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Kyanbu The Legend

12-16-2009, 01:04 AM

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=16128078&postcount=10

So recently I've been called out on and trashed to hell and back about my artwork and the ENTIRE Dash and Advent Series that he has NEVER fully read. And then 3+ years of endless work gets trashed by this one guy. And somehow, this one guy manage to point out a flaw a VERY MAJOR flaw that makes everything I've done till now. 3+ Years of endless work and sacrifice. 3+ years of tirelessly working day and night to fine tune the plot to perfection and practice drawing. I actually deprived my self of sleep working on it. I've failed college 3 times because of endlessly working on it. (the other times were do to the universe fucking me over). It really fucking pisses me off that ALL of that work has ended up being for nothing.

I have never wanted to harm anyone so badly in my whole life till now. I'm so pissed that I'm actually trembling with anger. I can barely control myself right now. I feeling like beating someone to a bloody pulp and dragging there corpse down the highway going 80 MPH. I can't even begin to think of a way to describe the amount of hate I'm feeling right now. I am literally on the edge of doing something that I am going to greatly get in trouble for.

So I ask you all. The members of NPF, the only people I don't fantasies of killing. Have any of you ever felt this way before?

Premmy

12-16-2009, 01:17 AM

All the time, kid, all the time.

Tev

12-16-2009, 01:28 AM

Just to satisfy my own curiosity....what was the flaw that broke your world (figurative and otherwise)?

Kyanbu The Legend

12-16-2009, 01:38 AM

Just to satisfy my own curiosity....what was the flaw that broke your world (figurative and otherwise)?

what he said...
I'm sorry...but the style of your drawing looks the same as it's always been. And the style of the characters looks boring and basic. No offense, but it's true.

The story doesn't capture me either, and would be better posted in the Fan Fiction section.

Which translates to...

Your artwork is bland and boring, your world is uninteresting and feels more like a bad fanflic if anything.

Which the flaw is that despite years of endless work. Apparently my story doesn't give off enough of a hook to make you want to read the rest of it. Despite that he has not shown any sign of actually reading it.

Tev

12-16-2009, 01:41 AM

Yeah but I'm confused....this 19 year old isn't a guy who publishes books yes? He doesn't hand out money for things right? Fuck what he thinks.

Edit: To refute his argument, as a person on nearly equal footing as he is (I've also not really read your work), let me say this:

The style of your drawing seems to have improved as would be expected of a continuing artist. And the style of the characters looks interesting. Not to heap on the accolades, but it's true.

The story probably would capture me if I felt like reading it, and at the very least can't be nearly as bad a read as Silk and Steel (look it up!). No really, if the guy who wrote that crap can get published, anyone can. And if they can't they should mail a copy of Silk and Steel to the publisher as proof that they have sins to atone for.

Premmy

12-16-2009, 01:46 AM

On the real, do your thing kid, Man-up and walk away, and keep doing you, and don't force me to mangle the english language as much as I have again!
:stressed:

mauve

12-16-2009, 02:05 AM

That's one person's opinion, Kyanbu. No matter what you do, no matter who you are, there will be people who like your work, and people who dislike your work. You can't please everyone, and you can't base your entire opinion of your work on one random dude's assessment. It's really hard to hear people say that they don't like what you do, especially if it's something as personal as artwork. (Trust me. I'd be lying if I said I never let criticism get me down.) But don't let it stop you from doing something you enjoy.

If you stop drawing, not only do you let them win, you lose practice and you stop developing your own style. You lose practice, and you stop improving. Bam, self-fulfilling prophecy. I tell you this from personal experience.

The Sevenshot Kid

12-16-2009, 02:32 AM

Wow... Ain't that a bitch?
As someone who has had his writing torn down, it'll only make you want to try harder.

synkr0nized

12-16-2009, 02:52 AM

DFM

12-16-2009, 04:15 AM

Please tell me I'm missing something here. Because if you're really responding to this:

I'm sorry...but the style of your drawing looks the same as it's always been. And the style of the characters looks boring and basic. No offense, but it's true.

The story doesn't capture me either, and would be better posted in the Fan Fiction section.

(Which is about as tame a criticism I've ever seen on the internet and is at least mildly constructive to boot)

With this:

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=16128078&postcount=10

So recently I've been called out on and trashed to hell and back about my artwork and the ENTIRE Dash and Advent Series that he has NEVER fully read. And then 3+ years of endless work gets trashed by this one guy. And somehow, this one guy manage to point out a flaw a VERY MAJOR flaw that makes everything I've done till now. 3+ Years of endless work and sacrifice. 3+ years of tirelessly working day and night to fine tune the plot to perfection and practice drawing. I actually deprived my self of sleep working on it. I've failed college 3 times because of endlessly working on it. (the other times were do to the universe fucking me over). It really fucking pisses me off that ALL of that work has ended up being for nothing.

