View Full Version : Pokémon Umbral ~ Ruinous Origins Discussion 2
Astral Harmony
02-26-2010, 04:16 AM
I assume Menarker is referring to this:
http://ui17.gamespot.com/2512/motivator9334062_2.jpg
Anyways, I'm going to get to work on that response post now. And then I'm going to try and get my mind out of the gutter regarding hot Gardevoir action. I think I'll need a bullet. An exploding bullet.
...
I wonder which egg group humans fall into? Or catgirls? Damn it, Menarker, I hate you!
EDIT 1: Ah, that post didn't take long to type up. Congratulations, Charlotte. I think you'll only get a negligible talking to for your homocidal antics. I just hope you realize that this isn't the last time you'll see Shannon, and you may meet her again sooner than you think.
Geminex
02-26-2010, 05:26 AM
Impact's letting her keep the gun, so Shannon better watch out.
I think we just did the pokemon equivalent of rolling a 20. I like it. I will capitalize on it. Can I have a taser? Get in close, shock opponent, they get knocked out?
DanteFalcon
02-26-2010, 06:13 AM
I get the feeling that this is where Impact, Charlotte and Matthias are going to start having issues. God forbid the bug show concern.
Though I find some irony in the human not caring, the person with dogs (which can be associated as a caring person though not necessarily) is the one who fired the bullet and the hybrid is the only one who cares enough to check up on them.
Geminex
02-26-2010, 06:50 AM
Squads aren't fixed yet. If we conflict, Matt can always switch. Though it'd be much more fun if he stayed.
And my character's a bit more complex than he seems. When we're talking at HQ, more will be revealed.
Dracorion
02-26-2010, 07:28 AM
Aw, c'mon. Now I can't Dig through the roof and land in the slaughterhouse that would be the hallway without being completely stupid and irresponsible.
Thanks a lot AB. Jerk.
Menarker
02-26-2010, 10:55 AM
... At least I didn't suggest you to look up Ditto.
DON'T LOOK! EVEN MORE NSFW. BRAIN-BLEACH!
EDIT: And having that pic there every time I open the link is going to be distractingly interesting. ^^
Dracorion
02-26-2010, 11:03 AM
... At least I didn't suggest you to look up Ditto.
I hate you.
Naqel
02-26-2010, 11:44 AM
I hate you.
We all do. But we probably love him just as much.
Menarker
02-26-2010, 01:16 PM
^,^
That Ditto results when I saw it made me feel queasy when I thought of how people use Ditto to breed any pokemons they only got one of ingame.
Pokemon obviously has a wide range of this stuff from the above Gardevoir on one sexy extreme, the results of searching Ditto on a brain bleach extreme, and the infamous and unusual Skitty on Wailord action somewhere in the middle with mindboggling mechanics.
ANYHOW!
It looks like the entire sniping issue has been negated due to the parking lot group coming to a sudden stop. Once we finish off the electric trainer and the fire trainer is beaten, I guess we'll be fast-forwarding the plot!
Astral Harmony
02-26-2010, 02:37 PM
I'm giving Naqel to fast forward ahead so he can join us since Arcanum Darkfire has gone MIA, which is curious considering he now has that Heatran on his side.
I'm going to curse Menarker for getting me into looking up various kinds of female-ish Pokémon on Google Images, like Lopunny. Oh, and check it out, it's a real life Pikachu Pokébrid!
http://i32.tinypic.com/2rz8k5y.jpg
I think the caption to this picture was that I'd like to Lickilicky her.
Anyways, I'm going to check to see if there's sufficient posts (I'm hesitant to post unless I see six).
Menarker
02-26-2010, 02:49 PM
Well, you could make a smaller post dealing with the result of the roof-top situation. (Since Drac and I posted)
Anyhow, I'll be gone for the next 8 hours for work. ^^;
rapter200
02-26-2010, 04:09 PM
OK back from test related absence, I hate Business Stats with a passion, at least the professor is good. The material hates me though. Anyway quick question AB, can I turn back into my normal self to save those last two battle turns in paradigm shift or will those not be deducted while traveling so I can stay in Paradigm shift until two turn into my next battle.
Astral Harmony
02-26-2010, 04:19 PM
Yeah, you can revert and recharge early if you want.
Dracorion
02-26-2010, 06:06 PM
Would Sunny Day work indoors?
Geminex
02-26-2010, 06:15 PM
We can just blow a hole in the ceiling.
DanteFalcon
02-26-2010, 08:58 PM
It seems for the most part Impact and Matthias can actually get along to an extent so long as they both are proffessional about what's going on.
Geminex
02-26-2010, 09:58 PM
He's currently shell-shocked by the appearance of the butchered Machamp. He'd never associate with the likes of you, otherwise.
Astral Harmony
02-27-2010, 12:48 AM
Try to tolerate Rio and her music. She's got physical strength that would make you think she's a Fighting type Pokébrid.
Naqel
02-27-2010, 03:29 AM
Quad damages?
Isn't that impossible without having two-types...
Dracorion
02-27-2010, 09:03 AM
Hey Bard, AB said to only use one pokemon.
EDIT: And Rio is, what, some kinda dual-classed Slayer/Pokebrid?
Astral Harmony
02-27-2010, 01:49 PM
Rio and everyone like her are going to be special cases. She's not even a registered citizen, let alone a registered Pokémon trainer. There's no evidence of her being a Pokébrid, and she doesn't use Slayer weapons. Instead she uses her claws, beyond superhuman strength, and martial arts abilities to defeat enemies without all the strategy that comes with the Pokémon universe. Fortunately, she won't stay mysterious for very long, and she's a powerful ally, just what you'll need when fighting the Ruin Pokémon and those who wants to use them for evil.
And yes, Ruin Pokémon will take quad damage from Dragon type damage despite being only one type.
Anyways, today's my duty day and I don't have any time to type up a response post, but I will read what has been posted and make my response so that I can send it the moment I'm finally able to return.
Dracorion
02-27-2010, 07:44 PM
Mmmmm, Dragon/Ruin type...
Menarker
02-27-2010, 08:00 PM
Hehe, only pokemon with 6X weakness to an element. *Parasect with Dry Skin ability takes 5x damage by comparision*
I personally would prefer Ruin/Steel myself. Steel cuts down the weakness of dragon by a bit and resists a ton of other elements, and loses two of its weakpoints, ground and fighting. Also neutralizes the weakness to psychic and dark and steel and ruin type neutralizes fire. This in addition to reducing some other damages such as ice and water and grass in a manner similar to dragon types, giving it several quad resistances.
^_^
Naqel
02-27-2010, 08:26 PM
Hehe, only pokemon with 6X weakness to an element.
Weaknesses multiply, so it'd be a 8* weakness.
8* times the damage puts things into perspective.
Dracorion
02-27-2010, 08:30 PM
Throw in a STAB bonus and a Dragon Fang for sexiness.
If only there were some weather effect to boost dragon-type damage.
Menarker
02-27-2010, 08:39 PM
Sadly not, but if it was a team battle, you could get a pokemon to do "Helping Hand" to increase the power of a different pokemon's attack by 50%.
Geminex
02-27-2010, 11:26 PM
God dammit. All my weapons for Steel, Dark and Dragon are melee. The only ranged ones I have are Ghost and Psychic. There go my fantasies of being a gun-toting badass...
Dracorion
02-28-2010, 12:53 AM
Rio and everyone like her are going to be special cases.
You mean Rio and the rest of the Kimonos, right?
God dammit. All my weapons for Steel, Dark and Dragon are melee. The only ranged ones I have are Ghost and Psychic. There go my fantasies of being a gun-toting badass...
Being a sword-toting badass is cooler anyway.
Geminex
02-28-2010, 01:12 AM
Nah, going in and slashing stuff isn't Impact's style. He's much more of a "Pick off your opponents with accurate fire and watch them bleed out after crippling them" sort of guy. Hence my desire to get a Scouter that'll increase my special attack.
