E3 2009: The "Why We Still Play Nintendo Games After All These Years" edition

[Loyal]

Making a new thread because I know for a fact we haven't gotten all of our fangasming done with yet. Here's the previous thread. (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=34868) And Here's the post with a bunch of trailers shown at the event. (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=935062&postcount=170)

Yes. Yes it does. Not only does it change the explanation of her different appearances being different hair cuts and hair dye from fannon to cannon, but she looks smoking hot and I'm drunk enough to say that. I mean, god damn Nintendo, stop making me like your characters so much.Also because from a military perspective it makes a lot more sense than some goddamn ponytail. Granted, she wears a suit so it's not a problem but still. Hot and not in a stripperiffic sense either.
Link is gonna be all really grown up in Zelda Wii. Apparently they just showed off a sketch of him.

7:03 p.m.: Shows new illustration for the next Zelda for Wii. Nothing to show yet, but it shows an adult link. More grown up than ever before.
"More grown up than ever before" makes me a little nervous.

Like, beard/mustache/any facial hair? May be good if pulled off properly.If they end up doing this you KNOW you'd buy it. (http://coelasquid.deviantart.com/art/Hero-of-Time-62487994)

[Mondt]

Well.

Kuja's voice sucks in the opposite extreme this time.

Fucking great, guys.

=(

[Regulus Tera]

Umm...

The first part of the Golden Sun DS' trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_zdkpo6RM&fmt=18

...and the first part of the Tales of Destiny 2's battle theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHMrbZ03NBc&fmt=18

...are the same tune?

Sakuraba! Get some new jives already!

[Mirai Gen]

I've always liked short hair and it fits Samus well, although I really have to wonder what's with that one chick at the end. Looks like a Samus clone, which could be an interesting plot.

Team Ninja has them get into a mud wrestle fight. Hot!
Links to Wikipedia
...Blues, that has absolutely nothing to do with mine, RT's, or Loyal's posts. I have to wonder if you even read them.

Plus the whole SMB2/Doki Doki Panic thing isn't even, like, rare or unheard of.

[greed]

Hell I mentioned it in my post, I mean I got the name wrong but eh

"or whatever it's called in Japan (Arabian Nights or something)".

Looks like a Samus clone, which could be an interesting plot.

Is that sarcasm or did you forget Metroid Prime 2, 3 and Metroid Fusion? I mean a good one could be different but it's not like hasn't been done before, 3 times with 2 different evil clones.

[Melfice]

...Blues, that has absolutely nothing to do with mine, RT's, or Loyal's posts. I have to wonder if you even read them.

Plus the whole SMB2/Doki Doki Panic thing isn't even, like, rare or unheard of.

"...what the fuck?" sounds like "I didn't know that" as much as it sounds like "Okay, I knew that, why the hell did you bring that up!?" on the Internet.

It's yer own damn fault for not clarifying yourself.
Fair enough, the links might have been a bit too much on his side, but really... blowing a gasket getting a bit too irritated over a misunderstanding?

[tacticslion]

"...what the fuck?" sounds like "I didn't know that" as much as it sounds like "Okay, I knew that, why the hell did you bring that up!?" on the Internet.

It's yer own damn fault for not clarifying yourself.
Fair enough, the links might have been a bit too much on his side, but really... blowing a gasket over a misunderstanding?

It's how I read it too. I think the links were his way of clarifying. Better if sources are used than not, and all.

On a related note: Nintendo! Weeeeeeee!:whee:

[Meister]

Nothing to show yet, but it shows an adult link. More grown up than ever before.
Stalking the seedier areas of Kakariko Village.

The Legend of Zelda: Red Light Princess.

[Nikose Tyris]

It's not really 'blowing a gasket' on his part either. Although the irritation is completely logical as all he did was grab one thing that looked like a flaw in the post and respond with a snubbed response.

REGARDLESS

This is the year for people to finally buy a Wii and a PS3 for those of us who don't have them, I've never seen a weaker microsoft lineup.

[Melfice]

Stalking the seedier areas of Kakariko Village.

The Legend of Zelda: Red Light Princess.

I like the way you're thinking.

EDIT: Yeah, okay. Fair enough, Nikose.

[Lost in Time]

I don't know on that... I actually saw the PS3 of the weakest of the three. Yeah Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 look great, and their motion controller is actually pretty neat, yet I didn't see any price slashing (unless I missed it) and the new hardware is passable. All the games I seen on the PS3 were renters at best. At least Microsoft upped the social aspect of their device up and Nintendo has planned for huge platforming games. I have a PS3 and a 360, and I need to buy another Wii.

Upon re-reading my post, this is incredibly biased and all my opinion.

[Regulus Tera]

Sin and Punishment 2 looks so rad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQgevmCFnw&fmt=18

MORE RAD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWpGoWdJo0&fmt=18

EDIT: Relevant:

http://penny-arcade.com/images/2009/20090603.jpg

[tacticslion]

I've been looking at the trailers and a few things occur to me.

Sin and Punishment 2:
It looks like they've done a very great deal with this game. While the basic mechanics look similar, and the graphics upgrade is obvious, they've seemingly (from visuals only) smoothed the control - or at least presentation - and added seemingly new (I've not really played the first much, so this is a presumption on what I've seen others play) modes or views (I saw what looked like platforming and at least moderately free-form flight in addition to the third-person shooter ground-based aspect of the first one). Interesting.

Final Fantasy XIII:
Huh. I can't tell if they're having a female protagonist or not, which one is the protaganist, or if it's a truly ensemble work. If, like the released work and teasers hinted, Lightning is the protagonist, than it's an trend with Square-Enix's previous works. The only games with female protagonists I can think of in the past are a) FF6 (Terra or arguably Celes) and b) FFX and X-2 (arguably Yuna in the first, definately in the second). In both cases, the game followed the ensemble as much as (or nearly as much as) the apparent protagonist (and X-2, while a fun game and interesting story is damaged by seemingly forced references to FF7 and "pretty princess dress me up" facade, neither of which it needed). I'm curious - what do you guys think? No real story up so far, granted, but from various previews and teases: what impression have you come away with. Oh, one more thing about Lightning. Granted we only see her for a few brief minutes, but she seems like an odd mix of Rikku ("whee, I'll jump off a cliff and be awesome") and Terra ("crap, my life sucks, and I'm a monster!"). FFXIV: well, huh. Just as I was thinking of getting into FFXI. Guess not, eh? I wonder if a) combat will be faster* and/or b) the experience-loss-on-death will be gone.

Professor Layton and the Daibolical Box:
This looks... exceedingly impressive. Much more so because it's on a hand-held. The actual game-play seems to be simplistic (even if it looks fiendishly difficult) in the form of puzzle games but... wow, the visuals and auditory. Story seems interesting, although they seem to show you a great deal. I'm uncertain how many more cutscenes would be in the game itself.

Golden Sun DS:
I'm ashamed to say I've never played the Golden Sun series. I've heard much of it, but never taken part of it myself. And, as very, very impressive as it looks, I'm not certain even this is capable of forcing me to buy a DS**. Nonetheless it looks like a fascinating game and, between this and PLatDB (above), if one of my brother's house-mates with the DS gets this, Imma sayin' hello more often.

The Marios:
Nice. Just Nice. All of it. A little gimmicky sure... but since when has that mattered? Mario is ALL ABOUT the gimmicky, yo! They even did this whole thing, once, when they had SIDE-SCROLLING levels! The nerve!

Metroid:
I want it. I want it to be good, too.

The Last Guardian:
I-is... is that... ICO, I smell? That sense of distilled joy and happiness and that everything is more right in the world now than everything that's previously happened before it? In the sense of my life was a waste before finding this? I... I-I... I think... *sniff* ... I didn't know I could ever be so happy. It's like every dream I've ever had as a child combined with awesome. I do wonder, however, if there is a difference in game-play visuals and cut-scene visuals. There hasn't been yet in the series, so I suspect not, in which case... wow. Wow. I'm going to go weep from joy, now.

*It certainly couldn't get any slower! Amirite?
**What would be capable of forcing me to buy a DS, you ask? Money. Lots and lots and lots of money. Feel free to give me some, if you want. That or, you know, a DS. If you want to ruin any chance that I'll ever have a career or actual life, that is.

[krogothwolf]

Trust me, That is ICO you smell or at least something in the same universe as him. It might be the bridge between ICO and Shadow of the Colossus.

I think FF XIII is going to be similar as FF XII. It'll be a story in which the main protagonist is really along for the Ride. IE Vahn being there when the story is really Ashe. All I want in FF XIII is that they bring the World Map back and allow me to fly around in an airship that I control. The loss of that has made me very very sad.

How much money do you need? a DS lite is only 100 bucks now.

[tacticslion]

How much money do you need? a DS lite is only 100 bucks now.

No, see, you're under the impression that I have it. At all.

[P-Sleazy]

^ dude be trippin balls. He has like .57 cents in his bank account.

[bluestarultor]

It's not really 'blowing a gasket' on his part either. Although the irritation is completely logical as all he did was grab one thing that looked like a flaw in the post and respond with a snubbed response.

