Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[POS Industries]

Kickstarter beta testing stuff.
Oh balls, I keep forgetting I can get in on that.

[Locke cole]

I was surprised, myself. Didn't know that was a thing I'm now entitled to.

I wonder if they fixed the one graphical glitch I found shortly after about 5 other people posted the same glitch.

[Loyal]

Okay the ending of that flash was pretty great.

e: considering what the fandom does to Aradia, Damara is no surprise at all.

[Locke cole]

Just to confirm, it ends when you're about to reach John, Vriska, and Tavros, right? That's where the beta ended.

[Vauron]

Yes. That is where it ended.

[Flarecobra]

I think Demara now has the best "Talking sprite" thing now.

[POS Industries]

Guys. Guys.

You can enter the meteor as Damara.

[Art of Hilt]

Oh, I get it. If we give Damara five boondollars, then Homestuck will have a happy ending.

I absolutely loved the interactions on the meteor. The way Rose, Dave and Kanaya all acted with each other is literally everything I have ever asked for from Hussie ever since the three year time skip was revealed.

[Locke cole]

Guys. Guys.

You can enter the meteor as Damara.

You can enter the exposition-booth room as Damara.

[Revising Ocelot]

You can enter the exposition-booth room as Damara.

I actually did all of these before entering the area as Meenah. Also the fact that Latula and Terezi say the same exact things is great.
I wonder if these 'bonuses' imply that she'll be joining Hussie in his eavesdropping?

[Locke cole]

And then Hussie nagged you for doing that, right?

But yeah, there's definitely more to Damara than just this segment. She seems to know Karkat, and she's got... something going on about English.

[POS Industries]

The horn pile room also has different characters available to converse with depending on who you're being when you go in. Rose has the most surprising revelation in there by far.

[Loyal]

Yeah, it's almost like Hussie's trying to make Gamzee an actual character.

[Solid Snake]

...Andrew always seems to have a way of making the last ship you ever expected the one ship that actually becomes canon.

[Odjn]

Gamzee is like the weirdest motherfucker. He's working with English...but he's afraid that Karkat will kill him if Karkat finds out about him and Terezi.

[Arcanum]

Hey just because you're doing the work of the Mirthful Messiah doesn't mean you have to lose your friend because of a quadrant.

[Dracorion]

Update.

So what're the odds that Kanaya found Roxy's dreamself, gave her a haircut and a new dress that looks like Rose's god tier jammies, and that Roxy's dreamself just woke up?

[Flarecobra]

What the fuck is up with that dress, I want to know.

[Locke cole]

She probably has (or had) a date with Kanaya or something.

Also, man, I read the whole "alchemy to make delicious beverages" conversation, and I can't believe I didn't pick up on the idea that Rose meant she was making booze.

[Revising Ocelot]

Apparently there's a new album. (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/genesis-frog)


Solo "month", ho ho ho.


PS. Roxy's Rosx's Rexy fcuk earrings are tacky.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

PS. Roxy's Rosx's Rexy fcuk earrings are tacky.

They're cute as fuck whats wrong with you

[Dracorion]

Is that a hint of bust I see there.

Goddammit Rose/Hussie!

[POS Industries]

I guess the big question here is whether she's getting hammered before or after her date with Kanaya.

[Loyal]

I'd like to imagine Rose is just an incredible lightweight and this stuff barely even qualifies as alcohol.

[Locke cole]

I've got the best mental image of Rose boiling various chemicals in a series of flasks, collecting the runoff and refining it, then laughing like a mad scientist and proclaiming that she's created booze.

[Odjn]

But
booze is easy to make

[Locke cole]

If you have the proper materials.

Remember that, a year ago, Dave was wondering about the utter lack of booze on the asteroid.

I guess it all depends on what materials Rose had to work with. Like, if all she had was crappy trollblood coffee and a chemistry set, that might be impressive.

Then again, Alchemiters.

[Flarecobra]

I also note it's Terezi's computer that Dave is using.

[Arcanum]

I also note it's Terezi's computer that Dave is using.

She probably stashed it in a chest, and then it was picked up by Kanaya before she stashed it in a chest where it was picked up by Karkat, who then stashed it in a chest where it was picked up by Rose, who then stashed it in a chest where it was picked up by Gamzee, who then stashed it in a chest where it was picked up by Dave.

[Flarecobra]

Well, it belonged to Terezi at some point, given the first time we see it is when we see the inside of her hive.

Wonder if Dave cleaned the screen.

[Solid Snake]

Awww yeah Kanaya is canonically into the relationshipz with Rose

The ship with two of my three favorite characters is sailin' off into eternity at full speed leaving poor John stuck with Vriska OH NO ROXY, ROXY SAVE HIM RIGHT NOW

[POS Industries]

The ship with two of my three favorite characters is sailin' off into eternity at full speed leaving poor John stuck with Vriska OH NO ROXY, ROXY SAVE HIM RIGHT NOW
If Rose wants to get with both Kanaya and John, then by god she has my blessing.

[Solid Snake]

If Rose wants to get with both Kanaya and John, then by god she has my blessing.

I know that's something we actually agree upon
And since POS and Snake agree on something Homestuck related, it's clear evidence that the world is in fact ending in 2012

[POS Industries]

I know that's something we actually agree upon
And since POS and Snake agree on something Homestuck related, it's clear evidence that the world is in fact ending in 2012
Everyone, to your bunkers!

[Solid Snake]

Everyone, to your bunkers!

Be sure to stock up on canned goods, is all I'm sayin'

Unfortunately this also dramatically increases the likelihood of a Romney victory as that has to happen to ensure worldwide Armageddon

[POS Industries]

Who cares? World's gonna end before he can even be inaugurated.

Hussie wins again!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Was that some kind of face Lalonde?

[Locke cole]

Best "I FUCKED IT UP!" face since Jane's.

[Art of Hilt]

http://i.imgur.com/FXw8P.gif

I love this update and that's all that needs to be said, because if I say any more, then it will all be in a high-toned voice while I wring my wrists excitedly, and the only ones who will be able to hear me are dogs.

And I know they're not interested in how I feel about Homestuck.

[Aldurin]

Shame on Rose, her mom drinks like a pro and she should be able to at least partially live up to that.

[Locke cole]

But this is, like, crazy-alchemy rotgut.

Refined wine coolers it ain't.

[Odjn]

Also roxy has a lifetime of experience in liver bodybuilding.

Hoping Kanaya doesn't die now.

edit: also I like how dave isn't confirming or not confirming he has a thing going with Terezi.

[Revising Ocelot]

Aaaaand we go back to a year and 3/4s ago. Horrorstuck yay!

Been betting for ages, even before the first A6 intermission, that Kanaya gets offed for good by Gamzee. Can't have two Space heroes in the new session now, can we?

[Solid Snake]

Oh God I read Ocelot's comment before actually checking the update and was genuinely concerned that my favorite character had actually been killed off

Thanks for the heart attack!!!!

