Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Bard The 5th LW]

Right after the intermission I believe.

Here it is. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003258)

[Aldurin]

Don't think too hard about posts EvilEarl made. I wouldn't go as far as saying they are completely devoid of any logic, sometimes they make some sense, but his mind certainly doesn't use a logic that makes much sense in our universe. It's best to just discard an EE post that isn't very clear to you at first glance as a fun little interlude between two posts.

Logic doesn't have a good track record with me.

But I'm starting to see a trend I like, more slapping and head-bonking.

EDIT: Quote sigged for safe keeping.

[Art of Hilt]

Gamzee updates = best updates

MoThEr
FuCkIn
MiRaClEs
:o)

Also glad to see Eridan understanding when it is and is not a good time to indulge in emotional theatrics.

[POS Industries]

Ahaha, oh man, it's Chekhov's Faygo!

[Art of Hilt]

So that's what makes it a Miracle Modus!

[Aldurin]

Gam has the best dialogue. Ever. Of all time.

[Viridis]

I knew the Fishlady of Life would have a hand here.

[BitVyper]

Right after the intermission I believe.

Here it is. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003258)

Thanks.

[Art of Hilt]

First Gamzee, and now this?
It is too perfect.

[Flarecobra]

And thus Spades Slick reappears...

And silly Gamzee.

[Loyal]

"I bet when you kids grow up or whatever you do you're gonna look back on this and laugh. Not me, though. I'm gonna be regretting this for as long as I live."

[Art of Hilt]

Jesus fucking Christ, Andrew.

I literally laughed out loud. That was just absurd!

Especially when he shows that Andrew would just... spontaneously put on a shitload of troll paint for no reason.

[Overcast]

I was wondering why that stump was there, good thing I keep my pistol by when I'm surfing. I had the urges, ya know EvilEarl, but it wasn't so clear until now.

[Viridis]

Haha, he's having a breakdown and it's the best thing that's ever happened.

[Aldurin]

I think he ate the mind honey.

[Donomni]

OH MAN THIS IS SOME TROLLING IN THE TROLL CHAPTER HUH.

I'm not sure if it should be brilliant or overkill.

[Art of Hilt]

Honestly?
I think this is all an advertisement for those troll shirts.
We're supposed to be impressed by his Virgo attire.

[Flarecobra]

Anyone else notice that the number of -s in each "Advance" command matches the number of Sburb/Sgrub players?

[Loyal]

Well, yes. The importance of 4/13 and 6/12 have been made such that any reference to either number gets pounced upon at once.

[Aldurin]

Slick is gonna have to wipe off that keyboard at some point.

[POS Industries]

Wait, Sollux has two dream selves? Makes sense, if that's the case.

[Overcast]

The way he is floating keeps making me think he is going to pull a Pickle Inspector on us.

[Viridis]

Wait, Sollux has two dream selves? Makes sense, if that's the case.Huh? I was just assuming he flew to the other planet, but I like your way better. Everything about him involves duality.

[Loyal]

This explains quite a bit, actually. How Sollux can die twice, how all the trolls are fated to die, yet they're all in the future.

Though I wonder why Aradia doesn't have a dreamself. Grandpa Harley's dreamself remains quite well off in spite of his deadness.

[Wigmund]

Though I wonder why Aradia doesn't have a dreamself.

Because she's already dead.

[Art of Hilt]

It's possible that Grandpa already woke up his dreamself before he died, while Aradia did not. Like, if the dreamself never woke up before death, then it will never wake up full stop. It would also explain why Aradia made sure Sollux fell asleep and made him visit Prospit.

Or maybe her 'ghost' is also her dreamself? I doubt that, though. The diagram seemed to imply that her dreamself never existed, otherwise it'd show it with a big X on it like with Sollux's body.

Although I have to wonder how Grandpa can gallivant around on John's planet while- oh no wait giant space battleship that's right.

[katiuska]

I'm not sure that it's his dreamself and not the actual Grandpa Harley before he died, because he was able to travel between Earth and the Medium.

Also: ohshit troll shirts.

[PCD]

Yeah, I don't think that that's Grandpa Harley's dreamself as much as it's him inside the medium before his death--otherwise he'd be wearing a silly outfit of some sort. Also, as far as we know, he isn't a player within the game, so he shouldn't have a dream self. My guess with Aradia is that you need to be alive at the beginning of the game in order to have a dreamself? Not sure about that, though. Maybe Sollux stole her extra one.

in other words bluh bluh weird plot shit

[Art of Hilt]

The reason I'm guessing it's his dreamself is the way he got into the game. Everyone else's Guardian came with the kids on to their planets. As far as we know, the only Grandpa with Jade- who hasn't entered the game yet- is the stuffed Grandpa.

Therefore the Grandpa with the giant battleship must have found a way to get there without waiting for his kid to enter the game. Unless there's some element of yet-to-be-introduced plot (from his travels, maybe?), Grandpa must have woken up somehow and pilfered the battleship from either Prospit or Derse depending on where he woke up.

This is all conjecture because, yeah, he's not wearing a magical dream outfit and he seems to operate on the same level of reality as the other Guardians. On the other hand he was able to interact with others' dreamselves (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003870). Not at all sure what that means, though, because it's not impossible for the real and the dream to be in the same place at once?

nnnrggh my head

[Viridis]

Man Vriska's 7-iris eye is several kinds of weird without a lens.

[Aldurin]

My theories to the discussion.

1: Every dead person (including guardians) has a ghost self. Grandpa somehow possessed Jade's future kernelsprite and entered his stuffed body and then traveled back in time. (Unlikely and stupid, but we never know with homestuck.)

2: In the same way that Sollux has telekinesis, Aradia has a power. But this power either directly or indirectly manifests her as a ghost after death. And something about being dead/self-spriting disqualifies her from having a dream self. (This one makes my brain hurt less, so I like this one better.)

[MuMu]

Only players have dreamselves. Grandpa got in the same way the White Queen got out, time portals shit.

I guess that since Aradia has been dead since way before the Trolls began playing the game, she got no counterpart on Derse/Prospit.

[Geminex]

The way he is floating keeps making me think he is going to pull a Pickle Inspector on us.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=000839

BIFUCRICATION

[Loyal]

Does this mean we get to learn CD's real, pre-exile name?

[katiuska]

Courtyard Droll (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003684).

[Loyal]

I know that, but I mean Jack Noir is also known as "Sovereign Slayer" and "Spades Slick." (Edit: And Scurrilous Straggler (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003174) apparently)

And CD is "Courtyard Droll" and "Clubs Deuce" and I'm wondering what the missing name is. Perhaps "pre-exile" was the wrong word choice.

[Art of Hilt]

Only players have dreamselves. Grandpa got in the same way the White Queen got out, time portals shit.


Huh, I hadn't thought of that. Time portals is the most sensible theory. But I thought those only opened up on Skaia-side during the Reckoning?

Then again, they might start to open up 'around' the Reckoning, and since the Reckoning happened so early, then it would explain why Grandpa was there since the beginning of the session as well.

Also CD is the most huggable exile

[katiuska]

Well, Jack has five names if you count "Scurrilous Straggler" and "Jackspers Noirlecrow," but I think he might be a special case. We haven't seen any agents named besides Jack outside their government role/exile name/MC identity, and CD, HB, and DD haven't been that important.

[Overcast]

Also CD is the most huggable exile

I'm pretty sure we are all aware. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLo22lvynNg)

[Loyal]

Hrm. Well, so much for Clubs Deuce, I suppose.

Post-exile, not-deaded-by-the-crowbar'd-safe Clubs Deuce.

[Wigmund]

PM survived having part of the Apple explode, CD should be fine.