Unless whatever upgrade Impact gets will also include ranged dragon-type weapons.
rapter200
02-28-2010, 03:49 AM
Wow this sucks, me being Rock Ground means I stand no chance when put face to face with these guys. I mean I picked the worst possible typing when it comes to ruin pokemon, oh well, that wont stop Isaac hard headedness all to much. I'll post in when I wake up tomorrow. right now I need some sleep.
Menarker
02-28-2010, 10:10 AM
Don't Pokebrids get access to TM moves though? I'm pretty sure there are some super effective moves that are possible for Rhyperior.
rapter200
02-28-2010, 12:16 PM
Oh I am sure as well but I am talking about the fact that they could probably OHKO me if I don't paradigm shift.
Geminex
02-28-2010, 10:51 PM
Though I totally see what AB did har. A little thing called balancing. Ice, Fighting and Earth are the strongest offensive elements, all of them deal double damage to at least 4 types. Guess which elements aren't effective against Narcham. Yep. Ruin's other two resistances, fire and rock do double damage to 3 and 4 types respectively.
Same with elements that do extra damage to narcham. Dragon only deals double damage to itself. Only suddenly it deals quadruple damage to Ruin, all the more reason to use it. Same with the other four, all of which dealt double damage to only two types, until ruin came along.
And the the types that Ruin attacks are especially effective against pretty much follow the same scheme. Common offensive elements are discouraged. Fighting types get utterly screwed, same with ice types.
Clever bastard.
It'll be fun to see how people set up their teams and movesets now that things have been turned around. The only thing that annoys me is that the weapon I've been thinking of asking for (a dual-feed heavy rifle that can fire cryogenic or HV rounds, with an attached flashbang launcher) will now have to be scrapped.
Menarker
02-28-2010, 10:54 PM
*Insert rest of insightful post*
It'll be fun to see how people set up their teams and movesets now that things have been turned around. The only thing that annoys me is that the weapon I've been thinking of asking for (a dual-feed heavy rifle that can fire cryogenic or HV rounds, with an attached flashbang launcher) will now have to be scrapped.
It is neat to note, and it will be interesting to see how people react to this. However my pokemon build was somehow quite suitable before I even learned of Ruin types and even with its revelation, it doesn't cause that much of a stir for me. ^^ Guess I chose well from the very beginning.
Also, it's true that dragon only does double damage to itself normally, but it also has the benefit that only steel types resists it, so it's basically like a normal type attack that isn't resisted by rock or ghost type. So it's good for reliability because so few types resist it.
But yeah, I imagine people will be scrambling asking for the right to either get a pokemon that is ruin type (Dibs on ruin/steel for me!) or a pokebrid or weapon based on it.
Question. If we do get the rights/chance to get ruin type pokemons, will they have the same sort of moves that the Narcham and its evolved form has at the moment? They are so much more powerful than standard moves such as double lowering two stats with high high power and chance for confusion or a OHKO move with 40 accuracy instead of 30 or the "Hit all enemies on field", and other such powerful stuff.
Will any of the current pokemons especially the ones reknown for having a super diverse movepool be able to learn these moves (if there is a invented TM for them) or something like that. Highly doubt it, but figured I would ask. Heck, hardly any different from Rhyperior being able to use dragon moves or Togekiss being able to use moves from 15 element type (16 if you count Toxic for poison although no direct damage poison moves).
Astral Harmony
03-01-2010, 01:50 AM
Whew, finally home. I'll catch up now, promise.
I'm not clever at all. I simply looked at my type guide in this here strategy guide and started looking at what was effective against what. Y'see, Fighting and Ground types are effective against five different types of Pokémon, so I decided to make those types completely ineffective against Ruin types. Additionally, Dragon type damage is only effective against one other type, which is why I made it super-dee-duper effective against Ruin types. Steel, Dark and Ghost types are only effective against two types each, so I made those effective against Ruin types. I know that Normal isn't super effective at anything and Poison is effective against only one type, but I decided not to do anything about those.
God dammit. All my weapons for Steel, Dark and Dragon are melee. The only ranged ones I have are Ghost and Psychic. There go my fantasies of being a gun-toting badass...
Reminds me of the game Breakdown, where you couldn't hurt the T'lan soldiers with guns or even grenades and instead had to take them on with your own T'langen powers and martial arts. I loved fighting Solus, the T'lan champion. One of my favorite boss fights, ever.
You mean Rio and the rest of the Kimonos, right?
Indeedy I do, though the pervy, muscular party girl Rio and the hotheaded, egotistical showoff Kirie will be the only ones who rely on incredible strength as their method of killing.
Dracorion
03-01-2010, 01:56 AM
Where the hell'd you get them from anyway? They're not the Kimonos from the games.
DanteFalcon
03-01-2010, 01:57 AM
Frankly in terms of poison being effective against one type, most of poison's attacks aren't direct damage. And debatably it's best attack is toxic and the only type immune to that is Steel.
Geminex
03-01-2010, 02:08 AM
I'm not clever at all. I simply looked at my type guide in this here strategy guide and started looking at what was effective against what. Y'see, Fighting and Ground types are effective against five different types of Pokémon, so I decided to make those types completely ineffective against Ruin types. Additionally, Dragon type damage is only effective against one other type, which is why I made it super-dee-duper effective against Ruin types. Steel, Dark and Ghost types are only effective against two types each, so I made those effective against Ruin types.
Yah, that was pretty much exactly what I assumed in my post. What does your position in the Navy involve?
As for fighting Ruin...
I suppose I could just get a super-powered exosuit...
Astral Harmony
03-01-2010, 03:01 AM
I calibrate electronics, which basically means I test their functions to make sure they're working exactly the way they're supposed to. 'Cause electronics that work right despite having warranties that expired before I was even born (and I'm 27 years old if you can believe that shit) help save the military money and can give the accurate readings and proper warnings that keep a ship running and its shipmates still alive.
I know it's an important job and all, but it's still a soul-crushingly boring one.
And the Kimonos have evolved as characters even outside the games. I've fleshed out their personalities in my mind where they're pretty much taken up permanent residence whether I like it or not. White Kimono Tsubasa the workaholic who cares about her friends. Green Kimono Kirie with her cocky attitude, obsessed rivalry with Tsubasa, and giant, burning sword. Violet Kimono Rio who loves innuendos, flirting, and can't stay away from a party or a fight to save her life. Blue Kimono Kiyoka who is Rio's lover, loves tinkering with machines both big and small, and gets violently jealous when Rio is coming on to someone else. Brown Kimono Takano who sings with a voice so beautiful and strikes with a true hunter's accuracy, but has a vocabulary and drinking habit that puts sailors to shame. Black Kimono Chizuru who is the most feminine, most well-endowed, loves housewife-y chores like cooking and cleaning and desires a wonderful husband and huge family. Yellow Kimono Mika who always has her face buried in magical tomes and isn't very sociable with anyone and never explains her motives, ever. Orange Kimono Nyoka who is a catgirl cyborg built by Mika and Kiyoka that uses an impossibly big laser cannon and superhuman abilities to obliterate the most durable opponents. Grey Kimono Fujiko who abused demonic rituals to obtain ultimate beauty and power and ended up becoming a horrid arachnid monster who is constantly plotting nefarious deeds that never seem to work. And Red Kimono Shizuka who leads them and is very quiet and reserved, but extremely lethal and fast with her katana.
And that's the Fanservice Power Rangers-I mean Kimonos.
Geminex
03-01-2010, 05:24 AM
Now just make a theme song out of that, and you'd be good to go into the national media. I'm sure that'd make an awesome anime.
What ships d'you work on? Actual high-seas vessels (Arleigh-Burkes, Ticonderogas, that sort of thing), or more patrol boats?
