Pokemon Umbral Discussion 21: We'll Get To Mission 3 Eventually... [Archive]

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 12:33 PM

I'm guessing the kid gets rescued, Jeanette gets kidnapped. Sometime later we have to fight her, kill her. Or un-brainwash her.

AB said Jeanette would join. SO I'm guessing she doesn't die.

I have a baaaaad feeling about Heidi, though.

And Drac, this is supposed to be a combat/action RP. Not romance novels. Stop making Pierce likable, it's OOC.

Impact getting on the romance track is OOC. Your mother is OOC.

Besides, this is relevant to Pierce's sidequest, totally. Possibly. I mean, you should see Pierce's entire backstory and the reason why he is how he is. I'm kinda wondering if you guys'll like it or think it's OOC.

Though if I can pull it off, I'll have succeeded in my evil plan to turn Pierce into the main character.

Though AB, that's a good question. When do we meet Dinner? When can Impact get on the romance track?

AB wanted to introduce Dinner in my sidequest. But I said no because she's too big a nail for my railroad track. Which, by the way, if you stray off of I will beat you to death with.

Although, I could- hmmm... Yeah, maybe if we do that, Dinner can join up. But I'm not going to do it, just to screw with Geminex.

Anyway, I can almost see Impact getting together with Milsha Mathers. Almost. That goddamn accent pretty much makes sure that bitch will never get a man. But yeah, Impact should be able to get on the romance track whenever he wants. He just needs to pick a girl. Y'know, that isn't already taken. That is: touch my bitches and die, motherfucker.

Astral Harmony

05-17-2010, 01:52 PM

I'll probably end up bringing Dinner in on Mission 4. Mission 4 is a good mission to introduce more pretty girls, even though I've done that on every mission.

I'll answer whatever questions I missed (or ignore them, whatever) when I get home this afternoon. Right now, it's time to go to work.

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 05:06 PM

I'll probably end up bringing Dinner in on Mission 4. Mission 4 is a good mission to introduce more pretty girls, even though I've done that on every mission.

Or we could just do that thing. Y'know, the thing. With the stuff.

Menarker

05-17-2010, 07:19 PM

AB: Questions in the previous thread that seemed to be unanswered and I was asked to compile. >_>

By Dracorion:

Hey AB, can we still dual-class with super classes? I mean, am I allowed to be a Breeder/Slayer?

Since we only get one upgrade for one class every mission, I can't see it being broken.

By: Menarker:

I saw nothing stating that there would be only one upgrade per mission. Heck, with the previous one that was approved, there was a few per mission divided in sets. Dunno about now though...

Unless you meant one class upgrade per mission, and the player had to choose between which class to boost.

I'm not entirely certain what further levels in demon would end up giving me, so I'm not sure whether that's such a bad idea. I'll wait for AB's response before insulting your mother.
Y'know, let's address that. Hey, AB, what would the effect of dual-classing to demon be? I would have assumed that it's just stats bonuses, but how would that benefit, say, Menarker's breeder?

By Geminex:
Oh, and Dark Abyss still seems a little strong. It's still stronger than spore, anyway. Hell, even if you removed the whole "Nightmare" effect altogether, it'd be at spore strength, which is pretty good.

Maybe give it original strength (100% sleep, inflicts nightmare without fail), but Enmakki needs a turn to recharge after using it?

By Dracorion:
Done. We're doing this with Dark Abyss. Approve it, AB.

Ok... a few items I had potentially in mind...

One that allows a pokemon to ignore one type when attacking. So if Magnezone uses Thunderbolt on Swampert when holding the item, he can ignore the ground typing and hit super effectively. Or if a pokemon using that item use a fighting move on one with dark/ghost, it can ignore the ghost typing... If the pokemon being attacked only has one type, the damage is treated as one catagory better. Not effective becomes neutral, Neutral is super effective, and super effective is quad effective.

An item that enables the user to use one extra move every 2 or 3 turns so long as that move does not inflict damage or target the foe.

A "item upgrade pin" that can be attached and removed and attached again to a Choice Band/Scarf/Specs as the trainer chooses. Either way, it provides the boost of the chosen item whenever the first move used is used, but still allow the choice of other moves although with no pump up. (So if Swampert wears a Pinned Choice Band, and uses Earthquake as his first move, that use and all future use of it while it is wearing the item is boosted by 50%, but all other moves are uneffected, but he can choose to use a different move as opposed to be locked into one move.

Still thinking of some ideas for items and moves for the future...

Anyhow, Drac, can we get an actual list of girls you actually refer to as YOUR bitches so we don't ACCIDENTLY step on any toes? Mind you, your character's safety might depend on not being excessively greedy (although I won't hold any grudges if you have the most but not trying to take every damn good one).

Geminex

05-17-2010, 07:34 PM

Which, by the way, if you stray off of I will beat you to death with.
Your railroad track...
You mean the setting? Of your sidequest?
The one that I practically came up with? Allright then. I'll make sure to adhere to my own suggestions.

AB said Jeanette would join. SO I'm guessing she doesn't die.

I have a baaaaad feeling about Heidi, though.
Nah, I think Heidi's cool. Impact might chat her up later, see what she's all about. And I forgot Jeanette would join, never mind my previous speculation.

