Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Grimpond]

SO SAD

SO i guess I'm missing something? What's sad?

[Kim]

Jade's dream self dying.

[Grimpond]

Jade's dream self dying.

Ah. :ohdear:

I'm holding out for a MIRACULOUS SURVIVAL. :mad:

[Wigmund]

:ohdear: oh fuck


It Got Worse

[Bard The 5th LW]

Wait? Did Dream!Jade give Dream!John the White Queen's ring?

[Doc ock rokc]

Fantastic. Man I love MSPA. When I first found it i thought it was cool and it just keeps getting better and better.

[Wigmund]

Wait? Did Dream!Jade give Dream!John the White Queen's ring?

I think so...check out 3:39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCxIhSBqeqo), the ring's not on her finger when the moon smashes into Dream!Jade.

[PCD]

GOG

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

That was pretty epic. How many characters can kick how much ass in a matter of minutes? It's hard to take in just how awesome everything was, in there. Especially the Squiddlies. Anyone catch what that old guy was yelling at them in the gamebit? Because that's clearly going to be important in the later updates.

Christ I need the song in there like a hot god needs jelly.

[Mike McC]

Wait? Did Dream!Jade give Dream!John the White Queen's ring?Hussie stealth edited it back in later. Remember, this thing was MASSIVE, and he was likely working on it near nonstop for a few days.

Mistakes are bound to pop up here and there.

(Hell, there's still a minor flaw in the end of Act 3 flash)

[Doc ock rokc]

(Hell, there's still a minor flaw in the end of Act 3 flash)

Honestly if It Takes to much effort and not enough people notice it Then I don't think it matters enough to edit it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

(Hell, there's still a minor flaw in the end of Act 3 flash)

I didn't notice it. Mind pointing it out so I can take a look?

[Mike McC]

Honestly if It Takes to much effort and not enough people notice it Then I don't think it matters enough to edit it.I wasn't saying he should fix it. In fact, he very likely knows it is there (he mentioned that he was spending too much time on [S] Enter. and decided to just put it up even though there was some polish missing). Point is that he does make mistakes on these long flashes, so the theory crafting on some minor graphical details (like Jade not wearing the ring before being destroyed) should probably be reigned in for a day or so, when he has a chance to see his forums flipping out over it and go "oops".I didn't notice it. Mind pointing it out so I can take a look?http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/649/2b6201d8913cdb4d6fc040a.gif

One of the two Roses there has the wrong face (it's the smaller brighter one).

Like I said, it was minor.

[BitVyper]

I think the Trolls didn't so much screw up their game as they missed getting 100% completion. The credits roll and at the end, Eggman is still holding 3 out of 7 emeralds. Jack has all the markings of being a True Final Boss, and really, how often does the Evil King wind up being the main villain? If we're supposed to look at this like a videogame, the Black King is a pretty typical red herring. We knew about him too early on for him to wind up being the main villain.

Since dream selves seem to be less affected by timestream changes, I'm wondering if their dream selves existed before their paradox real selves. In their personal timelines, that is. Like an independent existence just based on the fact that this will one day happen. Like ripples in time or something. Makes me wonder if truly winning the game has something to do with causing their dream selves to exist outside the game.

Wasn't there a big bit of text early on that suggested things weren't quite right in John's world? If the dream self is the real one, that kind of thing would make some sense. At its core, this is still a parody of escape/adventure games.

One of the two Roses there has the wrong face (it's the smaller brighter one).

That seems like it might be an intentional stylistic choice.

[Mike McC]

I think the Trolls didn't so much screw up their game as they missed getting 100% completion. The credits roll and at the end, Eggman is still holding 3 out of 7 emeralds. Jack has all the markings of being a True Final Boss, and really, how often does the Evil King wind up being the main villain? If we're supposed to look at this like a videogame, the Black King is a pretty typical red herring. We knew about him too early on for him to wind up being the main villain.No, this is the game pretty much being shattered. WE knew about the king because the Trolls told us, and not an in-game construct (which were pointing to the denizens first).That seems like it might be an intentional stylistic choice.Nah, she had just the strained face in a shot before that, and it doesn't mesh well. I'm betting that it's just an error that's really not important enough to fix.

[katiuska]

Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea how the denizens play into all this? There are at least a few game goals that have been laid out, including:

1) killing the denizens,
2) using the grist obtained from the denizens for the Ultimate Alchemy,
3) reaching Skaia and defeating the black king and queen.

All I can guess right now is that they're more like level bosses, being the bosses of the individual planets.

[BitVyper]

WE knew about the king because the Trolls told us

We knew about the king because Nannaquin showed us right off the bat. Granted, what she showed could be leant to an abstract interpretation, but it still made the point. Here's a big obvious villain! Oh look, his psychotic underling usurped him and is a million times worse than he ever was. You'd see that coming a million miles away in a videogame.

this is the game pretty much being shattered.

Which may be the whole point.

[Donomni]

I would assume it is.

The game setting is obviously intended as a increasingly-super-impossibly elaborate game of chess(with a rank-wise addition of card games like poker, such as Jack, Queen, and King, not to mention the different suits).

At first, the Chess element is retained when the Black Queen is slain, due to the Queen not being the essential piece to a game of chess. The most powerful, perhaps, but not the piece that would mean insta-lose if lost.

The Chess motif is no longer relevant, however, when the Black King is slain by his own underling, which is impossible in Chess rules(a player could sacrifice the queen, but you cannot do the same to your king).

This new animation quite firmly cements that Jack/SS isn't in the mood for chess: Not only is he decimating both forces, he is literally destroying the playing field.

I dunno about his actual motives in full, but he really hates Chess.

[POS Industries]

The Chess motif is no longer relevant
Not true, actually. There's still one pawn left alive on the board with an item that will, for all intents and purposes, transform him into a queen on the far end of it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah, but one king has been removed from play. Unless the game counts Jack as the new Black King, then it should have ended the moment the Black King died.

The rules apply to others, but clearly not Jack. I kind of see the Agents as a separate entity from the game. They don't have to abide by the rules, as they aren't quite chess pieces.

[Kim]

Relevant...
http://i50.tinypic.com/20tjamv.gif

[POS Industries]

Yeah, but one king has been removed from play. Unless the game counts Jack as the new Black King, then it should have ended the moment the Black King died.
Well, with the Black Queen's ring, the Black King's crown, and the White King's scepter, he's at the point where he's filling numerous roles in the motif. The whole chess thing is still at work, it's just that Jack's set out to break the game with its own rules.

But if my suspicion is correct, and WV? finds the White Queen's ring, the game's rules are eventually going to come back around on top of Jack in a hard, hard way.

The rules apply to others, but clearly not Jack. I kind of see the Agents as a separate entity from the game. They don't have to abide by the rules, as they aren't quite chess pieces.
I think they may perhaps qualify in the rook/knight/bishop category.

[Donomni]

Well, with the Black Queen's ring, the Black King's crown, and the White King's scepter, he's at the point where he's filling numerous roles in the motif. The whole chess thing is still at work, it's just that Jack's set out to break the game with its own rules.

