#1139: "Okay, he's got a point."

[Kurosen]

Dun dun dunnnn?

[Meister]

But is it cunning?

[kitkalil]

Need a cunning plan? Get the media on your side. Then Onion Kid only hears what he is supposed to hear.

[Martyr]

Red Mage doesn't seem fat enough in this comic.

[UndrDog]

/walks in half asleep...

Awesome stuff. Character development, PLUS what appears to be the start of actual progression. RM's so humble though. Being all awesome and stuff. What with his plan in all. /yawn I'll post again later when I'm more awake.

EDIT: RM is trim dude. Check out his character sheet.

[Moogleking]

Shock and alarm!

[Magaroja]

Huh, Black Mage powered down. Curious...

Also, I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit I did not see Sarda's point [re: his younger self witnessing a LW-free world] coming as confirmation of his "knowing" of future events. I wonder now how much OK/Young Sarda will witness of his older self, thus rounding out the time loop for all of his existence.

[Super King]

It's weird seeing RM not bragging about how amazing his plans are. Hesitating to initiate a "brilliant" plan? That's just not like him. Maybe he'll use Fighter to break Sarda's mind again?
Edit: Also, I do not understand Sarda's point at all.

[Link_991]

I'm guessing his plan is actually amazing and logical but because he's RM he thinks it terrible

[Si Civa]

I just don't know how to respond this one.

But I still really hope that they don't plan kill themselves.

[Masam]

Wait. So Sarda knows his younger self grows up in a world not terrorized by the four. And he says none of it comes to pass. So if the world isn't terrorized, and is a good place, wouldn't fighter survive, because he makes the world a better place? Or couldn't he do that in the first place to make SURE there are actually good, and Competent advenurers?

[Meister]

This could also mean that Sarda loses and Fighter's plan turns out to be the most effective. e: ^ kind of like that.

[david_in_perth]

I thought Sarda said he was able to see through all time (I figured using his awesome most-powerful-wizard-in-existence powers). And now it turns out that he was just using his memory?
Wow, talk about hype.

All of a sudden there I can once again imagine them actually surviving this.

EDIT: And by hype, I meant - Wow, Sarda is such a bullshit artist.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Also, I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit I did not see Sarda's point [re: his younger self witnessing a LW-free world] coming as confirmation of his "knowing" of future events. I wonder now how much OK/Young Sarda will witness of his older self, thus rounding out the time loop for all of his existence.
Sarda's past (before the billion years of isolation and shit) is the LW's future. So Sarda knows everything the OK is going to experience before the OK goes back in time, hence he knows what the OK will know. The OK lives in the world of the future.

Basically, because the OK will never hear anything about the LWs ever again, Sarda assumes that the LWs won't accomplish anything they wanted to accomplish.

EDIT:
So if the world isn't terrorized, and is a good place, wouldn't fighter survive, because he makes the world a better place?
Maybe, but not necessarily. Just because the world isn't terrorized doesn't mean that good people don't die.

[UndrDog]

WARNING: This post is segmented horribly and is mostly an tribute to RM.

From the LW point of view, it's entirely possible, though unlikely, that Sarda is lying about knowing they fail. I mean wouldn't you in his situation?

But anyway, RM is going to rock this thing. There are four things that had a chance to defeat Sarda from the readers' view point.

BM's Insane physical power. - Failed.
Fighter becoming the true hero that he is and miraculously defeating Sarda.
RM coming up with a plan so ingenious that Sarda is defeated.
Sarda screwing himself over somehow.

Those are the only four scenarios I see with Sarda biting the big one.

My personal hope? RM does attain his place in godhood. Wherein he creates a world that shows OK/Sarda what he wants to see. But I suppose this is being a little selfish on RM's part.

But in all honesty, I was hoping for a more humble future for RM. Like using his infinite knowledge to write a tome, or better yet! reinstituting the school of red magery. This time however his infinite knowledge will allow for a more cost effective method of teaching.

[krogothwolf]

....But in all honesty, I was hoping for a more humble future for RM. Like using his infinite knowledge to write a tome, or better yet! reinstituting the school of red magery. This time however his infinite knowledge will allow for a more cost effective method of teaching.

So practice on street urchins first?

Also, What if thief some how steals Sarda's power or memory or something. He does have insane thief abilities.

I want a school taught by fighter. Then that would mean a World of Sword-chuk using adventures!

[tacticslion]

Basically, because the OK will never hear anything about the LWs ever again, Sarda assumes that the LWs won't accomplish anything they wanted to accomplish.

By which, of course, you mean the LW's, not LK's!!!! Dun, dun, duuuuunnnnnnn!

That's (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2006/01/24/episode-652-solidarity/) what (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2006/01/21/episode-651-thief-of-time/) I said, you moron (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/05/23/episode-1131-turnabout-isnt-fair-play/).

No it was-...

LWs

Darn you! And your reality warping powers, too!

[Si Civa]

But in all honesty, I was hoping for a more humble future for RM. Like using his infinite knowledge to write a tome, or better yet! reinstituting the school of red magery. This time however his infinite knowledge will allow for a more cost effective method of teaching.

I'm going to get you excited so it hurts you more when it doesn't happen.

There's a good reason why Sarda is using red if you know what I mean.

[P-Sleazy]

My bet is on when Sarda teleported Onion Kid out of there, he actually, unbeknownst to him, teleported OK to a previous time where the light warriors didn't exist to grow up.

[Dasherion]

How did RM attain infinite knowledge again? Wasn't by gazing into the database BM was supposed to look at? In that case he only knows how to destroy anything in any way possible as I remember correctly. I guess that includes an uppity all powerful jackass wizard named Sarda.

[Ravashak]

But is it cunning?Blackadder's awesome.

I like the goals the LW set for themselves.

[krogothwolf]

Did you get to much Sugar today Tacticslion?

He is the Wizard who did It so its only natural for him to have reality warping powers.

Sarda was able to teleport arrows to come out of a fridge and then a box. You think he would screw up teleporting himself?

[Dasherion]

You think he would screw up teleporting himself?

He screwed up teleporting WM into what he believed was a harmless pocket dimension.

[dimebagdrl]

why do I get the feeling RM's plan is going to involve more "animal husbandry"? I just can't shake that feeling... that wrong disgusting feeling...

[tacticslion]

Did you get to much Sugar today Tacticslion?

No, I haven't eaten anything yet. ... Shut up! :p

why do I get the feeling RM's plan is going to involve more "animal husbandry"? I just can't shake that feeling... that wrong disgusting feeling...

And yet, it's oh, so right too.
...
Wow, that's a horrible thing to say. I think my moral decay is finally complete.

My bet is on when Sarda teleported Onion Kid out of there, he actually, unbeknownst to him, teleported OK to a previous time where the light warriors didn't exist to grow up.

