Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Flarecobra]

Man, Vriska could end up blowing a gasket trying to manuplate him...

[Aldurin]

Constipated expressions were never so ineffective . . .

[POS Industries]

I'd say I'm more impressed that she got her eye and arm back, but mainly that just means that she probably died from the severe beating she received from Aradia and this is her dream self.

[Bard The 5th LW]

We saw that bit a little back when they got the reward. Think she could at least get a complete jacket though.

Someone being angry at her for her crimes was presumably what was needed to wake up. Or possibly, Aradia specifically being angry.

[POS Industries]

That, or her ability to metagame even through death came through in a pinch.

[Geminex]

I want to say something, but everything has been said. So lemme just say FUCK YES.
Also, I was wondering. Is troll romance exclusive? Not Pale or Flushed relationships, those're platonic. But Blackrom or Redrom?

[Overcast]

You have two pails buddy. One for the black, one for the red. What use would you have for any more?

[Wigmund]

But apparently Blackrom can fluctuate into Redrom if there's no one there to be the Auspitice (sp?). Then the original Redrom and the fluctuating Black-Redrom get into it and all hell breaks loose.

[Geminex]

Which is why I'm asking. Pale and Flushed are, like I said, platonic relationships, there's no limit to those. But both Redrom and Blackrom are 'passionate'. Wouldn't they be mutually exclusive?

Also, their purpose is reproduction. Don't need more than one partner to reproduce. Also, that'd explain Terezi's trying to kill John.

[Art of Hilt]

But apparently Blackrom can fluctuate into Redrom if there's no one there to be the Auspitice (sp?). Then the original Redrom and the fluctuating Black-Redrom get into it and all hell breaks loose.

Nah, the mediator aren't there for kismesis relationships, they're there for potential kismesis relationships which could lead to black infidelity. It's so that trolls don't enter into a black romance, and then start hating someone else so much that they cheat on the original partner. The mediator prevents the hate between the second partner from growing strong enough to be considered kismesis.

So yeah the purpose of the clubs seem to indicate that, while it is not a necessity, trolls have a preference for exclusive flush/black relationships.

Unless you mean, like, exclusive to each other? Like, would redrom and blackrom be in competition with one another? Then no, the two are separate relationships despite the passion involved for both. From what I understand, the trolls' ideal is to fill each quadrant with a different partner.

[katiuska]

Troll reproduction doesn't follow the same "two individuals make one offspring" form that we see on Earth. Both matesprit and kismesis relationships are involved in creating new trolls. There's a lot of fluctuation, but because both kinds of relationships are unique and necessary,ostensibly they're not in competition with one another.

Personally, I'm more confused at why trolls even have seperate sexes, since there's apparently no meaningful difference between same-sex and opposite-sex relations.

[Wigmund]

Wild Ass Theory: Trolls have sexes from when they reproduced in a what we call normal method. Then as their society advanced and started invading other planets, to make the process more efficient on a production level, they turned to the Mother Grubs and lusci to produce and raise their young. Now it's just combining optimal genetics and letting the factory get to work while the contributors go off and join the conquest.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Actually, I was under the impression that Wigmund's theory describes for a while.

The Lusii seem to be different from most animals, they and the mother grubs might be genetically engineered or something for the troll's purposes.

[BitVyper]

And I disagree about the whole "they created the world through playing the game" thing.

All this diversity and flexibility in the game's unfolding presumably has a bearing on what type of universe will be created. These ideas will be explored in detail over the remainder of the story. There's a lot more to come.

...

Actions of the kids had influence over the way the troll adventure unfolded, and therefore the way their own universe was created

So yeah. (http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1158290610)

The Ultimate Synthesis is probably just final act that puts all that together.

Personally, I'm more confused at why trolls even have seperate sexes, since there's apparently no meaningful difference between same-sex and opposite-sex relations.

It seems like the suggestion is that the Mother Grub puts all the genetic material from many pairs together (incestuous slurry). If it's all getting mixed together, then even if DNA from males and females is necessary, it wouldn't really matter whether any specific pair were one gender or another. The Mother Grubs seem to exist in some kind of mutualistic relationship with the trolls (not sure what they get out of it, but maybe they use parts of the genetic material for their own reproduction, which seems possible since it was suggested that Kanaya's reproduced but never suggested that another partner was involved). They probably haven't always been around, so if sex was important eons ago, then yeah, like Wigmund suggested, it may just be a holdover.

Troll culture seems to view the Mother Grubs with a lot of reverence, not as tools. I think a troll belief was even suggested at one point that they hatch each troll with a purpose. That in mind, I think they've probably been around for longer than the Trolls have been invading other planets. They seem a bit too ingrained in what little we've seen of the troll cultural mindset in a way that doesn't really fit with how I think they would be viewed if they were just something that the trolls had encountered on another planet.

I don't think that'll ever get fleshed out though, so we'll never know probably.

[Grimpond]

If this reunion isn't animated to a touching song imma choke and/or slap a bitch.

[Wigmund]

I'm expecting Dream!John's copy of Colonel Sassacre's to come barreling out of the sky and off another one of his relatives.

[Loyal]

But we've already had the music in [S] Reunite with your loving wife and daughter. What ever shall we use for this one?

I'm expecting Dream!John's copy of Colonel Sassacre's to come barreling out of the sky and off another one of his relatives. No. No! How could you say such a thing!?

[Kim]

The rabbit's going to kill them.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah I'm expecting a severe mood whiplash, although I don't want it to happen.

[Aldurin]

The rabbit's going to kill them.

I'm game as long as I get to see a flash file of robo-bunny violence.

[katiuska]

I'm reminded of a fanart I saw way back when Act 4 ended.

EDIT: Ah yes:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/Eyes5/daaad.png

[Art of Hilt]

...
this update
my heart
is broken
vriiiiskaaaaaaaaaa

[Bard The 5th LW]

Could've been worse, but dammit Vriska.

I hope waking him up was the extent of it, and that he isn't under her control.

[POS Industries]

...
this update
my heart
is broken
vriiiiskaaaaaaaaaa
Could've been worse, but dammit Vriska.
YEAH!!!!!!!!

[Loyal]

...what did she DO exactly? Have dream-selves always disappeared on waking?

[katiuska]

Yes (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003642).

[Loyal]

I see.

Well, shit. I hope dad noticed the ring. And the robunny.

[Aldurin]

...what did she DO exactly? Have dream-selves always disappeared on waking?

Yes (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003642).

Oh crap for a moment there I thought Vriska somehow tried too hard and deleted John's dreamself.

And the poor bastard can't catch a break.

EDIT: But then why was John's sleeping dreamself subject to imminent crushed-by-moon earlier? Do the dreamselves perpetually maintain a physical presence until after the first waking up? And will John fall to his death the next time his dream self wakes up?

[BitVyper]

And will John fall to his death the next time his dream self wakes up?

Dream selves can fly.

[Geminex]

Oh, Vris-kaaaa.
You so manipulative.
Also, unlikable.

[mauve]

Aaaaand I'm back to hating Vriska. For a few updates there my hatred had died down to disdain and then finally mild indifference, but now it's all back again.


Vriska is probably the reason why the kids accidentally create the scratch in the trolls' game. Like, she tries to manipul8 them in the future just to be a bitch and inadvertently brings about her own session's downfall in the past.


Quick, somebody scratch her eye out again.

[katiuska]

I've kind of settled on "disdain." She's not very bright, and it's clear she has a compulsion to respond to everything with mind-powers, even when it makes no tactical sense for her to do so, because she can and because she's unable to deal with things in any other way. But she's still kind of a dumb bitch.

[Aldurin]

If Rose's mom knows anything, it's that booze is always an option.

[Loyal]

But she's still kind of a huge bitch BLUH BLUHAhem.

[Donomni]

REUNION

That would totally fit, too.

Gonna nth the agreement in regards to Vriska, because... well, Vriska.

[Loyal]

It took me awhile to identify what was going on here, (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004550) but it looks like something in LOLAR is gonna go down hard.

[POS Industries]

It took me awhile to identify what was going on here, (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004550) but it looks like something in LOLAR is gonna go down hard.
Actually, that appears to be a vision of Rose destroying her first gate.

[Kim]

I just realized, the "God's" manipulating Rose and telling her what to do could very well be the trolls...

EDIT: Or at least one of them...

[Overcast]

I dunno I always figured that it served as the Derse version of the prophetic clouds. It just seems a bit closer to SBURB/SGRUB than it does either individual universe.

[Art of Hilt]

Well, except that the Gods can communicate/manipulate through dreams, which the Trolls are incapable of doing (at least without waking them up).

[Loyal]

No, the Gods of the Furthest Ring (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002204) are not the trolls. They seem to be Derse's answer to Prospit's dream-future-clouds. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003888)

Feferi's GL'BGOLYB is their Emissary, (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004341) so it's definately not a one-universe thing. She's also a Derse-ian (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004405) after all.

[Grimpond]

I just couldnt help but go "Awwww" at the pages today.

[Wigmund]

No, the Gods of the Furthest Ring (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002204) are not the trolls. They seem to be Derse's answer to Prospit's dream-future-clouds. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003888)

Guess this could explain part of Lil Cal's origins.

[Aldurin]

Guess this could explain part of Lil Cal's origins.

Lil Cal is freaky, http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2848/cal.gif

I just wish I was the one to make that image.

[Fifthfiend]

Dear Vriska, go fuck yourself, also, kill yourself, also, shut the fuck up forever and kill yourself.