Arcanum
03-01-2010, 11:37 PM
Sweet zombie Jesus on a pogo-stick. I'm away from the forums for a couple of days and this thing is still moving along at a fast pace. I'll try to catch up, but with midterms looming I'm not too sure how likely that'll happen. So I'm gonna go ahead and slink away into the shadows, and if you're lucky then the lone snagger will return in the most epic of fashions. Or it'll be something lazy like Mike claiming he had the "flu" or something like that.
Astral Harmony
03-02-2010, 01:58 AM
The flu? That's all Mike had? Hell, I've toughed flus out before, no medicine or nothing. It's definitely not a fun experience, but it's doable.
And feel free to return whenever you like. In fact, the signups didn't close when the game started, so to all you new people lookin' in, feel free to ask questions 'n' shit about how to join in the Pokémon-stomping misadventures.
As for me, the ship I'm on is one of the bigger ones, but it just doesn't feel big. Mainly because I see other ships pull into the port, some military, some civilian cruiseliners that are far larger.
Geminex
03-02-2010, 11:06 PM
I think I know where you are. ^^
But anyway... Tactical discussions in the middle of battle do seem somewhat out of place, don't they?
...
I'll probably have Impact talk to Rayleen about getting an officer onto the team, who'll then make the tactical calls.
...
No prizes for guessing whom he'll nominate...
DanteFalcon
03-02-2010, 11:27 PM
Not like we have a large number of options. The way I see it our officer options are...
Impact: Pro: He has tactical knowledge and can make intelligent calls mid-combat.
Con: Racist against Pokemon/Pokebrids (don't be a hater)
Rayleen: Pro: Intelligent!
Con: Controlled by AB! (No offense AB but that's like asking to be led into a trap)
Pierce: Pro: Doesn't really have a vendetta against anyone else on the team and still has good ideas
Con: Perhaps a bit too cautious
Matt: Pro: He's not a complete idiot and is willing to take the front lines if worst comes to worst.
Con: The man uses poison and prefers to manipulate. How many people like that are trustworthy?
Geminex
03-02-2010, 11:34 PM
Well, I don't really think Rayleen's an option, since, yeah, AB-controlled. Posts once per day. Long posts, with lots of effort, that're really fun to read, but still, once per day. I think the officer would be a good idea because we'd avoid having the kinds of discussion we're having at the moment. He could just give orders mid-battle to adapt to changing circumstances. We'd still vote on the initial strategy during the briefing, but anything mid-battle would be decided on by the officer.
Also, Impact hasn't actually said anything against pokemon yet. He will if someone else gets picked (Something along the lines of "You expect me to take orders from this *Explicitive*!?). Also, he's not entirely racist. It shall be explained.
Arcanum
03-03-2010, 12:29 AM
Epic return! And I decided to go with a more reasonable spontaneous explanation as to why Mike mysteriously stopped fighting. Hooray for character development! Also I don't plan for the chronic migraines to be as severe of a problem in future missions. Mike just forgot to take his usual meds before the mission, and he got too worked up during the battle which triggered the migraine (blame it on the Heatran!).
But yeah, I'm back much sooner than I anticipated. I ended up finding myself with a nice chunk of free time, and decided to catch up with the RP instead of playing Borderlands, or AvP, or Peggle(screw PopCap and their digital cocaine!).
Astral Harmony
03-03-2010, 01:23 AM
I think I know where you are. ^^
Signature Technique...Restraining Order Field! Can't get me now, ya stalkin' bastard!
Now, if I did have to nominate an officer, it'd probably be Renny (Menarker) or Impact (Gimenix) since you two seem the most available to post. Pierce and Isaac also have a good chance, Isaac for being a kickass Rhyperior Pokébrid and Pierce because I banged his mom...
...Laugh, somebody.
As for Mike's return, I'll let you keep that Heatran for the next mission. Consider it part of the Snagger's upgrade package, given out early.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 01:59 AM
I certainly wasn't expecting to be nominated as an officer. ^^
Hehe, I just imagined the Sharpedo "officer promotion test" as a mock X-Men Danger Room with nominated officers being told to lead a computer generated team that has roughly the same abilities (pokemons and such) as the rest of the team through a mission.
Additional drama to be had for anyone who passes the simulated test, but struggles to actually be a good officer in the "real world" due to lack of charisma or social know-how or whatnot. Doubly true if such a person would actually be a good leader or commander if his/her team-mates actually followed him/her faithfully.
Ah well. :3 I kinda doubt it would be implemented/practical in any manner other than character development or plot point, but it would still be nifty in that regards.
Astral Harmony
03-03-2010, 02:30 AM
Post is ready. Eat that, biznatches.
If you want some tactics, note that the Omnisroth's ability is Filter, which minimizes the damage received from super-effective moves. Y'all may wanna deal with the Narchams and Pulverots first despite the punishment you'll suffer from Omnisroth in the meantime.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 02:56 AM
... Son of a bitch... (Directed to no one in particular)
This is going to require some really clever tactics... I imagine you guys got some ideas of your own, but here is two of mine.
My best idea is to get my Togekiss weaken so that it is at low health (probably best to do so outside the room by having a team-mate weaken it a tiny bit and using Substitute), use Endevour to set a foe of my choice to that amount of health and have someone else do the finishing blow. Revive if it gets knocked out. Repeat. Say that my Togekiss only has about 5% of health left. After using Endevor on a foe, that foe will have 5% health left regardless of whether it had 6% health or 100%.
Next best situation in my mind is Matthias uses Confuse Ray, Pierce's Starmie uses Thunder Wave, and my Togekiss attacks with Air Slash (It's ability Serene Grace gives it a 60% chance of flinching a foe instead of the normal 30%). 50% to get confused, 25% of paralysis and 60% chance of being flinched. Togekiss repeats every turn, (It has Metronome so it'll get more powerful every turn... if it lasts that long) Matthias uses Toxic perhaps, and everyone else can beat down on Pulverot and Narchams.
But yeah, a god damn tough situation.
Geminex
03-03-2010, 02:59 AM
See my post.
See. See Impact get desparate. See him putting his prejudice aside in favor of persuading his teammates to follow his plan.
And regarding the officer issue, wouldn't there be a vote or some such?
Menarker
03-03-2010, 03:11 AM
I'd imagine that it won't come to a vote since everyone is in some way a mercenary and the pokemon users only true responsibility is to their pokemons. If an order from an officer doesn't reflect the well-being of their pokemon or make the best use of their skill, it's entirely possible it won't be followed. I somehow think the role of an officer would be something different from issuing commands. (Trainers and snaggers would be picky about specific orders since they are the ones who choose the pokemon's battle plan in the first place via choosing items and moves). At best, an officer would debrief a situation and suggest the course of action intended and hope the trainers build their moves based on that.
Anyhow, delaying my post until a few others post ahead, just in case it looks like my suggestion is followed. Impact did approve/suggest status affliction even asking Matthias to maybe use confusing attacks or toxic like in my plan. Otherwise, I'll see if I can prepare the other plan.
DanteFalcon
03-03-2010, 03:53 AM
Toxic would be the most intelligent starter. I unfortunately don't have confuse ray but between confusion and supersonic and stun spore I should be able to keep the biggun irritated.
Geminex
03-03-2010, 04:01 AM
Nice. Also, useful. Toxic does an increasing percentage of damage, doesn't it? That'll be... usefull.
it's entirely possible it won't be followed.
I can't really imagine the officer's orders not being followed. I mean that's the entire point isn't it? When conditions change and factors that haven't been planned for appear, somebody needs to coordinate the team's efforts and try to have everyone working towards the same goal. The officer really wouldn't have much of an effect on the initial briefing and moveset, we'd still agree on our plan by way of discussion and trainers would equip according to that, but when there's suddenly unforseen consequences, someone needs to make the call on how to react to that without the team having a discussion mid-battle. Hence my idea that we have an officer.
And yes, I'm obviously seeing Impact in the role of said officer, but if he were to get picked to take this noble office, his interference in standard battle would be minimal unless something goes wrong.
Edit:
Aaaand rereading this post, I do sound a little competitive about the entire thing, don't I? I assure you, that's not the case. If we do get an officer, Rayleen (and, through her, AB) can determine the amount of authority and discretion an officer has, when one's elected said individual can choose how much of this authority to actively use. If someone other than Impact gets the officer's spot, he'll be pissed as hell, particularly if it's anyone other than Rayleen (due to, you know, the humiliation of taking orders from a trainer, or worse, a pokebrid). I, however, will not.
That will be all.
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 09:55 AM
Pierce and Isaac also have a good chance, Isaac for being a kickass Rhyperior Pokébrid and Pierce because I banged his mom...
...Laugh, somebody.
Pierce's mom is dead, so it's really just deeply disturbing.
Additional drama to be had for anyone who passes the simulated test, but struggles to actually be a good officer in the "real world" due to lack of charisma or social know-how or whatnot. Doubly true if such a person would actually be a good leader or commander if his/her team-mates actually followed him/her faithfully.
Aw c'mon, this just screams "Pierce".
Also, Pierce isn't nearly cautious enough. He severely underestimated just how powerful these things are. Now that they're in the vault, he's gonna do his best to overestimate them.
As for my post, I'm going to wait a little bit for some feedback on this. How about Tyranitar uses Blizzard, Rachel and Charlotte's Manetric use Discharge, and Matthias poisons and confuses the Omnisroth. That way we can freeze and paralyze most of them, and the Slayers have the option of hacking away at any Narchams left with Dragon Slaves or using their LH Launchers to help with freezing.
If we want Tyranitar's Sand Stream to whittle away at them too, then great, but it'd seriously screw over Matt, whom we're relying on to poison and confuse the largest threat. That's really the only problem with my strategy. The only way to clear Sandstorm is Sunny Day, and that also screws Matt. The problem could be partially solved by having Rachel fetch a Charti Berry for Matt. But only partially.
Or if this is too much trouble, I simply call Starmie and start Thunder Wavin' left and right.
How many rounds of Paradigm Shift does Matt have left anyway?
Arcanum
03-03-2010, 10:52 AM
Well I agree with Impact's "wipe out the little guys real quick first" plan, especially considering the Gendom generates a new Narcham every round. Plus we don't know how quickly they can fuse together and evolve, so the more Narcham there are, the greater the risk that we'll have to fight a fifth Pulverot.
As for Mike, I could have him either use Dragonite or Charizard to help clean up the Narchams and Pulverots, or I can toss out Heatran and have her help distract the Omnisroth by throwing a Magma Storm on it. It wouldn't really be effective attack-wise, but raging fire/magma pillars right in your face sounds like a pretty good distraction.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 11:40 AM
@Pierce: Only problem with the freezing idea is that it's such a low chance and Ruin type resists Ice so you're hoping for a low chance of something to happen when the damage that comes with it is piddling (And isn't Ruin type effective on rock types?). Also, Discharge would shock all the team-mates too and risk paralyzing them too while also being resisted. I would suggest the Starmie idea (which I also advocated as well).
EDIT: Anyhow, I'm thinking of going along with the Endevor idea, since its a faster way to get rid of that juggernaut and thus get rid of the Genom and clean up from there.
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 11:47 AM
@Pierce: Only problem with the freezing idea is that it's such a low chance and Ruin type resists Ice so you're hoping for a low chance of something to happen when the damage that comes with it is piddling (And isn't Ruin type effective on rock types?). Also, Discharge would shock all the team-mates too and risk paralyzing them too while also being resisted. I would suggest the Starmie idea (which I also advocated as well).
EDIT: Anyhow, I'm thinking of going along with the Endevor idea, since its a faster way to get rid of that juggernaut and thus get rid of the Genom and clean up from there.
Well, I did make a few assumptions. First, Dormond froze a Narcham with Ice Beam before, so we know it's possible to freeze them. And Blizzard and Ice Beam both have the same freezing chance. Yeah, Tyranitar would be taking super effective damage, but we have the initiative so it could get off one Blizzard, two if we're lucky next round.
As for Discharge, I didn't actually check to see if it hits everyone, since I remember Charlotte's Manetric using it before and hitting only enemy pokemon. But yeah, nevermind. It should hit everything.
The problem with the Endeavor idea is that it means two people have to step away from the fight and leave everyone to get fucked while they take God knows how many rounds trying to not kill Togekiss. And we don't have HP bars to help us figure out when to stop.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 12:22 PM
Hence why I posted, withdrawing Renny and his pokemon from combat. It's too risky to hope that Togekiss can not be targetted by the enemy or with Syncstrike. It'll just take one turn to get set up, since Renny isn't using the same space as the rest of the group, he can summon two pokemon. One can hit Togekiss and Togekiss got his own self-damaging technique with a benefit. (While not being affected by any combat damage)
EDIT: I only just noticed Dante's list of ideal officers up above. Since AB hinted that I would be a good candidate (even if only for the frequency I post), I'll do my own pro and con.
Renny
Pro:
Totally friendly. (Anti-Impact in a way)
Has good ideas. (Pierce resigned himself to following Renny's ideas since he admitted incharacter it was better).
Capable of staying in front due to pokemons having considerable resistances while not lacking in the offensive. (Rayleen complimented Swampert's slaughter. Pokemon team having tons of resists and immunities to swap in as the situation calls for.)
Experienced trainer (Knows about pokemon tactics and moves, thus making him a good choice to command those who actually wield pokemon or have pokemon abilities. His movesets were powerful and yet varied enough to not be near useless when Ruin type was unveiled.)
Con:
Many of the disadvantages of being "young and cute" such as not having overall respect of those older than him.
Probably a bit timid (or rather he is easily shocked and dismayed when a situation escalates above expected danger.)
Astral Harmony
03-03-2010, 02:13 PM
I think I overdid it with all those Pokémon at once, so here's an interesting tactic you may want to consider:
If a Pokémon intends to do a Syncstrike the next round, I'll indicate it on the current round. If you can deal enough Psychic-type damage (other damage types will help, but Psychic especially) to the target Pokémon, then you'll cause what I'll call a Synchronization Crush, causing the Pokémon to forfeit both Syncstrike and its own attack for that turn. Against the Omnisroth, this could very well be crucial.
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 02:18 PM
I think Matt is the only guy on the team with psychic-type moves.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 02:24 PM
Hehe, I imagine that if Omnisroth tries to use Syncstrike next turn, and I hit it with Endeavor then, then being reduced to such low hit points all at once is going to cause it to be Crushed. ^^
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 02:26 PM
Well that might work.
Throw in a Psychic and a Dragon Slave combo to be sure.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 02:28 PM
^^ Sounds good. With any luck, it'll be knocked out then and there. A dragon slave and a psychic attack when it only has at most 10% hitpoints would be sure to be awesome, even if it has filter to reduce the damage somewhat. ^^
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 02:30 PM
Then we just have to deal with four Pulverots and I forget how many Narchams and all their Syncstrikes.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 02:32 PM
Yes. It'll still be a hassle, but it'll be doable, especially since we can get rid of the Genom right after getting rid of Omnisroth, thus preventing it from using its buffing techniques and Narcham generating ability.
EDIT: You think our Snagger could try to catch Omnisroth after Endeavor is used? 10% or lower hitpoints might be possible for catching, plus the pokeball will paralyze and damage a bit if it fails. It'll come back fully healed which would be useful as a meatshield and using its syncstrike to attack all foes.
Are Ruin types pokemon resistant to ruin type moves like how fire type is resistant to fire, neutral like how fighting is neutral against fighting, or super effective like how dragon is effective against dragon?
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 02:40 PM
Sure, let's give him a chance to do that. Maybe still hit the Omnisroth with Psychic to weaken it a bit more.
I'll go with Starmie and Thunder Wave some Pulverots. And, I dunno, maybe Matt can try to confuse Omnisroth?
Menarker
03-03-2010, 02:43 PM
Well, if we're going to hit Omnisroth with Psychic, Matt isn't going to be confusing anyone, since he's the only one with a psychic move according to you.
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 02:44 PM
Well, if we're going to hit Omnisroth with Psychic, Matt isn't going to be confusing anyone, since he's the only one with a psychic move according to you.
I was thinking confuse > Endeavor > Psychic.
Menarker
03-03-2010, 02:45 PM
Ah, I see. Using a confuse move during the turn I'm prepping Togekiss. That makes sense.
Bard The 5th LW
03-03-2010, 04:26 PM
Sorry if I sort of busted up some tactics there, but I felt that was simply a good way to start off. Considering the Omnisroth is the most powerful thing on the field, I just decided it was a smart thing to take it down by half its health before anything else happens. Now that the playing field is more even, it shouldn't prove that difficult to just throw some powerful attacks at it and down it in like 2 turns.
As for me, I think Impact would prove a better leader through sheer detachment. He is more willing to make an amoral move to make things more simple for everyone. Although that can be a con in and of itself. It just comes down mostly to a character's moral compass.
DanteFalcon
03-03-2010, 04:30 PM
In regards to the questions thrown to me
Paradigm shift: 4 rounds left. Keep in mind I have to sacrifice a turn to do it so it would be more intelligent to get off any status effects first and hopefully to Sync Crush just before.
As for the status effects: Best move to start is as stated before toxic because it's a six turn kill (using game mechanics that is) and we have no idea how hard the omnisroth is going to be to kill.
For other statuses I can do stun and sleep reliably. Confusion is entirely about luck with me due to a lack of confuse ray. Otherwise yes I'll psybeam and psychic things like nuts.
Oh and Sunny day doesn't -entirely- screw me over due to my opponents lack of fire moves. It does let me solarbeam every round.
Bard The 5th LW
03-03-2010, 04:43 PM
Solar beam every turn you say? That could benefit me, considering Buck also has solar beam in his current moveset, along with several fire moves sunny day could use. Although its up you, since it will bring some pain down on Matt.
DanteFalcon
03-03-2010, 04:48 PM
Well depending on how the match is going. If I want it out Matt can use Sunny Day himself.
Dracorion
03-03-2010, 07:42 PM
I was referring to the whole "environment affects morale" thing we have going on in this RP when I was talking about Sunny Day.
These things are primarily going to be going down to statuses, and since Matt is going to be our status dealer, we want to minimize any factors going against him.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 12:36 AM
Sorry if I sort of busted up some tactics there, but I felt that was simply a good way to start off. Considering the Omnisroth is the most powerful thing on the field, I just decided it was a smart thing to take it down by half its health before anything else happens. Now that the playing field is more even, it shouldn't prove that difficult to just throw some powerful attacks at it and down it in like 2 turns.
I just came back home from work and I'm shocked and dismayed...
>_> You sure busted up my plan. Your plan was to reduce it to 50% and then either try again or get others to beat down on it. My plan was to reduce it to 10ish% in one attack which also allows for either snagging or plain knocking out before it can get the chance to focus on anyone to retribute. It hardly mattered if it had full hit points on the first turn if you could get it down to 0% faster or safer.
Ah well. Little point worrying now. It should hopefully be ok ultimately.
Geminex
03-04-2010, 01:54 AM
Shouldn't be too much of a problem. Though wait, if all attacks hit, so far, we've got... what...
1 Pulverot paralyzed, possibly unable to act next turn
Omnisroth on half health, badly poisoned
2 Narcham probably dead (1 by Impact, one by heatran)
I'm hoping Isaac's Rhyperior can somehow stop one of the Pulverots from acting. Since pokebrids have all TM moves, I think he could use swagger on one of the Pulverots. That'd be a somewhat double-edged sword (cause of its doubled attack stat), but its sync-strike attack uses special, and in any case we could kill it quickly next round. Perhaps endeavor could help with that.
I'd definetly support Princess using thunder wave as well, that'd be another Pulverot possibly unable to act. Though it's only a 25% chance that they're fully paralyzed, so I'm a bit pessimistic about that.
Still, that'd already be 3 pulverots with status effects.
I'm hoping Rayleen and Rio would both chip in and each kill another Narcham, which'd reduce the total number to 2, 3 when the Gendom spawns another one. Rayleen, Impact and Rio could each kill another one next turn while the rest of the team finishes incapacitating the Pulverots and killing the Omnisroth.
We also still have an avaliable Mawile pokebrid... maybe it could try to weaken or even kill another Narcham this round, and just chip in on one attack or another next round.
The only question now is, how to best use the Endeavor technique that Renny's set up?
Omnisroth's already at 7/16ths of its health (or will be, once it acts). By next round it'll be effectively 5/16ths, since it'll take 1/8th at the beginning of its round, thanks to toxin. I'm sure that, say, Heatran, maybe with support from Mawile could take it down by that much. No need for Endeavor.
I'd rather suggest using Endeavor on the Pulverot that Isaac uses swagger on, if he does. Because think about it. It'll be a high-value target, and, more importantly, it might deal enough damage to itself when it tries to attack, that it'll kill itself. One Endeavor, one kill. Good deal, no?
But anyway, let's see what the rest of our group does.
DanteFalcon
03-04-2010, 02:05 AM
I'll probably spend the majority of the fight trying to prevent Sync Strikes so I'll leave most of the tactics to you peoples
Astral Harmony
03-04-2010, 02:18 AM
What's cracka-lackin', dawgs? I'm home now and my favorite Poké Fable is on loop now, so I'll get cracking.
Geminex
03-04-2010, 02:20 AM
Isaac hasn't made a move yet. :(
Still, I'd prefer getting an update now and having to deal with an extra pulverot than waiting.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 02:44 AM
Or...
We could beat up Omnisroth, then I use Endeavor on Genom reducing it to low health, our favorite snagger catches it, and we get a Narcham supporter every turn as well as preventing Genom from boosting all the other Ruin types. :3
Geminex
03-04-2010, 03:29 AM
If AB allows that, that is somewhat genius. I approve wholeheartedly. If it's not possible, which I think, I say we go with my idea.
Astral Harmony
03-04-2010, 03:39 AM
You're not getting Gendom, I don't care how much you butter me up.
But I will make this battle as over-the-top fucking crazy as possible. Say your temporary goodbye to Rayleen and Dormond and hello to Rayleen's steel type Pokémon! Up first is her Registeel.
As for why she didn't use them before but still keeps them with her, she pretty much retired on training after the incident but still does her duty with caring for them. They're a family to replace the family she lost.
DanteFalcon
03-04-2010, 04:25 AM
Ok well that hurt. Now's the question of whether Matthias is actually going to move forward again or if he'll just launch psychic attacks from the back.
Geminex
03-04-2010, 06:06 AM
Ok, threat assessment...
Our targets are still the Omnisroth and the remaining Narchams.
The Omnisroth for obvious reasons. Syncstrike, probably obscenely high stats, guarding the Gendom.
The Narchams, I'd like to kill because two of them now have an increased chance to crit (thanks to the Gendom's ability) and they also have the sniper ability. Meaning they can dish out major hurt.
I'd recommend that Impact and Rio kill the two buffed ones. That'll lower the danger.
The rest is... interesting.
We have a glass cannon avaliable, the wonderfully weakened Togekiss. We can do two things with it. We can either reduce Omnisroth's HP to a bare minimum, kill it, then wipe out the Gendom. That'd take us...
Togekiss
Our weakest damage dealer (not sure who, possibly Starmie)
1 pokemon with a dragon attack. Not sure which. (Against the Gendom)
1 Backup. Maybe whatever Charlotte replaces her downed pokemon with. (Also Gendom)
That'd leave us with Matt, Isaac, Heatran and Registeel (Minus one dragon of them to use a dragon attack) to kill some Pulverot and probably leave two-three paralyzed pulverots and one Narcham to fight us next round.
Unless, of course, the Gendom has more HP than I expected. But still, looks like it'd work, doesn't it?
The alternative would be...
Togekiss+Charlotte's switch-in kill one Pulverot.
Everyone with Psychic attacks hits Omnisroth with whatever they have, that'll probably be Matt and Pierce's Starmie. Maybe Isaac can join in. That should weaken the Omnisroth enough for the poison to finish it off.
Meanwhile, Registeel kills or damages a Pulverot, Heatran kills or damages another, while Rio and Impact do the usual Narcham killing.
That'd leave us with the Gendom alive, one paralyzed Pulverot, up to two heavily damaged Pulverots, one Narcham.
I'd say we take the first option.
Pierce+Charlotte take out the Omnisroth, two others take out the Gendom, the rest focuses on Omnisroths and Narchams.
That acceptable?
And that'd be pretty much it.
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 07:52 AM
Sorry to break it to you, but Starmie doesn't actually have any psychic-type moves right now. It's current moveset is Ice Beam, Thunder, Water Pulse and Thunder Wave. We could try to paralyze and confuse it. With any luck, if we confuse it it'll turn the Syncstrike against them.
Also, I'm calling it now. At least some members of the Evil Eevee Eight will show up with some dual-typed Ruin pokemon.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 01:38 PM
Or, you know, everyone can use Protect/Detect/Fly/Dig to get a turn of nigh-invulverablity while the toxic clock ticks while protecting themselves against Syncstrike.
I'm pretty certain that all of our pokebrids are capable of learning Protect via TM, Tyranitar can use Protect and so can my Umbreon. Charizard can use Fly and Dig. Dunno about Charlotte's pokemon (tried looking for the movesets and not having any luck), although I admit Impact would be unlucky (Hide behind Tyranitar as a meatshield?). Request a shield that can duplicate Protect in the future as potential armor?
Kinda cowardly perhaps, but still mostly effective...
EDIT: Although it just occurred to me that Narcham's Spiral Dive ignores defences, so I guess it'll pierce those moves. Still, it would protect from the Omnisroth and Pulverots. Also, a turn delayed is another Narcham to fight...
Bard The 5th LW
03-04-2010, 01:53 PM
I actually have serious regrets about forgetting to teach at least one pokemon dig. It was in my mind to do it, but I somehow forgot.
And heres the character list.
Slayers
Geminex (Ray Green:Impact) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015565&postcount=25)
Armored Bishoujo's NPC (Rayleen) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1018064&postcount=6)
Trainers
Bard (Charlotte Beaufort: Madame Ursurang) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015435&postcount=14)
Menarker (Renny Tresserhorn) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015554&postcount=23)
Dracorion (Pierce Granger) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015686&postcount=29)
Pokebrids
Naqel (Rakald Essertle: Bone Knight) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015307&postcount=7)
DanteFalcon (Matthias Sona: Oberon) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015494&postcount=19)
Raptor200 (Isaac Lucius) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015754&postcount=34)
Armored Bishoujo's NPC (Rachel McConnelly:Princess) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015813&postcount=41)
Snaggers
Arcanum Darkfire (Mike Kenno) (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=1015758&postcount=35)
Menarker
03-04-2010, 01:58 PM
Technically, I said move list, but I finally found your pokemon's moves in your bio. I thought it was posted afterwards. ^^;
Arcanum
03-04-2010, 01:59 PM
As much as the coward tactic would work to save our pokemon, we the trainers will still be exposed and judging by what happened to the leader of the EEE, them ruin types have no problem attacking trainers. Also Mike has Heatran out right now, not Charizard.
Oh and AB, Magma Storm's (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magma_Storm_%28move%29) description says that it traps a pokemon in pillars of fire. I dunno exactly how that would work in the games (my extent of poke-knowledge is Red/Blue/Yellow, a little Silver, and Fire Red) but how would it work in the RP context? Would it render it's target unable to attack, or would it lock them into only attacking Heatran, or would it just deal continuous damage over a few rounds?
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 02:01 PM
Actually, AB said that Darcen was killed unawares without any pokemon out, so they probably can't attack trainers as long as we have pokemon.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 02:02 PM
As much as the coward tactic would work to save our pokemon, we the trainers will still be exposed and judging by what happened to the leader of the EEE, them ruin types have no problem attacking trainers. Also Mike has Heatran out right now, not Charizard.
Oh and AB, Magma Storm's (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magma_Storm_%28move%29) description says that it traps a pokemon in pillars of fire. I dunno exactly how that would work in the games (my extent of poke-knowledge is Red/Blue/Yellow, a little Silver, and Fire Red) but how would it work in the RP context? Would it render it's target unable to attack, or would it lock them into only attacking Heatran, or would it just deal continuous damage over a few rounds?
It would prevent them from switching out/running away if I recall correctly. It's like a temporary version of Mean Look.
But yeah, AB also said that those in the vault were in danger of being attacked. (Although the bank manager has so far been unmolested.)
But yeah, 1 Omnisroth, 4 Pulverots and 3 Narchams...
QUESTION! Is Syncstrike being all of them combining their attack into one massive one or all of them spamming the attack for multiple attacks? If it's the former, then I can just send Togekiss since it has Substitute as a sort of armor that blocks any one attack that hits once. If it's the latter or multi-hit like Fury Swipes then I gotta think harder...
Bard The 5th LW
03-04-2010, 02:11 PM
I'll hold back on making a post for now and wait for Menarker or whoever it is to make the attack on the Omnisroth.
This way, you can use Endeavor, and then Buck can follow up with a giga impact, or fire blast, probably taking it down.
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 02:13 PM
Weren't we saving Endeavor for Gendom?
And before I forget, You're not getting Gendom, I don't care how much you butter me up.
You couldn't possibly know that. We haven't even tried to butter you up.
Bard The 5th LW
03-04-2010, 02:30 PM
If that is the case then I'll just make a move against the Omnisroth. Whats the call Menarker?
And are we killing the Gendom? I know the scientist would prefer it alive, but I think as police (kind of) we have a right to kill it if it endangers human lives.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 02:32 PM
Well, I was just looking up the moves of our pokebrids, and it turns out that both the Marowak and the Rhyperior pokebrids are both capable of endeavor too. :3
Still thinking of what to do... Isn't there any way we can just use an ordinary pokeball on Genom to capture it but not use it for battle for the sake of preserving it for the scientists? I mean, those things cost less than lemonade in the video games! (200 for a normal pokeball compared to 300 for lemonade) They are cheap like candy bars!
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 02:40 PM
We'll probably have to kill it, but at the very least, I suggest trying to use only special attacks against it. Y'know, stuff that doesn't involve cutting, crushing, biting or smashing.
As for Omnisroth, I'm thinking everyone but Impact and Rio attack it, try to bring it down this turn. Between Heatran, Matt, Buck, Swampert or Magnezone, and Tyranitar, we might be able to take it down. Even better if Registeel joins in. Even betterer if Naqel and rapter come back from oblivion.
Yes, I'm thinking of using Tyranitar. Yes, I know it'd probably die. And I suggest Arcanum try to snag Omnisroth. Probably won't work, but whatever.
As for catching pokemon, I dunno. If you could catch rogues, why even suggest snagging Heatran instead of catching it? It's cutting too much into Snagger territory.
Astral Harmony
03-04-2010, 02:50 PM
Oh and AB, Magma Storm's description says that it traps a pokemon in pillars of fire. I dunno exactly how that would work in the games (my extent of poke-knowledge is Red/Blue/Yellow, a little Silver, and Fire Red) but how would it work in the RP context? Would it render it's target unable to attack, or would it lock them into only attacking Heatran, or would it just deal continuous damage over a few rounds?
