Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread!

[Token]

Man, I don't even care if that was all an illusion, they made him show an expression other than smugness. Also, Shinji.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

This really would be a fitting end for Aizen if he does get killed in the next issue. XD

[synkr0nized]

COME, KILL THEM ALL, GIN. Yesssss.

[Wigmund]

And then we find that Hanataro is the true mastermind of everything that has happened in Bleach.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Holy shit, something happened.
Until next episode when it's completely reverted.
Let's hope not.

[Token]

Captain Shota appears to have SHANKED THE FUCK out of Hinamori.
And there was much rejoicing.

EDIT: lol whoops: I typed the wrong name.

Arcanum, I'm pretty sure my source is wordfiltered, but it begins with a 4, and ends with a chan.

[CABAL49]

392 is out? I cannot find it.

[Arcanum]

Token wanna PM me where you get your releases from? 'Cause my 'totally legit source' doesn't have it yet.

[Steel Shadow]

Huh. Wow, Ichigo, you really shoulda mentioned something earlier...

[Grimpond]

Holy shit...just, holy shit

[greed]

He was probably screaming at them to stop the whole time. Aizen just didn't let the captains hear him til he wanted them to. As for why Ichigo didn't I don't know try and get Hinamori out of there himself....


Edit: Hah I just realised all three of the big shonen mangas had someone die after taking a hit through their chest this week (Hinamori, Karin from Naruto and Ace from One Piece). Shonen Jump got a new impalement happy editor or something?

[Aerozord]

cant say I'm suprised. But I am confused. I do not see a time when they could have switched. Aizen appeared and was incased in flames, then she appeared, so unless it was mid-fight or all the way back when he left soul society. Which makes less sense as Aizen was pulling off crap that Hinamori was far too weak for, plus Ichigo wouldn't have attacked her when he appeared.

however it appears that it really is that cheap, Aizen's power is perminant. If you are affected once you are affected for the rest of your life.

[Bells]

Since Hinamori was wounded, is likely that Ichigo wouldn't be paying much attention to her... so we can't really say when there was a change.

The only thing that makes sense in all of this is that Gin didn't move... which really.... that was a subtle tip that there was something going on.

[Aerozord]

Since Hinamori was wounded, is likely that Ichigo wouldn't be paying much attention to her... so we can't really say when there was a change.


yea but he was looking at Aizen, constantly.

on a related note, I dont think his power is as total as he says. No time has he ever created a duplicate of himself without some proxy being there

[Bard The 5th LW]

This chapter was confusing. So to add to the potential confusion, I will propose this theory.

the Hinamori they just stabbed weas actually Aizen, the Aizen they are about to stab is just Hinamori. Also, Ichigo is not free from Aizen's illusions, because there would be a sizable plot hole if he was.

[Ryong]

Man, you want a crazy theory?

Aizen will be an incredibly hard fight and Gin won't help him and the fight will end with Ichigo killing Aizen. At this point, Gin goes "Ah well." and reveals he was always faking his loyalty. Also: Aizen isn't as strong as he looks - everything's an illusion from his shikai. He's strong for a captain, yes, but he's no crazy take-on-everyone-else strong.

[Bells]

Or we can learn from this chapter and consider that Gin and Aizen switch places all the time .

yea but he was looking at Aizen, constantly.Indeed! So, either Ichigo is under Aizen's spell and don't know it, or He Switched in the middle of the whole brawl and things were just too fast for Ichigo to do anything (he WAS Yelling but Aizen turned that off for everyone else)

You know the movie "Scream" where there were 2 people as the actual Killer behind the mask? I think Aizen and Gin are working like that.

[Wigmund]

So, either Ichigo is under Aizen's spell and don't know it, or He Switched in the middle of the whole brawl and things were just too fast for Ichigo to do anything (he WAS Yelling but Aizen turned that off for everyone else)

I've been wondering about this.

When Ichigo first attacked Aizen after porting in, wouldn't that mean that Ichigo has seen Aizen's shikai? (Assuming Aizen's not bluffing about always having his blade in shikai mode)

[Aerozord]

its seeing it released that causes the effect, not in its released state, I think

[Sithdarth]

Yes you have to see that actual moment of release. That is why Aizen gathered up every high level soul reaper to demonstrate his fake power. He wanted them all to see the moment of release. After that he had complete control of their senses or so he says. There is probably something about his shikai release that prevents him from just releasing or he would probably have done it by now. It would be funny if it was a one time only thing and then it got stuck in shikai and all this worry about Ichigo being ruined is for nothing.

[Aerozord]

yea but he's done it on atleast two seperate occasions. Remember alot of these current high level soul reapers weren't around when he used it on Shinji back in the day. Though there might be some condition to it besides taht

[Steel Shadow]

Maybe it only works untill the next release? Would explain why he hasn't done anything to Ichigo (or we haven't seen anything happen, anyway).

Edit: No, wait, didn't read above me carefully enough. Ok, no interesting weaknesses here, back to plain ol' broken again, move along.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Wow kubo, you really are more of a bastard then I thought. eliminating all of last chapter's tension in just 1 - 2 pages.

Meh at least watching Aizen's curb stomp fest is funny to me.

EDIT: So I'm back to my theory that bleach ends with Aizen winning as a "surprise" ending.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

IN THE NEXT EPISODE OF BLEACH!!!
Aizen's mother comes to tell Aizen that supper's ready! Aizen goes home but promises his friends they can continue playing tomorrow.

Meanwhile! Tragic twist of fate!!! Ichigo is found dead with his arms missing.

The next day Aizen doesn't show up to play because he's also dead. Zombie Ichigo becomes the new villain. With laser arms.

[Donomni]

Related to the latest chapter, in a way, so spoilers. (http://i47.tinypic.com/2rw6ve1.jpg)

[Kyanbu The Legend]

That peeved me off how Ichigo waited THAT long to say something. You killed Momo Ichigo, you killed her. Not the captains, you.

[Donomni]

People are thinking that Ichigo was trying to say something before, but since Aizen can apparently hypnotize the manga itself, we didn't see his protests until that moment.

Not entirely certain, myself.

[Aerozord]

though he did seem in shock. Also possible this was just a few seconds, he might have just hesitated.

[Bells]

There are a ton of reasons for him not to have jumped in there. Short time, confusion....

But i do like to point out one glossed over point....

Super Speed was supposed to be his Bankai's Power.

[Aerozord]

Super Speed was supposed to be his Bankai's Power.

key word there. His bankai hasn't had a power since the first time we saw it

[Wigmund]

It does have a power - Ichigo gets a fine pimpcoat whenever he goes bankai.

[Locke cole]

key word there. His bankai hasn't had a power since the first time we saw it

Yeam, seriously. What's the point of giving Ichigo the least visually impressive power, then showing off how cool a compressed, extremespeed bankai can be, and then having almost his very next opponent laugh at him for having such a "minor" increase in speed?

It just makes Ichigo look even lamer.

[Bells]

At first there was an explanation for this... Clearly Ichigo is "Special" and unique. He HAS a ton of power untapped within. And he went from normal human to Captain-Level Shinigami in less than a year. While a true captain takes at least 100 years to reach that level.

So, at first his Bankai was just a "Boost" that would allow him to fight around the same level as the Captains, who STILL surpass him in power when they go all out... and that worked fine. Then, when there was enemies that would surpass him, he got the mask. With the mask, he can Fight in the same level as a Captain going All out (Which was shown as necessary to fight the stronger Espada).

Now, he has energy beyond that of a captain that he can't manage yet and a powerful new mask that he can't control yet. Once he does, he should be around The Elite level. (in this Case, probably the 0 Squad and Aizen )

The thing is... if you kill off all the fillers and the movies, Ichigo's Power Surge is steady and balanced. Silly, but consistent. Bring in the Fillers, and Ichigo becomes really... bland. Power-Wise.

[Locke cole]

Hm... That makes sense.

So basically, Ichigo's "real" power is his absolutely insane amount of spiritual power to tap (explains why Rukia was so shocked by his energy levels, despite having... you know, Byakuya for a brother), so he just keeps getting powerups to use more and more power stably.

Of course, every time this happens, Aizen shows up and goes "lol I win" and wins.

[Bells]

The thing is... if you think about it... Aizen is what Ichigo would become if he trained properly. And also evil.

Aizen has no "tricks" aside from his Zanpakuto. He is just, simply, really really freaking powerful. So he keeps outmatching people...