Besides, this is relevant to Pierce's sidequest, totally. Possibly. I mean, you should see Pierce's entire backstory and the reason why he is how he is. I'm kinda wondering if you guys'll like it or think it's OOC.

Though if I can pull it off, I'll have succeeded in my evil plan to turn Pierce into the main character.
A tragic backstory does not the main character make. I mean sure, you can motivate him to an incredible degree and put give him such an emotionally laden history, it'd bring tears to the eyes of a hardened war veteran! Be my guest. It'll take a bit of effort, but it's possible.
But how will it make him the main character? His backstory will be plot-central in exactly one mission, his sidequest. After that? It's a detail. One that nicely justifies his actions, and that can be used to make the character interesting. Assume Pierce gets a crisis of conscience about his actions now, compared to his actions in the past, sometime during mission 6. That'll influence only Pierce. The other characters won't necessarily pay more attention to him because of it. AB's posts won't focus more on his agony than, say, on Impact's (the horrible, horrible feeling of fighting alongside pokemon) or Charlotte's (the horrible, horrible feeling of not having taken a human life all day).
Y'ken? Make Pierce as human and relatable as you like. It won't make him more important.

touch my bitches and die, motherfucker.
I'm sorry? Bitches? Who the hell promised you two?

Menarker

05-17-2010, 07:50 PM

Yeah, agree about Heidi. She seems a neat character as well that Renny would have chat up if she was around.

Is Mika in the party as well? I thought she joined PATCA.

And Renny is going to chat up Impact and tell him about the awesome super armor he's going to get. :3

I could see Pierce being a bit more involved in the main working of the plot, but then again, I expect that of everyone (including Renny eventually).

Also, I had nothing to do with the "bitches" aside from insisting that Drac doesn't try to get so many of them and leave us only with the ones he don't want (and Lola since she's claimed).

I mean, I can see him getting Shizuka and Chizuru, and those two are already super high class ladies. And maybe i could see him getting 2 or 3 others, but I would be vexed if he got any more! As for myself, I got Lola claimed, and somewhat intend on attempting to earn the trust/affection of Whitney, Rachel and perhaps Mika's and Fujiko (If AB is truthful about her having a thing for Shota boys) Maybe also that flying eevee trainer (Renny got two flying pokemons so she might like that). Impact can get Rayleen, Harriette, Evangaleen, maybe Kirie among several other Slayer girls options.

Anyhow, you get my meaning. Pierce already got two of the "highest quality girls" claimed in the RP, and I could see him getting a few more girls. But I certainly don't want him to go overboard. I expect Impact and Renny to get a few choice ones too... and Matthias too perhaps (he got dibs on Tsubasa).

Geminex

05-17-2010, 08:01 PM

Waitwaitwait
Why are we claiming multiple girls? I don't know, but I'd imagine that Shizuka would be just a liiiiittle pissed if she saw Pierce in a relationship with anyone else. Considering how close the kimonos are, Pierce chatting up Chizuru is like having a one-night stand with a girl and then trying to do the same with her sister. Fun, sure, but I doubt that said girl (Shizuka) would be willing to have another one-night stand, or a long-term relationship.
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That having been said, if all the girls in this RP are happily polygamous, I definitely claim Dinner, along with some of the female Slayers. Not sure who. Maybe the sniper.

Bard The 5th LW

05-17-2010, 08:02 PM

(and Lola since she's claimed)

WE KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT ANYMORE!:mad:

Geminex

05-17-2010, 08:05 PM

Hey, at least he didn't put a :3: at th end of that. In fact, he didn't use one all post. Well done Menarker!

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 10:29 PM

Your railroad track...
You mean the setting? Of your sidequest?
The one that I practically came up with? Allright then. I'll make sure to adhere to my own suggestions.

Sure, you may have given a very basic idea (even if that's not how I remember it and I consider any evidence to the contrary to be fabricated), but I ironed out the details. Ironed them like hell.

Nah, I think Heidi's cool. Impact might chat her up later, see what she's all about. And I forgot Jeanette would join, never mind my previous speculation.

Yeah, agree about Heidi. She seems a neat character as well that Renny would have chat up if she was around

Okay, maybe it's because I see every new character in terms of whether or not they're hot and Pierce can bone them, I don't care much for Heidi.

That, and AB may or may not have let an important plot detail slip in the course of our PMs.

I'm sorry? Bitches? Who the hell promised you two?

You said you were okay with Pierce going for Shizuka and Chizuru, for starters.

Anyhow, Drac, can we get an actual list of girls you actually refer to as YOUR bitches so we don't ACCIDENTLY step on any toes? Mind you, your character's safety might depend on not being excessively greedy (although I won't hold any grudges if you have the most but not trying to take every damn good one).

Lola.

I mean, I can see him getting Shizuka and Chizuru, and those two are already super high class ladies. And maybe i could see him getting 2 or 3 others, but I would be vexed if he got any more! As for myself, I got Lola claimed, and somewhat intend on attempting to earn the trust/affection of Whitney, Rachel and perhaps Mika's and Fujiko (If AB is truthful about her having a thing for Shota boys) Maybe also that flying eevee trainer (Renny got two flying pokemons so she might like that). Impact can get Rayleen, Harriette, Evangaleen, maybe Kirie among several other Slayer girls options.

