FMA: Bros Before Hos to premiere on Adult Swim.

[Donomni]

Linky. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-04/adult-swim-to-debut-fullmetal-alchemist/brotherhood)

It's gonna be on the [AS] website, too, so pretty cool.

[Premmy]

Maybe this English Dub will let me follow it more closely, as I've found the series less engaging than the previous series and the manga.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Why does [adult swim] get all this good anime? It blows my mind that I only watch anime today because I liked Futurama like 10 years ago.

[Kerensky287]

I hope I wasn't the only person who saw the title and thought he was talking about a new spinoff series.

Still, that's good news. I've been trying to get around to watching Brotherhood - I saw some of the anime and read a whole bunch of the manga in one sitting. I might just wait around for the dub. I saw some of the subbed episodes already, but I prefer dubs if a good quality one is available (read: FMA is pretty much the only anime I know with good-quality dubs).

[Eltargrim]

Cowboy Bebop is the best dub that you'll ever watch.

That said, FMA wasn't bad. Brotherhood should hopefully command the same level of quality, given that I highly doubt that it will run longer than 50 episodes.

Srsly, we're in the endgame now. (Actual spoiler; very different from previous series) Pride aka SELIM BRADLEY is kickin' it real good, and I just know we'll get some Mustang REVOLUTION! happening sooner rather than later.

[Magus]

I think it's supposed to have mostly the same actors from the first anime's dub. Personally I'm not really very excited--I've been watching all the subbed episodes. I'll probably watch a couple just to see what the dub is like, though.

EDIT: Also it seems like Adult Swim has not had a new anime I like in like two years, I think the last one I liked was Death Note and I ended up watching it subbed. Now that I have better internet access I can't really see much reason to watch one dubbed episode of an anime a week when I can get a hold of all the subbed episodes.

Also I don't get Syfy channel, don't they have an anime night now? What anime are on it?

[Julford Hajime]

I always thought the Gundam series had good dubs as a whole, and pretty much anything on [AS] has a decent to good dub as well. Say what you will about the characters/story themselves, I thought the VAs in Inuyasha were good >.>

That said, Bebop's English dub is by far the bestest, most rad dub ever. Beats the original in every way. FLCL is arguably a great dub too, in the sense that understanding the language being spoken helped me comprehend all the insane shit going down at any given moment.

*Gets on topic*

I'm excited for this. I loved the first series, but lost interest in the manga (I read it too soon after watching the anime, and I lose interest quickly if I'm reading something I just watched recently; I really should get around to reading the manga again >.>). My bro watched the first five or so episodes subbed, said he was gonna wait around for the dub as the change in voices was buggin' him. Him and I'll probably make a point to sit down and watch this, since I'll actually be home next week.

[synkr0nized]

We have two stickies for the silliness that is subs and dubs and their discussions.

SyFy showed some effort with their Ani-Mondays, but their advertising for it has dropped away, seemingly to let it fade out. Perhaps anime fans really are terrible viewers like [as] has been saying and the ratings were poor enough that SyFy is focusing less on it.

[Premmy]

Anime viewers first learn about their favorites shows primarily through the internet, why would they stop just because it's on TV?

[Magus]

Their selection is so tiny, if a large segment of people don't like one of their shows their ratings are going to be really low. I don't like Bleach and I didn't give Code Geass a chance, so I personally haven't watched Adult Swim Saturday nights in something like a year and a half. Saying that "anime fans are terrible viewers" is kind of missing the point: a selection of, at best, 8 shows once a week is not enough to bring in enough anime fans, many of whom are so far ahead of the U.S. broadcast of said shows due to the internet. I mean, seriously, FMA: Brotherhood is on its 43rd episode, did they expect people who care enough about anime and that series to wait 43 weeks to watch it on American television once a week when they can access it on the internet 24 hours a day 7 days a week for the past six months? It's not surprising that the ratings for it are low, not to mention the entire Adult Swim idea of staying up until 2 in the morning to watch things is kind of a ridiculous idea in the first place, anyway. Luckily there is DVR now.