My guess is that whatever the reason Aizen has to be hyper strong is the same for Ichigo. Which opens a can of worms with the chance of the two of them being related.

Now, we had Hueco Mundo and Soul Society shown. Nobody showed Hell yet, but it's stabilished that it exists. My guess here is that in the next few chapters, the Zero Squad shows up and Aizen and Gin finally retreat, and from then on Hell is the next destination

We still haven't stabilished Vastro Lordes yet, so Aizen is likely to get a pretty little Army for the next Arc of the story...

[Wigmund]

The thing is... if you think about it... Aizen is what Ichigo would become if he trained properly. And also evil.

Aizen has no "tricks" aside from his Zanpakuto. He is just, simply, really really freaking powerful. So he keeps outmatching people...

My guess is that whatever the reason Aizen has to be hyper strong is the same for Ichigo. Which opens a can of worms with the chance of the two of them being related.

Now, we had Hueco Mundo and Soul Society shown. Nobody showed Hell yet, but it's stabilished that it exists. My guess here is that in the next few chapters, the Zero Squad shows up and Aizen and Gin finally retreat, and from then on Hell is the next destination

We still haven't stabilished Vastro Lordes yet, so Aizen is likely to get a pretty little Army for the next Arc of the story...

Somehow this makes me think that Aizen is actually Satan and now he has to deal with the Chosen One (Ichigo), so Aizen/Satan's gonna call in the reserves (Legions of Hell) and then they'll finally have an epic battle in Megiddo real Karakura Town where all of Ichigo's compatriots will battle the followers of Aizen and usher in a golden age.
...
...
What just happened here?

[greed]

So... apparently Wonderweiss' entire purpose was to nullify Yamamoto's shikai.

Seriously Aizen's almost anime's Batman when it comes to prep time. He'll pull out a Kenpachi repellant spray next or something.

[Donomni]

Like I said on my Twitter: shit just got real.

[Aerozord]

still he was pretty stupid, instead of a macho monologue he should have just stabbed him in the head.

[Bells]

And Hitsugaya joins the ranks of the Armless

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'm guessing Ichigo and the remaining Gotei team will focus on Wonderwuss and hold off Gin, While Yamamoto takes on Aizen.

[Aerozord]

I dont know, that would mean Bleach has a non-my stick is bigger then your's/power of friendship ending, and this is a shonen series after all

[Kyanbu The Legend]

ON other news it seems A comic book series called Incarnate was flushed out to be a plagiarized, traced version of Bleach. Nick Simmons, the creator and Gene Simmon's son (he's a KISS kid folks) is currently being checked by Viz media and Tite Kubo himself to see if it's true. And it's really looking to be true.

Will post a source in a minute...

EDIT:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-25/nick-simmons-incarnate-halted-over-alleged-bleach-plagiarism

[Bells]

ON other news it seems A comic book series called Incarnate was flushed out to be a plagiarized, traced version of Bleach. Nick Simmons, the creator and Gene Simmon's son (he's a KISS kid folks) is currently being checked by Viz media and Tite Kubo himself to see if it's true. And it's really looking to be true.

Will post a source in a minute...

EDIT:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-25/nick-simmons-incarnate-halted-over-alleged-bleach-plagiarism

That..... well, that's not only a clear ripoff, but it's also a very, very lame ripoff.... i was thinking about downloading this crap to check it out, but just these small pieces of the comparison are enough to put me away

[Kyanbu The Legend]

He clams he didn't trace or copy but... yeah the proof is there.

He's giving KISS a bad name by not admitting it.

[Aerozord]

I love how supposedly Kubo cares more about the fact he even makes comics. Course this is Tite Kubo we are talking about, KISS does play the kind of music he prefers, probably a fan of theirs

[Token]

I love how supposedly Kubo cares more about the fact he even makes comics. Course this is Tite Kubo we are talking about, KISS does play the kind of music he prefers, probably a fan of theirs

Suppose? The glorious troll posted so on his Twitter. I really wish I could hate Kubo, but the shit he does is far too epic. :shifty:

[Wigmund]

So when Old Man Genocide bones you, it's with his fists

[MasterOfMagic]

Ah, good. It would have been stupid for him to go down so quickly.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Now that was awesome.

Aizen: I'm the Aizen, I know all your moves. By the way you can't use your sword now.
Father Pimp: Fuck you Aizen, I got fists.
Aizen: Gasp
Wonderweiss: (Le Gasp)
Father Pimp: Talk to tha hand, motherfucker.

And next episode hopefully wont be
Aizen: Hahahahaha, you just killed your own doods.
Pimp Daddy: OH NO!

Sadly, that's not too unlikely. But things like that happened often enough, so maybe it's over now. A whole new kind of suspense. The screwing with your audience kind.

[greed]

A whole new kind of suspense. The screwing with your audience kind.

It's not new, Clevinger does it all the ti..... oh my god. You guys, Tite Kubo is Brian Clevinger.

Aizen is Sarda. It all makes sense now.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

It's all so painfully obvious now.
I should've seen this lightyears away.

EDIT: Wait a second. There's one thing that just doesn't match up. I don't recall any 8-Bit Theater Character ever losing an arm.

[Wigmund]

Orihime will defeat Aizen?

EDIT: Wait a second. There's one thing that just doesn't match up. I don't recall any 8-Bit Theater Character ever losing an arm.

That was put in to throw people off the trail.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Orihime will defeat Aizen?



No that would be too obvious.

Or maybe that's what he wants us to think.

[Funka Genocide]

So I've just been trying to get through the animated series (yeah I know its not the manga.) and one thing has occurred to me.

All the story arcs so far could have been one episode of Zaraki killing the shit out of whoever/whatever was making a ruckus.

Also, can anyone explain why Rukia is such a pushover after the soul society arc? Like, when everyone is running around fighting the Bounts, how come she isn't a shinigami anymore?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So I've just been trying to get through the animated series (yeah I know its not the manga.) and one thing has occurred to me.

All the story arcs so far could have been one episode of Zaraki killing the shit out of whoever/whatever was making a ruckus.

Also, can anyone explain why Rukia is such a pushover after the soul society arc? Like, when everyone is running around fighting the Bounts, how come she isn't a shinigami anymore?

Mostly Because Bount arc was filler and they wanted to have rukia get her powers back the same way she did in the manga. Besides that, anything that happens in that arc will be forgotten completely eventually (though some things remained.) It also could be because she hadn't fully gotten her powers back at that time.

[Ryong]

I'm going with everything that happened in the last chapter actually happening.

[Funka Genocide]

Can somebody pm me a totally legit source for reading this manga on the interwebs?

[MasterOfMagic]

Done and done.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Can somebody pm me a totally legit source for reading this manga on the interwebs?

Manga Fox?

[Aerozord]

if you are reading it online, its not a legit source, or atleast not a legal one

[Mesden]

google.com

[CABAL49]

Your local library. Seriously. The one back home started carrying manga.

[Arcanum]

So. Much. Epic. Awesome.

Captain Genocide is truly worthy of his name.

Oh and Aero, by "totally legit source" I think he actually meant something like "totally 'legit' source".

Besides, so long as your support the official releases in your area, which we all totally do, then there's no harm done.

[Bells]

.....where the fuck is Gin?

[greed]

Setting up his plan for betraying Aizen and becoming the main villain. Which he will enact seconds after Ichigo or whoever beats Aizen.

Or maybe he's snuck out of the barrier and is beating Ichigo's school friends for their lunch money while psychologically torturing them just for his own amusement. Gin's enough of an unpredictable dick it's kinda hard to guess.

"Oh you beat Aizen? Good for you. BTW I pretended to be a demonic-poltergeist just to terrify that kid sister of yours who can't see ghosts. Also I totally stabbed that Keigo guy. Kay BYE!"

[Aerozord]

I think the head captain just became my new favorite. He basically did to Aizen, what Aizen does to everyone. But did it in a very Kenpachi way, as in, he's just that much of a Badass

[Wigmund]

I wonder when it'll cut back to the fight between Kenpachi and Capt Flowers vs the Yam Hulk.

Also, Ichigo's wearing his mask at the beginning of the fight - doesn't that usually lead to him getting his ass kicked?

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I vote Gramps' new name is Captain Awesome from now on. He's earned it.

I just hope either Ichigo or Aizen gets stabbed next chapter.