You do realize Fujiko's thing for Shota boys more like than not involves eating them, right?

Also, remember that Pierce has first dibs on fighting Kirie.

Waitwaitwait
Why are we claiming multiple girls? I don't know, but I'd imagine that Shizuka would be just a liiiiittle pissed if she saw Pierce in a relationship with anyone else. Considering how close the kimonos are, Pierce chatting up Chizuru is like having a one-night stand with a girl and then trying to do the same with her sister. Fun, sure, but I doubt that said girl (Shizuka) would be willing to have another one-night stand, or a long-term relationship.
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Sure. But then again, you wouldn't have expected Shizuka to sleep with Pierce after knowing him for like, six hours.

Besides, this is all part of my evil plan. Officially, I'm still deciding which one to go for so I'll be going for both until I finally decide. In reality, I'm going to drag the decision along forever and progress both relationships until the only way the relationships can go further is if both Chizuru and Shizuka decide to share Pierce, rendering the decision moot.

That having been said, if all the girls in this RP are happily polygamous, I definitely claim Dinner, along with some of the female Slayers. Not sure who. Maybe the sniper.

Again, Dinner is probably underage. I mean, do you wanna be like Faynoc? You did see Faynoc, right? Drooling over the picture of a ten-year-old girl.

Hey, at least he didn't put a :3: at th end of that. In fact, he didn't use one all post. Well done Menarker!

I'm so proud.

Geminex

05-17-2010, 10:37 PM

AB hasn't mentioned her age.
Hey, AB, how old's Dinner?

until the only way the relationships can go further is if both Chizuru and Shizuka decide to share Pierce, rendering the decision moot.
'fcourse, if they don't decide to share (and really, there's not much for even one girl, much less two), then Pierce is stuck between the two. If he chooses one, the other gets horribly offended. Cue Kimono civil war.

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 10:42 PM

'fcourse, if they don't decide to share (and really, there's not much for even one girl, much less two), then Pierce is stuck between the two. If he chooses one, the other gets horribly offended. Cue Kimono civil war.

Oh please. You're going to make me brag again? Pierce was able to go several rounds with Shizuka, leaving them both happy, and he's not even half-demon yet.

And I think by Kimono civil war you mean CAT FIGHT

Geminex

05-17-2010, 10:48 PM

I mean that the kimonos get into a major fight with each other, each goes off on her own to sulk, and then they get picked off one-by-one by a mysterious assilant. Can you guess who?

And I was actually talking in terms of character and companionship, not physically. However good Pierce is in bed, I'd imagine that both Shizuka and Chizuru would want, qualities like, depth of emotion, or not-a-jackass-itude in their partner.

Menarker

05-17-2010, 10:48 PM

By Menarker:
(and Lola since she's claimed)

By Bardthe5thLW:
WE KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT ANYMORE! :mad:

Originally Posted by Menarker:
Anyhow, Drac, can we get an actual list of girls you actually refer to as YOUR bitches so we don't ACCIDENTLY step on any toes? Mind you, your character's safety might depend on not being excessively greedy (although I won't hold any grudges if you have the most but not trying to take every damn good one).

By Dracorion:
Lola

*Cue Bard AND Charlotte laying the smackdown on Dracorion AND Pierce.*

"SHUT UP YOU FOOL! Now Menarker is poised to spend another damned 20 threads claiming how Lola is only for him, and it's all your fucking fault!"

Also, it's entirely possible that Shizuka just did what she did for personal entertainment for the night since she was obligated to stay the night, and kicked Pierce to the curb right after, just treating him as a piece of meat. One she may have enjoyed nonetheless, but still, one without any lasting consequences... after all , people die in battle, and that might have been one of his last days.
*Finished with being needlessly omnious*

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 10:52 PM

I mean that the kimonos get into a major fight with each other, each goes off on her own to sulk, and then they get picked off one-by-one by a mysterious assilant. Can you guess who?

By picked off you mean mind controlled into bed? I certainly hope not.

And I was actually talking in terms of character and companionship, not physically. However good Pierce is in bed, I'd imagine that both Shizuka and Chizuru would want, qualities like, depth of emotion, or not-a-jackass-itude in their partner.

Oh come on. My mindless blather aside, what kind of person do you think Pierce is?

If he ended up with Shizuka and Chizuru, he would absolutely make sure beyond doubt that it was the right thing to do. Also, he craps depth of emotion out the ass.

And oh dear, it seems Matthias might be making a move for Rayleen. Go get 'im, Gem!

Geminex

05-17-2010, 10:56 PM

By picked off you mean mind controlled into bed? I certainly hope not.

I mean "throats cut and hearts torn out, because damn, I can't risk interference from them". That kind of "picked off".

If he ended up with Shizuka and Chizuru, he would absolutely make sure beyond doubt that it was the right thing to do.
So he'd be cool with both of them being polygamous as well? Cause then I might have Impact go for Shizuka after all...