I have never wanted to harm anyone so badly in my whole life till now. I'm so pissed that I'm actually trembling with anger. I can barely control myself right now. I feeling like beating someone to a bloody pulp and dragging there corpse down the highway going 80 MPH. I can't even begin to think of a way to describe the amount of hate I'm feeling right now. I am literally on the edge of doing something that I am going to greatly get in trouble for.

So I ask you all. The members of NPF, the only people I don't fantasies of killing. Have any of you ever felt this way before?

(Which is absolutely fucking nuts)

Then I think you need to see a psychiatrist or something because you are probably going to hurt somebody.

Kyanbu The Legend

12-16-2009, 04:19 AM

If you can't take negative criticism, or rather take each instance of it this harshly, you probably shouldn't post your work on a forum or the Internet. Regardless of any quality or lack-thereof in a person's work, this medium reaches so many people of varying opinions that you're bound to get negative responses.

Looking at that whole thread, though, it seems folks aren't diggin' it. Mayhaps they aren't your best place to focus?

Your right if I can't get over this. Then my future is doomed.

But I guess...

I've always been this way. Afraid of being disliked by anyone. Always too scared to do what needs to be done. I've worked on a series for 3 years and I still can't even coop with the idea that not everyone will like it. I was bent on believing that I could make it loved by everyone or at least respected to some degree.

It's kind of pathetic when you think about. I'm a 20 year old man and I'm still hiding like a child. Fearing to coop with the truth. I know that things aren't sugar coated. I know that I ruined my life with beliefs that I could ignore it. But I knew that it wasn't possible. I would eventually have to deal with the harsh fact about reality. This how time I felt my mind tearing itself apart from fear. Yeah that's right. I'm afraid of reality, I'm afraid to face the world, afraid coop with the truth that I've been told more then enough times to never forget. Afraid to deal with the fact that I can't keeping hiding forever. Afraid to coop with the idea that everything will come to an end eventually. Fame, wealth, knowledge, life, the universe it'll all come to an end a some point in time. And it haunts me so much I can't even sleep well at night.

I'm just a coward, and till now I still can't seem to grow out of it. The Dash Series, Mischief Knights, I wonder If the reason I even created it all. If the reason I've obsessed over it these past 3 years. Was because I wanted to hide from the world.

I hate this feeling... I hate that I'm afraid. That I can't stand the thought of something decaying, coming to an inevitable end. This feeling has been tearing me apart too long.

Somehow, someway, I have to over come this. I don't have a choice. It has to be done. For the sake of my sanity.

As for my works. Updates, new artwork, new design research, the O.C.S (original comic specials), everything will continue as normal. I promised my self that the Dash Series no that all of my ideas will succeed and be completed. I will keep that promise...

No matter what it takes.

Professor Smarmiarty

12-16-2009, 04:34 AM

Nothing you write will ever satisfy anyone. In fact as work tends to get "better" it tends to polarise more people.
If you can't take criticism you shouldn't be writing period. Because no matter h ow good you are- even if you are published and not dealing with internet trolls- somebody is going to attack your work and you personally. It reall is as simple as that.
What you should do is take any criticisms to heart and if they will improve your work act on them. If you don't think they will ignore them- but only if you are completely sure of what the criticism is and know why it is not valid as pertaining to your work.

DFM

12-16-2009, 04:39 AM

Nothing you write will ever satisfy anyone.

Son you're like ice.

Kyanbu The Legend

12-16-2009, 05:03 AM

Bells

12-16-2009, 09:27 AM

Not live with that. Surpass that.

This took you down, work around it so it can't take you down in the future. But of course, never stop caring for criticism.

I want to quote on myself over a little comment i made at Kotaku.com once.... it needs a little bending to fit in your case (and a tamer language actually....) but it was the first thing to come to mind

Don't give me this crap about "Let the market regulate the market" and "let players and movie goers decide what is valid or not". What the hell does the general public knows? Twilight made over 100 million dollars in a Week in just ONE movie (not couting all other movies and books) and people still fight and debate on the internet over console exclusives, and a lot of people still think that Tits and Gore and a JAckass as a hero is all a game needs to be good.

Again... what the fuck does the market knows about anything?with that, i want to say... the opinion of the guy who pays you, in the end, is worth more than some random dude in a forum.

Your work is fine, it could use some improvement... but fuck man, that's a line i could use with James Camerom, Spielberg and Tolkien. Work always need work. If you're done improving your stuff it only means you've reach the top of your quality... and what good is that?