I was trying to be helpful and bring up why it was so different in the first place, really. His WTF moment prompted me to explain knowledge I assumed he didn't have.

Didn't mean to come off snubbed, either, but I'll claim that one as my fault, because looking back at it, yeah, it doesn't come off right.

[krogothwolf]

No, see, you're under the impression that I have it. At all.

Darn you and your logic(actually im to poor to buy anything too) Maybe we can steal you one from a Pawn shop, then forget to get the charger and go in to buy one and get arrested and put on dumbest crooks! Woohoo fool proof plan for being laughed at.

DS isn't worth the 100 bucks right now anyways. I have 1 and i only use it on the bus. I stick with the PC and PS3 mostly, playing Wii with friends. I'm looking forward to Wii games for once, I'm happy though :D

[Donomni]

Things about FFXIV:

* Not a FFXI sequel, the world is completely different, but the character designs are similar to appeal to FFXI players.

* The development for FFXIV started 4 or 5 years ago with primary ideas. Development started a few years ago, while FFXI was still being supported. FFXI will continue to be supported. There is another year of content planned. There are no plans for the near future to stop development on FFXI... or so they say. Looks like they might just stop updating or release expansions for FFXI.

* They want this to be more casual, but not a WoW clone, but who knows.

* A lot of things from FFXI will be carried over: Level Sync, significant solo content, basically stuff that doesn't suck. They are keeping mum on the battle system.

* Worldwide simultaneous release for PS3 and Windows in all the languages supported. Servers will still be cross-platform and cross-countries.

* HOLY FUCK THERES A BETA

* FFXI users are a big source of feedback, natch.

* Totally did not expect them wanting you to play both FFXI and XIV. I mean, seriously, legitimately surprised. /blatantsarcasm

* HEY TERA THEY MIGHT DO A SPANISH VERSION, SENOR!

* XIV was planned as "the best" FF title. The MMO part came second. As such, they want stuff MMO's don't normally use in the game.

* They outright say lolPS2limitations are why they are shifting to XIV Instead of porting XI to the PS3 or focusing on XI as a whole. Looks like I know what PS3 to get now. :x

* That part of the trailer with the fight on the boat? INGAME ENGINE, FUCKERS

* They say they want "many vs. many and many vs. one" fights... so every other MMO fight ever?

* They want to expand on the systems used in FFXI. Job system is gonna be different. They say characters will grow more "naturally".

* All sorts of stuff will be ready to use from the get-go, based on playstyles.

* No schedule on the beta.

* No transfers from FFXI to XIV, dur.

* They aren't using Playonline for this, so no 10-15 minutes just logging in.

* They think people will still cling to the world and story for playing this. It kinda worked before, so yay?

* Nothing is being said about pricing.

[krogothwolf]

My bet is pricing will follow a normal MMO such as WoW or WAR. Don' think they'll go back to charging for Content ID. Least I hope not.

I am actually looking forward to this game.

[Tev]

* That part of the trailer with the fight on the boat? INGAME ENGINE, FUCKERS.Wait...seriously? The game's going to look that good that smooth? Because That looked like playing a cut scene which is just about what I've been waiting for in my online gaming.

[Lost in Time]

Thank god no more playonline. It is one things I am grateful for WoW. No more paying for character slots, and fast logins. Playonline and $1 per month for character slots was the devil

[mudah.swf]

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is go! PS3/360, open world action game with magical elements. According to the live blog I'm following it looks like God of War with a whip. Kojima is also involved.

[Regulus Tera]

Iwata Asks: Wii MotionPlus (http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/wiimotionplus/vol1_page1.jsp)

http://plaza.bunka.go.jp/festival/2003/images/poke.jpg

Really informative (apparently they only started development for the device in early 2008) and interesting; you should check it guys.

* HEY TERA THEY MIGHT DO A SPANISH VERSION, SENOR!

Qué lástima que no me gusten los MMOs. :P

[Squall Leonhart]

[..]
Qué lástima que no me gusten los MMOs. :PEres una nena por eso.

[Regulus Tera]

Al menos tengo las suficientes bolas para decirle a Square que se vaya al carajo cuando es debido.

Final Fantasy IV: The After Years es genial. Cómpralo.

[tacticslion]

^ dude be trippin balls. He has like .57 cents in his bank account.

Wait. They have bank a-whats now? My mind is totally blown. Is that anything like that hollowed ceramic porcine statue that I hold my precious non-copper-but-colored-that-way-and-thus-worthless coins in? 'Cause, you know, I got one of those. It has some shineys* in it. By "some" of course, I mean "three". And by "shineys"* I mean roughly circular disks of what might be considered metal if one only ignores all the laws of chemistry, having been located on and rescued from the street over the course of my lifetime. I mean, because I hear those things are lucky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMQmFvnqu14&feature=PlayList&p=79E1AD4D642524CA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=37).

*Not this Shiney (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/member.php?u=5), obviously. Sheesh.

[Kim]

So, I take it we've now heard any and all cool announcements for this year's E3?

I'm excited for FFXIV. I hope that there are character levels separate from job levels.

FFXIII I'm flip-flopping on whether or not I'm excited. I'm more excited for Versus, but I take it there wasn't anything about that this year. :(

[01d55]

Fun fact: Pretty much every bank is going to require a minimum deposit before you can open an account, and if you ever let your current balance drop too low they're gonna charge you money to keep the account open until you boost it up again.

[Regulus Tera]

Pilotwings is back in Wii Sports Resort: http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14266992/wii-sports-resort/videos/wiisportsresort_seaplanetou.html

Plus: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=18699

http://i41.tinypic.com/25qah4m.jpg

WOWZA MEGATON

[Donomni]

DKP menos para que me traduzca.

[Solid Snake]

I used to want a PS3 just to play MGS4...

But now I really want a PS3 to play The Last Guardian.

Why is it that Team ICO seems the only developers interested in investing time to learn to stock their games with real emotion? Metal Gears and Final Fantasies try to impress with their "oh so deep" hours upon hours of dialogue and their textbook-thick characterization and their convoluted plots, but something about the sheer simplicity of petting a horse or watching a girl dance around a windmill is what really speaks to me.

[Kim]

Being perfectly honest, most Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid games have actually very little characterization.

Also: New Castlevania games looks fuggin' sweet. Can't wait to play it.

[01d55]

Metal Gears ... try to impress with their "oh so deep" hours upon hours of dialogue and their textbook-thick characterization and their convoluted plots,
Who are you and what have you done with the real SS?

[Kaneda]

I just met Guillermo Del Toro a little while ago, and we talked about E3.

I mean, this isn't all that relevant, I just felt the urge to mention it because it was pretty cool. He's especially looking forward to The Last Guardian.

[Mirai Gen]

I used to want a PS3 just to play MGS4...

But now I really want a PS3 to play The Last Guardian.

Same, honestly, something about the way that Team Ico presents their emotion and gravity and such just pulls you in and demands your attention in ways that dialog can't, no matter how well written. It is something that really can only be done visually and I sincerely doubt it could be done as anything other than a video game.

[Regulus Tera]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2009/090604.html
Black Wii -> Aug 1, 2009
Red DSi -> July 11, 2009

Also available:

Wiimote Black 3,800yen
Nunchuk Black 1,800yen
Classic Controller Pro Black 2,000yen
Classic Controller Pro White 2,000yen

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2009/img_090604/wii_kuro.jpghttp://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2009/img_090604/dsi_red.jpg

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2009/img_090604/photo01.jpg http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2009/img_090604/photo02.jpg http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2009/img_090604/photo03.jpg

And from 2ch:

Software
Wii Sports Resort / June 25 / 4800 Yen

Hardware
Wii Motion Plus / June 25 / 1500 Yen

Monster Hunter 3 tri Special Pack / Aug 1, 2009 / 33,000 Yen
(Black Wii + game + Classic Controller Pro Black )

EDIT: Wii Sports Resort Homepage
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/rztj/index.html

Info & movie page at Wii.com
http://wii.com/jp/articles/wii-sports-resort/
http://wii.com/jp/movies/wii-sports-resort-movie1/
http://wii.com/jp/movies/e3-movie/

Other special movies
http://wii.com/jp/movies/wii-sports-resort-vs1/
http://wii.com/jp/movies/wii-sports-resort-vs2/
http://wii.com/jp/movies/wii-sports-resort-vs3/

EDIT2: Holy fuck, I just noticed that the day of the red DSi launch is the day of Dragon Quest IX.

[phil_]

Wii Sports Resort Homepage
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/rztj/index.htmlThere are a lot of games in Resort.

From north to south:
Jet-ski- Time trial and 2-player race
Canoeing- Details to come.
Archery- Up to four players shoot at targets.
Ping-Pong- Details to come.
Biking- Details to come.
Swording- Two-player duel, two-player "cut better than the other guy," one-player... run around hitting stuff like Dragon Quest Swords?
Frisbee Flying Disc- Disc dog and Disc golf.
Bowling- Details to come.
Basketball- Details to come.
Sky Diving- Details to come.
Wake Boarding- Details to come.
Golf- golf.

Plus, that's totally Holiday Island from Pilotwings 64.