EDIT: I have to give Andrew Hussie credit for successfully so fantastically well in creating a character I hate in all the ways that a reader should hate a character that readers are meant to hate. The insincerity, the petty little lies about shit that nobody would ever even need to lie about, the fucking eights, just, augh, she is a goddamn masterpiece of terribleness.

EDIT: But seriously if she doesn't die a(nother) horrifying death by the end of this thing I will find him and I will kick him in the balls until the hate goes away.

[PCD]

Yeah, I don't care how much of the fanbase has 'forgiven' her, and I don't care that if you get mad at her then she's a successful troll. Vriska's a huuuuuuuuge jerk, as opposed to other meme-fitting terms. Though, John is supremely adorable, so it evens out a smidge at least.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I don't know why, I just like Vriska.

Like, she's terrible, but so are most of the other trolls. She just happens to be the worst. But I can appreciate that. Something about her I find entertaining.

[Art of Hilt]

The last panel.

I

:D

John is so derp it's fantastic

I have reached full enlightenment of Dave's love for him

[Loyal]

Guess this could explain part of Lil Cal's origins.Nah. That's just another of the WIERD TIME SHIT stable time loops.

-Babby Dave arrives on earth with Lil Cal.
-Dave is spooked by Lil Cal while growing up, causing the latter to haunt the former's nightmares as a very alive Dream-Cal.
-Rose throws Dream-Cal out the window, BRO's Rocket Board catches him, and brings him to the Ectobiology Lab.
-Ectobiology happens, Babby Dave is warped to an earthbound meteor in the past, with Lil Cal in tow.
-See step one.

...I wonder what the CAPTCHA code for the Rocket Board is.

[Art of Hilt]

PSSHICKNASTY

[Fifthfiend]

The last panel.

I

:D

John is so derp it's fantastic

I have reached full enlightenment of Dave's love for him

John is like Wen the Eternally Surprised, but actually like that, and not just a smug asshole.

I'm reminded of a fanart I saw way back when Act 4 ended.

EDIT: Ah yes:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/Eyes5/daaad.png

Oh god.

Yeah, that goes in the personal canon.

[Aldurin]

Dammit, Jade. This is no time to sleep!!

Oh, and I like Vriska just because she just seems to have that badassness about her. And she made Terezi blind which makes Terezi like 5 times cooler and killed Aradia making a violently awesome robo-ghost.

She's a helper (insert image of Fighter).

[Bard The 5th LW]

Wow.

That was just a bit anti-climactic, in a great way.

[PCD]

And here I thought Jade's narcolepsy would be less of a problem, with her Dream Self gone... this does not bode well at all.

[Wigmund]

She's just gonna be stuck in a black void with no towers and no clouds and no Prospitians every single time she goes to sleep from now on.

[Art of Hilt]

There's something immensely satisfying about being in the official forums and opening a new thread with a bunch of shitty Shakespeare troll edits.
Watch as I stretch out my arms in satisfaction.

OH WHOOPS DID I JUST REVEAL MY FORUM ALTER EGO
WOAH LOOK AT ALL THIS FUCK THAT NO ONE SHOULD BE GIVING

[Aldurin]

There's something immensely satisfying about being in the official forums and opening a new thread with a bunch of shitty Shakespeare troll edits.
Watch as I stretch out my arms in satisfaction.

OH WHOOPS DID I JUST REVEAL MY FORUM ALTER EGO
WOAH LOOK AT ALL THIS FUCK THAT NO ONE SHOULD BE GIVING

I don't give a shit if people know, heck I even have the same avatar and username there.

[Art of Hilt]

Yeah, the only reason my username and avatar are different on different forums is because I don't pay attention to the stuff I do! O:
Also because my newer usernames are ten thousand times better than my older usernames.
Art of Hilt mo like Art of Shilt.
No.
Wait.

Oh, but the completely self-fabricated mystery, the intrigue!

[Doc ock rokc]

Yeah, the only reason my username and avatar are different on different forums is because I don't pay attention to the stuff I do! O:
Also because my newer usernames are ten thousand times better than my older usernames.
Art of Hilt mo like Art of Shilt.
No.
Wait.

Oh, but the completely self-fabricated mystery, the intrigue!

you can get the mods to change it if you like.

[Art of Hilt]

Eh. I'm mostly indifferent.
But anyway, I'm completely curious about Jade's dreams right now.
I'm seconding guesses of her falling into a dark void but I also kind of hope that's not the case because that would just be too depressing.
I mean...
Dream Jade wanted to do so much.
She wanted to have so much fun with Dream John in that wide golden world, just...
;_;



I'm also curious about squiddles.
They must tie into the story somehow.
A green squiddle falling just as John's message pops up it's like come on I gotta know how it's relevant

UPDATE.

WV's robes are not brown because of age.
They're brown because they're soaked with the lives of those he was responsible for.
... ;_; oh god why is this so sad

[Flarecobra]

Well, now we know how he got the ring, at least.

[Wigmund]

I don't give a shit if people know, heck I even have the same avatar and username there.

Same here, but I spend most of my time in the Fanart threads doodling stuff like this:
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af38/lwyman/Random%20crap/You8itch.jpg

[Geminex]

EDIT: But seriously if she doesn't die a(nother) horrifying death by the end of this thing I will find him and I will kick him in the balls until the hate goes away.
I'm growing more and more certain that Hussie is gradually building up her horribleness, for the sole purpose of having her do something utterly fantastic and selfless later (probably Tavros-related), and massively trolling the Vriska-hating readers.
Which is all the readers.
All of them.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I don't hate Vriska. I'm not manipulated into thinking that by her. Honest.

[Aldurin]

Same here, but I spend most of my time in the Fanart threads doodling stuff like this:
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af38/lwyman/Random%20crap/You8itch.jpg

I spend all of my time in the image manipulation thread making horrors like this:

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/daveshot.gif

Don't freak out, Baby Dave has been a staple meme in that thread since the beginning.

[Wigmund]

I'm growing more and more certain that Hussie is gradually building up her horribleness, for the sole purpose of having her do something utterly fantastic and selfless later (probably Tavros-related), and massively trolling the Vriska-hating readers.
Which is all the readers.
All of them.

I came to pity Vriska more than hate her when I realized the horrible things she does are basically the only way she knows how to interact with others. Kinda sucks to have a flesh-eating Spidermom whose only life lesson is FEED ME OR GET EATEN.

[POS Industries]

I'm growing more and more certain that Hussie is gradually building up her horribleness
Yeah, she's definitely getting worse as the story progresses, and this last appearance takes the cake of terrible shit she's done to anyone. I mean, look:

Crippled Tavros
Murdered Aradia
Blinded Terezi
Woke up John at an inopportune time in order to help him get what he needed to save Jade's life

....wait.

[Loyal]

The thing about that scene, though, is if we'd just seen her waking John up to tell him to help Jade, we'd have been "Oh, I guess she's getting better."

Hussie, however, went out of his way to make sure we knew exactly what she was interrupting, so everyone's like "Oh that bitch!"

[Aldurin]

Yeah, she's definitely getting worse as the story progresses, and this last appearance takes the cake of terrible shit she's done to anyone. I mean, look:

Crippled Tavros
Murdered Aradia
Blinded Terezi
Woke up John at an inopportune time in order to help him get what he needed to save Jade's life

....wait.

Tavros can live with the wheelchair thing until is robo-legs get in the mail.

It was technically Sollux that killed Aradia, and manipulation powers can't be easily proven in court.

Terezi got what she deserved for blowing off Vriska's eight-fold vision and left arm.

And fuck John, he was having too easy of a ride anyway.

[Art of Hilt]

THE RETURN

OF

CRUMPLEHAT

ALTHOUGH HE HAS DISHONORED HIS ANCESTORS WITH HIS FRIVOLOUS ACCESSORY

HIS LEGACY LIVES ON

Also, Karkat's dreamself woke up... AFTER the game ended?
Man alive I seriously need to know what this is all afuckingbout ANDREW HUSSIE YOU BEST EXPLAIN THIS CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT DAMN IT.

[Flarecobra]

...Is it just me, or am I detecting the sprouts of friendship between John and Vriska?

Or it might just be Vriska wanting to troll the other trolls.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I don't know, I'm really liking the dynamic they have.

Can't wait for Gamzee to troll one of the kids though. He and Vriska were seen trying to talk to Jade a long time ago, but she ignored them.

[POS Industries]

...She's trying to beat Doc Scratch. Vriska knows that everything up to the point of John's first/last conversation with Karkat is completely unavoidable. Jade will enter the medium, Bec will be prototyped, Jack will tear the universe a new one spacehole, and Lord English will be summoned. All of that has to happen, so she's doing her part to make sure it does.

Everything after that, however, is an unknown quantity, and that's where she thinks she has a chance. Scratch manipulated her, won against her at every turn, took her arm and eye, and essentially rubbed it in her face. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004102) She's gotten close to beating him in the past through cheating, but it's hardly like he wasn't cheating through the use of his own nigh infinite abilities as well. Using the cue ball was just evening the playing field.

Vriska may have figured out how to win this, but it ain't gonna be pretty.

[Loyal]

Can't wait for Gamzee to troll one of the kids though. I'd like to know what he did that caused the kids to block him.

[Aldurin]

Bec will be prototyped

Say what?

[POS Industries]

Say what?
That's kind of the whole key to Jack's plan. He had DD create Bec through paradox cloning in order to send him to Earth's past, get prototyped, and thereby gain nigh omnipotence via its addition to his transformation while wearing the Black Queen's ring.

Which is the key to Doc Scratch's plan, because it allows Jack to tear through the dimensional boundaries into the trolls' universe and kill Snowman, whose death destroys all existence, which creates Lord English via the ~ATH program Sollux made that Karkat ran in a fit of stupid, stupid rage.