You worked pretty hard, right? So give yourself a hug, say "nice job" and keep going because you ain't done yet.

Nightshine

12-16-2009, 09:35 AM

Oh the many horrible things of which I want to say to the Kyanbu. I can sum it up into two simple letters:

QQ

(Also, it's been said before: get off the internet if you can't take criticism)

Osterbaum

12-16-2009, 09:47 AM

All my sympathies to you Kyanbu. But as it has been stated, you need to learn how to handle criticism etc.

That being said, Nightshine I'm sorry but I fail to grasp why you felt the need to say essentially what other people have already said, just in more harsh (or assholish even) 'tone' added to it. The whole "learn to deal with criticism" was already stated several times and Kyanbu even agreed.

I hate being any sort of moral compass or houlier-than-though guy, so if that is what I am doing right now, shoot me in the leg.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

12-16-2009, 09:54 AM

Kyanbu, your story could cause an endless stream of Euphoria and orgasmic joy in every single person that reads it, and someone would still be pissed off because you ruined their favorite pair of pants.

Fuck what people think. If you can look at your work and be proud of it, even if it's just a sense of pride at the sheer effort you've put into it. Then you've done a damn fine job. And nobody can take that away.

Except the Cybermen.
They'll take that shit away along with the rest of your emotions. They don't even care, it's like it's all one big joke to them.

Jagos

12-16-2009, 10:25 AM

I've always been this way. Afraid of being disliked by anyone. Always too scared to do what needs to be done. I've worked on a series for 3 years and I still can't even coop with the idea that not everyone will like it. I was bent on believing that I could make it loved by everyone or at least respected to some degree.

Son, I've worked on my own series for going on 8. I want to be perfect but when some authors can do This (http://blog.laurellkhamilton.org/index.php/site/comments/dear_negative_reader/), trust me, you can live with some people interjecting about some BS that ain't true. You can't please everyone. Just do what you like and let the small stuff go. The world is too large for someone's views that are so small. Like Babies.

Tev

12-16-2009, 10:44 AM

Your right, I'm going to have to live with that.Look at it this way: think of all the criticism that Twilight gets. Now think of just how damn popular that damnable piece of fanfiction is. Now imagine that your work is that popular. You're going to get people who don't like your work. That won't stop it from being good enough for a four-movie deal.

Nightshine

12-16-2009, 10:59 AM

Look at it this way: think of all the criticism that Twilight gets. Now think of just how damn popular that damnable piece of fanfiction is. Now imagine that your work is that popular. You're going to get people who don't like your work. That won't stop it from being good enough for a four-movie deal.

If I were a person writing a poorly written fanfic thinking it was all great, I would be greatly offended if you were to compare my works to the like of the filth known as Twilight.

shiney

12-16-2009, 11:03 AM

I think somebody needs a hug, personally.

Tev

12-16-2009, 11:05 AM

If I were a person writing a poorly written fanfic thinking it was all great, I would be greatly offended if you were to compare my works to the like of the filth known as Twilight.
Yeah but you totally missed the point, which is understandable. You can compare Harry Potter to Twilight in terms of popularity. It doesn't insult the former because while both works are of vastly different skill levels, both are equally popular.

PsychicKid

12-16-2009, 12:39 PM

It's Pojo, dude. Everyone I've met on that site is a gigantic retard except Kevin Tewart, Julia, and some random dude I-don't-know-his-name. Although I can sympathize with you, because I used to be really bad at accepting criticism. I still am, but have gotten a lot better about it. Don't let what some random tart online (especially on Pojo of all places) ruin your story's universe.

Edit: Ohey I recognize your avatar from around the YGO forums too. I'm the same PsychicKid if you've seen me posting around there. 'sup

Sir Pinkleton

12-16-2009, 12:51 PM

I'd say something more substantial, but it's been covered so far. I, too, would like everyone to like me. It never really became an issue before, because no one (told me they) didn't like me. then someone did, and I felt confused about it, pretty crappy about it too. This isn't even criticism, this is a guy that my friends are good old pals with, but the guy dislikes me for being a male. Total bullshit, right? Yet my friends are still friends with him. It was annoying. After time though, I came to terms with his past, how all the guys he'd met before were assholes, and that was why he didn't trust me, and now we can hang out and not feel awkward around each other.

Life is both good and bad. Good things are striven for, but adversity builds character. Don't let just one guy get you down.

Mike McC

12-16-2009, 01:21 PM

Yeah, I agree with DFM. You are blowing one rather mild criticism up as if he's been trolling you for months relentlessly and it's finally broken you. This is not a healthy reaction.