[tacticslion]

Fun fact: Pretty much every bank is going to require a minimum deposit before you can open an account, and if you ever let your current balance drop too low they're gonna charge you money to keep the account open until you boost it up again.

Ah, yes. Something that we - as continuing education people, with one steady income are both very familiar with. It's like, "sorry, but you don't have enough money, so that's going to cost you s'more." Mmmmmmmmmmkay. Let's just go with "stupid business practice number eighty" then.

I used to want a PS3 just to play MGS4...

But now I really want a PS3 to play The Last Guardian.

Why is it that Team ICO seems the only developers interested in investing time to learn to stock their games with real emotion? Metal Gears and Final Fantasies try to impress with their "oh so deep" hours upon hours of dialogue and their textbook-thick characterization and their convoluted plots, but something about the sheer simplicity of petting a horse or watching a girl dance around a windmill is what really speaks to me.

Being perfectly honest, most Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid games have actually very little characterization.

Also: New Castlevania games looks fuggin' sweet. Can't wait to play it.

Same, honestly, something about the way that Team Ico presents their emotion and gravity and such just pulls you in and demands your attention in ways that dialog can't, no matter how well written. It is something that really can only be done visually and I sincerely doubt it could be done as anything other than a video game.

Team Ico... they are magnificent. I think part of what they do is use visual experiences in ways others don't, but they also take great detail to their sound. All of the ICO presence requires the subtle background sounds to work. I grant, even on mute it's some of the most beautifully engaging games in existance, but they attempt (and succeed!) at evoking all of the player's senses by focusing quite a great deal on two of them. The sound of the horse combined with the visual almost puts you there, letting you imagine the feel and smell of it as well. The sight of the girl playing evokes the sunny days (if you can remember what it was like to be little, before video games entered your life, it's that big shiney orb-thing I'm constantly told exists), the warmth, and joy you experienced at that time. So, yeah it's a presentation of emotion more than dialogue and it's fantastic. Even so, when they do have dialogue, it's well-written, tightly scripted and understandable (at least when in a language you can read/understand).

Unlike some MG and FF scripts. Which do have fairly good characterizations (depending on the movie/novel game your watching/reading playing), but they don't often have a large bredth of characters. Many times - even when "unique" - FF characters begin to feel very similar to one another. Cloud=Squall, in every way that matters, for example. Tidus was rather unique, until XII (doesn't mean I like 'im, just that 'e's unique, also I've only seen much of XII played and played very little, so I don't know). Yuna, Aerith, and Rosa all have way too much in common to be coincidence. So yeah, FF takes archetypes and makes characters out of 'em. There are plenty of differences between each of the characters mentioned, but it's not enough of a difference to note (granting someone comparitive super-strength or changing hair color does not a different character make). MG is much more focused on action than on dialogue ("action" does not inherently equate to "constant explosions and gun fire"), although there is a fair bit of the latter involved. It's characterization is not the main focus of that dialogue, but exposition (of story or game controls) is. Anyhoo, it's just different ways of story telling. I like them all. I'm just more of a fanboy of Team Ico's than anything else ever.

EDIT2: Holy fuck, I just noticed that the day of the red DSi launch is the day of Dragon Quest IX.

Oh, so that's how Japan ends. Huh. I always kind of figured that it would be in a war with neighboring China over who has the better post-emporer government. Go figure.

[Mirai Gen]

Team Ico... they are magnificent. I think part of what they do is use visual experiences in ways others don't, but they also take great detail to their sound. All of the ICO presence requires the subtle background sounds to work. I grant, even on mute it's some of the most beautifully engaging games in existance, but they attempt (and succeed!) at evoking all of the player's senses by focusing quite a great deal on two of them.
Sounds about right - lord knows even if I never played or heard of SotC or Ico I'd look at that trailer and go, hey, wow, I wonder what that's all about?

[krogothwolf]

Sounds about right - lord knows even if I never played or heard of SotC or Ico I'd look at that trailer and go, hey, wow, I wonder what that's all about?

You'd also almost go "WoW, those were on Previous Gen systems? cause thats how beutiful they are! I'm so excited for The Last Guardian though. I wonder if it'll tie the 2 together or be a sequel of some kind.

[Meister]

Hey, there actually was a new Mini Ninjas trailer. (http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/e3-mini-ninjas-is-cute-but-deadly) Almost the only damn game I'm actually interested in out of this whole lineup.

[krogothwolf]

Hey, there actually was a new Mini Ninjas trailer. (http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/e3-mini-ninjas-is-cute-but-deadly) Almost the only damn game I'm actually interested in out of this whole lineup.

Okay, Mini-Ninja's looks damn cool. How did I miss that?

[tacticslion]

Okay, Mini-Ninja's looks damn cool. How did I miss that?

Personally, I (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932924&postcount=16) blame (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932958&postcount=17) all of (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932963&postcount=18) my (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932967&postcount=19) failures (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=933139&postcount=21) on (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=934342&postcount=23) other people (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/member.php?u=5775). Y'know. 'Cause it's their fault (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=935062&postcount=170). Certainly I, personally could have done nothing other than accept what was put before me by someone else. Yyyyep. 'Sides. It was (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=34866) FATE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Chrono_Cross#FATE). Yeah. That's my excuse. Still desiring The Last Guardian, though.

[P-Sleazy]

Just out of curiosity, is anyone else getting adds for Swoopo here?

[krogothwolf]

Personally, I (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932924&postcount=16) blame (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932958&postcount=17) all of (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932963&postcount=18) my (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=932967&postcount=19) failures (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=933139&postcount=21) on (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=934342&postcount=23) other people (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/member.php?u=5775). Y'know. 'Cause it's their fault (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=935062&postcount=170). Certainly I, personally could have done nothing other than accept what was put before me by someone else. Yyyyep. 'Sides. It was (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=34866) FATE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Chrono_Cross#FATE). Yeah. That's my excuse. Still desiring The Last Guardian, though.

So it's fate that you are jealous of RT so you blame him for everything? Shame on you! I think everyone is desiring Last Guardian.

Chrono Cross was a great game, must play again.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

So it's fate that you are jealous of RT so you blame him for everything? Shame on you! I think everyone is desiring Last Guardian.

Chrono Cross was a great game, must play again.

You didn't just say that did you?

[Fifthfiend]

You didn't just say that did you?

Yeah, he did.:(

[krogothwolf]

Yeah, he did.:(

hey, I liked the game. It was really good.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

You gotta re-read the faq again.

Regarding Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.
Expressing your like for Chrono Cross get's you an instant warning as the game of choice is Chrono Trigger and disagreeing with this is the equivalent of arguing with a Moderator/Administrator.

[bluestarultor]

hey, I liked the game. It was really good.

It was good (in a totally different way than Chrono Trigger), but it messed up a lot of the original story. If they hadn't tried to tie it to the first game, it might have been better (partly because it would have freed up more space to put in more of their original ideas).

[krogothwolf]

You gotta re-read the faq again.

Hey, I love Chrono Trigger more then Chrono Cross by far but its still a good game.

I agree with it should have been a solo project. Trying to tie it in with Chrono trigger was a foolish Idea

[tacticslion]

You didn't just say that did you?

Look, Mac, I probably agree with you. BUT!

Exhibit A:
Not everyone thought Chrono Trigger was the best thing 3VAR. Mostly it's because they didn't play it, or did so after 'Cross, but whatever.

Exhibit B:
It was a very good game and had quite enjoyable (not Chrono Trigger) game play, a beautiful (not Chrono Trigger) world with good (not Chrono Trigger) art, and very nice (not Chrono Trigger) music. So it makes about as much sense for a sequal to Chrono Trigger as FF6 makes a great sequal to FF4. So all the characters from the previous game seemingly got punk'd. So it seems like you actually have to kill the hero of the previous game at the end of time because his will save was too low to beat a FATE machine, thank you very much Square*. So we, who were fans of the originals, are often justifiably bitter about the sequal. Some people didn't come into it with the emotional baggage** that we had. In fact, it's possible that if 'Cross came first we might actually like it better***. The fact is, however, it didn't. And it was a pretty good game on it's own****.

Conclusion: some people - regardless of how very, very wrong they are - believe that it was a great game! And they are entitled to their very wrong opinion! It had lots of great qualities! Plus it's timeline was less confusing, even given CT, than Final Fantasy 8*****!

I was enlightened by a relatively recent conversation with a friend of mine that has identical tastes... except for about Trigger/Cross. He came across it in the reverse order. So he feels the opposite as I do. However, he does admit that Chrono Trigger might have been better, if he hadn't met CC first.