[01d55]

I'm surprised ol' Grampa Genocide bothered to jump on the grenade. I'd have expected him to think "Oh, my actions have led to the death of thousands. It must be turn of the century."

[Locke cole]

He jumped on the grenade for the same reason he let Aizen stab him. So that when Aizen got close, he could grab him and then go "Lol Aizen, you're an idiot" and blow him up.

[Aerozord]

also the fact he was ok with killing those under his command that went in knewing they might not come back. That explosion would have been on par with a low level nuclear bomb. Hundreds of thousands of deaths would be more accurate between the blast and the inevitable fire storm it would create.

[Bells]

i would just like to point out that we haven't seen his Bankai yet....

...scary thought.

[Doc ock rokc]

i would just like to point out that we haven't seen his Bankai yet....

...scary thought.

Who
Creepy old man?
Or evil superman?

[01d55]

Who
Creepy old man?
Or evil superman?

Either. We also haven't seen the Omega Douche's.

[Aerozord]

I wanna know where Urahara and Yoruichi have been

[A Zarkin' Frood]

i would just like to point out that we haven't seen his Bankai yet....

...scary thought.

We'll see that in the next arc. In Gramps' case because he's a villainous goon then and in Aizens case because he, along with the surviving Arrancar is suddenly a good guy. Pray to whatever you believe in that I'm wrong.

[CABAL49]

We'll see that in the next arc. In Gramps' case because he's a villainous goon then and in Aizens case because he, along with the surviving Arrancar is suddenly a good guy. Pray to whatever you believe in that I'm wrong.

Aizen was the good guy all along.

[synkr0nized]

I wanna know where Urahara and Yoruichi have been

Stress is a great motivator for..




Er. They are coming up with a great plan, definitely. Mmmhmm.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I wanna know where Urahara and Yoruichi have been

I'm betting on them either.

A. In hocco mundo gathering data about the enemy while they are away.

B. Back at the shop planing an attack (as what sync said).

or

C. Sitting on the side lines acting as the last line of defense. Under the chance that Master Pwnyouasshard and the captains fail to stop evil anime superman.

[Wigmund]

Well damn Aizen, got anything else hidden up your asshole?

[Ryong]

I don't think that's the problem. I think Yamamoto's suicide without even using his bankai was the problem. But then again, Aizen DID heal instantly, so that's also a problem, I guess.

[CABAL49]

I want to know how Aizen knows so much about the Hougyoku. I mean, I am sure Urahara took some extensive notes, but damn. Also, if Urahara could create something so powerful, why didn't he make another one for the battle with Aizen, and put a safety in to destroy it afterwards? Wait, this is Aizen I am talking about, he knows everything about everything. I am sorry for that moment of stupidity.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Well that was crap.

I'm really getting close to giving up on Bleach. It's gotten to the point where even IF Aizen goes down. It's still going to some how suck in the end.

[Sithdarth]

So big shocker everything was planned to make Ichigo stronger. Didn't we know that like months ago. Enough hints were dropped.

Also, we got to see why Aizen is even more of a godmoddy bastard than usual and why Gin isn't bothering to do anything.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Aizen was the good guy all along.
From the looks of it, this is very possible. Some massive ass-pulling needs to be done but that's just normal for Bleach.

[Aerozord]

yea its not a huge suprise for us, but I'm sure alot of passive readers, as in people that dont spend hours on forums discussing it, didn't know. Yea it was hinted on alot, and it should have been. Thats what makes it good writing as opposed to some hack job. That story and plot lines are planned and not something he tosses out just for the sake of moving the plot.

There is most certainly one other thing about Aizen. He's good at manipulation and psychological warfare, planning and strategy, but those have its limits. He isn't good at thinking on his feet. Going with the assumption people will play things out like he planned. Sure he has fall back plans but he isn't very good at handling sudden changes. Compared to, lets say Urahara who goes from zero to complete understanding of your power in a few seconds, Aizen is downright slow.

[Token]

I wish the translation had said "Exactly as planned." :/

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Reading through this chapter. I'm curious as to what going to happen next. Ichigo now seems to really be apart of his grand plan. I'm curious as to what that role may be.

[Locke cole]

HOW could he have planned the start of the series? Huh?

Fishbone D was a weakling. A chump. A regular hollow operating on hunger. A random mook whose defeat doesn't even earn Rukia a single yen's worth of credit at Urahara Shoten. He was not, by any stretch of the imagination, a hollow that would have challenged Rukia under normal circumstances. Even with Ichigo's heavy spiritual pressure clouding her instincts, it was a momentary lapse in concentration, a screwup caused by Rukia's reaction to Ichigo's attempted heroic sacrifice, that lead to her getting injured and them having to try giving Ichigo soul reaper powers. It's very likely that Rukia would've just split him apart if Karin hadn't mumbled in her sleep and inspired Ichigo to do something stupid.

Now, could you please tell me how Aizen could have planned that?

[Ryong]

There is most certainly one other thing about Aizen. He's good at manipulation and psychological warfare, planning and strategy, but those have its limits. He isn't good at thinking on his feet. Going with the assumption people will play things out like he planned. Sure he has fall back plans but he isn't very good at handling sudden changes. Compared to, lets say Urahara who goes from zero to complete understanding of your power in a few seconds, Aizen is downright slow.
Clearly, we need a one of these (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpannerInTheWorks)...But who?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

HOW could he have planned the start of the series? Huh?

Fishbone D was a weakling. A chump. A regular hollow operating on hunger. A random mook whose defeat doesn't even earn Rukia a single yen's worth of credit at Urahara Shoten. He was not, by any stretch of the imagination, a hollow that would have challenged Rukia under normal circumstances. Even with Ichigo's heavy spiritual pressure clouding her instincts, it was a momentary lapse in concentration, a screwup caused by Rukia's reaction to Ichigo's attempted heroic sacrifice, that lead to her getting injured and them having to try giving Ichigo soul reaper powers. It's very likely that Rukia would've just split him apart if Karin hadn't mumbled in her sleep and inspired Ichigo to do something stupid.

Now, could you please tell me how Aizen could have planned that?

It seemed more like he knew it had happened. I'm pretty sure everything after SS arc was apart of his plan (manga wise. filler doesn't count).

[A Zarkin' Frood]

HOW could he have planned the start of the series? Huh?

Fishbone D was a weakling. A chump. A regular hollow operating on hunger. A random mook whose defeat doesn't even earn Rukia a single yen's worth of credit at Urahara Shoten. He was not, by any stretch of the imagination, a hollow that would have challenged Rukia under normal circumstances. Even with Ichigo's heavy spiritual pressure clouding her instincts, it was a momentary lapse in concentration, a screwup caused by Rukia's reaction to Ichigo's attempted heroic sacrifice, that lead to her getting injured and them having to try giving Ichigo soul reaper powers. It's very likely that Rukia would've just split him apart if Karin hadn't mumbled in her sleep and inspired Ichigo to do something stupid.

Now, could you please tell me how Aizen could have planned that?
Two reasons:
1. The Character we're speaking of is Aizen. Alias Mr. Know-It-All, alias Pullshitow Tamyass, alias Plot-twisty McPlottwist von Plottentwiststein in Great Plottwistia. Alternatively replace every instance of "plot-twist" with "ass-pull" or "ass-pull ex machina"
2. It's Bleach.

I'm kinda worried. I know this won't be the end of the series. But how ridiculously over-the-top indestructible will the next villain be? Please don't tell me it'll be Aizen again, because I'm already bored by him. Unless there's some interesting twist to him. And by that I don't mean a background sob-story.

[Aerozord]

he starts his little, all as planned, monologue after "you met Rukia" so its possible it started after he became a soul reaper. What really makes no sense is how he could have planned for Uryu. Aizen did things by manipulating soul society and hollows, but Uryu did everything on his own with absolutely no outside influence. Unless that was just a plausible excuse for him to send out a menos grande, which Rukia still found abit odd.

Of course this is Aizen we are talking about. He might just be making it all up. This would be, what, the fifth time his reveal of his plan was complete BS

[Bells]

Don't forget that by the Time Rukia went to earth the Hougyoku was laready hidden in her body by Urahara, and Aizen knew it. And he manipulated Soul Society to make Rukia go where Ichigo Was.

So... it's not completely Clusterfuck insane that he manipulated the whole thing...

