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Bells
02-04-2011, 12:29 AM
Also, having Chad actually put out Full Sentences and posing Points over a situation was kinda like.... character growth i guess.
Locke cole
02-04-2011, 03:32 AM
Anyone else creeped out by "oh I trapped this gang member in the bear doll, and he'll eventually be trapped for good"?
Sithdarth
02-09-2011, 11:20 PM
So Ichigo's power is once again manifesting as black proving that he is an extra special emo snowflake. In other news Chad uses his skin of all things combined with racial pride to beat the shit out of supernatural beings.
Arcanum
02-09-2011, 11:26 PM
In other news Chad uses his skin of all things combined with racial pride to beat the shit out of supernatural beings.
Chad officially has the best powers ever.
Mr. "Time God Fire" is pretty neat too though. I wonder how strict he can make the rules for his timer, or the max time he can put on something, or even if the complexity of the rules has a direct effect on how long the timer lasts.
Aerozord
02-10-2011, 11:59 AM
could still be one, but that is the kanji for ban, which is also on the guard of his bankai
Kyanbu The Legend
02-10-2011, 03:39 PM
Could be a giant throwing star/boomerang.
Sithdarth
02-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Wait the Kanji for ban is a Swastika? So like the soul society is Nazi Germany? Bleach suddenly makes so much sense.
Bells
02-10-2011, 07:43 PM
Also, they said that They wanted Ichigo to have Fullbring so that he could Regain his Shinigami Powers. So this is a "first step" thing... because really, Ichigo does -not- match with a Throwing weapon...
Locke cole
02-10-2011, 09:33 PM
Wait the Kanji for ban is a Swastika? So like the soul society is Nazi Germany? Bleach suddenly makes so much sense.
It's a Manji! It's a Buddhist symbol!
Aerozord
02-10-2011, 11:27 PM
trick is the direction.
Donomni
02-11-2011, 12:15 PM
It's a Manji! It's a Buddhist symbol!
Not if the censors have anything to say about it!
Ryong
02-11-2011, 01:02 PM
Did they ever censor the guard on the Bankai, though?
Kyanbu The Legend
02-11-2011, 01:10 PM
No, they never did.
Donomni
02-11-2011, 10:14 PM
Oh, they didn't?
Well, Bleach does air on Adult Swim, so I guess they wouldn't care about any supposed Nazi symbolism.
Kyanbu The Legend
02-11-2011, 10:17 PM
And I doubt they ever will.
Speaking of the Anime. That Last fight between Ichigo and Butterfizen (Aizen for the meme impaired) turned out pretty awesome animated. (Episode just came out)
Aerozord
02-11-2011, 10:53 PM
Did they ever censor the guard on the Bankai, though?
most people dont even notice it
Sithdarth
02-11-2011, 10:53 PM
Wow they are that far in the anime already. I got busy in gradschool so I pretty much stopped watching 90% of the video type media I used to watch and got way behind. I keep up on the manga because it doesn't eat up nearly as much time.
phil_
02-17-2011, 08:48 PM
So it's a creepy looking Hadoken. Unexpected; pretty weak-sauce.
Locke cole
02-17-2011, 08:51 PM
...Swastika Break.
Why, Kubo, why?
Aerozord
02-17-2011, 08:55 PM
honestly I would have liked it more if he threw it
atleast its not a sword
...Swastika Break.
*groans* you know its comments like that that will make them do a stupid edit in the US
Kyanbu The Legend
02-17-2011, 08:57 PM
Meh I'm more or less okay with it. It's kinda neat looking.
Locke cole
02-17-2011, 09:02 PM
*groans* you know its comments like that that will make them do a stupid edit in the US Hey, I was one of the only people who was making comments mentioning that it was a manji.
Until he used the word itself in the work.
Granted, I may well be ignorant about the full meaning of it, so feel free to chew me out, I suppose.
Bells
02-17-2011, 09:02 PM
...Swastika Break.
Why, Kubo, why?
I'm still WTFing about it...
Also, it might not look like a sword but it works like his old Sword, shooting gobs of enerhy and parrying and he olds it like his old sword... so i'm calling it. It's a Sword.
Kyanbu The Legend
02-17-2011, 09:10 PM
It's Flange! Totally different.
Bells
02-17-2011, 09:15 PM
I know it's totally different! This is a fucking flange!!
http://www.pistonvalves.in/images/Steel_Flange.jpg
I have no idea why they are not calling it Sword Guard, or just Guard or "Tsuba", i'm thinking it's a translation error... but still... weird!
Kyanbu The Legend
02-17-2011, 09:19 PM
I don't know either. One of the defs for it is "a rib or rim" so I'm assuming that's what he's going for. The rib/rim of Getsuga Tensho.
Aerozord
02-17-2011, 09:37 PM
I'm still WTFing about it...
Hey, I was one of the only people who was making comments mentioning that it was a manji.
Until he used the word itself in the work.
Granted, I may well be ignorant about the full meaning of it, so feel free to chew me out, I suppose.
its just kanji for Ban. Its connection with manji is that its a symbol of death, finality. And if you remember way back to naming of the releases, bankai means final release.
phil_
02-23-2011, 10:46 PM
Tsukishima is even prettier and more stylish than Aizen! What is this?! He must be impossibly strong!
EVILNess
02-23-2011, 11:51 PM
Or secretly Aizen.
Aerozord
02-24-2011, 12:29 AM
Or secretly Aizen.
didn't you say that about the last one?
Arcanum
02-24-2011, 12:42 AM
Before they could lock Aizen away he shattered his soul and scattered the fragments. These fragments bonded with nearly everyone on Earth, thus making everyone secretly Aizen, and Aizen secretly everyone. It's just a matter of time before some event happens that awakens all of the Aizens, while simultaneously giving Ichigo the strength to fight them.
That is my prediction for this arc.
Locke cole
02-24-2011, 01:22 AM
And then it turns out that Ichigo is an incomplete Aizen clone, and when they get to the crater in the north the Aizens hypnotize him into handing over the Black Materia and what story were we talking about again?
EVILNess
02-24-2011, 09:01 AM
didn't you say that about the last one?
Everyone is secretly Aizen. All the time. In every manga ever.
Donomni
02-24-2011, 11:14 AM
And then it turns out that Ichigo is an incomplete Aizen clone, and when they get to the crater in the north the Aizens hypnotize him into handing over the Black Materia and what story were we talking about again?
Kingdom Hearts.
Kyanbu The Legend
02-27-2011, 04:54 AM
Tsukishima is obviously an Aizen fanboy. Plotting to free his idle from his imprisonment.
And it seems the badge is a communicator too. And Ichigo never noticed till now.
Aerozord
03-02-2011, 01:53 PM
*groans* I swear if she was kidnapped AGAIN
Kyanbu The Legend
03-02-2011, 03:15 PM
Wanna be Aizen said he had now interest in taking her let alone fight her. So it's likely that she's just battling him right now.
Donomni
03-03-2011, 02:26 PM
It looks like Orihime doesn't even know what Fullbring is.
Considering some of the stuff her abilities can do, it's possible she doesn't have Fullbring, but something else.
Probably not, but something to ponder.
Kyanbu The Legend
03-10-2011, 03:05 AM
New Chapter's out.
So
Our new bigbad/wannabe aizen Tsukishima's fullbring is mental based, Orihime fighting back was nice, her not getting kidnapped was wonderful, Tsukishima use to be friends with the other full bringers but left likely after finding out that they actually want to ditch their powers instead of keep them. And Orihime is still keeping secrets from ichigo whenever she get's attacked.
phil_
03-10-2011, 03:16 AM
You left out Power of Friendship. Evil~ Friendship.
Kyanbu The Legend
03-10-2011, 03:24 AM
It felt like something worth over looking.
Aerozord
03-10-2011, 11:23 AM
still do we really need another mind rape big bad?
What I liked most was Orihime wasn't hesitant to actually attack someone for a change.