ANYWAY BACK ON TOPIC, I like "IKE-OH"! :whee:

*This was the Guardian of the Dead Sea, "Miguel". I've never seen a more compelling arguement than he, himself, is Chrono under the assumed name of Miguel (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/file/563538/33597), the father of the "princess" of the game (the hero's love interest, who never sees her father, I might add), and who has all the same abilities as Chrono himself. Thank you, my childhood was just screwed. By me. I appreciate that Square. Really, I do. Though I link to someone else's theory, it was my impression when I first played through the game as well. To find the actual theory, look up "dead sea" under "inhabitants" with the find function.
**By which I mean wonderful memories and a happy Childhood.
***No. We wouldn't. Still, I'm playing the advocate here.
****That's the key. On it's own. NOT as a sequal to Chrono Trigger. Final Fantasy 8, perhaps, but not Chrono Trigger.
*****Although I rag on FF8 for it's timeline - which was abhorrent - I enjoyed the game. I even enjoyed the story. The ending was very rushed and I think that ruined it for many. It was, however, a better story than FF7, which, while also a fun game with some touching scenes, encouraged anti-social terrorist activity in the name of ecological balance. Nice.

Edit:
Wow. Ninja'd by... well... EVERYONE. Go figure.

[krogothwolf]

Look, Mac, I probably agree with you. BUT!

Exhibit A:
Not everyone thought Chrono Trigger was the best thing 3VAR. Mostly it's because they didn't play it, or did so after 'Cross, but whatever.

Exhibit B:
It was a very good game and had quite enjoyable (not Chrono Trigger) game play, a beautiful (not Chrono Trigger) world with good (not Chrono Trigger) art, and very nice (not Chrono Trigger) music. So it makes about as much sense for a sequal to Chrono Trigger as FF6 makes a great sequal to FF4. So all the characters from the previous game seemingly got punk'd. So it seems like you actually have to kill the hero of the previous game at the end of time because his will save was too low to beat a FATE machine, thank you very much Square*. So we, who were fans of the originals, are often justifiably bitter about the sequal. Some people didn't come into it with the emotional baggage** that we had. In fact, it's possible that if 'Cross came first we might actually like it better***. The fact is, however, it didn't. And it was a pretty good game on it's own****.

Conclusion: some people - regardless of how very, very wrong they are - believe that it was a great game! And they are entitled to their very wrong opinion! It had lots of great qualities! Plus it's timeline was less confusing, even given CT, than Final Fantasy 8*****!

I was enlightened by a relatively recent conversation with a friend of mine that has identical tastes... except for about Trigger/Cross. He came across it in the reverse order. So he feels the opposite as I do. However, he does admit that Chrono Trigger might have been better, if he hadn't met CC first.

ANYWAY BACK ON TOPIC, I like "IKE-OH"! :whee:

*This was the Guardian of the Dead Sea, "Miguel". I've never seen a more compelling arguement than he, himself, is Chrono under the assumed name of Miguel (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/file/563538/33597), the father of the "princess" of the game (the hero's love interest, who never sees her father, I might add), and who has all the same abilities as Chrono himself. Thank you, my childhood was just screwed. By me. I appreciate that Square. Really, I do. Though I link to someone else's theory, it was my impression when I first played through the game as well. To find the actual theory, look up "dead sea" under "inhabitants" with the find function.
**By which I mean wonderful memories and a happy Childhood.
***No. We wouldn't. Still, I'm playing the advocate here.
****That's the key. On it's own. NOT as a sequal to Chrono Trigger. Final Fantasy 8, perhaps, but not Chrono Trigger.
*****Although I rag on FF8 for it's timeline - which was abhorrent - I enjoyed the game. I even enjoyed the story. The ending was very rushed and I think that ruined it for many. It was, however, a better story than FF7, which, while also a fun game with some touching scenes, encouraged anti-social terrorist activity in the name of ecological balance. Nice.

Edit:
Wow. Ninja'd by... well... EVERYONE. Go figure.

I played Chrono Trigger after Chrono Cross. Infact playing Chrono Cross brought me to play Chrono Trigger. I mostly had a NES then Genisis growing up, never really played the SNES till after Chrono Cross was released.

I will freely and openly admit Chrono Cross is a great and beautiful game in its own right. It is not as great as Chrono Trigger but its Story, game play and sound are topnotch and its graphics were amazing on the system it was released on. To consider it horrible mainly because you dislike the story tying the 2 games together is not giving the game the justice it is due. And its a narrow minded view on the game as well.

[tacticslion]

I played Chrono Trigger after Chrono Cross. Infact playing Chrono Cross brought me to play Chrono Trigger. I mostly had a NES then Genisis growing up, never really played the SNES till after Chrono Cross was released.

I will freely and openly admit Chrono Cross is a great and beautiful game in its own right. It is not as great as Chrono Trigger but its Story, game play and sound are topnotch and its graphics were amazing on the system it was released on. To consider it horrible mainly because you dislike the story tying the 2 games together is not giving the game the justice it is due. And its a narrow minded view on the game as well.

Hey. I allowed it the right to exist in a pathetic hole of nothingness. It should be thanking me for being so magnanimous. Also, I read the faq*. And I'm scared of the mods**.

*This is not true. I've never seen the faq before.
**This is true. I strongly suspect they know where I live and are watching me at all times.

Edit: where is this mythical faq?

[krogothwolf]

Hey. I allowed it the right to exist in a pathetic hole of nothingness. It should be thanking me for being so magnanimous. Also, I read the faq*. And I'm scared of the mods**.

*This is not true. I've never seen the faq before.
**This is true. I strongly suspect they know where I live and are watching me at all times.

This Forum is secretly Big Brother? Sweet!

I thought I read a bunch on it but I never actually saw that before. I still find it funny people are so against it considering how well done it was aside from the loosely tying it to Chrono Trigger which was only done to appease the fans of chrono trigger who endlessly clamor for a sequel.

Lets put it this way, I hope they never ever do a sequel to Chrono Trigger for these reasons.

1) It could ruin the Chrono Trigger if its not done right
2) Fans of chrono trigger who don't like how it ties in the story somehow will bitch and complain about it endlessly.
3) There's no point in doing it if the original creators of Chrono Trigger aren't involved.
4) Considering the flame war that could happen in a Chrono Cross/Chrono Trigger debate, this one could be devestating between those who feel it is a good sequel and those who don't.
5) Chrono Trigger actually had a decent main ending and I think a sequel would ruin that.
6) What would they fight for a main villian that would be a cause for Time Travel again? Lavos is dead and Magus is either dead or gotten his revenge

[Mirai Gen]

This is some E3 thread we have going here.

[Melfice]

This is some E3 thread we have going here.

Then again, this is on-par when it comes to anybody mentioning anything involving the words Chrono, Trigger and/or Cross, and there ain't no force in the world stopping this* when Fifthfiend strongly endorse Chrono Trigger and is mounting another Holy Crusade against anybody who likes Chrono Cross.
Also, dude... sorry for getting in your face in the previous thread. Or was it this one? I don't even remember. Anyway, I don't know why I did that.
* Mind you, now a mod will come in and get everybody on track again.

[tacticslion]

This is some E3 thread we have going here.

My bad.

So: on topic: who thinks Nintendo won E3?

Off topic: I see your point krogothwolf and would gladly discuss it more in some not-this-E3 thread! :)

[krogothwolf]

My bad.

So: on topic: who thinks Nintendo won E3?

Off topic: I see your point krogothwolf and would gladly discuss it more in some not-this-E3 thread! :)

I would gladly discuss it as well

I think the Vitality Sensor is by far the weirdest thing I've seen at this E3 so far.

[tacticslion]

I would gladly discuss it as well

I think the Vitality Sensor is by far the weirdest thing I've seen at this E3 so far.

I think it's just part of Nintendo's ever-present plot to one day control the world through their technology. First it's reading us, then it's writing us. Insideous eh?

Edit: note that this doesn't mean I'm against them or anything. I wouldn't want to be caught on the wrong side once they inevitably win, after all. I'm still a nintendo fanboy.

[Kim]

Vitality Sensor is weird, but apparently Suda 51 has some ideas for it, so I'll hold out hope for it. There is a naive part of me that wants Suda 51 using it to make a Gurren Lagann game.

[krogothwolf]

I think it's just part of Nintendo's ever-present plot to one day control the world through their technology. First it's reading us, then it's writing us. Insideous eh?

Maybe it's for the South Koreans and Chinese players who die while playing Starcraft and WoW due to not eating?

Just heard: New Super Mario Bros not including Online play due to hardware limitation.

[tacticslion]

Maybe it's for the South Koreans and Chinese players who die while playing Starcraft and WoW due to not eating?

Yes. Only no, because they're communist and therefore stupid.*

Just heard: New Super Mario Bros not including Online play due to hardware limitation.

That. Well, huh. Now I'm not certain how to feel about Nintendo. Seriously? Hardware limitation?

*Not jingoistic at all!

[Kim]

That. Well, huh. Now I'm not certain how to feel about Nintendo. Seriously? Hardware limitation?

I take it I'm the only person who doesn't care about the lack of online as the multiplayer experience looks more oriented towards you and your buddies sitting on the couch, somewhat drunk, and throwing each other into Goombas because you're dicks?

[krogothwolf]

Yeah, Apparently the titles uses up all the Wii's proccessing power making it unable to adequately allow online play :\

Activision is now Sueing over Brutal Legends

[tacticslion]

I take it I'm the only person who doesn't care about the lack of online as the multiplayer experience looks more oriented towards you and your buddies sitting on the couch, somewhat drunk, and throwing each other into Goombas because you're dicks?