[Art of Hilt]

I've always wondered, what's the significance of those shapes?
I mean, in the kid's session, there's an egg ship and an apple ship, matching Dave's egg and John's apple pre-Medium.
This crab probably matches what Karkat had.
But from what I understand, the shape of those things are pre-determined by the Pre-Punched Cards at the very beginning.

... It just seems kind of a weird coincidence.

[Viridis]

I think Hussie just likes having repeating motifs.

[Loyal]

You know, that last panel could be shown to someone unfamiliar with MSPA for a reaction. That is the out-of-context panel to end all out-of-context panels.

[Flarecobra]

Jack Noir vs. Terezi...

Why do I get the feeling it could start getting ugly?

[Viridis]

Well at least it isn't a doom-powered Jack.

[Geminex]

Scratch-and-Sniff modus OH GOD THIS IS GLORIOUS

[Art of Hilt]

Can there ever be enough Terezei?
The answer is What no are you crazy???

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think the fact that Terezi was aware of her exile and capable of talking back to it was actually pretty impressive.

[Geminex]

I wonder who else is gonna get exiled, though? We've SS and his Cohorts, BQ (wonder who she'll communicate with?). Who else? WQ? Any of the Kings?

[Aldurin]

The recent turn of events is taking an awesome direction. I think it might be Snowman instructing her, given the font and the intentions. Especially since Slick's last target is Lord English who is the super demon to appear at the end of the universe. And especially since Slick still has Die's voodoo doll.

But I really want the story to keep it's pace as I want to see if Beuc's DNA was half of that from Doc Scratch. It would make sense given the pigmentation and the flashy green lightning.

[Viridis]

But I really want the story to keep it's pace as I want to see if Beuc's DNA was half of that from Doc Scratch. It would make sense given the pigmentation and the flashy green lightning.

When introducing the Doc, they do mention that all Guardians share the same powerful DNA and come into existence via Weird Time Shit.

So there's that. But yes, I'd like to see it happen.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I wonder who else is gonna get exiled, though? We've SS and his Cohorts, BQ (wonder who she'll communicate with?). Who else? WQ? Any of the Kings?

I think the kings need to die for the game to end, so it is unlikely a king was exiled. Although it is somewhat possible that the White King abdicated and fled.

The way I see it, the exiles that aren't Snowman or the Midnight Crew are largely unimportant.

Edit: Actueally, it was said that all first Guardian's had that DNA sequence. The only First Guardians we have seen are Scratch and Bec. The idea is that one player writes the code on their walls and the First Guardian is later paradox cloned with the code to 'fulfill the planet's purpose.' What the purpose of Earth and Alternia is remains unknown.

[POS Industries]

Oh god what (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/squiddles)

OH GOD WHY (http://www.whatpumpkin.com/videos/squiddletrailer.html)

[Geminex]

I refuse to believe this is real. I accidentally ate some mind honey and now everything is weird.

[MuMu]

Friendship is Paramount is such a joyful song...and then there's 22

oh my god what is that

[katiuska]

Well, I'll never sleep again.

[Flarecobra]

And thus Neptea shows that she can both be cute... and kickass.

She's like a cat version of Wolveriene. Or however you spell that guy's name.

[Geminex]

Hey, she's still totally cute. Though that expression isn't.

[Overcast]

There have been very few occasions that I have been so thoroughly confused and have such a distinct mixture of other emotions. I most note amusement and fear. There was definitely some fear in there somewhere. I think they finally made my brain cave in on itself.

While I wander about the repercussions of such a thing, I almost want to see Hussie spend a good long while making up a whole mess of scenery for a grip of different words by randomly pulling two words from the dictionary and putting "and" between them and seeing what we get.

[Loyal]

"Random," my ass.

The Land of Little Cubes and Tea... Goddamnit Hussie.

[Aldurin]

"Random," my ass.

The Land of Little Cubes and Tea... Goddamnit Hussie.

That is ever so bad of a pun.

And check out this ultimate shit from the image manipulation thread on their forums. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm9dE9B2DhI&feature=player_embedded)

[Geminex]

"Random," my ass.

The Land of Little Cubes and Tea... Goddamnit Hussie.

Oh, that magnificent bastard...

I just thought it was a reference to her insistence on everything being cutesy and innocent, but that is...

Is that in any of the other names?

[Overcast]

I want you to shoot me. Not in the head. Just shoot me so I can get myself back to reality.

[Flarecobra]

Now THAT is a power-glomp.

[Loyal]

If this is the first time they've met in person since SGrub started, I can just imagine Nepeta's squeeing. The face says it all, really.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Equius is really just a big old softy.

Now lets wait for his conversation with Karkat to offer us reasons to dislike him.

And I just made the connection that Red Team is lead by karkat, the RED blood, and Blue Tem is (kinda) lead by Equius, the BLUE blood.

[Viridis]

WEIRD TROLLIAN TIME SHIT

I think the POV of the 'fucked up the game, wasting time on an asteroid' players is 25.5 days into the future.

[Art of Hilt]

Karkat: best moderator.

[Bard The 5th LW]

So does this mean we can get pesterlogs between three or more poeple now?

Because that's be pretty cool.

[Loyal]

Not likely. That seems to be more a bulletin board that Karkat is exceptionally inept at using.

[Aldurin]

Karkat: best moderator.

The idiot even banned himself. That definitely proves his prowess.

[Loyal]

I do hope we'll get to see the other side of this conversation.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Karkat is competing for best troll again.

[POS Industries]

Future Vriska's trolltag is..... interesting.

[Art of Hilt]

This update...
So heartwarming holy fuck

[Viridis]

Stop banning people with future info

But let's get all Ontological and say since you read that you ban then there's not shit you can do, all Doc Manhattan style whatevah

[Aldurin]

That shit Jack did with the crowbar must have thrown each the exiles into a different communication center while they all presumed each other dead. Except for Snowman.

[Wigmund]

So Snowman is guiding both Vriska and Terezi.

I wonder who the other Exiles are and how many trolls each is guiding.

[Loyal]

We know there are at least five Exiles. So either there's a sixth we've yet to meet, or there's an uneven number of Trolls-per-Exile.

Hearts Boxcars as a shipper is the most hilarious thing I've seen this week.

[katiuska]

There are at least 8 (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004422), if the command text is to be believed.

[Flarecobra]

Be interesting if there are Prospet Agents...

[Donomni]

Perhaps a Premature Sovereign, a Patient Inquisitor, or an Angry Dullard?

Because we just aren't meta enough(Or ever will be, in some deranged manner of thinking).

[Viridis]

Snowman trying to actively prevent another Crazy badass Jack Noir situation? Wonder if she knows about the one from the kids' session.

[Loyal]

She likely just knows what sort of shenanigans Jack - any Jack - would get up to if given the chance. We already know they're Kismeses (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004295) (kismesiseseses?), so it's probably safe to assume that each is intimately familiar with how the other thinks.

[Donomni]

Huh, so it might be that every Jack Noir would end the fucking world if given the chance.

[Art of Hilt]

Yesssss
lncoming more Kanaya
in the Land of Rays & ijVsdsdQ!!kdw

[Loyal]

How does one abbreviate that? LORA‰?

[edit] each frame of that panel is gibberish, but I'm seeing flashes of "Lusus" and "Murder".

[Wigmund]

Okay, that memo made me sad.

[Overcast]

This is my favorite memo thus far.

[Loyal]

I'm starting to wonder if every flight-based item must have that same flame motif, and have a captcha code related to "pchooooo" in some way.

[Wigmund]

Oh god, Terezi's lusus is Navi.