My guide says that Magma Storm inflicts damage and prevents the target from fleeing for 2-5 rounds and that if it's frozen, the ice is melted. Flee prevention doesn't really apply against the current enemy but...bizarrely enough, it doesn't talk about a chance at inflicting a burn condition.
QUESTION! Is Syncstrike being all of them combining their attack into one massive one or all of them spamming the attack for multiple attacks? If it's the former, then I can just send Togekiss since it has Substitute as a sort of armor that blocks any one attack that hits once. If it's the latter or multi-hit like Fury Swipes then I gotta think harder...
Syncstrikes are basically a combination attack where each attack opens the targets up for additional damage with somewhat higher damage, critical hit chances, accuracy, and whatever condition it might inflict. One thing you might note is that the Syncstrike doesn't count as one attack, so Substitute won't always save you, but since it does occur in one round, moves like Detect and Protect will help you avoid those insane attacks.
And fine, if you wanna catch the Gendom, that's fine. I'm not sure how I'll make that work out, but I'll figure something out.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 02:55 PM
Proposed plan.
Narcham 1: Kill with Dragon attack? (Impact)
Narcham 2: Kill with Dragon attack? (Mike's dragon pokemon with dragon move)
Narcham 3: Kill with Rio/Pierce's Skarmory steel type.
Pulverot 1 (Paralyzed): Ignore for turn
Pulverot 2 (Paralyzed): Ignore for turn
Pulverot 3: Get Paralyzed by Rachel
Pulverot 4: Psychic, Steel type move (Matt, Rayleen's Registeel). Either Kill or Sync-Crush.
Omnisroth (Poisoned, 50%): Kill with Endeavor, *Insert Strong move with no drawback/resist* (Renny/Charlotte)
Genom (Protected by Omni): Ignore for turn
Team-mate action: Marowak and Rhyperior use Endure to protect from attacks while preparing to use Endeavor next turn.
Next Turn: Hopefully the result should look like:
Narcham 1 (Generated from Genom)
Pulverot 1 2 3 (Paralyzed)
Pulverot 4 (Weak or dead)
Genom
Marowak and Rhyperior uses Endeavor on Pulverot 1 and 2. Three others guys knock out 1, 2 and 4. A dragon type attacker kills Narcham. Everyone else gangs up on Pulverot 3. We deal with Genom next turn by Endeavor while we kill off the one Narcham it generates.
And what I meant by catching is that we don't get to keep it. It belongs to the scientist in the first place, even though it's not in a pokeball. We'll just give it back. Snagger's ability is to steal pokemon that are wild OR owned by someone else.
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 02:56 PM
And fine, if you wanna catch the Gendom, that's fine. I'm not sure how I'll make that work out, but I'll figure something out.
Lightweight. You talking about catching or snagging?
And if Rayleen and Dormond are out, why only one replacement?
EDIT: Proposed plan.
Narcham 1: Kill with Dragon attack? (Impact)
Narcham 2: Kill with Dragon attack? (Mike's dragon pokemon with dragon move)
Narcham 3: Kill with Rio/Pierce's Skarmory steel type.
Pulverot 1 (Paralyzed): Ignore for turn
Pulverot 2 (Paralyzed): Ignore for turn
Pulverot 3: Get Paralyzed by Rachel
Pulverot 4: Psychic, Steel type move (Matt, Rayleen's Registeel). Either Kill or Sync-Crush.
Omnisroth (Poisoned, 50%): Kill with Endeavor, *Insert Strong move with no drawback/resist* (Renny/Charlotte)
Genom (Protected by Omni): Ignore for turn
Team-mate action: Marowak and Rhyperior use Endure to protect from attacks while preparing to use Endeavor next turn.
Next Turn: Hopefully the result should look like:
Narcham 1 (Generated from Genom)
Pulverot 1 2 3 (Paralyzed)
Pulverot 4 (Weak or dead)
Genom
Marowak and Rhyperior uses Endeavor on Pulverot 1 and 2. Three others guys knock out 1, 2 and 4. A dragon type attacker kills Narcham. Everyone else gangs up on Pulverot 3. We deal with Genom next turn by Endeavor while we kill off the one Narcham it generates.
Skarmory can't one-shot a Narcham, so we'd have one Narcham to deal with. We can't control Rachel, and she'd probably use her turn to heal Dormond or Rayleen. And maybe you shouldn't assume that Naquel and rapter will be around to post.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 03:01 PM
And oddly enough, the best part about my plan is that it took Naqel and Raptor's absence in consideration since they still aren't dealing damage in that turn anyhow. So even if they disappear for longer than we'd like, we can still rough out the fight against the Pulverots.
And yeah, I find it odd that I according to the rules, I can only summon 1 pokemon at a time, and yet 6 new rogue pokemon just appeared, although four are hanging around waiting to switch in. If I could have more pokemon in, then I could use Magnezone and Umbreon effectively, and yes more Outrage via Swampert.
Note that I had Pierce's Skarmory attacking with Rio, the NPC powerhouse.
And yeah, I can understand the Rachel thing, although healing up Dormond or Rachel is better than the thunderwave idea, so I'm not bugged by that. ^^
Be Back Soon.
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 03:05 PM
Rio can one-shot a Narcham on her own, so Skarmory isn't needed. So either have Starmie paralyze the last Pulverot, or have Skarmory help kill the one Registeel and Matt would be attacking.
And I'm assuming you meant when you said to deal with the Gendom through Endeavor that Togekiss would be using it. Which is assuming it doesn't get ganged up on and slaughered.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 03:33 PM
That or the aforementioned Naqel/Raptor using Endeavor (Naqel can also use False Swipe to safely reduce it to one hitpoint.). Besides, once we get Genom by itself, we can relatively safely have Rio kill the one summon and does every turn until we weaken it little by little or get it to surrender. Togekiss can be revived if it gets knocked out.
The Starmie idea (Paralyze the one that Rachel would have paralyzed) sounds better since Registeel is a legendary and it's power combined with a psychic attack will help either kill it (optimistic result) or sync-crush it (likely result).
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 03:42 PM
I don't think downing a Pulverot in two hits, however legendary Registeel might be, is even a possibility. But whatever.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 03:43 PM
Hence why I said it's the optimistic result. :3 Still, Sync-crushing is still pretty good for me. ^^
EDITED RESULT
Proposed plan.
Narcham 1: Kill with Dragon attack? (Impact)
Narcham 2: Kill with Dragon attack? (Mike's dragon pokemon with dragon move)
Narcham 3: Kill with Rio
Pulverot 1 (Paralyzed): Ignore for turn
Pulverot 2 (Paralyzed): Ignore for turn
Pulverot 3: Get Paralyzed by Pierce's Starmie
Pulverot 4: Psychic, Steel type move (Matt, Rayleen's Registeel). Either Kill or Sync-Crush.
Omnisroth (Poisoned, 50%): Kill with Endeavor, *Insert Strong move with no drawback/resist* (Renny/Charlotte)
Genom (Protected by Omni): Ignore for turn
Team-mate action: Marowak and Rhyperior use Endure to protect from attacks while preparing to use Endeavor next turn. Rachel heals.
Next Turn: Hopefully the result should look like:
Narcham 1 (Generated from Genom)
Pulverot 1 2 3 (Paralyzed)
Pulverot 4 (Weak or dead)
Genom
Rio kills Narcham.
Ideally, Marowak and Rhyperior uses Endeavor on Pulverot 1 and 2. Three others guys knock out 1, 2 and 4. Everyone else gangs up on Pulverot 3.
Otherwise, we get 2-3 people team up on each Pulverots, starting with the weaken number 4.
We deal with Genom afterwards at our leisure, preferably by false swipe or endeavor or Super Fang, any attack that sets hitpoints and makes it impossible to kill it.
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 03:48 PM
Can't be any kind of result if it's not a possibility.
Anyway, it's your plan so I'll let you post it.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Well, my plan got shot into flames earlier. :3
I only just added to Geminex's first plan quite a few posts ago.