It's all very simple.

[Loyal]

Where did you read that?

...and why would he want to go to the troll's universe and kill their black queen?

[POS Industries]

Where did you read that?
Well, I started here. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/)

...and why would he want to go to the troll's universe and kill their black queen?
That has not yet become apparent. I'm guessing the idea of a Black Queen he hasn't killed yet comes to his attention and he can't resist the urge to rectify the problem.

[Flarecobra]

Oh those damn imps!

[Overcast]

From the looks of things the eventual creation of the scratch is a design of the kids and trolls to generate the scratch that pulls Lord English into the Alternia universe. Also according to the amount of the chat we could read, and counting on Doc Scratch never lying because he doesn't need to, "articular insantiation is not any of my business" which I assumed meant he had no fucking clue this was going to happen. Combine this with the relative mood of LE when he stopped by Alternia and the choice of diction in the comic, the benefits of the scratch only lying in the world where it occurred, and consequences ending up in Alternia, the idea that the scratch is the last hope they all have and finally the possibility that it ends up bringing the trolls to the Earth universe I figure that this scratch isn't something the Doc planned, nor anything Jack planned. Something that was manipul8ted into occurring when Jack gets that Bec/Scratch level of power.

This may involve the black queen of SGRUB, but hell it may not, if anything the white ring of protypical power might have something to do with it.

Also love the imps looking a bit off as they are marched out the locale, not even putting up a fight anymore.

[Loyal]

The imps are just the most adorable things ever.

[Aldurin]

That's kind of the whole key to Jack's plan. He had DD create Bec through paradox cloning in order to send him to Earth's past, get prototyped, and thereby gain nigh omnipotence via its addition to his transformation while wearing the Black Queen's ring.

Which is the key to Doc Scratch's plan, because it allows Jack to tear through the dimensional boundaries into the trolls' universe and kill Snowman, whose death destroys all existence, which creates Lord English via the ~ATH program Sollux made that Karkat ran in a fit of stupid, stupid rage.

It's all very simple.

DD is the only one badass enough to successfully kill Dave in cold blood. Although I have problems with how Jade is gonna convince (or force) Bec into the kernelsprite. Maybe she'll throw in one of those Squiddly dolls. That'd be pretty hilarious with imps randomly getting pulled together.

[Bard The 5th LW]

This may have been posted here before, but I will just put this here.

Jade: Wow, thanks for saving my life Bec!
Bec: woof
Jade: Hmmm, it sure would be great if you could talk. That way I could thank you.
Bec: woof
Jade: OH I KNOW! Hop into the Kernel sprite. Then you can talk and be smart and everything! Go on, do it boy!

[Geminex]

That's kind of the whole key to Jack's plan. He had DD create Bec through paradox cloning in order to send him to Earth's past, get prototyped, and thereby gain nigh omnipotence via its addition to his transformation while wearing the Black Queen's ring.

Which is the key to Doc Scratch's plan, because it allows Jack to tear through the dimensional boundaries into the trolls' universe and kill Snowman, whose death destroys all existence, which creates Lord English via the ~ATH program Sollux made that Karkat ran in a fit of stupid, stupid rage.

It's all very simple.
Huh.
First, the 'Prototpying Bec' bit...
I'd actually considered that myself...
But from what we've learned about guardians so far, they're omnipotent. From what we've heard about protoyping so far, you can prototype it only if its dead/doomed.
The only way I could think of to Doom Bec (not unmake him temporally, that'd be easy, but to make it so that he will suffer harm in the future), would be to get a Bec from a doomed timeline (in which case he'd be doomed by default), and prototype with him in the current timeline. But how d'you get Bec to travel from an alternate timeline to yours? For that matter, how'd Jack do it?
I think there's certainly a reason why Jack had Bec created, but to prototype with him? Not one of them.

And speaking of Bec and alternate timelines and Bec, still confuses me why the MEOW code wasn't important in said doomed timeline. As Alternate-Timeline-Rose said, it was just meaningless scribbles. I can understand that, without John creating paradox clones of them, none of them would ever have been paradox clones in the first place, but how would that Impact the origin of Bec?

Anyway, back to your theories. Even assuming that Jack was gonna do the whole 'prototype Bec to become all-powerful' bit, how would Doc Scratch come into it? I mean, except for tying Snowman's death to the end of the universe, how did he actually do anything?
For that matter, why do you reason that Jack would kill Snowman? Just a desire to kill all the Black Queens (all of them), no matter where and when? I can't think of a good reason.

And hell, it's not necessary for all that to happen. The entire point of Lord English is that he's omnipotent and can time travel. The universe will end eventually, no matter what anyone does, and then he can appear where and whenever he likes to wreak havoc. What's the point of ending the universe a little 'earlier'?

It's interesting, but... I dunno. I think whatever's gonna happen will be a bit more rational.

Also, I never said that Vriska was pure and unadulterated evil, or that the stuff she does gets more horrible exponentially. She's just seeming worse and worse. Or at least she was at the point where I had made that post. Because back then it was less 'Oh wow, Vriska's actually helping'. And more 'Oh wow, Vriska's manipulating John for no real reason at all and she's stopping his reunion with dad at the last minute and now she's telling him she wants to help him god what a bitch'. So for the time, I think the remark was well-qualified.
And why yes, I do have too much time on my hands. Thank you for asking.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vriska did help John.

It wouldn't be unlikely to say that in a failed timeline, Vriska didn't wake up him up on time, he missed the server disk on time, and that Jade died due to a meteor.

Because as we have (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003763) seen (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003541), there are many (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004491) a failed timeline.

[Geminex]

I'm not saying it wasn't good that she woke him up. Just saying that she seemed like a pretty horrible person when she woke him up and we saw Dad getting all sad at not getting to reunite with his son/half-brother.

[Krylo]

But how would she even know that was happening?

That's like saying someone's a horrible person for knocking on your door right when the trio of swedish super models are about to hop in bed with you. Sure it kinda sucks you missed out on that dream, but it's not like they had any idea.

[Geminex]

Well, at the time it didn't seem like she had any kinde of beneficial motive. From what we knew about Vriska, it was that she was not a very nice person at all. It was reasonable to assume that her actions would again be motivated by selfish reasons (and hell, we still don't know that they aren't). So even if she wasn't interrupting him intentionally, she shouldn't have been interrupting him in the first place. Or that's how it seemed.

To use your example, the person knocking on your door would be a marketer trying to sell you vacuum cleaners. Sure, he didn't know he was interrupting the best wet dream of your life, but if he had just left you alone in the first place, he wouldn't have caused any harm.

...

OK WE ARE OFFICIALLY OVERANALYZING THIS
THATS ENOUGH
LETS GET BACK TO OVERANALYZING SOMETHING ELSE
Like, I dunno, Pos' theories. Am I the only one who finds them sorta unsupported? Or did I miss something?

[katiuska]

And speaking of Bec and alternate timelines and Bec, still confuses me why the MEOW code wasn't important in said doomed timeline. As Alternate-Timeline-Rose said, it was just meaningless scribbles. I can understand that, without John creating paradox clones of them, none of them would ever have been paradox clones in the first place, but how would that Impact the origin of Bec?

In Alternate Future Dave's timeline, John was killed and Jade never made it into the Medium. The MEOW code was therefore never relevant, because even if they could have created Bec, they'd never have access to him or his powers.

[Geminex]

But Bec existed in that timeline!

I mean yes, John died and Jade as well, probably, but Bec existed, didn't he? He was the planet's, and Jade's, guardian.

Unlesess you're saying that his being Jade's guardian depends on weird time shit that's gonna be caused by John and/or Jade later?

[Fifthfiend]

Come to think of it, how did John die / the doomed timeline even happen given that John needs to be there to create everyone in the first place?

Or is that just WEIRD TIME SHIT and don't think too hard about it?

[Geminex]

Come to think of it, how did John die / the doomed timeline even happen given that John needs to exist for everyone to get created in the first place?
Ha. I'm pretty sure that, since John never survived to create paradox clones, they were never paradox clones to begin with. I think that when John created paradox clones, that was the point when they had been paradox clones all along. Before he did that, they were normal.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I like to think that since John died, the ectobiology duties just got passed off to Rose or Dave. The teleporter to the lab was on Rose's planet after all, so Rose had access to it. Really, we don't know and probably never will.

[katiuska]

But Bec existed in that timeline!

I mean yes, John died and Jade as well, probably, but Bec existed, didn't he? He was the planet's, and Jade's, guardian.

Unlesess you're saying that his being Jade's guardian depends on weird time shit that's gonna be caused by John and/or Jade later?

Well, I'm saying his being important depended on Jade entering the Medium, because otherwise he'd be stuck on Earth, out of the reach of the agents and not having any direct influence on the game. I have no idea how in the hell everyone was created in John's absence, but then again, all he did was press a few buttons, so I guess anyone could do that.

[POS Industries]

Come to think of it, how did John die / the doomed timeline even happen given that John needs to be there to create everyone in the first place?

Or is that just WEIRD TIME SHIT and don't think too hard about it?
The alternate timeline could actually be considered as still being part of the stable time loop that created them, as it was necessary for alternate future Dave and Rose to exist in order to save John so that he could later create them all in the first place.