[Locke cole]

I'm not sure it's quite Horrorstuck 2.0 yet.

we know from Meenahbound 3 that Gamzee's been hiding in the vents all this time, right? And they're passing by a vent, so it could be that they're just hearing ambient honks and it means nothing

[Revising Ocelot]

Man, it's only speculation and I still spoilered it. :(

Thinking about that it's probably not going to be a 12 player (8 kids + 4 trolls) session anyway, now that Sollux seems to be well out of the story. At least Aradia popped up in the first I3 flash, although she definitely won't be there. Gamzee acting as an legitimate player is... questionable, although he's definitely there and may/may not be Cod Tier. Is he reciprocating Terezi's blackrom feelings, or could she also be a target?

Also, last year on the (two days after, but Hussie backdated it) we got the English reveal, so this is definitely Horrorstuck looming.

[Locke cole]

Sollux would have made it 13, not 12.

(Fun fact, my phone tried to correct "Sollux" as "Willis")

[Revising Ocelot]

I was counting out Kanaya in that. One player for each class, but Doom looks to be a no-go.

[Loyal]

Why the hell is that hallway so fucking tall.

[Flarecobra]

It's a big meteor.

And I'd get the chainsaw ready, as well as your foot there Kanaya.

[Dracorion]

Am I the only one who realizes that Kurloz collected the codpiece for Gamzee back in Meenahbound Part 2 so that he could face Kanaya again without worries?

[POS Industries]

Am I the only one who realizes that Kurloz collected the codpiece for Gamzee back in Meenahbound Part 2 so that he could face Kanaya again without worries?
Well, you aren't now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Am I the only one who realizes that Kurloz collected the codpiece for Gamzee back in Meenahbound Part 2 so that he could face Kanaya again without worries?

ahahahaha

[Locke cole]

Update.

And now I have a sudden craving to cook up some potatoes.

[POS Industries]

So.

Gamzee's about to pop out of that grate, isn't he?

[Locke cole]

It seemed like that might happen yesterday, but it seems now that his honking was only there, narrative, to segue into the 10/25 Rosemary smooch.

Besides, he was honking from pretty far away, given text-size.

[Flarecobra]

Either that, or his ancestor.

[POS Industries]

It seemed like that might happen yesterday, but it seems now that his honking was only there, narrative, to segue into the 10/25 Rosemary smooch.

Besides, he was honking from pretty far away, given text-size.
Thing is, the grate's still there in the panel. With light shining onto it so as to draw attention to its presence.

That's Chekhov's Grate.

[Aldurin]

Nothing kills the romance more than an aerial honk strike.

[Arcanum]

Well, at least we know why the hallway is so goddamn tall. It was all for the sake of a callback.

[Art of Hilt]

Oh gosh this update oh gosh.

http://s14.postimage.org/hvg70rrun/ij_YCGLe_Gx_Y70w.gif

Gosh.

[Odjn]

Thing is, the grate's still there in the panel. With light shining onto it so as to draw attention to its presence.

That's Chekhov's Grate.

He's watching and doing terrible clown touching.

[Amake]

I have a new new thread title to propose: "Tell me about your spabes, your didamounds, your clumbs. . .and your hearst."

But what a wonderful human-troll moment this is. The beginning of our first on-page romance depicted as just such a momentous, nakedly emotional event as it probably is for the characters involved, overflowing with drunk spelling and goofy artwork

[Revising Ocelot]

Alternatively, Rose is too drunk to ever remember this and will deny it ever happening!

Or alternatively alternatively, hoooooooooooonk HOOOOOOOOOOOONK

[POS Industries]

our first on-page romance
http://i.imgur.com/EZGWZ.gif
http://i.imgur.com/ngdWy.gif

[Amake]

Huh, how did I forget all those? I only thought about the long strings of relationships recently referred to but never shown.

[POS Industries]

Huh, how did I forget all those? I only thought about the long strings of relationships recently referred to but never shown.
They happened years ago. This comic has taken forever. Not your fault for forgetting.

Also for realsies serious project request:

I'm sick of fitting something like "Homestuck discussion" or any variant thereof into the thread title, and would love to be able to fit longer quotes like the current one instead more often. So I humbly request the services of someone who is actually good at this shit to design a Homestuck/MSPA thread icon that I can use to tag this shit and be done with it. Everyone is welcome to submit their own, and as many as you like until we settle on whichever one we like best.

Thanks!

[Revising Ocelot]

http://i.imgur.com/fK91t.gif

[Locke cole]

Yeah, that's... pretty much the MSPA symbol, right there.

Either that, or the blocky house-thing or the spirograph.

[Loyal]

I think we might find some success in John's Upset Face?

[Locke cole]

...which one?

There's the angry at pogo rides (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002375) face, the EVERYBODY OUT (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004567) face, the catatonic with rage (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007206) face, the hammer-grabbing anger (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007235) face...

[Solid Snake]

It's kind of a weird update for me to process, to be honest.

I've always been a big shipper of both John / Rose and Kanaya / Rose (which is apparently called 'RoseMary' by a segment of hardcore Homestuck shipping fans I never knew existed until today.) So yeah, it's conflicting from that perspective.

...Also conflicting from the perspective that I simply thought Hussie wasn't ever going to confirm a ship between major characters like this. I thought it'd always be ambiguous. I think I'd actually have preferred the non-canonical approach where legitimate arguments existed for nearly every ship.

Also confusing in that, up until a few updates ago, I legit thought that despite my hopes that Rose would return Kanaya's feelings, Rose had actually shown far more interest and chemistry with John in their conversations.

It's weird how I should be celebrating this as confirmation that my favorite character in Homestuck has finally gotten what she's always dreamed of, but I just don't feel too excited by the reveal. Maybe it's the fact that Rose is drunk that's tempered things, or the lingering threat of Gamzee, or the way that everything is just a tad too perfect in a way that makes me incredibly suspicious.

...I should be celebrating, but I'm not.

EDIT: I think the more accurate way to describe the above criticism is that these recent updates have felt a tad too much like a Rose / Kanaya shipper's bad fanfiction as opposed to legitimate Hussie updates

[Art of Hilt]

Also confusing in that, up until a few updates ago, I legit thought that despite my hopes that Rose would return Kanaya's feelings, Rose had actually shown far more interest and chemistry with John in their conversations.

Man we did not read the same comic at all, did we.

To me this is just the subtext that was packed tightly between the lines of every Rose/Kanaya conversation ever finally coming out in the open via the loosening of lips through drink, which in itself only happened because Rose was trying too hard to play it cool like she usually does.

Meanwhile the fact that people shipped John/Rose always legitimately confused me precisely because they never seemed to have romantic chemistry. Like, how many times can you point out a possible flirt outside the one conversation where Rose sarcastically swooned to underline how ridiculous some ideas were?

These were the kinds of observations I only really made during a reread, though, so maybe it's easy to gloss over?

[Loyal]

I've always been a big shipper of both John / Rose and Kanaya / Rose (which is apparently called 'RoseMary' by a segment of hardcore Homestuck shipping fans I never knew existed until today.)Suuuuuuure.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh boy, looks like the vent is opening. Lets hope Gamzee merely wished to congratulate them on their newfound love.

[Aldurin]

Oh boy, looks like the vent is opening. Lets hope Gamzee merely wished to congratulate them on their newfound love.

