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Kyanbu The Legend
03-19-2010, 06:00 PM
What do you think is better? Books or comics?

What do you prefer to read the most? And do you feel books would be better in comic form? What about if comics where and book form?


feed back is desired and would be greatly appreciated.

Tev
03-19-2010, 06:12 PM
I hear Twilight has a graphic novelization out now. That might make it palatable if it was somehow condensed and a lot of the shitty descriptions were just drawn.

What I miss are novels that include pictures every fifty pages or so depicting some exciting thing in the story.

Geminex
03-19-2010, 06:26 PM
Why do you need pictures, though? It's much more fun imagining what it's like.

Books so hard.

Comics are... interesting, but while I accept that stuff like Watchmen manages to reach the "Really fucking awesome and intelligent" realm, that's an outlier.

Tev
03-19-2010, 06:27 PM
Sometimes I like to see some art of what I'm reading? Sure I can imagine it, but I also enjoy appreciating good art.

phil_
03-19-2010, 06:30 PM
What I miss are novels that include pictures every fifty pages or so depicting some exciting thing in the story.Moonland says "hi." The whole light novel genre consists of books with illustrations every chapter or so.

Green Spanner
03-19-2010, 06:34 PM
I feel comics and books are sufficiently different as literary mediums that I couldn't tell you which one is 'better'.

What criteria are we judging them on anyway?

Kyanbu The Legend
03-19-2010, 06:38 PM
All but mostly on the grounds of detail and the amount of impact a story in book or comic form has on it's reader(s). How much of the author's world the reader feels with each page and chapter. AS well as how quickly updates to the story are done and how much of it is told at a time.

Green Spanner
03-19-2010, 06:40 PM
All but mostly on the grounds of detail and the amount of impact a story in book or comic form has on it's reader(s). How much of the author's world the reader feels with each page and chapter.

Again, both excel in different ways.

It really boils down to what kind of story you want to tell.

Kyanbu The Legend
03-19-2010, 06:51 PM
A well rounded story of action, comedy, and a compelling plot that really catches the readers. And well balanced, well thought out Characters.

Tev
03-19-2010, 06:53 PM
Sounds like a novel.

krogothwolf
03-19-2010, 06:55 PM
Sounds like a novel.

For a second there I thought you said Marvel and was going to question your intelligence. Thankfully it was just me being blind.

Doc ock rokc
03-19-2010, 08:06 PM
They are to me Two entirely different types of media.
While one is better at the other in somethings
The other is better at the other in diffrent things

Books can get away with using the persons imagination to form things you couldn't describe.
While comics can use pictures to show things that books can't describe.
bad example but I Find that both are even to me.

Professor Smarmiarty
03-19-2010, 08:18 PM
Imagine your reading porn- would you rather see the penetrating member or read about it. Case closed

Kim
03-19-2010, 08:18 PM
Depends on how much action you want to have, and what kind of comedy. Comics generally rely on visual comedy. Books on comedic dialogue. I recently decided to change a comic idea I had so that I could write it as a novel. As a result, it's more serious, and has a lot more character interaction. I'm also reducing the amount of action. Choose which one sounds like it serves your story best, and write with these things in mind.

Jagos
03-19-2010, 09:34 PM
Eh, I read a lot in both forms. While I liked Harry Potter the book, I wasn't all that interested in the comic for it.

Kick-Ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krOzVRj9z88) however...

Mike McC
03-19-2010, 09:52 PM
What about if comics where and book form?I cannot parse your language.

Kyanbu The Legend
03-19-2010, 10:02 PM
I cannot parse your language.

The book version of a comic.

An example would be a Batman novel.

Doc ock rokc
03-19-2010, 10:37 PM
The book version of a comic.

An example would be a Batman novel.
actually...
I did read something like that once Someone wrote the "No mans land" story arch as a novel. It was really interesting to compare the two.

Premmy
03-19-2010, 10:59 PM
Comics= Good
Novels=Good

you guys=Lame.

DarkDrgon
03-19-2010, 11:05 PM
I read the Marvel adaptation of the first half of Ray Feist's Magician. it didn't turn out so good

Arhra
03-19-2010, 11:33 PM
Do you think that this topic on the merits of books and comics should, perhaps, have been made in the Books & Comics section?