Ha. I'm pretty sure that, since John never survived to create paradox clones, they were never paradox clones to begin with. I think that when John created paradox clones, that was the point when they had been paradox clones all along. Before he did that, they were normal.
And you call my theories unsupported.... Look, let me run the whole thing down for you:

Lord English will come into existence. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003992) This is unavoidable, and the only way for it to happen is if the universe ends.
If Snowman dies, the universe ends. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003168)
The reason for this is because Doc Scratch imbued her with that ability in order to further his own goal. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004211)
Doc Scratch's goal is to summon Lord English. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004153)
A rift is torn open from the kids' session to the trolls' session. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004502)
Jack Noir and the Black Queen are kismeses. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004295) Their hatred is a hatred undying, unstoppably drawing them together in an eternal, inescapable death grip across untold vastness of distances.
The Draconian Dignitary created Bec. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003828) He did so under orders from Jack Noir, and sent Bec back in time to the location where Jade would eventually come to live. This was done for a reason.
The wearer of a Ring of Orbs takes on the properties of everything the players prototype. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004207) That is the reason Jack had Bec created.
According to Karkat, today is the day Jade fucks everything up. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002759)
The plastic tips at the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aglet) Their true purpose is sinister!

Is Jack's plan to kill Snowman? Oh lord no. It's unlikely he even knows she exists at this point in the story. Is it Doc Scratch's plan for Jack to kill Snowman? Obviously.

[Geminex]

Look, I read the comic as well. Hell, I reread it twice, I could probably have found those pages quicker than you. I'm aware of all those facts.

I'm just saying it doesn't really fit together. Why would Doc Scratch want to end the universe via Snowman? It's a certainty (pretty much THE certainty) that the universe will end eventually. Lord English is omnipotent and time-travels. It doesn't matter when he gets summoned because all he needs to do is travel to the beginning of time in order to have existed all along. Why the whole elaborate set-up?

Not to mention that I don't think that 'being Kismesis' is gonna be enough to get Noir to kill Snowman. I mean, weird time shit screwing up the whole 'cause-effect' logic that we're so used to? Sure. A pretty weird virus (if I understand ATH correctly, that shouldn't have done anything at all) being executed and dooming the guardians of 11 trolls? Ok, I can dig it.

But I don't think that Kismesis, however powerful, will either be enough of a motivation for Jack to cross universes, nor that it'll be enough of a 'fateful force' to simply cause him to... what're you proposing anyway? That he coincidentally create a scratch and cross universes, only to happen upon Snowman there? whatever it is, I don't think mere kismesis would be enough to justify it.

And finally, like I said. How's Bec gonna get prototyped? He'd have to be doomed, and how do you doom an omnipotent being?

The theory's interesting, and I'm sure that what actually happens won't turn out to be all that dissimilar, but while you've recognized a lot of the fixed pieces, the connections just don't seem to make sense.

I think we need to know more about the kids' plan and the actual nature of the scratch, stuff will be a lot clearer.

[Loyal]

Jack Noir and the Black Queen are kismeses. Their hatred is a hatred undying, unstoppably drawing them together in an eternal, inescapable death grip across untold vastness of distances.This is where I get skeptical. I get that they hate-love each other, but I can think of absolutely no reason why that'd be sufficient prompting to go dimension-hopping in an attempt to kill every iteration of Black Queen he may or may not be able to get his hands on. Kid-session Jack already killed the Black Queen of his own universe - why would he care about another?

For that matter, do the people of the Medium, Prospit, and Derse know about the nature of the game? Does each Jack Noir know that he is merely one of many Jacks? If someone told Kid-session Jack that there was another universe, with another Jack Noir and another Black Queen, why would he care?

[POS Industries]

I'm just saying it doesn't really fit together. Why would Doc Scratch want to end the universe via Snowman? It's a certainty (pretty much THE certainty) that the universe will end eventually. Lord English is omnipotent and time-travels. It doesn't matter when he gets summoned because all he needs to do is travel to the beginning of time in order to have existed all along. Why the whole elaborate set-up?
There's a difference between "the end of the universe" and "the end of the universe as we know it." When scientists talk about the end of the universe, they just mean the eventual extinction of all life, the extinguishing of all kinetic energy, and all the matter floating about in space just sorta falling apart and fading to blackness. The thing is, the universe continues to exist, it's just that everything's completely dead in it. It's just pitch black space.

For Lord English to come into existence, everything else has to literally cease to exist. All reality must be torn asunder and unmade. No more universe. At all. Ever.

The way this happens is already predetermined, and Doc Scratch knows it. So he's just putting everything into place for the end times, because it's his inescapable destiny to do so.

But I don't think that Kismesis, however powerful, will either be enough of a motivation for Jack to cross universes, nor that it'll be enough of a 'fateful force' to simply cause him to... what're you proposing anyway? That he coincidentally create a scratch and cross universes, only to happen upon Snowman there? whatever it is, I don't think mere kismesis would be enough to justify it.
I don't know for sure what motivates him to go dimension hopping. He might be trying to find more rings in other sessions in order to gain more powers. He might be lured there by Doc Scratch. The reason for it hasn't been revealed yet.

The kismessitude's involvement is why he kills her. Not why he finds her.

And finally, like I said. How's Bec gonna get prototyped? He'd have to be doomed, and how do you doom an omnipotent being?
By prototyping it with a kernelsprite? Apparently it's Jade's fault that it happens, it may be something as simple as her having the bright idea to create a kernelsprite with god powers. It may be something else entirely.

The theory's interesting, and I'm sure that what actually happens won't turn out to be all that dissimilar, but while you've recognized a lot of the fixed pieces, the connections just don't seem to make sense.

I think we need to know more about the kids' plan and the actual nature of the scratch, stuff will be a lot clearer.
Actually, I heard the theory from Fencer, who got it from the MSPA forums when DD was creating Bec. After further examination of the evidence, that seemed to be the most likely scenario.

There are missing links still, but that hardly disproves anything. It's like looking at human evolutionary fossil record, and saying that because a couple hominid species that complete the chain haven't been found yet the whole thing is unsupported.

[Geminex]

There's a difference between "the end of the universe" and "the end of the universe as we know it." When scientists talk about the end of the universe, they just mean the eventual extinction of all life, the extinguishing of all kinetic energy, and all the matter floating about in space just sorta falling apart and fading to blackness. The thing is, the universe continues to exist, it's just that everything's completely dead in it. It's just pitch black space.

For Lord English to come into existence, everything else has to literally cease to exist. All reality must be torn asunder and unmade. No more universe. At all. Ever.

The way this happens is already predetermined, and Doc Scratch knows it. So he's just putting everything into place for the end times, because it's his inescapable destiny to do so.

Well, if you want to get really astrophysical about it, the end of the universe will take place in one of two ways.
If there's enough matter in the universe for the universe to be constantly expanding, that's pretty much what will happen. The universe will constantly expand, entropy will increase further and further, until it dies a heat death, matter and energy get distributed uniformly thoughout space until they're infinitely 'dilute'.
The alternative is that the universe is contracting, in which case we're gonna have a big crunch in a few tens of billions of years, followed, quite probably, by another big bang.
But anyway.

I wasn't taking a scientific standpoint when I said that the universe ending was a certainty. I was simply stating what we knew from the comic. The universe will end for a given value of end. Sollux seems to be pretty sure of that, and since ATH has (Universe) as a possible ending entity, and ATH seems to be something of an all-powerful programming language (it's what actually summons lord english, it seems, so if it assumes that the universe is gonna die eventually, the universe will die eventually). That's why I spoke of the certainty, and why it was technically unnecessary for Scratch to tie Snowman to the end of the universe (come to think of it, he probably used ATH for that as well).

Import Snowman (S)
~ATH (S) {
}Execute ([Operation to destroy universe, probably symbolized by the white cue ball]);
THIS.DIE() ;

Anyway, whatever value of 'death' we're using, the one that ATH assumes [~ATH (U)] and the one that summons English [again, ~ATH (U)] are the same. There's no need to speed it up!
Mind you, unless you're saying that the whole Snowman's-Death-Ends-Universe bit is the only possible reason the universe will end...
Which would be valid, I guess.

It'd just raise the question of, if Scratch can tie the death of the universe to an entity, why on earth would he choose Snowman? And once he did, why would he wait for Noir to kill her? She doesn't seem omnipotent. In the intermission, when she appeared in the middle of the gunfight, people immediately stopped shooting, for fear of killing her. I'm pretty sure she's mortal, if powerful. If you're omnipotent, why not just kill her yourself?
Just makes no sense.

And you're right. Jade's 'involvement' may be to prototype Bec. It may be something else. As it is, all we have to go on is the assumption that Jack Noir must have had a reason to have Bec created, which is nicely countered by the fact that, from what we know, it's impossible to prototype Bec.

There are missing links still, but that hardly disproves anything. It's like looking at human evolutionary fossil record, and saying that because a couple hominid species that complete the chain haven't been found yet the whole thing is unsupported.
With all due respect but...
what?
That's just... that's just not correct at all. Hell, it's downright insulting.

You have a hypothesis. You're supporting this hypothesis with evidence.
I am pointing out that your evidence is flawed, because you are making unreasonable assumptions, linking evidence in ways that don't make sense.

You're right, there's evidence yet to be uncovered. But there's no reason to believe that it's more likely to support your theory than refute it, because hey, your theory isn't that well-supported to begin with.

...

Incidentally, when's the next game of Nuklear Wright planned?

[Fifthfiend]

I think the major problem with POS's theory is fuck POS, also everybody, everywhere hates POS. Also I hate POS.

RE-FUTED.

EDIT: On a marginally more serious note, do the kids not know at this point that typing changes the shit they gotta fight? Have the trolls not mentioned it? Have they not noticed the jester-hatted, cat-whiskered ogres?

I'm not saying it won't happen, cause Jade does some dumb shit, but that'd be some pretty A-level dumb shit.