He's already broken the rules if he became the new King: While the King can be put in danger(check) destroying the king in an inescapable method ends the game then and there(checkmate). It's no longer about Prospit vs. Derse. There are no White or Black sides in the traditional sense. It's no longer a war, it's freaking chaos. I'd also assume destroying part of the board goes into the idea that this isn't chess anymore. I should rephrase this: this world is obviously chess-themed with certain rules and way things happen, but there is no way in hell they are playing a game of chess anymore(sorry, a lot of things in MSPA turn my brain into mush).

But if my suspicion is correct, and WV? finds the White Queen's ring, the game's rules are eventually going to come back around on top of Jack in a hard, hard way.

Perhaps, but it still stopped being a chess game when Jack started murdering indiscriminately. The setting is unchanged, however: Jack would be powerless at the moment if the rules of chess still didn't somehow have an effect, since his new powers are the result of those rules.

I think they may perhaps qualify in the rook/knight/bishop category.

Those types of pieces were the giant ground-based mecha things we saw before. Jack and his flunkies are probably like WV: pawns. Jack can inherit the powers of the ring, much like a pawn is traded for another piece.

Again, sorry for all the confusion: what I meant to say is that while the setting is chess-based, the situation most certainly isn't anymore.

[Mike McC]

All music traks by one Bill Bolin are now off of the Bandcamp albums. For those not in the know, there was a bit of a meltdown where Bolin got pissed at Hussie for using some of his unfinished songs (he never mentioned they were unfinished until after they were used) in [S] Rose and Dave: Shut up and jam. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003620) I'll summarize the argument the best possible way:YOU
DO
NOT
HAVE
WHAT
IT
TAKES
TO
TALK
PROFESSIONALISM
WITH
ME.

[insert grainy webcam image of Bolin flipping the camera off]Also, soon the old flashes with Bolin's music will be replaced with versions containing new music. So, if you want to save any of those pages, Just search for 'Bolin' on the Sound Credits (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/soundcredits.html) page and save the flash files.

[POS Industries]

With the exception of Nightlife, Bolin's contributions were largely forgettable anyway.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Aww, Contention is gone, I really liked that one. May as well save the page while the video is still up.

And was Bolin being serious about saying that? Because seriously, he sounds like a jerk. I probably don't understand, at all to be frank, but I see no problem with the songs. He was given credit for all of them, and he should have mentioned them not being finished.

[Mike McC]

With the exception of Nightlife, Bolin's contributions were largely forgettable anyway.Mutiny's pretty good, though the full-length version is kinda disappointing.

Toby "Radiation" Fox blows him out of the water.

[POS Industries]

Mutiny's pretty good, though the full-length version is kinda disappointing.
Not to say I don't enjoy his work, but most of it just never stood out in a way their appearances particularly memorable, and it's unlikely most people even going to really notice the difference after they're removed. Though if Nightlife is taken out of the comic as a part of his bullshit, I will be pissed.

Toby "Radiation" Fox blows him out of the water.
FUCKING SECONDED.

[BitVyper]

I'm mostly just excited to see the new music.

[Mike McC]

Though if Nightlife is taken out of the comic as a part of his bullshit, I will be pissed.It will be. It's already gone off of the albums. Hussie is removing every trace of Bolin. That included banning him and deleting all of his posts. Seriously, Hussie is pissed, something I honestly did not think was possible (he seems like the ultimate chill dude).

The MSPA forums made up a package with all the Bolin-music flashes, so you can grab that here: http://www.zshare.net/download/76967619cd4504c9/

[Loyal]

One thing I just noticed... what happened to the White Queen's ring? Jade was still wearing it...

[POS Industries]

One thing I just noticed... what happened to the White Queen's ring? Jade was still wearing it...
It's most likely on the other side of the chess board from the one pawn remaining on the field.

[Loyal]

I ... I guess that answers that. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003846)

[POS Industries]

I also retract my previous statements. There is one more pawn left on the field, and she just took down Hearts Boxcars like a champ!

[Flarecobra]

That is why one never pisses off a woman who carries sharp objects.

And would you consider AR a pawn too?

[POS Industries]

I would, but he's not on the board at the moment.

[Flarecobra]

Be interesting to see what happons with the White Queen.

[Marelo]

Aww, Contention is gone, I really liked that one. May as well save the page while the video is still up.

And was Bolin being serious about saying that? Because seriously, he sounds like a jerk. I probably don't understand, at all to be frank, but I see no problem with the songs. He was given credit for all of them, and he should have mentioned them not being finished.

Dude was a total douche, pretty much his entire time there. Trust me, I had to help clean up after him a few times.

[Mike McC]

Well, at least something (at least one thing) very worthwhile came of it in the public meltdown thread.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7983/78525e71dc386c178a1fa8e.jpg

[Bard The 5th LW]

That was incredible, and my day has been made 10x better by seeing it.

Edit: I like how Jack doesn't seem to care that one of his agents are dead. But they, maybe now we can see what is in the box.

[Grimpond]

So we're finally going to see Jade's game-breaking gift, huh. I guess Jack didn't see any further reason to keep it.

[Kim]

The box will be empty...

[Grimpond]

The box will be empty...

SHUT UP NO IT WON'T


:(

[Flarecobra]

Man, she is PISSED.

I'm...kinda scared of her.

[Viridis]

Check indeed.

Someone's making a chart of that thing's time jumps when this is all over.

[katiuska]

So, something occurred to me. If Jade's precognition come from her dream self passing through Skaia, how did she know what would happen after her dream self died? Or at the very least, how did she know John would indeed get the package?

[Mike McC]

So, something occurred to me. If Jade's precognition come from her dream self passing through Skaia, how did she know what would happen after her dream self died? Or at the very least, how did she know John would indeed get the package?Because she saw the future?

Jack's getting haughty with his newfound powers. The old Jack probably would not have gone in for the ring without first surveying for potential threats.

EDIT: Also, according to Hussie, the Sword is the Royal Deringer (De-Ringer) (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=8423&p=853568#p853568). Though he seems resigned to it being pronounced Derringer. So that makes the weapon that resembles a harpoon-gun (Jade's weapon) Ahab's Crosshairs.

[Bard The 5th LW]

When I first saw this, I was just like 'wut'. But them I thought about it, and now John getting BunnyKind makes a lot more sense.

Also raises the question of who wrote the first letter. Spades Slick perhaps!?!!!111!

[katiuska]

Because she saw the future?

Her dream self is dead. She has no apparent window into the future anymore.

[Krylo]

Her dream self wasn't seeing her dream self's present. It was seeing her dream self's future--but not all of it.

She saw John receiving the gift through seeing the future in the clouds, but she didn't see her own death, for example.

So while she won't be learning any NEW things about the future, anything her dream self already saw, she already knows.

[katiuska]

See, I was thinking Dream Jade didn't have a chance to see much of anything after she got John out of the way, but I guess there could have been some wiggle room.