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 11:00 PM

So he'd be cool with both of them being polygamous as well? Cause then I might have Impact go for Shizuka after all...

Pretty sure I've made this threat before: break deals, and we descend into apathy. Every thread will be filled in a day of mindless, pointless discussion without ever reaching an agreement because we can't trust each other.

And I'm totally okay with that. Hell, I prefer it. But I'm keeping my deal.

Besides, I've already pretty much got everything I need from you. The only thing is we'd end up competing for girls, and I've got a head start. And, if we throw the deals to hell, you don't get Pierce's support.

Pierce is pretty much hardwired to be a one-woman man. It's going to take some serious convincing for him to enter into a relationship with both Chizuru and Shizuka, and he'd have to know they're both committed to him, because he'd be commited to them.

Geminex

05-17-2010, 11:08 PM

All we said was that you'd get rivalry and relationship with Shizuka. If Impact were to begin a similar relationship, as long as it doesn't interfere with yours, would that be a problem? Possibly. But I wouldn't be breaking any agreements.
But that's just... rhetorical. For now, anyway.

And if he really is so determined to make sure that he makes the best possible decisions for both women, I very much doubt he could conceivably consider polygamy. It just doesn't seem right. What benefits does it have that could outweigh the demerits?

And hell, the only reason you have a head start on girls is because Impact's been holding back, and none of the girls appealed to him before. That may change now that we've got some female slayers.

Menarker

05-17-2010, 11:10 PM

Pierce is pretty much hardwired to be a one-woman man. It's going to take some serious convincing for him to enter into a relationship with both Chizuru and Shizuka, and he'd have to know they're both committed to him, because he'd be commited to them.

Pretty sure this goes against the entire notion of having a harem or sex rampage, so I support Pierce being hard-wired as a one-woman man. By which I assume he's not cheating on them once they start trusting him, which I expect Chizuru would expect or she would be heartbroken. I doubt she would take to news of her "loved one philandering" with a sense of humor. And I expect she will only be willing to be physical about her emotion at that cruical point of trust.

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 11:16 PM

And if he really is so determined to make sure that he makes the best possible decisions for both women, I very much doubt he could conceivably consider polygamy. It just doesn't seem right. What benefits does it have that could outweigh the demerits?

He won't. It pretty much depends on Pierce believing he's good enough for both of them. Which, is going to take some serious character growth, and a lot of persuasion. And he certainly won't be the one that proposes it.

And hell, the only reason you have a head start on girls is because Impact's been holding back, and none of the girls appealed to him before. That may change now that we've got some female slayers.

Well, go nuts with the female Slayers. Just stay away from my bitches.

Pretty sure this goes against the entire notion of having a harem or sex rampage, so I support Pierce being hard-wired as a one-woman man. By which I assume he's not cheating on them once they start trusting him, which I expect Chizuru would expect or she would be heartbroken. I doubt she would take to news of her "loved one philandering" with a sense of humor. And I expect she will only be willing to be physical about her emotion at that cruical point of trust.

I'm pretty sure I can make it in a way that Pierce stays mostly innocent, protected by his awkwardness. So they might be slightly butthurt, but would forgive him.

No, I'm not dropping the harem idea. Ever. I'm just figuring out how Pierce could get both Chizuru and Shizuka. It basically relies on them committing themselves entirely to him, and convincing him that he's good enough. Which might be extremely OOC, but again, no one expected Shizuka to sleep with Pierce.

Besides, given enough time, they could grow into the state of mind. It's not like I'm saying Pierce should get both of them tomorrow.

Geminex

05-17-2010, 11:29 PM

It basically relies on them committing themselves entirely to him, and convincing him that he's good enough. Which might be extremely OOC, but again, no one expected Shizuka to sleep with Pierce.
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Ok, but see.
We assume that the kimonos are still in a monogamous mindset (we know that Chizuru is, because of her whole "I want a big, traditional family with lots of children" mindset, ). As such, if you're in a relationship with one kimono, when the others know about it, they'll be discouraged from entering into a similar relationship. Considering how close they all are, I doubt the others wouldn't know about it.

You're somehow suggesting that, regardless of that, they both want a relationship with the maximum possible commitment with Pierce. In other words, either, one's in a relationship with Pierce and the other suddenly decides she wants the same relationship, or they both magically get the hots for Pierce at the same time.

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I really don't se that working, unless Shizuka and Chizuru are fine with sharing him. And I think I'd protest vehemently against that.

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 11:35 PM

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Ok, but see.
We assume that the kimonos are still in a monogamous mindset (we know that Chizuru is, because of her whole "I want a big, traditional family with lots of children" mindset, ). As such, if you're in a relationship with one kimono, when the others know about it, they'll be discouraged from entering into a similar relationship. Considering how close they all are, I doubt the others wouldn't know about it.

Technically, her profile says "She desires to have a wonderful husband and a large family above all else." That doesn't necessarily exclude poligamy.

You're somehow suggesting that, regardless of that, they both want a relationship with the maximum possible commitment with Pierce. In other words, either, one's in a relationship with Pierce and the other suddenly decides she wants the same relationship, or they both magically get the hots for Pierce at the same time.