That looks like it's just the lighting putting shine on the bottom part of the vent. Doesn't mean that Gamzee won't come out though.

[Dracorion]

Since when do vents open by sliding up, anyway?

[POS Industries]

Man we did not read the same comic at all, did we.

To me this is just the subtext that was packed tightly between the lines of every Rose/Kanaya conversation ever finally coming out in the open via the loosening of lips through drink, which in itself only happened because Rose was trying too hard to play it cool like she usually does.

Meanwhile the fact that people shipped John/Rose always legitimately confused me precisely because they never seemed to have romantic chemistry. Like, how many times can you point out a possible flirt outside the one conversation where Rose sarcastically swooned to underline how ridiculous some ideas were?

These were the kinds of observations I only really made during a reread, though, so maybe it's easy to gloss over?
I just felt like their overall dynamic was more interesting and engaging than the one between Rose and Kanaya, and really I could say the same thing about "possible flirts" regarding them, as well. There were just a lot of scenes with the two of them, like Rose's disappointed stance at just having missed John's visit to her house, the letter with her birthday present to him about how she was sincerely making an attempt to show affection, the awkward fumbling about regarding Karkat's shitty shipping grid, Rose asking Dave to give John a message for her when she went off on her suicide mission, and even the most recent brief encounter between the two of them had a great deal of subtext to it from both characters.

And I think it's one of the reasons I've always liked it more than I have Rose/Kanaya, because the support behind that one has always struck me as being more about wanting Kanaya to have a happy ending than being about Rose at all. She got hurt by Vriska, she's always stuck in pale relationships and no one ever seems to have any interest in her for anything more than that, and the fanbase started pushing Rose as something of a reward for her suffering and heroism than actually giving a damn about what Rose gets out of it or why she'd even be interested. Just because both characters are female doesn't make the "girl as reward" trope any less demeaning.

I'm glad that Hussie, despite clearly just giving the vocal fanbase what it wanted in that regard, managed to do something better with the relationship than what countless pieces of fanart and fanfiction envisioned it and make Rose the more aggressive party so that it at least comes off as something truly beneficial for the character development of both parties involved, at least for however long it lasts. So far it looks like whatever relationships happen during the three year timeskip aren't going to be permanent, and given that Rose/Kanaya is one of them sort of suggests that it might follow the same trend.

[Art of Hilt]

And I think it's one of the reasons I've always liked it more than I have Rose/Kanaya, because the support behind that one has always struck me as being more about wanting Kanaya to have a happy ending than being about Rose at all. She got hurt by Vriska, she's always stuck in pale relationships and no one ever seems to have any interest in her for anything more than that, and the fanbase started pushing Rose as something of a reward for her suffering and heroism than actually giving a damn about what Rose gets out of it or why she'd even be interested. Just because both characters are female doesn't make the "girl as reward" trope any less demeaning.

We must hang out in different parts of the fandom too, then. A lot of the material I've encountered totally by accident (toootally) depicts Rose as a girl given to recklessness and in need of a stabilizing, practically mothering influence. They like to take advantage of the Rose-having-mother-issues and Kanaya-being-associated-with-motherhood deal just as much as they enjoy the Kanaya-having-low-self-confidence and Rose-being-strong-source-of-support/confidence deal. And that's just one example of the way they treat Rose as Kanaya's equal in the ship, with others including Rose coming to terms with her own insecurities through the ship (which is sort of what Hussie did too by having her descend into grindrunkness after overcompensating for her date here).

I'm glad that Hussie, despite clearly just giving the vocal fanbase what it wanted in that regard, managed to do something better with the relationship than what countless pieces of fanart and fanfiction envisioned it and make Rose the more aggressive party so that it at least comes off as something truly beneficial for the character development of both parties involved, at least for however long it lasts. So far it looks like whatever relationships happen during the three year timeskip aren't going to be permanent, and given that Rose/Kanaya is one of them sort of suggests that it might follow the same trend.

I actually have a feeling this ship will be treated differently. It's not an end goal for either of the characters, because the end goal for them is "Species repopulation" for Kanaya and "Playing the Rain on her Land" for Rose. The relationship is more like a process, to help develop their characters for those future plot points. And the reason I think it won't be sunk immediately besides all that is because:
- It's treated differently than the other intermission relationships. Both Daves hooked up with a girl of their own. Jade/Davesprite hooked up and broke up entirely off-screen without a single conversation between them. Dave/Terezi hooks up in a similarly off-screen fashion, and is part of a wide relationship drama, most of which is also off-screen. Not to mention that Beta John/Vriska relationship which we barely knew existed until after we're told it's sunk. We're told the Dave relationships. We're told the John/Vriska relationship. But we're shown the Rose relationship, in great detail.
And,
- This is totally part of Gamzee's plan. I'm sure of it. With Kanaya in all of Rose's quadrants, Rose can't dedicate herself as a proper mediator even if she tries. Without Rose as a proper mediator, Gamzee<3<Terezi will keep going on the shadows. I don't think Gamzee told Rose his "secret" because he wants it kept, but precisely because he wants her to tell people, and let the information fly out there so that everything Rose feared will happen. He's a Bard of Rage; passively inviting destruction through Rage is his thing, and this is the perfect way for him to do it. If this intermission ends soon, then that guarantees the ship for at least the next part of the intermission, which, if it follows the same time pattern as the previous ones, will happen in the third year ie when the meteor arrives at the session- and somehow, I don't think the ship that's in danger is Rose's, because Rose isn't the one dating Terezi.

[Solid Snake]

Yet again, I agree with POS.
This is bizarre.

Anyway, I've always supported Kanaya / Rose as a ship, but I've always felt rather guilty about it because my support has tended to stem from Kanaya being my favorite character. I knew Kanaya was very interested in Rose, but never exactly felt the interest was reciprocated. In fact, I kept feeling a tad worried for Kanaya's sake, because I always got the impression based on their conversations that Rose was going to break her heart (again) if she wasn't careful. I tended to interrupt Rose's ambiguous brush-off responses to Kanaya as a sort of pity, akin to an acknowledgement from Rose that despite her fascination with learning about the trolls as a race, a romance would never happen.

The most chemistry Rose exhibited was definitely with John, when John's oil-slick planet was ablaze. Coincidentally those were also my favorite Rose updates. I also think that game-segment with dark-Rose's gibberish exchanges with John -- prior to them discovering their parents -- had plenty of chemistry, too. Maybe I just read too much into Rose's expressions there.

That being said, I'm still pleased with this development, even if it's just from the selfish perspective of witnessing my favorite character getting what she's always wanted (and always deserved.)

[Art of Hilt]

The most chemistry Rose exhibited was definitely with John, when John's oil-slick planet was ablaze. Coincidentally those were also my favorite Rose updates.



Wait, you mean this conversation? (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004824) Because, in the page before this, she sarcastically swoons during a scenario where she goes crazy, in order to mock the whole thing as something that would not happen and nobody needs to worry about it happening. And then in the linked page she tells John that another girl likes him, and then rudely jumps out in the middle of the conversation to talk to her own troll. And considering how frequently she talked to Kanaya and infrequently she talked to just about anyone else, it's not a big leap to guess which troll in particular took so much of her attention that it'd distract her from a chat where John is literally yelling questions at her.

I just think it's a little unfair to say there was anything about this update that was somehow unprecedented, when all the hints that Rose kept a special attention for Kanaya and that she didn't have that kind of attention for others (John pretty much outright says Rose isn't interested in him once in Act 4 for example) are all right there in the previous acts, slowly accumulating over the span of almost three actual real life years.

Maybe shipping goggles are a little necessary to notice them. But it's not as if the story didn't invite you to put them on when it made at least one half of the ship blatantly obvious the entire time.

[Solid Snake]

Maybe shipping goggles are a little necessary to notice them. But it's not as if the story didn't invite you to put them on when it made at least one half of the ship blatantly obvious the entire time.

Hell, I was wearing the shipping goggles. Or at least, I definitely wanted to wear them. As I've been clear all along, Kanaya's my favorite character and I want her to be happy -- and I've been only too eager to ship her with Rose, given her undeniable crush.

Still, from my perspective, Rose just never reciprocated.
Though that's actually been a bit of a trend with the recent updates given all the timeskipping. We're seeing new relationships develop and we've skipped years of buildup.

EDIT: Still think there's a lot of chemistry in Rose and John's conversation there. Chemistry can often be playful in a pseudo-antagonistic manner -- some of the best romantic scenes in romantic movies involve arguments and disagreements. There's no requirement for the conversation to be substantively positive or 'pleasant.' Their senses of humor are there, and they bounce off each other well.

[Odjn]

Listen I just want my Karkat/Terezi back.

Although I would be willing to accept John/Roxy because so opposite! And John would gain the ultimate comeback.

[Menarker]

I guess no one told Rose about those stairs. =3

[Amake]

You'd think at this point everyone in the multiverse would have learned to look out for stairs, but, well, it keeps happening.

So, I'm thinking RO was right and Rose won't remember a thing when she wakes up. And this will lead to drama as Kanaya tries to stir her memory and she thinks Kanaya may be lying, and eventually Gamzee will confirm it and save their relationship, thus keeping the promise of him being the most important character.

(I'm assuming Rose and Kanaya's relationship is the keystone of the story for the sake of this argument.)

[Aldurin]

Fuck, Huss. Stop trolling with the gif flashes.

[Art of Hilt]

Hell, I was wearing the shipping goggles. Or at least, I definitely wanted to wear them. As I've been clear all along, Kanaya's my favorite character and I want her to be happy -- and I've been only too eager to ship her with Rose, given her undeniable crush.

To be honest, I wouldn't know what it's like to support two contradictory ships at once, but wouldn't the shipping goggles for both sort of... like... get in the way of each other? It seems like an inevitable issue.

Fuck, Huss. Stop trolling with the gif flashes.

Rollcall how many people actually did what the narration said and waited for the flash to finish loading before opening the dialoglog

The more shame you have the slower you can raise your hand

[Solid Snake]

To be honest, I wouldn't know what it's like to support two contradictory ships at once, but wouldn't the shipping goggles for both sort of... like... get in the way of each other? It seems like an inevitable issue.

POS had the right idea as to my preferred solution.
Monogamy is for stories that aren't Homestuck.

(But yes, supporting two contradictory ships isn't easy. At times it's easiest to imagine two Rose clones, though I imagine my coping mechanism for John now will be to put all my eggs in the Roxy basket.)

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I like to think my shipping goggles are like Sam Fisher's night vision/thermal/EM goggles. One minute I see Rose winking at John and it's great AND THEN SUDDENLY

7nXNEKA-i1o

OH LOOK
IT'S KANAYA AND ROSE BEING ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE AND PERFECT AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT

[Locke cole]

I wandered in here before knowing there was an update, and watched the load in full anyway just to see what would happen.

[rpgdemon]

I knew it was a gif (I have fast internets, and as such I right-clicked the image to see if it was an image or a .swf), but I watched it for kicks too see what happens.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well that was quite the gathering.

Amongst the crowds were March Eridan and a Maid Costume Equius. Any other interesting finds aside from the mobs and mobs of godtiers?

[Aldurin]

So LE has a book that somehow predicts or actively monitors events via the pages.

And John now has a ring that gives no fucks about metacorporeal barriers or however you term dream bubble bullshit.

Awesome.

[rpgdemon]

Well that was quite the gathering.

Amongst the crowds were March Eridan and a Maid Costume Equius. Any other interesting finds aside from the mobs and mobs of godtiers?

Terezi isn't wearing glasses.

[Revising Ocelot]

The most interesting thing in the crowd is Gamzee. Specifically there's just the one, very much alive, cod-piece wearing Gamzee. He has NEVER died in any timeline.

[Odjn]

Terezi isn't wearing glasses.

Are we sure that's our Terezi?

She looked kinda dead.

[Flarecobra]

I lost count at about the 4th calling for backup.

[POS Industries]

So, did Calliope actually show up or was this just her inserting her mary sue into her fanfiction version of the event?

[Art of Hilt]

Well that was quite the gathering.

Amongst the crowds were March Eridan and a Maid Costume Equius. Any other interesting finds aside from the mobs and mobs of godtiers?

http://i.imgur.com/AdTzi.png

Sailor Moon Damara and Tuxedo Mask Rufioh are the best

[Bard The 5th LW]

Haaa didnt catch the Damara/Rufioh thing. I did notice the wizardhatted Eridans and the Daveclothed Terezi. Just now caught meulin wearing Horrus's goggles. Its kinda hard to gauge the living/dead status for a lot of them though because some of them do look like they have pupils in their eyes. Upon reflection (primarily troll eyes being yellow) and examination though it seems that all member of the fightparty were dead.

The book seemed to be Calliope's selfinstert fanfiction to me. I presume the congregation of ghostpeople/LE having Calliope's narrative of the story will cause him to crash this party soon just as Vriska predicted.

[Revising Ocelot]

Eh, if whatever version of Calliope out there in the dream bubbles is actually her trollsona made real(ish) then I wouldn't be surprised. Hey, if Tavros can have sick fires, she can become a real boy troll.

You can add this theory to the List Of Things That Will Never Come True now, I love that list.

[Aldurin]

For a moment there I half expected for all of them to be attacked in the next page by LE and started preemptively looking for the kickstarter fantroll.

[Solid Snake]

It's hysterical because I literally said just as I opened MSPA and realized there was new updates "Welp, given my luck lately and Andrew's sole interest of beating me when I'm down, I'd bet anything there's going to be some Vriska / John shippin' up in heres" and, yes, that is precisely what happened.

If I ever get famous enough to write a screenplay or somethin' the background character who gets shot in the first frame will be named Andrew Hussie

[Ryong]

What, because of a single throwaway line?

Snake

I think you're developing an obsession.

[Aldurin]

Snake

I think you're developing an obsession.

Less developed but instead fully birthed, raised and put through college.

[Premmy]

Obsession is kind of Snake's "Thing"

[Solid Snake]

Snake

I think you're developing an obsession.

