Pokemon Umbral Discussion 20: Now With New Discussion Thread Smell!

[Astral Harmony]

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc182/SuperSaiyanBowser2/Motivational%20Posters/MoitvationalPokemon.jpg

Man, and I thought my DSS and RPS were pretty complex.

I'll get to posting in the RP thread. Then hopefully I can finish everything I need to put into the database tonight in which I'll then edit this post.

Oh, and have I missed everything that I need to address? The smell of this new discussion thread has fried my short term memory.

[Geminex]

Nice. Humans! Many, many humans. Not, in fact, any trainers. And few pokebrids. This is a good thing.
...
(I am going to corrupt them, but don't tell anyone, it is a secret!)

And what's all this talk about Pierce's aspirations to world domination? The only ubervillain in this RP is Impact! Pierce is the anime-style, exuberant, thinks-he's-badass-but-actually-isn't hero.
...
And besides, even if Pierce was motivated, it'd be Drac vs. Me.
Y'know. The guy who acts like a frat boy vs. the guy who acts like a drunk James Bond villain, only alcohol actually increases his mental capacity and he also has no intention of killing enemies with anything other than a bullet to the head. No easily-escapable deathtrap for you, Mr. Pierce.
This isn't meant to be an insult, just a statement of fact. If Drac- if anyone makes a move towards world-domination, they will not only be unsucessful, they will regret ever making said move. Regret it severely.
And that counts IRL too, just live your lives normally and wait for the day your country is anihilated by my giant orbital death-ray, in a bid to make the world's governments think that I'm trying to extort them for trillions of dollars, while I'm actually just conducting an elaborate social experiment, to reorganize the structure of human society and try to make humanity selfless. Because then I can be a horrible, amoral monster and a hero at the same time!
...
What was I saying?

And could someone remind me what the sniper specialty does? I'd look for it myself, but my internet connection. is rather slow.

Edit: Oh, and what should happen now? Do we just talk to all the recruits? Introduce ourselves?

[Menarker]

AB will probably edit that into the first post when the database is finished.

What I'm curious to know is how many slots are there per team, since there are quite a few.

And gee, that Muay Thai martial artist seems a bit out of place... Kinda like that Hercules (Mr.Satan) dude compared to the rest of the DBZ cast. I mean, sure fighting damage perhaps, but in a setting with pokemons that fire lazers, snipers, and psychics that can fling your body like a rag doll? Ah well, I imagine more details will be explained in due time.

As for my questions from the last thread that didn't get answered...



Rule Updates regarding the Rage Point System:

All damage, dealt or recieved, will now grant 5/100 Rage Points. It may not seem like much, but when you consider that you get them from attacking and being attacked, it can quickly add up.
All classes now have another ability called Prime. You forfeit your action and double the amount of Rage generated by attacks recieved on that turn.

What about multi-hit attacks like Double Kick, Fire Spin and all that? Do they trigger the rage gain for each hit or for a single move?


- Testament Drive = 50/100 Rage Points. Legendary Pokemon can now use their Testament Drive whenever they are in play. They don't need to be fighting a Ruin General nor do they need to die.


Do they still automatically trigger it when they get knocked out or is that removed?

[Dracorion]

Technically Pierce is sleeping the booze off. But if he was there he would totally say he's not aiming for world domination.

And he isn't. Yet.

Nice. Humans! Many, many humans. Not, in fact, any trainers. And few pokebrids. This is a good thing.

Y'know, I just did a quick headcount, and the total number of trainers (that is, pure trainers and Battle Masters) is the same as both Slayers and Pokebrids (Pokebrids and Legion Mages).

So yeah.

And besides, even if Pierce was motivated, it'd be Drac vs. Me.
Y'know. The guy who acts like a frat boy vs. the guy who acts like a drunk James Bond villain, only alcohol actually increases his mental capacity and he also has no intention of killing enemies with anything other than a bullet to the head. No easily-escapable deathtrap for you, Mr. Pierce.
This isn't meant to be an insult, just a statement of fact. If Drac- if anyone makes a move towards world-domination, they will not only be unsucessful, they will regret ever making said move. Regret it severely.

Bond villains, no matter what intentions they have, always lose. Because they say something retarded like "And now you die, Mr. Bond". It doesn't matter whether or not they want to: they can't help themselves. So if you're a Bond villain, you're going to lose.

Also, Pierce has Enmakki. And Enmakki is evil mastermind enough for both of them. An evil mastermind who wants Impact grow into a big bad for Pierce to defeat, or an evil tyrant for Pierce to overthrow.

An evil mastermind who can fuck people's dreams without them knowing, who will never show any indication of being an evil mastermind to anyone except Pierce, and who can't be stopped by Impact's mind control. Why doesn't Enmakki aim to make himself evil tyrant? For one, Pierce is human, so it'd be easier for him to gain support. For another, why should Enmakki bother himself with the day-to-day tediousness of running the world when he can just corrupt some poor fool into doing it for him?

EDIT: You can talk to them later if you so choose, but I'll provide useful data on them that Impact will use in deciding the best mission parties during future sorties

What the hell do you mean Impact?

[Menarker]

Oh, that's right... there was that rather delayed leadership voting (in character) and no one was actually voted to replace or co-leader with Renny.

Mind you, the data probably would end up ending to Impact anyhow, but in character, it would seem odd that someone who wasn't designated leader would be getting the data.

[Dracorion]

I believe we all agreed under the table that Impact isn't going to be leader yet, anyway.

EDIT: Really, Impact shouldn't be getting more power than the rest of the PCs until he gets the leadership position.

We don't want him to go crazy with power too soon.

EDIT EDIT: I think hungover Pierce may actually be dumber than drunk Pierce.

[Menarker]

AB: It's our 20th Thread. A milestone of sorts! Where are the sexy pics? :3:

AB: For the purpose of creating a Signature Technique or Co-op move, could you perhaps give a few sample moves and list the costs that would come with it? So we can get an idea of what certain abilities incur as costs?

Also got two idea of Co-op Technique involving Renny and Togekiss. According to AB, the technique can be used even if that pokemon isn't actually summoned on the field since it's the Trainer that's originating its power with the help of the pokemon's presence. It's still tentative though. I got to consider new custom items as well for leader pokemons and all that.

Serene Blessing:
Description: Renny and Togekiss are so synced in their harmonic and peaceful relationship, their powerful example create a radius of happiness and good fortune. Such luck is so powerful it can cause attacks targetting them to miss or be utterly ineffective. Those who becalm themselves and thus spread the peace and harmony expand the aura and its protective power.
Effect: Renny/Togekiss is under the influence of an unbreakable Protect while able to perform their normal action. Allies of Renny in the same battle can expend similar amounts of rage to apply Protect to themselves and their charges or to someone else they desire to protect while still able to perform their move for the turn. Thus someone can pay double price if they want to protect themselves and someone else who is low on rage.

Useful for granting a turn of buff, healing, or alpha striking without getting hurt at all, at the cost of some rage (although that can be mitigated somewhat by the fact that you still get your action for the turn to generate it, but if you spend rage for the protection, you might not have enough to use some other abilities that use it.)

Alternatively... (Or maybe I can use this following one for Lola-SyncTech...)

Plenty and Prosperity
Description: Renny and Togekiss well-wishes for their friends comes in the form of gifts. Even a single gift can sustain the well-being of several friends! If used with an offensive item, foes will do well to fear Renny's gift of supportive firepower.
Effect: This counts as an item use action. Choose a single item. Its effect is applied to as many allies or foes on the field as desired, keeping its full effect for each and every one. Thus one Full Restore will heal the entire party entirely. Supreme Upgrade will give EVERYONE 3 stages boost to all stats (Those with Simple ability like Mollesk get 6 to all stats!). Suppressive Haze will knock off 25 rage from all foes. Since it requires said targets to be on the field, pokemons that are recalled don't get the effect. Effect may be drastically reduced for revival items.

[Dracorion]

Here are my ideas for Pierce's Co-op technique and Signature Sequences:

Co-op Technique (Tyranitar & Blaziken)
Hellfire: Tyranitar launches four enemies into the sky with a powerful Earthquake, while Blaziken leaps into the air and delivers a powerful aerial beatdown to the enemies. Then Tyranitar pummels them with large rocks using Stone Edge, and Blaziken fires a powerful Overheat until finally the unlucky targets come crashing to the ground in a large fireball.
Effect: Critical damage dealt to four targets. 80% chance to inflict burn status on all targets.
Consumes 80/100 Rage Points.