[Mike McC]

See, I was thinking Dream Jade didn't have a chance to see much of anything after she got John out of the way, but I guess there could have been some wiggle room.....

When Jade's dreamself was alive, her dreamself saw the future.

She saw the future all the time. All she had to do was look at the Clouds in Skaia. They showed her the future. She did not have to be there in the future to see it.

It is a simple concept.

[Flarecobra]

You know... I think I have a theory as to who the penpal is.

Jade's Grandpa.

[Bard The 5th LW]

That seems pretty probable. I had a slight feeling that it was like, CG from further in the future, as AT said that future!Jade thought that CG was a nice guy, implying that he succumbs the human emotion of Friendship and becomes less of a prick. The letter, however, seemed to state that the writer hadn't met John. So Grandpa is a good candidate.

Or, a more outlandish theory with no logical grounding would be Lord English, as Andrew stated that he would make an appearance eventually.

[Donomni]

Considering that bunny is nothing but time-travel shenanigans, I wouldn't rule it out.

[katiuska]

....

When Jade's dreamself was alive, her dreamself saw the future.

She saw the future all the time. All she had to do was look at the Clouds in Skaia. They showed her the future. She did not have to be there in the future to see it.

It is a simple concept.

I guess I'm used to "sees the future" meaning "sees their own future," and what John sees didn't conflict with that. The flash in which Jade looks into the clouds does, but well, I only watched that once before now and never thought of it again.

[Mike McC]

You know... I think I have a theory as to who the penpal is.

Jade's Grandpa.Definately. Especially since a big clue was dropped in his letter.

His favorite movie is Weekend At Bernie's.

Also, it'd make sense if he named his ship Jade after a cherished penpal/friend from his youth.

[Flarecobra]

*Nods* And his daughter too.

(Man, I never noticed the ship was named Jade until out pointed it out.)

[Bard The 5th LW]

His favorite movie is Weekend At Bernie's.

I thought the bit about 'enjoying adventures' was what made it clear. I've never seen Weekend at Bernie's so I don't really get the meaning.

[Mike McC]

I thought the bit about 'enjoying adventures' was what made it clear. I've never seen Weekend at Bernie's so I don't really get the meaning.You need to go and watch it. Immediately.

Also, get in Con Air if you haven't watched that yet either.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I understand the premise of ConAir, and have seen bits and pieces of it, but I guess I'll take your advice on Weekend at Bernie's. Perhaps that'll clear things up.

[Mike McC]

About how far into Homestuck would you say we are now? A quarter, half, less than an eighth?

Act 4 just finished. I think it will likely be 3 more acts. It's easier to make calls like that now that I'm not bogged down in user suggestions.I should be allowed to emptyquote

[Kim]

I am not sure how I feel about the latest update. It is many things at once.

[Geminex]

I maintain that I really, really need to re-read HS from the beginning.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I was actually pretty surprised at the scene were AR? rescued John. Didn't see it coming.

But I was also creeped out at the scene where Grandpa recovers Jade. And I should have saw it coming.

[Grimpond]

I was actually pretty surprised at the scene were AR? rescued John. Didn't see it coming.

But I was also creeped out at the scene where Grandpa recovers Jade. And I should have saw it coming.


If Grandpa had his dreamself, would it have continued on after his body died?

e: oh man, I should have seen that comin =\

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Are John's, Rose's and Dave's dream selves new Kings and Queens now? With the old ones dead (The white queen being the only one who's still alive, as far as I remember)?

Maybe I remember that one wrong, but I think our protagonists (or their dream selves) were called the black and white princes and princesses at some point. I have the sneaking suspicion that I mixed something up.

Please don't tell me that's not how royalty works 'cause some goddamn rules of chess are in effect or something. I know chess.
If you tell me they weren't even related to the dead guys that's fine.

Maybe someone who reads this with more dedication than I can shed light on this.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think Rose once mentioned Dave to be the 'Prince of the Moon' as in the moon of Derse. But I don't think they have inherited these roles. It seems that Jack has actually taken the positions of Black Queen, Black King, and White King. Not really sure what their titles as their Dream Selves really mean.

[PCD]

Wait, is the White King actually dead? I'm too lazy right now to watch the appropriate animation, but I think all we saw was the King hand off his scepter to ?PM, then they were attacked by HB so the scepter was dropped, but we did see that HB's attack wasn't all that successful.

[katiuska]

Yeah, we saw his scepter land a few feet away in the commotion. We didn't actually see him get killed, but there's no obvious way he could have escaped.

[Mike McC]

Bolin is out, new music is up:

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002544
"Can't Sleep, Harlequins Will Eat Me"
Showtime theme by Malcolm Brow
Arrangement by Toby Radiation Fox

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002551
"Skaian Magicant"
Skies of Skaia theme by Mark Hadley
Arrangement by Toby Radiation Fox

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002722
"Gardener"
By Steve Everson
Remix of "The Beginning of Something Really Excellent"
by Robert J! Lake

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002730
"Jade's FreshJamz Media Player"
"Crystalanthemums" by Alexander Rosetti

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002733
"Dead Shuffle"
By Mark Hadley

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002880
"Unbreakable Union"
By Robert Blaker

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002926
"The Beginning of Something Really Excellent"
By Robert J! Lake

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002970
"Versus"
By Toby Radiation Fox

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003620
Dave's Phat Dream Machine
"Unsheath'd" - By Alexander Rosetti
"Welcome to the New Extreme" - By Robert J! Lake
"Octoroon Rangoon" - By Toby Radiation Fox
"Shatterface" - By SolusLunes
"Phantasmagoric Waltz" - By Alexander Rosetti


The timing is weird at first on them, but you get used to them after a while. Though, I feel Hearts Flush would have been a better choice for a replacement of Nightlife.

New album this weekend. Contains these thirteen tracks, the other new new tracks (I dunno about "How Do I Live - Bunny Back in the Box Version"), plus somewhere around 50 other tracks.

Seriously. Hussie said it was going to be more than twice the size of The White Ablum.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Overall, I like most of the replacements. Some I think are better than others.

I do miss Mutiny and Nightlife however, and I don't care to much for 'Unbreakable Union'. Still miss contention, but it got a decent replacement.

Seriously, 50? That sounds overwhelming. I can't wait.

[Mike McC]

Overall, I like most of the replacements. Some I think are better than others.

I do miss Mutiny and Nightlife however, and I don't care to much for 'Unbreakable Union'. Still miss contention, but it got a decent replacement.

Seriously, 50? That sounds overwhelming. I can't wait.Not 50. You forgot to do the addition.

It's closer to 70.

Also, Unbreakable Union is very good, it just takes a while to build up.

[Kim]

Not really feeling these new songs, though I'm not sure I really felt most of the old versions. Nightlife will be missed, though. Oh well, I guess this is what happens when one of the people you work with turns out to be a flacid dick.

[Doc ock rokc]

Night life was my favorite!
Well next to explore anyway

[Flarecobra]

And thus the ring is revealed....

And a new question comes up: How did WV get it?