[Geminex]

Fifth has a point. On both counts, obviously, but especially on the second. Especially since Jade no longer has a dream-self to do A-level dumb shit with.

Mind you, John does now. And while he has no Dream-bot, Dream John is the one guy who I'd trust to prototype the enemies with an omnipotent being because he saw it in a movie or something. I don't even know.

Still, I stand by my 'Bec can't be prototyped' theory.

[POS Industries]

I'm pretty sure she's mortal, if powerful. If you're omnipotent, why not just kill her yourself?
Just makes no sense.
Well, has either he or Bec been shown to be able to kill anyone? Scratch carries a gun, but he hasn't been shown to use it. He's been able to initiate events that hurt people (the cue ball exploding in Vriska's face) and manipulate others into killing (Vriska's murder of Aradia). Bec has never acted as anything other than a loyal protector. Add to that their role as "guardians" may preclude them from being able to directly take life.

On top of that, everyone in the trolls' universe knows that killing Snowman would be the end of all of their lives, as well, so everyone's very careful not to do it. Hell, Spades Slick has the means to accomplish it in an instant, but he would never risk doing it. It may very well be the only people who would be ill-informed enough to kill her would have to be from another universe entirely, which is where the kids' Jack comes in.

And you're right. Jade's 'involvement' may be to prototype Bec. It may be something else. As it is, all we have to go on is the assumption that Jack Noir must have had a reason to have Bec created, which is nicely countered by the fact that, from what we know, it's impossible to prototype Bec.
We don't know that, though. That's an assumption based on very little beyond the fact that Bec is chock full of powers and seemingly immortal. In fact, we don't really even know if Bec is the doomed thing the kernelsprite is to be prototyped with. It takes two items, remember? And I don't recall the harlequin or eldritch princess dolls being doomed.

It's worth noting that a pre-entry prototype is required in order for the player to enter the medium. Being the GOOD DOG, BEST FRIEND that he is, Bec might sacrifice himself to the sprite to get Jade into the medium and save her life.

With all due respect but...
what?
That's just... that's just not correct at all. Hell, it's downright insulting.

You have a hypothesis. You're supporting this hypothesis with evidence.
I am pointing out that your evidence is flawed, because you are making unreasonable assumptions, linking evidence in ways that don't make sense.

You're right, there's evidence yet to be uncovered. But there's no reason to believe that it's more likely to support your theory than refute it, because hey, your theory isn't that well-supported to begin with.
The evidence makes perfect sense if you're able to connect the dots.

Incidentally, when's the next game of Nuklear Wright planned?
Hell if I know, I ain't running another one of these things.

I think the major problem with POS's theory is fuck POS, also everybody, everywhere hates POS. Also I hate POS.

RE-FUTED.
<3

EDIT: On a marginally more serious note, do the kids not know at this point that typing changes the shit they gotta fight? Have the trolls not mentioned it? Have they not noticed the jester-hatted, cat-whiskered ogres?

I'm not saying it won't happen, cause Jade does some dumb shit, but that'd be some pretty A-level dumb shit.
I'm sure the other kids know, but Jade's spent the vast majority of time that Dave's been spending fighting imps and shit (who is the only player she could really see at any point aside from dream visions), and the time she's spent while asleep has involved flying around Prospit, kicking the shit out of Not!Clubs Deuce, trying to wake John up, and then having a moon fall on her and dying.

So yeah, she might not really be up to speed.

[Kim]

Jade hasn't really encountered any of these things, so she might not realize it. She also doesn't what everyone prototyped.

[Geminex]

Well, has either he or Bec been shown to be able to kill anyone? Scratch carries a gun, but he hasn't been shown to use it. He's been able to initiate events that hurt people (the cue ball exploding in Vriska's face) and manipulate others into killing (Vriska's murder of Aradia). Bec has never acted as anything other than a loyal protector. Add to that their role as "guardians" may preclude them from being able to directly take life.
Ok, this is valid. But
a) we don't know that they can't hurt people or take lives. Again, you're assuming. Maybe reasonable, but still assuming.
b) he has other loyalists. Quite possibly an individual is among them who could be made to kill Snowman
c) I'm pretty sure that the only reason people know that Snowman's death would end the universe is that he and snowman want them to
d) there's no reason why he couldn't have picked a different individual to tie the end of the universe to if he wanted it to end

No, some of the stuff they prototyped with wasn't doomed. But that was cause, y'know, it was inanimate. Everything else either qualified as a corpse, or, in Alternate Dave's case, was doomed. I don't think Dave could break the routine. The only possiblity would be for Bec to prototype himself (or, for an alternate-timeline Bec to enter their timeline, but that'd be stupid), and I don't see that happening. I mean, he's an omnipotent dog. He's not a complete idiot.

And like I said above, even if Jack does the whole 'become omnipotent through Bec' thing, it doesn't explain why he was necessary to bring about the end of the troll universe.
You're asking me to imagine one hell of a lot of dots.

[POS Industries]

I mean, he's an omnipotent dog. He's not a complete idiot.
Yes, I'm willing to accept that he's at least smarter than the average dog.

And like I said above, even if Jack does the whole 'become omnipotent through Bec' thing, it doesn't explain why he was necessary to bring about the end of the troll universe.
You're asking me to imagine one hell of a lot of dots.
Of course it doesn't explain why. It explains how. Any answers to "why" that I can give are completely speculative.

[Geminex]

The 'Why' is fairly integral, though. You're proposing that a lot of things could happen, and how they could happen. But unless you can somehow make reasonable suggestion of 'why' they should happen, rather than a completely different turn of events, the theory seems sorta weak.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, or that it's a bad theory. Just that, the way you've set things up, there don't seem to be very many good 'why's. No good way to justify all that happening. And, as such, I don't think it will.

...

Ok, let's just talk about something else. Like... I dunno...
Why did Kanaya's land have a really fucked up second name. Like, why hers of all things?

[Aldurin]

Let's just wait and see what serious shit happens regarding Jade/Bec/Jack/Snowman/Doc Scratch. Whatever it is we are probably in the ballpark of it.

[Art of Hilt]

Why did Kanaya's land have a really fucked up second name. Like, why hers of all things?

Kanaya had THE FORGE, which was the volcano she lived near (buried under the desert sand and popping out like some sort of Mario pipe, which is what I thought it was for the longest time).
Jade also has a volcano, which I assume is also THE FORGE.
I bet their lands are going to share the second name, and Jade's entry will be when we find out.

Also I need to say that this update was the best.
John being DEAD SERIOUS, the Imps looking dejected as they march out the room in a line, just...
The best.

[BitVyper]

Which is the key to Doc Scratch's plan, because it allows Jack to tear through the dimensional boundaries into the trolls' universe and kill Snowman, whose death destroys all existence, which creates Lord English via the ~ATH program Sollux made that Karkat ran in a fit of stupid, stupid rage.

Lord English wasn't created by the ~ATH program (Edit: Wait, you're talking about the CURSE ~ATH program that Karkat ran? Why would you think that created Lord English?) - he was summoned by it. His powers, and the circumstances of his summoning mean that as long as the universe is eventually going to end, as all things do, he doesn't especially need to do anything to make it happen sooner or later. The fact that he's going to be there eventually means he's there right now.

Aradia tells us that the scratch forced his hand, and that he was enraged. Assuming that Doc Scratch is, as we have been told, his agent, I don't think this is his plan. Furthermore, what little we saw of Aradia and Scratch's chatlog, suggests that Doc Scratch doesn't know why English is there, or at least considers where his boss goes to be his own business.

Bec might get prototyped, but I don't think that's anyone's plan but Bec's, if he does.

[Locke cole]

Jade hasn't really encountered any of these things, so she might not realize it. She also doesn't what everyone prototyped.
Jade at least knows what Dave's prototyped.

[BitVyper]

You guys make it sound like Jade could intentionally prototype Bec. Bec, the Omnipoterrier. If Bec gets prototyped, it won't be because Jade decided to prototype him. Either Bec would have to want it, or some really severe circumstances would have to be involved.

[Flarecobra]

...Heh. Perhaps Vriska should stop while she's ahead some..

[Wigmund]

She just got flustered because John left his pail lying out there in the open for all to see.

How disgusting.

[Loyal]

John, I think it's time you had "The Talk."

[Art of Hilt]

So all those times when Andrew had them drop buckets on the kids on ajar doors...

O:

!

!!!

Oh man I need to get a magnet straight up to my hard drive or some shit the legislarcerators are NOT going to be okay with this!

[Donomni]

John is a perv.

[Loyal]

Vriska is a pervert. Notice the second viewport opened in the past so she can keep looking at his pail!

[Fifthfiend]

It's just so... capacious

[BitVyper]

Now now, it's not the size of the pail that counts.

Edit: Not that my pail is small or anything.

Edit: I mean, not that it would matter if it was.

Edit: But it's not.

Edit: Like, I'm just saying.

[PCD]

I'm coming to suspect that John very well may be the most adorable thing ever.

[Geminex]

Looks like John had to...
>8 ]
kick the bucket.
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAH

[Flarecobra]

That'd be true, if it was a bucket-weilding Imp.

But that one had a broom.

So perhaps "That imp got swept away." might be a better fit as a one-liner?

[Aldurin]

These kids need to stop being so obsessed with this stuff, the guise of "culturally sensitive" won't last forever. Perverts.

[Locke cole]

An apt description (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/1848)

And yes, that's a Homestuck imageboard, or 'booru, or whatever you want to call it.

[Geminex]

That'd be true, if it was a bucket-weilding Imp.

But that one had a broom.

So perhaps "That imp got swept away." might be a better fit as a one-liner?