Anyway, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. One's not objectively better than the other.

Books do have the slight advantage that they're not quite as... incestuously inbred as DC and Marvel, who make up a pretty significant chunk of the comics publishers.

But that's not a problem with the medium.

Amake
03-20-2010, 01:34 AM
I just got Robert Crumb's comic adaptation of the Book of Genesis, and I'm here to tell you: Comics are sweet.

One thing, and one thing only does prose do that comics can't do just as well - walls of text. Which may be good for delivering vast amounts of information or narration or whatever, but it should be noted that it doesn't work as well for receiving that information. Comics, Alan Moore has been known to say, are unparalleled in the speedy and cohesive absorption of information department. Which is to say you can learn from them faster than any other medium.

And that's just scraping the surface of what comics can do. Actually in the 120 or so years we've had comics, we have only begun exploring their possibilities. Look at the work of David Mack, look at Dresden Codak or, well, anything by Alan Moore.

It's too hard for me, so I'm mostly stuck with writing. To my lament. >_>

Mike McC
03-20-2010, 02:58 AM
Which is to say you can learn from them faster than any other medium.The problem with that statement is the assumption of some universal factor in the intended audience; a factor which does not exist. I myself would say that interactive means of media are far better teachers than anything else. But, then, that assumption is based off of my own personal experiences, and might not be universal.

To imply that sequential art is the pinnacle of media is, frankly, a very narrow minded approach. In fact, arguments could be made that no media is the bet, and all media are the best simultaneously. What it eventually boils down to is how the creators utilize their media of choice, and how they play to its, as well as their own, strengths. And each media has it's own sets of strengths, and weaknesses.

Each has it's time, and it's place. None is on a plateau, overlooking the others in the valley.

Amake
03-20-2010, 03:38 AM
Maybe I didn't make it clear the last time we had this discussion, but when I talk about what I like about the comics medium I'm not saying that every other medium is objectively inferior. I'm saying that I like comics.

And yes, everyone probably doesn't absorb data from comics easier than any other source, but I like to think it's true for the majority. I didn't think quoting the self-proclaimed Wizard of Northampton would be taken as an attempt at formulating universal truth.

Mike McC
03-20-2010, 04:19 AM
Maybe I didn't make it clear the last time we had this discussion, but when I talk about what I like about the comics medium I'm not saying that every other medium is objectively inferior. I'm saying that I like comics.

And yes, everyone probably doesn't absorb data from comics easier than any other source, but I like to think it's true for the majority. I didn't think quoting the self-proclaimed Wizard of Northampton would be taken as an attempt at formulating universal truth.You phrased both points as if they were absolutes, and it was not only I who read it that way. I showed your post, your phrasing to others, and they drew the same conclusions as I did.

Amake
03-20-2010, 05:16 AM
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that when I say there's a great many things I like about comics, it's assumed by everyone that I mean there's basically no point in working in any other medium?

Yes, there are things that can be done in other mediums that can't be done in comics. They are, however, not as interesting to me, and I don't want to spend all day talking about their virtues to assure people I'm aware of their existence. Can we possibly leave it at that?

Meister
03-20-2010, 05:28 AM
What do you think is better? Books or comics?
Like everyone's pretty much said, they're distinct genres, so it's almost always gonna come down to personal preference. These days I'm definitely a comics person. There are so many interesting stories in comics I've yet to read and novels, as a whole (insofar as you can put the entire span of novels into a statement like "as a whole", which you might very well argue is "not at all"), feel kind of "been there, done that."

And do you feel books would be better in comic form? What about if comics where and book form?
I prefer leaving a story in its original medial context. Adaptation in my experience is rarely an improvement, whether it's book-to-film, comic-to-film or comic-to-book.

walkertexasdruid
03-20-2010, 07:41 PM
I tend to prefer books. I have a growing library of my favorite authors as we speak. But comics are fun too, as I am expending some effort to collect the Spiderman comics from the very begining. The Dark Knight Returns was a great graphic novel. I guess it depends on what mood I am in when choosing between books or comics.