#1222: "So did."

[Kurosen]

If you think about it, now the White Mages are the bad guys. Chaos could have solved world hunger! (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/03/02/episode-1222-one-of-the-better-singularities/)

[Meister]

100% worth waiting a few more days.

[Magic_Marker]

What did they run out of Cake in Virginia?

[Gamer8585]

If you think about it, now the White Mages are the bad guys. Chaos could have solved world hunger! (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/03/02/episode-1222-one-of-the-better-singularities/)

Eliminate the world, and people that can be hungry. BINGO! Easy solution. And absolutely nothing wrong with it!

[Super King]

I'm confused. Didn't they just turn Chaos to ash? Also, why not turn the world to pie?

[Kurosen]

(it's called a flashback)

[Kirby Pufocia]

Man I liked it better when 1221 was the last comic. This entire ordeal is so outside canon that I'm starting to think you've never even played the game.

(Also welcome back!)

[Red King]

After reading this comic. I believe the best character 8bit ever had was killed off. Alas, Poor Chaos, we barely knew ye.

[Veho]

Does this make BM right? In saying odds are good Chaos would turn the world into cake? It's retroactive but still. He mentioned it, which gave Chaos the idea, which would have made BM right in predicting it in the first place. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. A prophecy the White Mages stomped on, quite brutally. The world could have been swimming in cake, forever (thanks to the time-dilation properties that I just attributed to singularities). But noooo, the White Mages had to prevent that eternal bliss from ever happening.

The only way to atone for their horrible sin upon every cake-loving individual in the world (which is pretty much everyone or at least everyone that matters {judged using an algorithm of "if you don't like cake, you don't matter"}) is for the female part of their group to have sex with Black Mage.

In the butt.


I'm sure BM would agree.



Seriously now, a great installment. Thank you.

[Super King]

(it's called a flashback)

It seems really obvious now...

[Kirby Pufocia]

Perhaps it was a subtle jab at yon prediction threads/posts/givers. That we will never know for sure if we could accurately predict anything in the future of the comic, or if Brian gets ideas from people's predictions IN THE FUTURE or both or neither! He further taunts us by saying that we should have seen it all coming, but we didn't. But should've. Didn't though.

Or it's a metaphor for the duality of mankind?

[Monkeybonk]

One thing REALLY ALWAYS annoys me about fantasy stuff like this.

Okay, Chaos is the embodiment of ... chaos and evil.

And the Wyte Crue are the embodiment of law and good.

So... why does that mean that Chaos loses? Why don't they just self-annihilate like antimatter? They shouldn't be able to defeat Chaos any more instantly than Chaos could defeat them... if anything, that diminishes the 'scary' factor of Chaos in the sense that he's a supernatural godlike being embodying all of chaos, entropy, and evil, and can shape worlds with his will, and he gets defeated by what effectively could've been any retard in a white robe who studied White Magic. So Chaos is less powerful than a single random jerk. What?

[Meister]

I could go into traditional good vs. evil or order vs. chaos narrative cliches, but in this case the point, as always, is that the Light Warriors were too dumb to do it.

[Art of Hilt]

They were four, extremely powerful White Magic learning random jerks (one of whom created the universe- even by accident) whose way of defeating Chaos will be shown via flashback in the next comic.
That's kind of different from a single retard in a white robe.

[Random Ninja]

White Mage is still praying. I have a feeling they're gonna take a shot at Black Mage once this story time is over.

[Venath]

And once again, I'm convinced that anything in this comic where Chaos plays a part is completely full of Epic Win. He's easily keeping his place among my favorite characters. Totally worth the extra few days of waiting.

...And with that out of the way, I'm curious to see how they deal with the "Light Warriors." I wouldn't find it hard to believe that they'd smack Black Mage around for a bit now that Chaos has been dealt with (But honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to see BM getting smacked around regardless of who's doing the smacking).

[Hobo Phoenix]

Man I liked it better when 1221 was the last comic. This entire ordeal is so outside canon that I'm starting to think you've never even played the game.

(Also welcome back!)

I hope that's you being facetious.

If not, you've completely missed the point of the entire series.

Great comic B-rye. Might I be the first to wonder if the real reason Chaos was shrunk again was because giant Chaos would've been tougher to frame for the White Warriors versus Chaos flashback?

[Meister]

because giant Chaos would've been tougher to frame
I'd just like to point out that "Chaos is too tall" would still be a perfectly accurate description for this.

[Random Ninja]

Wait.

People still think 8-Bit has anything to do with any canon?

They have talking 8 sided dice.

[Kurosen]

So... why does that mean that Chaos loses?
As long as Black Mage lives, I'm not sure Chaos loses.

[Hobo Phoenix]

I'd just like to point out that "Chaos is too tall" would still be a perfectly accurate description for this.

But that's not nearly as pompous and 'look at clever me' enough.