This... this is rather shockingly likely. Especially if it's at Onrac where the devastation hasn't occured yet. I'm impressed.

I kind of presume that RM is about to suggest they each sacrifice what they most hold dear in order to gain the power to defeat Sarda. I don't know how much it works, however.

[acheron]

Still wonderin' where the Dark Warriors are. Last we saw Garland was when Sarda first showed up and Garland mentioned it was his temple (that Black Mage hijacked, and that the Fiends were planning to turn into a temple to unholy monster gods). We saw Drizz'l and Bikke a few strips prior to that when Drizz'l and Thief were betraying each other (Thief standing on Bikke at the time) and then the fiends showed up, and we haven't seen Vilbert since he and Lich had a chat ("as long as you unlive under my roof", etc.)

Hopefully Red Mage's plan involves them! Possibly them and animal husbandry.

[Si Civa]

No, I haven't eaten anything yet. ... Shut up! :P

So, you didn't take your pills then either. It explains alot.

And the plan now has to have these thing in it: Animal husbandry, Dark Warriors, animal husbandry, killing themselves, animal husbandry, orbs, animal husbandry, cross-dressing and probably some animal husbandry.

[Harrow]

well, if this thing is going to end soon, then Garland will soon have to become Chaos. I just can't wait to the look on BM's face when he finds out that both Garland is the most evil being in the universe and that BM has been worshipping him for most of his life. Also, remember, in the FF that this was based off of, the LW's were sent beack in time to undo a paradox that somehow made it so ALL OF THE THINGS THEY ACCOMPLISHED WERE FORGOTEN. This means two things. 1. History CAN be changes (Suck it Sarda) and 2. OK has reason to never hear of them ever again.

[tacticslion]

archeron and Si Civa: I now hate you both, forever.

For that you get:
That wiggles, squirms, and makes hissing noises.

Also:

So, you didn't take your pills then either. It explains alot.

Hey, my doctor never said I had to take those pills! Well, ok, he did, but he didn't mean it!

Edit:
well, if this thing is going to end soon, then Garland will soon have to become Chaos. I just can't wait to the look on BM's face when he finds out that both Garland is the most evil being in the universe and that BM has been worshipping him for most of his life. Also, remember, in the FF that this was based off of, the LW's were sent beack in time to undo a paradox that somehow made it so ALL OF THE THINGS THEY ACCOMPLISHED WERE FORGOTEN. This means two things. 1. History CAN be changes (Suck it Sarda) and 2. OK has reason to never hear of them ever again.

Things won't actually work that way, as Brian has indicated they wouldn't.

[Lorpius Prime]

Crazy Thought: Maybe RM's plan is to just enter a quiet, peaceful retirement. He wouldn't die, and wouldn't terrorize the world.

Of course, that'd require escaping from Sarda... somehow.

[AngelFoodBB]

It's probably too much to ask that RM enact his plan dressed as Deborah.

My guess is that as said, what he thought was present day he may have warped OK to a time where the LWs did not exist, or WM has something to do with them not being evil when this is all done, consider when she's around, none of them are really evil, even BM is toned way down.

Either that or all of this is going to end up being one of many possible futures RM is witnessing while looking in the datasphere and the comics since him looking were said hypothetical future.

[OverNineThousand89]

I like Black Mage's plan. Thief's too. Red Mage's plan is doomed to succeed. He hesitated. Y'see, all of the plans that he is 148.6% sure about usually fail to some degree. God, if he's hesitating about this one, then it must be certain to work.

Either that or that sprite-comic-making asshole just set us up for a huge massive failure the likes of which we haven't seen since Black Mage fired a Hadoken at that volcano and missed. I'm kind of leaning toward the failure.

Seriously, Black Mage is like a sprite version of Epic Fail Guy.

[Bard The 5th LW]

It would suck if Sarda made them all good (ultimate misery for BM and Thief). In this way, OK will never had seen them.

[krogothwolf]

Hey, my doctor never said I had to take those pills! Well, ok, he did, but he didn't mean it!

Maybe you should ask your wife what the doctor really meant when he said that. As she would understand it better then you would. Now go take your pills and settle down!


Things won't actually work that way, as Brian has indicated they wouldn't.

Yes cause Brain has never LIED before, or not been 100% truthful. And you can always trust creators with telling the truth about things.

I'm hoping a plan that involves the DW, Animal Husbandry and Cross-Dressing!

[Molotovich]

My bet is on when Sarda teleported Onion Kid out of there, he actually, unbeknownst to him, teleported OK to a previous time where the light warriors didn't exist to grow up.

You better be ready to pay up, according to Mr. Kurosen, OK was ported to a wizard school, right outside onrac blast radius (meaning that onrac was destroyed... by BM helldoken no less).

And BTW... isnt it funny that RM is finally becoming REALLY humble (little by little?)

[tacticslion]

ANYWAY...

krogo:
Brian - while being decietful - has never actually lied, to the best of my knowledge. So, yeah.

On an unrelated note, it's an interesting glance that BM gives Sarda in that last panel.

[UndrDog]

I'm going to get you excited so it hurts you more when it doesn't happen.

There's a good reason why Sarda is using red if you know what I mean.

Keh, Sarda's damaged goods. RM looked into the sphere and managed to pull himself back to sanity. Sarda's just a big baby.

And about Fighter teaching a school...? Do you remember what happened when Fighter was just trying to show the dragons the new thing RM taught him? Imagine what would happen if he ever tried to teach children.

[Questionmarktarius]

Of course, this will all end with the Armoire of Invincibility falling on someone.

[Si Civa]

It seems that UndrDog wasn't getting that I was implying that RM is going to lead that redmagery school where Onion kid is going to study.
Or then I really don't get why he would respond that way to it.

archeron and Si Civa: I now hate you both, forever.

I <3 u too (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=935514&postcount=52)

[justice~!]

*OH MY GOODNESS*. You are right. Red Mage is Sarda's hero and mentor!!!!

[PimpledTaintMan]

And so the Light Warriors founded the organization known as the FOX News Channel....

[krogothwolf]

It seems that UndrDog wasn't getting that I was implying that RM is going to lead that redmagery school where Onion kid is going to study.
Or then I really don't get why he would respond that way to it.


SWEET JEBUS ITS TRUE!!!!! Or it could be its washed in the blood of those he had to kill to become so powerful.

[Dracorion]

SWEET JEBUS ITS TRUE!!!!! Or it could be its washed in the blood of those he had to kill to become so powerful.

He gets touchy about someone drooling blood all over his cave but not about wearing a robe bathed in blood?

[LTGM]

How could RM be OK's teacher if OK is already at the Wizard school? Also how would Sarda NOT realize that Red Mage was his teacher? He's remembered his childhood for billions of years, I find it hard to believe he would forget Red Mage teaching him.

[krogothwolf]

He gets touchy about someone drooling blood all over his cave but not about wearing a robe bathed in blood?