Yeah, I know. I don't see it either. But I'll figure something out! Or AB will figure something out! Or AB will die trying.

I really don't se that working, unless Shizuka and Chizuru are fine with sharing him. And I think I'd protest vehemently against that.

This coming from the guy who gets mind control. Tell you what: you don't protest if Pierce gets Shizuka and Chizuru, and I won't protest if you gather yourself a harem of NPCs. As long as you don't get excessive. I mean, I'm only getting two girls.

But yeah, Shizuka and Chizuru need to be fine with sharing Pierce. AB, make this happen.

Menarker

05-17-2010, 11:38 PM

This coming from the guy who gets mind control. Tell you what: you don't protest if Pierce gets Shizuka and Chizuru, and I won't protest if you gather yourself a harem of NPCs. As long as you don't get excessive. I mean, I'm only getting two girls.

But yeah, Shizuka and Chizuru need to be fine with sharing Pierce. AB, make this happen.

You just said you weren't dropping the harem idea! You're all over the place! :raise:

And you don't get to request that from AB this early and so soon after getting Shizuka!

Dracorion

05-17-2010, 11:41 PM

You just said you weren't dropping the harem idea! You're all over the place! :raise:

Hey, what I say and who Pierce does are two entirely different things.

And you don't get to request that of AB this early and so soon after getting Shizuka!

I'm not saying it has to happen right now. I'm making a demand that it needs to happen. Somewhere along the line. Preferably soon, but most definitely not late.

And Pierce hasn't gotten Shizuka yet. He's just made giant leaps in the right direction.

Geminex

05-18-2010, 01:53 AM

Oh, and since Drac hasn't yet replied to my PM, I should probably throw this in:

AB, I demand that Shizuka and Chizuru are anything but fine with sharing Pierce.

Astral Harmony

05-18-2010, 02:29 AM

Y'see, it's when you guys keep asking questions that makes this stuff take longer. However, since we're not in any real hurry to kick off mission 3 right yet, that's really no problem.

And now onto the tidal wave o' questions:

1. Yes, you can super-class and dual-class at the same time. Just remember that you can only buy one level of either class after each mission, and be forewarned that you will most likely have three classes to level up in by the time you get to make choices (your primary class, your secondary class, and demon).

2. The Demon class will need to be worked on for a while, but there'll be such upgrades as automatically devouring those you kill (or defeat) which will result in restored health, cleared status effects, and Rage Point bonuses.

Increased stats (beyond Legendary), summoning lesser demons, ki powers...I could go on and on. I just need some thinkie time.

3. I approve the changes to Dark Abyss. Thanks for coming up with a balance, you two. Chizuru, give the two of them hugs 'n' kisses.

Chizuru: "Not goddamn likely."

4. Renny...goddamnit! I mean, Menarker, all those items sound good.

5. Yes, Mika is still with PATCA. She, Kirie, and Chizuru are all bunking up with you guys. Ain't you lucky?! Chizuru, give 'em all hugs 'n' kisses.

Chizuru: "If I said 'not goddamn likely' the first time, what makes you think I'm going to change my mind a few minutes from then?"

6. This is not a question, but something I feel could be good advice regarding those Kimono girls:

Long Unresolved Sexual Tension, or LUST. Basically, the Kimonos haven't been hitting it for centuries. Aside from Chizuru, Kiyomi, Rio, Mika and Nyoka, the other Kimonos could break and give in to even the slightest sexual stimulation under the right conditions. Romantic scenery, beautiful night sky, somewhat shitfaced, Pierce said what Shizuka liked to hear. That kind of thing. Then it's not difficult to all to have the best kind of Pokemon battle...

PIERCE GRANGER was challenged by GYM LEADER SHIZUKA MIZUNO!
PIERCE used Harden! It's super effective!
SHIZUKA used-aw screw it, I'm not going to do an omake on this shit. Next question, please!

7. Dinner isn't underaged and I'm not sure what made everyone think that she was. But if it's something quite evident, I apologize. Still, be careful. Remember that Dinner is the goddamn Overhuman and if you bring her to orgasm, there'll probably be world-destroying non-elemental waves of energy. Then you wouldn't know whether you were cumming or going. *rimshot*

8. As for age, she doesn't really have one. Well, she does, but nobody knows it. But it's definitely more than eighteen.

9. Pierce, here's how it's going to work: bang Shizuka until you're serious about a relationship, then go for Chizuru. It's the only way you're eating both pies in your lifetime. Because you're not getting both at the same time and you won't be banging Chizuru if you'd started a relationship with Shizuka. Believe me, it's for the best. Chizuru can be more frightening than Fujiko if you really get her mad.

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Is that everything? Good, because I done came up with something new. Yeah, fire watch, again. But I'm starting to feel that this'll be the last thing I'm updating about the battle system.