Remember that Uryuu is one of the very few Quincies left, and Mayuri was experimenting on his Grandfather. So there is also a connection there as to why the paths of Ichigo and Ishida crossed early on.

This all leads to Aizen actually manipulating everything all the time or a much darker and crazy theory...

Urahara and Yoruichi are also Traitors and their parts were to make sure Ichigo moved along the Path Aizen wanted. And the weird thing is... there is actually evidence for that.

[Ryong]

Aizen is keeping on with the bullshit. Also, Isshin! The fuck he's gonna do!?

[Locke cole]

My guess? He's going to punch evil in the face.

Oh wait no, it's Isshin. What I meant is he's going to drop-kick evil in the face.

[Grimpond]

Ugh. Where does the ass-pull end and the magnificent bastard begin? or does it at all =\ "oh, since you were born."
...oh shit! So I guess this might be what urahara was doing? Helping Isshin get there?

[Aerozord]

He does bring up a good point in fighting series though. You say its an ass-pull that he planned it all, but wouldn't it be a bigger one to have this all be a coincidence.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Well I'm happy to see that isshin is going to be fighting soon. I wonder if he has a bankai?

(Forgot rather or not he was a captain before retiring)

[synkr0nized]

I don't feel like going back to check, but last I recall he was supposedly at that level. That no one really talks about him makes me skeptical, though. But hey, this is Bleach. Either you're trash-talking someone or making it up as you go. Either way, let's see some fighting and less words words words.

[Aerozord]

its just hinted at. He mentions captain level power, and has that white thing, kinda. Never specifically said. Though if he isn't captain level he wont be of much use

[Wigmund]

I wonder how Aizen could have known about Ichigo since his birth...unless...

Oh holy shit, Aizen is really Ichigo's mother in disguise!

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I wonder how Aizen could have known about Ichigo since his birth...unless...

Oh holy shit, Aizen is really Ichigo's mother in disguise!

Well now that's just creepy, very creepy.

[Wigmund]

Be honest, would you really be surprised at that revelation?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Be honest, would you really be surprised at that revelation?

No and that's why it's creepy. Because with Tite, something like that is plausible.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Ah, I see... another chapter with the trademarked character-shows-up-on-the-last-page device. I haven't seen this in a while so I was quite surprised to see someone random pop up. Hopefully this'll be good.

[Bells]

Ah, I see... another chapter with the trademarked character-shows-up-on-the-last-page device. I haven't seen this in a while so I was quite surprised to see someone random pop up. Hopefully this'll be good.

On recent years, that is being called "Pulling a Naruto".

You know... thi is somewhat just a good sum of what i like about Bleach. Aizen is kinda of "disconnected" from the Cliche of Shonen Manga and Villains. Really, it's just like he talks as a reader that sees the cliche and taunts it.

Actually, that reminds me of Atomic Robo a bit...

The worst/best is that... it's not Rubber Logic. It's solid Logic, he seems like this bigger-than-life villains who actually knows what he is doing and act like a very powerful super evil genius that had over 100 years to prepare for a master plan.

Still... even though i'm probably wrong, everything still gives me a vibe that there is a REAL chance of Urahara and Yoruichi being also part of the Bad Guys. I mean, they were right there.... pushing Ichigo along that Aizen made perfectly clear that he wanted him to follow all along.

Maybe they were trying to divert ichigo from that path (or guess it) or even break Aizen's plan without fulling knowing of it. Or maybe they were right there to Help Aizen to put Ichigo on the path he wanted.

[Locke cole]

*shudder*
If that's true, what if he's really been planning this for centuries. Like, if he does turn out to be on Aizen's side... what if they planned to use the draining gigai on Rukia from the beginning.

Aizen made the hollow that killed Kaien; what if they'd been planning that experience for Rukia, too? Grooming Rukia so that she could be the kind of person that could set off the creation of Ichigo as a soul reaper?

[Ecks]

It's not new, Clevinger does it all the ti..... oh my god. You guys, Tite Kubo is Brian Clevinger.

Aizen is Sarda. It all makes sense now.

I totally called it FOREVER AGO man.

This just in, Bleach is now the 8bit Theater of manga.

[NVash]

I'm a huge fan of Isshin, took them long enough to bring him into it. But sadly I think Tite wrote himself into a corner. He's made Aizen entirely too powerful, yet I'm interested to see how he intends to get himself out of this. Where in the World is Ishida and his dad anyway? Last I saw Isshin wasn't he with Ishida's dad? Maybe he's around there somewhere and will show up anytime now as well.

[Aerozord]

Some of it was atleast coinsidence. I mean Ichigo was born decades after Urahara was exiled.

From what Bells said, I think option 2 is more likely. Yoruichi seemed clearly concerned about the appearance of the hollow mask, and even Ichigo realized Urahara knew what was happening, and simply had no method to stop it.

Time for my crazy theory. Aizen is a specific kind of crazy. He never wanted to be the uber soul reaper, he just wanted there to be one. Which seems like Urahara's goal, just one he abandoned when he realized the dangers of it. Because right now I dont see how making Ichigo more powerful helps him

[Bells]

Counter point!

I don't recall... but it's from turn back the Pendullum, 2 Crazy (real crazy) possibilities.

1- If in no Time was Aizen and Urahara fighting alone without other people watching: I could be staged)

2- If in no time there ever was Gin and Urahara in the same place... Urahara is dead and Aizen used his Shikai to make everyone think Gin was Urahara (told'ya it was crazy).

Also, Aizen was pretty clear about not wanting to become a Hollow himself. Even though he experimented on pretty much everyone else... So, it seems Ichigo is part of a Superior Sixth race on Bleach-verse (Humans, Hollows, Shinigamis, Vaizards, Arrancar, and "Newthing")

[Ryong]

What the hell are you people on? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EpilepticTrees)

[Bells]

What the hell are you people on? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EpilepticTrees)

I just CLICKED on that link and 2 hours of my life went away ¬¬


Nah i'm just jesting. It's silly craz-talk. It's pretty much pointless to get ahead of the story in Bleach, there is still a TON of stuff Kubo needs to explain, there is really no point in trying to get ahead.

The only true theory is that i can bet more people will loose their arms.

[Mesden]

Aizen is Ichigo's uncle. Isshin is the former king who gave up his power to fall in love with a human, and this entire thing is a glorified Lion King plot for Aizen to take the throne from his "incompetent" brother.

[NVash]

That would not surprise me at all, sadly. Not a bad guess. But I heard people saying that the way Isshin talked to Ishidas dad they spoke more like brothers... until Isshin met Aizen. Maybe the three of them are all related?

[Bells]

Well, most Shinigamis don't seem to know Ichigo, but Gin reacted to his full name.

Also, there is no sign of Isshin during "Turn Back The Pendulum" and he IS a Captain.

So he is either WAY older, or a member of Squad 0

[Sithdarth]

I really hope the big reveal isn't that Aizen was so damned powerful he got bored and needed a challenge so he went about creating the most powerful being he could for entertainment/a challenge/making sure no one can possibly touch his power level.

[Aerozord]

Isshin has only been on Earth for 20 years. Long after the events in the Pendulum arc. Which confused me alot, most of them should know about him. Then again, not like they are the only Kurosaki's in Japan

On a related note, chapter when its revealed he's a soul reaper, is titled "Tell Your Children the Truth"

[Arcanum]

Did... did Isshin just kick the shit out of Aizen by flipping him off? 'Cause that was awesome.

Also, Gin finally does something! Well... not really, but soon!!

[Sithdarth]

As I see it there are two possibilities here:

1) His strength is just that stupidly high. Which I don't believe because if he were really that strong he could have obliterated anyone at anytime he wanted. Plus that is some serious control to not be walking around destroying things.

2) Its a special technique like flash step. In which case it was purposely created to require that specific motion. I don't know if that is awesome or stupid but I'm leaning toward stupidly awesome or awesomely stupid.

[Arcanum]

I'm 98% sure it was a technique, what with how he held his hand like that for a moment and how Aizen recognized it. Also, if the technique isn't name the "Fuck You Technique" then I will be slightly disappointed.

[CABAL49]

I actually kinda liked this one. Been a while for me.

[NVash]

That line Ichigo said about his father hiding all of that from him was the biggest cop out I dare say I've ever seen in an anime or manga to date. He could've let Isshin finish saying 'I'm sure you have a million questions but this isn't the time or place' and BAM back to the fight. At least we finally know where Gin was, even though I think Ichigo is insanely over his head. Better than fighting Aizen I guess. Problem is, without knowing anything about Isshin what's his motivation for fighting Aizen? Everybody there had an ax of some sort to grind with the man but here comes calm, cool and collected Isshin. Is it just to save his son or just because everyone else is doing it?