[Bard The 5th LW]

This at least confirms the theory that WV got it. I hope for an epic Sepulchritude battle between him and Jack now.

Chanced also are that John gives it WV. Although that may be unlikely since WV didn't show clear signs of knowing John when he saw him on the monitor.

[POS Industries]

Just to note, the firefly is saying "OH MY" in Morse code.

[BitVyper]

I think Unbreakable Union is a better piece of music that Mutiny, but I don't think it was a great choice for that particular scene. Might be a good song for Becquerel in the long run with its ominous and somewhat more orchestral feel, but honestly, I really liked the impact and fast paced technoy feel of Mutiny.

Mutiny was definitely better for the scene though. Unbreakable Union takes too long to really get into it. Mutiny was like BAM! You're fucking THERE!

Not a big fan of the new Advanced Bass Solo.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Is it true? We get to witness the Troll's adventure? Yes! Hell yes!

[PCD]

Can't be all of it, that would take forever. But damn, I am so totally excited for this. We get to learn their names, holy balls.

Also, only five of them are in the game? what about the other seven =\

[Mike McC]

Can't be all of it, that would take forever. But damn, I am so totally excited for this. We get to learn their names, holy balls.

Also, only five of them are in the game? what about the other seven =\1 + 5 = 6

[Kim]

I'm guessing they probably join up with a second group partway through.

[katiuska]

That seems most likely.

Well, we had to get around to this eventually. It's comforting to see that, much like John Cusack, sylladex pratfalls are a universal constant.

I think Unbreakable Union is a better piece of music that Mutiny, but I don't think it was a great choice for that particular scene. Might be a good song for Becquerel in the long run with its ominous and somewhat more orchestral feel, but honestly, I really liked the impact and fast paced technoy feel of Mutiny.

Mutiny was definitely better for the scene though. Unbreakable Union takes too long to really get into it. Mutiny was like BAM! You're fucking THERE!

Not a big fan of the new Advanced Bass Solo.

Gotta agree there. Unbreakable Union is really good, but it doesn't mesh as well with the scene. Versus works all right, though.

[Mike McC]

Homestuck Vol. 5 (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/homestuck-vol-5) has landed.

71 tracks.

172 minutes of music.

What Pumpkin? (http://www.whatpumpkin.com/)

[Kim]

This is.... amazing. Seriously, these songs are just brilliant. I'm loving the hell out of them.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I love the new album, although a lot of the tracks are a bit too similar, it is definitely the best so far.

And if the trolls work in 2 groups of 6 , then I think the 6th member of CG's group is shown slightly here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003615). His/her horns are visible. Some think it is ArachnidsGrip, the Scorpio.

[Mike McC]

I love the new album, although a lot of the tracks are a bit too similar, it is definitely the best so far.

And if the trolls work in 2 groups of 6 , then I think the 6th member of CG's group is shown slightly here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003615). His/her horns are visible. Some think it is ArachnidsGrip, the Scorpio.Actually, a theory has been brought to my attention. What if there were two players, each playing in a different session, in the same house?

I tacked onto that theory with this: the way gallowsCalibrator treats (read: torments) Karkat is an awful like a big sister's bullying.

[Bard The 5th LW]

That's very possible.

In fact, the moment it was revealed that the Troll's were paradox clones to, I immediately tacked GC and Karkat together. Partially because they seem to be Jade and John's equivalents, and because of what you said.

[POS Industries]

I'm seriously never going to be used to the trolls having real names.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I have to agree. We've known them by their troll tags for so long that its odd to adjust to them being called otherwise.

[POS Industries]

And so it was that terminallyCapricious was introduced and HE WAS A FUCKING TROLL JUGGALO. A TROLLUGALO. TRUGGALO? JUGGATROLL.

Fucking miracles everywhere up in this bitch.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I love terminallyCapricious more than GC already. Now I just need to wait for a picture of him at a computer, and I am complete.

[Grimpond]

Oh my god, TC is the shit!

[Mike McC]

I am expecting something like

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2955/001y.gif

[Grimpond]

I am expecting something like

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2955/001y.gif

what the hell is that

[Mike McC]

what the hell is thatYou fail at Hussie knowledge.

http://www.teamspecialolympics.com/whistlessite/

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its Whistles. Its a comic series that Hussie writes.

[Geminex]

I dislike TC. I mean, he hasn't even said anything really quotable, yet. GC is superior.

Though CG has.
CG: FUCK YOU.
CG: FUCK YOU FOR ME JUST READING THAT.
This. I will quote this so often.

[Bard The 5th LW]

But he's so relaxed! He's the ultimate chill-guy. He sounds a bit like a hippy/stoner to.

And here's a quote for ya!

kNoWiNg ShIt JuSt StEaLs Up AlL tHe FuCkIn MaGiC fRoM mY mIrAcLeS lIkE a MoThErFuCkIn ThIeF.

[Geminex]

Ultimate Chill-guy? Hippy/Stoner, yes. But super-relaxed?
...
Dave Strider would like a word.

[Kim]

tC is cool because you can never make fun of ICP enough.

Listening to more Homestuck album now. Candles and Clockwork feels a bit like the church song from Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden.

EDIT: And Sarabande sounds like Gymnopedie, at least in the beginning. It goes differently later.

[Flarecobra]

...Mike, you scare me.

(No Phil_, not your Mike)

[Mike McC]

Why? I was entirely wrong with my guess (a bit disappointed, actually).

[Geminex]

Ok, Bard, I was wrong. Change your avatar to tC. It will suit you. SUIT YOU SO MUCH.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not the Best Avatar of him, but it'll do for now.

[Flarecobra]

Why? I was entirely wrong with my guess (a bit disappointed, actually).

They look VERY similor.

[Mike McC]

Eh they're pretty substantially different to me outside the common threads of 'being clowns' and 'drawn by Andrew Hussie'.

[Arhra]

He has the best modus.

The best!

[POS Industries]

Fucking modi.

HOW DO THEY WORK?

[Loyal]

No wonder the trolls are all so antagonistic. With modi like that I'd have to blow off some steam too.

[Bard The 5th LW]

That is a wonderful Modi. I am sure that Gamzee's life is much better because of it.Much better than a Magnet Modi.

FuCkiN mIrAcLeS

[Donomni]

This page... (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003914)

I swear to god, I was laughing for 5 minutes straight.

That page had no right to be that hilarious.

[Flarecobra]

You know... that Miracle Modus had better work off the Press Your Luck system.

Or better yet, have a PYL Modus.

[Loyal]

So, we'll finally get to see/hear from the surly superhacker.

[Flarecobra]

We have heard from him already... (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003615) And seen him too. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003618)

[Geminex]

GC is even more awesome than I had imagined. Favorite character, right before dave.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well back to GC, or I suppose Terezi. It was a good run Gamzee, but unless you go Jack Bauer on stuffed animals than you just aren't worthy.

[Flarecobra]

You know... offline, she's actually kinda cool.

Though I wonder about this... accident.