Basically, AS airs comedy programming every night of the week, and anime once a week, and then they even stick comedy programming on that night, too. Blaming the viewer is pointless when it seems obvious that the fault is with AS' dedication to anime, being near non-existent. They will say they cut back on their anime programming because viewership dropped off, but viewership probably dropped off because they cut back on their anime programming. I think it would be difficult to point out the real causation.

[Eltargrim]

Especially given they can watch Brotherhood with subs several days after it airs in Japan, entirely legally.

I mean, I'm not going to get into subs/dubs, but if someone really wants to watch it, and it's there legally, why the hell not?

EDIT FOR CLARITY: I'm not saying legally implying fansubbing, I'm saying legally because Funi is simulcasting it on their site, with subs.

For serious (http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=280).

PPS: Show is sexy in HD. That is all.

[Eldezar]

When I had television, the only night I did not watch AS was Saturday/Sunday. This is not because I didn't like the animes, but because in general I like watching shows with more serious storylines in the order which they are supposed to have been watched. I still have yet to see any stargate series because I have been too lazy to buy or acquire the show by other means.

[ZAKtheGeek]

When I had television, the only night I did not watch AS was Saturday/Sunday. This is not because I didn't like the animes, but because in general I like watching shows with more serious storylines in the order which they are supposed to have been watched. I still have yet to see any stargate series because I have been too lazy to buy or acquire the show by other means.
You might be overestimating Stargate here a bit, pal.

[Donomni]

Adult Swim is actually advertising this, for once. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOVpIZBXdV8&feature=player_embedded)

[Magus]

It's almost like they don't want it to fail before it even gets off the ground. I don't get it. Didn't they want more excuses to air reruns of Frisky Dingo instead of buying the rights to new properties?

[ZAKtheGeek]

Although, I think it's safe to say that reruns of Frisky Dingo are better than most of anything they'll ever show.

[Magus]

True 'nuff. Fine, reruns of Squidbillies/whatever people don't like.

[Donomni]

I'd assume Tim and Eric is the standard Adult Swim trolling response these days.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Thank God its getting dubbed! I tried to get into Brotherhood but watching it subbed was driving me crazy after one episode. I might put more effort into catching this one than I did with the first series.

[Donomni]

The series is also going up online on Wednesdays, which is how I'll be seeing it.

No cable woooooo.

[Locke cole]

Re-watched the 1st episode in preparation. Man I can't wait to see the dub.

I really like how the series doesn't just "forget" Isaac after the first episode. They flashback to all the foreshadowing he did, like thirty-odd episodes later.

[Premmy]

Well. I don't "Hate" the new Al, but I don't "Love" him either, he's, passable. everybody else is the same so it does'nt really matter.
Also
"Let's see your water Quench my fist!" I don't recall the sub translation being as awesome, was it?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

First ep was ****ing amazing! I can't believe I didn't bother to watch this anime sooner. Also I love the ending theme.

Can't stop listening to it.

[Premmy]

I can honestly say, that the way the early parts were handed really turned me off to this when it was in subs.
I get ther reasoning behind it, I just don't like it.

[Kim]

I can honestly say, that the way the early parts were handed really turned me off to this when it was in subs.
I get ther reasoning behind it, I just don't like it.

Yeah, best way to enjoy Brotherhood is to watch the first ep then watch until they get to the warehouse with the hollow armors in the original show the go back to Brotherhood from that point on.

[Aerozord]

friend of mine said the begining was horrible, but it generally got better as it moved on.

Doesn't suprise me, they had to go over things that we all knew years ago. Alot of the early suprises are completely lost like Al not having a body, ect. Though its nessicary, not everyone watching this will have seen the original.

I think tossing out Armstrong, Kimbley, and Bradly so early was a poor choice.

[Locke cole]

Well. I don't "Hate" the new Al, but I don't "Love" him either, he's, passable. everybody else is the same so it does'nt really matter.
Also
"Let's see your water Quench my fist!" I don't recall the sub translation being as awesome, was it?

"High-pressure water to cut through anything!"
*Isaac starts another salvo*
"It is all naught before my fist!"

Draw your own conclusions.

[Magus]

Ed voiced by a man was a change, anyway. Brought back watching the original show's dub and all that. Didn't they change Roy's VA too, as well as Al's?

[Julford Hajime]

My brother insisted that Roy's VA got changed, but I'm pretty sure it's still Travis Willingham (Though he did seem to be doing the voice... differently, I guess is the word).

A quick check through Google confirmed it for me.

[Locke cole]

So, the next episode has the human transmutation incident and The Truth. Should be fun to see how The Truth is voiced. (outside of that one line in the trailer, of course.)

[Aerozord]

I love The Truth, not only is there a conscience behind this crap, but he's also a total dick

[Premmy]

Ed voiced by a man was a change, anyway. Brought back watching the original show's dub and all that. Didn't they change Roy's VA too, as well as Al's?

Waaaaah!? he's always been voiced by a man, Vic Mignona.....

[Locke cole]

Speaking of Vic. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRq9Y4sMUMI&feature=related)

[Donomni]

Ed voiced by a man was a change, anyway. Brought back watching the original show's dub and all that. Didn't they change Roy's VA too, as well as Al's?

The only new VA's are Al's, Scar's, and the new character's.

[Premmy]

Scar better sound like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq-sVvmPcSU) or I'm going to kill some motherfucker..









PRAAAISE VAMPIYAH JEEE-SUS!

[Mike McC]

SyFy showed some effort with their Ani-Mondays, but their advertising for it has dropped away, seemingly to let it fade out. Perhaps anime fans really are terrible viewers like [as] has been saying and the ratings were poor enough that SyFy is focusing less on it.It's still there. They're showing Monster right now.

[Premmy]

It's still there. They're showing Monster right now.

But the advertising is somewhat nonexistant

[Magus]

Waaaaah!? he's always been voiced by a man, Vic Mignona.....

I meant in switching over from the subbed version I've been watching for 43 weeks now, where he's voiced by a woman, plus the fact that Mignona did the voice in the original dub which I also watched like, five years ago...so it was like deja vu. Ed sounds kind of unnatural to me in the Japanese version because I was so used to Mignona's English version, so it's like a blast from the past.

Man, I wish I had Syfy, I'd so be watching that there Monster. Maybe I can TiVo it at one of my relatives.

[Donomni]

It's on Hulu, mang. (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=37258)

The first 15 episodes, at least.

[ZAKtheGeek]

It occurs to me that FMA is a lot like Stand Alone Complex for kids. Am I right or am I crazy?

[Krylo]

It occurs to me that FMA is a lot like Stand Alone Complex for kids. Am I right or am I crazy?

You're crazy in that you're insinuating that SAC is intelligent. SAC isn't intelligent. SAC uses big words and literary references that make it SEEM intelligent to the unobservant, but at the end of the day the case is solved via the same Deus Ex Machina as Law & Order, CSI, or whatever other criminal investigation show you want to use that has had fun made of it over ridiculous Deus Ex Machina and/or unrealistic detective abilities being used.

It also has cyborgs, though, and cyborgs are cool.

So, if anything, SAC is Law and Order for kids.

[Premmy]

I thought Law and Order WAS for kids, well, kids and old people.
Edit:
and I object to the assumption that he could either right OR crazy.

[Magus]

Other than the cyborg limbs FMA and SAC are not very similar, what with one having magic and being a fantasy set in an alternate universe and SAC being science-fiction set in the future. Really, the similarities are not really there, though I suppose both pose the question of what defines a human, but for somewhat different reasons (Al would question his own humanity because he's a soul attached to armor, whereas the cyborgs of Ghost in the Shell are questioning it because their "soul" is computer data attached to a cyborg body).

[POS Industries]

So, if anything, SAC is Law and Order for kids.
My description of it was more "If Philip K. Dick wrote 24."

[Kyanbu The Legend]

You're crazy in that you're insinuating that SAC is intelligent. SAC isn't intelligent. SAC uses big words and literary references that make it SEEM intelligent to the unobservant, but at the end of the day the case is solved via the same Deus Ex Machina as Law & Order, CSI, or whatever other criminal investigation show you want to use that has had fun made of it over ridiculous Deus Ex Machina and/or unrealistic detective abilities being used.

It also has cyborgs, though, and cyborgs are cool.

So, if anything, SAC is Law and Order for kids.

Learning this again for the second time in life saddens me.

[ZAKtheGeek]

You're crazy in that you're insinuating that SAC is intelligent. SAC isn't intelligent. SAC uses big words and literary references that make it SEEM intelligent to the unobservant, but at the end of the day the case is solved via the same Deus Ex Machina as Law & Order, CSI, or whatever other criminal investigation show you want to use that has had fun made of it over ridiculous Deus Ex Machina and/or unrealistic detective abilities being used.

It also has cyborgs, though, and cyborgs are cool.

So, if anything, SAC is Law and Order for kids.
Y'all feisty.

I would think there is more to intelligence than "how the case is solved," but I'm also totally the wrong person to be talking to about this.

I didn't just mean it was dumbed down exactly (although it doesn't even pretend to be complicated and things are much more spelled out); it's also more cartoony and lighthearted. And instead of sci-fi, it's fantasy. Or a more fantastical sort of sci-fi, at least.

[synkr0nized]

It's not like it makes it less enjoyable.

Unless you were holding on to the idea that "blah blah blah let me talk for five hours" meant they were getting super deep and philosophical all the time, I guess.

[ZAKtheGeek]

You know, it seems like we have this assumption here like I'm somehow praising SAC or shit-talkin' FMA. I like FMA. GitS is kinda cool sometimes. I would definitely say I prefer FMA.

It's just an observation.

[Kerensky287]

You know, it seems like we have this assumption here like I'm somehow praising SAC or shit-talkin' FMA. I like FMA. GitS is kinda cool sometimes. I would definitely say I prefer FMA.

It's just an observation.

YOU CLAIMED FMA WAS FOR KIDS. I WILL FEED YOU YOUR INTESTINES.

[ZAKtheGeek]

YOU CLAIMED FMA WAS FOR KIDS. I WILL FEED YOU YOUR INTESTINES.
PLEASE DO. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND THEM SINCE I TRIED TO TRANSMUTE MY OWN GENITALS.

[Locke cole]

FMA... for kids?

Hmmm... Let me think back on what happens in this series...
Serial killings, orphans losing limbs because they tried to bring their mom back, bloody murder, a man turning his daughter into a horrible abomination to keep his job, more murder, revenge, further murder, that thing that Gluttony turns into, that thing that Envy turns into, that thing that Pride is... oh, and more murder.

Yeah. for kids!

[Magus]

I think they toned down the anime a bit, like Gluttony exploding was much less graphic in this anime than the manga if I remember correctly, less detailed guts and bones and so forth. But it's only really toned down as much as Japan tones stuff down. They're much more tolerant of violence and so forth in their prime time television than the U.S. is. So to say that FMA is a kids' show would be inaccurate but it's entirely possible that lots of kids watch it and its in more of a family-friendly time slot in Japan I believe. Or at least the first series was on at like 6:30 at night, not 1 in the morning.

I heard somewhere the the original FMA anime was targeted towards teenage girls because of the bishounen-looking main male character, but then since it was adapted from a shonen manga with a focus on lots of fighting and so forth it also attracted a strong male audience. For Japanese TV I'd say it's a fairly broad spectrum show. It's not really sophisticated to appeal to adults but it's not entirely stupid either. It's just entertaining.

[Aerozord]

anime is always less graphic then manga. Stuff is often cut, and on varying degrees. You will never see detailed gore in a shonen anime. Shonen manga, sure all the time. Gohan's fight with the Cell Jrs is the biggest example I know of

Anime: punches them, they turn to dust
Manga: punches them, their brain is blasted out of the other side of their skulls

[Magus]

Regarding the current anime episode (episode 47): I really have no idea how they're going to fit 20 chapters of material into, what, five episodes? If they're still aiming for the 52 episode cut-off.

No stupid movie, please. Add an extra season, please, BONES.

[Eltargrim]

Man, you're hoping this will be resolved without a movie? Fat chance. Everything is movies these days; Gundam 00, Eden of the East, Nanoha. Besides, they've already shown willingness to do a FMA movie after the series.

Be fair, the wait would suck, but the movie itself would be awesome. Last 20 chapters with high(er) budget? Yes please.

[Magus]

It's really the wait that gets me, and the idea that an anime should be ended with a movie instead of just more episodes. Plus the first FMA movie was kind of an add-on, even if it was extremely needed for closure, technically the anime has an "ending". I'm not sure what they could do for this series "ending", so it would basically be just a straight-up cliffhanger and then a long-ass wait for a movie. Besides which, I'm not even sure if five more episodes and a two-hour movie (the equivalent of four episodes) would be enough to cover everything. Specific fights and character deaths can't exactly be excised and there's like, a dozen left that we know of.

I'm presuming they cut off point would be when the fight for Central actually gets under way, but it's so long at this point I'm not sure it could be covered in two hours.

Plus the manga still hasn't been completed (seriously don't know why they didn't wait another year before creating this new anime, since incompleteness was what doomed the first one to WTFness).

[Premmy]

Plus the manga still hasn't been completed (seriously don't know why they didn't wait another year before creating this new anime, since incompleteness was what doomed the first one to WTFness).
The first one was perfectly fine as it's own thing, I don't feel it was incomplete, to me, it ended where it was supposed to.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Regarding the current anime episode (episode 47): I really have no idea how they're going to fit 20 chapters of material into, what, five episodes? If they're still aiming for the 52 episode cut-off.

No stupid movie, please. Add an extra season, please, BONES.

It's possible the rest will be covered in a series of OVAs/Movies If they do stick with that deadly line.

Japanese studios usually never were fond of longer runners when it came to anime.

[Eldezar]

Ok, I have only watched the first episode of FMA: BH so far, but I'm confused. Have they retconned a few things? Particularly the part where I am pretty sure they knew Hughes before Armstong. I mean, they delivered Hughes' baby (or, were present when it happened).

[Locke cole]

Ok, I have only watched the first episode of FMA: BH so far, but I'm confused. Have they retconned a few things? Particularly the part where I am pretty sure they knew Hughes before Armstong. I mean, they delivered Hughes' baby (or, were present when it happened).

Yeah, no that was only in the first anime.

In the manga they helped deliver a baby in Rush Valley.

[Eldezar]

I mean retconning between the two animes, not between the animes and the manga. I could have swore they were present at the birth of Hughes' kid in one of the first ten or so episodes of the first anime. The first episode of FMA: BH, however, shows that it is the first time they meet Hughes, and his daughter is already 2-3 years old. And I know for sure that they met Armstrong at least a whole season after Hughes, but apparently in FMA: BH they have known Armstrong for a decent amount of time.

[Julford Hajime]

I mean retconning between the two animes, not between the animes and the manga. I could have swore they were present at the birth of Hughes' kid in one of the first ten or so episodes of the first anime. The first episode of FMA: BH, however, shows that it is the first time they meet Hughes, and his daughter is already 2-3 years old. And I know for sure that they met Armstrong at least a whole season after Hughes, but apparently in FMA: BH they have known Armstrong for a decent amount of time.

Pretty much everything you said is true concerning the changes (I don't recall when they met Armstrong in the first anime, but otherwise yeah). Some things were changed around as far as who knew what people and when, including that Ed and Al don't meet Hughes till much later time-wise.

A few other events are different as well, so just sit back, relax, and forget everything you already knew about FMA. That's the easiest way to watch this, I think.

PS The episode that aired last Saturday, the one with Nina? Yeah, that episode was terrible. Like, it's still the Nina episode, but it completely lacked the impact of the first anime's. Especially the ending.

[Aerozord]

from what I can tell is they are condencing the episodes already done in the previous series. So kinda screws with pacing.

Though its not really retconning. Since the first series and this one are not the same continuity

[Premmy]

I mean retconning between the two animes, not between the animes and the manga. I could have swore they were present at the birth of Hughes' kid in one of the first ten or so episodes of the first anime. The first episode of FMA: BH, however, shows that it is the first time they meet Hughes, and his daughter is already 2-3 years old. And I know for sure that they met Armstrong at least a whole season after Hughes, but apparently in FMA: BH they have known Armstrong for a decent amount of time.

FMA:B is supposed to be closer to the original manga(supposed to be)
so, consider FMA:B as taking plac after the brothers have gotten started, wheras the first anime spent almost half a season telling their origin story, and thus slipped Hughes in that way.

[Magus]

The first one was perfectly fine as it's own thing, I don't feel it was incomplete, to me, it ended where it was supposed to.

I meant the massive changes to the plot and characters and universe came from the fact that the manga was incomplete. They should've waited until the manga was complete or to the point it's at now before starting the new anime, is what I meant.

As for the meeting Hughes in the new one, they weren't present at Hughes' child's birth, that's being confused with the Rush Valley birth which is in the new anime as well. The first time we see Hughes in the first anime is on the battle on the train, pretty sure, and there isn't any sort of flashback with Hughes or anything implying they were there when Elicia was born.

And the new anime didn't have the battle on the train episode at all, unfortunately, even though it's in the manga. They also skip the Youswell episode which is just rendered as a flashback like twenty episodes later...it's definitely condensed at the beginning, but then they started taking more time with each event in the episodes.

At least with FMA we know they will finish it one way or the other if they don't add more episodes. I remember watching Trinity Blood and it just basically ended on a "cliffhanger" to an extent with no movie ever materializing that I'm aware of.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I meant the massive changes to the plot and characters and universe came from the fact that the manga was incomplete. They should've waited until the manga was complete or to the point it's at now before starting the new anime, is what I meant.

As for the meeting Hughes in the new one, they weren't present at Hughes' child's birth, that's being confused with the Rush Valley birth which is in the new anime as well. The first time we see Hughes in the first anime is on the battle on the train, pretty sure, and there isn't any sort of flashback with Hughes or anything implying they were there when Elicia was born.

And the new anime didn't have the battle on the train episode at all, unfortunately, even though it's in the manga. They also skip the Youswell episode which is just rendered as a flashback like twenty episodes later...it's definitely condensed at the beginning, but then they started taking more time with each event in the episodes.

At least with FMA we know they will finish it one way or the other if they don't add more episodes. I remember watching Trinity Blood and it just basically ended on a "cliffhanger" to an extent with no movie ever materializing that I'm aware of.

I was glad I never bothered to finish Trinity Blood after learning that. I'm mostly alright with brotherhood's pacing.

[Premmy]

As for the meeting Hughes in the new one, they weren't present at Hughes' child's birth, that's being confused with the Rush Valley birth which is in the new anime as well. The first time we see Hughes in the first anime is on the battle on the train, pretty sure, and there isn't any sort of flashback with Hughes or anything implying they were there when Elicia was born.

They were there for Elicia's birth. Half of the first season was a flashback. He met Hughes on the train, on their way to take the State Alchemist's test, they went to Central, And were allowed to apprentice under Shou Tucker for a bit, then, on Ed's birthday, Elicia was born. The Rush Valley episode had no baby, it was all about Paninya

[KittenMittons]

bros before hos boys!

[Locke cole]

Brotherhood before motherhood.

[Magus]

On a related note, I think the manga is about to end (next month, maybe, if Arakawa doesn't milk it any further, but I forgive her since it has been an awesome milking) so at least they won't have to make up their own ending (thank goodness).

[Aerozord]

On a related note, I think the manga is about to end (next month, maybe, if Arakawa doesn't milk it any further, but I forgive her since it has been an awesome milking)

the fact she personifies herself as a cow leads to some disturbing imagery