Kyanbu The Legend
03-30-2011, 10:34 PM
New chapter's out.
SO the women's full bring are her cloths and boots. What a weird name for it to, "Dirty Boots" and Ichigo's training is now underway, we'll get to see more of the getsuga flenge in action... She's gonna kick the shit out him, it's obviously her power... explosive kicks.
As for Tsukishima, the center of his plans is yes, Ichigo but at least he has no interest in orihime (she won't get kiddnapped!) and it seems Chad is a target too. Oh and this is all to get back at Gouki (sp?) aka getto aizen. And is it me or does Tsukishma really feels more like a good guy then a bad guy?
Arcanum
03-30-2011, 10:53 PM
His Fullbring's power is to make people think he is their friend. Of course he's the good guy.
Karrrrrrrrrrrresche
03-31-2011, 12:17 AM
His Fullbring's power is to make people think he is their friend. Of course he's the good guy.
Yes just like Aizen was the best most friendly and smart captain ever who everyone trusted.
Aerozord
03-31-2011, 12:02 PM
thing I always liked about Ichigo is how self aware he is.
"Think of this as a battle, would you say that to an enemy?"
">_>..... yea probably"
Steel Shadow
03-31-2011, 03:43 PM
Yes just like Aizen was the best most friendly and smart captain ever
Manga's not over yet.
Kyanbu The Legend
04-03-2011, 01:17 AM
thing I always liked about Ichigo is how self aware he is.
"Think of this as a battle, would you say that to an enemy?"
">_>..... yea probably"
It's one of his best qualities.
Aerozord
04-07-2011, 02:30 AM
Oh thank Aizen, there is actually a reason for that name.
On a related note, yay for something Kisuke mentioned coming up again. Namely number of times an attack can be repeated in a row
Kyanbu The Legend
04-13-2011, 04:02 PM
New Chapter.
It seems Kubo is speeding things up now.
What with Ichigos powers suddenly returning. Oh and we learn more about tsukushima next chapter.
Aerozord
04-13-2011, 05:45 PM
or have they?
honestly though I wish just once slowing down training in a shonen series was actually a good idea
What with Ichigos powers suddenly returning. Oh and we learn more about tsukushima next chapter.
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's just his new powers mimicking his old powers, but if this means he's already just using a sword again I will be pissed.
Aerozord
04-20-2011, 02:40 PM
I doubt it needs to be said but for everyone that thought it was his fullbring acting like his normal powers, you get a cookie. No clue why he lost his ability to do projectile attacks though
Because that might have been cool.
phil_
04-20-2011, 04:13 PM
But he has a big sword again. Big ol' kitchen knife. That isn't cool?
Also, this comic needs more Riruka, but it's about time for her to be forgotten, what with the next few years of fighting starting and her having a power that isn't a sword.
Kyanbu The Legend
04-20-2011, 05:23 PM
have to admit, ichigo, that was pretty badass.
And he STILL hasn't completed it yet. XD crazy.
Donomni
04-21-2011, 10:33 AM
Wow, fullbrings are becoming "Shinigami powers, BUT WITH LIVING PERSONS!1!" at a ridiculously fast rate.
I am hoping Ichigo can manipulate his powers to a more creative degree(Green Latern-ish, I was thinking?) instead of copy/pasting his old powers, but this is Bleach, so I won't be surprised if it really only gives Ichigo a sword-arm.
Locke cole
04-21-2011, 11:25 AM
Did Chad just attack someone and not get brutalized in return? Been a while.
Also, I'm interested in Ginjou's sword. He said that Tsukishima's fullbring could cut through anything, and yet he blocked a killing blow from it without harming his own sword at all.
Kyanbu The Legend
04-21-2011, 03:05 PM
Yes, Gin might know something they don't about Tsukishima's sword "Book of The End".
Aerozord
04-21-2011, 03:33 PM
Did Chad just attack someone and not get brutalized in return? Been a while.
Also, I'm interested in Ginjou's sword. He said that Tsukishima's fullbring could cut through anything, and yet he blocked a killing blow from it without harming his own sword at all.
though Ichigo wasn't having alot of trouble doing the same
Locke cole
04-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Hm. Yeah.
What's up with that? Perhaps it can't cut other fullbrings unless he puts enough power into it?
Like how Ichigo literally couldn't cut Kenpachi until he got stronger.
Sithdarth
04-21-2011, 08:36 PM
That's exactly how shonen powers work. Remember Soi Fon and her two hit kill that was completely ineffective against Aizen because of his stupidly large amount of raw spiritual power? Same thing.
Locke cole
04-21-2011, 10:04 PM
Wait, she actually got both stings on him?
Has she ever actually performed the purported 2-sting-kill?
Sithdarth
04-21-2011, 10:53 PM
Yes and yes. She killed one of the Lieutenant Arrancar with a double sting. She stung form both sides and they hit in the middle. She also got both stings on Aizen who promptly shrugged it off, laughed, and told her that her power was too puny to ever overcome him.
Kyanbu The Legend
04-21-2011, 10:57 PM
Well Aizen did have plot armor thicker then Kimpatchi's manliness. It was doomed to fail.
Ryong
04-21-2011, 11:01 PM
Well duh, guy had a wish-granting stone with unlimited power that works as long as it thinks it's owner deserves it. Nothing but protagonist power can pierce plot armor so thick.
Fifthfiend
04-27-2011, 06:21 PM
She also got both stings on Aizen who promptly shrugged it off, laughed, and told her that her power was too puny to ever overcome him.
What?
Man I do not remember this happening at all.
If it had happened I'd think I would have remembered it because I would have been incredibly pissed off about it!
Fifthfiend
04-27-2011, 06:25 PM
Wow, fullbrings are becoming "Shinigami powers, BUT WITH LIVING PERSONS!1!" at a ridiculously fast rate.
I am hoping Ichigo can manipulate his powers to a more creative degree(Green Latern-ish, I was thinking?) instead of copy/pasting his old powers, but this is Bleach, so I won't be surprised if it really only gives Ichigo a sword-arm.
He was almost kind of interesting for a minute there when his weapon was a magic swastika.
Sithdarth
04-30-2011, 09:52 AM
What?
Man I do not remember this happening at all.
If it had happened I'd think I would have remembered it because I would have been incredibly pissed off about it!
It took like 3 seconds and happened right before he slashed all the captains and the head captain popped up to fight.
Chapter 391
She stabs him twice and says the name of the attack and then he's all like "My reiatsu is to strong for you".
phil_
05-11-2011, 08:58 PM
there is two boss bad guy maybe three i dunno lol
With that out of the way, how should we all feel about using ten years of ghosts fighting ghost fights in ghost space where no one can see them ghost fighting to make "The cops and fire department are here" almost an interesting change of pace?
EVILNess
05-11-2011, 09:56 PM
Ishida is going to be a villain. Calling it now.
Fifthfiend
05-13-2011, 11:29 PM
there is two boss bad guy maybe three i dunno lol
With that out of the way, how should we all feel about using ten years of ghosts fighting ghost fights in ghost space where no one can see them ghost fighting to make "The cops and fire department are here" almost an interesting change of pace?
What I find amazing is how after all these years, every character who isn't one of the boring-ass main characters manages to be kind of cool and interesting.
Like man can someone just make a comic about Dirty Boots and her sidekick Bratty Videogame Kid, without everything always having to go back to some boring shithead with a boring sword?
edit: and "scanner says - OHMIGOD he's a hottie!" girl? Can I just read about those three characters instead of this same dreadful blond doucheberg?
edit: yes, I totally just coined "doucheberg", YOU'RE WELCOME.
edit: oh god my brain is totally rifling back through all my old unwritten Bleach fanfics and slotting these characters in anywhere they fit.
Aerozord
05-14-2011, 12:08 AM
thing that made me smile is they atleast gave a nod to, yes you are a human with superpowers, but your still a human. True they have usual shonen characters damage resistance, but atleast they acknowledge that a human being is not fine after a 20ft drop
Ryong
05-18-2011, 05:51 PM
Latest update: Inoue is a x-potion.