It's the tried and true method of dealing with tragedy over important things: Take something that isn't important at all, and blow that way out of proportion so that you're two infuriated regarding the romantic status of a fictitious couple to reflect on how your real failures are destroying your life

EDIT: Also I am not the slightest bit obsessed with ponies or Prem, despite Prem's desperate wishes otherwise

[Bard The 5th LW]

It's hysterical because I literally said just as I opened MSPA and realized there was new updates "Welp, given my luck lately and Andrew's sole interest of beating me when I'm down, I'd bet anything there's going to be some Vriska / John shippin' up in heres" and, yes, that is precisely what happened.

If I ever get famous enough to write a screenplay or somethin' the background character who gets shot in the first frame will be named Andrew Hussie

Snake

Snake

John was present for all of like 1/5 of that flash

Just avert your attention to things that are actually happening

[Aldurin]

But Snake can't. He adheres to normal attention priority the same way Pseudo 51 adheres to normal game design.

[POS Industries]

Upon reflection (primarily troll eyes being yellow) and examination though it seems that all member of the fightparty were dead.
There are two definite exceptions: God Tier Aradia and Gamzee. It's also possible that one of the two dragon cosplay Terezis is alive, but that's not really possible to confirm either way.

And it is especially interesting to note, as RO also mentioned, that we've never seen a dead Gamzee.

[Arcanum]

But Snake can't. He adheres to normal attention priority the same way Pseudo 51 adheres to normal game design.

I think you mean Suda51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goichi_Suda)

[Aldurin]

I think you mean Suda51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goichi_Suda)

Ok, but my spelling makes more sense personally.

[Premmy]

Not really.

[Amake]

The most interesting thing in the crowd is Gamzee. Specifically there's just the one, very much alive, cod-piece wearing Gamzee. He has NEVER died in any timeline. Hey thanks for pointing that out, I'd never have noticed.

I didn't even know you could tell living people from dead actually. >_>

[Flarecobra]

The eyes are blank if they're dead. Granted toward the end there it got a bit hard to tell who's who.

[Solid Snake]

But Snake can't. He adheres to normal attention priority the same way Pseudo 51 adheres to normal game design.

ZING

[Locke cole]

New Album (http://brostuck.bandcamp.com/)

Well, it's more like an album of remixes, rather than new stuff.

[Arcanum]

Oh dear god bro.

[Locke cole]

I'd prefer an equivalent album called Slamstuck.

EgFZZ5v1gug

[Aldurin]

I think that'd require Hussie referencing Charles Barkley through several characters, but mainly John since he'll need to find a new source for his former Cage boner.

[Dracorion]

Good to know Dave finally finished his raps.

[Locke cole]

I think that'd require Hussie referencing Charles Barkley through several characters, but mainly John since he'll need to find a new source for his former Cage boner.

Well, Barkley is already the "author" of one of those early prose quotes.

[Aldurin]

I questioned buying this album and adding it to the 8 other albums that I have amassed, but with each song the awfulness has something to it that causes the graph of quality to spin like a circle on crack.

EDIT: Also the more I hear the GameGrl rap the more it sounds like she's in desperate need of getting laid.

[Locke cole]

Games On My Side is decent. And I want to like Olive Brouge, but I just like Olive Rogue so much more without the rap.

[Aldurin]

The Unite Synchronization mashup actually makes an interesting duet, though, which the album needs more of since singles with little more than being dragged into Audacity with the victim track is a rather common item.

[Premmy]

Good to know Dave finally finished his raps.

No it isn't.

[Aldurin]

Huh, Brostuck disappeared off of bandcamp. Maybe Hussie is moving it to the Homestuck bandcamp or something.

[Locke cole]

It turns out that the games became slightly delayed because the guy forgot to get permission (http://myusernamesmud.tumblr.com/post/35151755781/brostuck-on-hiatus).

Whoops.

[Menarker]

New flash page up.

[Arcanum]

Jack, why are you marking the passage of time with groups of seven? Jack? Dammit answer me Jack.

Also I know the whole Land of *grave* and *gas* theme was guessed forever ago, but I'm kind of wondering what's the overarching purpose of that.

I'm sure we'll find out the reasons for both of those eventually, but those are the two things that piqued my curiosity in this flash.

[POS Industries]

END OF ACT 6 ACT 4.

Okay then.

[Revising Ocelot]

It'd be pretty much retreading Act 4 (what a coincidence!) again. New costumes, killing minions, level ups, pesterlogs! Except AlphaJack is now 100% more boring being cooped up in a cell, so why not just skip over it. No time for talking to trolls (dead or otherwise) until the equivalent of Act 5, and Calliope... yeah.

At least it'll give all those wretched heathens known as cosplayers (yuck) plenty of material.

[Locke cole]

Darn it! We just spent months on trolls and ghosts and troll ghosts. I wanted to see more of the new Lands instead of just in a big flash before going back to happy fun time with spaceships so fast.

Arcanum: I don't know what the main purpose behind the naming scheme is, but the gas theming has to do with the new kids being called "nobles". As in, their lands are named after noble gasses. Which, for bonus thematic points, are chemically "dead" and generally don't react.

[Flarecobra]

Interesting... all three of those gases were also discovered in the same year (1898).

And thank you Hussie for realizing Krypton is toxic to breathe. Though Xenon ain't exactly the best thing to breathe either, as it's an anesthetic, and an oxidizer.

[Locke cole]

Is Krypton toxic? I did a quick look on Wikipedia, and really mostly found that it's a narcotic.

Which isn't to say that breathing an atmosphere of the stuff would be good for staying alive, but I think the immediate reaction to it would be falling asleep, right?

Oh wait, you're right. It's not toxic, but it displaces oxygen, so breathing it for too long would cause you to asphyxiate to death.

Either way, the gas masks make sense.

[Flarecobra]

Yeah, and to me, that's good enough to call "Toxic"

[Bard The 5th LW]

Jack, why are you marking the passage of time with groups of seven? Jack? Dammit answer me Jack.


Seven is the number of days in a week. Jack is keeping track of the total amount of weeks.

And as much as i love the intermissions, I think that -some- amount of time could have been given to this act. Like, enough to exposit on the skully enemies and stuff on the lands a bit more maybe.

[rpgdemon]

Yeah, what did they prototype, where are their sprites?

[Revising Ocelot]

Either we spend two weeks or more waiting for the NEXT flash, or it's a psyche-out end. We're trolled either way.

RPG, prototyping absolutely nothing was a plot element in the -last- act. Whether or not Gamzee got up to naughty stuff with corpses for the non-Jane kids might be seen in the next intermission. Nepiusprite? Ugh.

[rpgdemon]

They prototyped nothing pre-entry, but post-entry they must have, as there are all the skull imps/basilisks.

[Locke cole]

Post-entry prototyping does nothing to the imps, else we'd have had Aradia imps in the Alternian session, or JadeDaveNanna imps in the kids' session.

I imagine the skeleton creatures have something to do with the very fact that nothing was prototyped. Perhaps it's the hallmark of a void session.

Re: toxic. Well, it's a dangerous gas, to be true, but there is a bit of a distinction between an aspyxiant (which causes death by preventing you from getting oxygen) and a toxin (which does... other stuff to cause death).