Isshin so flicked Aizen off. That was epic. I don't know if that was a technique or not, but even if it was it suits him perfectly. It's not so far fetched an idea for him to have a bunch of crazy techniques that seem to make no sense but work anyway.

I wonder if Ichigo's half Quincy? No one ever mentions Ishida anymore and I noticed on another board people spoke of a bit of brotherly comradery between his father and Isshin. Just saying.

[Locke cole]

Some people have suggested that he's part hollow; like, Masaki was some sort of perfectly human arranar, or something like that.

Would make a sort of sense, because it would explain why Aizen's after Ichigo specifically; his very birth puts him on the path to becoming the perfect hybrid he wants.

[NVash]

It makes sense but it doesn't. That'd mean his mother was a Hollow. I know Ive seen this theory debunked somewhere, I don't know if it was here or another board.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Some people have suggested that he's part hollow; like, Masaki was some sort of perfectly human arranar, or something like that.

Would make a sort of sense, because it would explain why Aizen's after Ichigo specifically; his very birth puts him on the path to becoming the perfect hybrid he wants.

It's possible and it'd explain why he's a natural born Vizard. I can defiantly see his mom being a Vasto lorde class Hollow that had chose to live on earth.

[Aerozord]

a vasto lorde, that got killed by a non-menos hollow?

maybe she wasn't human, but she definitely wasn't a hollow. Plus people could, you know, see her.

[Wigmund]

Still going with "Aizen is really Ichigo's mother"

[Kyanbu The Legend]

a vasto lorde, that got killed by a non-menos hollow?

maybe she wasn't human, but she definitely wasn't a hollow. Plus people could, you know, see her.

Only other theory I've got is that she a human with strong spiritual pressure. That and or Isshin is a Vizard.

[NVash]

Isshin has already said that he is very strong. When he killed that Hollow that killed Ichigo's mother he also said that the size of the sword had nothing to do with strength. I remember this specifically because all throughout the beginning of the series they were saying how powerful Ichigo was and his huge sword proved it. I just wanted to throw that in while I was thinking of it.

Now as for Ichigo's mother, couldn't she be a Shinigami? A little off, no basis in this theory, but what if she was a Soul Reaper too? I cant think of anything else. Even saying she was a Quincy she'd have been able to fight that Hollow right? Maybe she was just a human with strong spiritual pressure after all.

But either way, Tite has successfully made me care about Bleach again and that's saying something.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

This is a good chapter. I appreciate the comic relieve, I mean... it really is relieving in a comical kind of way.
And finally Gin does something.

[CABAL49]

Still going with "Aizen is really Ichigo's mother"

If this was any other series, I would have considered that a joke. In Bleach, it is actually possible.

[Sithdarth]

So Gin's Bankai is kinda a little lame. Not totally unexpected but not really as awesome as it could have been. What little of the fight that has occurred has been predictable as well. Oh and more ridiculous no chant hado from Aizen.

[MasterOfMagic]

At least his bankai made sense, and wasn't a terrible pun like "stinger missle" ~.~

[Kyanbu The Legend]

His Bankai is just a really fucking long sword (13km long). I like it. It's fitting for him.

Ichigo seems to be holding up well against the bastard.

[Grimpond]

His Bankai is just a really fucking long sword (13km long). I like it. It's fitting for him.

Ichigo seems to be holding up well against the bastard.

So, apparently Gin's real trick is super sonic spear thrusts. Not what I was expecting, and actually somewhat "normal" for the bleachverse. I like it.

[Aerozord]

what suprised me is when Gin said "its not the longest bankai"

[Grimpond]

what suprised me is when Gin said "its not the longest bankai"

Oh yeah, he did say that. HMMMMM.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So, apparently Gin's real trick is super sonic spear thrusts. Not what I was expecting, and actually somewhat "normal" for the bleachverse. I like it.

And rather unique while making him more terrifying then usual.

[01d55]

Probably what he was actually saying is that the important part is not the length, but the speed. Like it's still longer than anything but WHATEVER it is FASTER than everything that that's how he's gonna kill you.

[greed]

what suprised me is when Gin said "its not the longest bankai"

Well the only high level shinigami whose shikai's we haven't seen are Yoruichi, Nemu and Yachiru. Heh considering how easy she carried around Kenpachi the idea of Yachiru throwing around a zanpukto of absurd size seems kinda reasonable.

[Bells]

Well the only high level shinigami whose shikai's we haven't seen are Yoruichi, Nemu and Yachiru. Heh considering how easy she carried around Kenpachi the idea of Yachiru throwing around a zanpukto of absurd size seems kinda reasonable.

Well, if you consider the whole "Yachiru is Zaraki's Zanpakuto" or "Zaraki is Yachiru's Zanpakuto" stuff, you could take the concept of "Absurd Size" to a different level.

Also, about Gin's Bankai... a 13 Km ranged stab that goes 56.2500 feet per second, or 617,220 km/h or Actually Hypersonic speed... dude could literally stab a sonic jet in Mid Flight on top speed... that's not a "low key" power at all.

[Grimpond]

Well, if you consider the whole "Yachiru is Zaraki's Zanpakuto" or "Zaraki is Yachiru's Zanpakuto" stuff, you could take the concept of "Absurd Size" to a different level.

Also, about Gin's Bankai... a 13 Km ranged stab that goes 56.2500 feet per second, or 617,220 km/h or Actually Hypersonic speed... dude could literally stab a sonic jet in Mid Flight on top speed... that's not a "low key" power at all.

Did I give an impression of not being impressed? cuz what I meant to imply was how pants-shittingly terrifying it is.

[01d55]

Hey remember how when Ichigo first used bankai it was all about how he was fast enough to deflect all of Captain Snooty's bankai petals and make Mr. Fancy-Pants Flash Step guy think "damn that kid is fast" and then in his very next fight that all went away and it was just a generic power up that changed the color of his generic energy blast move?

Looks like it's time to bring back the "tensa zangetsu is super fast" point just long enough for it to be relevant to this fight before we all forget again and Ichigo's bankai goes back to being just as boring and generic as everything else about him.

ALSO: That Ichigo is responding to Gin's power by thinking and not by getting stabbed and then flipping out with *hidden internal will power* bodes ill for team good guys.

[Bells]

Well, "technically" Ichigo never had time to properly train his Bankai (while other captains took around 40-100 years just doing that) so they have at least an lame excuse for ichigo's bankai going from hot cakes to.. lame.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

And he can't really use his top speed without busting his body up (supposedly).

[Sithdarth]

So the Hougyoku is even more godmoddy then anyone ever dared to imagine. I'm not sure if I saw that coming or simply feared it had to happen eventually.

[Fifthfiend]

The Donomi Ending looks more plausible every week.

And he can't really use his top speed without busting his body up (supposedly).

The problem is that would be awesome if the comic actually like, used it, cause then you've got Ballin' Power (superspeed++) with built-in limitation (using it breaks his everything) so his bankai fights could be about the tension of how much he could use his badass superspeed before it broke all his arms and legs, plus it'd be a built-in reason not to abuse the fuck out of his stupid bankai so his non-bankai would still be relevant.

But nope, it's just more Generic Energy Splooge.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Urahara has finally arrived and the Hougyoku makes people desires come true. So anyone who can bond with it is god basiclly.

[Wigmund]

So, are we ever gonna see Kenpachi and Capt Prettyflowers again?

Also, what happened to the other shinigami? I can't remember anymore. Were the wounded wiped out when Grampa Stomp'em went nuclear?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Probably not. I remember reading up somewhere that on Tite's twitter page.Tite had confessed that the whole espada 0 bit was thrown in simply because the fans joked about yammy being the strongest. So I'm expecting Yammy to die off panel.

[Donomni]

The Donomi Ending looks more plausible every week.

Well, shit, now I have to post it here.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/Donomni/Ohsnap.jpg

[Aerozord]

Thats what I love about Urahara, every time he appears during a fight, first thing he does is pwn someone.

The Donomi Ending looks more plausible every week.