Grimpond
05-18-2011, 06:01 PM
I'd call her an elixir.
Kyanbu The Legend
05-18-2011, 06:21 PM
So I guess Ichigo's either going to get his powers back now or die.
Depending on who this shinigami is and what Urahara meant by "you're taking your son's future away".
Arcanum
05-18-2011, 07:00 PM
Unless Urahara meant his future as a regular human, and they're actually preparing to help restore his powers.
Aerozord
05-26-2011, 01:52 PM
I am hoping this will make Chad and Orihime useful, though my money is on their imagined attack will come back to bite them and maybe even turn them into liabilities
Kyanbu The Legend
06-01-2011, 03:02 PM
I like the new badass medic, Orihime. XD
Explosive force field to the face! lol
EDIT: New chapter read.
Argh his eyes, ahhh I felt that just looking at it! >_<
And Orihime is just too cute! X3
phil_
06-01-2011, 08:08 PM
Riruka's reaction to Orihime's ridiculously tragic life was almost as amusing as knowing that, just off panel, their friends were fighting to the death while they ate donuts. And then Ichigo gets his butt wrecked out of nowhere because he's too busy having an internal monologue. Explicitly because he was distracted by his internal monologue.
This is the best reboot ever.
phil_
06-08-2011, 04:27 PM
Yes, Inoue, eat your hairpins!
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/9537/eatthepins.jpg
Sithdarth
06-08-2011, 04:33 PM
Little does the Kid or Orihime realize but even in that little world of his her power is completely unstoppable. Oh so this stupid box is indestructible and can't be altered in anyway. Bam never existed. Seriously why give her that ability and then never actually explore the consequences fully.
Donomni
06-08-2011, 04:41 PM
You know, just once, it'd be nice if Ichigo had a mentor/teacher-person that was, you know, actually evil and malicious, and not just some troll who seems bad but wait hes nice honest.
Little does the Kid or Orihime realize but even in that little world of his her power is completely unstoppable. Oh so this stupid box is indestructible and can't be altered in anyway. Bam never existed. Seriously why give her that ability and then never actually explore the consequences fully.
I hold out hope this will actually happen one day, but then I realize this is Bleach and I just kinda depress myself.
Ryong
06-08-2011, 04:44 PM
So, why doesn't the kid trap everyone in these boxes, again?
phil_
06-08-2011, 04:47 PM
So, why doesn't the kid trap everyone in these boxes, again?He only has so much battery power or something, i.e. because the plot demands that he not.
Ryong
06-08-2011, 04:55 PM
He only has so much battery power or something, i.e. because the plot demands that he not.
But he's charging the darn thing right now, surely there's enough energy for doing it all the time.
Aerozord
06-08-2011, 04:55 PM
its probably more a matter of resisting, power, and time. Betting he could trap someone in there, but eventually they'd just come out. It also seems to have the same drawback as Captain Calvinball, the rules apply to everyone inside. So he cant like, autokill someone
Kyanbu The Legend
06-08-2011, 06:13 PM
So now his fullbring is complete. And we are just now seeing the unbreakable cage. So its way too early to say it's unbreakable for reals.
Ryong
06-15-2011, 03:57 PM
Now I'm curious about the fullbring's name. And I dare anyone not to go DUN DUN DUN at the last page of the latest chapter.
Kyanbu The Legend
06-15-2011, 04:55 PM
New chapter's out!
Hey Ichigo guess what! Your cousin wants to kill you! :D
Always loved those reveals. X3
Oh and badass new Armor and Sword are sweet but I wonder if he's going to just name it _____ Zangetsu in honor of his old Zanpaktou? Sure feels that way.
Donomni
06-15-2011, 05:22 PM
That getup is soooo ridiculous.
It's pretty much Ninja Arrancar Ranger Ichigo. I mean, seriously, dammit Kubo.
I did think the whole surprise at the end of the chapter was nifty, since Rukia was considered a cousin while taking over Ichigo's closet(She was, right?). Awesome fake-out.
Nice use of the villain's powers.
Ichigo's outfit is so goddamned stupid, though.
phil_
06-15-2011, 05:39 PM
His sword isn't ridiculously huge! He's been wielding ridiculously huge swords since chapter two! Even his incomplete blob-sword was pretty big! What is this!? Am I shouting!?
EVILNess
06-15-2011, 05:40 PM
I am trying to decide if he will cop out and just recycle the old name, or if he will do something interesting and call it BLEACH maybe.
Aerozord
06-15-2011, 06:06 PM
Nice use of the villain's powers.
my money is on this being the reason, alternately, Ichigo really did know the guy and just forgot about him. making his weapon a kind of memory recall device
do something interesting and call it BLEACH maybe.
knowing the origin of the title I certainly hope not
Fifthfiend
06-15-2011, 06:10 PM
hahaha, power ranger ichigo is great.
Sithdarth
06-15-2011, 06:32 PM
What's with all the hate for the new getup. Frankly I think it's a refreshing change of pace for the series. Although I have a bit of a thing for armor in just about any form so there is that.
Oh and for anyone playing along at home, Ichigo now has Shinigami powers, Hollow Powers, and the Human equivalent of Hollow powers. The Shinigami and Hollow Powers together already made him captain class. I think his friends just got left in the dust power wise once again.
phil_
06-15-2011, 06:39 PM
I'm really getting more of a Rider feel than Ranger. I'm not sure why, having little knowledge of either property.
Kyanbu The Legend
06-15-2011, 07:37 PM
What!? That outfit is cool, very cool. Love that armor. But meh, to each his own.
Donomni
06-16-2011, 10:37 AM
hahaha, power ranger ichigo is great.
Only if when he strikes an enemy, a non-lethal explosion of fireworks appears, and the enemy leaps away dramatically.
Then, and only then, will I truly accept this getup.
Johnny Yong Bosch wasn't just any Power Ranger, he was the black ranger.
And Richard Epcar was one of his co-stars... whom we all know as Zangetsu.
Aerozord
06-19-2011, 02:05 AM
personally, it could be a giant banana and I'd still be ok with it since its not the exact same thing he's wore for 90% of the series. Bankai doesn't count cause its still basically the same outfit
Hey now, let's be fair, he's gotten a few costume changes... Hollowfication, Batshit Insane Hollowfication, the Mugetsu, and the fact that he's been wearing regular clothing a lot more often lately.
Kyanbu The Legend
06-22-2011, 03:40 PM
Chapter Read:
Tsukushima is fucking awesome simply because of the way he's screwing with ichigo's life! lol He got EVERYONE with his memory changing full bring. Meaning Ichigo and Ginjou (who's also unaffected) can't touch him without the others turning on them. And the way he just stacks Ichigo all over town. Priceless.
Yeah, this was pretty rad.
Fifthfiend
06-22-2011, 04:04 PM
Holy shit, Bleach did a plot twist!
And it was... kinda good?!
Holy shit, Bleach did a plot twist!
And it was... kinda good?!
I know. My mind was blown. I honestly can't recall the last time I enjoyed a Bleach chapter this much.
EVILNess
06-22-2011, 04:31 PM
Holy shit, Bleach did a plot twist!
And it was... kinda good?!
I know. My mind was blown. I honestly can't recall the last time I enjoyed a Bleach chapter this much.
That's it! That's how I felt.
Thanks for helping me to verbalize how this chapter made me feel.
It has been so long you see.
Enjoyment... huh... wow.
Sithdarth
06-22-2011, 04:33 PM
I mean it was kinda obviously coming, or at least something like it, since the one thing Kubo can do is foreshadow like nobodies business. Though I think this is the first time he's managed to foreshadow and make the reveal of the foreshadowed thing totally interesting and good.
phil_
06-22-2011, 05:21 PM
I like the part where his boss is all, "Come, rest your weary head on my motherly bosom; all is well," and then Tsukushima's all, "Nope! Party at the Eel Shop!" It's some tasty emotional whiplash that worked far better than it should have.