Signature Sequence (Shizuka)
Apple Rain: Shizuka causes a shower of apples to fall from the sky, and she and Pierce split all of them in half in a flurry of strikes, dealing damage to five enemies.
Effect: Extreme damage dealt to five enemies.
Consumes 80/100 Rage Points.

Signature Sequence (Chizuru)
(no name yet): Chizuru taunts six enemies (regardless of type) and skillfully dodges their attacks. Then she and Pierce counterattack.
Effect: Six enemies' turns nullified. Small damage dealt to enemies.
Consumes 50/100 Rage Points.

Gotta think of a name for that last one.

EDIT: Y'know, I'm kinda worried I may be underestimating Rage Points. For all I know, they're going to be dropping like party favors.

I wonder what Charlotte would've said if Pierce hadn't added the "within reason" clause to his offer.

[Astral Harmony]

Multi-hit attacks will not generate more Rage than single-hit attacks.

Testament Drives will no longer self-activate upon defeat. No more Legend Bombing for you.

And I thought Geminex sent me a PM saying everyone agreed that he was the leader? Well, you all can work together on deciding formation setup and DSS slot allocation.

And fine, here's a goddamned sexy picture! Whiny little nose-pickin' perverts...

So, which girl gets hotter when she grows up?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/PN1533/May/2008091518333767.jpg

May or...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/Mikeachu/Misty/Pokemon__Kasumi_20yrs_by_khanshin.jpg

Misty?

Either way, I'd definitely play a lot more Pokemon if I knew I'd have a traveling companion like that. Catching powerful animals is fine, but everyone knows that kids, especially grown up kids, would really go on an RPG-style adventure to find the hawtness they just can't find in their cozy little four-house village. Pretty RPG anime girls are what we really want to catch all of.

As for example Pokemon Co-Ops, Dracorian did an excellent job of creating some. I could approve any of those. Use those as a template.

[Dracorion]

And I thought Geminex sent me a PM saying everyone agreed that he was the leader? Well, you all can work together on deciding formation setup and DSS slot allocation..

Not yet. Not until Mission 4 ends, I believe.

May or Misty?

Can I pick both? I pick both.

I've already got an idea for my first custom item. Now I just gotta come up with a second one.

Which reminds me: PC Trainers can create customized accessories to be held by their two Leader Pokemon.

That's what you said, AB. Does that mean they'd be accessories, like scarves? Pretty little things that waste a pokemon's only item slot but don't really do anything? Or are they functional items?

[Astral Harmony]

Ah. Well, then I guess you all hold joint leadership.

Oh, and Geminex asked about something else I forgot to put in.

The Sniper specialty won't be in the actual formation. Their job is to follow you from a high vantage point and take out designated targets. Their attacks will deal damage with very high critical hit modifiers that will also tear apart the Morale Integrity Value. They're also your only means of dealing with enemy Snipers directly.

Certain factors will affect Snipers. Snipers lose the ability to attack when a Sandstorm and/or Hailstorm are in effect until the Engineer places a targeting beacon on the designated target. Otherwise, they won't fire for risk of hitting an ally.

And no, Charlotte, you can't order the Engineer to put a targeting beacon on Pierce.

...And I won't give you the Sniper speciality, either.

...And I won't let you bribe the Sniper.

Damn, I'm going to be at this all day because I know Charlotte's going to find a loophole.

[Dracorion]

See my edits.

[Astral Harmony]

Of course they're gonna be functional, you nimrod!

Damn, both you and Menarker are nimrods. 2/5 down, baby!

These accessories are best described as accessories you won't pick up anywhere else, like those orbs that only Dialga and Palkia can equip which boosts both of their types.

[Dracorion]

Hey, it's not my fault I can't predict what the hell you come up with.

Anyway, can Sniper Snaggers still Snag enemy pokemon?

For that matter, can Sniper Trainers catch fainted rogue pokemon?

Man, I already know what Pierce's thoughts about Aster Lloyd are. "I can't believe they found someone even gayer than Renny." I'm pretty sure his faith in humanity is destroyed now.

Which reminds me, there are a couple of throwaway lines I wanted to give you jerks for Pierce's sidequest:

Remember how you all thought Pierce's speech was totally out of character (y'know, aside from the fact that I botched it and so it's not Pierce's fault)? Turns out he's a lot more innocent than he seems.

Also, Pierce's sister Sam has always lived in Wintervale. Always. Y'know, until she's turned into a brainwashed zombie, that is.

Here ya go, AB:

[Held Item] Terra Hammer (Pierce's Tyranitar only): Boosts the power of Tyranitar's attacks by 5%. Tyranitar's Sandstorm does double damage to enemies and doesn't damage allies.

One down, one to go.

[Astral Harmony]

No, Sniper Snaggers cannot catch Pokemon. There isn't going to be a Sniper Snagger. The Snaggers you do get will fall into Specialties that will actually be in the formation.

As for a Sniper Trainer, that also won't be possible.

I'd give Terra Hammer a 50/100 Rage Point cost. Hell, I'll probably give Shannon's Abomasnow the same Pokemon Co-Op. One thing you should consider is that the sandstorm will subside should Tyranitar either be defeated or recalled. Keep him out on the battlefield as much as you can to maximize the number of turns that Co-Op is in play.

[Dracorion]

Errrmm. I meant it as Tyranitar's custom item. I mean, I already came up with Hellfire for him and Blaziken.

EDIT: Can we still use Focus and Divide the way we used to without expending Rage Points? Y'know, Focus dealing x1.5 damage and whatnot?

[Astral Harmony]

Oh. Damn, now I'm the nimrod.

As for that other thing, no. Now go drink something and kinda mellow out, y'know?

[Dracorion]

I'm going to go on ahead and assume it's approved. If it helps, I only added the "Held item" bit after you posted. To screw with you.

So here's my other custom item:

[Held Item] Lighting Gun (Pierce's Nagarai only): What can I say? It's a big fuckin' gun that shoots lightning. The gun has a three-turn charge-up period. So every three turns, Aria can use a 150 power Electric-type attack that has a 100% chance of causing Paralysis. While the gun charges, Aria can still take normal actions, although using the gun counts as her action that turn.

Now go drink something and kinda mellow out, y'know?

No! You can't tell me what to do! YOU'RE NOT MY REAL FATHER.

[Menarker]

@AB: Actually, when people hear the word nimrod, they may think of a fool or lunkhead, but the word actually comes from a powerful figure in The Bible and Mesopotamian mythology. Nimrod was such a great hunter that his name became synonymous with hunters (The RAF even named a reconnaisance plane after him). However, when a popular Looney Tunes short featured Bugs Bunny calling Elmer Fudd a "poor little Nimrod," kids assumed that the word was an insult, and the interpretation stuck.

Anyhow, thinking of custom items too.

I chose May by the way. ^^


AB, I got two ideas of Co-op Technique involving Renny. According to AB, the technique can be used even if that pokemon isn't actually summoned on the field since it's the Trainer that's originating its power with the help of the pokemon's presence. It's still tentative though. I got to consider new custom items as well for leader pokemons and all that.

Serene Blessing:
Description: Renny and Togekiss are so synced in their harmonic and peaceful relationship, their powerful example create a radius of happiness and good fortune. Such luck is so powerful it can cause attacks targetting them to miss or be utterly ineffective. Those who becalm themselves and thus spread the peace and harmony expand the aura and its protective power.
Effect: Renny/Togekiss is under the influence of an unbreakable Protect while able to perform their normal action. Allies of Renny in the same battle can expend similar amounts of rage to apply Protect to themselves and their charges or to someone else they desire to protect while still able to perform their move for the turn. Thus someone can pay double price if they want to protect themselves and someone else who is low on rage.

Useful for granting a turn of buff, healing, or alpha striking without getting hurt at all, at the cost of some rage (although that can be mitigated somewhat by the fact that you still get your action for the turn to generate it, but if you spend rage for the protection, you might not have enough to use some other abilities that use it.)

Alternatively... (Or maybe I can use this following one for Lola-SyncTech... It works well enough, especially with items.)

Plenty and Prosperity
Description: Renny and Togekiss/Lola well-wishes for their allies comes in the form of gifts. Even a single gift can sustain the well-being of several friends! If used with an offensive item, foes will do well to fear their gift of supportive firepower.
Effect: This counts as an item use action. Choose a single item. Its effect is applied to as many allies or foes on the field as desired, keeping its full effect for each and every one. Thus one Full Restore will heal the entire party entirely. Supreme Upgrade will give EVERYONE 3 stages boost to all stats (Those with Simple ability like Mollesk get 6 to all stats!). Suppressive Haze will knock off 25 rage from all foes. Since it requires said targets to be on the field, pokemons that are recalled don't get the effect. Effect may be drastically reduced for revival items.

EDIT: Do custom items have to be specific for particular leader pokemon like how Pierce has it or can I make custom items that I can move around from pokemon to pokemon so long as they are leader class?

I'm trying to think awful hard because this rage system and the unrevealed database is probably going to change the effectiveness of Pokemon Breeder class.

Maybe describe in more details about the Pokemon Alphas which the Dark and Light used which you compared to the Pokemon Breeder?

[Dracorion]

Hmm... Menarker's post said that back at the party Rayleen went back to Renny's room after her watch. She would've had to pass through the main room to get to Renny's room, yes? Does that mean she saw Pierce and Shizuka?

Because I don't think I'd mind if there were spectators.

Anyway, I don't think custom items have to be specific to pokemon, I just like mine that way. Since my leaders won't change anyway (except maybe I'll switch from Aria to Blaziken, sometime maybe, in which case I already have a custom item in mind for Blaziken).

[Geminex]

And I thought Geminex sent me a PM saying everyone agreed that he was the leader?

Eh. I have Charlotte's support now, and Renny and Pierce will gradually come around. Hell, Renny didn't actually give me a time limit, so I could, in theory, claim it right now. That'd give me 3/5. I won't, mind you, but I could. So be nice.

And as for "Enmakki wants world domination".
Fair enough. So you have justification.
But see, it doesn't come down to Impact vs. Enmakki.
It's Drac vs. Gem.
You really think you could be successful?

And hell, sure, James Bond villains tend to lose. But that just means that my own plans for world domination are going to be unsuccessful. Impact? Impact's going to blow you all away.
But anyway, enough with the insulting.

Signature techniques...

I really don't know whom to get a co-op with. I take it that Dinner's unavailable... So what to do? Kirie? Do I wait to see what the new recruits're like? Gimme some advice, people!
And I'm still working on my own technique as well. I can't give him mind-control yet, or I'd do that. So... assasination? Shock and awe? Lemme think...

And are Slayers gonna get items comparable to what trainers are getting right now?

And yeah, May as well.

[Dracorion]

There is never enough insulting going on.

You could always get one with Rayleen. Or yeah, Kirie, although I can't see Impact and her having too much in common.

Assassination is probably your best bet at a Signature Technique.

And hey, lay off the customs. You get badass accessories. And you get to carry six items.

[Menarker]

Eh. I have Charlotte's support now, and Renny and Pierce will gradually come around. Hell, Renny didn't actually give me a time limit, so I could, in theory, claim it right now. That'd give me 3/5. I won't, mind you, but I could. So be nice.


That's because Renny is mostly supportive to just about anyone so long as he/she has good ideas and doesn't betray his trust or say something which could imply that as a chance. Impact could feasibly request temporary leadership for a mission, giving a plan and how he might go about it, and if it sounds good, Renny might pass on some authority. Repeat until Renny is either no longer considered a leader or until Impact screw up or until he reveals his true nature.

And are Slayers gonna get items comparable to what trainers are getting right now?


I'd say no on custom items for same reasons. You don't even get to use hold items, and technically the trainers don't get them either. They are pokemon unique. Hence why you got accessories. At best, you could request a custom accessory in a future update or so from AB.


And yeah, May as well.


Amen to that, my brother! :3:

[Dracorion]

You two are silly.

Why be content with one when you can pick both?

[Geminex]

Hence why you got accessories.
We get accessories to make up for the fact that our attacks only do damage, with no side-effects. We get 6 items and better stats to make up for the fact that there's only one of us.


Impact could feasibly request temporary leadership for a mission, giving a plan and how he might go about it, and if it sounds good, Renny might pass on some authority.
This bit confuses me. Does Renny have any authority to pass on? Rayleen scrapped the "make Renny leader" plans. He's no more in charge than Charlotte is, officially.
...
Right?

[Menarker]

You're forgetting that your stats start at psuedo legendary and will only go up higher and now you got the ability to re-use your accessories as part of the Rage system.

Well, the vote never actually got made on whether to remove Renny's position and Rayleen never actually revoked Renny's leadership. Hence why I said what I said.

Same thing still roughly apply. Renny is pretty supportive, but it's something you can only count on if you make it seem like your idea is the best and most plausible one, although Renny is willing to help out think of ideas to make a decent plan even better if the opening is there.

[Dracorion]

We get accessories to make up for the fact that our attacks only do damage, with no side-effects. We get 6 items and better stats to make up for the fact that there's only one of us.

Really? Because y'know, looking at the descriptions for Slayer weapons, seems to me like a lot of them can cause status effects. You get accessories to make up for the fact that you don't get stat decreases or increases and shit, and also as your custom items.

But hey, like Menarker said, AB would probably let you come up with your own custom accessories, so go nuts.

This bit confuses me. Does Renny have any authority to pass on? Rayleen scrapped the "make Renny leader" plans. He's no more in charge than Charlotte is, officially.
...
Right?

Renny is definitely leader. Definitely. Sure. Forever. Why not?

EDIT: Seriously now, in response to the above post, both Rayleen and AB relented on making Renny leader. We agreed that he would lead for his sidequest, but that's it.

[Geminex]

Well, the vote never actually got made on whether to remove Renny's position and Rayleen never actually revoked Renny's leadership. Hence why I said what I said.
Well, now, that isn't
Ah. Well, then I guess you all hold joint leadership.
correct now,
"Well, if Mister Tresserhorn is in agreement, then I apologize for taking matters in my own hands. I may be the District Chief, but you're now an official squad. I really should learn to stop babying my own subordinates."
is it?

Rayleen never directly said "Renny is no longer leader", but come on. She's saying that she shouldn't have pronounced Renny leader. That's a demotion right there, my friend.

As for the slayer accessories, ok, screw that. I'm in no mood for a discussion.

[Menarker]

Ah, I see where you're coming from. Fair enough. But that hardly changes how Renny tends to behave anyhow and it's barely counts as a hurdle to get his support, so it's not like anything really changed. You just gotta make it sound like the best idea in the room and you'll likely get his approval. Even more so if you actually take what he says seriously and not shut him down like time he suggested the bank robbery might have been organized.

[Dracorion]

The time he suggested the bank robbery might have been organized was wild speculation. I mean, come on, what evidence did he have to support that? All we knew was that a group of thieves had decided to steal something valuable.

He only recently just found out that there was another party involved.

[Menarker]

He was trying to spark a conversation with someone else. He wasn't going to stake anything on it, but was trying to see if someone like Matthias at the time had any insight they could provide. Some of the circumstances were rather odd.

Basically, a character would easily find it much easier to earn his trust if they stopped doing something to the effect of "Shut up Bernard!" when said dog is barking at a threat looming around the metaphorical house.

Just saying. :3 I'm pretty certain you got the picture. No offical leader, Renny be easy to get support if you seem earnest in listening to him and you provide good reasons for why you think your idea is the best without accidently revealing something questionable.

[Astral Harmony]

Serene Blessing will cost 70/100 RPs. To spread the effect, other characters need 35 RPs for themselves and others, each.

Plenty and Prosperity will cost 50/100 RPs from Renny and Lola both.

You can make those custom items however you like.

Pokemon Alphas are just beefed up Pokemon. In a way, they are actually even stronger than a Pokemon that's been twinked to be as strong as it possibly can. Their attacks are more damaging, their defenses are greater, they even have Abilities and moves they couldn't have any other way. Pokemon Alphas will be much more fearsome in future encounters. Especially when they're legendaries.

If you wanted Rayleen to have seen you, then she did, Pierce. She didn't pay it any mind, though, and she's not about to offer constructive criticism.

[Geminex]

Well, Renny neeeds to support Impact for our deal to have its terms fullfilled. There's no strings attached, there, there was no condition "Renny will support Impact only if Impact is extra special nice to him".


Though, of course, perhaps you're just suggesting a good way for Impact to justify getting Renny's support IC. In which case, I might try to follow up on that super-special-nice thing.

[Dracorion]

If you wanted Rayleen to have seen you, then she did, Pierce. She didn't pay it any mind, though, and she's not about to offer constructive criticism.

What, really? Not even a thumbs up and a little "gee, dude, awesome job boning THE LEADER OF THE FREAKIN' KIMONOS"?

Bastard.