See, I'm actually ok with it. Still, it's odd that such a feature would be excised from a game due to "hardware limitations"? I mean the existance of the limitations are what surprises me, not that, given the limitations it would be ousted. Especially in my case since one of the primary ways I'd play with this new and revolutionary multiplayer Mario experience is online. 'Cause you know, you people seem to presume I have friends. Geeze. What, you think someone actually needs that stuff or somethin'?

[Kim]

Somehow the fact that this is just happening now, especially during E3 where Brutal Legend has had such a strong showing, makes me think that Activision is full of shit.

[Squall Leonhart]

[...]Geeze. What, you think someone actually needs that stuff or somethin'?To play multiplayer games, for starters.

Resident Evil 5 with someone with you until the crack of dawn is so much more awesome than screaming at Sheva not to screw up.

[krogothwolf]

See, I'm actually ok with it. Still, it's odd that such a feature would be excised from a game due to "hardware limitations"? I mean the existance of the limitations are what surprises me, not that, given the limitations it would be ousted. Especially in my case since one of the primary ways I'd play with this new and revolutionary multiplayer Mario experience is online. 'Cause you know, you people seem to presume I have friends. Geeze. What, you think someone actually needs that stuff or somethin'?

I would play it Online with my brother who lives in Ontario so yes it is a letdown for me :(

Here's an article on the lawsuit
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iRyiac51TaKFwRT3opmPTyIwtjfwD98JVNC00

[Meister]

this is on-par when it comes to anybody mentioning anything involving the words Chrono, Trigger and/or Cross
Fun fact: when I saw Mac's post I almost stepped in right there, but then I thought, naw, surely people will have the common sense not to go through the tired old spiel again and derail the thread for half a page.

Lesson learned.

Seriously it's always the same. Every time someone mentions Chrono Cross it goes "nuh-uh you didn't", "yes he did", "what, I liked it", "how can you it was terrible" "it wasn't as good as Chrono Trigger but had its merits" etc., and whatever discussion there was grinds to a halt until the entire awful script is played through. Next time someone says Chrono Cross can we please try and just skip it?

[krogothwolf]

Fun fact: when I saw Mac's post I almost stepped in right there, but then I thought, naw, surely people will have the common sense not to go through the tired old spiel again and derail the thread for half a page.

Lesson learned.

Seriously it's always the same. Every time someone mentions Chrono Cross it goes "nuh-uh you didn't", "yes he did", "what, I liked it", "how can you it was terrible" "it wasn't as good as Chrono Trigger but had its merits" etc., and whatever discussion there was grinds to a halt until the entire awful script is played through. Next time someone says Chrono Cross can we please try and just skip it?

Sorry, I didn't know that it was an issue to be honest. I just saw the FATE thing and followed it and didn't think It would do that just by me saying what I did thought it was a harmless comment.

New Black Wii, was wondering when they'd do that surprised it took as long as it did.

[Fifthfiend]

hey, I liked the game. It was really good.

:( :( :(

This is some E3 thread we have going here.

Fun fact: when I saw Mac's post I almost stepped in right there, but then I thought, naw, surely people will have the common sense not to go through the tired old spiel again and derail the thread for half a page.

Lesson learned.

Seriously it's always the same. Every time someone mentions Chrono Cross it goes "nuh-uh you didn't", "yes he did", "what, I liked it", "how can you it was terrible" "it wasn't as good as Chrono Trigger but had its merits" etc., and whatever discussion there was grinds to a halt until the entire awful script is played through. Next time someone says Chrono Cross can we please try and just skip it?

Yeah that eleven-post digression really took away from the three hundred pages we've had of "Miyamoto sneezed! z0MG!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[krogothwolf]

I'm sorry for making you sad FifthFiend. If I knew it was a no-no I wouldn't have said it.

I blame RT for the nintendo love in, he's contagious and affect us all. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Meister]

Sorry, I didn't know that it was an issue to be honest.
Oh hey you don't have anything to apologize about, just mentioning Chrono Cross isn't an issue in any way. (That FAQ quote was bogus, just in case that's left unclear.) Don't worry.

e: it's the principle of the thing man, I don't feel like waiting to speak up until it becomes an issue in a shorter thread when it's just as much of an issue here.

[h4x.m4g3]

So who's up for more zombie killing? Left 4 Dead 2.

A collection of info I can't remember where I collected it from.
New Level director to create alternate paths, blockades, etc. More than just items and enemies.
Day light missions changes the rules of the game. Such as mobile witches.
Lots of new special infected. New one that was shown rushes in and attempts to ram survivors throwing them away from the group and off buildings/bridges.
Chapters are supposed to be interlocked instead of stand-alone, presenting a story this time.
5 chapters at launch and survival mode out of the box.
Melee weapons (obviously).
Special ammo for weapons, (incendiary rounds were shown).
Takes place across the heart of the dixie (this is where I live [AL] so it gets a point).



Also did anyone else notice in the Metroid: Other M trailer, Samus has a ponytail in the clip where she's in the zero suit. Flashback maybe?

[Mirai Gen]

I get the distinct feeling that in the next few years Nintendo's going to start getting kicked in the ass by their shitty online service. Online is seriously the future, and Nintendo's completely sucks.

[tacticslion]

Also did anyone else notice in the Metroid: Other M trailer, Samus has a ponytail in the clip where she's in the zero suit. Flashback maybe?

Interesting. I did note that, but I've been thinking that maybe this was a prequel (especially since it has Adam and all), significantly before any of the other games. I'm not 100% up on my Samus chronology, though.

[krogothwolf]

I think I heard it mentioned it is set between Super Metriod and Fusion

[h4x.m4g3]

Interesting. I did note that, but I've been thinking that maybe this was a prequel (especially since it has Adam and all), significantly before any of the other games. I'm not 100% up on my Samus chronology, though.

I'm not sure when it takes place, it just seemed weird when every other scene has Samus with hair too short to make that ponytail.

[tacticslion]

I'm not sure when it takes place, it just seemed weird when every other scene has Samus with hair too short to make that ponytail.

Agreed. I don't think I explained myself enough: I kind of thought it had flashbacks in it, and the short-haired versions were them. OR it takes place over an extended period of time without any flashbacks, and one is early game, the other endgame.

[P-Sleazy]

Metroid Chronology, a la Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(series))

Interestingly enough, the time frame this happens is after Super Metroid, but before Fusion. And Fusion is the last of the series, which is where we are introduced to Adam is it not?

EDIT: Ninja'd a couple of times.

EDIT2: Also, link to Metroid: Other M Wiki Page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid:_Other_M). It states that the blonde haired scientist at the end of the video is in fact NOT Samus, but none-the less an important character.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm sorry for making you sad FifthFiend. If I knew it was a no-no I wouldn't have said it.

If you haven't worked out how things work here the fact that something makes me sad is generally a 100% valid reason why you should say something and I almost certainly have it coming.

[phil_]

Metroid Chronology, a la Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(series))

Interestingly enough, the time frame this happens is after Super Metroid, but before Fusion. And Fusion is the last of the series, which is where we are introduced to Adam is it not?

EDIT: Ninja'd a couple of times.

EDIT2: Also, link to Metroid: Other M Wiki Page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid:_Other_M). It states that the blonde haired scientist at the end of the video is in fact NOT Samus, but none-the less an important character.And here's the interview where we learned these things. (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=0&cId=3174587&p=44) I'm aware that the chronology is mentioned in the introduction to this article; it's reiterated during the interview on page 2.

[krogothwolf]

If you haven't worked out how things work here the fact that something makes me sad is generally a 100% valid reason why you should say something and I almost certainly have it coming.

Yes well.. Should still say sorry when you upset someone, its how I was raised lol.

[OverNineThousand89]

Iwata Asks: Wii MotionPlus (http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/wiimotionplus/vol1_page1.jsp)

Now I'll have to devise a way to break 1600 degrees per second... dammit.

[phil_]

Now I'll have to devise a way to break 1600 degrees per second... dammit.http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/346/phildozerbigrc8.gif

[01d55]

If you haven't worked out how things work here the fact that something makes me sad is generally a 100% valid reason why you should say something and I almost certainly have it coming.

So, uh, for justice? (http://www.youtube.com/v/lkeZ2P4SiY8)

[h4x.m4g3]

Space Marine Trailer HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpBOJcca9w) - I need it now. Then Relic I want you to wait 2 weeks and announce the downloadable chapter where I get to join the Soul Drinkers. I'm just hoping for more than orks as enemies, I'm ready chop up some Eldar/Tau/Necrons/Chaos Marines/Mutants/Demons/Traitor Guards/Tyranids/etc each requiring the player to change tactics to defeat.

[OverNineThousand89]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/346/phildozerbigrc8.gif

I lol'd

[krogothwolf]

Space Marine Trailer HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpBOJcca9w) - I need it now. Then Relic I want you to wait 2 weeks and announce the downloadable chapter where I get to join the Soul Drinkers. I'm just hoping for more than orks as enemies, I'm ready chop up some Eldar/Tau/Necrons/Chaos Marines/Mutants/Demons/Traitor Guards/Tyranids/etc each requiring the player to change tactics to defeat.