If there is one thing I've learned from the artists I talk to, its that getting attached to your drawings and artwork Is a pretty terrible thing. Some of them put up work that I would call stunning that they are barely satisfied with. They will also listen to criticism openly, and at least consider it, even if they don't utilize it.

Really, if you want to improve, you must deal with criticism. There is only so far your own perceptions can take you. And sometimes, the best criticisms are the harshest, most brutal ones.

I'll post some of my own advice and criticism in your Drawing forum thread, but know that the more you put yourself out there, the more criticism you WILL get. You either need to start thickening your skin, or you'll never make it out sane.

Fifthfiend

12-16-2009, 01:32 PM

Man I just think you shouldn't be like repeatedly failing out of college for a webcomic or whatever.

Oh the many horrible things of which I want to say to the Kyanbu. I can sum it up into two simple letters:

QQ

(Also, it's been said before: get off the internet if you can't take criticism)

So glad you're continuing to be an asshole to people here on this forum.

Mike McC

12-16-2009, 01:36 PM

Man I just think you shouldn't be like repeatedly failing out of college for a webcomic or whatever.Yeah, that's definitely a sign that you are way too attached to your work. Distance yourself. Or it will destroy you.

DFM

12-16-2009, 01:55 PM

Man I just think you shouldn't be like repeatedly failing out of college for a webcomic or whatever.

Yeah, I mean look dude I haven't read your webcomic thing but I'm going to say I'm 100% certain it's not something you should be repeatedly dropping out of college for. Or admit you repeatedly dropped out of college for. It's also one of the things that made me suggest and continue to suggest seeing a shrink because that is not normal.

Fifthfiend

12-16-2009, 02:01 PM

Yeah, that's definitely a sign that you are way too attached to your work. Distance yourself. Or it will destroy you.

Yeah, I mean look dude I haven't read your webcomic thing but I'm going to say I'm 100% certain it's not something you should be repeatedly dropping out of college for. Or admit you repeatedly dropped out of college for.

I mean if nothing else like, learning and developing a broader and deeper experience of the world is part of improving as a writer and college is a pretty good place to do that.

Plus the other thing Kyanbu is that you're talking a lot about getting your webcomic 'perfect' or whatever but the thing is that in pretty much any creative enterprise you're inevitably going to think your work from like six months or a year ago looks/reads like shit because improvement is a continual process so getting this hung up on getting it "perfect" now isn't doing you any favors.

Instead of dropping out of college a bunch of times, why not take some art classes there at your college, and come back to the comic thing once you've learned some more things?

DFM

12-16-2009, 02:03 PM

Plus it's a webcomic.

DFM

12-16-2009, 02:07 PM

Counter Counter Point: Lackadaisy is not a webcomic, it is a window into the mind of a god.

Fifthfiend

12-16-2009, 02:08 PM

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

12-16-2009, 02:12 PM

DFM

12-16-2009, 02:15 PM

Sounds like you don't read Lackadaisy so I'm putting you on ignore.

Fifthfiend

12-16-2009, 02:15 PM

Are you two getting paid to advertise for them, or is it some form of brainwashing?

It's more the unarguable fact that Lackadaisy is superior to every single thing that isn't Lackadaisy.

EDIT: I'm not saying you can't disagree, I'm just saying you'd be wrong.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

12-16-2009, 02:17 PM

So it's the brainwashing then?

Mike McC

12-16-2009, 02:19 PM

Counter Counter Point: Lackadaisy is not a webcomic, it is a window into the mind of a god.Yeah deleted that post cause I was like wait no, you can't compare Lackadaisy to other things, it's Lackadaisy.Even Lackadaisy is never satisfied with itself. And it shows.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/1203882812.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/fencershinryuu/1257460213.jpg

As you can see, the artwork is more polished, the dialog feels more natural, and the pacing is much better. Even though that preview page is still fantastic on it's own, the advances she made in the three years between those two pages is pretty amazing.

Never stop striving to be better.

CelesJessa

12-16-2009, 02:20 PM

Ignoring the whole "dropping out of college for a webcomic" thing I'm going to give my $.02 on criticism as someone who is very familiar with getting their art critiqued.