He's a twisted individual.

[Si Civa]

How could RM be OK's teacher if OK is already at the Wizard school? Also how would Sarda NOT realize that Red Mage was his teacher? He's remembered his childhood for billions of years, I find it hard to believe he would forget Red Mage teaching him.

Things near Onion kid tend to destroy or maybe he went as exchange student there?
And you don't necessarily see the leader or founder of the school. Because really, RM isn't guy how would teach.
But the real scenario is, of course, that Light Warriors build this school, give tips to Onion kid in fashion he doesn't see them, and when they see that he is going to back to the beginning of universe, they start doing what they really want. All this, because Light warriors are fucking stupid.

I'm not going to say I'm right like those others because I'm not probably right but darn if my ego isn't huge enough to argue about my theories and fail about it.

[LTGM]

I'm not going to say I'm right like those others because I'm not probably right but darn if my ego isn't huge enough to argue about my theories and fail about it.

You sir are wise beyond your years...I'm assuming. Also you're theory IS cool. It would be so manipulative.

[Odjn]

Sarda has yet to mention anything regarding his own survival.

[krogothwolf]

Yeah, you'd think he'd know if he'd live or not as OK might have heard about him and such and such. You think its an all out death for all 5?

[Venath]

Random spur-of-the-moment prediction:

- Red Mage suggests sacrificing what's most important to them to summon something powerful enough to defeat Sarda to their aid. Red Mage sacrifices his seemingly-infinite knowledge (Hence his hesitation to say he has a plan), Thief sacrifices his skills as a thief/con-artist, Fighter sacrifices all the power he's gained (Which he views as important for its ability to protect), and Black Mage sacrifices himself/his evil.

- Intentionally or otherwise, they get Chaos.

- Chaos refuses to bother with Sarda, claiming that Sarda is at least partially responsible for just as much evil and chaos as the Light Warriors are, and actually considers him useful, then disappears.

- Sarda realizes that, no longer having the very things that made them so dangerous due to their attempts to stop him, they are essentially as harmless as kittens. Either due to some "turning over a new leaf" attitude or simply to laugh at them as they try to live without what they care most about, he lets the LWs go. On the chance that BM sacrificed himself (And not his evil), he becomes an agent of Chaos in the afterlife, thus preventing OK/Sarda from realizing that BM was still behind much of the evil in the world.

...But I'm probably totally off.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Sarda has yet to mention anything regarding his own survival.
Well you have to wonder, what is Sarda going to do after he kills them all?

Go off and create his own universe? Maybe have life in it?
It seems that UndrDog wasn't getting that I was implying that RM is going to lead that redmagery school where Onion kid is going to study.
Hilariously, I get where this is coming from, and it makes a lot of sense. I don't have a great deal of confidence that it's right, but I love the theory.

EDIT:
- Red Mage suggests sacrificing what's most important to them to summon something powerful enough to defeat Sarda to their aid. Red Mage sacrifices his seemingly-infinite knowledge (Hence his hesitation to say he has a plan), Thief sacrifices his skills as a thief/con-artist, Fighter sacrifices all the power he's gained (Which he views as important for its ability to protect), and Black Mage sacrifices himself/his evil.
This fits with the thing where Sarda talked to the LWs about "having to sacrifice what's closest to you for power", and I've been wondering where that is going to come in.

[Silk]

Um...


Is there a plot incoherency or am I dreaming?

Before coming to this alleged incoherency I was wondering... Didn't Red Mage read the EMPTY datasphere? Emptied from Black Mage previous reading.
How could he acquire infinite knowledge if that sph...SQUARE was empty?


As for the main incoherency, Sarda already knew everything the Light Warriors were going to do and everything they were going to say, when Onion kid wasn't around to witness those facts. Sarda also said he existed in six dimensions in time at once. If so he indeed wouldn't need Onion Kid to witness stuff in order to know what is going to happen. Meaning the last comics are incoherent?
I couldn't find the episodes again though but I had them under my eyes just a few days ago.

The possible explanation of "Sarda lied, he didn't know what he claimed to" isn't really satisfying unless it is reported either by Brian or in the comic itself, otherwise it's pretty low speculation. ;)

[waw]

Hmm.. Sarda has all this magic, i bet he showed OK what else has happened, because Sarda knows what they are doing and what's going on while he isn't there.

And yes, at this point, Sarda doesn't know, in my opinion, what's going to happen. Why wouldn't Sarda get to the beginning of the universe to stop it all and stop White Mage?

I actually think RM's planshould work.

[Sliths]

Oh please, if there's any chance of the light warriors succeeding here, it's going to be by accident or circumstance.

[Dracorion]

The possible explanation of "Sarda lied, he didn't know what he claimed to" isn't really satisfying unless it is reported either by Brian or in the comic itself, otherwise it's pretty low speculation. ;)

Less satisfying than implying that Brian didn't plan this out from the beginning? If he did, and we know he did, the most logical explanation is that Sarda was, in fact, lying.

Before coming to this alleged incoherency I was wondering... Didn't Red Mage read the EMPTY datasphere? Emptied from Black Mage previous reading.
How could he acquire infinite knowledge if that sph...SQUARE was empty?

Black Mage didn't empty it when he glanced at it. Red Mage was looking, dare I say reading, intently and that's what emptied the datasphere.

[kh3lgar]

As for the main incoherency, Sarda already knew everything the Light Warriors were going to do and everything they were going to say, when Onion kid wasn't around to witness those facts. Sarda also said he existed in six dimensions in time at once. If so he indeed wouldn't need Onion Kid to witness stuff in order to know what is going to happen. Meaning the last comics are incoherent?
I couldn't find the episodes again though but I had them under my eyes just a few days ago.


I don't get why everyone finds this satisfactory and logical.

One minute Sarda gets pre-bored (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/01/20/episode-1084-eloquence/) of stuff from the future(notice how he says future, and not past, which implies he can see the future, and doesn't remember his past as onion kid), he openly states he knows what people are going to say because he exists in six directions in time simultaneously (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2008/04/22/episode-982-forward-backward-spiraled-sideways-looped-and-cross-wise/) which are forward, backward, spiraled, sideways, looped, and cross-wise, and now suddenly he admits himself he can't see the future.

Even if that were true and he was lying up until now, why did he suddenly stop lying? Did he get bored?

I'm guessing it's either there's something not revealed yet, or Brian just doesn't give a damn.

I am inclined towards the latter.

[Silk]

That would be possible Waw, but it's still random speculation until it gets addressed in the comic or by Brian, unless someone points us to another comic that proves these concerns wrong.

[HisshouBuraiken]

Once again, I submit my theory of Astos-style pun-murder. Thief let Fighter do it this time.


Fighter: Brehehehem.