[Menarker]

Well, Renny neeeds to support Impact for our deal to have its terms fullfilled. There's no strings attached, there, there was no condition "Renny will support Impact only if Impact is extra special nice to him".


Though, of course, perhaps you're just suggesting a good way for Impact to justify getting Renny's support IC. In which case, I might try to follow up on that super-special-nice thing.

The second thing. :3 I know about the agreement. ^^ Just doing my part as a roleplayer. ^,^

[Astral Harmony]

Rayleen might say "Now I know why you're called 'Pierce'."

But that's all you get.

Database is still taking forever, so I'm prioritizing the Battle System Tutorial above all else. That document will detail all of the rules (hopefully I won't have forgotten any made long ago) and give you extensive data on each and every NPC combatant that is current available.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm trying to think up a few things right now. First of all, a signature attack. I'm thinking either something heavily offensive with Buck and Spitz, or a support type thing with Hammond and Pike.

2nd, I am thinking about custom items. While Hammond seems like a decent candidate for second leader, I'm actually going to change it to Sol-Leks, so I can give him an Eye-patch of Power accessory.

And thirdly, I'm thinking up a legendary/pseudo-legendary for Charlotte. If I can't find any, then I'll probably just use Suicune.

[Geminex]

Why not make it a superlegendary dog? Like, the pokemon that's to Suicune and gang like Lugia and Ho-oh were to the legendary birds?

And Impact's signature technique...
AB, could I get something stats-boosting?

[Menarker]

Signature Sequences With Your Favorite Gal

If you've ever wished there was proof of your budding relationship with a certain character, here's a good piece of evidence. A powerful Signature Sequence you share! And you don't even have to have that character in your current DSS setup. We're going to have to discuss this part amongst ourselves, actually. I know Renny would be honored to have a Signature Sequence with Lola, but I'm not certain about the rest of you. Pierce will most likely have one with Shizuka, but since Shizuka isn't going to be with you guys for a while...there's some stuff to iron out, obviously. So, as for you other four guys, you can pick a character to create a SignSeq with based on preference and then tell me what you want to have happen in it. Just know that the overall effect of the SignSeq will determine Rage Point cost and will take Rage Points from the both of you. But if that other character isn't in the setup, no worries. It doesn't cost more to do it that way and you don't have to worry about that character not having the Rage Points.

A question, AB. Is there any reason why this is the case? It seems arbituary because practically punishes the PC for partying with the person they supposably built the relationship with. Like Renny is now really good friends with Lola and it seems a good fit that he builds a special move with her. If he teams up with her in the future, he'll be penalizing his group by using up his Rage and hers instead of just him and no one else if Lola isn't in the group. It's like there is no benefit for being friends with her once you get the move. Romance/befriend her and dump her on the sidelines for cheaper and more effective combat utility. You get my gist?

Maybe make it so only one of them incurs the cost (the PC if he/she is by him/herself), and if they are both together, maybe a special bonus that isn't available if he/she was alone.)

[Astral Harmony]

Of course you can, Geminex. Go ahead and Impact a super Libido Power.

And no, I don't get your gist. You're saying you want to spend double the Rage Points to use a SignSeq because the other user isn't deployed?

[Menarker]

Basically with the setup as it is...

A: Renny is in group with Lola. He uses technique. Both of them have to pay 50 rage points
B: Renny is in group and Lola is NOT with him. He spends 50 rage points and gets same effect because according to your rule, the cost doesn't change if she isn't available.

Proposed idea.
A: Renny is in group and Lola is not with him. Spends 50 points and gets normal effect.
B: Renny is in group and Lola is with him. Renny only pays 50 rage points and gets the normal thing as well as a Special relationship bonus that gets added for having her in the group as well. (Maybe increase the bonus if she pays too or something as an optional thing or so.)

[Geminex]

Well, he's saying that players are discouraged from having the character they're SignSeq-ing with in their party, because if said character is in the party, they're effectively spending twice the rage points.

He's annoyed because he's going to have to choose between having Lola in his team, and being all lovey-dovey with her, or being able to use use their SignSeq effectively.

So what he wants you to do is have only one character pay the RP cost, and deduct further RPs from the cost if both characters are on-field.

[Dracorion]

Or you could just, y'know, split the RP cost between the characters when they're both on the field.

By the way, Gem, Pierce and Charlotte are supposed to be whispering. Or at least Pierce is supposed to be whispering.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Needs a bit of updating NPC wise, but I decided to post it here so it doesn't become a hassle to find it in the future.

Slayers
Geminex (Ray Green:Impact) (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015565&postcount=25)
Armored Bishoujo's NPC (Rayleen) (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1018064&postcount=6)

Trainers
Bard (Charlotte Beaufort: Madame Ursurang) (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015435&postcount=14)
Menarker (Renny Tresserhorn) (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015554&postcount=23)
Dracorion (Pierce Granger) (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015686&postcount=29)

Pokebrids
DanteFalcon (Matthias Sona: Oberon) (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015494&postcount=19)
Armored Bishoujo's NPC (Rachel McConnelly:Princess) (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015813&postcount=41)

Name: Dormond Ferguson
Alias: None
Age: 53
Gender: Male
Class: Pokébrid (Mawile)
Appearance: Imagine your standard butler. Grey hair, small mustache, gentlemanly stature and superb manners. Now imagine him with a giant set of jaws hanging from a fleshly black protrusion on the back of his head. He dyes his mustache black because the genes turned his hair black, and wears gloves to hide the fact that his hands are black as well.
Backstory / Personality: A butler serving in Rayleen's family for at least three generations, Dormond personally blames himself for Rayleen's suffering when her father and fiancé were killed. His relationship with Rayleen is deep and he considers himself her personal champion, protector of body and mind.

Name: Lola Phelps
Alias: Queen of Hearts
Age: 23
Gender: Female
Class: Pokébrid (Lopunny)
Appearance: Lola is a bombshell in Nurse's whites. Strangely enough, her naturally pink hair has affected the Lopunny genes somewhat, turning the brown fur as pink as her hair. One would expect her to have other features, but do to adding hair removal in undesireable places as part of her personal care regimen, there are no tufts of furr on her wrists, eyebrows, or on the sides of her knees.
Backstory / Personality: Lola has been working as a trainee nurse for about five years, and as a registered nurse for less, but she's damn good at the job of healing others. One of the small disappointments in her life is that far too many people come to see her just to see her. Seriously, a stomacheache? Your leg fell asleep, that's all. I'm sorry, I don't see an open head wound. Yeeeeah. Lola wants to prove her potential by dealing with the worst injuries a man could ever suffer from without dying, yet for this professional, she may get bored quickly.

[Menarker]

Or you could just, y'know, split the RP cost between the characters when they're both on the field.



Current set up is that Renny pays 50 if he's by himself.
Current set up is that Renny and Lola together pay 100 while being together for the same effect.

Proposed suggestion is what I said above, but if we use Drac's suggestion, the other proposed idea would be...
Proposed set up: Renny pays 50 if he's by himself.
Proposed set up: Renny and Lola pay 50 rage in any combination amongst themselves. (Not including the other stuff above I mentioned.) So Renny could pay 30 and she pays 20, or he pays 10 and she pays 40, or what not.

Not increase the price for having your chosen partner on the field whom the technique was supposed to be built in mind for. Especially without any boost in performance.

It's like if Pierce could do Apple Rain by himself with no penalty if she isn't there. But if she IS there, the cost is doubled since she has to pay too for no extra power. Which is odd since she's supposed to be easing the burden and helping him while using all her skills as a fighter, morale boost aside, and anyone would think that two strong warriors like Pierce and Shizuka together would do the job easier and better together than Pierce alone.

[Dracorion]

When I said split the RP cost, I meant, in Renny's case, Renny spends 25 and Lola spends 25.

Y'know, half&half.

I dislike your idea because I prefer having Signature Sequences mean a strong connection with the other character, not being used to get a stronger connection. But that's my preference.

To put it another way: Menarker wants to be able to abuse his Signature Sequence to stack up Sex Points with Lola and bone her sooner.

[Astral Harmony]

Understood. If both characters are on the field, that RP cost is split between them. But you can't do a custom division like 10 and 40 for a 50 cost. I keel you.

[Bard The 5th LW]

To put it another way: Menarker wants to be able to abuse his Signature Sequence to stack up Sex Points with Lola and bone her sooner.

Did you just realize it?

He takes about every two seconds to establish Renny's love for her. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday)

[Menarker]

When I said split the RP cost, I meant, in Renny's case, Renny spends 25 and Lola spends 25.

Y'know, half&half.