Ahem

This painting (http://www.freewebs.com/gilcarosio/photos/douard%20Manet%20%20-%20January%2023%201832%20%20April%2030%201883%20%2 0French%20painter/manet20vh0.jpg), you may or may not recognize as being a very well known painting from Eduard Manet, a very important artist in the history of art. A person you will not make it through an art history class without hearing his name(unless it's, like, Asian art or something). That painting right there that he did? People HATED it, he got some of the nastiest critiques and wasn't allowed into some of the gallery shows that he wanted to show in. (I believe one of the critiques we learned about in my art history class was along the lines of "it was a joke")

So pretty much... it doesn't matter how good you are, you will get critiqued. You will get critiqued by people who do know more about art than you who you can't just shrug off and say they don't know anything. Hell, at my final photography critique yesterday my professor told me my best photos were the ones that I never printed (ouch).

Taking critique badly doesn't make you a freak, especially when it's about something that you love. It's hard, I know it. The important part is learning how to distance yourself and look at it with new eyes that aren't tainted with "I poured my blood, sweat, and tears into this."

Here's a quote I found from an artist I respect a lot that I saved a long time ago to help me take critique better, maybe you'll find it useful too:

"For people who are looking to handle critique better but still get stung by comments they feel are harsh or critical of their work - there's nothing wrong with you. You're not weak or anything. If anything, becoming defensive of your work means that you really care about your art.

To get into the mindset of improving, you have to recognize that online critique is basically a stranger donating their time to try and help you get better. They see potential in your work and want to help you be the best artist possible. That's a big favor they're doing you. It may seem like a bunch of insults, or that they're not complimenting you enough, but the very fact that they're critiquing you means that they care, too.

It can hurt to see problems pointed out.. everyone feels self-conscious every so often in their life. But the important thing is that you're putting yourself out there. You're offering up something creative that you've made. That's more than most of the internet can say. It's easy to be a critic, but it's very tough to be a creative person and deal with criticism.

Give yourself time to get used to critique. Don't shy away from it.. critics are a part of life and they're good for you. Pat yourself on the back when you take a critique well, because you're being mature and dealing with it and learning from it."

Professor Smarmiarty

12-16-2009, 02:30 PM

Also the best, most revolutionary work in artistic fields tends to inspire quite polar reactions so even if you make the greatest thing that has ever been made you will get critiques and ones probably more nasty than if you had just made something middling of the road good.

Fenris

12-16-2009, 02:33 PM

So glad you're continuing to be an asshole to people here on this forum.

Stop calling people assholes.

That said, Oh the many horrible things of which I want to say to the Kyanbu. I can sum it up into two simple letters:

QQ

(Also, it's been said before: get off the internet if you can't take criticism)
Stop being an asshole.

krogothwolf

12-16-2009, 02:55 PM

There's nothing really wrong with venting about critique either.

I hated be critiqued on howI played in a hockey game. It always pissed me off because the people critique me aren't out there playing either, so what I used to do was use it as a motivation factor to go out a preform better.(Usually by trying to put someone through the boards, but hey that's why you're allowed to hit in hockey!) My dad figured out I hated it and started using it as a motivational tool for me inbetween periods. He would nitpick at even little things. Not enough muster on my shot, passed to late(even though a goal was still scored, he was a jerk!). Even when strangers booed me and such It would still motivate me to play better because I wanted to show them up. Rubbing peoples face in by proving them wrong is a good way to deal with critique.

Art's probably different because it's all about peoples taste, Although if someone critiques your art someway, the best way to go about it would probably to stop. Take a look at what you're doing and go "How could I have made this better" Forget about what he actually said because it's his opinion based on what he likes for art and comics, but based on how you feel. If you go "Oh, I could have done this to make it better" then that little critique helped improve you, if you feel that you like it the way it is then just put the critique off to the side and forget about it.

shiney

12-16-2009, 03:26 PM

Re: the person who reported a post in this thread, if you had read all the comments, you would notice this was already handled.

bluestarultor

12-16-2009, 03:53 PM

You know, Kyanbu, I specifically don't put most of my work on the Internet. Part of it is because I'm a bit paranoid and afraid it's going to get stolen, but part of it is also that I've gotten burned in the past by doing so in various manners. I mean, look at just my history on NPF. Any of the ideas I ever throw out pretty much instantly come under fire in one form or another. And those are just my ideas.

Like you, I've spent years working on most of my most active stories. I have four I really feel are going to go anywhere at this point, and I started three of them in my first year of high school. I was effing 15, and am now 22, and I STILL don't have any real work on any of them because I keep re-doing things, sometimes from the ground up. They're obviously miles better than they started now, but that's a lot of time and effort put into three major titles and several that I've dropped because they simply didn't work no matter what I tried.

On the other hand, while I have not one, but a whole filed directory of folders for notes on my main titles and other random ideas, I've always made sure to do things like homework first.

I know what it's like for stories to be important to you. I have many characters developed into living, breathing people. They are as real to me as anyone I know in the real world. I have, myself, lost sleep over my writing. But it's important to keep your goals straight.