[Sliths]

I miss Sarda!

[Neni]

"Cakelogical Singularity", eh?

Neon Cakesis Evangelion.

'Nuff said.

[Hanuman]

(it's called a flashback)
................... OHHHHhhhh. Yeah makes sense.

[Tiako]

Does Priest have a pompadour?

[Amake]

So, Chaos is the embodiment of falsehood and discord, right? So if he says he's going to turn the world to cake, we should assume he's lying. One might go so far as to say the cake is some sort of fabrication.

If you know what I mean.

Meanwhile, Neon Cakesis Evangelion.
That's not Tang, it's batter!

[Green Spanner]

Man, that Chaos is (was) a pretty cool guy.

eh makes world into cake and doesn't afraid of anything

[Lord-of-Filing]

One thing REALLY ALWAYS annoys me about fantasy stuff like this.

Okay, Chaos is the embodiment of ... chaos and evil.

And the Wyte Crue are the embodiment of law and good.

So... why does that mean that Chaos loses? Why don't they just self-annihilate like antimatter? They shouldn't be able to defeat Chaos any more instantly than Chaos could defeat them... if anything, that diminishes the 'scary' factor of Chaos in the sense that he's a supernatural godlike being embodying all of chaos, entropy, and evil, and can shape worlds with his will, and he gets defeated by what effectively could've been any retard in a white robe who studied White Magic. So Chaos is less powerful than a single random jerk. What?

The Light Warriors threw him off his game. He was thinking about making a huge cake when he *should* have been thinking dark and horrible acts such as impaling kittens on toothpicks or turning Coke into Pepsi. This made him vulnerable, shifting the balance of power toward the White long enough to defeat him without dying themselves.

[Hanuman]

So, Chaos is the embodiment of falsehood and discord, right? So if he says he's going to turn the world to cake, we should assume he's lying. One might go so far as to say the cake is some sort of fabrication.
Technically he is both lying and not lying, discordians believe everything is true.

[Amake]

Oh man, he was going to turn the world into a cake which, itself, is a lie!

[Ravashak]

One thing REALLY ALWAYS annoys me about fantasy stuff like this.

Okay, Chaos is the embodiment of ... chaos and evil.

And the Wyte Crue are the embodiment of law and good.Chaos (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2001/07/30/episode-062-weird-philosophical-tangent/)

[Faythoffenrir]

If WM wants to save the world, she has still failed. BM is still alive. Wonder if she will try to remedy this? *Imagines epic WM/BM showdown*

[Kirby Pufocia]

I hope that's you being facetious.

If not, you've completely missed the point of the entire series.

Great comic B-rye. Might I be the first to wonder if the real reason Chaos was shrunk again was because giant Chaos would've been tougher to frame for the White Warriors versus Chaos flashback?

I don't know whether to think it's sad or hilarious that there's even a possibility that what I wrote could have been uttered sincerely. I blame myself, mostly =(

[Julford Hajime]

*Imagines epic WM/BM showdown*
At this point, it'd be like a kitten in a leaking lifeboat against a typhoon. Unless BM becomes super-powerful-evil-hell-king-thing again, a hammer to the head may very well kill him.

[Hobo Phoenix]

I don't know whether to think it's sad or hilarious that there's even a possibility that what I wrote could have been uttered sincerely. I blame myself, mostly =(

Trust me, there are those who would indeed utter those words completely unironically. :-/ One never knows.

[justice~!]

As long as Black Mage lives, I'm not sure Chaos loses.

I don't like this foreshadowing!!!

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I didn't think he really liked that cake idea that much. As much as I or everyone else liked it.

It just shows that we're more like chaos than we think sometimes.
I'll add that to the lessons I learned from 8-Bit Theater.

[Panthera]

Hmm. Does White Mage have any thoughts on the fact that Chaos' head is sticking out of the body of Sarda, who she thought before was on her side with the whole saving the universe stuff? Granted she knew he was a dick, but still, she was gone by the time he started revealing how much of a sadistic, revenge-obsessed bastard he was.

[Faythoffenrir]

At this point, it'd be like a kitten in a leaking lifeboat against a typhoon. Unless BM becomes super-powerful-evil-hell-king-thing again, a hammer to the head may very well kill him.

Chaos is dead now. You tellin' me that his evil just dissipated? BM is going to try to get it. Come one, we all know something epic will happen. Fighter's swordchucks need a reason to reappear.

[UndrDog]

I'm so confused! How exactly did Red Mage defeat Chaos!?

Also, BM is a glass cannon. White Mage's "Hammer of Justice" would be overkill.

[Neni]

Heck, Edward, the spoony Bard could kill the LW at that point!
White Mage and her group are like GODS compared to them right now!
... Then again, White Mage, technically, really is god.

[InsanityBringer]

Nice to see things back in gear

Also, the ending of that one confused me for a second until I realized that the last panels in that one were a flashback. Or mabye they are not and Black Mage just transformed into Chaos 2.0. But would that really happen?

[Solus]

I'm not the only one thinking Disgaea when I see Chaos shrink, right. :)

I'm so confused! How exactly did Red Mage defeat Chaos!?
Well, he obviously planned this all out.

1. Realizing Sarda was obviously going to become Chaos, he sent white mage to fetch help. This way, if unexpectedly Chaos turned into a giant monster(which he expected), they could fix the problem.
2. Next, he'd buy some time so that the reinforments would arrive in time, completely according to his brilliant plan, so he tricked Chaos into waiting 24 hours.
3. To keep Chaos off-guard, he'd spend the next 24 hours pretending to level up, coming up with brilliant plan after brilliant plan during this time so that his friends wouldn't guess what he was doing either; after all, if you can fool your friends, you can fool the embodiment of all chaos in the world.
4. He'd trick Chaos into letting his guard down by getting him to think about a yummy & tasty world.
5. While Chaos was distracted by confectioneries, the reinforcements he expected white mage to get would trick Chaos into shrinking.
6. He & his companions working under him would then approach Chaos and sneeze his head off, which was now nose level, since elder gods are weak to sneezes & heart attacks.
7. He would be worshiped as a god, acknowledged as the wisest being in all of time, and his doofy red hat would become a fashion sensation, and his father would accept him & his choice of lifestyle.

[Faythoffenrir]

I'm not the only one thinking Disgaea when I see Chaos shrink, right. :)


Well, he obviously planned this all out.

1. Realizing Sarda was obviously going to become Chaos, he sent white mage to fetch help. This way, if unexpectedly Chaos turned into a giant monster(which he expected), they could fix the problem.
2. Next, he'd buy some time so that the reinforments would arrive in time, completely according to his brilliant plan, so he tricked Chaos into waiting 24 hours.
3. To keep Chaos off-guard, he'd spend the next 24 hours pretending to level up, coming up with brilliant plan after brilliant plan during this time so that his friends wouldn't guess what he was doing either; after all, if you can fool your friends, you can fool the embodiment of all chaos in the world.
4. He'd trick Chaos into letting his guard down by getting him to think about a yummy & tasty world.
5. While Chaos was distracted by confectioneries, the reinforcements he expected white mage to get would trick Chaos into shrinking.
6. He & his companions working under him would then approach Chaos and sneeze his head off, which was now nose level, since elder gods are weak to sneezes & heart attacks.
7. He would be worshiped as a god, acknowledged as the wisest being in all of time, and his doofy red hat would become a fashion sensation, and his father would accept him & his choice of lifestyle.

But his cross-dressing was just Thief messing with his mind. Thief is actually behind everything, you see.

[UndrDog]

Or is he...?

But seriously, it goes without saying that Red Mage constructed all of this. I just can't wait to hear how!

[timemonkey]

Or is he...?

But seriously, it goes without saying that Red Mage constructed all of this. I just can't wait to hear how!

Likely through a mix of being crazy, stupid and willing to take credit for other people's acomplishments. It's a formula that works.

[Aldurin]

I knew Chaos was gonna turn the world into cake. I knew it would happen. Right from the moment BM suggested it.

[malakite]

What is White Mage doing with her hand ?

[DaveK]

Wait.

People still think 8-Bit has anything to do with any canon?
*waves* Hi! I only been reading 8bt for the past couple of years, and never played FF on the NES when it came out, so when I realised we were reaching the end I downloaded an emulator and played it through.

I can promise you, 8bt is close enough to the game for a *complete* noob to use it to play through completely from scratch and know where to go and what to do next.

They have talking 8 sided dice.
Wait. Wait. Wait, what? Megahedron has 8 sides now? How can you roll a critical 20 on a d8? What?!!?

[Roxas]

Does this make BM right? In saying odds are good Chaos would turn the world into cake? It's retroactive but still. He mentioned it, which gave Chaos the idea, which would have made BM right in predicting it in the first place. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. A prophecy the White Mages stomped on, quite brutally. The world could have been swimming in cake, forever (thanks to the time-dilation properties that I just attributed to singularities). But noooo, the White Mages had to prevent that eternal bliss from ever happening.

The only way to atone for their horrible sin upon every cake-loving individual in the world (which is pretty much everyone or at least everyone that matters {judged using an algorithm of "if you don't like cake, you don't matter"}) is for the female part of their group to have sex with Black Mage.

In the butt.


I'm sure BM would agree.



Seriously now, a great installment. Thank you.

Definitely this.

But yeah, looks like the White Mages are now the true villains. Even Chaos had standards. Thief and Red Mage will use their abilities to effectively prove that Black Mage was right and the White Mages willingly prevented the benefit of the world, thus forcing the females to sacrifice their virginity to BM and the males to Fighter.

By the way, I refuse to believe that Red Mage could set up that elaborate of a plan and act like he wasn't. He'd claim he did, but it wouldn't mean a damn.

[DaveK]

I mean just look at those last four frames. Chaos is talking like he was one of the light warriors; wasting time on petty semantic quibbling while white-hot fiery doom is staring him in the face.

I dunno how they did it, but the LWs infected him with their fail. The white mages were just the comedy step-on-a-rake-in-the-face that knocked him over, but it was the LWs who sucked all the brains out of him first.

[timemonkey]

I mean just look at those last four frames. Chaos is talking like he was one of the light warriors; wasting time on petty semantic quibbling while white-hot fiery doom is staring him in the face.

I dunno how they did it, but the LWs infected him with their fail. The white mages were just the comedy step-on-a-rake-in-the-face that knocked him over, but it was the LWs who sucked all the brains out of him first.

Chaos has been acting stupid from the moment he manifested. he should have just blsted the world right from tha moment but instead he stood arund and did nothing but spout semi-nonsense for a day.

[Aklyon]

But what would happen when the cakeworld was completly eaten?

[Bob The Mercenary]

(it's called a flashback)

Shhhhhhh... I had that comic on a pedestal before you said that. I was like "holy shit Brian just nullified the one reveal he waited a decade to pull off by bringing back Chaos!"

But what would happen when the cakeworld was completly eaten?

Diarrhea.

[Amake]

Or as I like to call it, poopworld.

[HisshouBuraiken]

And sadly, the LWs are too de-powered to pose any king of threat to the WWs, so we won't even get an epic final confrontation.

So Brian since I was sick this weekend and didn't get to go to the comic shop lemme ask, are you excited that 8BT is wrapping up? I figure you've probably been ready to move on to bigger and different things for a while now, even if it is bittersweet.

[Truec]

I still hold to my theory that, with whatever bit of Sarda was still inside Chaos now quite thoroughly dead, any spell he cast, including deleveling and loss of class change, should be reverting shortly. Because everybody know defeating an enemy automatically reverses everything they've done with no effort on anybody's part.

[meo]

Why should it be reverting? When Kary died Black Belt didn't get any less dead.

[Funka Genocide]

I was ok with it ending back in the last issue, but now that I think about it, it just doesn't feel right with the Light Warriors still alive.

I'll be honest, I was rooting for chaos in the 12th.

[Kirby Pufocia]

I was ok with it ending back in the last issue, but now that I think about it, it just doesn't feel right with the Light Warriors still alive.

I'll be honest, I was rooting for chaos in the 12th.

Well, we've already had the everybody dies ending, and the all a dream ending - so I guess the only thing left is finding out that King Steve is Tyler Durden.

[voodooKobra]

If you think about it, now the White Mages are the bad guys. Chaos could have solved world hunger! (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/03/02/episode-1222-one-of-the-better-singularities/)
ROFL.

Also, cakelogical is now a word.

[Carteeg_Struve]

Alas, if it were a cake singularity, then at such high pressures the cake would likely burn while pulling and crushing all living beings across its frosting covered event horizon. At least until some powerful benevolent being adds Dark Yeast to it and the universe is recreated in the Big Rising.


Hold on. Wait... I forgot to ask. What flavor of cake, and what type of frosting?

If it was going to be a fruit cake then I still side with White Mage on this one.

[Ti-Phil]

Nice Mystic quest reference with the Cure 1 spell on the last boss.

[Grognor]

I don't like this foreshadowing!!!

I do. Then again, Brian is not one to be predictable.

[Super King]

Nice Mystic quest reference with the Cure 1 spell on the last boss.

Oh shit, I just noticed that. Freaking epic Brain

[Julford Hajime]

Nice Mystic quest reference with the Cure 1 spell on the last boss.

I just assumed it was Black Mage being ignorant of White Magics more non-healy aspects. Like Holy. And Ruse. And Holy. And Dia. And Holy.

And/or a reference to older games having bosses with so much HP a cure spell would cause rollover, and thus massive damage (Okay, maybe it's just the SUPER SECRET BOSS in Lufia 2, but I think the final boss of MQ had this as well, since Cure only hurt him once >.>)

[Nuklear Waste]

Chaos was the best antagonist and fourth best villain in the series.

[UndrDog]

Well, CURE has been used in the FF series to damage the undead and pure dark creatures.

[Raphaël Lafarge]

I'm so confused! How exactly did Red Mage defeat Chaos!?
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3716/justasplannedbt0.jpg

[Sliths]

If WM wants to save the world, she has still failed. BM is still alive. Wonder if she will try to remedy this? *Imagines epic WM/BM showdown*

BM has nothing. He should fake submission and appeal to her pity.

Then he can continue on living until his power is back and destroy the white mage order, encouraging the immortal King Steve(who invented immortality) to once again hire out a team of destined Light Warriors(who he also invented) to save the world with light bulbs and incompetence.

[Aldurin]

What everyone is missing is that BM is more dangerous dead than alive. If they kill him, he'll just retake hell and come back to ravage the world until that one demon pushes him back into his corpse, in which he will still be dangerous.

And since he has died and he's declassed, he'll be able to double his hellppower by rekilling his doppledanger.

But they could lock him up until his hadoken recharges (it may take a while to recharge since he's deleveled.) and then he will kill thief after forcing him to make his will to BM. BM will then spend this fortune on the doomsday spells (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/12/03/episode-1199-like-a-fine-wine/) and then wreak havoc. Onion kid will go into a coma for a few years after until Black Mage heads to space to burn more world, and Onion kid will lose his memory so he won't think that the LW's are still alive.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I find it odd that White Mage doesn't seem the least bit pissed off about BM killing her. And that no one is the least bit surprised at her being alive (Fighter and Thief didn't see RM heal her).

Perhaps this is WM's lost identical twin?

[Truec]

Why should it be reverting? When Kary died Black Belt didn't get any less dead.

Because the ontological inertia of magic doesn't work that way, except for when it does.

[Sliths]

What everyone is missing is that BM is more dangerous dead than alive. If they kill him, he'll just retake hell and come back to ravage the world until that one demon pushes him back into his corpse, in which he will still be dangerous.

And since he has died and he's declassed, he'll be able to double his hellppower by rekilling his doppledanger.

But they could lock him up until his hadoken recharges (it may take a while to recharge since he's deleveled.) and then he will kill thief after forcing him to make his will to BM. BM will then spend this fortune on the doomsday spells (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/12/03/episode-1199-like-a-fine-wine/) and then wreak havoc. Onion kid will go into a coma for a few years after until Black Mage heads to space to burn more world, and Onion kid will lose his memory so he won't think that the LW's are still alive.

You're forgetting:

-The Four Fiends rule Hell

-BM being de-leveled means his doppleganger his way stronger than him

-He only took over hell by ripping out the spines of people. A tactic that won't work again unless he somehow manages to get rid of Lich, who is so beyond dead it's not like he would have anywhere else to go.

[justice~!]

I find it odd that White Mage doesn't seem the least bit pissed off about BM killing her. And that no one is the least bit surprised at her being alive (Fighter and Thief didn't see RM heal her).

I'm interested in this too. I figured they're still shocked that Chaos is even dead.

[Nuklear Waste]

I'm interested in this too. I figured they're still shocked that Chaos is even dead.
I figured it's just that 1125-1129 aren't meant to be taken seriously, so the characters don't really care. Or maybe Sarda reverted Super Evil Black Mage's murders so much that even any emotional impact was erased.

[FEG]

I find it odd that White Mage doesn't seem the least bit pissed off about BM killing her. And that no one is the least bit surprised at her being alive (Fighter and Thief didn't see RM heal her).

Think about it. Fighter is too out of it to ever realize when anything important is going on. Both Thief and White Mage can see BM for what he really is, and know his intentions. Combine that with the fact that nobody actually dies when BM kills or tries to kill them, it's pretty much not even worth the character's time to express any form of shock or emotion towards these past events.

Sorry if that was awkwardly worded, I'm not feeling too great today.

[Hanuman]

Think about it. Fighter is too out of it to ever realize when anything important is going on.
SWORDS AND HUGGING ARE IMPORTANT! :stressed:

[WVI]

Dammit, I was hoping that last part wasn't a flashback and that Chaos really did come back simply because he's Chaos.

[Grognor]

Dammit, I was hoping that last part wasn't a flashback and that Chaos really did come back simply because he's Chaos.

Yeah, me too.

I knew that was too much to hope for, though. I was even one of those people who hoped for Black Belt to come back. And Dragoon.

At least the Other Warriors stayed dead. They were useless.

[timemonkey]

I find it odd that White Mage doesn't seem the least bit pissed off about BM killing her. And that no one is the least bit surprised at her being alive (Fighter and Thief didn't see RM heal her).

Perhaps this is WM's lost identical twin?

Maybe the readers made a much bigger deal about the events than the characters? BM stabbed her by accident, plus she's fine now, thus is the nature of white magic so long as it's healed no injury really matters. Hell, she's healed pretty much every charcater from the brink of death.

And the fact that no one is surprised she's fine just drives home the fact that she was never dead to begin with and the readers went way overboard insisting she was.

[Nexus]

You're forgetting:

I'M COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING I JUST SAID.
Note by Nexus: This edit was intended for humor purposes and is not an insult. It worked since I giggled like a little school girl....Then realized I have the giggle of a little school girl.
Yeah, a couple things about your post there buddy. All four fiends were absorbed by BM, striking out your first and third comment, and BM's doppleganger was killed by a simple stab wound. So he probably could take over Hell again.