Fighter: IT SARDA IMAGINE HOW HARD WE'RE GONNA KICK YOUR ASS!

Fighter has his arms up. Pause for 3 panels. Sarda explodes.

[Uchiha Richard]

Sarda kills the LWs, then simply dies of ludicrously old age... The end.

[Nezz]

Random off the wall theory time again kids! RM will find a way to send the party forward in time to when Sarda sends himself back to four seconds after the beginning of the Universe, thus negating all advantage Sarda may have. Aside from the Demi-God thing.

[Nuklear Waste]

Still wonderin' where the Dark Warriors are. Last we saw Garland was when Sarda first showed up and Garland mentioned it was his temple (that Black Mage hijacked, and that the Fiends were planning to turn into a temple to unholy monster gods). We saw Drizz'l and Bikke a few strips prior to that when Drizz'l and Thief were betraying each other (Thief standing on Bikke at the time) and then the fiends showed up, and we haven't seen Vilbert since he and Lich had a chat ("as long as you unlive under my roof", etc.)

Hopefully Red Mage's plan involves them! Possibly them and animal husbandry.
If you look carefully, you can see Drizz'l and Bikke in 1119 (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/04/21/episode-1119-talk-amongst-yourselves/). (Drizz'l is between Kary and Lich and Bike is between Ur and Kary.)

[malakite]

You know, the last time I was in a time-loopy thing like that in an rpg, the solution turned out to be "make the prophecy look like it came true to the time traveller". O'course, then the villain walked out from behind the illusion used for that purpose and gave the little fake congratulations clap.

[Tyrenas]

The possible explanation of "Sarda lied, he didn't know what he claimed to" isn't really satisfying unless it is reported either by Brian or in the comic itself, otherwise it's pretty low speculation.
Well, it's not explicit, but evidence that he lied and only knew what Onion Kid saw is already there. (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/01/27/episode-1087-exalted-feat/)

[UndrDog]

It seems that UndrDog wasn't getting that I was implying that RM is going to lead that redmagery school where Onion kid is going to study.
Or then I really don't get why he would respond that way to it.

I...I'm sorry! I'm still plagued by thoughts of "RM = Sarda". What you say is awesome. A future/past instance of RM, is head of the school! RM uses OK to make Sarda send RM on a tour of experience duty so he may start up the wizardry school so he can teach Ok to make Sarda send RM on a tour of experience duty so he may start up the wizardry school so he can teach OK to make Sarda send RM on a tour of experience duty so he may start up the wizardry school so he can teach OK... wait, what was the question?

[Scars Unseen]

Could be that you can't look into the future, but can look into the past. Then Young Sarda could have looked into everything that the LWs did while training up to be the Wizard That Did It. This theory has a bit of a hole in it, since if he did this he would know that he was predestined to fail at rewriting the universe, but then he might just think that he can change the future/past, not yet having experienced the billions of years of failure to teach him that what happens, happens.

Or he might just not be able to see his future self when looking into the past. That would make for some awkward(and boring) listening. All he would see is the Light Warriors having half a conversation with a jackass he could see/hear.

[Athas]

I don't get why everyone finds this satisfactory and logical.

One minute Sarda gets pre-bored (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/01/20/episode-1084-eloquence/) of stuff from the future(notice how he says future, and not past, which implies he can see the future, and doesn't remember his past as onion kid), he openly states he knows what people are going to say because he exists in six directions in time simultaneously (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2008/04/22/episode-982-forward-backward-spiraled-sideways-looped-and-cross-wise/) which are forward, backward, spiraled, sideways, looped, and cross-wise, and now suddenly he admits himself he can't see the future.

Even if that were true and he was lying up until now, why did he suddenly stop lying? Did he get bored?




I couldn't agree more

[Tiako]

I like how the LWs at least have the decency to be embarrassed.

[rpgdemon]

I kind of presume that RM is about to suggest they each sacrifice what they most hold dear in order to gain the power to defeat Sarda. I don't know how much it works, however.

Prehaps they have to sacrifice their goals of the future, giving them the power they were promised?

[UndrDog]

Prehaps they have to sacrifice their goals of the future, giving them the power they were promised?

I hope they start by chopping off Thief's hands. At which point they can realize that the other three aspirations are a little tougher to handle with a knife. Sans double murder suicide.

[Silk]

Adding onto Kh3lgar's post; just before saying he exists in 6 direction in time, Sarda affirms that he already knows what the LW are going to say. At that moment, Onion Kid hasn't met him yet. He is out there, on the other side of the planet (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2008/04/08/episode-976-he-has-one-for-every-occasion/)

So Tyrenas your link doesn't seem to be enough to be fully satisfactory. Maybe future episodes will reveal new stuff that fixes our issue...

[Tyrenas]

Sarda does not, however, make reference to anything that the Light Warriors will say in the future. He simply claims to be pre-bored from things, or tired of listening to it again and again. While I admit I haven't re-read the archives recently, my recollection is that Sarda very rarely evidences actual foresight in such a specific and short-term manner as would suggest that he has knowledge of a range of time.

This implies, at least from my perspective, that he could easily (and likely) be lying about it, likely simply to make himself appear even more powerful and unconquerable, in turn to feed this feeling of insignificance he evidently wishes to instill in the Light Warriors. Aside from expressing his general disgust for their everpresent desire for a payoff.

[tshadowdrag]

The three words you don't want to hear from Red Mage...I guess the LWs are screwed huh?

Isn't anyone else concerned that saturday MIGHT be the final comic? If you were paying attention to the searchable archives, Brian only went up to 1140 for the series...he could pull a Clevinger again at any time. Since saturday is the end of the week, does this mean it's going to be over? I'm putting a call on this now.

[Heresy488]

Red Mage is so awesome.

For the first time, he has a plan? So awesome....

[Dracorion]

Red Mage is so awesome.

For the first time, he has a plan? So awesome....

He's had a lot of plans before. It's just that most of them didn't work.

Though, it should be noted that Red Mage is responsible for the first deaths of the first three Fiends. When it all seems bleak for the Light Warriors, he's the guy that pulls success out of his hat.

[Nuklear Waste]

Red Mage is so awesome.

For the first time, he has a plan? So awesome....
I read it as that the first time, but then I read it as "for the first time in my brilliant career, I hesitate to say this", not "I have a plan for the first time in my brilliant career".

[Neni]

Red Mages plan is to surrender and lead ordinary lifes.

Red Mages is becoming a dancer in a homosexual-bar, Thief is becoming a ladies-man, Fighter is becoming a traveling adventurer again and Black Mage has a nervous breakdown because of not being able to tryanize the world and ends up in coma in a hospital led by White Mage.

THE END!