The problem is that would be awesome if the comic actually like, used it, cause then you've got Ballin' Power (superspeed++) with built-in limitation (using it breaks his everything) so his bankai fights could be about the tension of how much he could use his badass superspeed before it broke all his arms and legs, plus it'd be a built-in reason not to abuse the fuck out of his stupid bankai so his non-bankai would still be relevant.

But nope, it's just more Generic Energy Splooge.

This is shonen fighting manga, you get stronger as a fight goes on not weaker. Unrealistic as it is. Really he subverts it more then most of this genre. Its even how Ichigo's mask worked for most of the time he had it.

[Locke cole]

I'm pretty sure he still uses the speed boost? The problem was during his first fight with Grimmjow, he got outsped and overpowered by Grimmy, who mocked Ichigo for only getting a "meager" increase in speed from his bankai.

So it's not exactly that he never uses his bankai's ability anymore, more that it became obsolete in record time.

[01d55]

I'm pretty sure he still uses the speed boost? The problem was during his first fight with Grimmjow, he got outsped and overpowered by Grimmy, who mocked Ichigo for only getting a "meager" increase in speed from his bankai.

So it's not exactly that he never uses his bankai's ability anymore, more that it became obsolete in record time.

And then later, one of Grimmjow's peers boasted of being "The fastest Espada" and got punked by Captain Snooty.

[Locke cole]

And then later, one of Grimmjow's peers boasted of being "The fastest Espada" and got punked by Captain Snooty.

Wait, but if Bankai Ichigo > Byakuya and Byakuya > "fastest espada" > Grimmjow
.... then Ichigo should be > Grimmjow.

Whut.

[EVILNess]

Ichigo would never have won against Byakuya if he didn't do the whole "THIS IS MY BANKAI, BUT I SHALL ONLY USE ONE SINGLE SWORD TO FIGHT YOU."

[Locke cole]

...I think I can reconcile Ichigo's bankai losing out to Grimmy way back when if I say that his inner hollow was interfering badly with his ability to go fast.

But he still hasn't done much "go fast" since then...

[Aerozord]

or you can just realize that Ichigo isn't the only one getting stronger. And where is this Byakuya is fast thing coming from? Yoruichi even pointed out that by her standards he is as slow as dirt

[Sithdarth]

Byakuya is considered the fastest Captain outside of Soi Fon I believe. All that teasing Yoruichi did to him as a kid made him train like heck to get faster. I believe she even taught him some of her special flash step techniques (along with Soi Fon). Of course comparing Yoruichi to anyone in terms of speed is just unfair to begin with. Didn't she flash step halfway across Soul Society carrying Ichigo and still moved faster than anyone else?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

or you can just realize that Ichigo isn't the only one getting stronger. And where is this Byakuya is fast thing coming from? Yoruichi even pointed out that by her standards he is as slow as dirt

When he first curb stomped Ichigo in 1 second before the start of SS.

[Locke cole]

And y'know, you're talking about Yoruichi. "Flash Master" Yoruichi. Saying that a character is slower than Yoruichi means about as much as saying that a character is physically weaker than Kenpachi.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

To put it even clearer. It's like pointing out that someone is weaker then god.

[synkr0nized]

Pretty much.

While not everything is set in stone, some aspects of the characters' abilities are pretty solidly above others'.

[Kim]

Gin's bankai was very lame, in my opinion. If Urahara's bankai isn't cool enough to make up for it, I will be sorely disappointed in Bleach, which you think I'd be used to by now.

My current theory is that a few Captain level characters, like Grampa Fireball and Shortstuff, dying, plus the death of the Espada and Blindy, will be enough to make the key, which was Aizen's plan all along, because everything is always according to plan, and I don't think Kubo will let this end without showing off the King of Soul Society or whatever.

[Wigmund]

Quick question, does Aizen's magic eight ball still grant wishes to anyone nearby or is it just limited to him now?

[Donomni]

I don't think it was explained well enough to see if it was one or the other, although the next chapter might have Hat-and-Clogs point out the whole thing is BS.

Probably not though, see above pic.

[synkr0nized]

without showing off the King of Soul Society or whatever.

The king is inside each and every one of us! You just gotta believe!

[Kim]

Actually, Aizen was the King of Soul Society all along. He accidentally locked his keys inside the house, and has been too embarrassed to admit it.

[Aerozord]

it would be so anticlimatic but I want Aizen to open the gate, and like get dragged into hell or something

[synkr0nized]

He'll open the gate, see Edward Elric, exchange curious glances, and then be drug off by various hands into the blackness.

[Fifthfiend]

Wait, but if Bankai Ichigo > Byakuya and Byakuya > "fastest espada" > Grimmjow
.... then Ichigo should be > Grimmjow.

Whut.

Yet another poor sap tries to apply logic to Bleach.

[Wigmund]

Actually, Aizen was the King of Soul Society all along. He accidentally locked his keys inside the house, and has been too embarrassed to admit it.

I think we all know who the real King of Soul Society is...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5p3ywQwfWjI/R5Vvd61yGcI/AAAAAAAACwg/yMChQwNxIf8/s400/kanonji.JPG
It's obviously Don Kanonji or maybe it's Hanataro, but the King is definitely someone who's appeared to be useless throughout the series, then BAM! they show up and reveal it was all a plot to draw Aizen and his Magic Eight Ball out into the open.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Kanonji does have a rather regal appearance.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

The fact that this is bleach and the chances of Tite trolling the fan base again, makes most of these theories about Aizen and the king of soul society disturbingly probable.

[Kim]

Naw, they aren't dumb enough.

Far more likely is that Aizen isn't even there to begin with, because of his bankai or something, and that he's actually been murdering everyone in Karakura off-screen the entire battle. Wait, that's still not dumb enough.

[Wigmund]

Aizen is Kenpachi's bankai!

[Aerozord]

Aizen IS the king, this is just how he passes the time

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Naw, they aren't dumb enough.

Far more likely is that Aizen isn't even there to begin with, because of his bankai or something, and that he's actually been murdering everyone in Karakura off-screen the entire battle. Wait, that's still not dumb enough.

Aizen never existed. It was all just an illusion made by the real big bad, Kun.

That dumb enough?

[Bard The 5th LW]

I kinda like the Aizen is King theory. Has a sort of King Steve air to it, but is pulled off with some slight semblance of coherency.

[Fifthfiend]

Aizen IS the king, this is just how he passes the time

This one.

EDIT: Aizen is the king, he just doesn't know it.

He breaks into heaven, and finds himself already there, sitting on the throne.

[Sithdarth]

So help me god is Aizen can survive what is essentially his whole body exploding from the inside without breaking a sweat much less being hurt I'm going to be pissed.

[Wigmund]

He's bonded to the God Mode Ball, of course he's gonna survive and then we'll have a chapter of nothing but him being smug and monologue about how he survived thanks to the thing.

[Kim]

Plot twist: Aizen is a pinata. Candy everywhere. Next three chapters are Ichigo and Urahara fighting over Jolly Ranchers and Tootsie Pops.

[Fenris]

Oh shit yes.

and now for it to all be ruined in one week's time.

[Fifthfiend]

Oh shit yes.

and now for it to all be ruined in one week's time.

.

[Sithdarth]

He's bonded to the God Mode Ball, of course he's gonna survive and then we'll have a chapter of nothing but him being smug and monologue about how he survived thanks to the thing.

I know he has to survive that's a given. I'll just be really pissed if he does it with absolutely no visible effort.

[Wigmund]

You really shouldn't read the next chapter then Sith.

Ch 402: Oh shit, a Gambit Sue battle!

[Sithdarth]

That's specifically the one I'm talking about. There wasn't anything like I described happening in 401. Hell there wasn't even anything in 401 that would even be life threatening to a secondary character. Being shot through the torso is pretty much flesh wound level for Bleach.

[Wigmund]

Ah, I hadn't read the latest chapter until that last post.

Of course Aizen's gonna be fine. This battle is going to be nothing but one gambit going off after another until Kubo figures out how to stop the one upmanship...or Kenpachi shows up and goes "Fuck this shit! I wish I had bankai!"

And then everyone dies...and Kubo laughs at the readers who have an aneurysm over the ending.

[Kim]

We already know what Kenpachi's bankai is.

It's a motorcycle with a handle coming out of the front.

[Fifthfiend]

I kind of figure Kenpachi's bankai would just be Kenpachi's shikai except a nuclear bomb.