[Bard The 5th LW]

It probably had nothing to actually do with her eyes. I mean, it might, but I think there's a good 50% chance it won't. Although who knows, maybe her Custodian had something to do with it.

Speaking of the Custodians, whats up with them? I get the feeling that they are based off the Astrological signs as well, because Gamzee mentioned his to be out at sea, so CG's is probably that Crab thing with his Sprite, but what about their Guardians? I believe CG made brief mention to them when talking to John about Ectobiology. Do the trolls just not have interaction with their parents after they are hatched?

[Grimpond]

That'd be easier to know if we had more information on the hatching process. As for GC...uh...hmmm. I totally had a thought process for that, but then my pizza got here. She's totally in my top 2 favorite trolls though.

[Donomni]

New (Chuck-a-Norris!)fact: It really is impossible to smell and taste things such as colors as a manner of sight.

But Terezi interrogated herself until she confessed she could, and then she really could.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah, Terezi/GC just trumped Gamzee by a mile. I don't think anyone can live up to the awesomeness she is fulfilling right now. We can only wait and see, but I doubt it.

[Geminex]

This thread needs more Terezi facts.

Chuck Norris' tears can cure cancer. Terezi cured cancer by making him cry.

Sharks can smell one drop of blood in a thousand litres of water, and they'll go into a feeding frenzy. Terezi can smell your blood through a computer screen, and she'll prosecute you for bleeding in public when she does.

Also, something involving daredevil. Help me out here, people.

[Loyal]

Gentlemen:

Terezi/Aimless Renegade, OTP.

[Bard The 5th LW]

It's a match made in heaven. They must meet, face to face. Its actually pretty possible.

Edit: I found this on the MSPA Forums.

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8332/impidle02.gifhttp://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5372/impharleidleslash6.gif
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9865/impharlespin01.gif

[Grimpond]

Auuuuuuuuuuuugh.

GC is so cool.

[Flarecobra]

Terezi once again shows how she's in the running for "Most awesome charactor"

And she brings up one good point.

[Geminex]

Ok, y'know how I compared Terezi to Daredevil? I think I should've compared her to Judge Dredd. Yeah. Definitely best character so far.

[Donomni]

I think you mean Jack Bauer.

Especially considering Dredd is AR's shtick.

[Loyal]

No, it seems Daredevil is fairly apt after all.

[Geminex]

Kay, I'm re-reading the comic at the moment. Up to the first plot recap. Things that didn't make any sense whatsoever before now suddenly do. That is nice.

What I'm still slightly uncertain of is why the White Queen agreed to abdictate. I mean, sure, PM's tale must have been very heart-wrenching, but unless PM (and, through her, the queen) knew the power of what was in the box, and what consequences Jack's posession of said gift would have, there's really no good reason for her to abdictate.
And from what I gathered, Jade simply sent PM instructions regarding delivery of the gift, she didn't give any information regarding the package's nature. I could be wrong, of course. We haven't seen yet, how PM got Jade's note telling her to deliver John's present to him, right?

[Grimpond]

Oh Terezi, you magnificent bastard.

[katiuska]

I think they understood intuitively, even if they didn't see the object itself or know what it was capable of. They probably don't know that they're in game, or that it's supposed to play out with the White Kingdom losing, but they may at least have been aware that they're in the weaker position.

I'm more perplexed at why Jack even held up his end of the bargain, but that was handwaved in the second recap, so I doubt it'll be explained.

[BitVyper]

I'm more perplexed at why Jack even held up his end of the bargain

Just because he's a villain doesn't mean he can't have some weird personal sense of honour.

[katiuska]

Oh sure, he's just never shown one before--you'll note that HB, presumably operating under his orders, tried to intercept PM so that the agreement would have been moot. I guess since she did, in fact, manage to fulfill her duty, he figured he might as well.

[Flarecobra]

Nice weapon. Wonder what kind of effects it has..

[Loyal]

I forgot to mention, but this:

GC: R333334444LLY????
GC: SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON >;] <3 <3 <3
CG: FUCK YOU OFFER RESCINDED. Made me laugh.

I wonder who that ghostly fellow at the top of the house is. Or more accurately, I wonder who/what Karkat prototyped.

Does anyone else think AC's modus would basically be a matter of roleplaying the items out with verbs thematically appropriate to the captchalogued items?

[Bard The 5th LW]

That's the Crab thing shown here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003255).

I get the feeling that its his Custodian. And that the Guardians have no involvement in the Troll's SBURB Session aside from Ectobiology. But what purpose do the Custodians fill for the Trolls?

[Art of Hilt]

Hmm.

Karkat = Knight of Blood
Knight of Blood = Dave
Dave = Karkat

???

Also

CG: YOU CAN SEE ME RIGHT.
CG: TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
GC: NO 1 C4NT S33 YOU DUMB4SS

I can never get enough of that joke.

[Grimpond]

Hmm.

Karkat = Knight of Blood
Knight of Blood = Dave
Dave = Karkat


Dave is the Knight of Time.

[Geminex]

I thought Dave was the knight of time?

John, Rose, Dave, Jade
Heir of breath, seer of light, knight of time, witch of space

WHY YES I AM A NERD THANK YOU FOR ASKING

[Art of Hilt]

So.
Wait.
Huh.
Well, they're still both Knights though.

[Loyal]

Yes, but we knew this already from prior exposition. They're just titles.

[Bard The 5th LW]

4 Troll titles that were given mention,

SEER of MINDS (Terezi?)
KNIGHT of BLOOD (Karkat)
MAID of TIME
PAGE of BREATH

There are presumably 8 other titles for each of the other trolls. So far, the titles may symbolize the powers they have. For instance, Dave has the Time Tables. And after John set off the Barbosol Bomb, wind came out of nowhere to put it out.

[Geminex]

Yeah, I'm guessing the first bit (Seer, Knight, etc...) corresponds to personality, and, well, "nature" of the individual, whereas the second bit (Minds, Blood) correspond to power. Though considering the abstract-ness, it's perfectly possible for two players to have the same "suffix" (for instance "of time"), but not anywhere near the same power.

[Flarecobra]

One responce:

O_o

[POS Industries]

Hussie you goddamn cocktease asshole motherfucker.

[Loyal]

Necessary evil I suppose. We'd end up taking up most of the year if we went through all of the trolls' escapades in detail.

At least we got (some of) the music.

[Flarecobra]

Agreed, Loyal.

Wouldn't mind hearing some more of the music though...

[Geminex]

Indeed, I liked it as well.

I've just re-read the second recap, and I wonder...
What happens if a player meets their dream-self? Like, physically, if one happens upon the other? Cause it seems quite possible. Dream-john is on Skaia, and what's to say that John couldn't get there as well? So what'd happen?

And what's up with Rose's Black Magic? I sorta took it for granted upon first reading, but now that I come to think of it, it does seem a bit too powerful. I mean, she destroyed a gate. And she "used a spell" to seal her SBURB FAQ in a veil-server. That's pretty big. And isn't she "seer of minds"? Rather than "Witch of Darkness", or whatever would be more appropriate for the powers she currently seems to be wielding.