I WANT! Oh wow that was cool. Did they give a release date?

[Kim]

Hey Fifth, maybe this will calm your fears?

Don't worry. Hayashi says Team Ninja will be keeping things classy.

"Every female character in our games is as attractive as possible, both inside and out", Hayashi said. "There has to be something attractive".

"But as long as we provide that in the one place - the inside - that's what's important with this game".

[OverNineThousand89]

Hey Fifth, maybe this will calm your fears?

Thank the numberless gods of Chaos that I had the sense to set this up ahead of time.

Er... wait.

[Donomni]

I get the distinct feeling that in the next few years Nintendo's going to start getting kicked in the ass by their shitty online service. Online is seriously the future, and Nintendo's completely sucks.

There are probably a lot of other things wrong, but Friend Codes, I'm looking at you.

[Kim]

Not super-tiny version of Zelda picture. Groovy.

http://i43.tinypic.com/16m292d.jpg

Legend of Zelda: Dawn Prince, calling it now!

[tacticslion]

So, uh, for justice? (http://www.youtube.com/v/lkeZ2P4SiY8)

That... that may be the most awesome thing I've ever seen. I'm uncertain how I feel about it, really. Just... thank you 01d55. Thank you. *sniff*

Legend of Zelda: Dawn Prince, calling it now!

Huh. I wonder how much more the zelda world will expand? Another light(er?) world to go with the shadow world from twilight princess? Or do you think this is the as-of-yet-unchanged Light World. Or a different local light world, not yet affected by Ganon's stuff, based off of a new world location? Or, you know, it could be something totally different. Anyhoo, I'm excited!

[Bells]

Ok, so i've been out of the forum the whole E3 and now i need to put this out there. So bare with me here people...

NINTENDO

What the fuck is wrong with you nintendo? One minute you make me love you, the next you make me hate you... ! Seriously, WTF?!

The New mario games seems fine, Mario Bros Wii with 4 player coop seems pretty cool, but "sounds" Basic wiiware fare. Needs moar info to get hyped. And Galaxy 2, i guess Mario is this Year's Metroid (less innovation moar repetition). On the Other hand, Holy flippin balls Metroid seems awesome on all levels!

Also, worth the mention, Red Steel 2 seems pretty fun so far and it's great to see it bundled with Wiimotion plus (it's the LEAST i would expect). However... after Natal and the "PS3-Glowingdildostick (GDS)" cast a really heavy shadow on Wiimotion Plus....

PS: And F-DAMNIT you better grow some balls and deliver a great Zelda Game. You took the gamble and won with Mario (Galaxy) and Metroid (Another M), don't be a pussy and work that Zelda right!

MICROSOFT

I... really i don't know what is wrong with Kojima... is he... Throwing a bone to Microsoft!? Raiden? Rising? Really? No god damn trailer, no exclusive, no information and he even fucks up Raidens eye color (Rising: Brown eyes. MGS: Blue). AND he is not so "hands on" with this project (Like he is with Castlevania and Peace Walker). It really felt like "There, there... stop crying now." I believe it can be a very good game and all... but seriously... weird.

FF13 on 360... they just displayed footage of the Demo, but it seems Ok. Good to know they are presenting a proper product here (although, it's Squeenix they usually don't fuck up in that area) i still expect it to be a multi-disk huge-install game though..

Project Natal:

Let me tell you this... the Demo they showed was Awesome. Great looking stuff... although, it felt a lot of smoke and mirrors and not so much practicality on games. Something the guys at the Sony conference said that i think it applies here is that "There is only so much you can do without buttons and triggers". Voice recognition requires some work to go beyond a gimmick (but that is it's most usuable feature) and the motion controls with the camera... i dunno.

Look, they only showed a Video demo that was scripted all the way. And every reporter that went Backstage to test it out mentioned that it needs some work (understandable) and that there was some strings being pulled behind Milo by a "on scene" technician. I won't call it a dud, but after the "Awe shock" of the first impression, i'm still wondering where developers can actually have good use for this $200 peripheral... Microsoft has to pull trough some milestones here or else it will be just another HD-DVD Drive...

SONY

FF13 still looks awesome. FFXIV sent me "LOL'ing" like a retard (so... laughing as usual), i wasn't expecting that, and it does look quite promising. Was really expecting more from Versus and Agito!

Gran Turismo looks hot! Can't compare to Forza because i didn't saw that part... but GT looks fantastic.

New FUCKING Castlevania! Kojimavania! (that's not exclusive right?) With Patrick stewart delivering!! Everything on that trailer looked awesome!

Sony's Glowing Wand Thingy: If SOny can pull out of their asses to pack a pair of these with the Eyetoy for under $100... that's it. They kill Wiimotion Plus and Natal right there. But since they had the Nerve to charge $250 for the freaking PSP GO... i doubt it.

It seems fun and it seems much more practical than Natal. That's the sort of stuff you can add to games today and it would work. I mean, like, you could make a God Of War game that has the option of a control Scheme with those Motion controlled wands. And it would work! Seems really well done and, what i think "sold it" to me was they Demoing the thing, right there, live. "What you see is what you get" goes a long way and on that remark Sony's Motion Controller takes a step in front Natal (untill they show it in a more finished state)

God Of War 3: I was expecting more from the Demo. Felt like GoW2 with better graphics. But i don't doubt this will be a killer title.

Overall it was a MUCH better E3 than last year, but Nintendo kinds wasted half their time with recycles and some stupid cardio-monitor stuff... Sony and Microsoft gave a much more balanced show and it really does feel like all you guys will be broke by the Holidays!

[Kim]

New Mario has over 80 levels and a penguin suit. That won it for me.

Mario Galaxy 2 is harder and aimed at more of a 'core' audience. Plus it has Yoshi.

Metroid Mother looks like it might be good, but I worry that it'll be to full of cheesy dialogue and cutscenes and that the gameplay might be clunky. I'll need to hear more about how it plays hands on before I make up my mind.

Wii Vitality Sensor I don't really care about but Suda 51 has an idea for it so that's cool.

[Bells]

New Mario has over 80 levels and a penguin suit. That won it for me.

Penguin Suit? Ok, i'm Game again.


Mario Galaxy 2 is harder and aimed at more of a 'core' audience. Plus it has Yoshi.

Metroid Mother looks like it might be good, but I worry that it'll be to full of cheesy dialogue and cutscenes and that the gameplay might be clunky. I'll need to hear more about how it plays hands on before I make up my mind.

Wii Vitality Sensor I don't really care about but Suda 51 has an idea for it so that's cool.

Yoshi does make anything better, i'm just spoiled by the fact that this is the first time they go "sequel tiemz!" on a 3d mario...

Also, about Metroid... the guy on the trailer going "Remember me?" was enough for me to sense the cheese. Specially since i really don't remember him at all...

Plus, Calling it right now: Fuck the Wii vitality sensor in the eye with a velvet rope on Colonel's Mustard Bedroom.

[h4x.m4g3]

You know I was reading the preview of the Silent Hill remake for Wii, and suddenly the Wii Vitality Sensor had a use.

See the Silent Hill Remake (while not using Wii Vitality Sensor) is suppose to keep track of your reactions including how much time you spend looking/messing with something. The example given was one demo-er spent some time looking at some risque magazines or poster, and when the female police officer showed up later she was stripperific, while the guy next to him had a normal cop.

Anyway showed throw the Wii Vitality Sensor into their next horror/survival-horror game and suddenly we have a game that knows what's actually freaking you out, when it becomes old hat. An action game that knows how to get your blood pumping. Don't know how feasable it is to play with that hooked up but it might do cool stuff, although odds are we'll just get Wii Fitter 3, EA's Total Fitness Game, and Activision's HEARTRATE HERO!

[Kim]

Yoshi does make anything better, i'm just spoiled by the fact that this is the first time they go "sequel tiemz!" on a 3d mario...

That isn't necessarily a bad thing, given that there is still a lot they can do with Galaxy. Apparently 90-95% of what will be in the game will be new stuff that wasn't in the first. Besides, I don't have any problems with making a sequel to an awesome game.

about Metroid... the guy on the trailer going "Remember me?" was enough for me to sense the cheese. Specially since i really don't remember him at all...

Remember in Metroid Fusion, when the AI reminded Samus of someone she used to know, and it turned out the AI actually had had that person's personality implanted or some shit? It's that guy.

[Mike McC]

Hey Fifth, maybe this will calm your fears?Don't worry. Hayashi says Team Ninja will be keeping things classy.

"Every female character in our games is as attractive as possible, both inside and out", Hayashi said. "There has to be something attractive".

"But as long as we provide that in the one place - the inside - that's what's important with this game".That doesn't assuage my fears at all. Because god knows what they mean by 'attractive on the inside'. For by all we know, that could mean is "She's really a happy Bimbo, that's really attractive amirite?".

Also, the more I look at it, the more I start thinking it will be linear stage-based. And if that's the case... fuck you, Team Ninja. And fuck you, Nintendo, you should have kept it at Retro Studios, or given it to another more trustworthy developer.

Seriously, if they fuck up Metroid, there will be blood. It'll make Kill Bill look like a papercut.