Hey, you know how I typed up probably way back when in Discussion 19 about every PC getting to choose one Enforcer for themselves? Well, now I'm giving you the ability to switch yourself out with that character. Here's how it works:

- You can only switch positions with your Enforcer at the start of the Ally Phase.
- Specialists do not have their own Enforcers, and thus cannot switch.
- Consider the character in the formation to be in the Vanguard while the character that is switched out is in the Rearguard.
- On the first turn, a character in the Rearguard will recover from any status effect (including being defeated, but with only one HP for recovering from defeat.
- On the second turn, that character will recover all of his/her health.
- On the third turn, you will have 100/100 RPs if you were defeated and 50/100 RPs added to your total if you were not.
- Enforcers will automatically switch in if you are defeated at any time.

This is how it applies to Slayer and Pokebrids. For you fuckers with Pokemon, only your two primary Leader Pokemon will recover in this fashion.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 02:47 AM

Interesting stuff. ^^

I hope the demon stuff have some alternative methods to their benefits. If I do have Renny go half demon, I don't think he'd ever want to devour bodies or souls to boost himself, or summon lesser demons... Then again, that's much later. (Of course, if Renny somehow became half-angel like Kirie, that would be neat, but AB said that wasn't an option. Ah well. *Shrug*)

AB: With your lists of Kimonos with unresolved sexual tension, there is one that struck me as odd. Takano believes in utter perfection, and according to an omake you had depicting her, she said she believed she is too good for any guy. Which really only leaves Shizuka, Kirie, Tsubasa and Fujiko. Then again, it's possible she might let up on that perfection if she thinks it is holding her back or something... or if she thinks one of the guys really IS perfect. ^,^

Thanks for looking over the items I was thinking of. That gives me a overall power level for making custom items.

In regards to the enforcer thing, what if the characters already have no status problems and are already fully healed? Do they still have to wait 3 turns for the rage boost? Or if they have no status problems but are injuired, do they have to wait 2 turns still? Just curious.

Dibs on having Shannon as my enforcer. She and Renny are already good pals. Alternatively, Kurika or Misha to see how they go.

Geminex

05-18-2010, 03:07 AM

your primary class, your secondary class, and demon

Alternately, can Impact simply go demon as his second class, and greater demon as his third class?
So it'd be, for Impact: Slayer, half-demon, full demon
Would that work?

Menarker

05-18-2010, 03:09 AM

I think AB was saying earlier that Full Demon is a super class of Demon like how Breeder is a super class of trainer. So you keep investing in Demon long enough, and you'll get ranks of Full Demon. (If my memory/intuition is correct).

Of course, nothing's stopping you from only putting ranks in Slayer and demon. Heck, I'm mostly doing the same thing, but trainer instead... although I might get one rank of pokebrid...

Geminex

05-18-2010, 03:20 AM

Right, I get it. And we can dual-class or super-class at any time. And why pokebrid? To benefit from the demon stuff?

Menarker

05-18-2010, 03:34 AM

Well, Renny isn't very much of a fighter given his age and small size, even if he might actually be damn strong for his age. (The pokemon trainer's "Trainer Attack" is currently useless at the moment for my character). Even if he boosted his fighting potential by going demon, barring some Super Technique, he probably won't be as powerful a melee fighter as Impact or perhaps Pierce or Charlotte. Pokebrid on the other hand have variety of attacks/support, since Renny could then have all the moves of one pokemon. And Renny could use fighting/steel or other physical moves as the basis of the melee attack and perhaps benefit from Psych-Up or so. He'd embrace the pokemon side of things, as opposed to Impact who shun it. ^^; Of course, that's assuming if I choose a pokemon who uses those moves, and I haven't chosen yet...

So it's like maxed ranks in Breeder, one in pokebrid for access to all moves of one pokemon, and then demon. Or something to that line. Still thinking what pokemon I would choose if any. (Wouldn't be able to choose a legendary pokemon unless I spent multiple ranks in Pokebrid.) I got a strong idea though...

Astral Harmony

05-18-2010, 04:02 AM

Even the perfect woman can lose it, y'know?

And yes, you'll still need to wait the appropriate number of turns. Otherwise, you'd do something game-breaking like switch each other out every turn and throw out Signature Techniques like Menarker throws out a constant reminder that Lola is mine and anyone who tries to win her over's life is forfeit.

Demon will be the super-class of Demon Half. The only difference between the Demon super-class and other super-classes is another sidequest. It gives you time to get to know Fujiko because I seriously don't know any other way that chick'll get formally introduced.

That post was a good one that helped introduce some of the new concepts, especially about tougher Rogue Pokemon, enemy Pokesapiens (Pokemon with guns, the way it always should have been!), and Evoliths.

Geminex

05-18-2010, 04:40 AM

Very nice... I'm not sure how to have Impact react to evoliths, and Calisto has bitterly disappointed me, seriously, get me some female masterminds, but other than that, very nice.

Oh, and one other thing I just realized:
By the end of mission 4, we'll be at level 7, not 6. Does that mean we dual-class one level earlier, or do we just advance to 6th level in our chosen class (advance to master?), before dual-classing?
Level 1: Beginning
Level 2: After mission 1
Level 3: After mission 2
Level 4: After Renny's sidequest
Level 5: After mission 3
Level 6: After Pierce's sidequest
Level 7: After mission 4

And how can we justify my going demon when the rest of the characters dual-class?

Astral Harmony

05-18-2010, 04:46 AM

You're not getting upgraded after Pierce's sidequest, or anybody else's sidequest. I did after Renny's sidequest to kind of "complete" the classes.