Shush, it's a one-liner. It doesn't have to make sense.

And yeah, John is being pretty adorable. JohnXNepeta after all?

[Locke cole]

Question:

Why are Nepeta and Feferi on anyone's Trollslum? What could they have done to tick any of the kids off?

[Geminex]

Case in point. I can totally imagine Jade and Nepeta role-playing with each other. I have a feeling that Feferi can have a very nasty side, but Nepeta? The man is right.

[Donomni]

Because they're using the Trollian program, obviously. It automatically flags them for Pesterchum's Trollslum.

[Loyal]

An apt description (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/1848)

And yes, that's a Homestuck imageboard, or 'booru, or whatever you want to call it.Oh my goodness this is the best thing ever.

[Fifthfiend]

Shush, it's a one-liner. It doesn't have to make sense.

And yeah, John is being pretty adorable. JohnXNepeta after all?

MSPA shipping is rapidly approaching some sort of critical shipping-mass.

Any day now the comic is going just explode into a massive ridiculous mess of makeouts and cleaning supplies.

[Donomni]

Oh my goodness this is the best thing ever.

Yes. (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/1796?search=animated)

[Aldurin]

Yes. (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/1796?search=animated)

That is awesomeawesomeawesome.

[Geminex]

OH YES IT ISSS (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/347?search=Terezi_Pyrope)

[BitVyper]

So, I have a problem: I can no longer concieve relationships in normal human terms. The movie Unbreakable? That's one man's search for his kismesis. House and Cuddy? Kismesis flipped to Matesprit. Billy, Trina, and Kimberly from the original Power Rangers? Auspictice.

For the love of god, HELP ME!

[BitVyper]

So, I have a problem: I can no longer concieve relationships in normal human terms. The movie Unbreakable? That's one man's search for his kismesis. House and Cuddy? Kismesis flipped to Matesprit. Billy, Trina, and Kimberly from the original Power Rangers? Auspictice.

HELP ME!

[BitVyper]

Um... why did the post I just made get inserted way back before my last post

Edit: And this one too? What the devil is going on?

[POS Industries]

Um... why did the post I just made get inserted way back before my last post

Edit: And this one too? What the devil is going on?
Clearly we're communicating with the forums' past in order to attempt to warn them about the horrible future to come. In four hours.

[BitVyper]

Clearly we're communicating with the forums' past in order to attempt to warn them about the horrible future to come. In four hours.

Hey guys, in four hours you'll still live in a world where Sarah Palin can make a bid for president of America.

[POS Industries]

Hey guys, in four hours you'll still live in a world where Sarah Palin can make a bid for president of America.
Kind of unavoidable, though. Stable time loop and all. Though if any of you wanted to create an alternate timeline where you spend the rest of your life in prison for assassinating a former Alaska governor or something, you go right ahead. We literally cannot stop you.

[Locke cole]

"Are you ready to wreak some havoc, John?"

Things seem just wrong when Rose is creeping me out more than Vriska or Aradia.

[Bard The 5th LW]

OK yeah, I didn't (and still don't quite) believe the theories that Rose is under control of the gods from the Furthest Ring or the Thorns, but there is definitely something up.

[Viridis]

Something is definitely very much up. Do we know anything else about her statements that the session was never supposed to make another universe?

[BitVyper]

I think it's more that it wasn't going to than it wasn't supposed to. They're doomed to fail. My position remains that they are misinterpretting the "failure."

As for Rose, I don't think she's under anyone's control, she just believes what the gods whisper to her due to having the benefit of her alternate self's partial fusion. As an aside; I think the only reason they told her to burn her meow book was because Dave's copy was the one that mattered, which would be why they didn't care about it in the other timeline, where Dave hadn't made a copy.

[Aldurin]

Are they gonna break more shit? Are we gonna see Dave Bro and Rabbit team up against BecJack?

I wanna see shit happen!!

[Donomni]

TT: That's why you're our leader, John.
EB: huh?
TT: Optimism through stalwart skepticism is a defect not everyone is lucky enough to be cursed with.
EB: that's stupid.
EB: i'm not your leader, i am your FRIEND, there is a BIG difference!
TT: Statements like that are also why you're our leader.
EB: pff.
EB: laaaaaaaame.

I gotta say, that's funny.

[Wigmund]

Oh no, Rose raided Hot Topic

[Fifthfiend]

Rose's stock was at all-time highs, and now they are...

...below all-time highs

But we'll see what happens in the next couple of hundred f5s.

[PCD]

Come onnnnnn, Rose, you're better than that =<

[Aldurin]

Rose . . . is walking? She has all of these badass magic abilities that include flight and she is walking. Lazy bitch.

[Fifthfiend]

Lazy bitch.

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/dry.gif

[Kim]

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/dry.gif

.

[Grimpond]

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/dry.gif

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/dry.gif

[Aldurin]

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/dry.gif

:wtf:

[Grimpond]

:wtf:

Fuck you!

Also: Dayum Rose!

[Fifthfiend]

Rose's stock was at all-time highs, and now they are...

...below all-time highs

But we'll see what happens in the next couple of hundred f5s.

f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5and there it is.

WELCOME TO THE BULL MARKET, MOTHERFUCKERS

[Fifthfiend]

Prices started skyrocketing right at familiar/wandbearer Viceroy Bubbles Von Salamancer.

[PCD]

That turtle is extremely distressed.

[Donomni]

The Viceroy is looking rather dashing, I say.

Moreso than perhaps, CRUMPLEHAT?!

[Loyal]

Roooooooose what are you doing??

[Geminex]

She's being WACKY obviously.
And wreaking havoc.

...

Yyyyeah, she's really going through with her 'wreck the game' attitude, isn't she? I don't think she's evil as such, but she knows something that we don't.

[Aldurin]

She already enslaved the salamanders, she has no need for turtles (no matter how cute they are).

[Fifthfiend]

Yyyyeah, she's really going through with her 'wreck the game' attitude, isn't she? I don't think she's evil as such, but she knows something that we don't.

She doesn't need to know too much more than we do already; it's not like a huge secret that the game itself is pretty fuckin' evil. What with "murder an entire planet" as a system requirement and all.

[Geminex]

Y'think that's it? But it creates an entire universe as well, when done right.
Doesn't that cancel out, a bit? I wouldn't have thought that the game's inherently evil. Or if it is, we don't know it yet.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Lamest possible twist: Turns out everything was just a game all along. The kids were having the times of their lives and the trolls don't even exist, because they're part of the game. I know I'm not the first one to throw that theory around, and knowing Hussie it's very unlikely, so I have no idea why I'm even saying this.

[Fifthfiend]

Y'think that's it? But it creates an entire universe as well, when done right.
Doesn't that cancel out, a bit? I wouldn't have thought that the game's inherently evil. Or if it is, we don't know it yet.

I'm going to go ahead and say that whatever activity you're engaged in, if it involves brutally and casually murdering an entire planet full of people, it's evil, and pretty much no amount of balance is gonna make that not-evil.

I realize that I'm being completely unreasonable in refusing to agree to a compromise that considers other perspectives, vis a vis murdering the world.

EDIT: And man that's even before you take into account that the game creates within itself a bunch of sentient beings who exist for literally no purpose other than to murder each other, not even for any really major reason, just sort of as like, background noise.

[Geminex]

That'd be horrible. Seriously, that ending? After that buildup? That'd be to 8-bit theatre what 8-bit is to normal stories.

I think what Rose knows pertains to the origin of the game. And the consequences of losing.

Edit:
I realize that I'm being completely unreasonable in refusing to agree to a compromise that considers other perspectives, vis a vis murdering the world.
Okay, usually you seem pretty cool, but now you're just being a dick. Seriously.

Besides, if you want that argument, fine. The new universe would also be filled with life. And, y'know, the old one too, after a few centuries. Lotta death, yeah. But hell, this is a universe we're talking about. Massive spans of time. Those people would have died anyway, eventually. It's not nice, certainly. And on a human scale of measurement, horrible and unforgivable. But on a universal scale, the end result will be, greater variety, greater joy, greater life. Two universes for the price of some death. That so bad?

Edit2: Mind you, not saying that it's good. But I don't think 'good' and 'bad' apply to the game.

[Fifthfiend]

Okay, usually you seem pretty cool, but now you're just being a dick. Seriously.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/reactions/original.gif

Nah man, you're a pretty long way from seriously.

Trust me.

[POS Industries]

Okay, usually you seem pretty cool, but now you're just being a dick. Seriously.
No, he's not. He's actually being quite polite and reasonable. You're taking an argument over a webcomic too seriously and getting personally offended that someone doesn't automatically agree with you. Knock it off.

Anyway, my money's on the Thorns of Oglogoth driving her mad. Hearing the whispers of nameless old gods and wielding power drawn from them is pretty much never healthy under any circumstances.

[Wigmund]

Or maybe she's pissed because the Trolls pestering her now is Eridan and his incessant whining.

Also, the structure she blew up looks like a temple - maybe it's the home of LOLAR's denizen.

[Fifthfiend]

SO IT'S CLEAR my remark earlier that Gems objected to was not meant as a personal dig against Gems or his viewpoint or really anything to do with this conversation at all and I'm sorry that it came across that way.

It was meant more as a dig at like... I don't even know, someone entirely other than Gems in some entirely different conversation somewhere that I don't even remember, or maybe just the general tendency of many people to get on other people's nuts for being ~unreasonable~ or ~not willing to compromise~ about fairly strongly delineated moral issues. I was probably thinking of Muslims building mosques or something.