[Panthera]

My personal solution to the "how does Sarda get pre-bored if he's just using OK's memories?" quandary is simple; it's the whole time loop of "the future has already happened" again. Just like how Sarda only became the uber sage because he already was the uber sage who sent OK to mage school, I would imagine that Sarda would have simply told Onion Kid about his past dealings with the Light Warriors/Other Warriors; he knows he went into those meetings with awareness of what they would do, so he can use his memory of those events to tell OK of them, thus planting the very memories that allowed him to predict things in the first place. Granted it's also plausible that Sarda has been hyping himself up to mock everyone (it's not like the Light Warriors can prove him wrong so he might as well tell them he's beyond time), but for anything he really did know, he could always just have told himself about it.

Anyway. Red Mage's plan. I figure that he intends, after defeating Sarda in some way I can't fathom, to convince the others to put off their goals until after Onion Kid travels into the past. Notice how he came up with his plan right after the talk about how Sarda knows none of their goals worked out because OK never saw sign of them; what if he wants to use Sarda's time loop against him, and trick him into thinking his victory is assured when in reality, the Light Warriors simply made sure he would never hear of them after this day?

[UndrDog]

He's had a lot of plans before. It's just that most of them didn't work.

Though, it should be noted that Red Mage is responsible for the first deaths of the first three Fiends. When it all seems bleak for the Light Warriors, he's the guy that pulls success out of his hat.

The only time RM's plans ever fail is when he puts his faith in his team.


Red Mages plan is to surrender and lead ordinary lifes.

Red Mages is becoming a dancer in a homosexual-bar, Thief is becoming a ladies-man, Fighter is becoming a traveling adventurer again and Black Mage has a nervous breakdown because of not being able to tryanize the world and ends up in coma in a hospital led by White Mage.

THE END!

I fear this is actually possible. I especially fear RM becoming a gay dancer. But seriously, comatose BM with WM as his nurse. After ten years of tending to him, WM starts to sympathize with him until finally convincing herself that she was in love with him the whole time. So quiet and innocent in his coma after all. Then after ten years he wakes up and immediately hits on WM. Which puts WM into a coma. Sigh, I've gone off on another tangent.


I read it as that the first time, but then I read it as "for the first time in my brilliant career, I hesitate to say this", not "I have a plan for the first time in my brilliant career".

Did anyone else read this with the voice of Burt Gummer from the "Tremors" movies?

[Wyr]

Red Mage: "Ok, here's the plan. After we kill this guy, we change our names!"
Black Mage: "I call dibs on 'Death Incarnate'"
Fighter: "Awww, he called dibs..."
Thief: "I'll get the fake IDs ready."



Thus, Red Mage becomes Crimson, Mage of Ages. Maybe goes to teach magic at the magic academy, and thus be in position to give OK a magical blindspot to use as a future weakness. Maybe his crotch? BM has to use that Goblin Kick for something. Fighter becomes Warrior. And does his hero thing. Or blindly follows BM's bidding out of stupidity and friendship. Speaking of, BM, now known as Death Incarnate (Dweeb Incarnate by the others) will go take over a small kingdom that nobody cares about. Possibly Latvia, where nobody would make fun of his pants. And Thief, now known as 'Theif (Totally not Thief)' will forge documents saying his Father is actually dead. Because nothing is more Elvish then stealing your father's crown.

[Panthera]

Did anyone else read this with the voice of Burt Gummer from the "Tremors" movies?

...Damn it. No, I didn't, but now that you bring it up I can't help it.

[Sam878]

Random spur-of-the-moment prediction:

- ... Thief sacrifices his skills as a thief/con-artist, ...


If that actually happens, I wonder if that's the point at which Past Thief steals his class change from the future.

[Raphaël Lafarge]

Oh, that's a cunning trick.

You see, the whole Sarda thing was here to prevent Black Mage of continue his awful destruction. He will be forced to stay quite because that is the price of his life and of Sarda's death.

[Martyr]

I think I got it!

Sarda is all powerful, and he just wished the LWs "Good Luck!"

I think the tables are turning.

[Dracorion]

The only time RM's plans ever fail is when he puts his faith in his team.

His plan to remove Lich's soul from the Earth Orb relied solely on Thief.

[tacticslion]

Possibly Latvia, where nobody would make fun of his pants.

Hey! Latvia's awesome! It's like a slightly cleaner Lithuania*!

Nonetheless, I'm seriously curious if the K'air** thing will play into this at all. Whether it means putting off their dreams, or sacrificing them altogether, I don't know.

One other thing that occurs to me. White Mage suggested "Nothing good can come of this" to the universe when Light burst forth into existance. What did light ultimately create: shadows by bouncing off of matter. And BM is of the shadows and darkness. So light inadvertantly created BM... or something. I don't necessarily hold this (and even if it's true, I wouldn't say "I called it!") but I find it an interesting idea, as the Light itself generally seems to be good whereas Dark seems to be evil. One other possibility is that the darkness is chaotic, and thus has the potential for real good, whereas the light (embodying order) simply holds all that is non-good (including neutrality), and so seems good only by comparison to the rampant evil that has (chaotically) arisen from darkness. Or something, I dunno.

*Don't get me wrong. I love Lithuania, it's a beautiful country. I just know this because, I lived in it for most of the 90's and have multiple times visited Latvia.

**link possibly later, if someone else doesn't provide it and I feel like it and it's still relevant. It exists earlier in this thread, anyway.

[deimon]

they kill sarda, use thiefs influnce to have ninjas find OK and over time replace media and teachers

the 'new' teachers teach him alot of dumb parlor tricks and also all the things he hased used on the LW and slowly drill it into his head that hes 'so powerful' and sends him back in time to his death

and because of the fake media the LW can do what ever they want

....and RM may be teaching there as debora

the end

[timemonkey]

Perhaps Red Mage's plan is killing themselves to appease Sarda and then waiting for White Mage to heal them since she still believes it's their destiny to save the world.

Also, I had a thought about the orbs, what if they really are pointless? What if he only made the show of setting them on the pedistals to show his younger selves that they need to be gathered so he'll send the Light Warriors to get them?

Or maybe they'll all get smashed at once and do....something.

[Shadow Bunny]

If you were paying attention to the searchable archives, Brian only went up to 1140 for the series...

What are you talking about?

[Ti-Phil]

I do wonder what Red Mage's plan is... especially since he has infinite knowledge.

[Kurosen]

What are you talking about?
I would also like to know what he's talking about.

[Mike McC]

I *think* it's referring to your request for help from the forums to script comics to build the text search for the archive (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=34158). He seems to fail to comprehend why you would not ask for help to script a group of comics not made yet, and still a couple months away.

[Fenris]

So, Brian, what's it like having every little action you do interpreted 17 different and 13 alike ways?

[Orestes]

Wait.

RM can mimic once any power he sees used, right?

The original Final Fantasy story has the LW going back into the past themselves, right?

RM just witnessed Sarda sending someone back in time, right ...?

[tacticslion]

RM just witnessed Sarda sending someone back in time, right ...?