Also, question about the Hadoken! Since it siphons love from the world, would that mean that each Hadoken is weaker than the last due to there being less love than before? I would think so. Also, love is for pussies.

[timemonkey]

BM doesn't have the power to take over Hell anymore. BM's problems have aways been his poor aim and glass cannon status. Being dead removed the restrictions of the flesh so he could manage close combat and unleash his vast powers on the forces of hell. He has since lost his magical power, he'd just be anouther guy doomed to torment.

[tshadowdrag]

Why should it be reverting? When Kary died Black Belt didn't get any less dead.

Black belt was diced up by man made weapons, the LWs were depowered by magic and exists on slightly different levels of change probably. Only saying, but this Final Fantasy exists on Brian's universe and if that was the case of them reverting it would have already happened due to Chaos being destroyed.

[redjirachi]

Methinks the OW miscalculated Chaos's nature.They assumed Chaos was the embodiment of darkness and entropy.Chaos couldn't be darkness and entropy,since if the universe was wiped out nothing would change and it would be order{albeit an abyss}.They should have used order-based attack instead of light-based attacks,and now they will be turned into muffins for it{really,they don't have to worry about being tortured forever since it's what everyone would expect}.Really,if BM wanted to worship{and usurp} a being of evil and destruction,he would've ignored the goofy Chaos and prayed to Morgoth/Satan/Darkseid

[meo]

So, given all the frequent lack of 8-Bit Theater as of late, I've been tempted to actually read whatever that kung-fu looking comic is. Is it any good? It seems to be updated regularly at the very least, which is good thing for a comic to be and for my PAINFULLY BLUE BALLS CLEVINGERRR.

[Meister]

Absolutely. Don't go in expecting 8-Bit style "everyone is incompetent" humour or, in fact, very much humour at all though. In the FAQ Brian calls it "a kung fu movie, but a comic" and that's probably the best way to put it.

[Kim]

In my honest opinion, HIKYM is the second best of Brian's projects. I still think Atomic Robo is superior, though this is most likely because I've been able to experience more of the Robo story than the HIKYM story, due to the slow update schedule of the latter. But seriously, HIKYM blows 8-Bit out of the water, though it is definitely a very different kind of story from it.

[Green Spanner]

It does seem to have minor pacing issues, but that's only because it updates twice weekly rather than magically popping into existence fully made.

I think this is indicative of the story quality: I wan't to read on, but I have to wait until the next update :(

Also, Mr. Speroni is stupidly talented.

[Sliths]

Yeah, a couple things about your post there buddy. All four fiends were absorbed by BM, striking out your first and third comment, and BM's doppleganger was killed by a simple stab wound. So he probably could take over Hell again.

Also, question about the Hadoken! Since it siphons love from the world, would that mean that each Hadoken is weaker than the last due to there being less love than before? I would think so. Also, love is for pussies.

Which would presumably make the four fiends, once again, dead and in hell.

[Kumosabe]

Which would presumably make the four fiends, once again, dead and in hell.

Unless BM killed their souls instead of their bodies (aside from Lich i don't think any of them actually went to hell WITH their bodies), meaning they're gone, period.

[BattyAsHell]

So, given all the frequent lack of 8-Bit Theater as of late, I've been tempted to actually read whatever that kung-fu looking comic is. Is it any good? It seems to be updated regularly at the very least, which is good thing for a comic to be and for my PAINFULLY BLUE BALLS CLEVINGERRR.

hikym is AWESOME.

It's quality stuff, as webcomics go. Hell, it's more interesting than 99% of commercial mangas.

It's slow moving though.

[AngelFoodBB]

Good plan. Withold updates to the reason 98% of people come to the site so you can get more interest in your other two works. Once 8bit is over interest in the site would all but cease.

Great. Once money was involved things became shitty. gg

[justice~!]

Good plan. Withold updates to the reason 98% of people come to the site so you can get more interest in your other two works. Once 8bit is over interest in the site would all but cease.

Great. Once money was involved things became shitty. gg

The underutilized mind creates unnecessary drama.

[Tev]

Once money was involved things became shitty. ggYes, heaven forbid that juggling of Brian's dream with Atomic Robo as well as one or two Marvel projects....and two other web comics would delay the last few strips of 8-bit which has gone on for years now. Really? You can't cut the man a break and enjoy these last few weeks of the comic before it's all over?

[Green Spanner]

Good plan. Withold updates to the reason 98% of people come to the site so you can get more interest in your other two works. Once 8bit is over interest in the site would all but cease.

Great. Once money was involved things became shitty. gg

Silver Rose?

[Meister]

Once 8bit is over interest in the site would all but cease.
Promise you'll stop coming once it's over?

[Grognor]

Successful troll is successful.

I begin to wonder whether he is serious in those preposterous and inane assumptions, but then I realized it doesn't matter, because either way he is just making them for attention. I'm certain.

[Codemonkey85]

BM doesn't have the power to take over Hell anymore. BM's problems have aways been his poor aim and glass cannon status. Being dead removed the restrictions of the flesh so he could manage close combat and unleash his vast powers on the forces of hell. He has since lost his magical power, he'd just be anouther guy doomed to torment.

Are we sure about this? He was de-leveled, yes, but isn't he still a nexus of magic or whatever? I don't think you can just "take away" that status.

Unless Sarda specifically willed it. Which I suppose he may have.

Clarification from Brian perhaps? :)

[Aldurin]

Maybe White Mage will finally shove her hammer up BM's ass? That would keep him from terrorizing the world.

[Waspinator]

And now, King Steve finally manages to strike mana with his drilling operation. The resulting explosion turns the world into cake.

[Veho]

No no no, the world will be engulfed in cake as a result of yet another failed culinary experiment by this guy (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/06/26/episode-300-the-house-always-wins/).

[Nuklear Waste]

Silver Rose?
Join date actually matches up with Silver Rose's demise... (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?p=929565&highlight=SilverRose#post929565)

No no no, the world will be engulfed in cake as a result of yet another failed culinary experiment by this guy (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/06/26/episode-300-the-house-always-wins/).
That guy is kinda busy being a pile of ashes.

[tshadowdrag]

Good plan. Withold updates to the reason 98% of people come to the site so you can get more interest in your other two works. Once 8bit is over interest in the site would all but cease.
Great. Once money was involved things became shitty. gg

You should take a look at the archives by calendar for 8-bit and for someone to have that good of an update schedule while dealing with many things for 9 years is pretty damn good. We all need money and as much as I like the funny along with you, he has to live on something and as you get older you need more so you can sustain yourself better.

Updates might be spuratic, but atleast they are good when done. Again I'd rather have a good comic and ending than one just tacked on which even now can be done simply to put it to bed and move on.

In my honest opinion, HIKYM is the second best of Brian's projects. I still think Atomic Robo is superior, though this is most likely because I've been able to experience more of the Robo story than the HIKYM story, due to the slow update schedule of the latter. But seriously, HIKYM blows 8-Bit out of the water, though it is definitely a very different kind of story from it.

I have to agree on the measure that going gradual that HIKYM actually grows on you in a better offering. Because Brian worked on 8-bit and other things he can only get better and for writing the more projects helps you learn. I wish I was able to read more of robo but comic book stores aren't as found commonly as they used to.

All this talk of cake is making me hungry for it, good thing my birthday is on thursday. A cake world might not be that bad.

Still I have a feeling that even with the delays, maybe the ending will be similar to the flashes made? Where they all are on set?

[Veho]

That guy is kinda busy being a pile of ashes.

But that's not Sarda.

[Mirai Gen]

That guy is kinda busy being a pile of ashes.

Ahhh...permission to make a SOTN joke?

[Meister]

so you can get more interest in your other two works.
[...]
Once money was involved things became shitty.
Yes I agree, the main reason Brian doesn't update 8BT as often anymore is so people will give him money so they can read Warbot and HIKYM instead.

hold on they're free too and this is very stupid

[Nuklear Waste]

But that's not Sarda.
I recall Brian saying he came up with the idea that Onion Kid = Sarda around the time Sarda screwed up history when he made food. So, it is Sarda.

[Kumosabe]

Are we sure about this? He was de-leveled, yes, but isn't he still a nexus of magic or whatever? I don't think you can just "take away" that status.

Unless Sarda specifically willed it. Which I suppose he may have.

Clarification from Brian perhaps? :)

At the very least, Sarda re-bound the nexus, (Black Mage gained his class change by unbinding it) though we were never actually told the exact method with which black mage took over hell, merely that it's success was due to the loss of his "fleshy limitations" and that it was maintained via spine removal and fear. So it could go either way when he dies, really

although, now that i think about it, the only person whose class change is really confirmed to be gone is thief, since he stole it from himself and tried a ninja flip (failing miserably). Red Mage wouldn't have been able to cast anything anyway thanks to the Sarda plan, Fighter might just be that dumb or Sarda might have literally stabbed the sword skill out of him with his own blade, and black mage never tried to cast anything.

[ERROR]

At the very least, Sarda re-bound the nexus, (Black Mage gained his class change by unbinding it) though we were never actually told the exact method with which black mage took over hell, merely that it's success was due to the loss of his "fleshy limitations" and that it was maintained via spine removal and fear. So it could go either way when he dies, really

although, now that i think about it, the only person whose class change is really confirmed to be gone is thief, since he stole it from himself and tried a ninja flip (failing miserably). Red Mage wouldn't have been able to cast anything anyway thanks to the Sarda plan, Fighter might just be that dumb or Sarda might have literally stabbed the sword skill out of him with his own blade, and black mage never tried to cast anything.

