Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Locke cole]

...dammit.

It's awesome.

It's really, really awesome.

...and it makes my little "deck made out of slightly edited panels from the comic" look like total amateur hour.

Though, I question choices like making Eridan The Chariot, John The Hanged Man, or Spades Slick The Hierophant.

On the other hand, it's all so well drawn, and the ones that do fit are clever and awesome and... I want to get this.

So bad.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'd assume John got the Hanged Man because of that timeline he sacrificed himself after meeting Typheus as part of the deal, as well as offering to destroy the Green Sun in place of Rose and Dave and leaping in front of Roxy to stop Meenah. Dude sacrifices himself a lot!

[Locke cole]

Yeah but... man, they could have made it so much better if they'd had Joh, in that exact pose, on his Quest Bed. There's your "sacrifice to gain enlightenment" symbolism right there.

Ghost Aradia would also work, fitting the occasional meanings of fatalism, giving up, letting go, etc.

[POS Industries]

Oh my god I want that so bad you have no idea.

But... but my FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Locke cole]

Oh man, I just looked up how to play French Tarot. I wand that Seerpak so much more, now.

[Flarecobra]

John has offically lost his shit now.

[Loyal]

Flipped the fuck out, as it were.

[Odjn]

Sounds like it's...

hammer time.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

ME1AeWPnHvY

[Locke cole]

That entire thing, and the thing I was most amused by was "clocksucker". Why do I focus on the dumbest stuff?

And you reminded me of Th- (http://homestuckfighter.info/cyborg771/CongaStuck/) Aw man, what? I need a plugin, which I just installed, to see it, but I still can't see it properly and it's asking me to install the same plugin.

Lame.

Have a Youtube version. (http://endlessvideo.com/watch?v=KuQdrkTk9Oc)

[Flarecobra]

Would it be wrong to feel like kicking John in the head as he lays there?

[Locke cole]

It depends on how much damage you think that'd do to him, and whether or not it's Just.

[Revising Ocelot]

This would be a nice point to transition back to the Flash, with 100% more John.

So... no updates for two weeks.

[Flarecobra]

It depends on how much damage you think that'd do to him, and whether or not it's Just.

Does it matter?

[POS Industries]

GODDAMMIT HUSSIE GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY REACTION GALLERY

[Loyal]

Congratulations, Hussie - You have finally come up with a typing quirk I can't be arsed to decipher.

[Revising Ocelot]

So I was wrong on both counts. Exactly my intention.

Implication that Gamzee isn't actually god tier, but just wearing the costume? And he's still evil, but we all knew that anyway. Or didn't. I don't even know if I'm speaking for anybody else.

[Flarecobra]

Ok, so now we got a wannabe Fonz... who actually is worse then Eridan...

Oh, and from what I can tell about Mituna's...

7=T
1=I
5=S
0=O
4=A
8=B
3=E

And throw in some spazzing jitters, and you got the quirk.

[Locke cole]

Yeah, Mituna's quirk is supposed to be damn near impossible to decipher. Because he has horrific brain damage and can't talk right.

So, my impressions:

Kankri: Needs to be revisited because of the hateful shit he throws around about Mituna. This guy is just... "insufferable" might be a bit too mild.

Cronus: I could barely believe that the Ampora brood could be any worse, but I have now seen the light. If what Kankri says gets kind of hateful, this guy is just a seething ball of loathsome.

Mituna: I was pretty much raging at his quirk, buntil I read further and found out the reason behind it.

Kurloz: OH GOD WHAT.

Mituna: She's adorable. Even more excitable and ship-obsessed than Nepeta, somehow.

Karkat: I loved his speech about the ancestors at the end, there. Just... I always love it when Karkat really has something to say, instead of just empty raging, you know?

[Loyal]

And then in part three we shall meet Equius's ancestor, and we shall learn just once and for all how low Hussie can go.

[Flarecobra]

Somehow I think it'll be a bigger bulge then the codpiece. That'll be the horrid thing.

[Locke cole]

I really don't want to see what could be worse than Cronus

[Revising Ocelot]

I'm expecting Zahaak V2.0 to be quite different. Probably more angsty and less into Equius'... fetishes, taking after his post-Scratch version.

Looking forward to RUFIOOOOOO.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I gotta say, Mituna's tendency to say "I'm Sorry" really reminds me of a friend of mine who has some problems as well.

[Loyal]

I'm expecting Zahaak V2.0 to be quite different. Probably more angsty and less into Equius'... fetishes, taking after his post-Scratch version.

Looking forward to RUFIOOOOOO.

Haha, I totally forgot about Nitram.

Just remember: The Sufferer was a super-badass Jesus figure, and "we" got Kankri.

Bet: Gamzee, in keeping with his MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER bit, will turn out to be directly responsible for Kurloz's nightmares and all that entails.

[Locke cole]

Yeah, I'm not expecting the Summoner to be badass at all in his Pre-Scratch incarnation.

[mauve]

Requesting thread title to be changed to less pale more pail.

Alternately: YOU WERE INVOLVED IN SOME OF MY FINEST SHIPS.

[Art of Hilt]

makara ugh

makaras ugh

[Locke cole]

Amporas ugh.

[Aldurin]

The idea of Cronus being a Fonzie/Harry Potter hybrid is absolutely horrifying in so many ways.

Also the fact that the codpiece cult (who is probably working to the benefit of Lord English, intentionally or not) has their hands on the CROWBAR and what is probably Calliope's backup swag does not bode well for the looming confrontation with LE.

[Locke cole]

Yeah, the Crowbar would have been a very useful artifact for braking jujus... if English even uses jujus at this point.

[POS Industries]

Alternately: YOU WERE INVOLVED IN SOME OF MY FINEST SHIPS.
I like it.

[The SSB Intern]

Karkat's self esteem talk with Terezi just melted my heart.

[Revising Ocelot]

Goddamnit Rufio is RIGHT THERE. (It's probably cutting to robo-Slick now.)

As for Terezi, I don't think she's envious of Latula's radicalness, specifically. Rather, I think meeting her made Terezi give in and go to Aranea to get her eyesight restored to match Latula - that's why she's got the hood covering her face.

So you can pretty much count this theory out since I'm frequently almost always wrong.

[Locke cole]

I can't wait to return to the walkaround after the intermission to find that Rufioh is nowhere to be seen.

[Flarecobra]

Watch as it's a cut to Tavros's corpse/skeleton.

[Vauron]

I'm thinking WV actually. Its been longer since we really saw him, and the only characters I'm less interested in seeing are Gamzee and the non-Aranea/non-Meenah pre-Scratch ancestors we just saw.

[POS Industries]

I'm personally hoping it's PM and Jack, but the build up involved in this page leads me to believe it's something stupid like Ms. Paint.

EDIT: Hey look it's PM and Jack.