Poor Ichigo. It's been a long day.
Donomni
06-22-2011, 05:28 PM
I don't think I've ever seen friendship used in such an evil, evil manner.
You could say this Friendship is... Magical.
Good on you, Kubo.
Aerozord
06-22-2011, 05:40 PM
You know what this reminds me of, the first time Venom showed up in spiderman. Remember how he spent huge chunks of time doing nothing but proving "I can totally destroy your life any time I want."
More importantly, do you know why things are so bad, this is the best part. Because no one listened to Chad
EVILNess
06-22-2011, 06:01 PM
I am disappointed at you all for not mentioning the fact that Ichigo just left a hyperbolic time chamber.
phil_
06-22-2011, 06:15 PM
I am disappointed at you all for not mentioning the fact that Ichigo just left a hyperbolic time chamber.No, no, see, the great thing is, even though he just did time-accelerated special training and got a new transformation and power up, it doesn't matter! He can't bust out his new toys on a dude everyone thinks is the good guy. His time in the hyperbolic PSP was entirely useless, given the current situation.
Edit: Also, to rain on Donomni's parade, I'd like to point out where I called Power of Friendship three months ago.
Kyanbu The Legend
06-22-2011, 06:17 PM
Evilness, the out come from staying in mentioned Hyperbolic Time Chamber out weighs that though.
We're going to see what's going on with Urahara next chapter.
Calling it now.
Fifthfiend
06-22-2011, 11:46 PM
I am disappointed at you all for not mentioning the fact that Ichigo just left a hyperbolic time chamber.
It's like the second or third time he's done it.
I mean the last time it was literally, let's duck out of the ONGOING CONFRONTATION with the FINAL BOSS to spend a couple of months training, this wasn't even half as ridiculous as that.
Donomni
06-23-2011, 09:44 AM
Edit: Also, to rain on Donomni's parade, I'd like to point out where I called Power of Friendship three months ago.
Oh, you did!
You are much more remembery(That is totally a word now) than I, sir.
Aerozord
06-29-2011, 01:20 PM
actually I think he summed up this chapter rather well, it is a disturbing conversation. It shows that Ichigo is seriously messed up from all this. I never thought I'd ever see him seriously talking about straight up killing someone, and a human at that. This is the same guy that couldn't finish off Esdapda.
Though now it looks like his power is more like the opposite of Orihime's power. While she rejects things he includes them. Which really sucks cause she's like the only natural counter to this.
Then again this is Bleach, Kubo often have characters mistakenly guess enemies powers or plans
Kyanbu The Legend
06-29-2011, 03:02 PM
Well next weeks chapter will interesting indeed. Just how do you counter Tsukushima's power to insert himself into as person's past.
Also lol Tsukushima trolling timehax powers.
It'll be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out and how this arc will end in general. In theory, all Tsukishima has to do is stab Ichigo once to win. You've also got the stuff with Urahara and Ichigo's dad to consider as well. It's looking to be a short arc, but this will probably be the best arc Bleach has had, provided Kubo doesn't fuck it up in the end.
Aerozord
06-29-2011, 03:18 PM
and one way he could, in my opinion, is making it longer. I can easily see this kind of plot dragging along as he slowly does this to everyone in the world, like we see him travel to soul society or something. It will lose its dramatic punch and just be a setting peice if its not resolved in the relatively near future
Agreed. Part of its charm is its length, but I'm hoping that when the chapter said this was the site of the final battle (of this arc), it was being honest. I'm well aware of how he could fuck it up, but this is one of the few instances where I'm enjoying the arc enough to go along with it and hope for the best.
Fifthfiend
06-29-2011, 03:30 PM
provided Kubo doesn't fuck it up in the end.
The better this arc gets the more anxious I become http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/ohdear.gif http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/ohdear.gif http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/ohdear.gif
The better this arc gets the more anxious I become http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/ohdear.gif http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/ohdear.gif http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/ohdear.gif
I think my main concern right now is that Ichigo will lose his powers again and we'll be expected to take that seriously. Of all the things I can reasonably see happening given what we know thus far and how the arc seems designed, this is easily the biggest concern, and it's honestly all a matter of timing. I foresee three possibilities.
1. Ichigo has to fight off Urahara and his dad so he can keep his powers, which would be ballin'.
2. Ichigo loses his powers again, which would be dumb.
3. 1 and/or 2 happens before Ichigo defeats Tsukishima, allowing Tsukishima to escape and drawing out this arc in a way that would completely ruin everything good about it and make me want to punch Kubo and never stop punching him.
Donomni
06-29-2011, 05:17 PM
Though now it looks like his power is more like the opposite of Orihime's power. While she rejects things he includes them. Which really sucks cause she's like the only natural counter to this.
I keep thinking that Orihime might actually be resistant to his power, somehow, mostly due to how her powers work.
I will probably be proven wrong next week, but who knows!
Aerozord
06-29-2011, 05:23 PM
I keep thinking that Orihime might actually be resistant to his power, somehow, mostly due to how her powers work.
I will probably be proven wrong next week, but who knows!
you were possibly proven wrong last week when he said he was gonna call her up. Possible he screwed up or Orihime is aware of it and playing along, she is smarter then she seems, but my money is still on her being just as affected. Would be awesome if they made her power the go to anti-bookmark power
Sithdarth
06-29-2011, 06:24 PM
Psst reread chapter 453 carefully. Specifically the part where he calls Orihime. It may be nothing but there is certainly a point where it seems like Orihime doesn't know him.
Aerozord
06-29-2011, 06:27 PM
*does so* hmm you are right, at the time I just read it as Orihime's usual ditziness but you are right it might be his power not working too well on her
phil_
06-29-2011, 08:58 PM
So, do we know what the butt Tsukishima, like, wants with Ichigo? Is he just doing this because he can or what?
Maybe he's just a lonely puppy-man who needs love?
Sithdarth
07-06-2011, 01:20 PM
Nice to see Ichigo legitimately has the upper hand in terms of power for once. Even though that's probably meaningless now which is also a really nice thing to see.
Also, the arm hate continues.
Ryong
07-06-2011, 02:35 PM
Yeah but now Orihime's going to fix Tsukishima's arm so it can get sliced off again.
Aerozord
07-06-2011, 04:29 PM
well safe bet orihime was mind-raped too now. She wouldn't have shown up post amputation otherwise.
Donomni
07-06-2011, 05:47 PM
Welp, there went that idea.
The next couple of chapters are probably going to be extra-painful to read, now that Ichigo has to fight his friends.
There's a suspicious lack of Ishida in the mansion, but I honestly can't tell if he's gonna be on one side or the other at this point.
Orihime will be okay and her and Ishida will have a secret plan that involves her faking she's on Tsukishima's side until Ishida arrives, resulting in those two helping to fight everyone off as Ichigo murders Tsukishima.
Aerozord
07-06-2011, 10:58 PM
Orihime could never support a kill plan regardless of the situation
Sithdarth
07-07-2011, 11:51 AM
Couple of things:
1) As previously mentioned Orihime could just be playing along.
2) This is a Shonen Manga about friends that fight monsters. Ergo the power of true friendship is the greatest force in the Universe. That is to say even if they are brainwashed Ichigo will snap them out of it using the power of true friendship.
3) While Orihime has changed and has become less reluctant to hurt people she probably isn't going to like killing. On the same note there is no way Tsukishima was able to insert himself in her past as someone that was as important or more important than Ichigo. Essentially while she might dislike killing Tsukishima there is almost no chance she will willingly even hurt Ichigo. If she does hurt Ichigo then I'm going to have to hunt down Kubo and do something drastic.
Aerozord
07-07-2011, 12:07 PM
personally I wish someone would notice some of the paradoxes this guy has accidently created. For one thing he wasn't inserted into Ichigo's past so one could reason specific events in his past would still be unknown, especially stuff about soul society.