I dislike your idea because I prefer having Signature Sequences mean a strong connection with the other character, not being used to get a stronger connection. But that's my preference.

To put it another way: Menarker wants to be able to abuse his Signature Sequence to stack up Sex Points with Lola and bone her sooner.

I resent that statement as an inaccurate view of what I tried to say. >_> (even though I wouldn't object to it if it did work like that. ^,^)

Basically, the bonus part I was talking about was just the team-work aspect that Drac decided to put in another way. Drac said split the cost, and I said give a bonus to the technique if they are together. I never said anything about it actually boosting her affection.

Still, Drac's price splitting thing is a good way to possibly look at it too.

EDIT: Thanks AB!

EDIT: Posting the previously approved Pokemon Breeder stuff for my reference. I might appeal for some changes due to the changes made in the system such the rage stuff and all. (Especially since custom items are being granted to every trainer and that was one of the supposed specific benefits of the class.)


AB: (All the following is regarding the Pokemon Breeder thing)


(After Renny's Sidequest)

All Pokemon on Renny's Team gains these abilities in addition to a level boost:

Enhanced Focus: Focus now doubles the power instead of multiplying by 1.5x.

Enhanced Divide: Using Divide would reduce the power from 50% of power to 75% when using Divide on offensive moves or negate the accuracy drop in the case of Divide being used with status moves. (Moves like Confuse Ray hit 100% when divided between two pokemons)

Rehearsed Training: Being able to change movesets of all pokemons once per mission in between combat, and one pokemon will be able to have their moves changed DURING combat or during a time when there is no time for discussion. (Emergency action)

Two Custom Item


(After Mission 4 or so)

All of Renny's Pokemon gain the following in addition to level boost:

Custom Move: All pokemon gains a powerful custom move. Takes up a move slot.

Controlled Technique: Control allows a move that would have a negative effect like hitting an ally (like Earthquake or Surf) to not take place without dropping or raising the power of the attack.

Two Custom Item


(After Mission 5 or so)

All of Renny's Pokemon gain the following:

Pokemon Master: All pokemons are level 100. (Assuming that pokemons of the other trainers are around level 80 or 85ish fairly soon) Stats will be listed in bio, but typically assumes that 2 of each of the pokemons stats are at their maximum value as according to Serebii's website, as a result of careful EV training. Assumes that nature is beneficial regardless of actual pokemon's personality.

Testament Drive: All pokemons having a sort of Testament Drive that's weaker than the legendary pokemon version and usable once per combat. Leader Pokemons get ones that only slightly weaker from legendaries.

Two Custom Item

[Geminex]

Hadn't you agreed to drop the custom moves? I could have sworn you had...

[Menarker]

Nope, that wasn't the one dropped. The one I dropped was the one I proposed to have an HM move with power of 100 and either element the pokemon was.

Never agreed to drop custom moves, especially not when Pierce gets to make his own moves with the sort of power that got approved. Renny supposed to be the pokemon master of this group. :3:

AB had approved it and you said it wouldn't be a problem because it wouldn't be granted all at once but in several intervals.

Of course, a few things will need to be changed... Thinking on it though.

I'll have to change something to deal with the changes in Divide and Focus, since that's been altered by the rage system that Renny was supposed to get as his upgrade after this mission.

The data is all in thread 16.

[Dracorion]

Ah, bullshit. You thought of splitting the rage points consumed evenly, you just wanted to get more Sex points with Lola.

I mean, if I thought of it, you expect me to believe you didn't?

Also, the moves I came up with are Co-Op moves, or Nagarai's Lightning Gun which is an item. If you want, you can give Swampert a giant axe that does 200 power damage or something.

[Menarker]

The custom move I was talking about was your Enmakki's Auto-sleep/Nightmare move combined in one. Very powerful despite the fact that your character isn't upgrading into a pokemon specific class, but into something else. Half Demon, if I recall correctly?

Renny IS upgrading into a pokemon trainer specific class. Seems rather natural. Mind you, AB had approved getting custom moves and all that already. (And it wasn't supposed to come until after mission 4 or so.)

EDIT: Things that had been granted to other trainers too and thus isn't a Pokemon Breeder specific bonus anymore:

Improved Focus: AB granted something like this to all trainers. Also got a cost.

Improved Divide: AB granted something like this to all trainers. Also got a cost.

Custom Items (The first two at least. Maybe make Renny's items stronger than the others as part of the Pokemon Breeder thing?)


Things that might need editing:

Pokemon Master: AB said that Pokemon Alphas are what the Pokemon Breeder class pokemons would be like in terms of power, and are better than what the best of EV breeding would be.

Testament Drive: Now has a cost to it.


Things that are fine still:

Rehearsed Training

Custom Moves

Controlled Technique.


Now to think of what to put in to replace the ones that were removed...



AB: (All the following is regarding the Pokemon Breeder thing)


(After Renny's Sidequest)

All Pokemon on Renny's Team gains these abilities in addition to a level boost:

Rehearsed Training: Being able to change movesets of all pokemons once per mission in between combat, and one pokemon will be able to have their moves changed DURING combat or during a time when there is no time for discussion. (Emergency action)

Two new Leader Pokemons (For a total of 4 leader pokemons)

Two Enhanced Custom Item


(After Mission 3 or so)

All of Renny's Pokemon gain the following in addition to level boost:

Two New Leader Pokemons (All pokemons are now leader types)

Controlled Technique: Control allows a move that would have a negative effect like hitting an ally (like Earthquake or Surf) to not take place without dropping or raising the power of the attack.

Two Enhanced Custom Items


(After Mission 4 or so)

All of Renny's Pokemon gain the following:

Custom Move: All pokemon gains a powerful custom move. Takes up a move slot.

Pokemon Master: All pokemons are level 100. (Assuming that pokemons of the other trainers are around level 80 or 85ish fairly soon) Stats will be listed in bio, but typically assumes that 3 of each of the pokemons stats are at their maximum value as according to Serebii's website, as a result of careful EV training. Assumes that nature is beneficial regardless of actual pokemon's personality.
In addition, the pokemons count as Pokemon Alphas. even stronger than a Pokemon that's been twinked to be as strong as it possibly can. Their attacks are more damaging, their defenses are greater, they even have Abilities and moves they couldn't have any other way. (This is quoted from AB)


Testament Drive: All pokemons have a sort of Testament Drive that's only weaker than the legendary pokemon version and usable once per combat at greatly reduced cost (or even free?).

Two Enhanced Custom Item


Delayed the custom moves until last reward, kept the rewards in 3 step intervals, more leaders so eventually each pokemon is capable of using any of Renny's custom items. Will be pokemon Alphas at the end, which AB said they would be like and that they are stronger than what EV training could ever do.

[Geminex]

Ok...

But there's a problem. AB said we don't actually all dual-class until after mission 4. Which means that Renny'd only become a pokemon breeder after mission 4. So you might need to rework that schedule.

Edit:
Other than that, though, I'd be fine with that, provided you still get the stuff gradually.
And AB had better not be stingy with the half-demon bonuses, otherwise he'll feel my german rage.

My accent gives me super strength!

[Dracorion]

Whoa, whoa. Six leader pokemon? Hell no, absolutely not.

I can get behind Renny having four leader pokemon, at most. I don't care if you want to justify it with "Renny loves all his pokemon equally!". One or two always end up falling behind. So just say Mollesk is retarded and Magnezone doesn't care or however you want to put it.

I mean, you get custom moves, buffed up stats, Testament Drives and Pokemon Fuckin' Alphas. I'm drawing the line at four leader pokemon. Cross it if you fucking dare.

[Astral Harmony]

He'll be lucky to get more than 2 Leader Pokemon.

I need to have a good look at that, and I need to put something else out:

At current, each PC has a single class at Level 4. Impact's a Level 4 Slayer, the Trainer Trio are Level 4 Trainers, Matthias is a Level 4 Pokebrid. After Mission 3, I'll put out Level 5. After mission 4, something changes.

This is the part where you start dual-classing or increasing the level of your single class. In other words, you can choose to go to Level 6 with your primary class, or start a secondary class at Level 1.

Pokemon breedering won't start before I say it does. I might've approved it before, but that's before I came up with this. I keel you.

[Geminex]

Ok, that's cool.

So, wait, would Renny's breeder class be an actual dual-class, or would he just be putting more levels into trainer?

[DanteFalcon]

Matthias maybe finally deciding to take the initiative. We'll see what I draw.