ANYWAY the point is I thought it was clear it wasn't directed at Gems since I don't know what I'd be directing it at him for since he's like, never actually said anything like that, but I probably could have made it clearer.

[Geminex]

I am going to assume sincerity on your part. Because the alternative would mean impotent rage on my part, and I wanna get rid of the 'rage part at least.

...

Or we could just be Kismesis and hate each other really, REALLY hard.
Interested?

Edit:
So yeah, maybe the 'dick' part was inappropriate on my part. Sorry.

[POS Industries]

Y'all bring a tear to my eye. Maybe there's hope for this crazy world after all!

You know, until a bunch of meteors come out of freakin' nowhere and pound all life on Earth to dust, with the only survivors being a handful of individuals who were all created by the very program responsible for ending the world, which does this grisly task for reasons completely superfluous to the ultimate goal of the program itself.

But, like, until then I think we have a shot.

[Overcast]

I like to think that the understanding that she and all the other kids being unable to win the game in the conventional fashion is leading her on to just trying to find the best possible thing you can salvage from this massive waste. Because going along the game the same way the trolls did will only result in disappointment, but if you wreck everything, break all the rules, and turn this little session on its head you might get some unexpected outcome worth enjoying.

[Loyal]

Incidentally:

Y'think that's it? But it creates an entire universe as well, when done right.
Doesn't that cancel out, a bit? I wouldn't have thought that the game's inherently evil. Or if it is, we don't know it yet. The seed planet is going to die no matter what you do. The new universe is created only if you then go on to "win" the game. An outcome which, judging by what Karkat has said, has some pretty horrible odds.

And considering the high probability of each new universe resulting in at least one new game of SBurb each, with another dead planet and a slight chance of another cyclical universe... yeah. It's an evil fucking game.

[Fifthfiend]

OH so I remembered what I meant to ask about, which is way-ass back a million updates ago, the game said something about like, lots and lots of SBurb sessions going on worldwide.

What's up with all of those? Do none of those other sessions that were mentioned actually exist, are there gangs of other kids attempting to create universes or w/ev, what is the deal there?

[Kim]

Most likely all those other sessions are just doomed to failure.

[Viridis]

OH so I remembered what I meant to ask about, which is way-ass back a million updates ago, the game said something about like, lots and lots of SBurb sessions going on worldwide.

What's up with all of those? Do none of those other sessions that were mentioned actually exist, are there gangs of other kids attempting to create universes or w/ev, what is the deal there?I'm thinking most of those never got into the game. It seemed to be implied that they failed to get into the Medium in time to escape the meteors, with those GameFAQs entries Rose was reading just cutting off. It's possible that only there may only be one session per world, but that's just a guess.

[Wigmund]

Or maybe one of those other sessions actually succeeded and the Kids' session was supposed to be one of the many many many failures.
But WEIRD PLOT/TIME/SPACE/PUMPKIN SHIT ensued.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Nah I'm under tha assumption that they never got into the medium, or at least they failed to form a chain.

Like, their session failed sooner and worse than the kids.

[BitVyper]

We've seen what happens with a two session world. They were the same session all along.

That said, it's clear now that the game is flexible enough to adapt to almost any scenario. Hussie has responded to some questions on the matter in his formspring.

My guess is that a single world gets a single Skaia, and any players that manage to get going in that world will be incorporated into the same session probably. But then again, it's a hyper-flexible game, so who knows what happens in the really bizarre ones.

As for the moral value of offing a planet to make a new universe... well, how many sperm get sacrificed making a baby? Hussie suggested that the game is how universes reproduce, and relative to a whole universe, we're a lot less significant than sperm are to us. Yeah, okay, sapience and blah blah blah, but we're still not much more than cells inside an unimaginably massive creature that remains incomprehensible to us. Hell, how many things do we kill to do anything? I mean, if continuing the process of Creation that keeps reality going isn't an excuse then craving a Big Mac sure as hell isn't.

I don't think Skaia really has a moral value in itself. If the Outer gods or someone else actually constructed the process... well yeah, they'd be at fault, but they'd be at fault for every death ever anyway, and good luck pinning your moral system on them.

Anyway, the point is that this thing is operating so far above our paygrade that applying moral judgement to it from a human perspective is... well, there's no reason you shouldn't do it, but it's a very limited perspective to view the whole thing from.

Besides; worlds end, whether you like it or not. And if you're living in a universe with all this mythology, then there's probably a being responsible for keeping the process going.

Presumably, if you didn't have Sburb operating, the prototypical universe would have just gotten old and died, and nothing else would have ever been. Actually, I'm guessing that in this cosmology, all Creation is an endless time loop with no clear beginning or end, so no Sburb could mean no universes at all. That's just speculation, of course, but it'd fit with what we've seen, even though it'll probably never be addressed.

[Fifthfiend]

I gotta be honest, my general view is that when I start hearing how something is too far beyond our human morality for us to judge whether or not it's really evil... nah, it's evil. It kills six billion people! It's evil.

Oh they kill six billion people while they're creating some new universe. Okay then, the way they're creating universes is evil. Find a non-evil way to create universes.

worlds end, whether you like it or not.

I'm saying, that doesn't make it okay to make them die via asteroid apocalypse any more than inevitable mortality makes it cool to go around shooting people.

...And like POS points out above, it's not even like the xenocide serves any real kind of purpose. It's just some shit that happens because the thing apparently just can't be bothered not firing its asteroid armageddon somewhere that it won't kill all life on Earth.

EDIT: In any case, the major point I feel is that the game is at least evil enough that it's not like, a difficult leap of imagination to figure out why Rose would go "so hey, fuck this evil-ass game" and start looking for ways to kill it, that requires us to hypothesize that she herself has turned evil(!!) or crazy or whatever. She's looking at a thing that was designed to kill her entire world for lulz, that is pretty much all the justification she could need even before you get to the part where the whole thing is destined to fail anyway.

[Aldurin]

Evil or not, someone needs to make a working copy of this game and mass-produce it. I'd buy it, if not for kicks then because it's the only sensible way to escape the meteors caused by all of the other sessions that will start.

[Marc v4.0]

well, how many sperm get sacrificed making a baby?

Sperm are no more individual life forms then a screw driver is a fully-manufactured computer.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Rose definitely ain't evil, but she isn't quite being moral. She's terrorizing the Cohorts, who are fairly innocent from what we have seen, and may have even done something to Nanna.

[Loyal]

Consorts.

Also, I'm glad the trolls aren't totally out of focus.

[Art of Hilt]

there are not enough Kanaya updates
there are never enough Kanaya updates

[Locke cole]

Is Rose uprooting that island?

[Loyal]

Horseshitometer. Good job, Karkat.

Poor Kanaya is so conflicted.

[Aldurin]

Kanaya's shame in watching "human porn" is hilarious.

[Viridis]

Ahahaha, Kanaya entering that name is so perfect.

Also, the comic is so narratively dense now. Someone saw the pail stuff over my shoulder and I really had no easy explanation for that moment. So much necessary preceding information to make that moment make sense.

GA: Suspicions Pitching Once Again Toward The Conclusion That You Are Just Very Stupid

[Wigmund]

You let someone see you looking at that depravity Viridis?! I'm shocked and disgusted.

[Art of Hilt]

I wake up, and there are an influx of Kanaya updates.
Yes this is perfect. So perfect.

[Bard The 5th LW]

This was just great.

I'll never look at a bucket the same way again.

[Geminex]

DO3S HUM4N D3PR4V1TY KNOW NO BOUNDS? (http://www.google.com/products?q=bucket&aq=f)

YOU C4N... YOU C4N BUY BUCK3TS!
P3OPL3 S3LL TH3M TO YOU! JUST L1K3 TH4T!
1 TH1NK 1'M GO1NG TO B3 S1CK.

[Locke cole]

Who cares about buckets?

Now, if they were pails, that would be depraved.

[Overcast]

I do believe she broke.

[Viridis]

GA: What
GA: The Hell
GA: Did You Just Do
Bwahaha. But yeah, Rose is totally out to break this game and she's starting with Kanaya's mind. :dance:

[Art of Hilt]

oh god so many Kanaya updates.
This is so awesome I can't even say.
I am so spoiled. Like a child who gets a pony upon threat of self-suffocation.

[Geminex]

Y'know how you can tell that homestuck is about to get more awesome? You find yourself thinkng 'this possibly can't get even more awesome!'.
Because fuck yeah. Just... Proud to be Virgo.
And someone needs to make a logo with that. Like, virgo symbol, chainsaw, slogan. I'd totally buy that t-shirt.

And I hope, I really hope that we're about to get some answers.

[Locke cole]

Well, there isn't a chainsaw or the slogan, but you can buy Kanaya's shirt...

[Grimpond]

Kanayas face is the best

[Donomni]

I won't be surprised if Kanaya goes totally redrom for Rose.

[Overcast]

I figure everyone is redrom for Rose and John.

[Loyal]

No, everyone is Redrom for Rose, Blackrom for John.

edit: Guys, look at the newspost. Specifically, this. (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=ryanquest&p=000001)

[Aldurin]

Rose breaking the meter and gate simultaneously is the best part.

[BitVyper]

My friend, who does not read MSPA, made this. (http://meglyman.deviantart.com/#/d2xtblr) I think you all know what the first thing I thought of was.

[POS Industries]

Bluh bluh huge bitches love John.

[BitVyper]

Oh man, the shipometre is going haywire here.

[Overcast]

I swear I said something about this before. Meh, I lose it now.

[Locke cole]

Hey, Windwaker is a surprisingly apropos name for John.

Heir of Breath and all.

[Loyal]

Yes. We know. Andrew probably wrote that line specifically with that in mind.

