5th LW]

These voices just strike me as perfect for some reason. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8v6fnTgFIQ&feature=related)

e: Dave's next rung is pimpslayer

[stefan]

I find it delightfully ironic that dave's cape is mostly a recolor of eridan's.

[Aldurin]

Dammit, Hussie. Just as we're getting an increase in half-dog characters. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=040.jpg)

[Revising Ocelot]

e: Dave's next rung is pimpslayer

So he's going to be the one to kill Lord English, then?



Also, Yiff. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=040.jpg)

[Arcanum]

http://ib.skaia.net/image/31131.png

[IHateMakingNames]

Good thing I checked anyway, because your post title was a lie.

I forgot how hard it is to read Terezi.

[Revising Ocelot]

TEREZI: OH, 4ND GUYS, JUST FOR TH3 S4K3 OF MULT1CULTUR4L CL4R1TY, W3 TROLLS TR34T D34TH 1TS3LF 4S 4 MYTHOLOG1C4L F1GUR3
TEREZI: H3 1S 4 M4N W1TH 4 FR1GHT3N1NG SKULL FOR 4 H34D 4ND 4 T3RR1BL3 HYPNOT1C GL4R3
TEREZI: 4LL TH3 L3G3NDS S4Y H3S GOT TH1S SUP3R FOXY H4NDM41D TO DO H1S D1RTYWORK

Come on, re-arrive already. I was expecting this intermission to end on that one panel where Dave & co. are shown, at least end it with everyone's favourite Demon Cal showing up to do, y'know, villainous stuff. Jack still looks like the main bad guy right now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Dammit Gamzee stop staring at Dave like that.

[Arcanum]

Good thing I checked anyway, because your post title was a lie.

I forgot how hard it is to read Terezi.

I checked MSPA before I checked Skaia.net and found that horror, so it was true when I wrote it, so ha!

Edit- And creamsicles Terezi. Don't forget the creamsicles

[Revising Ocelot]

Dammit Gamzee stop staring at Dave like that.

I'm more concerned with how Kanaya is looking at Rose.

Y'know, right after she had been making hungry faces at Sollux-mustard.

[Marc v4.0]

KARKAT: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

gigglesnort

[Flarecobra]

Karkat, best male troll.

[Locke cole]

Pfft. This is hilarious. Dave and Rose snarking at everything, Aradia being a death fangirl, Terezi being... "philisophical" is the wrong word... and Karkat's reaction to it all.

[BitVyper]

I wonder if Rose's mom in this universe remembered the new universe somehow. Presumably, new universe Lalonde is the other girl Jaspers wound up with, so maybe the funeral had more to do with Mom's half-remembered emotions tied up with the cat.

[Art of Hilt]

Kanaya.
We see your hungry eyes.
Step closer. You know you want to. Do it. Dooo iiit.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I was hoping for "DAVE: oh my god we are never going to stop fucking" to be the next title.

[POS Industries]

I was hoping for "DAVE: oh my god we are never going to stop fucking" to be the next title.
Suggestion accepted!

[Flarecobra]

Dammit Gamzee stop staring at Dave like that.

Would you rather have his eyes looking lower?

[BitVyper]

KARKAT: I WILL SHOOSH YOU AGAIN, SO HELP ME GOD. I WILL SHOOSH YOUR CLOWN ASS TO SHANGRI-BULLSHIT-LA AND BACK, AND FILL YOUR EAR WITH MY WHITE HOT PALEBRO SPITTLE.

Oh god, Karkat, I missed you so much.

[Locke cole]

That's all there is to be said on the matter.

KARKAT: OH! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
KARKAT: FUCKING OH.
KARKAT: AND HERE I THOUGHT THE NEW PLAN WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING INCREDIBLY STUPID AND SUICIDAL.
KARKAT: DID I SAY OH YET?
KARKAT: BECAUSE THAT'S THE SOUND I MAKE WHEN I'M FUCKING RELIEVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kanaya is also funny. Who actually wants those glasses?

[Bard The 5th LW]

And once again the best character shines once more.