[Geminex]

Nah, I'm thinking that when they get sprite-ified, their mentality is what it was when they died. And Terezi's lusus had only just hatched. I'm thinking that it's quite simply a small child, and has the mentality thereof.
...
Y'know, she might have been better off with Navi.

And why... why are they sniffing each other like that?

[Flarecobra]

They're both blind.

[Geminex]

I am aware. But there is a difference between "detecting another individual via smell" and... well, this: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/index.php?s=6&p=004472

Seriously, why are they doing it so intensely?

Though never mind. At best this discussion will go nowhere and at worst it will go somewhere very awkward. Let's take the best-case scenario and just discuss which of the flight items is best. I'm thinking the PCHOOOES, just because their name is fantastic.

Edit: Though admittedly, the PSSWOOOPs look incredibly badass. Hmm...

[Grimpond]

go somewhere very awkward.


They're gonna start fuckin ANY MINUTE NOW :dance:

[Aldurin]

I'd rather throw a Shadow the Hedgehog action figure into my kernel sprite, but I guess dragon/navi works for a freak like Terezi.

[Art of Hilt]

That was just adorable.

[Geminex]

Ok, that was actually heartwarming. Though Terezi affectionate isn't nearly as good as Terezi Snarky, or Vengeful. Still, nice.

Though god, I hope that last bit with the <3s is a one-time occurrence. Terezi x Karkat in the red? Fine. Terezi x Karkat acting in a nauseatingly lovey-dovey manner?
oh noooooo

[Art of Hilt]

We know how they act in the Veil. With all the snarky punchings. I think something happens between adorablethen and Veilthen that makes them less <3 for some reason! But somehow not enough to totally discard the relationship? Oh man.
(Am I showing concern over the fictional relationship between fictional characters? YES, DAMN IT. AUGH. NO POINT IN DENYING IT TO MYSELF ANYMORE. WHAT HAVE I BECOME.)

Also

CG: WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN PERSON.
GC: HOW "1N P3RSON" DO YOU M34N?
GC: UH OH LOOK 4T MY 3Y3BROWS G3TT1NG C4RR13D 4W4Y H3R3
GC: >;]
GC: > ;]
GC: >;]
GC: > ;]
GC: >;]
GC: > ;]
GC: K4RK4T H3LP, TH3Y 4R3 OUT OF CONTROL!!!

so perfect

[Kim]

Well, they could still be red for each other and still kinda be dicks to each other. Troll culture and all that.

[Art of Hilt]

I think the reason why I think something happened is because when John said that Karkat was "basically in love with you" and Terezei was all "Wait did he actually say that? In confidence?"

I remembered that because that's when I first thought, "Oh so a relationship between them could actually develop and this is the timeshit equivalent of predating gossiping huh", but if the relationship already developed, then that would be kind of a strange question to ask so I dunno.

But if that's just their way of being completely red then I'm totally okay with that. I'm not like, complaining.

[Geminex]

Oh god I just reread that conversation and "True colors" started playing in my head.
GODDAMMIT.

Also, do exiles always give advice in the Player's interest?

[Art of Hilt]

OH GOD ANDREW JUST PUASED HIVEBENT

GREAT LOOKS LIKE I'M NEVER GOING TO SLEEP HUH

FUCKING ANTICIPATION ALL UP IN THIS

[Geminex]

Heh. Better be prepared to go sleepless for a while. I don't think he's actually made the animation yet.

[Wigmund]

I'm sad because I shipped Karkat/Nepeta and Terezi/unwilling Dave :(

And will we have a [S] update or will Andrew inflict a PSYCHE! upon his readers? I'm hoping for a MULTI PSYCHE COMBO so we can see what the other Trolls are up to.

[Geminex]

As awesome as a "Terezi: Ascend" flash would be (I mean seriously, can you fucking imagine?), I'm actually thinking we're gonna go a bit further in the story.

I'm guessing the animation will be either the climax of regisurp, Terezi's destruction of the ring, or the huge fuck-up that screws the troll over. Preferrably a combination of all three.

But we're not far enough to reach either, yet. So yeah, I think we'll get some more trolls, more relationships, more smooching. I wanna see how Karkat wakes up and Terezi got blinded.

[Viridis]

As awesome as a "Terezi: Ascend" flash would be (I mean seriously, can you fucking imagine?), I'm actually thinking we're gonna go a bit further in the story.If you mean further in the story before the flash, it doesn't seem to be that way.

Next stop: Rainbow Rumpus Flashtown
Posted on 02 Sep 2010 by Andrew

That will be the last update while I do a bit of animation. It ought to take... maybe a week? Let's call it a week.

I'm sure I could do it faster. In fact, I can't really promise I won't! (<- horrible thing for me to say, ensuring rampant F5ing several days from now until time of next update.)

But I will err on granting the task a wider berth. I keep making this pact with myself, sort of like a recurring New Year's resolution that has no particular affiliation with any calendar event, that I will try and take it easier on this thing now and then. I repeatedly fail to honor this resolution, and like that pledge to lose those stubborn holiday pounds which so easily falls by the wayside, I cannot seem to shed the drawing hours. And so I keep drawing and wallowing and eating ice cream.

What am I even talking about anymore.

[Geminex]

Oh, right. Nevermind then. But that means that the story's already come a lot farther than I'd expected, or we're gonna be doing some time-skipping.

[PCD]

My immediate guess was that this flash is going to end up being an epic animation giving a quick run-over of how the rest of the Troll's session goes. Andrew has stated several times in places like his Formspring and whatnot that the point of this arc has been to establish the Trolls as characters rather than to show the little details of their game. Now that we've met all twelve, gotten a hefty dose of their alien lifestyle and had a good grasp on how they interact, I think it makes sense that he's planning to wrap up this side of things and illustrate how they ended up in the Veil trolling aliens.

[Aldurin]

A great way to pass the time while we wait for the animation is to view/contribute to the MSPA Forum Image Manipulation Thread!! (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?29862-IMAGE-MANIPULATION-THREAD-What-s-the) It's the maniacal works of many fans and their image-editing programs. Don't think that this is for an NPFer? Think again!! I've contributed much to this thread (and at the same time made my photo bucket account a backup resource in case I need to use the insanity defense in court) and it just keeps getting better.

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/homestarexile.jpg
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/fetchmoduspacman.jpg
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/RYNOkind.png

Note that if you don't want to bother then fine, this is just in case you might get hooked on this kind of stuff.

[Art of Hilt]

YOU GUYS GO
YOU GUYS YOU GUYS YOU HAVE TO
YOU HAVE TO CHECK THE WEBSITE RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
GO GO GO GO GO

NO
NO NO NO
NOT LATER
NOT SOON
NOW
RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOOOWWWWW

WHY ARE YOU READING THE REST OF THIS POST GO GO GOOO

DON'T YOU DARE CLICK THIS SPOILER UNTIL YOU WATCH IT
I AM SERIOUS DO NOT YOU DARE

That shit was so fantastic it was so intense holy fuck
Double Psychic Reach Around? Terezei going blind by STARING AT THE SUN.
ERIDAN VS SOLLUX
NEPATA POUNCING ON EQUIUS
EVERYONE KICKING ASS
ARADIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Viridis]

Hahaha, that way to go blind is great.

[Lost in Time]

Vriska got what's coming. Pretty awesome.

[Grimpond]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

UCK YEAH! :dance:

[Donomni]

I guess the troll arc isn't over yet, considering I think we'd see something in regards to how the hell they ended up on a meteor trolling the kids.

But yeah, HOLY CRAP.

[Wigmund]

Wonder how long Dream!Terezi was waiting there for Dream!Vriska to wake up...

[Bard The 5th LW]

Wow, that was pretty extreme.

Aradia was fucking pissed. Liike, rightfully so, but still, I kinda thought Vriska had improved.