[Astral Harmony]

He'd be putting more levels into Trainer. The Super Class (Level 6 and beyond) for Trainers is Breeders. Slayers become Ragnaroks (or something else cool-sounding). Pokebrids become Ascended. And Snaggers'll be...well, I'll think about that when the time comes. I wanna say Befrienders, but that feels kinda gay.

I'm gonna go chill for the rest of the night. All this time spent in front of the cold, unfeeling light of my monitor makes my legs ache and I should get some jogging in so they'd stop aching. I guess the Battle System Tutorial is around 70% done? I'm working on the characters. The Shock Troopers, Medics, and half of the Snipers're done, which leaves the rest of the Snipers, the Engineers, and the Enforcers. I should have it all done Tuesday, maybe Wednesday afternoon. Plenty of time for you guys to get all those other pesky questions out of your systems and think about your Signature Techniques / Pokemon Co-Ops / Signature Sequences. And you can build friendships, kinships, and relationships since you're not on the battlefield.

Man, I really hope Ar Tonelico III comes stateside and I can't wait to pick up Record of Agarest War. I loves me some RPGs with strong dating sim elements! Thousand Arms started me on the path of evil.

[Geminex]

He'd be putting more levels into Trainer. The Super Class (Level 6 and beyond) for Trainers is Breeders. Slayers become Ragnaroks (or something else cool-sounding). Pokebrids become Ascended. And Snaggers'll be...well, I'll think about that when the time comes. I wanna say Befrienders, but that feels kinda gay.
What do demons become? Like, after mission 4, I'll be picking demon as my dual class. So I'll be a Level 5 Slayer/Level 1 Demon. Demon will count as a class, right? One that I can level up, and that gets upgraded? So, when I get my 6th demon level, would I just be a full demon?

And Falcon, that's bullshit. "Information Control" is literally nothing but manipulating people's emotions and fooling them. You're counting on them reacting in a certain way to a certain piece of information, so you can exert control over them by giving them certain pieces of information. They can react emotionally (in which case you'd be manipulating people's emotions) or rationally (in which case you'd be fooling them).

Edit:
And, AB, will the benefits from further leveling up in a class increase as your level in that class increases?

Edit2:
And I think Menarker's right. Dark Abyss is pretty powerful at the moment. Menarker has a right to be territorial. Of course, I don't want to give him his super-moves. So remove his right to be territorial.
AB, propose that Dark Abyss be nerfed (accuracy halved) and Menarker drop his request for super-powerful custom moves.
Drac, there's nothing justifying why Enmakki should get a super-move. Even with half accuracy it'd still be pretty powerful.
Menarker, there's nothing encroaching on your territory, I'd be fine with custom moves, but let's keep using Dark Abyss as a comparison. Meaning you get pretty good stuff, but nothing super-powerful.

[Menarker]

Whoa, whoa. Six leader pokemon? Hell no, absolutely not.

I can get behind Renny having four leader pokemon, at most. I don't care if you want to justify it with "Renny loves all his pokemon equally!". One or two always end up falling behind. So just say Mollesk is retarded and Magnezone doesn't care or however you want to put it.

I mean, you get custom moves, buffed up stats, Testament Drives and Pokemon Fuckin' Alphas. I'm drawing the line at four leader pokemon. Cross it if you fucking dare.


My main justification for all of them being leader pokemons, aside from the "all of them are being loved equally", is for total freedom on items and abilities. AB currently put a restriction on customs items and abilities like that Berserker one requiring to be one, and at the moment, being a leader grants 2 extra moves, but not much else like a power boost or so, unless I'm mistaken.

Normally I would have Swampert as a leader since it's so damn reliable and powerful and charismatic... but he is working perfectly fine with 4 moves since he is a basic high power attacker, so 4 is enough to cover for most weaknesses and resistances. In contrast, normally I wouldn't instinctively choose Umbreon, but she really needs a few more slots to be really effective (Too many moves to choose from for a support set).
But I pretty much want the freedom to put my custom items or leader pokemon specific bonuses on any of my pokemons. (Maybe have it so all my pokemons become eligible for any bonuses and equipment that require Leader Pokemon classification even if they aren't actually leaders? Although making them all leaders would be wonderful still.)

Mollesk is already a leader pokemon. (Powerful and needs more slots to be really effective). Doesn't help you're mistaken about one other factor about Mollesk. :3:

If I really have to edit something to make room, I'll edit Testament drive again so only Leader pokemons have it. That should tone things down a bit so the leader pokemons don't sound so harsh.

As for waiting until later, no problem. I was just following with what AB approved earlier.

Anyhow, plenty of time still, so we'll see.

Anyhow, one of the custom moves I had in mind as a power level comparision... See what you think? (For Umbreon)

Scapegoat (Dark Status move) *A Follow Me Varient*
Select any friendly target (yourself included) and then another friendly target. All moves that would target that ally is redirected to a different ally of the user's choice. If the pokemon is attacked with a move that hit multiple opponent, reduce its power by 50% but it doesn't get redirected. If the scapegoated pokemon is knocked out, all moves that would have targetted it if it was still conscious still get redirected and is wasted.

"Why no, I never intended to select Pierce's pokemons or Impact as my scapegoat to protect myself, why did you ask?"

[Dracorion]

What do demons become? Like, after mission 4, I'll be picking demon as my dual class. So I'll be a Level 5 Slayer/Level 1 Demon. Demon will count as a class, right? One that I can level up, and that gets upgraded? So, when I get my 6th demon level, would I just be a full demon?

God help me, I'm going to go on ahead and propose something crazy here: Impact dual-classes to Ragnarok, then goes half-demon for the stat bonuses. Then he goes Demon, but doesn't get any stat boosts out of it, just mind control.

We can have Ragnarok replace full Demon as your dual-class, but you'd still get to keep mind control.

Edit2:
And I think Menarker's right. Dark Abyss is pretty powerful at the moment. Menarker has a right to be territorial. Of course, I don't want to give him his super-moves. So remove his right to be territorial.
AB, propose that Dark Abyss be nerfed (accuracy halved) and Menarker drop his request for super-powerful custom moves.
Drac, there's nothing justifying why Enmakki should get a super-move. Even with half accuracy it'd still be pretty powerful.mparison. Meaning you get pretty good stuff, but nothing super-powerful.

Oh come ooooonnnn. I really wanted Enmakki to have that move.

But fine, whatever. Jerk. I'll agree to nerf Dark Abyss, but not the accuracy. I want Enmakki to have a 100% accuracy Sleep attack. I'll nerf the Nightmare portion of it instead:

Dark Abyss (Dark): Enmakki engulfs the target in itself and places them in a deep sleep. 100% chance to inflict Sleep and reduces the target's HP by 1/8 of its maximum HP as long as it remains asleep.

Does that sound good enough for you? Also, for my benefit, I'm going to go on ahead and repost Enmakki's other move:

Deathclaw (Dark): Enmakki kills a sleeping target. Enmakki forms a claw, thrusts it into a sleeping target, rips out their heart (and their soul) and consumes it. 40% chance to insta-kill a sleeping target.

Mollesk is already a leader pokemon. (Powerful and needs more slots to be really effective). Doesn't help you're mistaken about one other factor about Mollesk. :3:

So it's just a perverted little turtle, then?

Or drunk off it's own wine. Or both.

"Why no, I never intended to select Pierce's pokemons or Impact as my scapegoat to protect myself, why did you ask?"

Try it. I dare ya. Then we have a perfectly good excuse to kill Renny.

EDIT: Hmm...

Hey AB, can we still dual-class with super classes? I mean, am I allowed to be a Breeder/Slayer?

Since we only get one upgrade for one class every mission, I can't see it being broken.

Hey Bard, out of curiosity, what would Charlotte have said if Pierce hadn't added the "within reason" clause?

[DanteFalcon]

Gem that is completely incorrect.

By controlling the flow of information I can force you to do something whether you like it or not. Not to mention that if a person holds all the information and you learn he's manipulating you he's still in a rather strong position because quite simply, he's more than likely indisposable.

Also, even if you are right this is Matthias. Not me.

[Dracorion]

I think we should bring Plan "Torture Matthias" out of the mothballs.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hey Bard, out of curiosity, what would Charlotte have said if Pierce hadn't added the "within reason" clause?

Man I don't even know. There's only so much that I am willing to write or think of writing. My mind can only go so many places.

[Dracorion]

Care to take a guess?

[Menarker]

Somewhere in the back of his mind, a small voice was shouting about how it couldn't believe that found a guy gayer than Renny, and how it's faith in humanity had been destroyed.

>_> You be treading on thin ground.

[Dracorion]

Oh hey, a typo. I'mma go fix that.

[Menarker]

Hey AB, can we still dual-class with super classes? I mean, am I allowed to be a Breeder/Slayer?

Since we only get one upgrade for one class every mission, I can't see it being broken.



Hey, that's my shit, get your own!

But seriously, I don't imagine it'll be a problem, since my original intent was to go through Breeder until all the upgrades were gained, and if we were still playing, possibly go through the the half demon thing.

Also, I saw nothing stating that there would be only one upgrade per mission. Heck, with the previous one that was approved, there was a few per mission divided in sets. Dunno about now though...

Unless you meant one class upgrade per mission, and the player had to choose between which class to boost.

Wouldn't be sad if Matthias died and we never actually learned anything about his character? He would be the most one dimensional character we'd ever have in the forum... I think.

Anyhow, off to work soon.

[Dracorion]

Okay. We need to formulate a plan "Kill Matthias".

[Bard The 5th LW]

Care to take a guess?

It would probably involve a Lickitounge, a Jynx, and forklift.

And I have no idea what Mattias's sidequest would ensue. The only info we have on him are a couple of informed abilities. He best become important soon.

[Dracorion]

I was hoping that Charlotte would've tried to teach Pierce a lesson by having sex with him. Y'know, angry painful sex. It would eventually devolve into a struggle for control, with the loser becoming the winner's bitch.

See, Pierce would have to win because he would never be Charlotte's bitch. And if he won he certainly wouldn't do anything except go back to the way things were.

So Charlotte would end up hating him and trying to get back at him for beating her and/or joining his harem. I'd be fine with the first one and happy with the second one.

But really, that's just me trying to enforce Pierce's whole sideplot of boning every single chick in the RP.

[Geminex]

By controlling the flow of information I can force you to do something whether you like it or not. Not to mention that if a person holds all the information and you learn he's manipulating you he's still in a rather strong position because quite simply, he's more than likely indisposable.

Ok, gimme an example. How, by controlling the flow of information, can you control my actions without using emotional or rational manipulation?

And I think that, when you discover that your information manager is acting in his own interests, you really won't be interested in letting him retain his position.

And Drac, get off my turf. Subjugating Charlotte is my thing. Or will be, anyway. It'd totally fit the entire "pack" mentality.

[Dracorion]

What, no comment on this: God help me, I'm going to go on ahead and propose something crazy here: Impact dual-classes to Ragnarok, then goes half-demon for the stat bonuses. Then he goes Demon, but doesn't get any stat boosts out of it, just mind control.

We can have Ragnarok replace full Demon as your dual-class, but you'd still get to keep mind control.

And I'm pretty sure my talking about boning all the chicks came before you started talking about getting Charlotte.

Besides, Pierce wouldn't use whatever control he'd have over her.

[Bard The 5th LW]

You do realize that Charlotte just likes dogs because of their brutality potential right?

I believe I may have said this before but I'll have Charlotte say it to make it clear.

Charlotte: I don't really see myself as being part of a team that much. When a mission starts, I mostly am like, 'cool, stuff to kill. Huh? Yeah I guess you guys can come to if you want. I guess.'

She may or may not follow orders after the fact.

I may or may not use that color of text in the future. I'm actually looking for a neat shade of red.

[Geminex]

God help me, I'm going to go on ahead and propose something crazy here: Impact dual-classes to Ragnarok, then goes half-demon for the stat bonuses. Then he goes Demon, but doesn't get any stat boosts out of it, just mind control.

We can have Ragnarok replace full Demon as your dual-class, but you'd still get to keep mind control.
I'm not entirely certain what further levels in demon would end up giving me, so I'm not sure whether that's such a bad idea. I'll wait for AB's response before insulting your mother.
Y'know, let's address that. Hey, AB, what would the effect of dual-classing to demon be? I would have assumed that it's just stats bonuses, but how would that benefit, say, Menarker's breeder?

Oh, and Dark Abyss still seems a little strong. It's still stronger than spore, anyway. Hell, even if you removed the whole "Nightmare" effect altogether, it'd be at spore strength, which is pretty good.

Maybe give it original strength (100% sleep, inflicts nightmare without fail), but Enmakki needs a turn to recharge after using it?

[Dracorion]

Maybe give it original strength (100% sleep, inflicts nightmare without fail), but Enmakki needs a turn to recharge after using it?

Done. We're doing this with Dark Abyss. Approve it, AB.

P.S.: Bard, in my defense, I never said anything about Charlotte having pack mentality. I just talked about Pierce boning her. And Pierce wants nothing to do with her.

[DanteFalcon]

Ok, gimme an example. How, by controlling the flow of information, can you control my actions without using emotional or rational manipulation?

That changes your argument. You were merely making the note of emotional before. Rational and Informational Control are intrinsically linked though not the same. I instead make rational arguments but can change the rationale easily because I'm the one who knows what's going on and thus can change and bend the truth at will.

Also if the person holds all the information then removing him from his particular position is both difficult and hazardous. Should you decide to do so you have to be damn sure he dies. Why? Because he'll more than likely create an opposing side afterwards. Not to mention but the person who knew what was going on just left your team taking a large bit of insight with him.

[Bard The 5th LW]

P.S.: Bard, in my defense, I never said anything about Charlotte having pack mentality. I just talked about Pierce boning her. And Pierce wants nothing to do with her.

It was actually directed towards Geminex.

Impact: I plan on running this like a wolf pack, with the alpha female by my side!

Charlotte: Who? Pierce?

[Dracorion]

Maybe he means Renny.

[Geminex]

That changes your argument. You were merely making the note of emotional before. Rational and Informational Control are intrinsically linked though not the same. I instead make rational arguments but can change the rationale easily because I'm the one who knows what's going on and thus can change and bend the truth at will.

Also if the person holds all the information then removing him from his particular position is both difficult and hazardous. Should you decide to do so you have to be damn sure he dies. Why? Because he'll more than likely create an opposing side afterwards. Not to mention but the person who knew what was going on just left your team taking a large bit of insight with him.

It doesn't change my argument.
"Information Control" is literally nothing but manipulating people's emotions and fooling them. You're counting on them reacting in a certain way to a certain piece of information, so you can exert control over them by giving them certain pieces of information. They can react emotionally (in which case you'd be manipulating people's emotions) or rationally (in which case you'd be fooling them).
There. I referred to both, emotional and rational manipulation. Or did I misinterpret Matt's usage of "fooling"? If so, then apologies. But it did sound like a direct criticism of Impact's method of operation, and since his method isn't limited to emotional manipulation, neither was Matt's criticism (or so I thought).

And thing is, you're not likely to get into a position of information control without extensive emotional manipulation. At least, in this RP.

...
BUT ANYWAY, BACK TO THINGS THAT'RE ACTUALLY RELEVANT.

Bard, Impact needs a way to make Charlotte stay in line. He can either be nice to her and let her break a lot of kneecaps. Or he can control her the way she controls, say, Spitz, by striking fear into her heart. Considering that she appears to be a very phsyical individual, this would involve equally physical conflict punishment. Also, possibly, sex. Carrot and the stick, y'know?
I prefer carrot, mind you... but I want to be able to use stick, should it become necessary.

[Menarker]

I'm not entirely certain what further levels in demon would end up giving me, so I'm not sure whether that's such a bad idea. I'll wait for AB's response before insulting your mother.
Y'know, let's address that. Hey, AB, what would the effect of dual-classing to demon be? I would have assumed that it's just stats bonuses, but how would that benefit, say, Menarker's breeder?

Oh, and Dark Abyss still seems a little strong. It's still stronger than spore, anyway. Hell, even if you removed the whole "Nightmare" effect altogether, it'd be at spore strength, which is pretty good.

Maybe give it original strength (100% sleep, inflicts nightmare without fail), but Enmakki needs a turn to recharge after using it?

Mind you, I didn't mind if Pierce got it as long as I got powerful moves too. (I hope there was no huge issues with the move I provided as a sample), but just for your reference, the recharge time is less of a downside than you would think because Enmakki's ability ensures that it'll deal an additional portion of damage if the pokemon is asleep.

But yes, the revised move sounds better. ^^

And god, everyone (Pierce) is ragging on Renny again. First he's supposably gay, now he's supposed to be the Alpha Female. >_>

[Geminex]

Yes, but I don't want you to get powerful moves. Though that Umbreon thing seems ok... or does it? Your explanation is a bit confusing. Is it "Pick target A and B. Everything that would've hit target A instead hits target B"?