Nope. Only to Onrac. And, to be fair, that's a hole. Who'd want to go there willingly?

[Fenris]

Nope. Only to Onrac. And, to be fair, that's a hole. Who'd want to go there willingly?
Where was it stated that OK went to Onrac?

[Mike McC]

Misinterpretation. OK was sent to Wizard's School in the same strip Onrac was redestroyed. But still, no time travel.

And we learned Sarda's skills work in a very specific way. If Mimiced, Red Mage would... send Onion Kid to wizard's school.

[Fenris]

Misinterpretation. OK was sent to Wizard's School in the same strip Onrac was redestroyed. But still, no time travel.

(Psst, that's what I was pointing out.)

[tacticslion]

Where was it stated that OK went to Onrac?

Misinterpretation. OK was sent to Wizard's School in the same strip Onrac was redestroyed. But still, no time travel.

And we learned Sarda's skills work in a very specific way. If Mimiced, Red Mage would... send Onion Kid to wizard's school.

(Psst, that's what I was pointing out.)

I actually got it from:

You get bonus points. In the original draft, instead of the mom and the daughter, we just saw Onrac exploding in the background. And in the foreground was Li'l Sarda walking up to the steps of a building labeled "Onrac Magical University" with "Beyond Blast Range Valley Campus" in small letters.

Though that doesn't truly mean it's in Onrac, I didn't misenterpret the scene itself!

[Molotovich]

I would also like to know what he's talking about.

:fighter:2012 the apocalypse... according to mayans, because their calendar ends in that year... specifically December 12th 2012... Apparently their archives didnt allowed more days beyond that.

I also wish I knew what is he talking about

And... Red mage is becoming humble... or finally decided to listen to the ordeal he had.

[Dracorion]

Personally, I think Brian should start updating daily so that the comic ends on strip 2012, in the year 2012. Presumably in whatever date the Mayans say the world will end.

[lackofsense]

:fighter:2012 the apocalypse... according to mayans, because their calendar ends in that year... specifically December 12th 2012... Apparently their archives didnt allowed more days beyond that.

I also wish what is he talking about

And... Red mage is becoming humble... or finally decided to listen to the ordeal he had.

actually December 22nd 2012

It seems more likely that the Mayan calendar is like most calenders in that it is the representation of a cycle and not ending with the world.

[tacticslion]

actually December 22nd 2012

It seems more likely that the Mayan calendar is like most calenders in that it is the representation of a cycle and not ending with the world.

That lacks all sense completel!!!!11!1!one!111one1!! ;)

[Fenris]

Topic. Yonder hill.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Red Mage: "Ok, here's the plan. After we kill this guy, we change our names!"
Black Mage: "I call dibs on 'Death Incarnate'"
Fighter: "Awww, he called dibs..."
Thief: "I'll get the fake IDs ready."



Thus, Red Mage becomes Crimson, Mage of Ages. Maybe goes to teach magic at the magic academy, and thus be in position to give OK a magical blindspot to use as a future weakness. Maybe his crotch? BM has to use that Goblin Kick for something. Fighter becomes Warrior. And does his hero thing. Or blindly follows BM's bidding out of stupidity and friendship. Speaking of, BM, now known as Death Incarnate (Dweeb Incarnate by the others) will go take over a small kingdom that nobody cares about. Possibly Latvia, where nobody would make fun of his pants. And Thief, now known as 'Theif (Totally not Thief)' will forge documents saying his Father is actually dead. Because nothing is more Elvish then stealing your father's crown.

I like this idea, although there are two flaws.

1. Red Mage isn't that clever, datasphere or not.
2. Things will NEVER end that well for BM.




Topic. Yonder hill.

shut up

[Grognor]

Once again, I submit my theory of Astos-style pun-murder. Thief let Fighter do it this time.

Fighter: IT SARDA IMAGINE HOW HARD WE'RE GONNA KICK YOUR ASS!

Fighter has his arms up. Pause for 3 panels. Sarda explodes.
Post of the year! I couldn't stop laughing!

Well, we know Sarda's going to die now. We also know that Red Mage will be responsible for it.

The only question at this point is "how does it all happen?"

And don't say I could possibly be wrong, because there's no chance of that whatsoever.

Two words: animal husb Called. It.

[Meister]

shut up
I have to assume you mean Fenris and not Wyr, in which case: what the hell? You don't get to tell a mod to shut up when he's trying to moderate a thread. Never do this again.

[Fenris]

shut up

I can only assume that was directed at me, as Wyr didn't actually say that.

I mean shit, lipping off to people who can banish you from whatever plane of existence you're currently idioting around in seems to be a trend with you. I can see why Sarda would simply unmake you.

So yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.

[Yosarian]

The Dark Warriors are somehow going to help here, I think.

Remember how fighter's avatar told him they would "have a part to play"?

[entrando2]

I hope RM plan isn't to crionize themselves until Onion Kid warps in time and wait for somebody to defreeze them... he did it already!

[StrikerBlast]

Going off of what has been seen and said to this point, and assuming Sarda is not lying (about things he actually knows), there is still no guarantee he wins. If a future Sarda (from this point) does meet up with OK, that only proves survival, not victory. If OK never hears of the LWs again (except maybe from a Sarda), that only proves that OK never hears of the LWs again (the LWs were somehow prevented from doing anything notable, or OK was brainwashed, or any number of things), not their defeat against Sarda.

So, Sarda either knows more that he's letting on [probable], knows less than he thinks, or has been lying about key facts.

[Molotovich]

I can only assume that was directed at me, as Wyr didn't actually say that.

I mean shit, lipping off to people who can banish you from whatever plane of existence you're currently idioting around in seems to be a trend with you. I can see why Sarda would simply unmake you.

So yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.

Why you people keep making statements about a character that never existed? I mean, if brian really wanted a character like that THAT bad, it should have appeared around the 100th comic, or lost in the background somewhere.

actually December 22nd 2012

It seems more likely that the Mayan calendar is like most calenders in that it is the representation of a cycle and not ending with the world.

about the calendar, I believe tactics' crack pipe effects haven't worn completely off (and I still didnt knew what that other guy was talking about :sweatdrop)
And, I live relatively close to where the Mayans used to live, and probably you are right... the end of a cycle, however, the calendar considers A LOT of end cycles (namely years and in powers of 20), And I guess I didnt'n mentioned they calculated most major solar eclipses up to that very same year (they were critically acclaimed for that one). I presume they ran out of stone slab and we have yet to find the mayan calendar part two to SSPH.

And back to the comic, the more I see it, Undrdog may be right, the plan consists on giving up what they care most (or at least pretend they do)

[Super King]

It's time for my own crazy theory. In this comic (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2005/05/24/episode-554-fashion-advice/), he states that he used the last of his magic energies to go back to the beginning of the universe to put his plan into motion. Perhaps RM's plan does work, and just before they deliver the finishing blow, Sarda magics himself to the beginning of time.