[Wigmund]

Vriska's apologies were never really sincere though. She was still a crazy manipulative bitch and what improvements she did have were during Sgrub and involved Tavros.

Wild-Ass Theory: Aradia and Sollux set up the Sgrub game just so one or the other could kill Vriska and still have her live through it.

[Loyal]

When I saw "Make Her Pay" I was like "aw, shit." How Vriska blinded Terezi was significantly less ... bloodthirsty than I'd have expected.

I wonder why Sollux and Eridan are/were fighting, though? Conflict over Feferi?

Aradia was fucking pissed. Liike, rightfully so, but still, I kinda thought Vriska had improved.I think it was more like Aradia-bot, with her restored emotions, finally taking revenge on Vriska for her own death so long ago.

[Aldurin]

Shit, Aradia is the most badass female troll ever, of all time. That was not just crack-the-floor smash, that was blow-up-the-whole-fucking-area smash.

I wanna see Sollux and Aradia fight now.

And I can see how their sgrub session failed, given how their at eachothers throats at this.

When this whole troll chapter started, it sounded like the two teams were in a friendly competition to see who could "win" first (if that's even possible), not this whole lasers and telekinetic robo-ghosts beating the shit out people thing.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I know Aradia had her emotions back and was getting revenge, but I think Vriska deserves it slightly less now than she did back when. She is still a huge bitch, but slightly less huge. Tavros seemed more frightened of Aradia now than he did Vriska in the past. Vriska is not necessarily sympathetic, but I think she has become a bit more likable.

And the Troll's Session didn't fail because they were so bad at teamwork. In fact, we are told that they actually won. Its something the kids did that screwed them over.

[Viridis]

And the Troll's Session didn't fail because they were so bad at teamwork. In fact, we are told that they actually won. Its something the kids did that screwed them over. A friend of mine said the same thing. When exactly was this said?

[Bard The 5th LW]

I believe it was said in one of Karkat's logs with John. He may have been lying, but he said several times how great they all were (which isn't really a lie, they are individually pretty great). And during the memo with Kanaya, he says that a 600 hour session was good time, which implies they finished it. Due to the Rift though, their victory was more or less nullified.

[Wigmund]

I believe it's back when CG is trolling John during the first couple of acts.

EDIT: ninja'd

[Loyal]

Re: Bard

Maybe, maybe not. But do remember that Vriska had been asking, even demanding Aradia try to do something to this effect (and getting endlessly frustrated at the latter's total apathy).

So, wish granted, yeah?

[Art of Hilt]

When I saw "Make Her Pay" I was like "aw, shit." How Vriska blinded Terezi was significantly less ... bloodthirsty than I'd have expected.


To be fair, what it lacks in bloodthirstiness, it makes up for it with the fact that a nocturnal creature staring at a sun that is many times hotter than our own until it goes blind and passes out must be hell of excruciating

[Fifthfiend]

When this whole troll chapter started, it sounded like the two teams were in a friendly competition to see who could "win" first (if that's even possible), not this whole lasers and telekinetic robo-ghosts beating the shit out people thing.

I think that is the trollish version of friendly competition.

[MuMu]

I believe it was said in one of Karkat's logs with John. He may have been lying, but he said several times how great they all were (which isn't really a lie, they are individually pretty great). And during the memo with Kanaya, he says that a 600 hour session was good time, which implies they finished it. Due to the Rift though, their victory was more or less nullified.

The Trolls win according to ours(And theirs) definition of 'winning': Defeating the Black King. Except that as far as we've seen, that does not equals getting your homeworld back, so they're stuck in the Veil.

The Kids gamebreaking so far only affected their own session, in my opinion what Karkat(And the rest of the trolls fear) is that Jade is eventually going to break the game in a way that affects all sessions(Like prototyping Bec, which is the current theory), which would explain the Rift at the end of the Trolls timeline.

[BitVyper]

Alternia is/was really pretty.

Edit: And I think the Trolls are misinterpreting the rift's meaning like, a lot.

[Aldurin]

Wait, if the trolls won how come skaia has gone wasteland and the exiles are going through the same process with the computers?

[Wigmund]

It's Alternia that's a wasteland with the Exiles wandering around it. Not Skaia.

[Loyal]

It was established a long, long time ago that the players' home planet gets destroyed one way or another. The fact that Exiles are common both to the Kids' session and the Trolls' implies that there are going to be some Exiles in every session, whose job it is to rebuild things after all is said and done.

[Geminex]

Troll PVP, fuck yeah.
I think what I like most about the flash animations is the fact that they're mostly sprite-less. Sprites are fun, but it's awesome to see the trolls' "real" shape.

The music in this one didn't seem as epic as the last few, but Aradia punching Vriska around makes up for that.

[PCD]

How does Droogs manage to make being a completely terrifying asshole look so cool?

[Loyal]

It's the smile.

[Aldurin]

I liked how Jack was one-hit killing enemies using stabs with as little movement as possible, making an extreme contrast to Karkat's hyperactive fighting style.

[Art of Hilt]

It's always been obvious that Droogs was, THE BEST, ever since he revealed that he carried his entire wardrobe around with him. Every single revelation, every single thing he did thereafter, just added on to that.
With this update it's like a mountain of awesome, like some sort of Babel Tower of completely fantastic.

To be honest though I'm kind of hoping that it's revealed that he's so super competent enough to switch to another character, and that other character being Kanaya.
But then again maybe I'm asking for, too much awesome.

[Wigmund]

I wonder if Droog still has Stitch in his wardrobe.

[Loyal]

Doubt it. I'm pretty sure the Midnight Crew storyline takes place long after the Exile's part is done. Spades is personally responsible for building the town where/when the intermission takes place. It's possible for the consoles to be interacted with due to Wierd Time Shit, but all the Exiles/Midnight Crew except Spades are dead after the intermission, so I think the timeline for their involvement goes something like:

- Troll's game session begins
- SS/CD/HB/DD are exiled
- Troll's game session ends
- Exiles interact with Trolls via consoles
- Spades Slick rebuilds civilization on Alternia, Midnight Crew formed.
- [INTERMISSION] Shenanigans with the Felt, during or after which everyone but Spades Slick and Snowman (presumably English as well) ends up dead.
- Spades Slick continues to mess around with the consoles.

It just doesn't seem to make much sense for the Exiles to bother with the trolls once they've got civilization reestablished and a city to run, unless they had no other recourse.

[edit]Yeah, okay, Intermission takes place long after the Exiles have done their part. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003173)

[Bard The 5th LW]

Actually I think this was after the MC intermission seeing as how SS was locked in his exile station when it was all over, and how they are all wearing their MC outfits. However, it might just be the character's who are from after the intermission, they might be in a timeline before that.

And yeah, DD = Unrivaled awesome

[Aldurin]

Doubt it. I'm pretty sure the Midnight Crew storyline takes place long after the Exile's part is done. Spades is personally responsible for building the town where/when the intermission takes place. It's possible for the consoles to be interacted with due to Wierd Time Shit, but all the Exiles/Midnight Crew except Spades are dead after the intermission, so I think the timeline for their involvement goes something like:

- Troll's game session begins
- SS/CD/HB/DD are exiled
- Troll's game session ends
- Exiles interact with Trolls via consoles
- Spades Slick rebuilds civilization on Alternia, Midnight Crew formed.
- [INTERMISSION] Shenanigans with the Felt, during or after which everyone but Spades Slick and Snowman (presumably English as well) ends up dead.
- Spades Slick continues to mess around with the consoles.

It just doesn't seem to make much sense for the Exiles to bother with the trolls once they've got civilization reestablished and a city to run, unless they had no other recourse.

[edit]Yeah, okay, Intermission takes place long after the Exiles have done their part. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003173)

Actually I think this was after the MC intermission seeing as how SS was locked in his exile station when it was all over, and how they are all wearing their MC outfits. However, it might just be the character's who are from after the intermission, they might be in a timeline before that.

And yeah, DD = Unrivaled awesome

I think all of the MC from the original timeline got thrown to different timelines in the same temporal effect as one of the green torsos did whenever wounded, but this time caused by the vault being crowbarred. The result sent each of the MC to a timeline where the rest of the MC was dead and they were right next to a console, the snowman in SS's timeline is not the original snowman who is now commanding Terezi to kill Jack.

Time shit is weird, but it's Jack's fault that we have to deal with it.

[BitVyper]

- Troll's game session begins
- SS/CD/HB/DD are exiled
- Troll's game session ends
- Exiles interact with Trolls via consoles
- Spades Slick rebuilds civilization on Alternia, Midnight Crew formed.
- [INTERMISSION] Shenanigans with the Felt, during or after which everyone but Spades Slick and Snowman (presumably English as well) ends up dead.
- Spades Slick continues to mess around with the consoles.


If that were true, they'd be wearing rags, not their suits and hats.

Edit: And they don't all have to be doing this at the same point in their timeline, I should add.

[Aldurin]

If that were true, they'd be wearing rags, not their suits and hats.

Edit: And they don't all have to be doing this at the same point in their timeline, I should add.

They managed to build a city over time and managed to create suits. That's what makes Jack so awesome.

[Geminex]

Oh. OH. DD just got Buuuuuurned. Seriously. Burned. So hard.

[PCD]

He doesn't seem to mind, too much. He likes when a Gray Lady can take care of herself, it seems.

[Geminex]

Did that...
Did you just imply...
What the...

SHE'S 13 YOU SICK FUCK.

[PCD]

And he's Diamonds Droog. That's all I'm saying.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Did that...
Did you just imply...
What the...

SHE'S 13 YOU SICK FUCK.

And dead, also a robot.

Pedonecrorobophilia.

[Viridis]

And dead, also a robot.

Pedonecrorobophilia.
Have we linked to this (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2383368/sm_finish.mp3), yet? If no, why not?

Also, does anyone have the source for it?

[Loyal]

And dead, also a robot.

Pedonecrorobophilia.If the entire phrase ever comes to apply in this comic, I'm going to assume it's your fault somehow.

[edit] Apparently there's another week-long break in progress. Hmmm...

[Aldurin]

I think there's something significant about the loading screen for "Make her pay". Four of the symbols have the shiny flash (I noticed Vriska's and Tavros' symbols) and one symbol turns red during the flash. Then one of the other ones that doesn't flash constantly switches between blue and red.

[Loyal]

The one that switches is Aradia. She used to have red blood, but the Soulbot has blue.

[Geminex]

The one that switches is Sollux' I think. And the one that turns red is karkat's. No surprises there. I noticed the flashing as well, but I really can't tell how it could be significant. There doesn't seem to be much of a correlation between teams or actions or exiles.

[Loyal]

The five flashing symbols are Sollux, Kanaya, Karkat, Tavros, and Eridan. Karkat's goes from Grey to Red, Aradia switches between red and blue. Trollshirts for reference. (http://mspaintadventures.com/trollshirts.html)

There doesn't seem to be any significance to the flashing, I agree.

[Wigmund]

No significance right now...until Hussie makes it relevant in a later update.

[Aldurin]

No significance right now...until Hussie makes it relevant in a later update.

He's probably thinking "dammit, I should have just finished that loading screen, Now everyone expects some symbolic twist out of the story".

[Geminex]

I'm sorry, we are talking about the same Hussie? The, y'know, the guy who trolls his readers?
If anything, he's thinking "Ha, put a completely misleading clue into the loading screen. Now everyone expects some symbolic twist out of the story. Trolled."
Then he put on some more paint and went to frolic with the wolf.

[Donomni]

He probably will have a meaning in there, just in a way we never ever wanted(Sup Tavros), just to remind us we should never speculate on nice things.

[Aldurin]

He probably will have a meaning in there, just in a way we never ever wanted(Sup Tavros), just to remind us we should never speculate on nice things.

So we can rule out pie?

[Donomni]

Unless it's a trauma or sad pie, yes.

[Loyal]

We have yet to see what game-changing role the SOPOR SLIME PIE will play.

[edit]I just found this. (http://tindeck.com/listen/rwje) New voice for Hearts Boxcars!

[Geminex]

Ok, I've been reconsidering some stuff. Two questions that have popped up.

Dave's, John's and Rose' dream selves all drew stuff on their walls. Said stuff stemmed from their subconsciousness. I get Rose's, more or less, and Dave's sorta. But what's with John's? Clowns and insults, what is this? Not to mention that this stuff is in his real-life bedroom as well. Gah. Does anyone understand how this all fits together?

Also, what are dream-selves anyway? Yes, manifestations of the players on prospit and derse, I understand that much. But really, what rules govern them? What timeframe do they exist in? The wiki really doesn't say anything (cause, really, neither does the story), so I guess I'm just asking for speculation here. But maybe something sounds right.

[Aldurin]

Ok, I've been reconsidering some stuff. Two questions that have popped up.

Dave's, John's and Rose' dream selves all drew stuff on their walls. Said stuff stemmed from their subconsciousness. I get Rose's, more or less, and Dave's sorta. But what's with John's? Clowns and insults, what is this? Not to mention that this stuff is in his real-life bedroom as well. Gah. Does anyone understand how this all fits together?

Also, what are dream-selves anyway? Yes, manifestations of the players on prospit and derse, I understand that much. But really, what rules govern them? What timeframe do they exist in? The wiki really doesn't say anything (cause, really, neither does the story), so I guess I'm just asking for speculation here. But maybe something sounds right.

I wondered about that myself. Although they appear as the optimal physique for each troll (except Terezi, getting double-blinded in her sleep. and aradia who is dead), questions pop up on what determines where they appear (everyone except rose on prospit for human session and possibly by team for troll session).

But to put priorities on what I want to see.
1. Whether or not Jade ever enters the dream session (ahab's crosshairs may have just been a code from eridan, or it could be Jade's ultimate weapon that became an artifact in for eridan later).
2. I want to actually see that robo-bunny in flash-animated combat.
3. Rose and Dave kicking more ass.
4. If the trolls and humans ever meet in person (if they both end up in that place after Skaia, they might be in there at the same time due to the complete disregard for temporal physics in the communications).
5. John alchemizing a weapon the size of a truck.

[PCD]

Jade's already in the dream session. She always has been. That's why there's nothing on her walls; she's had the ability to be awake in her dreams from the start. That's why she knows stuff from the future, remember? ...Actually, more accurate would be to say that her dream session has ended. Because her dream self just got a little bit squished by the moon.

Also, Rose isn't alone on Derse, Dave is there with her. She flew over to his tower and had a dance party.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I figured that the Dream Selves serve as easier ways to get to Derse or Prospit to serve a purpose there. The Dream Selves also seem to be more free than the real selves (dream!Jade grew more arms. They could all fly), so they probably are more apt fighters than the normal selves. In addition, the troll session shows that they can serve as extra lives. If one wants to perform a risky action, but doesn't want to risk themself personally, they bring their dreamself instead.

[Wigmund]

UPDATE!

Oh holy fuck, an army of Aradia Bots!

[Viridis]

Well that's terrifying and rightly so.

[Loyal]

Well, that's one way to use your time powers.

[katiuska]

FAA: by the way if y0u didnt kn0w already
FAA: a future self returning t0 the past fr0m a d00med timeline will always be slated f0r imminent destructi0n herself
FAA: its 0ne 0f the rules


So I guess this confirms what we already suspected about Davesprite?

[Wigmund]

To make this latest update really terrifying, imagine the Pesterlog being read by ALL the Aradias in a mass chant.

[Geminex]

This is incredibly awesome. Mass suicide mission initiated by an army of copies of the same, eternally doomed individual, indifferent to their fate because n0thing matters anym0re, and besides, it's inevitable.
How much more horrifyingly fantastic can you get?

[Aldurin]

How can Aradia die? She's already dead, if her robot breaks than she's just a kernelsprite with telekinesis. And so far kernelsprites have shown the ability to attack while enemies hardly acknowledge their existence.

And I somehow assume that she is going to fuck this up. Big time. Simply because this game sucks in terms of turnout ("Jack Queen" turning Skaia into a wasteland, relentless hordes of enemies that seem to become stronger over time, there's evidence that easy mode is not an option).

[Art of Hilt]

I think the fusion with the robot ended up being more binding than just a regular vessel.
Also the sprite's limitations are pretty ambiguous. Are they even allowed to exist outside their player's planet, or house for that matter?

Also it is insane how real this shit is.
This shit is so real it's walking down the street grabbing its crotch, flipping off a taxi driver, don't even care.

[Geminex]

Aradia, you magnificent BASTARD.

Seriously. This is... wow.

She died, doomed herself utterly, called it inevitable (though she did have a choice, she didn't have to, she chose to acknowledge that the future must come to pass the way she knew it would!) because she knew it'd be the only way to gain victory against their greatest foe, while knowing that even if they defeated him, they'd fail anyway. That's so badass, so chekov's gun, so very chessmaster... I'm honestly lost for words. Screw Terezi, Aradia gets best troll.
I'd only be mildly surprised if it turns out that FAA had engineered her own death in the past as well.

[Wigmund]

The Aradias are doomed because the timeline will destroy anyone who's fated to die and has traveled back in time. That's why Future Dave could prototype with Current Dave's kernelsprite - according to the timeline, he was gonna die real damn soon.

There's a big discussion of this over on the MSPA Forums that tries to explain what the hell is going on with some of this WEIRD TIME SHIT.

Also, DAMMIT FEFERI YOU GAVE THE KINGS THE GAME BREAKER POWER!

[Geminex]

The Aradias are doomed because the timeline will destroy anyone who's fated to die and has traveled back in time. That's why Future Dave could prototype with Current Dave's kernelsprite - according to the timeline, he was gonna die real damn soon.
Yah. I figured that future Dave was pretty much doomed from the get-go, even before it got stated explicitely. Only makes sense for the other Aradias to be doomed as well.

There's a big discussion of this over on the MSPA Forums that tries to explain what the hell is going on with some of this WEIRD TIME SHIT.
Well, it's just a simple matter of the game begetting itself? Stable time loop, and all that.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The Aradia Armada is here to save the day!

[Loyal]

And/or d00m it.

[Art of Hilt]

Oh man, I am chilled to the bones here.
The most important thing I learned in this update is that boondollars actually fucking do something.
I am as shocked as any of us.

[Bard The 5th LW]

This is so suspenseful. Finally, we are approaching the rift.

[Geminex]

:(
But that means Hivebent is ending!

Seriously, there just seems to be so much left undiscovered, here! So much potential!

I can just hope there's a flashback or seven.

Final battle's cool, though. I'd have been really interested in the context of that final dice roll.

Edit:
And am I the only one who got goosbumps when he read that last panel?
Shit.
Is about to get.
REAL.

[Viridis]

I second the goosebumps. That was great.

Now I'm all curious about what that door does. Also the prettiest doom wave I think I've seen.










Also more Doc Scratch is never a bad thing.

[Wigmund]

It's either Doc Scratch or Bec-prototyped Jack Noir spilling across the cosmos.

Dammit Kids, we were gonna see what's beyond the door.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Notcie that Vriska has her vision eight-fold back, meaning that Aradia's beatdown did kill her, and that she had to switch over to her 2nd life.

Considering Tavros's words, dream selves probably lose their abilities (i.e: flight) if the real delf dies.

[Flarecobra]

Looks like that's it for Hivebent.

[Wigmund]

I'm ready for the Kids to return. Jade's been falling for way too damn long.

Also, I'm REALLY hoping that the Trolls get to show up in an epic final battle with Lord English ...or maybe the final boss will be Lord Sovereign (Bec-prototyped Jackspers Noirlecrow with Lord English's Overcoat)... alongside the Kids.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I hope we see a bit more of the trolls after this as well. Especially Karkat and Equius. I really want to see just how they have developed over the course of things.

[Aldurin]

So the kids are responsible for Lord English, who appears when the universe ends. If Snowman dies then the universe ends.

John killed Snowman?

I still wonder when and where the sessions cross over and allow them to fight side-by-side.

And my final curiosity, Ahab's Crosshairs. Given to robobunny as the rifle ultimate weapon (suggesting that she actually enters Sburb at some point) and Eridan has it (possibly as an artifact from the robobunny or maybe a copy that fell through a rift or something. I think it's a pivotal point.

And that reminds me, I want to see a flash animation with RB actually fighting stuff with his badass weapons.

[Loyal]

I hope we see a bit more of the trolls after this as well. Especially Karkat and Equius. I really want to see just how they have developed over the course of things.I'm certain we'll get plenty more Pesterlogs, only now we'll get 'em from all twelve trolls instead of the original four. :3

and Eridan has it (possibly as an artifact from the robobunny or maybe a copy that fell through a rift or something. I think it's a pivotal point.Alternia's session takes place an unspecified number of millions of years before Earth's. On top of that, Ahab's Crosshairs are almost certainly compatible with SBurb/Grub's alchemy system, and so there's no reason why the Crosshairs would necessarily be a unique item.

I still wonder when and where the sessions cross over and allow them to fight side-by-side.Or if. It's possible that the Kids-Troll interaction will remain chat only. I suspect if there's any Weird Time Shit the Trolls could have discovered, which would allow them to physically intervene in the Kids' session, they would have used it already.

If it does happen, the Kids will likely be responsible.

[BitVyper]

So the kids are responsible for Lord English

Something that happens in the kids' session leads to a scratch being created which is responsible for Lord English showing up in the troll session. This is Lord English's hand being forced. It's not something that he wants to happen. At least, that's what is being suggested so far. Makes sense though - anything that fucks over causality is going to be a serious monkey wrench in a plan that relies on causality (which would be all plans, but in this case, fucking over causality may be the only way to mess with it).

I don't think Lord English would engineer the end of the universe. It would be kind of pointless, since the fact that the universe will end at all is really all he needs. Ending it sooner, based on what we know of him, would probably just be cutting his meal down to a smaller portion.

On another subject; I'm guessing The Ultimate Reward is creation - the sort of creation that goes along the lines of "first there was nothing, then there was..." It's now been heavily suggested (by the most reliable source we have on the matter) that if the gods didn't make the game as a test, they're at least using it as such. Right from the very beginning, the game is all about building and creating. Every participant MUST be both a server and a player for the session to succeed, meaning they experience and utilize the power of creation as the server, its direct effects as the player, and sub-creation through the alchemeter (or however you spell it) in order to reach an end. It's like The Last Starfighter for potential gods. And Skaia itself is said to be a place of massive creative power.

It's the only reward I can think of that makes sense. They obviously aren't getting their world back. The only other thing I can imagine is that it's all a huge lie, but that seems really unnecessary.

Edit: Now is as good a time as any to point out that Lord English in Alternia's future from the Midnight Crew intermission didn't have a fancy graphic in his name, and still hasn't had one inserted. Seems like the sort of thing one would have thought of while making the graphic, so I'm kinda thinking that's intentional.