[Kim]

what's to say that John couldn't get there as well? So what'd happen?

They'd see themselves sleeping, I guess. They can't operate simultaneously, after all.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I actually saw a fan-art once, in it, Jack holds a sleeping real!Rose hostage while confronting dream!Rose. Maybe I can find it again...

And yeah, a lot of people theorize that the thorns of Oglogoth or causing Rose to lose Sanity. In fact, Rose is the Seer of Light. She is seriosuly mixing things up.

[Geminex]

Oh, yeah, right. GC is minds, my bad.

Yeah, see! Even worse! Her attribute is light, she shouldn't be using black magic.
Unless she's using it Ironically.

[Loyal]

It's probable that the second half of their titles are less a matter of "Element" or "Nature" and more a simple matter of where their first gate was.

John - Breath - Land of Wind and Shade
Dave - Time - Land of Heat and Clockwork
Rose - Light - Land of Light and Rain
Karkat - Blood - Land of Pulse and Haze

Edit: Also possible that their powers are based off the land. Dave's got all the clock gears so he gets time travel. Rose's Land could aptly be described as "magical" in every sense of the word.

We don't know what, if anything, John can do outside of use his Hammerkind (and bunnykind) specibus, but his Land seems rather "normal", and thus may himself be. On top of that, it's the only Land we've seen with anything resembling civilization which may lend credence to John's probable, eventual role as the Leader.

[Geminex]

Well, as far as civilization goes, that one goddamn stupid civilization. In other words, I don't think he's leader by virtue that his planet is home to tribes of dumb salamanders. Hell, the inhabitants of Rose's planet are probably smarter, and they've been dead for millions of years.
Yeah, I'm guessing the fact that he's leader has something to do with his character, or power, or the fact that he entered the medium first.

And yeah, the titles seem to correspond to the planets.
But does a player's planet define their title define their power?
Or is it the other way around, is the power inherent, and that in turns defines their planet and title? Cause I think it's the latter.

[Mike McC]

We don't know what, if anything, John can do outside of use his Hammerkind (and bunnykind) specibus, but his Land seems rather "normal", and thus may himself be. On top of that, it's the only Land we've seen with anything resembling civilization which may lend credence to John's probable, eventual role as the Leader.Terezi's told Dave he' going to meet the Alligators inhabiting his land.

And somewhere in Rose's land there are probably turtles.

[Geminex]

Though that's Terezi. She is many things, trustworth may or may not be one of them.

And why turtles? Just cause they're amphibious, or did I miss a reference to them?

[Mike McC]

Though that's Terezi. She is many things, trustworth may or may not be one of them.

And why turtles? Just cause they're amphibious, or did I miss a reference to them?Tutrtleson the walls of the temple with the teleporter. Turtleshells making the rainbow waterfall behind Rose's house.

It is very likely her consorts are Turtles.

[Geminex]

Ah-ha. Horatio Caine reference, interesting eye colors and an insight into TA's personality. He really does hate himself. And AC looks furry-tastic. Wonder what her hive is gonna be? Bet it's just a cave.

[Flarecobra]

Why do I get the feeling that TA and Dave would actually kind of respect each other?

[Loyal]

I have to admit, about halfway through TA's last conversation I ended up reading what he said with a lisp. I'm glad to see that was intentional.

[Art of Hilt]

Bees? Bees? Beeeeeeees?
Oh my god John has to meet TA in person somehow it has to happen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4MqTCIDKhU&feature=related)

[Bard The 5th LW]

So how many trolls are Psionics? Because AA seemed to have some pretty powerful abilities there. Maybe they're siblings? I mean all trolls seem to be siblings, but I mean they are Paradox siblings.

[Donomni]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Trolls were actually yet another genetic goof-up the original kids made, then sent some absurdly large number with 413 years in the past. Or future. Or some other weird time shit.

[Marelo]

Note that the hints seem to be that the trolls' world exists before Earth. If anything, they'd have to be sent into the past.

[Geminex]

Ok, this is really interesting.

See, I had, so far, assumed that what distinguished John's, Rose's, Dave's and Jade's session from all other possible "sessions" was the fact the Rose's fore-knowlege of events allowed her to modify them (conciously and unconciously) to achive some aim or another. But now it seems that aa has at least as much knowlege of coming events, at least as much ability to influence coming events.

Y'know what I think? I think all the rules, the whole scheme of "Build high, go through the gates, face the king and queen, save Skaia", that's all a big facade. It's... not the real purpose. It's a way to play the game, but it's not the inherent goal of the game. Understand what I mean? The real game goes deeper, there's something beneath the surface.

Because the big failure that aa's forseeing, that's the one that's gonna be caused by the "protagonists". That's no mistake. Whatever the "Rift" is that's been mentioned, it's supposed to happen. And it's being engineered by some entity, for some purpose. Both teams are going to fail in one way, but they're supposed to.

Question is, why?

[PCD]

The thing that has really been making me wonder is, as you said, why? I mean, at the beginning, when John was speaking with Nannasprite, we were led to believe that the point of the game is to save Skaia and help defeat the Black King and so forth. As Nannasprite said, even though their planet would be destroyed, they were accomplishing something much greater, in protecting Skaia.

However, we've since learned that there are multiple copies of the game, such as on Alternia, with the exact same premise played out differently. All the same people and places, the only difference in who's playing. If the whole scenario is just a copy-and-paste gameset, why is it so important to win? Why is it worth the destruction of a planet, and why are these multiple Skaias so vital to protect?

There's got to be a bigger point to all this, obviously. With Rose's refusal to play by the rules, we're definitely going to have to see where things start branching off from the previous instructions; also, since the Trolls won't be able to see the kids for much longer, that means that shit's probably about to get real(er), once we get back to them. I'm looking forward to the curveballs on their way.

[Kim]

The planet's going to be destroyed whether the game is played or not.

[Loyal]

Goddamn, Karkat really is his own worst enemy.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think I just realized that every time Sollux says KK, he was referring to Karkat as a sort of nickname.

That's kind of cute. I guess.

[Preturbed]

Ok, I stopped reading this about the time we switched to the trolls. Is this really necessary? I mean, I appreciate telling the story from multiple viewpoints but it was confusing enough as it was.

[Kim]

By seeing their playthrough, we get a better idea of what an "ideal" playthrough looks like. Their's probably wasn't 100% what it was supposed to be like, but I think knowing how things should go will put how things are going in the main one in perspective.

[Donomni]

Besides, it's the troll chapter.

It wouldn't be a troll chapter without trolling the readers, would it?

[Loyal]

Is this really necessary?I don't understand this question.

[Kim]

Oh goddammit this is sad.

[POS Industries]

By seeing their playthrough, we get a better idea of what an "ideal" playthrough looks like. Their's probably wasn't 100% what it was supposed to be like, but I think knowing how things should go will put how things are going in the main one in perspective.
Or it's just as some of us suspected and Karkat was full of shit.