I haven't read your work, nor will I probably in the foreseeable future. But as a person who's put work out and gotten burned for it, yeah, it can sting. You really have to keep it in perspective, though. It's the Internet. These people don't know you, may not have even read enough to get a feel for it, and maybe just are assholes out to ruin someone's day.

You also have to know when to take a step back. Putting all your eggs in one basket is really never a good idea. Kyanbu, I have to say that nothing should be the direct cause of you failing out of school more than once. It's hard to get published, and you're going to have a file cabinet of rejection letters before you ever do. You need to be able to live in the meantime, both by having some sort of salable skill and by being able to take rejection.

What I'm saying is that it's good to have your dreams, but you need a trampoline both to get you to the clouds and to catch you when you fall back down from them. You need to limit yourself and get yourself an education, or a job with a living wage, to serve as that trampoline. I'm only saying this because I know both what it's like to have work important to you and what it's like to fail out of college. I also know what it's like to have a crappy dead-end job and that it's not worth the shitty pay and crappy work unless you can tell yourself it's only temporary and that you're going places.

Take a reality check. Not in the mean sense, but in the real sense. Look at where you are and what you need to do to get where you want to be, and the side tracks that you're going to need to get you there. You're going to need to sidetrack. Everyone does. I'm not saying to stop writing. Just that you need to figure out what else you need to be doing and how to balance it all.

Edit: Sorry, Shiney, that was me. I was reading through from the beginning and got through page 3 actually right up to where they were talking about Lakadaisy before going back because it was bugging me. :sweatdrop

shiney

12-16-2009, 03:59 PM

Well, I didn't want to name names, but I guess you threw yourself under the bus. Next time, perhaps keep it available on the side and don't report it until you've read through the whole thread. :P

Oh well, it gave me somethin' to do. So I guess there's that.

bluestarultor

12-16-2009, 04:00 PM

I own up to and try to fix my mistakes. I'll keep that in mind.

Osterbaum

12-16-2009, 05:11 PM

I'll keep that in mind.
No you wont. I mean, I totally wouldn't.

Kyanbu The Legend

12-16-2009, 06:52 PM

Actually I do plan to make money off of the Dash Series and my other future works. I'm just being smart about it and taking it one step at a time (which is why it's being posted the way it is. To see if it catches on).

Also I was rather up set at the time I made this. See I didn't fail college because of my projects. I failed because of my mental disorder (a mild ADHD or something like that) which prevents me from staying focused and on task for long periods of time. How I'm able to get anything done with the Dash Series and Advent Series is a mystery to me. >_>;

Still part of the purpose of this thread was for everyone to discuss their greatest soul crushing set back moments.

Mike McC

12-16-2009, 07:17 PM

Loyal

12-16-2009, 07:36 PM

Never, never, never, never make a webcomic and plan to make money off of it. That kind of situation is exceedingly rare, and very very hard to actually obtain. And perfectly near impossible if it was what you intended all along.

EDIT to clarify: People who have marketable art skills and intend to make money off of it will typically stay as far away from webcomics as humanly possible. They are nothing resembling profitable without a lot of investment. People looking to market their art skills aren't going to look at a webcomic and think "I could probably make some money doing one of these," they will try to get a job with a company that can use their skills, and more importantly, pay for them.

Kyanbu The Legend

12-16-2009, 07:44 PM

Never, never, never, never make a webcomic and plan to make money off of it. That kind of situation is exceedingly rare, and very very hard to actually obtain. It takes years of hard, diligent work of promoting yourself, making the best product you can... And even then it is not even remotely guaranteed.

Going in planning to make money will most likely lead to disappointment.

Correction only Mischief Knights is a webcomic. Dash Chronicles, Dash Chronicles 2, and Mischief Knights 2 aren't web comics. but actual comics/novels. Same goes for some other stuff I was working on.

Magus

12-16-2009, 08:23 PM

I think they're just saying not to quit your day job. I too want to become published and so forth but currently I'm finishing my senior year of college to get a degree in education. I work on my short stories and so forth (by the way, a fiction workshop is a lot of fun in college, if you attend again or are currently attending I definitely recommend it, if you just do the work it's an easy three credits and I've produced several works I consider pretty damn good from taking a fiction workshop and a drama workshop), but I keep in mind that there's a good chance I'm not going to make money off of them any time soon, or maybe even ever. I hope to, but I don't channel all my time and energy into it except when I feel I have free time.