As for your Demon sidequest, you get to go on a private journey with Fujiko. You could go on a private journey with Fujiko. It could all actually be done in a single post. Sexy? There might be some of that. Painful? Like you wouldn't believe.

Geminex

05-18-2010, 04:51 AM

Oh, right. In that case, sure, that works. Though how many more missions will the RP have? I might not even get a chance to max out demon.

And wait...
As for your Demon sidequest, you get to go on a private journey with Fujiko. You could go on a private journey with Fujiko. It could all actually be done in a single post. Sexy? There might be some of that. Painful? Like you wouldn't believe.
Wait. Waitwaitwait. Would this just be a justification for Impact going half-demon early? Or my actual sidequest (the one where he goes full-demon)? Because, for my sidequest, I was hoping for an actual, y'know, mission.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 04:55 AM

I just had a thought...

The Evoliths operate by drawing upon the power of evolution stones right? Well, there are several stones in the games that alter evolution... one of them PREVENTS it, the Everstone...

Would an engineer who tried to make an Evolith out of one of those effectively reverse the process and thus weaken other Evoliths on the field or so?

Anyhow, it's late for me. good night.

Geminex

05-18-2010, 04:59 AM

The everstone is really interesting, and we might be able to use it somehow. Nicely thought-out.

But make an evolith out of it to weaken the others? I doubt that'd work. We'd need to use them more agressively. Maybe grind one up into an aerosol, and then spray that at evoliths? Wear gas-masks and you've effectively created an evolith-free environment.

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 07:42 AM

7. Dinner isn't underaged and I'm not sure what made everyone think that she was. But if it's something quite evident, I apologize.

Well it seemed appropriate is all I was saying. Besides, with a name like Dinner, can you really blame me?

9. Pierce, here's how it's going to work: bang Shizuka until you're serious about a relationship, then go for Chizuru. It's the only way you're eating both pies in your lifetime. Because you're not getting both at the same time and you won't be banging Chizuru if you'd started a relationship with Shizuka. Believe me, it's for the best. Chizuru can be more frightening than Fujiko if you really get her mad.

... Balls.

How exactly would that work, anyway? I can't exactly see Pierce banging Shizuka and then turning around to declare his undying love for Chizuru the next second.

It'll be hard is all I'm sayin'. And they have to remain friends so that Pierce doesn't lose his Signature Sequence with Shizuka.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 11:51 AM

AB: I know you are probably already working on this in your database or such, but just in case you didn't think of it...

We need to have the upgrades of the base classes divided into levels. For all of us now, it's not a huge deal because we got no choice but to go several levels of our primary class. But for those who do switch to another class, we need to know what comes each level especially the first level. Like if Matt went Pokemon Trainer, would he just get 4 pokemons, one of them Leader with no ability to use divide or focus? (since that was given to us as a later upgrade) or if one of us went Pokebrid, do we only get one pokemon DNA and pokeshift and nothing else and we have to get more levels before additional DNA and a super move?

Was hoping that Jeanette might have reacted in some way to Renny giving her the wine bottle. Ah well. *Shrug*

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 11:55 AM

No one cares Menarker.

About the non-oranged part I mean.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 12:07 PM

It's not important, but it would have been nice to gotten a show of a little gratitude out of it. For all you know, Jeanette might be more friendly to Renny when she joins PATCA as a result. But it's not terribly interesting to everyone else, understandably, hence why I didn't put it in orange for AB to notice.

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 12:14 PM

You can't bone Jeanette too!

If Pierce has to stay strictly monogamous that means everyone else has to stay strictly monogamous. Stick to Lola.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 12:19 PM

Who said anything about boning? Renny can still be rather friendly without having to go downright naughty. NPC interactions go beyond "Can/Will I bone her?"
The sheer age difference might be odd too... a different sort of fetish. ^,^ He's young enough to be Myrie's brother... if he ends helping save her, she might very well call him that. ^^

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 12:38 PM

Not likely. But I can't tell you how I know that.

Except you might want to hurry up and bang Lola.

EDIT: And it seems to me like you're just trying to get in the good graces of every NPC so that, even if you can't bang them, you can have scenes like the one in Renny's room back at the party.

In which case cut that shit out.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 12:54 PM

Don't tell me to hurry up with Lola. You think she's just going to fall head over heels just like that? Or that Renny is naughty enough to do something like that hastily? Unless you're implying that you know something bad is going to happen. And if you're responsible... well, I shouldn't have to tell you anymore. >>

EDIT: AB, do you have a ready made list of abilities that you said was altered for the sake of the rage system?

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 01:07 PM

Do we need to go over the fact that both you and Renny are about as threatening as a tiny little caterpillar again?

Menarker

05-18-2010, 01:12 PM

Oh, there is more than brute force...

*Renny goes up to Chizuru crying*
"Pierce is so mean! He yells at me, pushes me around when I'm just trying to encourage him, he went on a drunken bender, made my mother burst in tears... I... I... AUUUUaauuuuuwwwwwwwwww!!!"

*Cue massive fight and break up scene*

^,^ Chizuru would do it too, maternal instincts and all.