[BitVyper]

Of course. Skaia is one of the Yozis. Probably She Who Lives In Her Name.

[PCD]

The planet's going to be destroyed whether the game is played or not.

Exactly. So what is the point of Sburb? It's not to save your planet. It was apparently to save Skaia, but it turns out Skaia isn't even something all that special or unique, but rather something that just gets copypasted from world to world. So why is the game important, is the question. What is the motivating factor, beyond keeping what few people you can alive?

[Geminex]

The planet's going to be destroyed whether the game is played or not.
No, I think it's more that it's inevitable that the game is played. The destruction of the planet is linked to that. The game cannot not be played, thus the planet cannot not be destroyed

And to PCD:
Well, see it this way: You've played Portal, right? Glados directing your way through the various chambers, taunting you, being "the enemy". But always talking about "the test". Even when you escaped from the death trap, it still seemed like a test. You still had to take one path, complete certain tasks. Even when you fought her, you had to fight her. And if "Still Alive" is anything to go by, that was exactly what was supposed to happen. And, perhaps Portal 2 will contradict me on this, but by winning the game, by completing challenge upon challenge and destroying her, you played into Glados' hands. You lost.
In-game, the only way to win would have been to escape from the area, to find a way not to participate in the tests, to display a type of behavior she couldn't analyse. In other words, to break the rules and escape from the game.

I think the same thing has to happen here. The whole "Save Skaia!" thing is a front used to manipulate players to engage in certain activities. The Sprites, and pretty much everything else, are part of this front. But there's something else guiding the Players, be it Exiles or Precogniscent Players, and they seem to be guiding them towards an entirely different goal. Both of these are manipulating them in some way or another.

To what end? I'm guessing it has something to do with the "nature" of the universe, and with the super-powerful demon. What they're "supposed" to do is achieve... one thing or another, and, I think, to ultimately foil said demon. And if not the demon, then to achieve another aim.

But that's not the important question. "Why?" is important, but far more important is "Who?".
See, this is a game. People die, planets get destroyed, but it's still a game. Set up by someone to achieve a certain purpose. But who set it up? Who designated the purpose, created the "front", arranged everything to guide the players?
Who, in other words, is the Game Master?

Also, what're the odds that the "Demon" is Lord English? The virus definitely has something to do with the Felt Gang, the green exterior and the numbers indicate that.

Ok, I stopped reading this about the time we switched to the trolls. Is this really necessary? I mean, I appreciate telling the story from multiple viewpoints but it was confusing enough as it was.
No, it's making it clearer. It was really confusing around the time GC trolled John to death. It's been making more sense ever since, and this just adds understanding. I think.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I get the feeling that AA is about to offer Sollux some... motivation.

[Loyal]

I'm wondering if AA might actually be a major villain to be defeated at some point.

[Geminex]

I get the feeling that AA is about to offer Sollux some... motivation.
You mean "Your Lusus is dead and can only be revived through playing this game" kind of motivation?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Pretty much.

[Kim]

Wait. Does this mean the guardians of all the children in the current session are going to die, too?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not necessarily. They have already prototyped their sprites. It just said the Custodians died, not that the Guardians will.

[Kim]

It places a curse on everyone he knows and everyone he'll ever meet, too, so I wouldn't rule it out.

[Geminex]

I do hope that its impact isn't too great. It'd seem a bit too "deus ex machina" otherwise...

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm pretty sure what what has happened to them so far is already pretty serious. I wouldn't be surprised if the Curse was more or less the cause of all that has been screwed up so far.

[Geminex]

FROG TEMPLE WHAT THE FUCK.

Seriously, is it going to pop up everywhere now?
What is it with that thing?

I'm serious, why is it so omnipresent? If we discover what we're one step closer to finding out the whole GM thing.

[MuMu]

What is it with that thing?

Aside from this (http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3276/homefrogtemple.jpg), no idea.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh my God. Its true. Its true.

The recent update makes this page (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003837) almost heart wrenching.

[katiuska]

Yeah, I was hoping that wouldn't become canon. On the other hand, he seems to still be in good spirits.

[Overcast]

I'll be honest I already felt a bit sad for him not being able to trounce about Prospit anymore when I thought he was just the kindest of the troll group introduced at the time. This though really makes me hope his time with flight and legs are well animated so we can all share that short time of joy.

[Donomni]

UGH. This... this is so sad now.

This makes way too much sense. Dammit, Hussie.

[POS Industries]

1) I'm disappointed that the sentence wasn't "Your trolltag is adiosToreador and oH MY GOD, yOU TYPE LIKE A TOOL,"

2) Tavros blinded Terezi. Probably jousted her in the eyes. IN THE FUCKING EYES.

[Overcast]

One day maybe if he isn't keen on teasing us like he did with the Karkat custodian fiasco we might get to see some extreme roleplaying.

[Bard The 5th LW]

BEST. CARDGAME. EVER.

And yeah, I saw a drawing in the fanart thread in which Tavros bends over to pick up a Boondollar and pokes out one of Terezi's eyes with his horn. And then the other in a fit of panic. The person who drew said that Terezi presumable broke his legs afterward.

[Art of Hilt]

You know, him using a jousting lance makes more sense when he's on a wheelchair than it would before he got confined to it.

EDIT- FFFFF he can summon alien horses what the hell am I saying

[Geminex]

2) Tavros blinded Terezi. Probably jousted her in the eyes. IN THE FUCKING EYES.
We don't know that. They probably LARPed together (though that'd mean that they live/lived close together), but I don't think they're the source of each other's disabilities.

And why's everyone getting sad? Hussie's probably going to make Tavros all badass as well. Alien horses are just the beginning.

[katiuska]

Actually, right now I feel bad for the troll kids' various plushies.

Xenomorph pokemon. That's... that's messed up, man.

[Kim]

This is seriously my favorite character right now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Wow, AG is a jerk. Like, maybe worse than Karkat. Really feel sorry for Tavros if he has to put up with him/her often.

[Art of Hilt]

Oh my goodness Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=017.jpg) updated how glorious!

PS- I just realized AG uses '8' a lot and uses ":::: ) " smilies because her name has arachnid in it and also because she is a Scorpio durr of course.

PPS- Oh no Tereziiiiiiiii [genuine distress]

[Loyal]

Somehow seeing AA/Aradia in typical Homestuck superdeformedness is a lot more unnerving than it should be.

[Flarecobra]

Any bets AG is female?

And wonder what her physical..uniqueness is.

[Mike McC]

Any bets AG is female?Well, seeing as how Aradia referred to arachnidsGrip as she and a girl, that'd be a dumb bet to bet against.

[Bard The 5th LW]

So we going to be seeing this accident any time soon?

[Loyal]

Probably not till all the trolls have been properly introduced, and then not till one or two exposition-heavy flash pages after.