Other is how is he Ichigo's cousin. He might even slip up and say from his fathers side, which we know isn't possible since his Dad isn't human...
Actually does anyone here know that?
Kyanbu The Legend
07-07-2011, 08:48 PM
Didn't think about it that way. Tsukushima has altered dozens of people memories, meaning your right he may have already screwed himself up some how. Like a small detail he'll mess up on.
No I doubt anyone except Ichigo, Yuroichi, and Urahara knows about Isshin not being human.
Sithdarth
07-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Do we even know that he isn't human. I mean we know there have been other humans with shinigami powers. (Apparently enough they made a badge for them.) Its entirely possible that Isshin is essentially like Ichigo (who we know wasn't one of a kind in being human with shinigami powers) which would quite easily explain how Isshin was able to have children.
Aerozord
07-08-2011, 12:36 AM
judging by his talk with Urahara I'd say he was originally a soul reaper. It seemed to be implied he uses a gigai. As for having children, this is Urahara we are talking about, he has made an inflatable gigai, one that completely suppresses spiritual power (one Rukia was in), and one that allows user to still use all their powers (the one he is in). That last one is more inferred. While its possible he is just always in spirit form, I dont recall him ever talking to anyone that cant see soul reapers, this seems unlikely as it would be hard to run his shop otherwise. Remember he does have a legit store as a front for his black market merchandise and the inflatable gigai was him in his usual garb.
Aerozord
07-10-2011, 12:45 PM
you know what I wish, someone would have a realistic reaction to the mind blowing amount of pain of losing an arm. He doesn't even have the excuse of having a spiritual body. Yet shows no signs of discomfort
Kyanbu The Legend
07-10-2011, 12:49 PM
He's just gonna get it back in like two panels anyway. Would be a wasted display on his part.
Plus doing that would mean Ichigo actually kills him that chapter.
Aerozord
07-10-2011, 04:37 PM
He's just gonna get it back in like two panels anyway. Would be a wasted display on his part.
Plus doing that would mean Ichigo actually kills him that chapter.
It just annoys me especially in shonen series how rare people feel actual pain. An amputation combines the pain of a deep cut with that of a broken bone, not to mention massive drop in blood pressure. Being in intense pain is the best case, worst is he dies from the shock
Normally suspension of disbelief I just ignore these things, but not when in the same arc they go out of their way to point out they are fighting with normal human flesh and blood bodies. Ichigo takes a nasty fall and they take him out of the fight, this guy treats losing an arm so non-nonchalantly that he calmly quips about it.
phil_
07-10-2011, 08:59 PM
Maybe he's not human [crazy fingers]woo~~![/crazy fingers]
Sithdarth
07-12-2011, 01:59 PM
He definitely was in a lot of pain there for awhile when it happened. I think it just happened so fast he wasn't really able to process it. I mean Ichigo was moving so fast that apparently it makes flash step look slow. Judging from the fact that Tsukushima was able to beat Ishida in speed and so can move at flash step like speeds. At the very least all Fullbring users should be somewhat accustomed to flash step like speeds since it is clear they can do something like flash step. (Chad being the first example we saw of one of them using something like flash step.) Therefore his complete and utter shock at Ichigo's speed and inability to make any sort of defense implies that Ichigo's speed is on an entirely different level. Long story short Ichigo has apparently finally realized that super amazing speed boost his Bankai was supposed to give him.
I'd almost lay money that during that dust cloud that Chad created Orihime probably reattached his arm already which would be why he seems all right in the last panel. You can see her fairy things flying around already and we know she gotten much better at using them. Plus she only has to reattach the arm not rebuild it so that should make it much faster.
Edit: Totally called that one.
Kyanbu The Legend
07-12-2011, 03:12 PM
Tsukushima is creating new levels of trolling.
Aerozord
07-12-2011, 07:40 PM
see this is what I was talking about. Just ask anyone from soul society they'd know he wasn't there, not to mention on the phone he said he just met Orihime, so many flaws.
worst of all explaining it in front of everyone, at first I thought "oh must be out of earshot" but nope two panels later and they are right there
phil_
07-12-2011, 09:56 PM
Shouldn't Ichigo have, like, face-planted when he swung his sword into that barrier? I mean, he can't fly anymore and he's subject to physics, right? It looks like he just kinda stopped in mid-air and hung there. That's not how momentum or gravity work.
Maybe he's strong enough to support and balance his whole body with just one arm? No, no that still doesn't work.
And, again, why is Tsukishima doing this? Is that gonna be explained, or is all just a big joke about author self-insert characters in fan fiction overshadowing the hero of the original work?
Aizen got away with not having any of his motives properly expounded upon in any satisfactory manner.
EVILNess
07-12-2011, 09:58 PM
And, again, why is Tsukishima doing this?
Aizen is his father, and the LOLZIEN trolling is a genetic tick.
Calling it now.
If Aizen is Tsukishima's father I will find you and punch you in the dick.
phil_
07-12-2011, 10:18 PM
At least Aizen had some vague "Take over the world"-type motivation or something (I didn't read that part). This dude, though. Here's some dude who can change history with a cadre of other dudes with freaky powers at his command, and he chooses to spend his time fucking with some Japanese high-school student with orange hair.
Maybe he just wants another dude with freaky powers to hang out with? Yeah, actually, given his actions up to this point (collecting dudes with freaky powers and sicking them on Ichigo), that makes sense. He desires the freakiest of freaky powers so that he can win fan-of-the-game at the next Giants game. Or maybe he's a Swallows fan, I dunno.
phil_
07-20-2011, 05:34 PM
It sure has been a while since we got a "dude appears behind some dude with a shocked expression" page, hasn't it?
So I guess Tsukishima's plan was to push him to despair as much as power so he'd grow super powerful, then use his fullbring on him to have a super strong pawn?
Aerozord
07-20-2011, 09:08 PM
So I guess Tsukishima's plan was to push him to despair as much as power so he'd grow super powerful, then use his fullbring on him to have a super strong pawn?
risky, but that actually would be a legit plan. Certainly makes more sense then Aizen helping Ichigo grow more powerful for the lulz
Locke cole
07-26-2011, 01:23 AM
...why did I decide to catch up with the 8 chapters I've missed when it's just about time for me to go to sleep?
Freaking Tukishima, man. I got no clue how this is going to end, actually. I don't know if there's even a cure for all the people he Haruhi'd.
In the meantime, though, he's pretty much the scariest villain Kubo's ever conceived. Forcing Ichigo to basically go against everything he's been trying to get strong for.
Aerozord
07-27-2011, 03:15 PM
I hate chapters like this, that make no sense because the chapter ends before things are explained
Ryong
07-27-2011, 04:04 PM
Okay. This is going to be weird.
So, Ginjo is the bad guy, Tsukishima didn't know hitting someone twice reversed everything, he actually was friends with everyone but attacked everyone to not be part of their lives, for some reason, but now shit is happening.
Tite Kubo, coming up with some crazy mind screw plot twists? Unexpected.
Kyanbu The Legend
07-27-2011, 04:50 PM
Bravo Kubo, I did not see Ginjou being evil all along coming. Nor did I see Tsukushima's powers being reversed by cutting something twice.
Aerozord
07-27-2011, 06:00 PM
next few chapters will be a big deal, whether this is another brilliant "It was Aizen all along" plot twist where all the unnoticed hints suddenly add up, or some inane M. Night level pointless twist that just needlessly complicates things
EVILNess
07-27-2011, 06:20 PM
The way Tsukishima hit Ishida makes me think it was all a giant Lol-izen plan.
I'm telling you. Aizen is someone's dad.
Fifthfiend
07-27-2011, 06:28 PM
It finally got fuckin' dumb.
Thank goodness, I was starting to worry.
Locke cole
07-27-2011, 08:01 PM
Now, here's a question. Was Ginjou really on Tsukishima's side all along, or is that just what Tsukishima's power has led him to believe?