As someone who has taken a fiction workshop and drama workshop, I can tell you they help a lot both in letting you see what people like, what they don't like, getting constructive criticism, and putting criticism in perspective. For instance, I wrote a play with Vlad the Impaler as one of the characters and a lot of period history in the background, and a fellow student said they didn't like having to "know all this history stuff". However, the play was designed with several devices to deliver all the information people needed to know through exposition, and pretty much everyone else in the class really liked the play; they weren't bothered by having to read historical exposition, or maybe even looking up some basic facts on the internet. So I was annoyed at reading this person's critique, but realized that their opinion was important, because I have to realize that there is a portion of the audience who just isn't going to like learning about history, and to not take it personally if one of these people lambasts my work. I also had another person who really liked it, but thought it was entirely fantastical, since they'd never heard of Vlad the Impaler, so in a way they were misinformed and somewhat not a good person to look to for criticism even though they liked it!

In any case, don't take criticism personally, and keep it in perspective.

EDIT: Actually, I do sort of have to put the intelligence of the person who didn't like it into doubt, since they thought when I said "he was executed for stealing a man's hoe", they thought I meant to say "he was executed for stealing a man's ho", which shows that 1. they misunderstood that Vlad would execute someone for the petty crime of stealing a hoe just as he would for stealing someone's whore (and execute the man who had a whore as well), and 2. that "ho" didn't come into circulation until WAY after the 15th century. I totally meant the gardening implement, it was not a mistake, and they were the only one stupid enough to think otherwise.

So, hey, sometimes you can take solace in the fact that people who give you negative critiques are, sometimes, just stupid.

Hanuman

12-17-2009, 01:35 AM

So I ask you all. The members of NPF, the only people I don't fantasies of killing. Have any of you ever felt this way before?
Once, but generally I don't appreciate anything about that feeling.

The work you did improved you, hell I bet the vast majority of us have wasted endless time just like you, but on videogames, webcomics and such.
The product of your work is not drawings or written work, it's the hand and brain behind it.. those things have developed and grown with your work.

You are the final product, YOUR story, is neither wasted nor over.

Nikose Tyris

12-17-2009, 05:13 PM

Kyanbu:
I hate your presentation of your story. I hated reading it. It was almost as bad as Kirby2000 in my eyes.

That said-

When I sat down and reworded some of your writing, it was actually really good. That kind of surprised me. I'd kind of written you off as being generically bad, but you actually have something more then half-way decent buried under there. If I were you, I'd hook up with a partner- someone else who's got some writing experience (or, best case scenario, with a real editor, like Lady Cygnet on the forums [She is probably too busy, don't bother her.] Talk out some of the tough parts, let your work get taken apart and re-written. I think you'll be happier and you'll generally receive better responses too.

So thar. That's my response to your writing, not to your question or to anything else really.

[/Honestpost.]

Kyanbu The Legend

12-17-2009, 05:33 PM

Finding an editor hasn't exactly been easy for me. Though I have been looking.

Nikose Tyris

12-17-2009, 05:39 PM

If you want to be connected to people, I can ask around on your behalf.

P.S. I hope you weren't offended by anything in my post.

I'm not apologizing or anything, I came off pretty much exactly as blunt as I meant to, but at the same time I think I was slightly more gentle then I normally am because I'm secretly rather fond of you.

Magic_Marker

12-17-2009, 05:39 PM

I too want to become published and so forth but currently I'm finishing my senior year of college to get a degree in education.

It seems we have similiar Game Plans only you're older, interesting...

Fifthfiend

12-17-2009, 05:39 PM

Nikose Tyris

12-17-2009, 05:41 PM

Man Nikose I would make a joke about how great it is that I'm unable read your posts but seriously man the dark purple on black thing makes it impossible to read your posts, I know everyone loves colortextposting but dang.

Yeah I see your point, I think I'm going to put up a highlight behind it in a complimentary color or something to make it easier.

Also I had no idea it was this hard to see on some monitors- I'm posting from my mother's computer and damn it's a big difference between monitors.

MasterOfMagic

12-17-2009, 05:45 PM

Yeah I see your point, I think I'm going to put up a highlight behind it in a complimentary color or something to make it easier
Color text boxes sound like a worse idea. Us not being able to see your posts isn't nearly as bad as burning our eyes out.

Maybe you can make it work...but it just sounds so terrible, and I want to be preemptive lest it become the next big thing�.

Loyal

12-17-2009, 05:54 PM

It was almost as bad as Kirby2000 in my eyes.Oh come on, nobody deserves that.

Also, do we even have color-specific highlight options?

Magic_Marker

12-17-2009, 06:44 PM

Oh come on, nobody deserves that.

Seconded. That was harsh man, like real harsh.

Green Spanner

12-17-2009, 06:45 PM

Seconded. That was harsh man, like real harsh.