[Aldurin]

Edit: Now is as good a time as any to point out that Lord English in Alternia's future from the Midnight Crew intermission didn't have a fancy graphic in his name, and still hasn't had one inserted. Seems like the sort of thing one would have thought of while making the graphic, so I'm kinda thinking that's intentional.

Lord english with a big fucking omni-billard ball in the "O". (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004153)

[BitVyper]

Lord english with a big fucking omni-billard ball in the "O". (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004153)

Yeah, but that's not the Midnight Crew intermission. See here. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003139)

[Aldurin]

Yeah, but that's not the Midnight Crew intermission. See here. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003139)

I'm not sure about that one, maybe the idea hadn't come yet (this was a couple acts ago).

I never really made the billards connection with the green torsos until I saw an image manip that had the team world diagram but replaced with different billard balls. And Doc Scratch is the coolest cue ball ever.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Guys.

Check update.

Ultimate reward revealed?

edit: the lord english billiard switch almost definitely means nothing. He just didn't feel like adding it.

[Kim]

Oh. Fuckin' sweet.

[Flarecobra]

Soooo... they made our universe or something?

[Art of Hilt]

==>

Oh god Hivebent is so over. ;_;
This makes me sad and I'm not sure why. Maybe because the beginning of Hivebent was where I caught up with the comic?

[Donomni]

...how exactly did they make the universe, again? Just winning, or what?

[Art of Hilt]

Speculation: they did the Ultimate Alchemy at the Forge using the grist they received from defeating the Denizens. The Ultimate Alchemy creates the universe. The Ultimate Reward is to go through the door, which leads them to this new universe for them to live in. If they don't go through the door to get their Reward, then the universe evolves naturally on its own, and eventually develops its own life.

Also I just realized that Hivebent wasn't just a troll arc, that its purpose was not just to introduce the trolls and familiarize us with an 'ideal' SBURB/SGRUB session.
It was a Creation Myth

PS- No that's not me. I made the realization by reading that post. It was second hand realization.
The person who I'm talking to knows exactly what this is about. Which is more than I can say for everyone else I guess.

[BitVyper]

...how exactly did they make the universe, again? Just winning, or what?

Could be the Ultimate Alchemy, like Arc is saying, but I get the feeling that if that's what it is, then that's only the final part of it. This goes beyond just combining or fabricating objects from basic codes. I think it's probably the act of playing the game itself that does it, sort of like the singing of the Ainur - how all the different parts of the song played out on the world. Right from the get-go, various things about the players are imprinted on their Medium (calling it The Medium makes a lot more sense now) - their kernelsprites, their first totems, and whatever aspects of their selves are drawn on to create their personal worlds.

[Geminex]

And I disagree about the whole "they created the world through playing the game" thing. I don't think playing the game actually created the universe. The Creation would have happened through ultimate alchemy, once the denizens were defeated. The trolls would have had an influence on how it turned out, and since the game influenced them pretty massively, it does have an indirect influence. But I think at most, the trolls just left... signatures. Frogs and myths and zodiac signs. Which really makes me regret that I was born under Virgo (no offense, Kanaya), rather than, say, Libra.

[Loyal]

BAH. YOU SHOULD BE WEARING YOUR CRAZY-LESBIAN-CHAINSAWER BADGE WITH PRIDE.

[Aldurin]

And I disagree about the whole "they created the world through playing the game" thing. I don't think playing the game actually created the universe. The Creation would have happened through ultimate alchemy, once the denizens were defeated. The trolls would have had an influence on how it turned out, and since the game influenced them pretty massively, it does have an indirect influence. But I think at most, the trolls just left... signatures. Frogs and myths and zodiac signs. Which really makes me regret that I was born under Virgo (no offense, Kanaya), rather than, say, Libra.

And then you have your brain still hurting over the time progress of the frog ruins in both sessions/worlds, the wizard's orb in the wasteland and other timeline markers that just don't make sense (and especially how Kanaya's house matches Jade's almost exactly).

[Bard The 5th LW]

It might have been the Ultimate Alchemy, but remember Skaia is the 'source of unlimited creative potential'. It is very possible that just being on Skaia allowed them to craft Earth. Or it may have been the Ultimate Alchemy and Skaia.

[Aldurin]

It might have been the Ultimate Alchemy, but remember Skaia is the 'source of unlimited creative potential'. It is very possible that just being on Skaia allowed them to craft Earth. Or it may have been the Ultimate Alchemy and Skaia.

I think they alchemize Skaia into Earth/Alternia, or somekind of weird crossover shit that makes the Exiles appear on wasteland Earth/Alternia.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The exiles appear on the wasteland of the players planet because they go through the portals that appear around Skaia due to the reckoning.

The players get a new, prosperous planet, and the carapaces get their old, ruined planet and have to repair the pieces.

[PCD]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Karkat finally found someone he truly hates <3-

[Bard The 5th LW]

That was adorable in ways I never thought possible.

[Flarecobra]

I don't think hates is the correct word... Toward the end... looks more like envy.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Probably a mix.

Like, 'why does this douchebag get our reward!' Made worse from Karkat's POV because he blames the scratch on John and the others.

[Donomni]

PS- No that's not me. I made the realization by reading that post. It was second hand realization.
The person who I'm talking to knows exactly what this is about. Which is more than I can say for everyone else I guess.

I'm never really sure what I'm talking about half of the time.

That post is one of those times(Since I realized it from you, and you from me, does that mean we have a paradox realization?).

Also, holy shit the latest update explains everything about Terezi trying to kill John.

[katiuska]

I don't think hates is the correct word... Toward the end... looks more like envy.

There might be some envy, but the wistful look is mainly about the hatred, the special hate you feel toward the one you're meant to hate for all time. He mentioned being all bugfucked about blackrom, but now he's finally found a suitable kismesis.

[Loyal]

It is going to be hilarious when Karkat does the troll equivalent of proposing to John.

I bet Karkat in the doomed timeline was absolutely livid at Terezi.

[Wigmund]

I don't think hates is the correct word... Toward the end... looks more like envy.

It's Kismesis...Karkat has found his one true kismesis.

And sorry, but I need to go sob because the John growing up montage (and that music...oh god the music) was the sweetest thing ever.

Also, holy shit the latest update explains everything about Terezi trying to kill John.

It does, either its the Redrom vs Blackrom rivalry OR she wants John out of the way so she's Karkat's only blackrom. Depends on how you view Terezi and Karkat's relationship.

[BitVyper]

Terezi and Karkat seemed more on the redrom side. Neither has ever expressed a particularly intense hate for the other, and Karkat himself clearly never thought of Terezi as a kismesis.

[Wigmund]

I know, but I just can't bring myself to give up on Karkat x Nepeta :(

[Loyal]

It seems to be rather one-sided. The only thing we have regarding what Karkat thinks of Nepeta is the phrase, "autistic girl in a cave".

[Aldurin]

It seems to be rather one-sided. The only thing we have regarding what Karkat thinks of Nepeta is the phrase, "autistic girl in a cave".

Hey, we don't know whether or not he finds that sexy.

[Geminex]

What I'm wondering is what's the significance of the spades on John's shirts over the years? Dramatic foreshadowing, or somethin' more?

[Doc ock rokc]

What I'm wondering is what's the significance of the spades on John's shirts over the years? Dramatic foreshadowing, or somethin' more?

spade symbolizes Troll Hatedom. Or love hatedom...or something. Essentally trolls need love and hate to reproduce. so He hates John so much that he loves him or something.

spades also symbolize Jack Noir...so it could mean multiple things

[Geminex]

Oh, yeah, duh. I knew about Jack Noir, that's what I meant about foreshadowing. Completely forget that that's also Blackrom. Feel like an idiot now.