Good point(s).

[timemonkey]

Since Black Mage apparently needs to prepare his spells, and didn't have any left since he was relying on black tentacle power, he could very well be the same as he's always been.

Actually, since BM's outfit change was done seperately from his class change it's possible Sarda accidently just undid that.

[Meister]

Keep it up guys, one day you'll manage to grab one of those pesky straws.

[meo]

The final strip of the comic will be Red Mage shirtless, his arms around Meister, holding Meister against his firm, muscular chest while they share a kiss of passion.

I base this on the fact that in episode 548 Red Mage is seen saying 'Hold on'.

[Meister]

alright regardless of what may or may not be in it I want to know how you read my secret diary.

It even says "SECRET" on the cover I mean come on man.

[timemonkey]

Keep it up guys, one day you'll manage to grab one of those pesky straws.

Well, we tried using logic to predict things but that doesn't work so random theories are all we have left. Well, that and using fanfic to make whatever we think up happen, but some lines are not meant to be crossed. Especially since the more fanfic there is of a subject the gayer and smuttier it becomes.

[RickZarber]

Because someone had to.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4928/meistersdiarypage.png

(Had to look up diary, hope that's the right word...)

[Token]

Well, we tried using logic to predict things but that doesn't work so random theories are all we have left. Well, that and using fanfic to make whatever we think up happen, but some lines are not meant to be crossed. Especially since the more fanfic there is of a subject the gayer and smuttier it becomes.


It's far too late for that. Remember COM;COL?

[Neni]

Because someone had to.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4928/meistersdiarypage.png

(Had to look up diary, hope that's the right word...)

Wow! Grammatically correct German!!

Hätte nie gedacht, dass ich das auf ner englischsprachigen Seite nochmal erlebe!!! XD

I think I ship that pairing now.

[Meister]

This is a rapid and highly alarming development.

Well, we tried using logic to predict things but that doesn't work so random theories are all we have left.
Granted, it worked once with the Sarda/Onion Kid thing, but that was so big it should by all rights have used up all the luck you were ever going to have with this method.

[AngelFoodBB]

I don't care that he's skipping updates so more 8 bit fans are likely to begin reading his other crap. He should at least be honest about it instead of "oh my cat ate something not intended for cats, can't update the thing that takes about 15 minutes to put together, but I CAN make something that takes a lot longer and update that a few times inbetween."

[RickZarber]

Wow! Grammatically correct German!!

Hätte nie gedacht, dass ich das auf ner englischsprachigen Seite nochmal erlebe!!! XDThe grammar I remember! It's the vocabulary that's left me almost entirely! :sweatdrop

[Waspinator]

It's a free webcomic, it's not like we can complain he's ripping us off by not updating as often as we'd like. If we were paying for access to the comic, then we'd have a case, but beggars can't be choosers, you know?

[Green Spanner]

It's a free webcomic, it's not like we can complain he's ripping us off by not updating as often as we'd like. If we were paying for access to the comic, then we'd have a case, but beggars can't be choosers, you know?

I'm, like, almost 100% sure that AngelFoodBB is SilverRose back from the Cornfield.

[Meister]

I don't care that he's skipping updates so more 8 bit fans are likely to begin reading his other crap. He should at least be honest about it instead of "oh my cat ate something not intended for cats, can't update the thing that takes about 15 minutes to put together, but I CAN make something that takes a lot longer and update that a few times inbetween."
Please go and make a sprite comic right now, from scratch, post it here so we can see it's got the same graphical quality as an 8BT episode, and keep track of how long it took you from start to finish.

Then please go and see what resources you need to write one page of comic and send it to someone else to draw and compare that to the resources you needed to make one page of sprite comic on your own and tell us which one you'd rather do on the go.

e: I'm not trying to be all YOU HAVEN'T WRITTEN ANYTHING SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE WRITING because that's stupid, it's just that you obviously don't know that it does take some time to make even a sprite comic page look not like arse.

Also I'll admit that, rather similarly, I don't actually know how long it takes to write a page of HIKYM so my assumption of "not as long as doing one page of 8BT" might be completely wrong but I don't think I'm leaning out the window too far here.

e^2: this entire argument is stupid and so am I for letting myself get drawn into it and we're done with it, 8BT is gonna end any day now so who cares anyway.

[rpgdemon]

YOU HAVEN'T WRITTEN ANYTHING SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE WRITING because... it's just that you obviously don't know that it does take some time to make even a sprite comic page look not like arse.

HAW HAW HAW I AM WITTY AND AMUSING.

So, how long until someone thinks that's what the post actually said, because they skipped the long block of text, and just moved on to read the less lengthy posts? XD