I'm (kinda) new here and I know who Kirby2000 is, and therefore why that was a low-blow.

Fifthfiend

12-17-2009, 06:46 PM

Color text boxes sound like a worse idea. Us not being able to see your posts isn't nearly as bad as burning our eyes out.

Maybe you can make it work...but it just sounds so terrible, and I want to be preemptive lest it become the next big thing�.

The next big thing is everyone remembering the glitter tag.

Nikose Tyris

12-17-2009, 06:50 PM

The next big thing is everyone remembering the glitter tag.

You're a bad person. And for the next week I think I'm going to remind you of that.

Mr.Bookworm

12-17-2009, 06:54 PM

I'm (kinda) new here and I know who Kirby2000 is, and therefore why that was a low-blow.

Generally, if someone's name comes up in that context (a thinly veiled version of "that guy sucked"), it's a fairly safe assumption to check the Banned list (filed under "Forum Leaders" on the bottom of the forum list for whatever reason). Then just use that handy "view all posts" or whatever link to view their past capers.

I'll save you the extra step and just redirect you to here (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=34189), although I don't recommend actually reading it if you respect the English language and the field of literature in general.

Green Spanner

12-17-2009, 07:00 PM

Generally, if someone's name comes up in that context (a thinly veiled version of "that guy sucked"), it's a fairly safe assumption to check the Banned list (filed under "Forum Leaders" on the bottom of the forum list for whatever reason). Then just use that handy "view all posts" or whatever link to view their past capers.

I'll save you the extra step and just redirect you to here (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=34189), although I don't recommend actually reading it if you respect the English language and the field of literature in general.

I've already read more than enough of Kriby2000's work in the past, thanks.

MasterOfMagic

12-17-2009, 07:02 PM

The next big thing is everyone remembering the glitter tag.
Oh god, what have you done!?

Fifthfiend

12-17-2009, 07:04 PM

You're a bad person. And for the next week I think I'm going to remind you of that.

Generally, if someone's name comes up in that context (a thinly veiled version of "that guy sucked"), it's a fairly safe assumption to check the Banned list (filed under "Forum Leaders" on the bottom of the forum list for whatever reason). Then just use that handy "view all posts" or whatever link to view their past capers.

I'll save you the extra step and just redirect you to here (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=34189), although I don't recommend actually reading it if you respect the English language and the field of literature in general.

I've already read more than enough of Kriby2000's work in the past, thanks.

Dance, puppets! Dance as your master pulls the strings!http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/awesome.gif

Green Spanner

12-17-2009, 07:05 PM

Oh god, what have you done!?

He's made this place fabulous!

Mr.Bookworm

12-17-2009, 07:05 PM

I've already read more than enough of Kriby2000's work in the past, thanks.

Yeeeeeah, wups. I misread that completely as I haven't read his works and thus need to be exposed like that guy in a trenchcoat in the mall parking lot.

Kyanbu The Legend

12-17-2009, 07:22 PM

The next big thing is everyone remembering the glitter tag.

There's a Glitter tag? XD

Osterbaum

12-17-2009, 07:39 PM

Glearly these are sparkles.

krogothwolf

12-17-2009, 09:07 PM

My eyes are hurting because of that crap :/ Even worse then the purple on black.

Bob The Mercenary

12-17-2009, 09:18 PM

Hmm, I wonder....

Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Magic_Marker

12-17-2009, 09:20 PM

krogothwolf

12-17-2009, 09:21 PM

Did you really have to quote the glitter box Magic, really?

Grimpond

12-17-2009, 10:19 PM

MY FUCKING EYES! GOD DAMNIT!!

Bob The Mercenary

12-17-2009, 10:22 PM

Fabulous

Seriously, look what you've done.

Nikose Tyris

12-17-2009, 10:32 PM

Fuck it, sigged.

krogothwolf

12-17-2009, 10:34 PM

I hate you Bob, I really hate you :(

and Nikose, did you really have to do that? Goddamn Glitter freaks! It's like a drug for you isn't it?

Wigmund

12-17-2009, 10:44 PM

Santa!
I think it looks all Christmasy.

Pity it doesn't flash in time with Wizards in Winter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkAhmH40kiM).

rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em

MasterOfMagic

12-18-2009, 02:03 AM

Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know, this one's half decent if you would have lined things up properly.

Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiler'd glitterbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Much better. Its like a....lighter night sky....or something.

EDIT: Too bad Wigmund one-upped you. Man.

rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em
rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em
rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em
rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em
rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em
rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em
rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em
rad-killing unicorn motorcycles are great, all the cool kids are doing em