Yes, I feel like an idiot because I had a minor lapse of memory regarding a ridiculously overconvoluted system of romance which only applies to universe which is more or less fictional, twice removed.
Cause MSPA is awesome.

[Loyal]

Bear in mind that early-childhood John knows nothing of SBurb, Troll romance, Jack Noir, or anything of the sort. It's probably just a shirt, just as his Slimer shirt from the beginning of Homestuck was just a shirt.

[Viridis]

What I'm wondering is what's the significance of the spades on John's shirts over the years? Dramatic foreshadowing, or somethin' more?Hussie summed it up pretty well here. (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1158350215)

There is not a huge amount of significance to this other than 1) he likes magic and card tricks, and all the Harry Anderson stuff in his room reminds of this, 2) it is the symbol favored by Jack Noir, the bad guy he's destined to face in this game, and 3) it is taken by Karkat as an omen that this kid he just discovered was meant to be his kismesis. Hate at first sight.

[Geminex]

Oh, Hussie's formspringing again. Awesome.

[Viridis]

Yes it is. He did a nice long one about the purpose of Hivebent and the how the entirety of Homestuck is the telling of a creation myth. (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1158290610)

[Geminex]

Yah. I sorta read all the new questions when you posted the link to that one new question. No rep for you.

[Wigmund]

You know, I'd love to play a game that's a combo of Spore, the Sims and Earthbound...as long as it doesn't lead to the apocalypse.

I think that'd be fun as hell. You start out as the universe's creator (essentially the role the Trolls play in Homestuck), then after sentient life evolves you move into the role of determining the client's life (essentially the server) and finally you move into controlling the main character/client themselves through the game itself as they overcome challenges and whatnot, and it all ends with your character creating the next universe (new game).

[Geminex]

I agree with the above post, except for the bit where the game doesn't lead to the apocalypse. I mean man, what the fuck?

Edit:
I mean, we all get so pissed when the media goes 'GAEMING CAUSES VIOELNCE', but nobody ever thought to one-up them.

[Wigmund]

Earth is where I keep all my stuff and with my luck, I'd have a session like the Trolls.
I'd win but the universe I just created screws me over and traps me in limbo for what very well may be eternity.

[Overcast]

Unless you can change the fate of four weird aliens who are from the world that you made who either are or are not predetermined to cause that to happen because I am having trouble figuring out out how it does happen if they actually get their new world seeing as Lord English didn't actually see that coming else he might not be so pissed. Unless he was pissed about something else.

Crazy shit. Glad to be back in Homestuck though, I've been waiting to see what a Denizen looks like for a while.

[Aldurin]

I have one last issue with all of these revelations. There appears to be early reference that other people have played sburb, as indicated by the "poorly written guides" Rose found online.

And I expect to see some kind of paradox where the kids create the troll universe.

[Loyal]

Side effects of trolling backward in time: Your target knows more about you than you could possibly know about them.

Seriously, look at John's face. He is fucking giddy. He's been waiting for this forever!

[Kim]

Damn. There go all my goddamn Karkat x John fanfics. ALL OF THEM

[Wigmund]

At least they're still platonic hate-buddies.
From the latest update (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528):
EB: see you soon!
CG: WAIT
CG: WHAT
OH GOD YES THE KIDS AND TROLLS ARE GONNA MEET UP!

[Aldurin]

EB: hey, i don't have a problem with your weird sort of alien hate-love thing!
EB: it is just that, uh...
CG: WHAT
EB: i am not a homosexual.
CG: WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?
EB: it is like, when a boy likes another boy.
EB: or i guess hates, in this case.
CG: HUMANS HAVE A WORD FOR THAT?
EB: yes.
CG: HOW IS THAT EVEN A THING?
EB: shrug. it just is.
CG: HUMAN ROMANCE SURE IS WEIRD.

Best dialogue ever, of all time.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I love this so much.

I hope we don't just roll with the timeskip though. I really want to see some of the in between stuff.

[Kim]

What would a Karkat x John pairing even be called? That's what I want to know. Karkohn? Jarkat? Johrkat? It is a question... for the ages!

[Grimpond]

What would a Karkat x John pairing even be called? That's what I want to know. Karkohn? Jarkat? Johrkat? It is a question... for the ages!

Epic Hate-Fuck :dance:

[Overcast]

I vote Jarkat, it sounds absolutely perfect with a good degree of the sidedness being mostly Karkat, since John doesn't understand the black quadrant all that well and can't be so hateful in return. Also sounds faintly scandalous.

But enough shipping, hearing John again is awesome mostly because of his separation from all the bullshit due to him being a bit of a gentle dork. Keeps him a grinning idiot at the worst of times, and after the angstfest of the trolls it is good to feel some ease.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Memos are the freaking best.

Karkat and Terezi are very volatile matesprits.

[Fifthfiend]

Oh my god terkat

writing terkat fics every day

[Fifthfiend]

Okay I just wrote one right now here it is guys are you ready

"Terezi and Karkat had like, a totally huge fight and were assholes to each other"

"And then... they grabbed each other and started making out like maniacs"

"And then they made out and made out and made out like, forever"

"And it was fucking adorable as shit THE END"

OKAY GUYS WHAT DID YOU THINK I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD HOW ABOUT YOU

[Aldurin]

Okay I just wrote one right now here it is guys are you ready

"Terezi and Karkat had like, a totally huge fight and were assholes to each other"

"And then... they grabbed each other and started making out like maniacs"

"And then they made out and made out and made out like, forever"

"And it was fucking adorable as shit THE END"

OKAY GUYS WHAT DID YOU THINK I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD HOW ABOUT YOU

No no and fucking no.

EB: hey, i don't have a problem with your weird sort of alien hate-love thing!
EB: it is just that, uh...
CG: WHAT
EB: i am not a homosexual.
CG: WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?
EB: it is like, when a boy likes another boy.
EB: or i guess hates, in this case.
CG: HUMANS HAVE A WORD FOR THAT?
EB: yes.
CG: HOW IS THAT EVEN A THING?
EB: shrug. it just is.
CG: HUMAN ROMANCE SURE IS WEIRD.Best dialogue ever, of all time.

Scratch that, this current memo is the best dialogue ever, of all time.

[BitVyper]

R41NBOW RUMPUS P4RTYTOWN is the best chat name. I submit that all forums should be renamed R41NBOW RUMPUS P4RTYTOWN. All in favour, good job. All opposed, shut the fuck up.

[Aldurin]

R41NBOW RUMPUS P4RTYTOWN is the best chat name. I submit that all forums should be renamed R41NBOW RUMPUS P4RTYTOWN. All in favour, good job. All opposed, shut the fuck up.

I'm in.

[Loyal]

How's about no.

Terezi's an even better mod than Karkat.

[Fifthfiend]

No no and fucking no.

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[Locke cole]

OK: Best parts:

Terezi saying past selves won't be banned if they don't make too much of a nuisance of themsleves, and then immediately banning Past Karkat.

Gamzee trying to join the postapocalyptic board from several weeks ago.

Terezi banning a Past Karkat before he can even write anything.

The entire shared keyboard thing. BANNED UNBANNED BANNED UNBANNED BANNED UNBANNED, as well as Terezi and Karkat each accidentally typing a line from the other's account.

[Fifthfiend]

The entire shared keyboard thing. BANNED UNBANNED BANNED UNBANNED BANNED UNBANNED, as well as Terezi and Karkat each accidentally typing a line from the other's account.

Like I just keep picturing

CAG: Do you guys realize you are sharing a key8oard and taking turns to argue with each other?

and it is so adorable I want to explode.