The difference doesn't matter a whole lot, since either one would cause them to need gas masks.

However, someone mentioned to me that it's not likely that any given land would kill the people on it with just the atmosphere, so it's more likely that, rather than there being enough krypton that there wouldn't be enough oxygen to survive, that instead there's a mixture of oxygen and krypton such that you can survive it, but it causes narcosis.

Which basically means that Dirk needs a gas mask, or he'd go as loopy as Roxy.

[Solid Snake]

...Welp

I'm guessing mere hours are passing by for the Kidcestors while a full year flies by for the Kids and Trolls, so maybe it actually does make sense that we're spending more time learning of the Kids' adolescence as opposed to seeking all kinds of character developments and closure with Dirk, Jake, Roxy and Jane when that's unlikely to actually be happening in such a limited span of time.

...Still, recent developments really did merit at least one Jake post-kissin'-Dirk's-decapitated-face convo.

[Bard The 5th LW]

...Welp

I'm guessing mere hours are passing by for the Kidcestors while a full year flies by for the Kids and Trolls, so maybe it actually does make sense that we're spending more time learning of the Kids' adolescence as opposed to seeking all kinds of character developments and closure with Dirk, Jake, Roxy and Jane when that's unlikely to actually be happening in such a limited span of time.

...Still, recent developments really did merit at least one Jake post-kissin'-Dirk's-decapitated-face convo.

Been several weeks/months for the Alpha session if Jack's tally is any indicator!

e: unless we get the twist that jack is just super impatient and has been keeping a tally for each hour which isnt that implausible

[Locke cole]

More like weeks, judging by Jack.

[Arcanum]

Unless Jack just likes to keep track of his notches. (http://youtu.be/anzWEIoVzCE)

[Revising Ocelot]

e: unless we get the twist that jack is just super impatient and has been keeping a tally for each hour which isnt that implausible

Suckers that he keeps stabbing when they walk into his cell?

[Revising Ocelot]

http://i.imgur.com/6ow3g.jpg

[Locke cole]

Getting given horns by Tavros cosplayers is what.

[Revising Ocelot]

Yes I know that

But

What is he doing?


More seriously, I just came up with a Shitty Theory - Jake's planet LOMAX has the treasure on it because X marks the spot.
Also Jack makes 153 notches. and that's the number of days until 4/13 next year. Eh.

[Arcanum]

More seriously, I just came up with a Shitty Theory - Jake's planet LOMAX has the treasure on it because X marks the spot.
Also Jack makes 153 notches. and that's the number of days until 4/13 next year. Eh.

Clearly this means we won't see anything about the Alpha kids until 4/13, and we'll just be stuck in intermissions until then.

[Aldurin]

I wouldn't mind an elaboration on the events of the two-man SWAT team of Dirk and Jake in badass gas mask gear fighting Krypton zombies.

Other than that though it's really nice to see that "Oh fuck another sub-act." is a false alarm. Unless Hussie does an Act 6 Act 5.

[Revising Ocelot]

Considering the curtains in Caliborn: Enter there's at least two more sub-acts.

[Locke cole]

I wonder if the fact that LOTAK is very, very green is a reference to kryptonite.

[Flarecobra]

Given that real Kyrptonite is a light grey... (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18289647/)

[Locke cole]

Superman kryptonite, I mean.

[akaSM]

Given that real Kyrptonite is a light grey... (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18289647/)

Nerd.

Superman kryptonite, I mean.

Nerd.

Also, Am I missing something by not playing the games? I'm a bit too lazy for that and I got exams and stuff ::V:

[Locke cole]

I think I've described the amount of things missed as "holycrap" in the past.

I mean, you can still get the gist of it, but there's some important stuff that is missed, yes.

[Dracorion]

Update.

Am I the only one who thinks the future Destroyer of Paradox Space looks kind of adorable in that panel?

[Locke cole]

Nope, you aren't.

[Revising Ocelot]

That's the same face he made after spitting out a loose tooth caused by ripping off his own leg. Adorabloodthirsty is the expression you're looking for here.

[Marelo]

Also, Am I missing something by not playing the games? I'm a bit too lazy for that and I got exams and stuff ::V:

Yeah, you are missing something. A crapton of exposition and characterization in a more palatable form, as well as some minor plot movement.

Given that Homestuck is very strongly character-driven, it would be a good idea to play through them, if you want to actually appreciate the whole of the work.

[Ryong]

Since I'm lost as fuck:

Where's their Derse?

[Locke cole]

Waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy farther away, beyond the Veil.

Caliborn's definitely not gonna be able to see it with the naked eye from where he is.

[Arcanum]

It could also be behind him, since he's on a planet between the two orbits.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Since I'm lost as fuck:

Where's their Derse?

Presumably in the furthest ring like every other session's Derse.

[Aldurin]

So Trolls came with a complicated relationship system, and now Cherubs come with a mindfucking level of self-awareness.

[Flarecobra]

Man, that planet looks boring as fuck.

[rpgdemon]

So Trolls came with a complicated relationship system, and now Cherubs come with a mindfucking level of self-awareness.

And Tumblr can latch onto both and apply them to themselves!

[Locke cole]

So that's with English murdered Hussie. He's sick and tired of having his thoughts dictated.

[Locke cole]

Welp, looks like Operation: Just Have Roxy Say "Calliope" To Lord English is a total bust.

[Arhra]

Time for Plan B I guess?

Operation Time Travelling Corpse-Smooch.

[Menarker]

Ouch, that sucks for Gamzee. Looks like Caliborne doesn't suffer those who looks like fools easily.

[Locke cole]

I'm... just gonna leave this flash open for a bit.

Eeeheehee.

Is that Just? Probably not.

[Flarecobra]

Ouchies. Well, now we'll know if he is truely god-tier or not. (I think no.)

[Art of Hilt]

I blew out a lung laughing.

And then I noticed the grey strip at the end of his wings suggesting that they're just strapped on.

And then I blew out my other lung laughing.

[Revising Ocelot]

Can you feel ze schadenfreude?

[Bard The 5th LW]

What we've all been waiting for.

We've found the best character everyone. We found him.

[Locke cole]

Further catharsis (http://cance2t.tumblr.com/post/36010370147/asymmetricjester-i-offer-you-gamzee-being)

[Solid Snake]

So Gamzee's role as the "most important character in Homestuck" was to get killed by Caliborn, therefore establishing Caliborn's awesome-tier status as an awesome character?

[Locke cole]

I wouldn't put it past hussie.

I can't put anything past hussie, though.

[Flarecobra]

At least Caliborn knows the "double tap" rule.

[Dracorion]

Alternatively, as the Bard of Rage with the Jokerkind Strife Specibus, Gamzee's Cod Tier Jammies are fake even though he's still the real deal.

I dunno, I'd rather it turn out to be that than having Gamzee die in such a dumb way.

[Locke cole]

I'd say this couldn't happen to a better character, but plenty of better characters have had this happen to them.

[Revising Ocelot]

Alternatively, as the Bard of Rage with the Jokerkind Strife Specibus, Gamzee's Cod Tier Jammies are fake even though he's still the real deal.