Grimpond
07-27-2011, 08:16 PM
also, why wouldn't Tsukishima know about the reversal after 2 cuts?
Locke cole
07-27-2011, 08:20 PM
He's never done it before?
It's possible, when you consider that one memory cut is all it takes to put them on his side forever.
Then again, I'm not seeing where Tsukishima is surprised by all of this?
Donomni
07-28-2011, 12:00 PM
Yeah, for now, this is all pointing to Tsukishima and Ginjou being in cahoots since before all this.
Well, sort of. Kinda?
Man, I hate it when Kubo goes back to being Kubo.
Locke cole
07-28-2011, 12:37 PM
Well, the way I see it, there's two possibilities:
One: Tsukishima and Ginjou were in cahoots the whole time, and Ginjou let himself have his memories erased beforehand in order to pull a Light Yagami-style "just as planned" memory gambit on Ichigo. That is, he did it to be more convincing, so that he could later steal Ichigo's powers.
Two: Tsukishima just now altered Ginjou's memories such that he thinks that option one happened, and altered Ishida's memories so that he thinks that Ginjou cut him.
It's actually not too complicated, even if we don't yet have enough evidence to prove either one.
As of now, the only way I can see Ichigo's friends going back to normal is if Ichigo somehow tricks Tsukishima into cutting them during their fight. Not likely, but it's all I can think of.
Aerozord
07-28-2011, 12:57 PM
Well, the way I see it, there's two possibilities:
One: Tsukishima and Ginjou were in cahoots the whole time, and Ginjou let himself have his memories erased beforehand in order to pull a Light Yagami-style "just as planned" memory gambit on Ichigo. That is, he did it to be more convincing, so that he could later steal Ichigo's powers.
Two: Tsukishima just now altered Ginjou's memories such that he thinks that option one happened, and altered Ishida's memories so that he thinks that Ginjou cut him.
but his power doesn't alter memories, it inserts himself into your past.
IHateMakingNames
07-28-2011, 12:58 PM
but his power doesn't alter memories, it inserts himself into your past.
And as this chapter implies, removes himself from people's past.
Locke cole
07-28-2011, 01:04 PM
And the memories it creates as a result are complicated enough to include "Tsukishima as Ichigo's cousin" and "Tsukishima was there for the Aizen saga". He probably could've inserted himself into Ginjou's past as "co-conspiritor".
That wouldn't explain Ishida, though.
OK, so Ginjou is an evil dude whose only redeeming factor is his good taste in ramen.
EVILNess
07-28-2011, 05:15 PM
New theory.
Tsukishima is actually a good guy, being black mailed or controlled into helping Ginjou. Possibly through capture of loved one.
Also, if Ginjou is evil, I am willing to bet that at least a few of the Fullbringers are in on it as well. All the B-listers have to have fights as well.
Doc ock rokc
07-28-2011, 06:03 PM
Honestly I had a feeling he was the evil one all along. Not just because he looks like azien but because A we never heard what his Fullbring can do. Hiding your power is just the thing a major villain would do in a show like this.
Locke cole
07-28-2011, 07:46 PM
Wait, here's another way Ichigo might be able to resolve this: if he absorbs Tsukishima's fullbring at the end of the battle, and uses it to bring his friends back to normal.
Provided, of course, that he'll be able to reverse Tsukishima's insertions when he's using the power.
Donomni
07-29-2011, 01:43 PM
From TVTropes:
He pulls a Substitute Shinigami Badge from his pocket and merges it with his Fullbring. He is the Shinigami that the original members of Xcution gave their powers to!
Furthermore, Tsukishima's Book Of The End power "displaces" people in timelines/memories by replacing them with Tsukishima. This gets shown when Chad claims that Tsukishima was the one that defeated Aizen, not Ichigo. When Ginjo talks about all the horrific things he remembers Tsukishima doing- like killing all the former Xecution members- it's because the person that Tsukishima replaced in Ginjo's new memories/timeline was Ginjo himself.
This is speculation, obviously.
But fuck, Kubo, if this actually is the case, I take everything back about you being plain old Kubo this week.
Sithdarth
07-29-2011, 11:57 PM
Ok here is one possibility:
The Fullbringers(sp?) found Ginjou and did exactly what they said they were trying to do. That is they were using him to get rid of their Fullbring powers. The find out a little to late the Ginjou his a homicidal maniac and Tsukishima uses his power to edit the past. Basically Tsukishima takes on Ginjou's bad actions and leaves Ginjou thinking he's just a normal Fullbring user cutting his attack power and some of the danger. Meanwhile Tsukishima has in someway managed to arrange it so Ginjou and the others will look for a new person to take their powers. (Perhaps he edited their pasts and perhaps he didn't.) The purpose being to take away the Fullbring of Ginjou and thereby rectify that mistake. To that end Ichigo was chosen.
Now the reason Tsukishima turned Ichigo's friends was as a final test. Clearly Ginjou had no problem fighting and attempting to injure is old "friends" proving him to be evil. Ichigo on the other hand can't bring himself to do it even in his fit of rage proving that he is good and that Tsukishima can trust him with the Fullbring powers. It also serves the dual purpose that stabbing Ichigo is the only way to gain his trust so that he can use Ichigo to eliminate Ginjou's Fullbring powers. Somehow in all of this Ginjou got wise and let himself get cut again or some such thing.
That brings us to where we are now. The whole Ginjou attacking Ishida was simply a means by Ginjou to get Ichigo into the group and once again proves he's an evil bastard. Tsukishima cut Ishida at the end in order to prevent him from ruining the plan.
It makes sense but there are probably some things wrong here or there. It make for a nicely contained plot though and sets up the Fullbringers to be allies later.
phil_
08-03-2011, 11:24 AM
Oh, his sword changed.
So I guess Ginjo's fullbring lets him steal other people's fullbrings?
Sithdarth
08-03-2011, 11:45 AM
No that is his Shinigami powers that let him do that. Which is the entire reason they gave for going after Ichigo in the first place, i.e. any substitute shinigami with a fullbring can take other fullbrings apparently, and also why he had to combine his badge with his fullbring to do it.
Apparently they figured out a way to undo the final Getsuga Tensho more rapidly than it happened for his father. Also, it does appear to have unlocked new powers. Also, anyone else notice he doesn't seem to have left his physical body and yet has full command of his Soul Reaper powers? Or maybe he did and we just can't see his crumpled heap of a body through the dust. Oh and the outfit changed as well. I'm assuming this is probably a combination of having used the final Getsuga, mastered is fullbring, and reawakened his shinigami powers. The real question is can he still use his mask at the level he used to use it at?
Locke cole
08-03-2011, 12:57 PM
Welp, the chapter title makes perfect sense right at the end, there. Though for a second, I thought that Isshin was pulling a Rukia, instead of it being Rukia giving him powers a second time.
I mean, I figured from the chapter title that Rukia was going to show up, but the angle (and Rukia's initial invisibility) had me thinking it was Isshin or Urahara stabbing him.
But, uh, here's a question.
Rukia stabbed Ichigo through the heart with a zanpakuto, just like in chapter 1, to give him temporary powers. However, if you look at Rukia, you can see that her own sword is still in its sheath. So where did that other sword come from?
greed
08-03-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm guessing it's some sort of special thing Urahara made so she didn't lose her powers again by giving them to Ichigo. It's like a condom for her spirit powers, so she doesn't blow her whole load in Ichigo's gaping hole.
Sithdarth
08-03-2011, 01:11 PM
Its the sword Isshin has been carrying for like 3 chapters that Urahara obviously made for this purpose. The point was since you last saw it being carried by Isshin you where meant to think Isshin stabbed him just like Ichigo did at first.
Also that was not the heart. The heart is not in the middle of the chest. She stabbed him through the soul sleep and chain link or whatever they are called that are in the middle of the chest.
greed
08-03-2011, 01:16 PM
She stabbed him through the soul sleep and chain link or whatever they are called that are in the middle of the chest.