[Meister]

Don't think so, the Sarda from the beginning of time is a younger Sarda, i.e. a grown up Onion Kid.

[Link_991]

actually December 22nd 2012

It seems more likely that the Mayan calendar is like most calenders in that it is the representation of a cycle and not ending with the world.

It is actually the end of a solar cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle) IIRC

The Mayans loved astronomy, why are we talking about 2012 anyway?

[Kurosen]

I haven't read all these posts, but I have noted a theme of people flipping out about the incongruity between Sarda's "six directions at once" and the latest comic.

Nothing Sarda says in this comic implies that he doesn't know exactly what's going to happen. It's in the tone that he uses when he has previously spoken about knowing the future or being pre-bored of the present. Only in this case, rather than being vague about it, he adds the absolute fact that the Light Warriors are never heard from again.

Not sure what the hubbub is all about.

[Fifthfiend]

Don't think so, the Sarda from the beginning of time is a younger Sarda, i.e. a grown up Onion Kid.

But. BUT!

What if Red Mage blasts Sarda back in time, knocking off his facial hair, and disrupting his memory so that he believes the speeches he told about the Onion Kid's past are actually his own memories about his own past, when in reality they are not because Sarda is a time-displaced Ouroboros who was never the Onion Kid at all!!!!!!!!

[Kurosen]

Ep 1140, here we come!

[Fifthfiend]

Ep 1140, here we come!

But what if you're just saying that when actually your plan all along has been to get to episode 1139 and then start numbering the comic negatively in reverse!!!!!!

[Si Civa]

Ep 1140, here we come!

Way to start new 434 Brian. It's gotta be so very mysterious if you say that you started to do it.

Also: oh snap!

[Molotovich]

It is actually the end of a solar cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle) IIRC

The Mayans loved astronomy, why are we talking about 2012 anyway?

Its the end of a Solar Cycle, then what? go back to square 1?, and in case you are wondering why the mayans and their calendar, here's because:


Isn't anyone else concerned that saturday MIGHT be the final comic? If you were paying attention to the searchable archives, Brian only went up to 1140 for the series...

I kinda tried to make an analogy to try to explain that logic... but I guess that's beyond the point now

[Waspinator]

You know, the last time I was in a time-loopy thing like that in an rpg, the solution turned out to be "make the prophecy look like it came true to the time traveller". O'course, then the villain walked out from behind the illusion used for that purpose and gave the little fake congratulations clap.

That is a good point. If in fact Sarda's knowledge from the future is only from his experiences before he goes back to the start of time, then all they have to do is hide until that point and they can defeat Sarda despite his knowledge that they are not heard of by the outside world after this battle.

You know, the big mistake Sarda is making is telling them all this instead of just blasting them. What's the point of having knowledge obtained via time travel and using it to get an advantage if you blab that knowledge to your enemies?

[Cati]

I haven't read all these posts, but I have noted a theme of people flipping out about the incongruity between Sarda's "six directions at once" and the latest comic.

Nothing Sarda says in this comic implies that he doesn't know exactly what's going to happen. It's in the tone that he uses when he has previously spoken about knowing the future or being pre-bored of the present. Only in this case, rather than being vague about it, he adds the absolute fact that the Light Warriors are never heard from again.

Not sure what the hubbub is all about.

I'm probably just being a moron, but... I don't get it. At risk of repeating of what you just said, are you saying that, for example, RM's statement last comic of "We couldn't beat old Sarda because he already knew what we'd do and how he'd counter it when he saw it all go down as Young Sarda" is technically wrong? Because OK or not, he'd still know what was going to happen?

[Mike McC]

Its the end of a Solar Cycle, then what? go back to square 1?Solar cycles are to solar systems as years are to planets.

ie., one full trip around the center of orbit (center of the Milky Way, Sun respectively).

[Sephiel]

I love Brian's failed CAPS for "As soon as we are done here?"

[Molotovich]

Ok, so back to square 1, thanks a lot for the clarification

[Lady Fire Dove]

Red Mage is so awesome.
For the first time, he has a plan? So awesome....

I read it as that the first time, but then I read it as "for the first time in my brilliant career, I hesitate to say this", not "I have a plan for the first time in my brilliant career".

I also think RM is hesitating for the first time, not having a plan for the first time ... although that's an interesting way to read it. I think he's hesitating because he doesn't like the idea of doing whatever he's about to suggest ... whether it's sacrificing their lives to defeat Sarda or simply giving up their dreams of making a major impact on the world after the Sarda fight.

(...or, who knows, something involving all of the light warriors, cross dressing, AND animal husbandry...)

(...and perhaps the Dark Warriors, and the resurected or undead Other Warriors, and the 'Real' Light Warriors, and Dragoon, and White Mage, and Akbar, and a reconstructed Warmech, and the architecture of the Temple of Fiends, and the four knifed Fiends, and Lord Chaos himself, and the four deity avatars, and, oh, maybe those four little orb thingies, too...)



Anyway. Red Mage's plan. I figure that he intends, after defeating Sarda in some way I can't fathom, to convince the others to put off their goals until after Onion Kid travels into the past. Notice how he came up with his plan right after the talk about how Sarda knows none of their goals worked out because OK never saw sign of them; what if he wants to use Sarda's time loop against him, and trick him into thinking his victory is assured when in reality, the Light Warriors simply made sure he would never hear of them after this day?

This is also an interesting theory. The question is, can you imagine the light warriors being patient?

The three words you don't want to hear from Red Mage...I guess the LWs are screwed huh?


I tried, but couldn't figure it out ... to which three words are you referring?


And about Fighter teaching a school...? Do you remember what happened when Fighter was just trying to show the dragons the new thing RM taught him? Imagine what would happen if he ever tried to teach children.

Most. horrifying. image. ever.

--

[UndrDog]

On a side note, if RM can talk Sarda into letting Fighter go, which actually seems possible, WM could set Fighter up with a job as OK's "Phys Ed" teacher!

It's all coming into place...

But nah, I'm honestly hoping for RM to explain a plan that makes perfect sense, will work, and heavily relies on Animal Husbandry as mentioned by LFD.

[tacticslion]

tactics' crack pipe

Yeah, I- ... wait, what? How is it my crack-pipe? I was the one working for D.A.R.E.!

Anyhoo, I have to wonder: does Sarda ever hear anything about himself? He hasn't mentioned it...

[krogothwolf]

Yeah, I- ... wait, what? How is it my crack-pipe? I was the one working for D.A.R.E.!

Anyhoo, I have to wonder: does Sarda ever hear anything about himself? He hasn't mentioned it...

First, thats how you got the crack-pipe. We all know why you work for D.A.R.E. Free Drugs!