[Mike McC]

According to his Formspring, we are literally half-way through right now. Which wouldn't be so bad, except this isn't exactly the best paced stretch, and it's starting to drag when we aren't seeing silly irrelevant troll antics (like mock trials and Pokemon fights). I hope Andrew is seeing the grumbling and straightens up the pacing a bit (Most of it is coming from him trying to be unpredictable for when the suggestion box will be open for troll naming), otherwise it'll be a long three weeks and will make the troll arc be a low point.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I've enjoyed it so far, but the zig-zagging pace has sort of hindered my overall enjoyance of this arc. I'm expecting a lot of timeskips if we are already half-way through.

[Mike McC]

I've enjoyed it so far, but the zig-zagging pace has sort of hindered my overall enjoyance of this arc. I'm expecting a lot of timeskips if we are already half-way through.Yeah, there is a lot to enjoy, but it's just so dense and poorly paced right now it's being weighed down :(

[Art of Hilt]

Oh wow AG is kind of a huge fucking bitch isn't she.
Anyway.
That Crosbytop is kind of freaking me out.
I mean think about it:

1) For all we know it obviously originates on Earth because everybody else refers to Crosby as some sort of freakish alien being (also it doesn't have horns and is not John Cusack)
2) It appears throughout Alternia's timeline (the troll arc/Midnight Crew intermission)
3) Alternia, as far as we know, takes place before Earth and is part of a separate session at that.
4) Why would the Crosbytop be sent back in time from Earth to Alternia?

Alternatively

3) Alternia actually takes place after Earth, thus explaining how the trolls are able to survey the Earth kids' progress (because it all already happened)
4) Somehow the Crosbytop is created during the kids' playthrough (modifying the Cosbytop somehow?) and it ends up in another planet in the future?

Or maybe

3) Alternia is in an alternative reality oh fuck no why make things even more confusing with shit like alternative realities when we already have interstellar time travel and dream worlds all up our necks dang and there's not much precedence for that besides

[Wigmund]

Not the biclops!

[Bard The 5th LW]

I hope something really bad happens to AG and AA at some point. Make their little conspiracy explode in their face.

It speaks miles when you are the biggest jerk asses amongst a species like the trolls.

[Kim]

1) For all we know it obviously originates on Earth because everybody else refers to Crosby as some sort of freakish alien being (also it doesn't have horns and is not John Cusack)
2) It appears throughout Alternia's timeline (the troll arc/Midnight Crew intermission)
3) Alternia, as far as we know, takes place before Earth and is part of a separate session at that.
4) Why would the Crosbytop be sent back in time from Earth to Alternia?

Most likely gets sent back by AA after meeting John or something.

[Loyal]

I hope something really bad happens to AG and AA at some point. Make their little conspiracy explode in their face.AA, sure. Right now, though, AG's mostly just a jerk who's trying to play Keep-Up with Aradia.

Much like Karkat, except we've had some developments that make him marginally more sympathetic and more humorous than not.

[Flarecobra]

...Ok, CT must have some kind of robot thing going on...

[Art of Hilt]

AC is controlling CT's actions in her roleplay!
GODMODE GODMODE NOT ALLOWED ROLEPLAY FOUL

[Viridis]

This is going to be painful, isn't it? (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004066)

Alternatively: GODDAMIT, HUSSIE.

[MuMu]

It's all right guys, he's just tired.

[Loyal]

I'd just like to say that Nepeta after the conversation with CT is just the most adorable thing ever.

[Donomni]

Tinkerbull was the best Lusus ever, so of course he gets killed in one of the saddest ways ever.

TEARS OF LIQUID BLACK SORROW.

[Art of Hilt]

Tinkerbull was the best Lusus ever, so of course he gets killed in one of the saddest ways ever.

TEARS OF LIQUID BLACK SORROW.

Oh god I just looked at http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004064.
GOD. DAMN IT.

[Kim]

No. Nonono. Nononononononono.

Not. Fucking. Fair.

[Grimpond]

Wait, did Tinkerbull get crushed by the wheelchair?

[Kim]

I think so...

[POS Industries]

God, I didn't even notice it until now.

[Grimpond]

:ohdear::(

[Kim]

Uh...

Wow...

Holy shit...

That's the worst... That's horrible... This somehow managed to be even worse than I expected.

[Flarecobra]

All in favor of seeing AG killed horrably?

*Raises hand*

[Viridis]

*raises* I suggest a fire.

[Kim]

All in favor of seeing AG killed horrably?

*Raises hand*

May I remind you that all the trolls are going to die horribly?

[Flarecobra]

Don't you mean their guardians?

Especally since they're there in the Homestruck Kids's timeline?

[Kim]

Don't you mean their guardians?

Especally since they're there in the Homestruck Kids's timeline?

They don't die during their session, but it's been said outright by the future seeing characters that they are going to die.

[BitVyper]

Very bad things need to start happening to AG. Posthaste.

[PCD]

Hush, Noncon, all the adorable characters like Tavros and Nepeta will be okay, because the badass ones like Terezi will break out some whoopass and defy fate because fate is stupid.

But aG will totally succumb to the icy clutches of failure and death because she's a bitch.

[Grimpond]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-


That's all there is to say on this matter :mad:

[Flarecobra]

Two words:

Damnit Hussie.

[Wigmund]

Dammit, I don't know which troll I hate more, Equius or Vriska.

[Grimpond]

My reaction to these last updates?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAt the F-

[Bard The 5th LW]

I love all the trolls now. Not equally, but I think Andrew Hussie has done an incredible job characterizing them.

[BitVyper]

They don't die during their session, but it's been said outright by the future seeing characters that they are going to die.

They did die. Or was that stated in the present?

[Viridis]

Dammit, I don't know which troll I hate more, Equius or Vriska.

Both. Both.

Doc Scratch is awesome, though.

[PCD]

I actually love Equius. The guy is just a complete loser but he tries so hard. Vriska, though, can go fuck herself.

[Grimpond]

Doc Scratch is awesome, though.

QFT. I think Equius is pretty cool. Vriska....iunno :raise:

[Viridis]

Before I forget, there's a new album (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/alternia).

[Flarecobra]

I'm rather curious about cuttlefishCuller myself... She strikes me as one that might be quite playful normally, and possably of royal linage. And given her "theme"...

And I think "dESPERADO ROCKET CHAIRS" is my favorite one out of the new album. :D

[Bard The 5th LW]

I love all of them. Although, Skaian Summoning and Showdown are my personal favorites.
dESPERADO ROCKET CHAIRS is easily the best name though.

caligulasAquarium has my curiosity the most. He is going to be a huge dick, but most likely an awesome one, what with the implication that he killed Gamzee's Lusus. The username leaves all sorts of interesting tones as well.

[Geminex]

Yeah, why the hell isn't this the main storyline? The trolls are friggin' awesome. Yes, even Vriska.

[katiuska]

I actually love Equius. The guy is just a complete loser but he tries so hard. Vriska, though, can go fuck herself.

That's pretty much my position. It's a testament to AH that he makes me kind of like characters I really want to hate. I think that's part of why I'm enjoying this more than the MC intermission, despite all the pacing issues.

I... I don't know how to feel about the last little sequence. Can I go with horror? I'm going with horror.