His gaping hole. I already said. In this chapter Rukia thrusts into Ichigo's gaping hole from behind just after Ginjo vacates it and fills him with her essence.
Locke cole
08-03-2011, 01:32 PM
Eh, I remembered "heart" because that's how it was described in chapter 1.
Granted that was before all these "soul organs" were named, so yeah.
Aerozord
08-03-2011, 03:43 PM
hmm she got a hair cut
but I think thats her zanpaktos third power, and she created an ice sword, though if I am right I dont know why she would.
Also, hey looks like someone got a promotion
Sithdarth
08-03-2011, 03:48 PM
Its obviously the sword Isshin was carrying. It's drawn exactly the same way.
Locke cole
08-03-2011, 04:34 PM
And I thought her sword's third "Dance" was to shatter into ice shards and reform.
The only other sword that it looks like would be one of Byakuya's Kageyoshi swords. But yeah, it's definitely the sword Isshin had. Looks like it's made entirely out of Spiritions.
No that is his Shinigami powers that let him do that. Which is the entire reason they gave for going after Ichigo in the first place, i.e. any substitute shinigami with a fullbring can take other fullbrings apparently, and also why he had to combine his badge with his fullbring to do it.
Apparently they figured out a way to undo the final Getsuga Tensho more rapidly than it happened for his father. Also, it does appear to have unlocked new powers. Also, anyone else notice he doesn't seem to have left his physical body and yet has full command of his Soul Reaper powers? Or maybe he did and we just can't see his crumpled heap of a body through the dust. Oh and the outfit changed as well. I'm assuming this is probably a combination of having used the final Getsuga, mastered is fullbring, and reawakened his shinigami powers. The real question is can he still use his mask at the level he used to use it at?
Or... perhaps... HE IS NO LONGER PART HOLLOW.
Locke cole
08-03-2011, 07:50 PM
But wouldn't that mean no more Zangetsu?
Kyanbu The Legend
08-03-2011, 11:25 PM
But wouldn't that mean no more Zangetsu?
most likely yeah. Zangetsu is gone but it looks like his body (the zanpaktou itself) remains.
It seems Ichigo's going to be swinging around an empty sword from now on .
EVILNess
08-03-2011, 11:27 PM
Why is his sword bigger?
DAMN YOU SHONEN LOGIC.
Also, love the Fullbring fake-out with us only seeing Power-Ranger Ichigo like twice before he got his shinigami powers back.
Kyanbu The Legend
08-03-2011, 11:30 PM
But I liked Kamen Rider Ichigo... ;_;
EVILNess
08-04-2011, 12:58 AM
But I liked Kamen Rider Ichigo... ;_;
I liked him too, but Kubo basically just laid a massive anti-climax with the whole Fullbring thing. At least as far as Ichigo is concerned.
Aerozord
08-04-2011, 01:39 AM
No more zangetsu? but... that means no more hollow Ichigo:(
There may be another reason for the sudden change up: Bleach has officially reached it's ten year anniversary mark.
Grimpond
08-04-2011, 01:47 AM
So....why is Zangetsu gone?
Also, wasn't Ichigo's hollow a seperate existance that was just absorbed into zangetsu due to the difference in strength?
Aerozord
08-04-2011, 01:56 AM
So....why is Zangetsu gone?
Also, wasn't Ichigo's hollow a seperate existance that was just absorbed into zangetsu due to the difference in strength?
they were always two sides of the same coin. That coin being his spiritual power. Its why they both fought to keep him from using its final form, since they'd both be gone
Only logical if we do have a new zanpakto, he'd be gone too.
Which is even more sad because it means they wont do anything more with his whole turning hollow thing we keep seeing.
So I hope we still got zangetsu
Kyanbu The Legend
08-04-2011, 01:57 AM
There may be another reason for the sudden change up: Bleach has officially reached it's ten year anniversary mark.
Really? Awesome Bleach is officially a successful long runner now. Could kind of explain Kubo wanting to stretch this another 10 years.
So....why is Zangetsu gone?
Also, wasn't Ichigo's hollow a seperate existance that was just absorbed into zangetsu due to the difference in strength?
No, from what I remember it was always a part of Zangetsu. When Zangetsu died, Hichigo went with him.
Locke cole
08-04-2011, 11:51 AM
Well, I was specifically saying that no more Shirosaki meant no more Zangetsu, but the reverse is also true, yeah.
Hey, remember when Ichigo got Mugetsu, and Tensa Zangetsu changed? Perhaps this is Zangetsu's corresponding shikai adjustment.
The chain is now where the hilt wrap used to be, the sword has an actual hilt now (still no guard, but come on, that's Ichigo's personality coming out in the sword. Remember that Zanpakutou change according to the spirit energy and personality of the wielder (with Hisagi being an odd duck of sorts... perhaps he really does deep down enjoy killing)). The blade itself, other than the slight change in shape, still resembles Zangetsu.
All in all, I'm more than confident that Ichigo's zanpakutou is still the old man. Whether or not his Hollow is still part of the equation remains to be seen.
Kyanbu The Legend
08-07-2011, 04:49 AM
I'm a little ashamed that I completely forgot about that.
phil_
08-17-2011, 11:20 AM
Good to know Kubo got over that "Killing is wrong" crap really quick.
Honestly, pretty cool chapter.
Kyanbu The Legend
08-17-2011, 02:25 PM
And Ichigo is back to being all kinds of awesome again.
Locke cole
08-17-2011, 02:55 PM
Welp.
Ginjou's all kinds of screwed.
Sithdarth
08-17-2011, 03:24 PM
Mostly I like the part where Ginjou is all messed up and bleeding and is like "Well you got a little stronger but it won't change anything" and Ichigo is like "Bitch that was a muscle spasm not an attack. Now this is an attack." All of this of course with no sign of Bankai which makes me wonder about the future.
Kyanbu The Legend
08-17-2011, 03:28 PM
I don't think he can use his Bankai anymore. I'm pretty sure Zangetsu is still dead.
Locke cole
08-17-2011, 03:31 PM
But Getsuga Tenshou was explicitly Zangetsu's Shikai power.
Have we actually seen anything that suggests Zangetsu is dead other than "Well his sword looks different"?
ALSO: What Locke said.
Kyanbu The Legend
08-17-2011, 03:35 PM
Right but didn't he master and gain those powers for himself to use? So it's safe to say that even though he still has getsuga, Zangetsu is still gone, most likely meaning no more Bankai.
Unless they explain that Zangetsu was somehow revived when Ichigo's Raitsu got a good size jump start.
Aerozord
08-17-2011, 03:56 PM
Unless they explain that Zangetsu was somehow revived when Ichigo's Raitsu got a good size jump start.
thats my guess. Zangetsu was gone because he was the manifestation of his soul reaper powers, so now that he has them back
Except that Ginjou took all the powers that made up his Fullbring already.
Rukia explained that Ichigo's power is welled deep inside of him. It is a part of who he is. Mugetsu just burned it out for a while until someone could give him a jump-start (note that this is also how Uryu got his powers back after the sanrei shuuto's desperation technique burned out his powers).
I seriously doubt Zangetsu is actually gone. Or, y'know, his zanpakutou would be reverted to its original sealed state (giant katana).
Locke cole
08-17-2011, 05:35 PM
Right but didn't he master and gain those powers for himself to use? So it's safe to say that even though he still has getsuga, Zangetsu is still gone, most likely meaning no more Bankai.
Um... he'd be the first. Like, you don't see, say, Hitsugaya freezing stuff without releasing his sword, or Yammamoto summoning fire from his bare hands, as awesome as that would be.
Technically... he's done Getsuga Tenshou at least once before shikai: that Gillian he fought before Rukia's capture.
Locke cole
08-17-2011, 06:57 PM
Hm. True. I wonder though...