And even if the enemy's still taking damage, one idle turn is still a turn in which it could have been Dark Abyss-ing another pokemon. I think it's balanced that way.

[Menarker]

Your interpretion of the move is correct. It's basically a different version of Follow Me although it weakens AOE moves that would target that one instead of redirecting. Hell, if I wanted to be an asshole, I could use Scapegoat to prevent just about all attacks from hitting Impact, and have them hit Pierce's Tyranitar instead. Impact be all happy and Pierce be all pissed.

Mind you, it can be very strategic. If there are a horde of electric pokemons on the enemy side, and we got a water pokemon and a ground type pokemon on our side, normally you would expect some of those electric types to try to attack the water type with electric moves... I can use Scapegoat to redirect all attacks from the water pokemon to the ground pokemon and any of those attacks that are electric type would be negated due to ground type immunity to those.

As for your comment on Dark Abyss, I realized that. I said that it wasn't as MUCH as a drawback as it would normally be. I still think it's a damn good move but balanced for sure. I got no complaints.

[Dracorion]

I'm going to go on ahead and guess that Bard is the other person Impact made a deal with for loyalty.

But what the hell does Gem have to offer that Charlotte wants?

And screw you,

Bard, Impact needs a way to make Charlotte stay in line. He can either be nice to her and let her break a lot of kneecaps. Or he can control her the way she controls, say, Spitz, by striking fear into her heart. Considering that she appears to be a very phsyical individual, this would involve equally physical conflict punishment. Also, possibly, sex. Carrot and the stick, y'know?
I prefer carrot, mind you... but I want to be able to use stick, should it become necessary.

Ahem.

And Drac, get off my turf. Subjugating Charlotte is my thing. Or will be, anyway. It'd totally fit the entire "pack" mentality.

Yeah, now you're talking about sex which Charlotte. In which case you're stepping on my turf.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Or he can control her the way she controls, say, Spitz, by striking fear into her heart.

The place in her brain where fear should be has been overrun by the place where hatred is.

Nothing short of Phantomere about to perform his final attack has actually struck fear into her yet. Impact alone is a far-cry from Phantomere.

[Dracorion]

Fortunately for Charlotte, Pierce doesn't lead through fear!

He likes to spread the joy.

[Menarker]

Fortunately for Charlotte, Pierce doesn't lead through fear!

He likes to spread the joy.

A-HEM!!!

Spreading love, peace and joy is Renny's turf. >_>

:3:

[Geminex]

I'm going to go on ahead and guess that Bard is the other person Impact made a deal with for loyalty.
The only person I haven't made a deal for loyalty yet is falcon, and that's cause I was too sick too. I might get back on that.

And allright, Bard. No fear. Kneecaps it is.

[Dracorion]

Spreading love, peace and joy is Renny's turf. >_>

:3:

I meant a different kind of joy. You can get all hot and bothered at me again when Renny is old enough to get an erection.

The only person I haven't made a deal for loyalty yet is falcon, and that's cause I was too sick too. I might get back on that.

And allright, Bard. No fear. Kneecaps it is.

Hmmm... I've gotta ask, what were the terms?

[Menarker]

I meant a different kind of joy. You can get all hot and bothered at me again when Renny is old enough to get an erection.


Oh please. Renny is not THAT young. He's practically just a year away from high school graduate. One year younger than Rachel too.

[Bard The 5th LW]

There were no terms. I said yes, that's how it went.

[DanteFalcon]

It actually wasn't a jab at Impact. He isn't completely sure that Impact is being a manipulative bastard. He's wary of Impact but he has no proof that the man is evil or any such nonsense.

[Geminex]

Ok, let's set up some clearly defined rules here:

Impact: World domination, manipulative jerk.
Renny: Idealistic optimism
Pierce: Overestimating own badassness and sexual prowess
Charlotte: Breaking people's knee caps, insulting their mothers
Matt: Wannabe manipulative jerk.

All in favor?

[Menarker]

Well, Renny isn't so much just optimism... hard to explain... but his kindness is kinda like... indiscriminate charity (That he would be generous and supporting of just about anyone who wasn't trying to be Jerkface Babyslapper) . That's something that none of the characters really go for at all.

The affection did go overboard a few times though, but yeah. :3

Seems fairly accurate though. :3: (Although we have yet to see enough of Matt to define him really well aside from mostly keeping to himself.)

[Dracorion]

Pierce: Overestimating own badassness and sexual prowess

Not in favor. Pierce doesn't care if he's badass or not. He just does what he has to do, damned if the universe tells him he can't do it.

Also, he's not overestimating his sexual prowess at all. I mean, he managed to go several rounds with Shizuka. Keep in mind that Shizuka has demon strength and stamina. And they both left that encounter happy.

Yeah.

Also, I know I sometimes fudge the distinction a bit, but Pierce and Dracorion are two entirely different people.

[Bard The 5th LW]

OK seriously, is there any way I can go about having the :3: smiley blocked from the site forever?

[Geminex]

Assassinate Menarker.

All in favor?

[Menarker]

Ok, Pierce's character isn't overestimating his sexual prowess. The person playing him is overestimating his own character.

Better now? :3

Oh, god damn it... So many death threats and the like. ^^;

[Dracorion]

Done.

Fortunately, Pierce's sidequest is coming up. And I have complete control over everything.

EDIT: I overestimate nothing.

[DanteFalcon]

If things go according to plan in terms of character development Matthias will be speaking out a great deal more. Whether you find out more about him or not is up to you.

[Dracorion]

I do have a criticism regarding Gem's assessment of Impact.

But I'm not going to post it because I know Gem would just turn the dial up to eleven in response.

[Geminex]

Oh, god damn it... So many death threats and the like. ^^;
Why "so many"? This is the first time I've threatened you. Everything before that was Drac dicking around.
And anyway, it's totally justified. You use that smiley way, way too often. Stop using it. IT IS ANNOYING.

Drac, post that. I want to see your criticism of my assessment, if only for the purpose of mercilessly beating it down.

[Dracorion]

Drac, post that. I want to see your criticism of my assessment, if only for the purpose of mercilessly beating it down.

No. Yeah, no. I can't trust you.

[Geminex]

Ok, fair enough. Keep it to yourself.

If things go according to plan in terms of character development Matthias will be speaking out a great deal more. Whether you find out more about him or not is up to you.
Speaking out in what sense? Actually having an opinion? Nice.

[Dracorion]

I'll believe it when I see it, Dante.

[DanteFalcon]

I mean actually speaking more to start.

[Menarker]

Ok... a few items I had potentially in mind...

One that allows a pokemon to ignore one type when attacking. So if Magnezone uses Thunderbolt on Swampert when holding the item, he can ignore the ground typing and hit super effectively. Or if a pokemon using that item use a fighting move on one with dark/ghost, it can ignore the ghost typing... If the pokemon being attacked only has one type, the damage is treated as one catagory better. Not effective becomes neutral, Neutral is super effective, and super effective is quad effective.

An item that enables the user to use one extra move every 2 or 3 turns so long as that move does not inflict damage or target the foe.

A "item upgrade" pin that can be attached to a Choice Band/Scarf/Specs which pumps the first move a pokemon uses by 50% but still allow the choice of other moves.

Still thinking of some ideas for items and moves for the future...


Ok... so this isn't exactly related to Pokemon Umbral, but bear with me...

I was watching this old Disney movie, Pete's Dragon, and I started envisioning 5 of us in THIS situation. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yxYpEbqd6U&feature=related) You guys were hunting the little boy down who ran off after the rest of you guys started abusing/harrassing him. Then try to lure him back with empty promises while planning worse stuff. Overacting sometimes makes the old movies seem hilarious in retrospect. ^^; After all the stuff that is said about Renny (jokingly) I somehow thought of this...

Characters in order of initial appearance in the video...
Bearded son: Impact
Non-bearded son: Pierce
Fatherish guy: Matthias
Motherish woman: Charlotte
Small hiding boy Petey: Renny

^^: Ok, so Matthias is a bit of a stretch, but I could totally see Pierce and Impact and a bit of Charlotte in this part of the movie!

[Astral Harmony]

Menarker, that's...what is that?

Actually, I think they'd all be singing just the same, too. I can't say anyone would look forward to smelling Renny after that.

[Menarker]

Totally campy and overdone, I know!

The smelling thing was not so much the factor (Pete wasn't so much the point), but the Gogan's antics which I likened to Impact, Pierce and Charlotte... just a slight. It just made me laugh. Sorry if it came out totally random. (Planning on getting a Doctor Terminus avatar if I can!)