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 01:14 PM

Ah, phbbbbbbbbttttt.

Chizuru would give Pierce a chance to explain. Cue heartfelt apology.

And hot make-up sex.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 01:17 PM

Really? The drunken bender thing and mother crying perhaps... but Pierce's frequently rough behavior to Renny who never done wrong to him?

I'd kinda doubt she would take to Pierce as kindly.

Anyhow, we'll see what the future holds...

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 01:20 PM

Hey, if you want Pierce to be nice to Renny, stop making him stupid.

Besides, Pierce is warming up to Renny, starting with the apology for his drunken behavior. So he won't have much to complain about soon. Renny is, after all, the only PC Pierce can trust.

Also, Pierce has never yelled at Renny, and only pushed him away once for violating personal space. It's not irrational to get angry when a gay little Shota boy starts groping you and rubbing his gay boner against your leg.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 01:26 PM

Besides, Pierce is warming up to Renny, starting with the apology for his drunken behavior. So he won't have much to complain about soon. Renny is, after all, the only PC Pierce can trust.

Pierce: So... the only one I can trust among Impact, Charlotte, Matthias and Renny is Renny? ... God, that sucks serious ass...

=P

Anyhow, Pierce did shout at Renny for that over-speculation that of the bank mission. Even if Renny went a bit too far with his speculations, there was surely better ways to handle it.

Also, Pierce has never yelled at Renny, and only pushed him away once for violating personal space. It's not irrational to get angry when a gay little Shota boy starts groping you and rubbing his huge gay boner against your leg.

EDIT: Hey, you edited Huge out of that list of descriptions of Renny's Boner. Was going to use that for Lola. :3

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 01:27 PM

He didn't shout at Renny. Only shot him down.

Astral Harmony

05-18-2010, 01:59 PM

I'm getting ready to go to work shortly. I didn't get to work on the database yesterday because of the discussion thread and the RP thread, so when I get off of work, it's straight to the database and I won't even look here at all until it's effin' done. I can't do both.

Anyways, don't miss me too much and please don't fill up the thread. Go outside, smell some flowers, pretend bone your Pokemon Umbral harem, drink some Mollesk Wine, jus'...y'know, kinda mellow out.

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 03:03 PM

Ah.
Ah-ha.
Ahahaha.
AhahahahahHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahehehe!

...

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!

Heheheh, yeah, "mellow out". That'll happen. And maybe Renny will suddenly have his first erection.

EDIT: Hey, you edited Huge out of that list of descriptions of Renny's Boner. Was going to use that for Lola. :3

It wasn't so much a description of Renny's penis size as it was of how much of a raging homo he is.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 03:13 PM

Closer to say that he's bi considering how he treats both male and female the same way. :3 (I would insist that he isn't a homo, but you wouldn't care about my protests anyhow.)

Anyhow, trying not to fill up the thread...

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 03:19 PM

Phhhbtttt. Bi men aren't that touchy. Renny is most definitely a giant gay.

And yes, I'm purposefully trying to fill up the thread to spite AB.

Bard The 5th LW

05-18-2010, 04:19 PM

Everyone is just filled to the brim with Spite today. Like, enough to power a nuclear generator.Or enough to fill a nuklear discussion thread.

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 04:26 PM

Charlotte sure has a lot of bitches.

Bard The 5th LW

05-18-2010, 04:27 PM

The lists were originally going to be on her character sheet, but I find it easier to just update them as it goes.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 05:15 PM

Ok, so I'm just mostly finalizing the special moves, custom items and such that AB said we're all getting.

Custom Item 1: Defender's Crest
Effect: Every 3 turns, the entity that has this item equipped can do an extra action. This extra action (which can be in any order) cannot inflict direct damage to a foe.

*Still thinking hard on what I want my second item to be.*

Pokemon Co-op: "Serene Blessing"
Cost: 70/100 for Renny. Additional costs may be paid by allies in sets of 35 rage.
Description: Renny and Togekiss are so synced in their harmonic and peaceful relationship, their powerful example create a radius of happiness and good fortune. Such luck is so powerful it can cause attacks targetting them to miss or be utterly ineffective. Those who becalm themselves and thus spread the peace and harmony expand the aura and its protective power.
Effect: Renny and Togekiss become covered under the influence of an unbreakable Protect while still able to perform all their other actions for the turn. Allies of Renny in the same battle can expend 35 rage for each ally that they wish to apply Protect while still able to perform their move for the turn.

Lola Team-Tech: Prosperous Gifts
Cost: 50/100 Rage if used by oneself. Alternative method of payment of 25 from Renny and 25 from Lola if both are on the field.
Description: Renny and Lola well-wishes for their allies comes in the form of gifts. Even a single gift can sustain the well-being of several friends! If used with an offensive item, foes will do well to fear their gift of supportive firepower.
Effect: This counts as an item use action. Choose a single item. Its effect is applied to as many allies or foes on the field as desired, keeping its full effect for each and every one. Thus one Full Restore will heal the entire party entirely. Supreme Upgrade will give EVERYONE 3 stages boost to all stats (Those with Simple ability like Mollesk get 6 to all stats!). