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Tev
02-16-2010, 12:39 PM
Right so the article itself is like ten pages long so I'll just put up the highlights to it and you can read the rest here. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14texbooks-t.html?pagewanted=1) Long story short, the New York Times did a piece on how the Texas education system, being the #1 leader in determining what text books around the country look like, is basically rewriting history and science to suit the needs of the very Christian Fundamentalist majority of their board members.

Here's some snapshots:

Finally, the board considered an amendment to require students to evaluate the contributions of significant Americans. The names proposed included Thurgood Marshall, Billy Graham, Newt Gingrich, William F. Buckley Jr., Hillary Rodham Clinton and Edward Kennedy. All passed muster except Kennedy, who was voted down.

This is how history is made — or rather, how the hue and cry of the present and near past gets lodged into the long-term cultural memory or else is allowed to quietly fade into an inaudible whisper. Public education has always been a battleground between cultural forces; one reason that Texas’ school-board members find themselves at the very center of the battlefield is, not surprisingly, money. The state’s $22 billion education fund is among the largest educational endowments in the country. Texas uses some of that money to buy or distribute a staggering 48 million textbooks annually — which rather strongly inclines educational publishers to tailor their products to fit the standards dictated by the Lone Star State. California is the largest textbook market, but besides being bankrupt, it tends to be so specific about what kinds of information its students should learn that few other states follow its lead. Texas, on the other hand, was one of the first states to adopt statewide curriculum guidelines, back in 1998, and the guidelines it came up with (which are referred to as TEKS — pronounced “teaks” — for Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills) were clear, broad and inclusive enough that many other states used them as a model in devising their own. And while technology is changing things, textbooks — printed or online —are still the backbone of education.
The cultural roots of the Texas showdown may be said to date to the late 1980s, when, in the wake of his failed presidential effort, the Rev. Pat Robertson founded the Christian Coalition partly on the logic that conservative Christians should focus their energies at the grass-roots level. One strategy was to put candidates forward for state and local school-board elections — Robertson’s protégé, Ralph Reed, once said, “I would rather have a thousand school-board members than one president and no school-board members” — and Texas was a beachhead. Since the election of two Christian conservatives in 2006, there are now seven on the Texas state board who are quite open about the fact that they vote in concert to advance a Christian agenda. “They do vote as a bloc,” Pat Hardy, a board member who considers herself a conservative Republican but who stands apart from the Christian faction, told me. “They work consciously to pull one more vote in with them on an issue so they’ll have a majority.”
McLeroy makes no bones about the fact that his professional qualifications have nothing to do with education. “I’m a dentist, not a historian,” he said. “But I’m fascinated by history, so I’ve read a lot.”

“I consider myself a Christian fundamentalist,” he announced almost as soon as we sat down. He also identifies himself as a young-earth creationist who believes that the earth was created in six days, as the book of Genesis has it, less than 10,000 years ago. He went on to explain how his Christian perspective both governs his work on the state board and guides him in the current effort to adjust American-history textbooks to highlight the role of Christianity. “Textbooks are mostly the product of the liberal establishment, and they’re written with the idea that our religion and our liberty are in conflict,” he said. “But Christianity has had a deep impact on our system. The men who wrote the Constitution were Christians who knew the Bible. Our idea of individual rights comes from the Bible. The Western development of the free-market system owes a lot to biblical principles.”

“There are two basic facts about man,” he said. “He was created in the image of God, and he is fallen. You can’t appreciate the founding of our country without realizing that the founders understood that. For our kids to not know our history, that could kill a society. That’s why to me this is a huge thing.”
Many of the points that have been incorporated into the guidelines or that have been advanced by board members and their expert advisers slant toward portraying America as having a divinely preordained mission. In the guidelines — which will be subjected to further amendments in March and then in May — eighth-grade history students are asked to “analyze the importance of the Mayflower Compact, the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut and the Virginia House of Burgesses to the growth of representative government.” Such early colonial texts have long been included in survey courses, but why focus on these in particular? The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut declare that the state was founded “to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus.” The language in the Mayflower Compact — a document that McLeroy and several others involved in the Texas process are especially fond of — describes the Pilgrims’ journey as being “for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith” and thus instills the idea that America was founded as a project for the spread of Christianity. In a book she wrote two years ago, Cynthia Dunbar, a board member, could not have been more explicit about this being the reason for the Mayflower Compact’s inclusion in textbooks; she quoted the document and then said, “This is undeniably our past, and it clearly delineates us as a nation intended to be emphatically Christian.”
In the new guidelines, students taking classes in U.S. government are asked to identify traditions that informed America’s founding, “including Judeo-Christian (especially biblical law),” and to “identify the individuals whose principles of law and government institutions informed the American founding documents,” among whom they include Moses. The idea that the Bible and Mosaic law provided foundations for American law has taken root in Christian teaching about American history. So when Steven K. Green, director of the Center for Religion, Law and Democracy at Willamette University in Salem, Ore., testified at the board meeting last month in opposition to the board’s approach to bringing religion into history, warning that the Supreme Court has forbidden public schools from “seeking to impress upon students the importance of particular religious values through the curriculum,” and in the process said that the founders “did not draw on Mosaic law, as is mentioned in the standards,” several of the board members seemed dumbstruck. Don McLeroy insisted it was a legitimate claim, since the Enlightenment took place in Europe, in a Christian context. Green countered that the Enlightenment had in fact developed in opposition to reliance on biblical law and said he had done a lengthy study in search of American court cases that referenced Mosaic law. “The record is basically bereft,” he said. Nevertheless, biblical law and Moses remain in the TEKS.

And that's just five pages into the ten page report. These people are setting the standard of education for children in our country. I'm going to have kids some day that will be using these text books. Dammit.

Solid Snake
02-16-2010, 01:11 PM
...Hey, now. Thurgood Marshall kicked a lot of ass.
...The others on that list are kind of busts, but don't be knockin' on Marshall.

Tev
02-16-2010, 01:19 PM
...Hey, now. Thurgood Marshall kicked a lot of ass.
...The others on that list are kind of busts, but don't be knockin' on Marshall.Billy Graham beat out the late Senator Kennedy for historical recognition. Your children's text books will tell of how awesome Billy Graham was but not how influential Edward Kennedy was to the fabric of American politics.

Solid Snake
02-16-2010, 01:28 PM
...Honestly, I don't think either Ted Kennedy or Billy Graham deserve the recognition.

::runs from the hordes of Ted Kennedy lovers::

Tev
02-16-2010, 01:29 PM
*Double-post* (I'm allowed like one right?) EDIT: Scratch that, Snake saved me the trouble.

Actually Snake, I have a homework project for you. Explain to me how this works:

I had come to sit in on a guest lecture by Cynthia Dunbar, an assistant law professor who commutes to Lynchburg once a week from her home in Richmond, Tex., where she is a practicing lawyer as well as a member of the Texas board of education. Her presence in both worlds — public schools and the courts — suggests the connection between them that Christian activists would like to deepen. The First Amendment class for third-year law students that I watched Dunbar lead neatly merged the two components of the school’s program: “lawyering skills” and “the integration of a Christian worldview.”

Dunbar began the lecture by discussing a national day of thanksgiving that Gen. George Washington called for after the defeat of the British at Saratoga in 1777 — showing, in her reckoning, a religious base in the thinking of the country’s founders. In developing a line of legal reasoning that the future lawyers in her class might use, she wove her way to two Supreme Court cases in the 1960s, in both of which the court ruled that prayer in public schools was unconstitutional. A student questioned the relevance of the 1777 event to the court rulings, because in 1777 the country did not yet have a Constitution. “And what did we have at that time?” Dunbar asked. Answer: “The Declaration of Independence.” She then discussed a legal practice called “incorporation by reference.” “When you have in one legal document reference to another, it pulls them together, so that they can’t be viewed as separate and distinct,” she said. “So you cannot read the Constitution distinct from the Declaration.” And the Declaration famously refers to a Creator and grounds itself in “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.” Therefore, she said, the religiosity of the founders is not only established and rooted in a foundational document but linked to the Constitution. From there she moved to “judicial construction and how you should go forward with that,” i.e., how these soon-to-be lawyers might work to overturn rulings like that against prayer in schools by using the founding documents.

Eldezar
02-16-2010, 01:38 PM
Home schooling ftw.

Solid Snake
02-16-2010, 01:42 PM
EDIT: I be respectin' the no religion discussions now.

Amake
02-16-2010, 02:08 PM
It surprises me that someone apparently somewhat educated and reasonable can call themselves fundamentalist with a straight face. To look at the world in all its splendor and glory, absorb its millions of cultures, imagine that you know and love every single living person, and go "Yep, my way of life is superior to all the others, and I'm better than everyone else"; that takes balls.

Tev
02-16-2010, 02:11 PM
that takes balls.Balls are a chief export of Texas. They grow them big there. Also they have big belt buckles to protect them.

DFM
02-16-2010, 02:13 PM
Sorry, Tev, but Texas only has two exports, they aren't Balls and buckles.

Tev
02-16-2010, 02:19 PM
Country music and steak?

Ravashak
02-16-2010, 05:30 PM
Finally, the board considered an amendment to require students to evaluate the contributions of significant Americans. The names proposed included Thurgood Marshall, Billy Graham, Newt Gingrich, William F. Buckley Jr., Hillary Rodham Clinton and Edward Kennedy.These persons are what you're taught with History?
The only dutch-only 20th century event we were taught (that i can remember, it's been a while) in history was depillarization. I could name 6 Prime Ministers after the 2nd world war up 'till now, but what they achieved (and with the exception of the last 3, when)? no clue.

Guess we're taught things through countries instead of people (as an example: sure, the war started with Philips II and William the Silent as leaders, but i have no clue who the leaders were at the end of those 80 years of war)

Kyanbu The Legend
02-16-2010, 05:52 PM
Damn I really feel sorry for what my baby sister's going to have to go through.

Funka Genocide
02-16-2010, 05:53 PM
I'm pretty sure that religious discussion is still banned. Maybe I should check out the rules again though...

EDIT: Yeah there's still a rule on the books. I think the manner in which this has been presented is decidedly anti-religion and (personal opinion aside) is likely to lead to hurt feelings.

That's mah two cents.

Professor Smarmiarty
02-16-2010, 06:54 PM
There's a difference between saying "Religion is bad!" and "There are multiple religions out there and in a state which has freedom of religious belief as one of its tents you should not endorse one by filling public schools with it". Because what you are really saying is that every other religion is invalid/children can't believe in it which is a pretty central tenet of the constitution and nothing to do with the validity of any religion.

bluestarultor
02-16-2010, 07:21 PM
Plus, this thing is bullshit on the basis of separation of Church and State. As much as right-wing Christians would LOVE to legislate Christianity, it's supposed to not be possible. In practice, people are incredibly stupid and let them erode away at what's supposed to be objective learning.

Fuck, I'm a Roman Catholic and I think religion should stay out of the schools. You want that stuff, enroll your kid in a parochial school. Keep the public schools non-religious. You know, for the public.

Krylo
02-16-2010, 07:27 PM
Welp, this should be an interesting couple of years for the Supreme Court.

Really all I have to say about that.

bluestarultor
02-16-2010, 07:50 PM
Welp, this should be an interesting couple of years for the Supreme Court.

Really all I have to say about that.

Need I remind you we're running a conservative court right now? One that just pulled the limits on corporate campaign donations?

If they hear it, you can bet your buttons it's going to end up with every child under the age of 18 hearing about Jesus all day.


Edit: Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit, but my faith in the system isn't the strongest right now.

Aklyon
02-16-2010, 07:55 PM
my faith in the system isn't the strongest right now. neither is mine. (http://www.eff.org/issues/acta)

Oron
02-16-2010, 09:55 PM
Plus, this thing is bullshit on the basis of separation of Church and State. As much as right-wing Christians would LOVE to legislate Christianity, it's supposed to not be possible. In practice, people are incredibly stupid and let them erode away at what's supposed to be objective learning.

Fuck, I'm a Roman Catholic and I think religion should stay out of the schools. You want that stuff, enroll your kid in a parochial school. Keep the public schools non-religious. You know, for the public.

In that vein, our fine Texans in that article should read up on "Engel v. Vitale" - if a voluntary, non-denominational prayer got the boot, then I don't see religious education getting very far in public schools. This has Establishment Clause written all over it, especially since it seems to promote Biblical faith.

Welp, this should be an interesting couple of years for the Supreme Court.

Really all I have to say about that.

I guess the conservative justices might support this, the liberal justices wouldn't, I know zero about Justice Kennedy, and Sotomayor would possibly prove to be the liberal President Obama's hoping she is and vote against it.

Edit: I liked this line:
So when Steven K. Green, director of the Center for Religion, Law and Democracy at Willamette University in Salem, Ore., testified at the board meeting last month in opposition to the board’s approach to bringing religion into history, warning that the Supreme Court has forbidden public schools from “seeking to impress upon students the importance of particular religious values through the curriculum,” and in the process said that the founders “did not draw on Mosaic law, as is mentioned in the standards,” several of the board members seemed dumbstruck.

Premmy
02-16-2010, 10:44 PM
In that vein, our fine Texans in that article should read up on "Engel v. Vitale" - if a voluntary, non-denominational prayer got the boot, then I don't see religious education getting very far in public schools. This has Establishment Clause written all over it, especially since it seems to promote Biblical faith.

Any sort of Prayer would be religous, since quite a few religions don't pray in the same way, or even at all.

Oron
02-16-2010, 10:52 PM
Any sort of Prayer would be religous, since quite a few religions don't pray in the same way, or even at all.

Yep. That was the basis for the argument that 10 sets of atheist parents had when they objected to the prayer.

Premmy
02-16-2010, 10:55 PM
I was more disagreeing with the concept of a "non-Denominational" prayer.

Bob The Mercenary
02-16-2010, 11:28 PM
Plus, this thing is bullshit on the basis of separation of Church and State. As much as right-wing Christians would LOVE to legislate Christianity, it's supposed to not be possible. In practice, people are incredibly stupid and let them erode away at what's supposed to be objective learning.

Fuck, I'm a Roman Catholic and I think religion should stay out of the schools. You want that stuff, enroll your kid in a parochial school. Keep the public schools non-religious. You know, for the public.

With all the misuse of the term "Church and State" I almost kneejerked and called you out on it.

But, yup, that's exactly what it means. This kind of thing makes me sick, and I'm a Christian! In any other place you could usually rule this as a case of placating the minority via excluding the majority, but they're talking about schools.