[Revising Ocelot]

LE kills ghosts? Now it's Jack's turn. He just refuses to be left behind as a villain.

[POS Industries]

Well, this is pretty obviously John's dream.

Also the fact that a memory of Rose is like the second thing we see in what is probably John's dream does not go unnoticed!

[Arcanum]

It's soooooo going to be Round 2.

Oh god I hope it's Round 2.

[Art of Hilt]

Well, this is pretty obviously John's dream.

Also the fact that a memory of Rose is like the second thing we see in what is probably John's dream does not go unnoticed!

Or, if we look at it from the perspective of what John was talking about before he passed out, it's specifically the memory of him finding his Dad's corpse. Probably. Maybe.

I'm just interested in seeing how he acts in front of it when he has more time to himself.

[POS Industries]

Or, if we look at it from the perspective of what John was talking about before he passed out, it's the memory of him finding his Dad's corpse.
Could be, although it's not the only thing John would be remembering in this dream, judging by all that Prospit moon debris that's had long since stopped crashing into the battlefield by the time anything involving Rose or Dad's corpse came into play.

Of course, the dream bubbles seem to also be effected by the memories of perfectly awake people who enter them, so all of this could just be coming from Jack.

Also, it sometimes blows me away when I think of where some characters started (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003449) compared to how much they've changed since. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007211)

[Revising Ocelot]

Or, if we look at it from the perspective of what John was talking about before he passed out, it's the memory of him finding his Dad's corpse.

A lot of bad memories actually - dead parents, Dream Jade suffering death by chunk o' Prospit, and Grimdark Rose. Also Jack showing him his stabs. Follows on from possibly the angriest John has ever been.

Oh well, if Jack starts showing regret for all these things he's done, we can at least maintain faith in robo-Slick for spontaneous stabbings.


Also, regarding PM chasing Jack, it's the post(wo)man chasing the dog.

[Locke cole]

John's going to get killed off again, before PM can make it there to intervene, cementing his place as the most frequently killed kid in Homestuck.

[Flarecobra]

That is, if you discount all the Ardria-bots.

[POS Industries]

Well, he did say "kid."

[Loyal]

Besides, if we counted that we'd probably have to count all the doomed ghosts LE vaporized which would, at minimum, make the tally even again.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well, this is pretty obviously John's dream.

Also the fact that a memory of Rose is like the second thing we see in what is probably John's dream does not go unnoticed!

Its also John's last memory of Rose before going off to start The Scratch.

[Flarecobra]

Can anyone else see Jack looking around there and doing some remenicing?

[Locke cole]

"Heh. Decapitated him pretty good, didn't I?"

[Flarecobra]

"Got some good distance on that one."

[Specterbane]

"Space rules, Time drools. Along with everything else for that matter."

[Revising Ocelot]

I don't think John, or anyone else has seen the destroyed Bilious Slick, right? I guess Jack's entry is influencing the dream bubble, much like how LE made a Felt Manor pop up - if a Dersite is capable of actually influencing it, however.

[Arcanum]

You know what would be great? If John falling asleep was just to fake us out, and this is Jack's dream bubble, and only Jack's. It would be doubly awesome if it's Jack's dead future self (and not an alternate timeline him). After all, time is all kinds of messed up in the Furthest Ring.

[Revising Ocelot]

And there's the troll Prospit being blown up by Green Miles.

I am liking the artwork in these Jack updates, I must say.

[Locke cole]

And there's the troll Prospit being blown up by Green Miles.

I am liking the artwork in these Jack updates, I must say.

And a dismembered Billious Slick floating around. Seems this bubble is showing all of Jack's carnage and destruction. Really makes me wonder What's In The Box, Jack.

[Solid Snake]

...I have no idea what's going on here, I'll just assume it'll make sense momentarily.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Seems obvious? Jack flew into a dream bubble to evade PM and now its reflecting his memories.

[Revising Ocelot]

No Jack. That's for smashing, not stabbing. Put it down.

[Locke cole]

I dunno, that horn looks kinda sharp.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I was really hoping that hammer was called the Vriska Fucker.

[POS Industries]

No, that hammer belongs only to John.

The hammer is his penis.

[Revising Ocelot]

Nah, back in A6I2 he thought Vriska was crazy and wanted nothing to do with romantic shenanigans.

And now in A6I3 he's getting mad about other people breaking up. Actually, I should think his opinion of everyone else is currently rock bottom. Jade doesn't understand his cabin fever, the Dave he currently knows has offended him to the core, he (I think) doesn't know if Rose is still all GrimDarky and spouting gibberish, and he's probably forgotten most things about the trolls other than they got him killed and shouted at him a lot. He hasn't spoken to any for two years other than one that tried to fork up someone else.

He's probably going to get super-mad if Jack is hesitant about showing John his stabs/smashes.

[POS Industries]

Jesus Christ, RO, it was just a joke, fuck.

[Revising Ocelot]

What's a Dr Horrible?

[Locke cole]

We already knew it was called the Popamatic Vrillyhoo Hammer.

[Solid Snake]

Ahahaha Dream-John is now going to be 'killed' with his own hammer

[POS Industries]

What's a Dr Horrible?
Okay so this is very clearly a thing you need to sit down and watch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esiIFLI3ryI)

[Locke cole]

Like I said. we're going to cement John as the most frequently killed kid who isn't a Time player.

[Revising Ocelot]

At worst it'll just make him wake up. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006658) Not even any blood! Very disappointing. I'm suspecting Jack may just not bother this time round. Two years of running away and horrible reality explosions to pacify the ol' stablust.

Also that Dr Horrible thing is 40 minutes and it's 2:45AM here. I'll watch it in the daylight, assuming I don't forget about it (which I will).

[POS Industries]

I swear to god if you come back without watching it then I will ban you until you do. :mad:

[Flarecobra]

THOSE are some deep blue eyes.

[Locke cole]

THOSE are some bright yellow eyes.

Update, ye lubbers

It occurs to me that Jack has lost some of his insurmountable advantage here. He can't teleport out here. Then again, Jackspers Noirlecrow fought Bro and Davesprite to a standstill anyway, so...

[POS Industries]

He can't teleport out here.
Why not?

[Locke cole]

The Furthest Ring isn't actually part of the Green Sun's domain. More like its medium or something. Jade explained it in one of the previous intermissions. It's the same reason Jade can't teleport the ship across the Yellow Yard, and is constrained to special relativity.

[Loyal]

oEizTHIPei0

[POS Industries]

The Furthest Ring isn't actually part of the Green Sun's domain. More like its medium or something. Jade explained it in one of the previous intermissions. It's the same reason Jade can't teleport the ship across the Yellow Yard, and is constrained to special relativity.
It seems you've misunderstood her exposition. Jade's powers don't work because she's in Hussie's house, which due to being outside the bounds of the story itself means that the Green Sun's energy doesn't exist there.