[Kim]

That doesn't assuage my fears at all. Because god knows what they mean by 'attractive on the inside'. For by all we know, that could mean is "She's really a happy Bimbo, that's really attractive amirite?".

All I'm saying is that they seem to grasp that (most of) the fans don't want Samus to be Titties McNakedgirl.

Also, the more I look at it, the more I start thinking it will be linear stage-based. And if that's the case... fuck you, Team Ninja. And fuck you, Nintendo, you should have kept it at Retro Studios, or given it to another more trustworthy developer.

Most of what we've seen was boss battle-ish stuff and cinematics. Either this means there'll be very little adventure-platforming, in which case, yeah 'Fuck Team Ninja'. Or it could just be a result of how little we've seen.

Seriously, if they fuck up Metroid, there will be blood. It'll make Kill Bill look like a papercut.

*HUG*

[Demonlink2]

Remember in Metroid Fusion, when the AI reminded Samus of someone she used to know, and it turned out the AI actually had had that person's personality implanted or some shit? It's that guy.

I thought the "remember me" guy was the black guy in the trailer, the only identifier that it was Adam was his catchphrase at the beginning.

[phil_]

Adam isn't the "Remember me?" guy. The guy from the old Nintendo Power comics probably (and I sorta feel like I should make that bold text bigger) isn't the "Remember me?" guy. I have no idea who the "Remember me?" guy is.

What I will say is that Super Meroid was third person and it was awesome. Fusion was third person with cut scenes, and it was ok (leaning toward awesome). (Further opinion time) I don't think a third person Metroid where Samus kicks alien ass will be bad.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Also, the more I look at it, the more I start thinking it will be linear stage-based. And if that's the case... fuck you, Team Ninja. And fuck you, Nintendo, you should have kept it at Retro Studios, or given it to another more trustworthy developer.
Super Metroid looks pretty linear stage based if you look at really short cuts of most sections of the game.

Let's not completely lose hope even though there's more than enough evidence that this might get fucked up!

[greed]

IGN: At your developer roundtable this week, you showed off a single piece of artwork from the next Wii Zelda game. This piece of art has not yet been released publicly, but we noticed that Link appears to have grown to full adulthood. He looks older than he did in Twilight Princess. Is that a correct assumption?

Shigeru Miyamoto: Well, the story setting for this Zelda is, of course, in a completely different era and Link is older than he was previously. More approaching adulthood. There is one hint. Maybe from the art work you can see that he's not holding a sword.

IGN: Has he lost his Master Sword?

Shigeru Miyamoto: [Laughing] I just wanted to make sure that you understand we are making it. That's all I'm going to say on that subject.


What do you reckon the silver girl/boy is the master sword or some other magic sword?

He/she also looks like the fairies from WW.

[Mirai Gen]

Man that person standing behind Link is so obviously the Master Sword as a human I can't believe I didn't notice it till just now.

[bluestarultor]

What do you reckon the silver girl/boy is the master sword or some other magic sword?

He/she also looks like the fairies from WW.

Not that I'm really big on new Zelda games (generally don't have the systems, since most/all are for Nintendo and this is a Sony household when it comes to consoles (minus Game Boy units)), but it looks at most like he upgraded to no more than 21, which isn't that much of a difference. Sort of like looking at Jack between 2 and 3 of his series. When they said older, I was expecting, I dunno, more than needing to turn my head and squint?

Also, I highly doubt they're going to leave him fully swordless. It's a staple of his character, and Captain America, he ain't. Maybe the statue is his sword somehow, but he's going to get some form of weaponry, I'm sure. At least the boomerang. Or maybe not, if the statue is going to help in puzzle-solving, but it strikes me as odd that they'd turn him into an animal trainer for combat. Link has never been helpless in combat, even when he's had help from others. Case in point, Oracle of Seasons, where his rides provided him with their attacks, but in the same vein, he was riding them and not off to the side.

[Arhra]

Remember in Metroid Fusion, when the AI reminded Samus of someone she used to know, and it turned out the AI actually had had that person's personality implanted or some shit? It's that guy.
What? No, that's not Adam. Although Adam was in the trailer, recognisable mainly by his pimptastic hat.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/250px-Adammalkovich.jpg

Master Sword as a person? I see it now. The way that cloak falls and the gem are rather distinctive... Hmm, interesting.

[Regulus Tera]

Man that person standing behind Link is so obviously the Master Sword as a human I can't believe I didn't notice it till just now.

Internet in 2005: HEY GUYS LINK DOESN'T HAVE A MASTER SWORD COULD IT BE THAT MIDNA IS THE MASTER SWORD?

People actually speculated this because her helmet looked like the Master Sword's hilt.

EDIT: Oh God (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/04/hands-on-sin-and-punishment-2/).

We didn't quite make it to the end of the [Sin and Punishment 2] demo -- though it was clear that the boss fight was a natural stopping point, and the Nintendo rep nearby told us that there was only a minute or so of gameplay after that fight. We died, is what happened -- at which point a message came up that read "Thanks for your playing!" Thanks for your reading.

TREASURE GET BETTER TRANSLATORS ALREADY GODDAMN (http://www.sixfortyfive.com/temp/doteater.jpg)

EDIT2: Pokémon Scramble announced for Wiiware (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tTv3WvI_88&fmt=18).

EDIT3: Tons of Glory of Heracles media (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16185731&postcount=145).

[Arhra]

Internet in 2005: HEY GUYS LINK DOESN'T HAVE A MASTER SWORD COULD IT BE THAT MIDNA IS THE MASTER SWORD?

People actually speculated this because her helmet looked like the Master Sword's hilt.
But Midna's helmet doesn't look anything like the hilt.

However...

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/zelda_msword_compare.jpg

Interesting, no?

[Mike McC]

Super Metroid looks pretty linear stage based if you look at really short cuts of most sections of the game.

Let's not completely lose hope even though there's more than enough evidence that this might get fucked up!Most of what we've seen was boss battle-ish stuff and cinematics. Either this means there'll be very little adventure-platforming, in which case, yeah 'Fuck Team Ninja'. Or it could just be a result of how little we've seen.I'm actually basing it off of the high number of story scenes showcased in the trailer. I know it's not a complete confirmation, but The more story you pack in, the harder it is to not be stage based. Look at Fusion, there was a really small window in which you could actually explore. It was practically on rails.

[Regulus Tera]

Hey, I'm just retelling the old story. I actually believe she is the Master Sword (and the Queen of the Fairies from The Wind Waker, too).

[Kerensky287]

You guys suck at guessing.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/not%20LP/zelda_caps_compare.jpg

He's clearly holding the Captain America shield.

...But seriously, they did say that it was an entirely different era. Maybe we're finally getting Steampunk/Future Zelda?

[Kim]

Future Zelda?

That's why he doesn't have the Master Sword. Has Master Assault Rifle!

[Regulus Tera]

...But seriously, they did say that it was an entirely different era. Maybe we're finally getting Steampunk/Future Zelda?

I think this will be the origin story of the Master Sword. Hence, before OoT.


LittleBigColossus is announced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-icNMj-UkMg&fmt=18

EDIT: The Silent Assassin, webmaster of Zelda Universe and who was at E3, says (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16191545&postcount=629):

This isn't posted anywhere as far as I have seen, but I was told this is the first Zelda game built from the ground-up around a story, not a gameplay idea (which if you know anything about Zelda's development history over the years, is amazing). The statement that they're holding off on what "controls" to use, yet the game is "really far along", and Miyamoto's remarks at the round table seem to back up what I heard, in my opinion. So I'm rather excited now to see what comes from this game.

I see now why they probably did not want to release the image. Everyone is already speculating the creature next to Link is the Master Sword, and now when it is isn't, fans will cry that such a cool idea was wasted, and if it is, they'll cry Miyamoto was being too obvious/posted a spoiler that ruined the surprise.

[mudah.swf]

The Uncharted 2 footage I saw looked really awesome and I wish I was in the beta :(

[Ryong]

On the Zelda art: Link's left-handed. Why does he have the shield on his left-hand?


...There's something wrong here.

[Fenris]

On the Zelda art: Link's left-handed. Why does he have the shield on his left-hand?

Death Mountain must be off to the left.

[Regulus Tera]

On the Zelda art: Link's left-handed. Why does he have the shield on his left-hand?


...There's something wrong here.

The majority of people around the world is right-handed. Hence, the majority of Wii owners is right-handed. As Link is a link between the player and the game, he becomes right-handed for the sake of Wii MotionPlus realism.

Lefties are screwed again. I'm ambidextrous, so I don't give a shit.

[Kim]

Some news on that Milo thing for Project NATAL
You won't, however, be able to verbally abuse or emotionally attack Milo, Molyneux said.

Well fuck you, Peter Molyneux. That was the only thing I considered purchasing it to do.

[Michie]

On the Zelda art: Link's left-handed. Why does he have the shield on his left-hand?


...There's something wrong here.
The majority of people around the world is right-handed. Hence, the majority of Wii owners is right-handed. As Link is a link between the player and the game, he becomes right-handed for the sake of Wii MotionPlus realism.

Lefties are screwed again. I'm ambidextrous, so I don't give a shit.