Like he just goes "Bankai" and you're like "that didn't do anything stop bullshitting" and he's like "'k" and swings his sword in your general direction and NUCLEAR ARMAGEDDON.

[Kim]

Kenpachi's bankai is another Kenpachi.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I always saw Kenpachi's Bankai as an all consuming Super Nova of spiritual pressure great enough to impress Yamamoto.

[Fifthfiend]

Kenpachi's bankai is another Kenpachi.

The problem with that is that if you put a Kenpachi in front of Kenpachi his immediate reaction is gonna be to try and kill Kenpachi.

And by "problem" I mean hell-ass yes.

[Sithdarth]

God forbid he ever figure out if the new Kenpachi can use Bankai. You damn well know he wouldn't be happy fighting himself one on one if he had any other option. Although the universe might implode if 3 or more Kenpachi clones got together in one place to fight.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

So... Aizen exploded
But for how long?

RELATED: Why did it take so long for this chapter to reach me?

EDIT: Wait, that wasn't so long, I just completely ignored the last page over all the Kenpachisbankailol, which bent time.

[Wigmund]

Aizen's gonna be right behind Urahara claiming he had planned for this inevitability and then try something on Hat-and-Clogs who's gonna later explain he too had planned for the planning of the plan the Aizen had planned and had a plan to deal with the plan...

The problem with that is that if you put a Kenpachi in front of Kenpachi his immediate reaction is gonna be to try and kill Kenpachi.

And by "problem" I mean hell-ass yes.

The Bleach sequel should be nothing more than a carful of Kenpachi, driven by Yachiru, that travel between worlds looking for someone to fight.

[Aerozord]

Aizen's gonna be right behind Urahara claiming he had planned for this inevitability and then try something on Hat-and-Clogs who's gonna later explain he too had planned for the planning of the plan the Aizen had planned and had a plan to deal with the plan...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/aerozord/48906_deathnote_anime_cast_500.jpg

[Donomni]

I'll get the potato chips, then.

Also, Kenpachi's Bankai is totally the rabbit from Monty Python, if only for him to go "Aw fuck my bankai suc- HOLYSHITITSEATINGAIZENSFACEFUCKYES".

[Aerozord]

This is Kenpachi, his bankai would be a small blunt sword, because thats the only reasons he'd use it. Otherwise the fights would end too quickly

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I really hope Aizen is wounded. Even though he's perfectly fine.

[Aerozord]

anyone else happy if they just ended the arc like this? where Urahara just pwn captain godmode in such an anticlimatic way.

On a related note, if that does happen it will only be to show Urahara is really a bad guy

[Kim]

Aizen is Urahara's bankai.

Urahara is the gigai guy. You think that's by chance? No. His bankai makes fake people. In fact, everyone is Urahara's bankai.

[Fifthfiend]

Aizen's bankai is Ichigo. His shikai's power is to misdirect the senses, so his bankai's power is to redirect the attention of everyone everywhere to the single least interesting or consequential thing they could possibly pay attention to.

[Sithdarth]

Goddamnit Kubo you are the bane of my very existence. I'm wonder what was up with Yoruichi, bankai or shikai maybe constructed weapons? Dammit now I got to keep reading.

[Kim]

Goddammit goddammit goddammit

Shit better get fucking AWESOME with this fight or there will be some goddamn murders

[Donomni]

Aizen is now the Aizen-Spiral.

[Wigmund]

Aizen is now the Aizen-Spiral.

Now I'm waiting for Mayuri to show up in a Shinigami-Lagann

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So it's safe to say Ultimate Form Aizen is going to curb stomp everyone now huh.

[Kim]

My latest prediction...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2l8hm68.png

Alternatively...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ex7vjo.jpg

[Aerozord]

Apparently Urahara is genre savvy too

Completely unrelated, I like Yoruichi's latest outfit

Goddamnit Kubo you are the bane of my very existence. I'm wonder what was up with Yoruichi, bankai or shikai maybe constructed weapons? Dammit now I got to keep reading.

and dont forget, her family was known as the armor makers

[Ecks]

Completely unrelated, I like Yoruichi's latest outfit.

Indeed.

[greed]

Anyone else think Super Sayajin Aizen looks kinda like when someone wears a balloon over their head? He's like a giant condom monster now.

Also what's the bet we get one more interruption when Ryuken turns up? Everyone else with power in Karakura town has had these dramtic entrances mid fight he's bound to make one sometime.

[CABAL49]

Kon shows up. Curbstomps Aizen. It's gunna happen.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Gin really doesn't seem to give a damn anymore. Aizen continues to gloat and I couldn't under stand what the hell was going on with Yoruichi bragging about her leg being undamaged. And she may have lost her Flash Queen title unless she dodged that last attack. With her it's hard to really tell since she usually moves at the very last milli second.

[Kim]

I'm kinda hoping that Vice Captain Emo is the one to take Gin down. It'd make sense for quite a few reasons, and it'd be nice to see a non-Captain take down someone Ichigo couldn't.

[Donomni]

Derp a derp:

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/056/b/b/Aizen__by_n0nb4k4.jpg

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Yet it could really go that way. In fact, Tite might have thought about it too. XD

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I'll make Tite Kubo eat his arm if this really happens.

[Bells]

I'm kinda hoping that Vice Captain Emo is the one to take Gin down. It'd make sense for quite a few reasons, and it'd be nice to see a non-Captain take down someone Ichigo couldn't.

Actually... Kira's power is the ONE that could stop Gin. My guess? He dies to protect Matsumoto, and hits Gin's sword a couple of times, making it super heavy and slow.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I actually tried to post that before, but the link wasn't working.

Totally plausible with Tite though.

[synkr0nized]

And she may have lost her Flash Queen title

You shut the Goddamned Hell up.



If former-Captain McSmugzen harms her, I will drive, ocean and all, to Kubo and punch him in the face.






I had probably better start saving up for the gas and other travel expenses and water seal my car now.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

This just came to me. What are the odds that Aizen was never there. that it was all an illusion powered by everyone's fears of just how strong he might be.

Just a decoy while he nukes Karakura Town and breaks into the SS King's Castle.

And that even Gin and Tousen were fooled by it.

[Kim]

I kinda wish there were an explanation for why Urahara and gang haven't gone bankai yet other than Kubo wills it.

Rangiku is going to get thrashed by Gin, and then Emo is gonna slow his sword enough for Bleachigo to kill him.

[Aerozord]

well Yoruichi lacks a sword, and Urahara gave the impression when he said "cant use for trainng" that its something he cant really control, and may kill everyone in the area.

[Sithdarth]

I'd imagine it's something along the lines of not wanting to rush headlong into an opponent of unknown power with everything you have in an obviously direct and easily avoidable manner. Trust me I tried that at the last Karate tournament a went to because it was my first time competing as a black belt and I nearly got my ribs shoved out my spine three times in a row. If the last few chapters have shown us anything it's that if any of them actually go Bankai it will either be as a surprise attack or a set up for a surprise attack.

[Ecks]

This just came to me. What are the odds that Aizen was never there. that it was all an illusion powered by everyone's fears of just how strong he might be.

Just a decoy while he nukes Karakura Town and breaks into the SS King's Castle.

And that even Gin and Tousen were fooled by it.

Ichigo hasn't been subjected to Kyoukasuigetsu's Kanzen Saimin release yet.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Ichigo hasn't been subjected to Kyoukasuigetsu's Kanzen Saimin release yet.

But it is possible that Kyoukasuigetsu's Bankai's ability allows it to infect it's victims (like the Arrancer in this case). Allowing anyone who comes in contact with the infected victims to fall under the effect of Kyoukasuigetsu's hypnoses along with other victims how may not even know they've been infected/effected.

It's a very loose theory to be honest. It's only base being that Aizen hasn't used his bankai yet, and that most bankais are just upgraded Shikais (Gin for example).

[Aerozord]

But it is possible that Kyoukasuigetsu's Bankai's ability allows it to infect it's victims (like the Arrancer in this case). Allowing anyone who comes in contact with the infected victims to fall under the effect of Kyoukasuigetsu's hypnoses along with other victims how may not even know they've been infected/effected.

It's a very loose theory to be honest. It's only base being that Aizen hasn't used his bankai yet, and that most bankais are just upgraded Shikais (Gin for example).

no lots aren't, soi fon's wasn't, 12th squads wasn't, tousens wasn't, ichigo's arguably isn't. Atleast enough to show that isn't the rule

[Donomni]

Minor problem, though: we, the audience, have been shown to be under it's influence.