Second, Why would he? It has no bearing on psyching out the LW. And it might give them hope. It's a better strategy in Psychological Warfare to make sure they know what happens to them but not mention yourself. If they know you die with them, that's a win for them. If they know nothing you lose nothing but they gain nothing. Sarda would be idiotic to tell them what happens regardless of whether he lives or not cause you don't know how the LW will take it if you tell them you live.

[Nique]

I also think RM is hesitating for the first time, not having a plan for the first time ... although that's an interesting way to read it. I think he's hesitating because he doesn't like the idea of doing whatever he's about to suggest ... whether it's sacrificing their lives to defeat Sarda or simply giving up their dreams of making a major impact on the world after the Sarda fight.


Well, the light warriors continue to live on but their adventures never actually happen in the timeline, right?

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Nope, you tacticslion, you're right... I posted this in the wrong thread. Don't know how I did it, but yeah... However, thanks for pointing me to your review Brian.

I might wait to see more on said game, but I think I'll go with the new Ghostbuster's game instead.

SWB

[tacticslion]

What's the in game story for Prototype like? Anything like the mindfreak that was Infamous?

Yeah, it looks good, but I'd like to know there more to this game than just run & gun. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I might pick up the new Ghostbuster's game before this, since the GB game comes out next week.)

SWB

Eh? Wrong thread maybe? That seems perfectly logical and satisfactory.

[Kurosen]

Probably not (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/12/figuratively-and-literally-a-monster/).

[tacticslion]

Probably not (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/12/figuratively-and-literally-a-monster/).

Apologies! I hadn't actually been to the main page! My bad!

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Apologies! I hadn't actually been to the main page! My bad!

Neither had I. Yeah, I could have just pretended I didn't make a goof of epic proportions, but you were right, I did post in the wrong thread.

SWB

[Molotovich]

Yeah, I- ... wait, what? How is it my crack-pipe? I was the one working for D.A.R.E.!

Anyhoo, I have to wonder: does Sarda ever hear anything about himself? He hasn't mentioned it...

If I say anything else I will blow your cover :cool:

And so far... I believe its time to hit the big bong in the beginning of time to create a perfectly logical and satisfactory theory for things that are about to happen to our 5 friends (yeah, im including Sarda on this one)

*Bong hit*Be back later folks

[Scars Unseen]

Ep 1140, here we come!

8-Bit Theater: Probably not heralding the end of the world since 2001. Until 2009.

[Molotovich]

*puts his doom cultist robe, begins chanting*

Brian, Brian, Brian, oh, Brian, Brian Brian.
Mighty Brian, come!
Brian, Brian, Brian, oh, Brian, Brian, Brian
Mighty Brian come!

I HEAR THE GODS!!!!!! THE END IS NIGH!!!!!11!1one!1oneone!!!

May Brian's will succeed!

*Chants Louder*

[Scars Unseen]

"Whatever that is, it better involve keeping his pants on."

[Caesarius]

Has nobody noticed the paradox yet?

Sarda became Sarda because of his immense overriding hatred of the Light Warriors. He's going to kill the Light Warriors so his younger self won't grow up in a world terrorized by them. But if his younger self isn't terrorized by them, then he can't become Sarda, hence he'd be unable to gain ultimate power and kill the Light Warriors.

[Scars Unseen]

Nope. OK has already been terrorized by the LWs. The whole having his mind broken by BM and having multiple sets of adoptive parents directly or indirectly killed by the LWs' actions has scarred the kid for life.

[Harrow]

Um...


Is there a plot incoherency or am I dreaming?

Before coming to this alleged incoherency I was wondering... Didn't Red Mage read the EMPTY datasphere? Emptied from Black Mage previous reading.
How could he acquire infinite knowledge if that sph...SQUARE was empty?


As for the main incoherency, Sarda already knew everything the Light Warriors were going to do and everything they were going to say, when Onion kid wasn't around to witness those facts. Sarda also said he existed in six dimensions in time at once. If so he indeed wouldn't need Onion Kid to witness stuff in order to know what is going to happen. Meaning the last comics are incoherent?
I couldn't find the episodes again though but I had them under my eyes just a few days ago.

The possible explanation of "Sarda lied, he didn't know what he claimed to" isn't really satisfying unless it is reported either by Brian or in the comic itself, otherwise it's pretty low speculation. ;)

Brian has already answered this many a time. THE WIZARD DID IT. and the wizard is always sarda. so, sarda refilled the data... square, changed the timeline so he only existed as himself and OK in the normal dimensions of time. well, that last part isn't brians explanation, thats mine, brian pretty much just sticks to THE WIZARD DID IT.

[lackofsense]

Black mage didn't empty the data sphere. Neither did fighter. The only one who emptied it was red mage. Red mage probably emptied it intentionally in order to keep the knowledge for himself.

[Molotovich]

RM is supposed to know all moves in the game... the question is: Which game?

2. There is no Paradox, Sarda is There, so the light warriors, for more reference check right Here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/02/episode-1135-numerology/) and Right here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/04/episode-1136-that-is-not-a-predictive-model/) right when Sarda speaks alone.

[deimon]

RM is supposed to know all moves in the game... the question is: Which game?

2. There is no Paradox, Sarda is There, so the light warriors, for more reference check right Here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/02/episode-1135-numerology/) and Right here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/04/episode-1136-that-is-not-a-predictive-model/) right when Sarda speaks alone.

now I want to see RM bust out with a limit breaker from FF7

I was thinking tho what if RM does something totally RM and... freezes everyone in a block of ice... for a few decades maybe

[Nuklear Waste]

Black mage didn't empty the data sphere. Neither did fighter. The only one who emptied it was red mage. Red mage probably emptied it intentionally in order to keep the knowledge for himself.
I think it just got emptied from Red Mage looking at it for too long. Black Mage may have absorbed some of the knowledge (which he then forgot and Fighter was too stupid to be absorb any of it), but taking a fraction of infinite knowledge still leaves you with infinite knowledge.

[wight24]

Moogls werent in FF1!

[Warrioroflightfromanother]

Moogls werent in FF1!

Neither were Chocobos but still they appear in this comic.

[EvilFuzzy9]

I like Black Mage's plan. Thief's too. Red Mage's plan is doomed to succeed. He hesitated. Y'see, all of the plans that he is 148.6% sure about usually fail to some degree. God, if he's hesitating about this one, then it must be certain to work.

Either that or that sprite-comic-making asshole just set us up for a huge massive failure the likes of which we haven't seen since Black Mage fired a Hadoken at that volcano and missed. I'm kind of leaning toward the failure.

Seriously, Black Mage is like a sprite version of Epic Fail Guy.

Naw, Black Mage is more like Al Bundy. He even sold women's shoes at one point: that cannot be a coincidence. Or maybe it is a coincidence. Who knows?

I dunno, I'm tired.