Semi-recently, Kubo released a book that included names for all the attacks and abilites seen in the show. Right down to utterly pointless-to-name ones, like the time Nel punched Ichigo in the balls ("Nel Jewel Punch") I remember that he called the Ichigo/Uryu sword-on-head setup "soul docking". I wonder if he gave the sword-wave that followed a name other than Getsuga. I don't know, but I wonder.
IHateMakingNames
08-17-2011, 07:43 PM
Did they explain what happened to Kon after Ichigo lost his powers?
Aerozord
08-17-2011, 08:36 PM
Did they explain what happened to Kon after Ichigo lost his powers?
what do you mean? he's just left in the bear-lion-thing
So apparently the reasons they brought his powers back are old man genocide feels indebted to Ichigo... and apparently Ginjou WAS A THREAT ALL ALONG.
Also, Ichigo has all the levels. All of them.
Kyanbu The Legend
08-24-2011, 05:50 PM
I wonder if that's Ginju Bankai that we saw at the end of the chapter. Though him being another sub soul reaper was obvious from the beginning. I'm guessing they wanted Ichigo to deal with him.
Looks like the battle is about to start, with Ginjou going all out and still out leveled by Ichigo's Shikai. We'll see for sure if Zangetsu is really gone or not. And if Tsukushima will help him or not.
Donomni
08-25-2011, 11:39 AM
I can only assume Tsukushima is hiding somewhere, performing more nefarious plans.
Nefarious stabbing shinigami plans, perhaps?
Aerozord
08-25-2011, 02:58 PM
I can only assume Tsukushima is hiding somewhere, performing more nefarious plans.
Nefarious stabbing shinigami plans, perhaps?
thats just it, for this reason I'd be after him first. Doesn't matter how powerful you are, if that hits you he wins.
Dude wields the power of friendship
Fifthfiend
08-25-2011, 03:02 PM
Next issue:
Ichigo has ALL THE BANKAIS
Arcanum
08-25-2011, 03:55 PM
And Zangetsu looks like a fusion of them all. Like DBZ fusion, only with like 30 people instead of just 2.
Fifthfiend
08-25-2011, 08:01 PM
Zangetsu looks like Zangetsu but wearing a 30-high stack of hats each labeled with the other swords' names.
Kyanbu The Legend
08-25-2011, 08:06 PM
And 30 different swords strapped to varies parts of his body. Because you can never have enough swords.
Donomni
08-26-2011, 12:12 PM
Zangetsu looks like Zangetsu but wearing a 30-high stack of hats each labeled with the other swords' names.
And thusly it is revealed that Zangetsu spent his off-time playing TF2.
This also reveals the reason Ichigo kept getting mysterious charges from an American company on his bank account...
While Facebook is certainly broken with that kind of power, I can only assume it only really works on low level people (and while Sado and Orihime are technically sort of powerful... on the experience and "being able to detect you who is behind me who is behind you" sense, they're not on the same level as the shinigami) because, y'know, everyone else has SWORDS.
greed
08-31-2011, 12:43 PM
NEW CHAPTER SPOILERS
I like establishing Tsukushima as being really fucking creepy and messed up. This is the first time he's shown real emotion and it's when he broke two peoples minds.
So bets on arbitrary and stupid matchups between cappins and fullbringers?
Fifthfiend
08-31-2011, 01:08 PM
Oh good a bunch of mooks for the captains to steamroll.
Fifthfiend
08-31-2011, 01:09 PM
And thusly it is revealed that Zangetsu spent his off-time playing TF2.
This also reveals the reason Ichigo kept getting mysterious charges from an American company on his bank account...
Next arc: Ichigo confronts the mighty menace of GABEN
greed
08-31-2011, 01:25 PM
How long have you been under the impression that Half Life Ep 3 would be released?
Aerozord
08-31-2011, 03:58 PM
see, like I said all you needed to do was bring in people from soul society in and his entire story falls apart
Arcanum
08-31-2011, 04:44 PM
I really hope this is a fake out. That they aren't going to have another "SS Captains VS Random Powered Up Mooks" (alternatively: "Captains VS Arrancar Round 2, except they're human and not Arrancar so it's totally different even though it's the exact same thing") and that the captains will just sweep them in half a chapter.
Aerozord
08-31-2011, 05:14 PM
I'm hoping its all off screen, and its just to justify them not helping ichigo
Kyanbu The Legend
08-31-2011, 05:14 PM
I really hope this is a fake out. That they aren't going to have another "SS Captains VS Random Powered Up Mooks" (alternatively: "Captains VS Arrancar Round 2, except they're human and not Arrancar so it's totally different even though it's the exact same thing") and that the captains will just sweep them in half a chapter.
They just got a power up so I'm not really sure this will play out real quick.
Honestly I'd love for Ichigo to Getsuga them aside like flies, cue Ginjou taking the power back plus their own powers to get a big enough boost to go head to head with ichigo.
While Tsukushima bust out some tactical fighting to make up for being under powered.
Grimpond
09-07-2011, 10:01 AM
Fuck yes kenpachi is always the best
Locke cole
09-07-2011, 10:43 AM
OK, I had no idea what time-dude was trying to say before he got killed. All I got was something like "Simple contract = INFINITE POWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
Fifthfiend
09-07-2011, 11:20 AM
Agreed, Kenny.
Agreed.
phil_
09-07-2011, 12:13 PM
He's still got my attention until Riruka is dead. Then I'm probably out again.
Aerozord
09-07-2011, 12:23 PM
I'm just abit uncertain about ichigo's sudden reversion to "killing is wrong". I get before it was because he was shoved into a corner and kind of mind broke, but figured there would be some lasting consequences.
Fifthfiend
09-07-2011, 12:27 PM
He still thinks of them as kinda-sorta friends-ish.
Locke cole
09-07-2011, 12:31 PM
His suggesting that they need to kill Tsukishima was when he was under a lot of freaking pressure, man. Nobody had ever made it as personal as Tsukishia did.
Kyanbu The Legend
09-08-2011, 03:35 AM
Kind of hoping a few of them namely Riruka survive.
But based on Kenpatchi's fight.
They are mostly all going to die.
They just got a power up so I'm not really sure this will play out real quick.
Honestly I'd love for Ichigo to Getsuga them aside like flies, cue Ginjou taking the power back plus their own powers to get a big enough boost to go head to head with ichigo.
While Tsukushima bust out some tactical fighting to make up for being under powered.
I love how this exact thing almost happened.
Me and Kubo must think alike or I read too much Bleach. XD
Arcanum
09-08-2011, 03:45 AM
Me and Kubo must think alike
I am so sorry, what a terrible condition to suffer from.
But for serious: I love that the only reason they are still alive (and will actually be able to put up somewhat of a fight) is because Game Kid is bending the rules of reality to let them cheat death. Looks like the fight will last until a loophole is found in his fullbring, or his batteries run out.
Aerozord
09-08-2011, 12:41 PM
I am so sorry, what a terrible condition to suffer from.
But for serious: I love that the only reason they are still alive (and will actually be able to put up somewhat of a fight) is because Game Kid is bending the rules of reality to let them cheat death. Looks like the fight will last until a loophole is found in his fullbring, or his batteries run out.
no no nonononoNONONONO
CRAP, geez you just made me realize its possible he survived Kenpachi's attack and we will see these fights drag on and on
GAH WHY DONT WE HAVE A HAIR PULLING EMOTE
greed
09-12-2011, 11:34 AM
Man I just reread the early part of Bleach and got depressed. This has really gone downhill.
EVILNess
09-13-2011, 09:46 AM
I actually giggled at the newest one. I forgot Rukia has a soft spot for bunnies and other cute things.
Locke cole
09-13-2011, 10:53 AM
Hee hee. There's something funny about how Kenpachi acts ate the start of this one. He one-shots his opponent, and the first thing he says is "Nobody else is done yet? Screw it, I'm goin' home."
EVILNess
09-13-2011, 11:18 AM
I've been meaning to ask, but what squad is on Rukia's Lieutenant badge?
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