The Furthest Ring can't possibly be outside of the Green Sun's domain because that's where the Green Sun is located.

[Arcanum]

It seems you've misunderstood her exposition. Jade's powers don't work because she's in Hussie's house, which due to being outside the bounds of the story itself means that the Green Sun's energy doesn't exist there.

The Furthest Ring can't possibly be outside of the Green Sun's domain because that's where the Green Sun is located.

Well then why didn't Jack teleport after the meteor? Or PM teleport after Jack? Hmmmm?

[Aldurin]

Well then why didn't Jack teleport after the meteor? Or PM teleport after Jack? Hmmmm?

Teleporting probably assumes enough understanding of spacial concepts and the intended destination in order to actually teleport there, and given how non-linear time AND space are outside of the sessions, teleporting could displace Jack and/or PM far from the general location and timeline. The best each can do is chase after what is in front of them because that will always lead them to their destination (a concept Hussie elaborated on when he explained why seeing the Green Sun from the Troll session allowed Sollux to have a reliable path to it).

[POS Industries]

Well then why didn't Jack teleport after the meteor? Or PM teleport after Jack? Hmmmm?
Why has Jack ever decided to travel by any manner other than teleporting since gaining Bec's powers? Because he's been shown flying and walking around quite a lot before PM started chasing him.

EDIT: Well, actually, I take it back, according to this page (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006204), the Furthest Ring really is outside of the Green Sun's domain in spite of it being where it's physically located, which doesn't make any goddamn sense, but there you have it.

EDIT x2 COMBO: I mean, no, really, that's the dumbest possible thing and I guess it's something I'd blocked out of my mind because that whole page was completely preposterous. If the ship is going at the fucking speed of light, which is 186000 mph, then it would almost instantaneously clear the distance of a single yard regardless of how small the object is, because even if that was how it worked, which it is not, they obviously aren't smaller than a particle of light which would of course also clear that distance almost instantaneously BECAUSE THAT'S HOW FUCKING LIGHT WORKS.

And then Hussie also threw in that whole bullshit of the Green Sun's powers not working near the fucking source because apparently it's always Opposite Day in the Furthest Ring or something. Like, there is no way that makes any sense. The energy would have to travel through the Furthest Ring to reach any session or universe that it would be used in, meaning that it would have to be present within the Ring itself for that to work. None of this was even remotely thought out well at all just because Hussie decided he needed to have a three-year timeskip and needed a bullshit excuse to handwave it away because in a story about TIME TRAVEL it's just completely unbelievable that a group of characters from 2009 could just wind up entering a session taking place in 2011 without having to travel to that point in time at a speed of one second per second.

Obviously.

So thanks guys for making me remember that. It had been a while since I'd been angry at Homestuck and I'd started to forget what that was like.

FINAL EDIT: I'm actually not really all that mad about it but it was pretty lazy and dumb from a narrative standpoint. I was hoping that it wouldn't have to be a thing again but I guess it's going to be with this John/Jack fight scene. Oh wellz.

[Art of Hilt]

For some reason I didn't really question the Green Sun thing.

In my head it sort of automatically translated to the Green Sun being like a battery, the Furthest Ring being a compartment with a mess of wires in it, and the universes were where the wires from the battery actually connect to. The power doesn't go to the compartment, it only goes through it to where the wires lead.

The speed of light thing is just straight out wrong though, you're totally right to be mad about that.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Space poooooooooowers.

Also I just thought it was just Hussies house being weird that made the journey take so long from John and Jade's perspective.

[Revising Ocelot]

Just file it under the Weird Plot Shit folder and walk away.

Like how Slick's robo-arm, back when he invaded Scratch's apartment, never got explained and probably never will.

[Locke cole]

Maybe the space between the Walls is actually a sort of extradimensional space that is only a yard when looked from outside. Kinda like Futurama, with the boxes that contained an entire universe on the inside, but were only about a few feet cube on the outside.

And I guess the Green Sun is just really weird. Seems like it's less "It works everywhere but for these designated exceptions", and more like "It works inside incipispheres and those sessions' home universes, and that's about it." I guess I'll go with the "big battery" thing myself, or rather the idea that if the Green Sun were a nuclear reactor, the Furthest Ring would be that big tub of water they sink it in so that it winds upb glowing blue.

[Odjn]

Hammer time.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I thought the joke behind the three years thing was a riff on the 'Webcomic Time' that had occurred in the plot until then. Like, it was only one day in between Act 1-5, but it took around 3 years for all of that to be written. Now that John and Jade were in Hussie's home (the realworld more or less), they had to take as much time as everyone else for things to move along.

[Aldurin]

Epic casual block by Jack, he gets all the cool points until Meenah takes them back.

[Revising Ocelot]

Epic casual block by Jack, he gets all the cool points until Meenah takes them back.

Or he's repeating that thing of not even trying to fight back. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006683)

Don't prove me right now Hussie, I HATE being right.

[Flarecobra]

Prepare to be disappointed then. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007240)

[Revising Ocelot]

That went up about 12 hours ago. I was referencing it with the link because they're very similar pictures. :(

[Art of Hilt]

I don't think that's him not trying to fight back, that looks like he's really overwhelmed by John's sudden passionate attacks.

[Menarker]

I wonder if anyone noticed that the frog universe is literally falling to pieces. (The platform John is using seems to be its hand.) (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007241)

Yes, the universe having a cancer of sort is old news, but I didn't think it was that far along.

[Locke cole]

It's dismembering because Jack blew him to pieces with Red Miles.

[Flarecobra]

Nice job with The Windy Thing.

[Revising Ocelot]

Or he's repeating that thing of not even trying to fight back. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006683)

Don't prove me right now Hussie, I HATE being right.

Ah, there we go. Thanks Hussie.

[Ecks]

it looks like jack's really strangling to hold john at bay

[Arcanum]

Boooooooo

[Loyal]

Ecks has just the most appropriate avatar right now.

[POS Industries]

I really don't want Kanaya to be in this scene because that might involve any number of heartbreaking outcomes.

EDIT: And that was pretty much perfect. The dream Rose was a... distaction!

[Locke cole]

Ruse Lalonde

[Revising Ocelot]

I checked SBAHJ just in case.

this is complete bulb shit

[Aldurin]

It's great how Jack is beginning to lose it due to the number of un-murdered people he is encountering.

[Specterbane]

Best. Dream. Ever.

[Art of Hilt]

John BECOMING THE WIND is such a great payoff to all these updates.

Rose is adorable god damn.

Also, that is significantly less shipping than I expected.

(I am indirectly admitting that I was expecting shipping. I'm always expecting shipping. I- I can't get out of this mindset. H e l p m e)

[Solid Snake]

Rose w'sup with your suggestive eyebrows?

EDIT: I love how every single Homestuck fan I knows inevitably hates the shippers early on into their fandom, assuming the shippers are just crazy obsessed fanboys.
...And then I love watching every single Homestuck fan inevitably descend into ship obsessions themselves. It's just glorious.

[Revising Ocelot]

Rose w'sup with your suggestive eyebrows?

EDIT: I love how every single Homestuck fan I knows inevitably hates the shippers early on into their fandom, assuming the shippers are just crazy obsessed fanboys.
...And then I love watching every single Homestuck fan inevitably descend into ship obsessions themselves. It's just glorious.

Still got that blackrom thing going with Vriska? I know, she hasn't been in the comic for a few hundred pages now. Shameful of her to abandon you.

[Flarecobra]

That's gotta hurt.

[Locke cole]

I've got a feeling that Team Fuck Shit Up is going to show up in the 3rd Bubblrbound thing. If anyone would immediately join Meena's little cherubcidal squad the second the opportunity presents itself...

[Solid Snake]

Oh man, this latest update has gotta be on my shortlist of Top Ten Non-Flash updates

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh man John youve done and did it now

[Art of Hilt]

If Rose did not intervene in that very moment, John could have gotten any one of the other (8^8)-1 rolls that were available, including Ancestral Awakening.

Thank goodness she did!

[Flarecobra]

Ohhh shit.

On the plus side... find some way to manipulate the rolls....

[Arcanum]

Talk about adding insult to injury.

And for those curious.

1 - Pony Stampede
2 - T-Rex
3 - Elf
4 - Prank
5 - Reroll x2
6 - McConaughey
7 - Naptime
8 - Ridiculous Hat

I have a feeling Naptime will save the day against LE. Or it's just a red herring.

[mauve]

This update is glorious. All of it. Distraction Rose, John Becomes The Wind, the Ridiculous Hat.... all of it.


Although let's hope Jack doesn't become some sort of Magical Bunny Wizard now because of the Ridiculous Hat.

[Locke cole]

No, Jack's probably just going to right off the deep end. Remember what started all this for him?

[POS Industries]

Yeah, but he can't stab John to solve the problem now. That's all Jack knows how to do.

[Locke cole]

He also knows how to walk. He can't walk and stab in the same motion, though. It has to be walk, stab, walk.

[Specterbane]

Well, there's also blow up the everything. As we're seeing all around them.

[Odjn]

That's a pretty decent chunk of Jack's hp.

[Ryong]

Talk about adding insult to injury.

To be fair, I think the hat will deal more damage than the hammer bash itself.

[Loyal]

That's a pretty decent chunk of Jack's hp. It is until you consider that this is only the first hit he's landed out of however many attempts, and even that required a diversion.

[Odjn]

It is until you consider that this is only the first hit he's landed out of however many attempts, and even that required a diversion.

Considering that he's not a maxed god tier and he hasn't taken any damage, still pretty good.

[rpgdemon]

Plus, Jack still hasn't landed a hit.

[Aldurin]

Jack should give the silly hat to PM as a peace offering, then maybe stab her if they don't go into blackromlicious hatesex immediately.

[Specterbane]

Oh John...that face...it's a thing of beauty.

[Revising Ocelot]

PM is pulling a counter-distaction so Jack can get his stabs on. She's jealous of other people trying to kill Jack!

[Art of Hilt]

All John needed to do was pull a prank on an omnipotent universe-destroying monster to cheer himself up.

What a qt.

[Menarker]

Heh, I imagine Jack is going to be pretty enraged at John for embarrassing him with a goofy hat in front of his love interest (despite it currently being one-sided).

[stefan]

oh my (http://www.vocaltwit.com/4636)

[POS Industries]

oh my (http://www.vocaltwit.com/4636)
Okay good so we're all caught up here that this is a thing that happened. (http://www.vocaltwit.com/4647)

[Premmy]

Jesus Christ Grey Delisle is amazing.

[Arcanum]

John it's not pawlite to stare.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Basco as Tavros and Delisle as Vriska both go together so great.

[Flarecobra]

So he embarrased Jack into retreat... that's a new tactic.

[Locke cole]

More like he considers PM a real threat and John inadvertently stalled him until she showed up

[Flarecobra]

Poor hat got no love. Just falls into the dreambubble depths.

[Ryong]

More like he considers PM a real threat and John inadvertently stalled him until she showed up

"I've killed this kid in one hit before, I can kill him again." I guess.

[Locke cole]

Basically. John's got new tricks, and Noir is hampered by his inability to access the full range of powers, but even with all that, it took quite some doing for John to land a single hit on him, so he probably doesn't think that John stood a very good chance of actually winning. However the fight with John would have gone, though, John + PM is just mathematically not a fight Noir's going to win, so he had to start retreating again.

[Aldurin]

Looks like John is entering the death desert where Vriska and Tavros are, but what's with the spell-circle thing?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Looks like John is entering the death desert where Vriska and Tavros are, but what's with the spell-circle thing?

Its a compass symbol. Vriska's land (Maps and Treasures) had compass roses across the sky.

[Locke cole]

Which is probably a higher chance of him meeting Team Fuck Shit Up, if he's entering a land that's a mashup of Tavros and Vriska's Lands.

[POS Industries]

That or Hussie is going to ride in on Eridan's lusus and stab John to wake him up.

It's just not John's birthday if he doesn't get stabbed at least once.

[Solid Snake]

Naaaah this is going to end with some horrific John / Vriska ship shoutout that's going to send me into a steaming rage

[Flarecobra]

I can see John asking that horse "Whadda want ya mook?" with that face.

[Aldurin]

It's just a shame that it's unlikely that Hussie will appear in the sand and propose to John, given his elsewhere-ness and the lack of Hussie/John shipping on his Formsprumblr.

[Odjn]

Oh boys. There's enough hussie for both of you~

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

No there isn't. Hussiebot got killed remember? There's a pretty limited Hussie supply at this point.

[Flarecobra]

Yes Tavi, you did see it first.

And Dead!Hussie was following around that wannabe-Fonzie, wasn't he?

[POS Industries]

And Dead!Hussie was following around that wannabe-Fonzie, wasn't he?
Only to get to his seahorse lusus. After that he flies off, presumably because his planet needs him.

[Arcanum]

Well this is going to be awkward.

[Loyal]

I will say, this is not a shipping war I could have seen coming.

Glorious.

[Dracorion]

Whoa, WHOA.

Where the hell did all this backbone come from, Tavros?

[POS Industries]

Where the hell did all this backbone come from, Tavros?
It healed up when he became a ghost.

[Solid Snake]

Reading Tavros refer to Vriska as his matesprit really felt so out-of-character.
Actually, Tavros in general right now feels really out-of-character.
Like, even aside from the fact that I vehemently oppose the ship.
I'm not a huge fan of John and Vriska either, but if John expressed romantic feelings for Vriska I'd have to at least concede that despite hating the plot twist, it sort of made sense?
But for me this shatters my belief in the narrative. Tavros isn't only aggressively antagonizing John, he genuinely loves Vriska now?!? Welp.