I dunno, I'd rather it turn out to be that than having Gamzee die in such a dumb way.

Then Caliborn becomes LE because that damn clown keeps getting up after ordinary gunfire, which calls for shinier weapons and shiniest lazor chargin'.

Hey, it'd be legit if Calliope wasn't out in a bubble somewhere!

[stefan]

LE isn't hunting Calliope in the farthest ring, he's trying to kill Gamzee once and for all.

[Flarecobra]

So apperentally this tower is a literal tower of lies.

[Arcanum]

Or a poor narrative device.

[Revising Ocelot]

Nah, it's the reason why LE goes after Hussie.

Worth noting that A6I4 is next to a red speaker(?) while the clowny stuff is next to a green one, indicating Calliope trying to nag Caliborn while he just wants to move on the story and hahaha this is stupidly meta fuck this shit.

[Flarecobra]

And thus, proof that capslock is not the way to go.

[Locke cole]

Unless you have a quirk like Caliborn's, where capslock is actually the more sane and efficient way of doing things.

[Revising Ocelot]

Doesn't really sound like any previously known character typing to Caliborn. Better restate that the real true final boss is the creator of S*urb to ensure that such a character does not exist. Because I'm full of shit. :)

[Locke cole]

Isn't the 3rd-person omniscient narrator supposed to be Hussie except when it's Scratch?

[Revising Ocelot]

Not condescending and actually-knows-everything enough for the latter, and not smug and abusive enough for the former.

They're also both dead, but since when has that ever mattered?

[Locke cole]

Is he dead in the timeframe of Caliborn before he becomes English?

Death is weird without the chronology.

[Flarecobra]

Chalk it up to Weird Time/Plot Shit and carry on?

[Solid Snake]

Yeah I wouldn't expect strict linear chronology to follow with a pseudo-omniscient narrator. Like the trolls, I'd presume Hussie can contact people ahead or behind his current state in the timeline.
(...Though it's strange to speak of Hussie as a 'character' distinct from the actual author himself.)

[POS Industries]

That, or Ms. Paint has taken over writing duties in light of Hussie's untimely demise.

Which is where the name of the comic comes from.

[stefan]

I think the Goons had the best theory on this whole thing: Caliborn uses the terminal to take over the narrative, truth comes out that he doesn't actually grow up to become LE, LE is his hilariously OP self-insert character he uses to trash everything his sister liked. "abusing space/time glitches" is reference to how you can't kill LE because he's a godmodding mary sue, you need to slap the shit out of the petulant child writing his actions.

[POS Industries]

I think the Goons had the best theory on this whole thing: Caliborn uses the terminal to take over the narrative, truth comes out that he doesn't actually grow up to become LE, LE is his hilariously OP self-insert character he uses to trash everything his sister liked. "abusing space/time glitches" is reference to how you can't kill LE because he's a godmodding mary sue, you need to slap the shit out of the petulant child writing his actions.
That... is actually the most reasonable theory I've seen regarding the character.

[Dracorion]

Godmodding mary sue seems slightly more like Calliope's kind of thing.

...

Oh shit guys I just realized that LE was Calliope all along!

[Arcanum]

I think the Goons had the best theory on this whole thing: Caliborn uses the terminal to take over the narrative, truth comes out that he doesn't actually grow up to become LE, LE is his hilariously OP self-insert character he uses to trash everything his sister liked. "abusing space/time glitches" is reference to how you can't kill LE because he's a godmodding mary sue, you need to slap the shit out of the petulant child writing his actions.

I thought of this, but the narration being transmitted isn't definitive, as seen by Caliborn easily ignoring its suggestions.

Also the "jacking the narrative" angle was already done by Scratch, and I feel Caliborn doing so to write himself into being an all-powerful invincible demon would be a huge cop out. That's not to say I've ruled it out entirely (because you can't rule out anything with Hussie), I just really hope it doesn't happen.

And I want to say Caliborn isn't creative enough to write himself into LE, but on second thought "and then I become super buff with a flashy coat and crazy eyes" seems exactly the kind of thing he would think is creative.

[stefan]

And I want to say Caliborn isn't creative enough to write himself into LE, but on second thought "and then I become super buff with a flashy coat and crazy eyes" seems exactly the kind of thing he would think is creative.

Don't forget the assault rifle made of solid fucking gold.

[POS Industries]

Also the "jacking the narrative" angle was already done by Scratch
I feel like the fact that Scratch was able to do the very same thing actually lends credence to the theory, all things considered.

[Ecks]

know what I miss? Kids and fun. Kinda sick of all the clowns and psychotic aliens and fuck intermissions already.

[POS Industries]

know what I miss? Kids and fun. Kinda sick of all the clowns and psychotic aliens and fuck intermissions already.
Yeah man, why do we have to bother with all this important development of plot and the character of the main villain when we could go back to watching John fuck with his sylladex?

[Locke cole]

Or we could watch the Nobles explore their lands some more.

[POS Industries]

Everyone on their lands died aeons ago, they're currently trapped in a null session, we're having year-long timeskips for all the other characters so the four of them can have a few months of jack shit glossed over, and this update is fucking hilarious.

EDIT: And Roxy was even in this intermission and she's the best one of the bunch, come on.

[Locke cole]

There is also their Denizens, the Condesce and her new order for Derse, and more bullshit puzzles and side quests to see.

To clarify, I like this intermission, I do. I just miss the Alpha kids, at the same time. Roxy's newest chat log was nice.

I am interested to see what Caliborn is doing. A better choice for intermission. Which isn't to say I don't like the Meenah intermissions, either.

I'm not sure what my point is, anymore. "Balance", maybe?

[Aldurin]

So apparently the whole Law of Clown Immortality trope is far less subtle in Calliborn's presence. Being Cod Tier IS important..

[Revising Ocelot]

Homestuck has always (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=001956) been (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002859) about (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003844) clowns (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006765), anyway.

[Flarecobra]

Think of it this way: remember those blow-up clown bopper things?

I'm seeing this as the same damn thing.

[Locke cole]

Hi! I'm Boppo!

[Revising Ocelot]

Think of it this way: remember those blow-up clown bopper things?

I'm seeing this as the same damn thing.

I remember stabbing one in Day of the Tentacle.

It still laughed at me afterwards. Wretched clown.

[Locke cole]

Re-reading stuff, and this whole situation with Caliborn and the transmitter reminds me of this (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005154) bit of narration.


You suddenly wonder where Jadesprite went. You wonder that because I said you did. I know where she went. But I will not say.

Not that you can hear a word I'm saying.

The coat's too thick.

Is it symbolic that Caliborn's the one meant to wear said coat, or just coincidental?

[Solid Snake]

I'm just happy Caliborn has made Gamzee suffer every bit as much as he deserves to.
(...Actually I take that back, Gamzee deserves to suffer a bit more.)

[Dracorion]

Okay okay, I figured it out.

Caliborn's new buddy is totally teenage Hussie.

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[Locke cole]

That only works if he was a teenager when English killed him

[Solid Snake]

The most important thing I learned today is that I really want that Ryan North Hamlet book.

[Locke cole]

:?