But yes, I'm making my post now.
Bard The 5th LW
03-04-2010, 04:09 PM
I'll make a post following Menarker's. I'll attack accordin to how his plan goes out. Either way, Charlotte is going to be attacking the Omnisroth.
DanteFalcon
03-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Matthias is also aiming at the Omnisroth. No offense to the plan but I'd rather suffer Pulverot's scariness over another Omnisroth hit. Also expect Matthias to go down from the sync strike
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 04:17 PM
Omnisroth should go down to just Renny and Charlotte, probably. Would really be best if you targetted a Pulverot, but your choice.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 04:18 PM
Plus, it should also go down to Toxic if for some reason it doesn't, which I think is unlikely. If you feel worried about the attacks, you should use Protect so you survive the Syncstrikes of the pokemons that don't end up affected by paralysis.
Or you can take one of Renny's Chesto berries that he's holding and use Rest, so you go back to full strength and wake up instantly.
EDIT: Or rather Protect so you don't get hit by Syncstrike and then do the Rest thing the turn after.
DanteFalcon
03-04-2010, 04:30 PM
If Matthias was thinking rationally yes. However the boy does have a bit of a temper. He doesn't appreciate getting bitch slapped into a wall.
Geminex
03-04-2010, 04:34 PM
I like the adjusted plan. Kinda annoys me that the Gendom's left alive, but that's acceptable for now. Worst case scenario is an extra Narcham, and a 50-damage attack.
Of course if it goes well I'm taking any and all credit for it.
If it goes badly, it's all Menarker's fault.
Also, dibs on impact finishing it off with the dragon slave. That'd get him in trouble with whatever scientists want to study it, but I'll just have him go all "Think of it as... *Sunglasses* Pre-disceted."
Besides, cutting something apart with a razor sharp blade seems less harmful that shooting it with a flamethrower. Or any other special attack, really.
And I don't think further protects would be a good idea at the moment. We've pretty much broken the syncstrike, let's just hit them as well as we can right about now.
I'd also recommend Matt targeting a Pulverot, though whether he confuses or damages it, I don't mind.
Also, AB said that the paralyzed Pulverots wouldn't be capable of Syncstriking, right?
Menarker
03-04-2010, 05:00 PM
I like the adjusted plan. Kinda annoys me that the Gendom's left alive, but that's acceptable for now. Worst case scenario is an extra Narcham, and a 50-damage attack.
Of course if it goes well I'm taking any and all credit for it.
If it goes badly, it's all Menarker's fault.
>_> Somehow, I figured you would say that.
And I don't think further protects would be a good idea at the moment. We've pretty much broken the syncstrike, let's just hit them as well as we can right about now.
Also, AB said that the paralyzed Pulverots wouldn't be capable of Syncstriking, right?
I'm pretty certain AB meant that if a Pulverot is effected by the 25% chance of paralysis (using the game stat) preventing it from doing anything at the time, it won't join in the syncstrike, otherwise it will. So Protect will still help against the ones that manage to resist the paralysis stunning effect.
^^ I find it neat that the last two blows against Omnisroth are dealt by the two of the most powerful non-legendary pokemon stat wise (Arcanine being second place, Togekiss being third with only Slaking being 1st, but he got a large disadvantage for his power.)
Geminex
03-04-2010, 05:14 PM
Ah, right.
In that case, sure, why not. Impact won't like it, but Isaac would take rather excessive damage due to his x4 weakness, so it's cool.
Also, I suddenly don't care what Matt does. If he attacks a Pulverot he'd be damaging a relevant target. If he doesn't however, Impact has further arguments for the necessity of an officer. It's a win/win.
Also also, I just realized.
It seems that pokemon don't go Rogue unless a trainer's injuries are life-threatening. I mean, the trainer that Charlotte shot was pretty badly wounded, but no army of water pokemon appeared.
So is Rayleen dead? Or close to it?
And in response to this:
Also, I'm calling it now. At least some members of the Evil Eevee Eight will show up with some dual-typed Ruin pokemon.
Impact actually told the officer in question to make sure that the EEE don't get their hands on pokemon, and to transport them somewhere else as soon as possible. I'm hoping he listened.
Menarker
03-04-2010, 05:18 PM
Well, it's entirely possible that the 3E will escape, get new pokemons, and come back to haunt us, just like Team Rocket... Then we'll fight for 10 years (Pokemon anime been around a long time), have some whacky hi-jinks, maybe become rivals and then good friends and Renny will marry the Envangline whom he was paired up against during the first battle and all that sort of stuff... (Totally gone on a tangent)
Although technically, they aren't the Evil Eevee Eight now that Darcen and all his pokemon are dead. Now that they got all the evolutions of Eevee but no eevee itself, it's more like the Evil Eevee Evolution Empire or so...
Hey... Rayleen got a (homebrew) Steel type Eevee evolution and all her other pokemons are Steel type... you think she used to be or ever will be recruited into the group? Maybe as the new 8th member?
Geminex
03-04-2010, 06:34 PM
That's an interesting observation...
I doubt she ever was in the group, I guess it's possible she might enter the group later...
Though the thing about the EEE is that their Eeveelution was their strongest pokemon, whereas Rayleen's would be, I assume, Registeel.
I'm guessing Rayleen is just a dedicated steel trainer, and AB needed one more awesome steel pokemon to fill the gap.
Also, what Evangline?
Dracorion
03-04-2010, 07:20 PM
Of course if it goes well I'm taking any and all credit for it.
If it goes badly, it's all Menarker's fault.
Oh man. You just got credit stolen retroactively. Specifically, getting Registeel to follow the plan. And also more credit stolen because it was Pierce's idea in the first place.
Tough luck, dude.
Geminex
03-04-2010, 09:23 PM
Well there's two plans.
The one for the first round, involving the status effects. Pierce suggested something like this in the previous battle, where it would have been completely unfeasible. Impact still gave him credit, though, which just goes to show what a kind and balanced person Impact is. And how worthy he is for officership. Y'know. Cause he is.
...
VOTE IMPACT FOR OFFICER
The second one was just a few thoughts that were posted by me and refined by menarker. This is the one I was (jokingly) claiming credit for. Don't quite see how Registeel's participation would influence that. Neither did Pierce participate much in this one, since, well, OOC. Though you had some good input.
ANYWAY
I was wondering... What's the history of Homnyr? Any wars?
Menarker
03-05-2010, 01:04 AM
Also, what Evangline?
Sorry, I meant Evangaleen, the electric Eevee trainer. ^^: Tried to joke a little and butchered it.
Geminex
03-05-2010, 01:17 AM
Not at all. The mental image was funny, though I really couldn't see Impact fitting in to it.
And speaking of Impact, I'd remind people that he's not actually showing any signs of anti-pokemon behavior yet. All you should know, in-character, is that he's quiet, harsh, somewhat efficient, and doesn't like to be contradicted.
Zat vill be all.
Menarker
03-05-2010, 01:19 AM
Well, my character hasn't shown any "hugs and happiness" antics beyond patting Impact on the arm and such yet either, but just you wait. :3
We probably need another discussion thread again.
Geminex
03-05-2010, 01:28 AM
I warn you, do not try to hug Impact. The pat on the arm was bad enough, much less full-body contact. He'd whip out his revolver.
As for the discussion thread... probably.
Let's make a template for the first post.
We have the collection of links to various profiles somewhere on the previous page, that should go into every first post. We should also be updating our profiles once we have our upgrades, particularly if we (or, rather, you) get new pokemon.
Perhaps we could also add the equipment info for Slayers? I have not, I am afraid, memorized the weapons list.
And we also need a new picture of Gardevoir for every new discussion thread.
Menarker
03-05-2010, 01:51 AM
We should ideally also have the move-set of all trainer/snagger pokemons at hand for easy viewing or at least edit them into our profiles.
And yeah, Gardevoir ^^
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