In related news, it's hysterical that these last three strips or so alone single-handily destroyed any appreciation I had for Tavros to such an extent that he's now one of my least favorite characters

EDIT: The irony here is that Hussie created an entire version of romance in blackrom that actually would perfectly fit Tavros and Vriska without in some way appearing to condone her abuse, torture and murder
And he chose to have Tavros suddenly and inexplicably define her as a matesprit anyway

[POS Industries]

Yeah, Tavros was always a perfectly nice, considerate, likable guy before. Like when he murdered Jade's grandpa, used the story about it to try to hit on her, and then when she was understandably put off by it reassured her that it was okay ecause he wasn't going to let the whole thing get HIN down or hurt his newfound self-esteem.

His being a complete jerk right here is completely unprecedented.

[Solid Snake]

His being a complete jerk right here is completely unprecedented.

Point taken, but I do feel there's a degree of active aggression / hostility with Tavros here that's utterly unlike the passive-aggressive, almost unintentional and misguided sort of douchebaggery that we're used to with him.

I never really liked Tavros -- at best there was sort of a pitiable appreciation for him that bordered on ambivalence, or perhaps there was merely a continual preference to see him 'win' when the alternative was Vriska -- but I hoped there was more a consistency in Hussie's approach to his characterization than this.

[Art of Hilt]

I'm chalking it up to Stocholm Syndrome until the next update proves me completely wrong.

[Solid Snake]

I'm chalking it up to Stocholm Syndrome until the next update proves me completely wrong.

But in earlier moments throughout the story when it'd make the most sense for Tavros to experience Stockholm Syndrome, he doesn't!
...I'm probably just upset that this contradicts my headcanon of Tavros as being incapable of traditional troll relationships, though.

[POS Industries]

Well, we don't really know how long the two of them have been running around together. Given the "time doesn't really exist" nature of the Furthest Ring, it could have been quite a few years, and Tavros might have grown into the jackass he was always meant to be (idolizing Rufio of all people? this should have been obvious), or spending so much time with Vriska in an environment where she wasn't ACTIVELY abusing him had a negative impact on his personality.

That's more the problem with these timeskips than anything. We're missing a great deal of the time involved where these character developments happen, so while it makes perfect sense from the characters' perspectives for Tavros to be an angry, confrontational asshole or John to be an angsty mess, we're not seeing everything that caused what actually were gradual transformations in their personalities, so they seem like they're completely out of left field.

Of course, I've been pretty up front about my dislike for the timeskip from the moment it was first mentioned, so I've long since gotten over the bulk of my anger regarding it.

[Solid Snake]

Well, we don't really know how long the two of them have been running around together. Given the "time doesn't really exist" nature of the Furthest Ring, it could have been quite a few years, and Tavros might have grown into the jackass he was always meant to be, or spending so much time with Vriska in an environment where she wasn't ACTIVELY abusing him had a negative impact on his personality.

I don't disagree with the underlying logic here, but it tends to run into the same trap that tends to underline a lot of my criticism of Homestuck as a whole (and it sounds like we share a similar criticism here, but I wouldn't limit it solely to the timeskip), which is that Hussie often demands his readers to make an endless number of unsubstantiated assumptions, then criticizes his readers for failing to grasp what was obvious to him and maybe that one other fanatic but has no substantial foundation in anything that's actually been told or shown to the reader.

Great writers toy with timeskips and other narrative devices that affect chronology all the time, but they make sure their readers are informed along the way so that major tonal shifts and shifts in character's personality traits and whatnot are justifiable within the narrative.

In this case, when Hussie's established that Vriska has abused, tormented and ultimately killed Tavros, there's kind of an important gap here where Hussie needs to flesh out why Tavros has suddenly completely changed his mind regarding feelings for Vriska, before expecting people who were otherwise completely disconcerted with Vriska's past treatment of a disabled / handicapped individual (who she inflicted said harms to) to feel completely okay with a sudden influx of redrom feelings from the abused to the abuser.

I mean I feel pretty squicky about it and I've never been a victim of abuse, I worry about how people who've actually been abused might interpret this as rather insensitive.

EDIT: On that note I'll quickly add that something that's sort of bothered me regarding Vriska and Tavros in general is that Andrew's narrative strongly implies a greater sympathy from the author towards the abuser than the abused, insofar as I feel that the majority of their story has either been told from Vriska's biased perspective, or insofar as Vriska's past misdeeds and abuse are sown alongside 'justifications' in the form of excuses for her behavior -- ranging from "It's just troll culture, and troll culture is different than human culture so we can't really judge her" to "But Tavros is kind of a selfish idiot, too" to "But Vriska's so badass!" even "But she's changed now, let's forget what she was like then" -- that just irritate the crap out of me.

EDIT 2: I mean if a foreign culture on Earth engages in -- for example -- an inhumanely misogynistic practice, none of us would ever dare say anything to the effect of "Well it's just their culture, therefore we can't criticize that behavior," so every time I hear that relating to Vriska I just want to snap things.

[POS Industries]

In this case, when Hussie's established that Vriska has abused, tormented and ultimately killed Tavros, there's kind of an important gap here where Hussie needs to flesh out why Tavros has suddenly completely changed his mind regarding feelings for Vriska, before expecting people who were otherwise completely disconcerted with Vriska's past treatment of a disabled / handicapped individual (who she inflicted said harms to) to feel completely okay with a sudden influx of redrom feelings from the abused to the abuser.
I agree. And it's kind of totally likely that we'll be getting that explanation shortly, since that's usually always how it goes. A surprising plot twist is revealed, the audience wonders why it happened, an explanation arrives shortly thereafter. This is how it's been for quite a while, and it's entirely probable at this point that this situation will be no different.

But for now I chalk it up to the very simple and firmly established reason of "Tavros is an idiot."

On that note I'll quickly add that something that's sort of bothered me regarding Vriska and Tavros in general is that Andrew's narrative strongly implies a greater sympathy from the author towards the abuser than the abused, insofar as I feel that the majority of their story has either been told from Vriska's biased perspective, or insofar as Vriska's past misdeeds and abuse are sown alongside 'justifications' in the form of excuses for her behavior -- ranging from "It's just troll culture, and troll culture is different than human culture so we can't really judge her" to "But Tavros is kind of a selfish idiot, too" to "But Vriska's so badass!" even "But she's changed now, let's forget what she was like then" -- that just irritate the crap out of me.
I don't feel like that's ever really been the case. The narrative has always been pretty plainly up front about how she's a terrible person. She did horrible things to people and she did face consequences for her actions on a couple occasions, but for the most part things tended to work out for her in the short run because her nature was that of a scheming villain, and that's how things go for scheming villains right up until something they didn't expect happens and they lose. In Vriska's case, it was her assumption that either Terezi wouldn't kill her or, if Terezi did, that she wasn't of the opinion that such a death would be just because she couldn't really see herself for the awful person that she was.

Hussie made the attempt to write her sympathetically, which is a difficult undertaking because it's usually not something that an audience can handle. People like things in black and white. They want their heroes to be unquestionably good and their bad guys to be unsympathetic boogeymen, because that's an easier pill to swallow. With Vriska, we were given a story about someone who had every opportunity to be the hero, who wanted to be the hero, and even saw herself as being the hero, but at every turn she just couldn't actually play that role, because it wasn't in her nature and she can't bring herself to change that fact even if it means her death. She's the old fable of the scorpion, a fact referenced even in her astrological symbol.

But we're seeing all this from her thought process and thinking that it's Hussie telling us she's a good person, when really the point is that it's Vriska constantly trying to reaffirm that she's the heroic main character. But, of course, she isn't. By the end of act 5, she's a footnote, killed unceremoniously and not even referenced in the EoA flash.

Which I think is a very interesting story, but I can see how it can be argued that Hussie maybe didn't quite pull it off as well as a better writer might have. He has some good ideas, but his failures in execution are many.

I mean if a foreign culture on Earth engages in -- for example -- an inhumanely misogynistic practice, none of us would ever dare say anything to the effect of "Well it's just their culture, therefore we can't criticize that behavior," so every time I hear that relating to Vriska I just want to snap things.
I don't like it being an excuse, either. An explanation for how she became that way, certainly, but it doesn't actually mean that she isn't a monster for doing it, and given the fact that everyone else from her own society seems to feel that it doesn't excuse her behavior either, I would have to guess that such a thing coming from her is expected to be taken as full of shit.

[Solid Snake]

I don't feel like that's ever really been the case.

If you're right and I'm wrong, then I suspect the fault doesn't lie with the actual narrative as much as it lies with a legion of Homestuck readers who have apparently misinterpreted said narrative.
...Because, if the narrative itself isn't siding with the abuser, it's genuinely surprising to see the number of fans who adhere to that interpretation of the narrative. It's honestly easier to believe the narrative itself is flawed than believe that so many people misread it.

(It's also pretty funny how so many of the standard excuses for Vriska's behavior could be readily applied to Eridan, but most who defend Vriska nonetheless use very different, downright humane standards -- based entirely in human cultural standards, not troll culture -- in their condemnations of Eridan's horrific bullshittery.)

And I guess this is a good place for us to stop this conversation because I imagine Vriska's legion of defenders are about to materialize and condemn me for criticizing Vriska again!

EDIT: As for our different diagnoses of Hussie's thematic intentions in writing Vriska, I think -- as usual -- that likely stems from our very different expectations of how Vriska's story will ultimately end.
I'm still convinced Hussie's going to pull something out of his ass to let Vriska 'die' a heroic martyr and/or allow her to have long-term romantic happiness with Tavros or John.
If you're right and Vriska's story ultimately has more of a tragic flavor, I'll probably amend a few things and end up feeling that Vriska was an "Objectively well-crafted character I loved to hate"

[POS Industries]

If you're right and I'm wrong, then I suspect the fault doesn't lie with the actual narrative as much as it lies with a legion of Homestuck readers who have apparently misinterpreted said narrative.
...Because, if the narrative itself isn't siding with the abuser, it's genuinely surprising to see the number of fans who adhere to that interpretation of the narrative. It's honestly easier to believe the narrative itself is flawed than believe that so many people misread it.
Homestuck fans being completely unable to understand what's going on in Homestuck and formulating hilariously wrong opinions about it?

What a fucking shocker.

[Revising Ocelot]

Homestuck fans being completely unable to understand what's going on in Homestuck and formulating hilariously wrong opinions about it?

What a fucking shocker.

At least I don't ship.

[Solid Snake]

But shipping is the best part!

[Locke cole]

Well, here we've got Tavros stuck with Vriska for who knows how long (two years? Less? More? Who the hell knows, in the bubbles? I mean, Tavrisprite happened in the Alpha session) So, a number of things could have happened.

Spending so long with only Vriska as company may have skewed his view towards her.

He may have grown very fatalistic about the whole thing ("wELL, IF i'M STUCK WITH HER, MIGHT AS WELL MAKE THE MOST OF THE RELATIONSHIP.")

He might be trying to placate her? ("sHE WON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS HUMAN jOHN PERSON. i GUESS MAYBE IF i DO SOME BIG HUMAN CULTURE THING, SHE WON'T MAKE ME TREASURE HUNT SO HARD.")

Or maybe he thinks Vriska is flushed for him.

[Arcanum]

there's kind of an important gap here where Hussie needs to flesh out why Tavros has suddenly completely changed his mind regarding feelings for Vriska

We've had two pages of dialogue. Pretty sure it's still possible for this to be explained.

[Locke cole]

Especially since Vriska is inbound. That should clear up some of the context.

[Odjn]

Plot relevant shipping! who'd have thought it possible?

[Ryong]

I don't know about you guys but that was a nice update.

Still no explanation about Tavros wanting to marry Vriska, though.

[Flarecobra]

Next time, on a very special "Homestuck"....

[Art of Hilt]

http://lavender-blushh.tumblr.com/post/33554591085/will-the-real-tavros-please-stand-up-a-crazy-weird

I choose to believe this.

[Marelo]

That actually makes a ton of sense.

[rpgdemon]

In this case, when Hussie's established that Vriska has abused, tormented and ultimately killed Tavros, there's kind of an important gap here where Hussie needs to flesh out why Tavros has suddenly completely changed his mind regarding feelings for Vriska, before expecting people who were otherwise completely disconcerted with Vriska's past treatment of a disabled / handicapped individual (who she inflicted said harms to) to feel completely okay with a sudden influx of redrom feelings from the abused to the abuser.

Who says we're supposed to feel okay with this? You're reading into things that aren't established.

[Solid Snake]

We've had two pages of dialogue. Pretty sure it's still possible for this to be explained.

Still hasn't really been explained, but I'm glad that Vriska dating alt-ghost-John just might actually kill the possibility of the alpha-John ship.

[POS Industries]

Pretty sure Terezi was responsible for the death of that ship a long time ago.

[Arcanum]

Update.

So hey, looks like Tavros might be just bullshitting in another attempt to boost his self esteem. Also basically confirmed that his ancestor is named Rufiio

Also all that talk about "there's always someone stronger, pulling the strings" sounds an awful lot like the most important character in homestuck.

[Locke cole]

Rufioh.

[Marc v4.0]

Hussie is pulling all the strings, and behind him is us

[akaSM]

Ru-Fi-Oh!

FTFY

[Locke cole]

King of Rufi.

Wait, that sounds wrong.

[Flarecobra]

You know, it's good to see Vriska has a plan... very much in line of the "Get the Ultimate Weapon" style one usually sees in RPGs.

[Locke cole]

Random theory: The ultimate weapon is a juju that produces vegetables, and Caliborn will be defeated like Wart.

[Revising Ocelot]

The true final boss is the guy who made S*urb and left all those codes lying around in ancient ruins and beta discs.

[rpgdemon]

Um, anyone else noticing Tavros's quirk completely changing?

[Locke cole]

He just really sucks at whispering.

[Aldurin]

The true final boss is ghost Hussie, turned evil after Vriska continues to reject him.

Only explanation.

[POS Industries]

The true final boss is the guy who made S*urb and left all those codes lying around in ancient ruins and beta discs.
Pretty sure that was the Condesce.

[Arcanum]

Condesce put the codes onto discs, Sollux put the code into grubs, doesn't matter. The code originates from the hieroglyphs on the walls of the Frog Ruins, and those originate from the session that those same hieroglyphs help create. Because Paradox Space.

[Odjn]

So looks like the next flash is coming soon.

[rpgdemon]

I saw that the thread had new posts, got excited and checked for it, and then was let down.

:(

[rpgdemon]

So, I was going to make a spiteful post about how there's an update now, to get back at you, but then that update happened. So now it would just be helpful.

[Flarecobra]

You know, Vriska has a point.

[Amake]

The more I look at it, the more I really don't like what Lord English seems to be doing. The void breaks and bleeds under his footsteps? That's a pretty frightening picture.

And let me remind you that we don't know if this story will have a happy ending. I do believe shit is quietly getting real.

[Solid Snake]

The more I look at it, the more I really don't like what Lord English seems to be doing. The void breaks and bleeds under his footsteps? That's a pretty frightening picture.

And let me remind you that we don't know if this story will have a happy ending. I do believe shit is quietly getting real.

It's funny that Hussie has repeatedly disavowed any comparison between Problem Sleuth and Homestuck, suggesting the two will go in very different procedural directions, but Homestuck's buildup towards a final boss in the endgame feels absolutely identical to Problem Sleuth.

...That's not a bad thing, mind you -- just an observation.
(...We're building towards a final boss fight that will take 1000 pages to tell.)

[Locke cole]

I thought that Hussie's said that, whatever the final encounter, it won't be a massive over-the-top boss fight like the one with DMK.

[Solid Snake]

I thought that Hussie's said that, whatever the final encounter, it won't be a massive over-the-top boss fight like the one with DMK.

Yeah.
That's what I'm doubting.
This is going to be a massive, over-the-top final boss fight. That or a massive, over-the-top final boss escape sequence, in which the devices used and the roles portrayed in the scheme would be every bit as convoluted.
(And it's not like Hussie's never contradicted himself before.)

[Flarecobra]

Or it's going to be a massive buildup... only for the boss to be one-shotted by some kind of basic attack.

[Vauron]

Perhaps there will be a massive battle against LE, only it wont be the final one. The actual final battle could be against Gamzee, with him dieing because he tripped on a banana or something stupid like that. Than there technically wouldn't be a 'massive final battle', just a 'massive near-final battle'.

[rpgdemon]

I don't see there being a huge battle against LE. It wouldn't fit the pacing of Homestuck, which has never been about long battles. It'd be more of a climax, and, "OKAY SHIT HAPPENS -NOW-.", but much like the scratch and all the other stuff, there can't be a ton of time devoted to it, or else it wouldn't feel paced like Homestuck.

[Revising Ocelot]

100 pages of Roxy trying to spell Calliope correctly.

[POS Industries]

100 pages of Roxy trying to spell Calliope correctly.
Climactic battle of the year, every year.

[rpgdemon]

TG: caliliope
TG: *claiope
TG: **callolope
TG: ***fcuck
TG: ****lilcalope
TG: *****calolnope
TG: ******were gonna die

[Loyal]

I don't see there being a huge battle against LE. It wouldn't fit the pacing of Homestuck, which has never been about long battles. It'd be more of a climax, and, "OKAY SHIT HAPPENS -NOW-.", but much like the scratch and all the other stuff, there can't be a ton of time devoted to it, or else it wouldn't feel paced like Homestuck.

Also, we've pretty much established the point in the story where everyone's power levels are so ridiculous that a long drawn out battle is impossible without explicitly depowering the individuals involved first. LE has his laser breath and all that and multiple characters by this point can teleport on command. We are in straight up DBZ territory now.

...Wait, that'd just make the battles even more drawn out. Fuck, I think Snake's onto something here.

[Locke cole]

Only if the comic feels the need to draw out the battles to match the pacing of another adaption of the comic.

[Solid Snake]

I have a feeling we'll 8e crossing paths again 8efore this is all over!
http://i.imgur.com/Rd3E0Ew.png
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO

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[Aldurin]

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO

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Your reaction makes this update so much sweeter, you know that?

[Solid Snake]

Hey POS
POS if you're around
Save me with your abundant optimism for John x Rose

[Arcanum]

See, Snake, I read that and thought "Oh man, Vriska is totally going to die before she sees John again" not "John x Vriska is totes going to happen."

[Solid Snake]

See, Snake, I read that and thought "Oh man, Vriska is totally going to die before she sees John again" not "John x Vriska is totes going to happen."

Oh man just look at John's sheepish little smile there Arcanum
He's practically begging himself for some Vriska sexaytiems

Well, John, you're a great character, but I've finally found your fatal flaw: You're a terrible judge in romantic partners!

Seriously dude choose Rose or Dave or Roxy or Karkat or Terezi or Aradia or ANYONE BUT VRISKA

[Revising Ocelot]

Snake, quit being jealous.

[Locke cole]

Snake?

What makes you think John has suddenly become interested in having romantic relationships? Like, at all?

[Solid Snake]

Snake, quit being jealous.

Everyone knows I'm in blackrom with Vriska, Ocelot.
...Under rules of troll romance etiquette she's still free to redrom anyone she wants.

BUT NOT JOHN, VRISKA
NEVER JOHN

[Aldurin]

Yes, especially John.

[POS Industries]

I've mostly been reading it as she's a ghost who had already dated a ghost of John, broken up with him, long since gotten over it, and is now in a relationship with another ghost and they both seem to like each other a lot despite the both of them being grouchy jerkasses. Because that is what is happening here.

Aside from being there to receive a bunch of exposition, which was explicitly stated as Vriska's entire karmic purpose of existence in this very update, there is no reason to even jump to the conclusion that there is any romantic foreshadowing between the two of them.

OH MY GOD YOU GUYS TWO CHARACTERS HAD A CONVERSATION THEY ARE TOTALLY GONNA BUMP UGLIES NOW.

[Arcanum]

OH MY GOD YOU GUYS TWO CHARACTERS HAD A CONVERSATION THEY ARE TOTALLY GONNA BUMP UGLIES NOW.

Well it's official. John and Vriska OTP4Life.