[Wigmund]

Bluh bluh huge bitches love John.

He needs to stop mocking her, it seems to turn her on.

[Geminex]

Okay, y'know, it's obvious to assume that something as awesome as Homestuck would have some really awesome fanart.

...

So why did I only just start looking? I have no idea.
There's a few nice videos:
DOUBLE RAINBOW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piaQUbYZOD4&feature=related)
Still alive redone pretty nicely (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBp8IkxiKsA) (though still incomplete)

But there's far, far more fantastic art. The HS fanart website has already been posted, but there's also a Homestuck fan page on deviantart, with some pretty good pics.
Check the 'featured' gallery (http://homestuck-fans.deviantart.com/gallery/?set=23876561&offset=0), it's worth it. If only for this. (http://homestuck-fans.deviantart.com/gallery/?set=23876561&offset=24#/d2l2gn5)

Plus, the forums have a few art threads. Most of the good stuff that gets posted there is also elsewhere, but there's 2 image manipulation threads.
They are full of memes and quite a few tasteless jokes and but they are horrible magnificent terrible GLORIOUS ABOMINABLE sexy (http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?32222-IMAGE-MANIPULATION-2-This-One-Goes-Out-to-All-the-Ladies&p=4131591&viewfull=1#post4131591).
And don't let this dissuade you, but I actually got the location of those from a post evilearl made. I can only assume that something terrible will happen as a result of us viewing those threads, because otherwise he would have actually done something constructive.
And we all know that's impossible.

So yeah, check that out. It's pretty cool. All of it.

[Locke cole]

That's your horoscope for today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW_RMaoqYM0).

[Geminex]

'This video contains content by sony music entertainment. It's not available in your country'

THANKS SONY.
YOU'RE REALLY MAKING ME WANT TO BUY YOUR STUFF.

Heh. What happens in it?

[Loyal]

It's a video of Wierd Al Yankovich's song, with the Homestuck Trolls.

[Overcast]

Scratch's Van (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8s6UQ9uZd8&feature=related)
Liam Neeson as Aradia's narrator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twJbtN79obo&feature=related)
Illicit Lovers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZREZ9GiHXw&feature=related)

[POS Industries]

Scratch's Van (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8s6UQ9uZd8&feature=related)
Liam Neeson as Aradia's narrator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twJbtN79obo&feature=related)
Illicit Lovers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZREZ9GiHXw&feature=related)
When Ivan's involved, it always gets worse.

[Art of Hilt]

Okay, I think I figured it out.
The whole Gates thing, I think I got it worked out.
Speculation ahead:

First Gate: Down to your planet.
Planet Gate: Go to your Server's Second Gate.
Then, since you have access to your Server's First Gate, you go through that.
Then you go through your Server's Planet's Gate, to their server's second gate, then first gate, then planet, etc etc. I think you're expected to go around in circles until you get enough grist to build up to your Third Gate.
Then the Third Gate will lead you to your Planet again, but a different part of it...? With access to your Server's Fourth Gate?

So then it'd work like this:
Odd Number Gates: Down to your planet.
Planet Gates: Your Server's Even Number Gates.
Even Number Gates: Your Client's Planet Gates.
???
This would make sense since the Seventh, final, odd-numbered gate would lead you to your planet's Denizen.
So then I guess the players are expected to act in this way:

Beginning, they gain enough grist to build up to First Gate, and then they go through it.
Then when they're on their planet, they should gain enough grist to build up to the Second Gate, in anticipation of their Client's arrival.
Once all players do this, they go around in circles, solving puzzles and gaining grist to build up to their Third Gate.

Then the cycle repeats itself, with them going around in circles every two gates so they could build up to the third.

1 -> 2
Pause, circle around, build up to 3.
3 -> 4
Pause, circle around, build up to 5.
5 -> 6
Pause, circle around, build up to 7.
Boss battle.

I think this fits actually. It has synchronization, it can fit into any number of planets, and it would lead the player to their own denizen rather than someone else's.


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/610/serverclientgategraph.png


The red and blue lines repeat themselves in between the green ones, of course. They're basically loops; every two gates are their own circles, made to ensure grinding.

What do you think?

[BitVyper]

Green Sun? But how is Rose going to fight Ligier (http://sicmentale.deviantart.com/art/Reigning-Green-Sun-Ligier-89287782)?

[Art of Hilt]

Kanaya's trying so hard not to get moiral zone'd again.

OH SHIT THAT'S A GIANT CAPTCHALOGUE CARD

[Locke cole]

Someone on another forum realized this:

Green Sun, eh? (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004557)

[Art of Hilt]

Also I'm pretty sure Rose is going to do something so reckless it'll result in her death and she'll have to be replaced with her Dream Self.
Calling it now.

[Aldurin]

Also I'm pretty sure Rose is going to do something so reckless it'll result in her death and she'll have to be replaced with her Dream Self.
Calling it now.

As long as she gets her awesome shit back I'll be okay with it.

[BitVyper]

Damn, John actually flustered her to the point of blushing. That's... pretty impressive.

[Token]

Oh jegus. If a Vriska/John blackrom ends up happening, I think Karkat's gonna choke a bitch.

[Krylo]

That is totally redrom developing. Ain't nothin' black about it.

[BitVyper]

That is totally redrom developing. Ain't nothin' black about it.

I concur. Even if there were any reason to doubt, I kinda figure blackrom relationships don't involve dressing each other.

[Loyal]

I bet what's gonna happen is that Karkat finds out about Vriska's developing X-rom for John (as we understand it, it can switch between red and black, and Vriska's clearly having trouble making up her mind), which causes them to get into fights. Along the way, Karkat mellows out about John, but Vriska's X-rom for John shifts fully into Redrom, just in time for Karkat and Vriska to go Blackrom for each other.

Troll romance sure is complicated.

[BitVyper]

Honestly, I think the trolls are really just looking for some affection and comfort in the dark.

[Wigmund]

I'm gonna love it if Vriska starts sending John pictures of pails and he's all "Seriously, what the fuck is up with you Trolls and cleaning supplies".
Then he sends her pics of mops and brooms.

[katiuska]

I concur. Even if there were any reason to doubt, I kinda figure blackrom relationships don't involve dressing each other.

Counterpoint (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003568).

John/Vriska does seem pretty strongly red, though.

[Locke cole]

Awww, she's blueshing.

[BitVyper]

Counterpoint.

Yeah, but that's more about humiliating/dominating him than anything. Generally speaking, that isn't what is suggested by dressing someone.

[Loyal]

Besides, Vriska is clearly into the kinky stuff.

[Aldurin]

Vriska had Tavros change his outfit before their little event. We can only guess Vriska is waiting for the opportunity for the trolls and humans to physically reach each other.

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/redromjohnandvriska.jpg

[Fifthfiend]

Damn Vriska, way to show ya bucket.

[Grimpond]

Pchoooooooo!

[POS Industries]

WHEREVER DID SHE COME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR THAT FABULOUS OUTFIT

[BitVyper]

The thing that's a little bit scary about all this shipping, is that we know Hussie very rarely leaves things unresolved. So for better or worse, you're going to see where all this ends up.

It's a good thing, but it's a bit frightening too.

[Aldurin]

Is Vriska going with a sex-with-self-of-opposite-gender fetish now? This is really creeping me out.

But I gotta say the look is cool on John.

[Fifthfiend]

Shockingly and yet, at the same time, completely unshockingly, Vriska in love-love is even more freaky weird than Vriska in hate-love.

[Token]

oh my god yeah that is totally redrom. And I'm starting to worry that I actually support it.

EDIT: I mean that last page was just downright adorable and what am I even saying

EDIT EDIT: It's like, I know I should be creeped out, but I'm too busy sort of being amazed by the fact that he actually went back and put 8 O's in Pchoooooooo and what the fuck is wrong with me

[Aldurin]

oh my god yeah that is totally redrom. And I'm starting to worry that I actually support it.

EDIT: I mean that last page was just downright adorable and what am I even saying

EDIT EDIT: It's like, I know I should be creeped out, but I'm too busy sort of being amazed by the fact that he actually went back and put 8 O's in Pchoooooooo and what the fuck is wrong with me

It's like the messed up fanfic is alread built into Homestuck now.

[Locke cole]

Well, at least it's not a ship with a paradox cloned half-sister's cousin's former roommate.

[Fifthfiend]

oh my god yeah that is totally redrom. And I'm starting to worry that I actually support it.

EDIT: I mean that last page was just downright adorable and what am I even saying

EDIT EDIT: It's like, I know I should be creeped out, but I'm too busy sort of being amazed by the fact that he actually went back and put 8 O's in Pchoooooooo and what the fuck is wrong with me

Adowable flirting is adowable flirting even when it's with a psychotically violent telepathic maniac.

EDIT: Basically what is happening here is John is the first person in literally two universes who has ever been dumb, naive, crazy and just plain-ass ignorant enough to be nice to this girl.

[katiuska]

Well, at least it's not a ship with a paradox cloned half-sister's cousin's former roommate.

Homestuck rom always just serves to remind me how much I wanted to see Karkat in the ectobiology lab... because I still can't picture how the fuck that's supposed to work with troll reproduction/familial structure.

[PCD]

Oh god I don't even like Vriska in the slightest and I have to admit this is adorable. John you are the most amazing geek to ever geek.

Also, realizing that 'redrom' sounds dangerously close to 'redrum' is really quite appropriate in this circumstance.

[Krylo]

Anderson was fantastic.

[katiuska]

I'd have a lot more respect for John's skill if he didn't giggle at people every time he successfully trolled them. Not that anyone has caught on, granted.