[rpgdemon]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/breadpig/to-be-or-not-to-be-that-is-the-adventure

[Locke cole]

YES.

This... yes.

[Kim]

http://i.imgur.com/FNrij.jpg

[The SSB Intern]

Dirk would never sit down to a dinner that is so lacking in nacho-flavored snack chips!

[Intern Nin]

The turkey is filled with enchilada Doritos stuffing and basted with nacho dust.

[Arcanum]

The homestuck fandom is so batshit crazy, I honestly can't tell if the family is in on the joke, or if the kid did it to fuck with his (her? hard to tell with the shades and hair/wig) family. Or if this is some fictive headmate shit that the family is grudgingly accepting.

[Dracorion]

I think the shades might be Photoshopped.

Also, can you not see that grandma looks pissed?

[Loyal]

Let me tell you
about Homestuck

[POS Industries]

UPDATE

So the obvious thing right now is that Crowbar's crowbar is probably the weapon Vriska and Tavros are searching for, right?

[Locke cole]

Seems a touch anticlimactic if that were the case. Plus, unless Lord English is caused by a time device (or Juju, I guess is now the explanation), it likely wouldn't have too much of an effect on him, since its supposed to destroy such items and remove all their effects from the timeline. Actually, if it can be used to destroy whatever Juju causes his rise, I kinda shudder to imagine just what retroactively removing Caliborn's rise to Lord English from the timeline would do. His actions and rise are so entrenched into stable time loops that it would be insanity. Certainly it would remove every action he took as Lord English, which would, at the very least, mean the removal of that server from the Furthest Ring, the Demoness's actions on Alternia, the Baterwitch, the Felt, Snowman's nature as a lynchpin on the universe, one of the armageddons that formed the Green Motherfucking Sun, things would change so fundamentally as to make the Scratch look like nothing.

As far as I can speculate, anyway.

[POS Industries]

Doesn't the bulk of his time travel power come from the Cairo Overcoat, though?

[Odjn]

Probably as the Lord of Time he has control over some Weird Time Shit.

[Locke cole]

Which would make it problematic if his true ascension was the result of a Juju that could be undone by the Crowbar.

This is all wild speculation on my part, of course.

[Flarecobra]

Man, that's royally fucking with the 4th wall there.

[Bard The 5th LW]

A story of clowns and crowbars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGYO8G50CE)

[Arcanum]

Damn, Caliborn and Dirk have the same Denizen. And apparently he's super tough

[Locke cole]

Well, Yaldabaoth is the deity who created humanity in Gnosticism. Also, Gnosticism holds that the God worshipped by religions such as Christianity is actually Yaldabaoth.

[POS Industries]

You know what would have been great?

Not having the fact that A) Caliborn's home planet is Earth and B) that (most likely) the Condesce pulled Earth into the alpha session spoiled in such an anticlimactic fashion.

That could have been a couple really great "holy shit" moments that we'll never really have now.

[Solid Snake]

I'm actually opposed to this Intermission because I prefered viewing Lord English as an unstoppable force-of-nature villain.
If he becomes a fully realized character with feelings and issues and weaknesses his raw destructive power feels cheapened and he seems altogether less threatening an opponent.

I'm usually in favor of a 'less is more' approach with villains of this particular style.

EDIT: Yes, I'm aware there's still a fledgling chance Caliborn isn't Lord English.

[Art of Hilt]

I'm actually opposed to this Intermission because I prefered viewing Lord English as an unstoppable force-of-nature villain.
If he becomes a fully realized character with feelings and issues and weaknesses his raw destructive power feels cheapened and he seems altogether less threatening an opponent.

I'm usually in favor of a 'less is more' approach with villains of this particular style.

EDIT: Yes, I'm aware there's still a fledgling chance Caliborn isn't Lord English.

This is the kind of thing I would have to strongly disagree with.

Force of nature villains are hella dull, and in this case, ridiculously redundant. We already had Jack Noir with First Guardian powers filling that role. And honestly, when heroes beat a force-of-nature villain, it's not all that meaningful beyond "They leveled up enough".

Homestuck is, at least, trying to be a coming-of-age story where the main goal is to grow up as a person as you beat the universe making videogame. Caliborn is different, though. He's the guy who not only beat the videogame in a cheap, almost-but-never-outright unfair way, but he did it in complete opposition with everything the game tries to instil the players with. He kills everyone he's close to, he insists on doing everything on his own, he completely refuses to grow up, and in fact it's impossible for him to mature because of all the choices he made. And despite all this, he still manages to gain ultimate power and becomes a force that wrecks existence itself.

He is the complete antithesis of everything the game, the heroes, and the story is about. While the sympathetic characters are working so hard to grow up, Lord English is a big hulking manchild who gets everything he wants, who always wins through technicality without an iota of respect for the spirit of the game. He's practically the only real thematically appropriate villain there could be, as far as I can imagine.

[Locke cole]

I suppose that meshes with the idea that the Trolls didn't really come of age during their game. Rather, just muscling through everything by sheer levels alone. As such, they hastily created a flawed universe, a product of which destroyed their chances at the ultimate reward, and the fact that they didn't really work out their issues or grow as people much came back to haunt them in the form of 3 murderers and Bec Noir.

The issue with Caliborn seems to be that he's managing to win, despite making the same mistakes tenfold.

[Art of Hilt]

That's what makes him an effective villain. He looks at the spirit of the game, spits it in the eye, and wins anyway. He is everything that shouldn't happen, but does anyway, because he is even more ruthless and cunning and immoral and straight-out childish than every other troll combined.

Defeating him would restore not just the actual injustices that happened to the characters, but the integrity of everything the game stands for.

[Locke cole]

And end of intermission. Time for Nobles?

[Revising Ocelot]

Why hasn't the thread title been changed to AN EXEMPLARY PAIR OF SAUCY BITCHES yet. Scandalous.

[mauve]

So... Sollux... Eridan.... ghost sprite. Well that's... kind of a random combination. And is he giving Jake the middle finger?

[Arhra]

He hates everything.

Including himself.

[Flarecobra]

I enjoyed the music at least.

[Revising Ocelot]

Doesn't seem like he's about to Tavrisplode (Solerisplode? He's the colour of celery at least). Tavrisprite pretty much cleared up the hostile rivalry of Tavros and Vriska after they blew up, and Eridan and Sollux were at each other's throats previously. If Gamzee is trying to get the trolls to work together properly by doing these sprites, then that just makes his good/evil alignment even more ambiguous once again.

But in that context, who did Equius and Nepeta really hate? And combining those two leaves just one sprite for two kids.


...we need more corpses.

[Loyal]

Dirk doesn't really need a sprite or helper, judging by what he's done just so far. So that solves that problem.

Erisolsprite is probably a weird case anyway, what with Sol's prior bifurcation. Nepequisprite will probably be the most harmonious of all, but no more helpful for it in that Nepeta and Equius approached pretty much every problem in exactly the opposite manner.

[Solid Snake]

...Poor, poor Sollux.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Fef clearly gets a sprite all to herself.

Or Fef will get shafted -even more- in terms of screentime and Dirk's sprite will be the Autoresponder.

Or maybe AutoFefspondersprite?