[Solid Snake]

If I can't overreact every time Vriska and John have a conversation, POS, there's nothing left for me to dddoooooo

[POS Industries]

Well it's official. John and Vriska OTP4Life.
Totes 4rlzies.

If I can't overreact every time anything happens at all ever, POS, there's nothing left for me to dddoooooo
Fixed.

[Solid Snake]

POS you are the worst of all critics

[Flarecobra]

How about just being friends instead of it being like an actual human-style romance? I imagine after they did break up, it was of amicable terms.

[Locke cole]

Vriska should totes set up a Lucy-style exposition booth, like Aranea.

Except when she gives someone their boonies, she steals twice as much from them.

[POS Industries]

POS you are the worst of all critics
Y'all know I'm more right than a 90-degree angle. Don't even front like that, son.

[Revising Ocelot]

Everyone knows I'm in blackrom with Vriska, Ocelot.

Yes, because that's what I've been saying previously.


Jealous.


EDIT: SOMEONE should forcefully change Snake's username and avatar to Eridan.

[Art of Hilt]

oh my god vriska you are such a good story teller i am hanging off every single one of your words because you are so smart and interesting

Wow John that is literally what you said, can you drool all over Vriska any more sloppily

I mean you did fight off a guy who was about to propose to her, also literally, but still, geez, she's dead, man, there's no future here

Why are you and Jake so bad at understanding what a ghost is

[Marc v4.0]

Considering being a ghost is just no big deal and they could be ghost buds forever if he managed to get himself dead, what part of that implies no future? That seems like all the future. All of it.

[Loyal]

And it's not like John's thinking about his future as a father or anything, at which point Vriska would become an ineligible choice anyway even if she weren't dead.

OH MY GOD YOU GUYS TWO CHARACTERS HAD A CONVERSATION THEY ARE TOTALLY GONNA BUMP UGLIES NOW.You realize how much shipping goes on even between characters who've never once even spoken to each other?

[POS Industries]

You realize how much shipping goes on even between characters who've never once even spoken to each other?
Yes, and it's hella dumb, too.

[Art of Hilt]

You realize how much shipping goes on even between characters who've never once even spoken to each other?

JOHN/ROXY.
WILL.
HAPPEN.

I SWEAR IT.

[Marelo]

Watching people freak out about shipping feels like being some kind of scientist, trying to figure out totally alien ways to enjoy a story. Heck, in some corners of the internet (tumblr) I feel like I'm the only one actually reading the damn thing to find out what happens and examine the narrative and characters as crafted, rather than to contort every tiny detail into support for weird, hypothetical romantic pairings.

I just will never understand you, shippers. Never.

[Solid Snake]

EDIT: SOMEONE should forcefully change Snake's username and avatar to Eridan.

I despise Eridan far too much to allow this to happen. He killed Kanaya. He killed mah favorite troll.
...Also let's be honest here, none of us deserve to be compared with Eridan.

Also: The irony regarding shipping is that I feel that I, and a vast majority of other avid Homestuck shippers, absolutely hated the very concept of shipping before reading Homestuck, and then Homestuck happened and suddenly we were drafted into goddamn navies.
I tend to be more an anti-shipper than a shipper, though. There are a lot of couples I wouldn't mind seeing happen, but there are a select few couples whose very concept utterly offends my precious sensibilities.

[Odjn]

Y'all know I'm more right than a 90-degree angle. Don't even front like that, son.

That makes you less right.

[Ryong]

I despise Eridan far too much to allow this to happen. He killed Kanaya. He killed mah favorite troll.
...Also let's be honest here, none of us deserve to be compared with Eridan.

Except for that guy who got banned exactly because he thought he was the most like Eridan and went on to explain how Eridan was a good person. Remember him?

Meanwhile: Goddamn shipping. It's nearly as bad as shitty crossovers, another thing some fandoms do excessively.

[POS Industries]

That makes you less right.
Nerd.

Except for that guy who got banned exactly because he thought he was the most like Eridan and went on to explain how Eridan was a good person. Remember him?
I honestly cannot say that I do.

[Ryong]

Suddenly I cannot find the person and cannot remember if he was actually banned or just stopped showing up and that's it.

Time to browse through archives again.

Edit: Found him, Hindrays.

[Loyal]

I think he just stopped showing up, but yeah I remember him. He legit just could not understand that Eridan was objectively a terrible person, and not someone one to aspire to be.

[Revising Ocelot]

At least he didn't stick around for Cronus. And rest assured Snake, the only comparison to Eridan here is your desire to upgrade your existing relationship into something more.

Now then, what are the odds on Davesprite having scribbled all over John's face during naptime?

[Flarecobra]

I despise Eridan far too much to allow this to happen. He killed Kanaya. He killed mah favorite troll.


She got better. And far more powerful then he could possably imagine.

[Solid Snake]

She got better. And far more powerful then he could possably imagine.

Still does not forgive killing Best Troll.

Really though a test of one's sanity should simply be asking him or her, "Who is the worst troll?"
And if anyone answers anything other than Eridan you know they can't be trusted.

[POS Industries]

Still does not forgive killing Best Troll.
But Terezi's fine, what are you talking about?

[Vauron]

Still does not forgive killing Best Troll.

Really though a test of one's sanity should simply be asking him or her, "Who is the worst troll?"
And if anyone answers anything other than Eridan you know they can't be trusted.

Or it means they forgot he ever existed. Frak, I rarely remember Sollux or Equius exist, nevermind Eridan.

[Odjn]

But Terezi's fine, what are you talking about?

Wow, incredible misspelling of Karkat there POS.

[Locke cole]

That's not how you spell Callie.

[akaSM]

Troll Hussie is the best troll.

[rpgdemon]

Still does not forgive killing Best Troll.

Really though a test of one's sanity should simply be asking him or her, "Who is the worst troll?"
And if anyone answers anything other than Eridan you know they can't be trusted.

Seriously? Eridancester is leaps and bounds far more of a horrible person.

[Locke cole]

Yeah. Cronus is worst troll forever. Eridan is second worst troll, Kankri is third worst, after the crap he said about Mituna in part 2.

[POS Industries]

NEW MEENAHQUEST GAME UP

RUFIOH IS BASED ON DANTE BASCO! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Locke cole]

Enjoy it. I went through it about an hour ago. Kickstarter beta testing stuff. It's pretty freaking great. You probably don't want to translate Damara's speech, though. It's, um... vulgar.

[Loyal]

You probably don't want to translate Damara's speech, though. It's, um... vulgar.

Yes we do.

[Locke cole]

Well, a transcript is given to you at one point in the game, and Google Translate gets it pretty easily. (which is no surprise. It's actually English that was Google Translate'd into Japanese). It's just... wow.

Oh, and I guess I should mention that there's an easter egg or two involving Demara. To put it simply, she can go to a lot of places you can't go with anyone but Meenah.