So if Kubo decides to be really screwy, he can.

[Aerozord]

well I'm still going with "Aizen made everyone THINK he had a bankai"

[Kyanbu The Legend]

no lots aren't, soi fon's wasn't, 12th squads wasn't, tousens wasn't, ichigo's arguably isn't. Atleast enough to show that isn't the rule

Well, it has only 1 base now. XD

Though the chances of him not having a Bankai are rather high since there never was any hint that he had one.

[Kim]

Aizen has a bankai. The manga is going to have all the heroes do awesome stuff to get the advantage, it'll look like they're finally winning, and then he'll go bankai, and we'll go "Oh noes however will they get out of this dilemma?" and Kubo will go "Find out next time on Dragonball Z!"

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Of course we all know that this will happen. But Kubo knows we know this. So maybe...

I personally was under the impression that Aizen showed his Bankai to all the captains at some point. But maybe he showed them a) his shikai, I don't remember that bit too well anymore; b) his shikai faking a Bankai. I know this was brought up already, but it's not like I'm trying to enlighten you with my wisdom anyway.

[Kim]

He might not have shown off his bankai, but he definitely has one. Aizen's obsessed with having more power. A bankai is like the first, most obvious step, to getting more power.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Maybe he was just so frustrated not being able to achieve Bankai that he decided to attain great power some other way.

But yeah, I'm actually on the "He has a Bankai and will whip it out at the most predictable moment"-side.

[Lithp]

no lots aren't, soi fon's wasn't, 12th squads wasn't, tousens wasn't, ichigo's arguably isn't. Atleast enough to show that isn't the rule

Soi Fon=Someone once pointed out to me that it's basically "death in one sting."

Mayuri=It still functions on the same premise of using biological agents to fight, just on a much larger scale.

Tosen=Still messes up your senses, just on a larger scale.

Ichigo=Bigger Getsuga Tensho. Need I say more?

Ichigo hasn't been subjected to Kyoukasuigetsu's Kanzen Saimin release yet.

I'm absolutely positive that he has. Aizen's first step when confronted with any adversary is to show them his release (dirty). He can just walk around with it & nobody would know the difference. I'm willing to bet my own testicles that this "Ichigo hasn't seen Kyoka Suigetsu" plot device is just to give us a false sense of security.

I kinda wish there were an explanation for why Urahara and gang haven't gone bankai yet other than Kubo wills it.

Well, kinda like what Sith said, they seem to be attacking in waves. Also, Bankai may not be the best solution. If I could choose between superpowered sword & blast the opponent from the inside out, I'd go with the latter, too.

Alternatively, there could be an explanation that just wasn't given yet.

Rangiku is going to get thrashed by Gin, and then Emo is gonna slow his sword enough for Bleachigo to kill him.

I'm actually kind of doubting this. For one, there's the problem of Izuru actually hitting something going at 500 times the speed of sound. Two, does it really matter? All logic says that Gin shouldn't be able to swing something that long anyway. Three, would the weight restrict that ability? It's not that he's stabbing you, it's that the sword is moving itself, as far as we can tell. And, finally, does Ichigo even need help? He's doing pretty damn good with Gin as it is, depending on how much of this is just Gin toying with him.

I could be wrong, though.

[Kim]

I could be wrong, though.

Kubo likes to draw fights out. I'm betting Gin still has an ace in the hole, if for no other reason than the fangirls love him.

[Donomni]

I'm absolutely positive that he has. Aizen's first step when confronted with any adversary is to show them his release (dirty). He can just walk around with it & nobody would know the difference. I'm willing to bet my own testicles that this "Ichigo hasn't seen Kyoka Suigetsu" plot device is just to give us a false sense of security.

If that's the case, then literally everyone is under Aizen's control, and he can't lose. Ever. He'd have to let himself lose.

Kubo may be an epic troll, but I'm pretty certain that noone up top is going to allow him to have Aizen completely unbeatable.

It's Shonen manga. The hero always wins in the end.

More to the point, though, the theory going around now is that someone is only effected when they see him activate his Shikai. He's got it on 24/7, more or less. If the theory is true, then Ichigo already knows to avoid it when Aizen hits the on/off toggle.

[Ecks]

I'm absolutely positive that he has. Aizen's first step when confronted with any adversary is to show them his release (dirty). He can just walk around with it & nobody would know the difference. I'm willing to bet my own testicles that this "Ichigo hasn't seen Kyoka Suigetsu" plot device is just to give us a false sense of security.

I'm gonna take issue with this. WAY BACK A LONG TIME AGO IN A SOUL SOCIETY FAR FAR AWAY... Aizen gets found out by Unohana and Isane. Aizen explains what his sword does (in typical shounen Big Bad fashion) and Isane goes "NO WAI! SILLY AIZEN, YOU SAID YOUR SWORD DID THIS! YOU SHOWED IT TO ALL THE VICE CAPTAINS BEFORE-" and then Unohana goes "AHA! THAT'S WHEN YOU USED THE HYPNOSIS RITUAL (I believe that's the way it was translated by Viz, I dunno if it's correct, but that's the "official" translation)." And Aizen goes "YUP, WUTCHA GON' DO 'BOUT IT?" Unohana goes "nothing, we're just gonna stand here and let you escape MEANWHILE ISANE IS GONNA RAT YOU OUT TO THE WHOLE DAMN SOUL SOCIETY."

See, I'm gonna take this as a sign that in order to expose someone to the Kanzen Saimin, you have to do this complicated ritual. He gathered almost all of Soul Society's highest ranking officers together in one place JUST to make sure they all saw it. Pretty sure just whipping his sword out isn't gonna do the trick.

EDIT: and by translation, I meant the phrase "hypnosis ritual." Not the childish and immature summary that accompanied it.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'm gonna take issue with this. WAY BACK A LONG TIME AGO IN A SOUL SOCIETY FAR FAR AWAY... Aizen gets found out by Unohana and Isane. Aizen explains what his sword does (in typical shounen Big Bad fashion) and Isane goes "NO WAI! SILLY AIZEN, YOU SAID YOUR SWORD DID THIS! YOU SHOWED IT TO ALL THE VICE CAPTAINS BEFORE-" and then Unohana goes "AHA! THAT'S WHEN YOU USED THE HYPNOSIS RITUAL (I believe that's the way it was translated by Viz, I dunno if it's correct, but that's the "official" translation)." And Aizen goes "YUP, WUTCHA GON' DO 'BOUT IT?" Unohana goes "nothing, we're just gonna stand here and let you escape MEANWHILE ISANE IS GONNA RAT YOU OUT TO THE WHOLE DAMN SOUL SOCIETY."

See, I'm gonna take this as a sign that in order to expose someone to the Kanzen Saimin, you have to do this complicated ritual. He gathered almost all of Soul Society's highest ranking officers together in one place JUST to make sure they all saw it. Pretty sure just whipping his sword out isn't gonna do the trick.

EDIT: and by translation, I meant the phrase "hypnosis ritual." Not the childish and immature summary that accompanied it.

Damn I completely forgot about that. But the question is rather or not it was retconed to work on the draw. Guess we'll find out eventually.

[Lithp]

He gathered everyone together to make sure they saw it, but that doesn't prove anything. It's just a good way to do it. Get everyone at once so there are less places where the plan can be screwed up.

I know about the theory that it only works at the moment of release, but I don't buy it.

Also, Aizen having everyone under his influence would not make him invincible. It's been shown that he can't interfere with the detection of Reitsu & there may be other ways to beat the illusion. Hell, Ichigo could simply "guess & check" him. We can pick up on Aizen's habits, why can't he?

[Aerozord]

do seem to be limits he isn't big on sharing. Like how you have to look at him, or the zanpakto, and he needs some sort of double to disguise as him. He's never pretended to be somewhere he wasn't, unless someone (or his sword) was actually there

[Lithp]

I don't think he actually needs a double, but you might be right. If so, that kind of factors into the whole idea that his power can be analyzed & beaten. It would certainly be very hard, but I think Ichigo is smart enough to do it.

[Kim]

Didn't Captain Shota freeze "him" when nothing was there in the very beginning?

[Aerozord]

no that was Hinamori the whole time, atleast I assume its hard to tell when exactly he switched, but she was covered in the ice too so

[CABAL49]

Ichigo is a clone of his dad