This is why the Game cube version of Twilight Princess and the Wii version are mirrored. While Link's always been left handed they had to switch him to right handed to make us of the Wii controllers.

In November 2006, Twilight Princess was released as the first Zelda game on the Wii, and later, in December 2006, on the Nintendo GameCube, the console for which it was originally developed. The Wii version features a reversed world; everything that is in the west on the GameCube is in the east on the Wii, and vice versa (The game was mirrored in order to make Link right-handed to make use of the Wii remote feel more natural).

[Fifthfiend]

As long as there's an option to flip him for the Southpaws I can't be too massively offended on their behalf.

It'd be nice if they kept him leftie in the promo art and shit for the sake of tradition but whatever that half-second confusion that might cause for some retard somewhere might cost Nintendo one entire sale or something.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

On the Zelda art: Link's left-handed. Why does he have the shield on his left-hand?
See, I'm thinking he's just ambidextrous and he decided to change it up somewhere along the line.

[Azisien]

Finally watched all the conferences, er, actually I haven't seen the end of the Sony one. Oh, and the speaker on the PC I watched it on was the shittiest in the known universe, so I comment mostly on the video portion. Big Three Synopsis:

Microsoft: Crackdown 2 being a different studio is worrying, I'm joining the Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Group on Steam but I'll still probably buy it. Fucking Valve. Most everything looked good. I think I have to give the spectacle/surprise award to Microsoft mostly for Project Natal, even though my interest in it could be described as apprehensive at best. Xbox 360 until 2015? Good lord, my current PC hardware blows the 360 out of the water, I don't want to think about what it'll do in 6 years. My gaming tastes have led me to preferentially slant towards the 360, but it's not like any motion-sensing technology sold me on it. On the other hand, if Natal can deliver some interesting multiplayer capacity, I'm in. While watching Ricochet I couldn't help but envision Dodgeball with like 12 players or something, or Snowball Fight 360. What's this Natal fucker going to cost, anyway? Knowing Microsoft, probably $450. And when will it launch, 2012?

Nintendo: I unfortunately had to watch this conference in jagged chunks, so it's possible I missed up to 5-10 minutes on it. Okay, I'll be honest, I skipped a lot of the DS stuff. Golden Sun DS is a great announcement, but, it just dawned on me now I probably have to play the GBA sequel. So long, more free time! In terms of overall impressiveness, the conference could really only be described as more of the same. Kinda boring. Some of the games look fun, but I guess Nintendo sitting atop its pleasant white throne of doom means they didn't feel like doing shit this year. SMG2 and Wii Sports Resort look pretty great. But okay, I laughed out loud when the guy was talking about innovation and creativity and then showed Mario games. Can't wait to do some archery.

Sony: I guess I found this conference the most uninteresting, they seemed to focus a lot on the PSP and my colleague and I started cracking jokes about Sixaxis PS2 controllers and all these great PS2 games they would launch, and it just got out of hand. Uncharted 2, however, was simply stunning and I might just have to get that game to stare at the skybox. Maybe I'll dig out a beta voucher after all, because good lord. I think the only thing Sony could do to make me shit my pants at an E3 is, like, announce the remaking of the PSX-era Final Fantasy games with modern hardware. Yeah, I'd definitely need a diaper for that.

[OverNineThousand89]

Huh. I wonder how much more the zelda world will expand? Another light(er?) world to go with the shadow world from twilight princess? Or do you think this is the as-of-yet-unchanged Light World. Or a different local light world, not yet affected by Ganon's stuff, based off of a new world location? Or, you know, it could be something totally different. Anyhoo, I'm excited!

My bet is we'll actually get to go to the Sacred Realm. As opposed to only being allowed in the Chamber of Sages.

[EVILNess]

My bet is we'll actually get to go to the Sacred Realm. As opposed to only being allowed in the Chamber of Sages.

But they did that in A Link to the Past.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

But they did that in A Link to the Past.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the original name of the Dark World called the Golden Land?

I always assumed the Sacred Realm was heaven or something.

[Squall Leonhart]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the original name of the Dark World called the Golden Land?

I always assumed the Sacred Realm was heaven or something.The Sacred Realm is the Golden Land. (http://www.zeldawiki.org/Sacred_Realm#A_Link_to_the_Past)

[...]The Dark World in A Link to the Past that Link explores during this adventure is actually called the Sacred Realm. The Essence of Triforce told him how Ganon had created the Dark World and told Link to touch the Triforce and wish for what he wanted.[...]

[Krylo]

As long as there's an option to flip him for the Southpaws I can't be too massively offended on their behalf.

There won't be, though, because Miyamoto has got some sort of special sort of mental retardation that makes him think flipping just the main character is harder than FLIPPING THE ENTIRE WORLD.

See Twilight Princess. Rather than just mirror Link for right handed players on the Wii they mirrored the entire world. Because this was somehow easier.

[Regulus Tera]

Eight minutes of SIN AND PUNISHMENT 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZD9HnyUx60&fmt=18).

A Golden Sun DS Preview:

What's the game about? As the sequel to the fan-favorite Game Boy Advance RPG series, Golden Sun DS is about bringing a classic into the present. Gone are the rubbery, shuddering Camelot-style sprites, replaced with crisp cel-shaded 3D graphics reminiscent of Matrix's DS RPGs. (Which is perhaps fitting, given the two developers' common heritage.) Gone also are buttons: from the tiny snippet of gameplay available on the show floor, Golden Sun looks to be heading in a stylus-only direction.

Y'know, Golden Sun's soundtrack really is very underrated. I love this track from the game... it's the part where they... PLAY GOLF!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMieOEGfzg&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1OK5Sfkmcw&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDG9B4NmA4w&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHpqOG9MMc&fmt=18

[Mirai Gen]

Y'know, Golden Sun's soundtrack really is very underrated.
So covering this next week on the podcast.

Man I need to start Golden Sun again, friggen rad series.

[mudah.swf]

Cel-shaded? Really? Looked just like FF4 DS to me. On the world map I could sort of see it but battles didn't seem to have any cel-shading.

Also, I heard NSMB2 is going to have thae feature Nintendo talked about a long time ago where you can actually let the game complete particularly difficult sections for you. I don't see any real harm in it but it'll undoubtedly recieve some hate.

[Yumil]

There won't be, though, because Miyamoto has got some sort of special sort of mental retardation that makes him think flipping just the main character is harder than FLIPPING THE ENTIRE WORLD.

See Twilight Princess. Rather than just mirror Link for right handed players on the Wii they mirrored the entire world. Because this was somehow easier.

Because it is easier. You see, they fully render it exactly the same on both version, just the wii then mirrors the output, making it a quick hack(course they had to mirror input as well).

With the character, to make it right they'd probably have to remodel and reanimate him.

[Regulus Tera]

So covering this next week on the podcast.

Man I need to start Golden Sun again, friggen rad series.

In all seriousness you guys should play Mario Tennis Advance and Mario Golf Advance. They remind me so much of Golden Sun it borders on self-plagiarism.

Oh, for the Pokéfreaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC0sdNB0SvI&fmt=18):

http://img.techpowerup.org/090607/pokewalk_01.png

You can upload a Pokémon into the Pokéwalker. Once there, it'll accrue experience and happiness based on the number of steps you take with it. It will be included with HeartGold & SoulSilver.

Let me upload eggs and I'm in.

[01d55]

Does that girl have some kind of fingertip cancer?

[El Mullet]

You can upload a Pokémon into the Pokéwalker. Once there, it'll accrue experience and happiness based on the number of steps you take with it. It will be included with HeartGold & SoulSilver.

Let me upload eggs and I'm in.

Genius. Pure genius. It's Sonic Adventure and Chao VMU games all over again.

At least it'll be better than Pokemon Pikachu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon_Pikachu).

[Azisien]

Sorry to detract from the Nintendo chatter for even a brief moment, but it had to be done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQe4tlsfRbY

[Mirai Gen]

Sorry to detract from the Nintendo chatter for even a brief moment, but it had to be done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQe4tlsfRbY

HAHAHAHAHhahahahahah oh man, best way to get to Valve; be funny.

[Marc v4.0]

Sorry to detract from the Nintendo chatter for even a brief moment, but it had to be done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQe4tlsfRbY

haha, oh wow..that's just...a whole movement to boycott? Haha..so damn sad it's almost circled from sad to funny back to sad again. Anyone involved in this should be ashamed of themselves.

[Mirai Gen]

I know it seems silly but maybe you should read what they believe and why (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott) before you call them 'sad'.

[Marc v4.0]

I know it seems silly but maybe you should read what they believe and why (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott) before you call them 'sad'.




Ok, I did. It's still sad. It's sad they take it to such extremes, and still say the people who willingly involve themselves in this should feel bad for doing it.

I love L4D, I've played it many times and so have my friends, we really enjoy it and it's a great product. We're looking forward to L4d2 for the same reasons. To us, these people are pulling a huge dick move, and if they actually harm the sales enough it'll do no one any good at all.


I wonder, has Valve said that the release of L4D2 indicates they -won't- be doing -any- work at all on the first L4D?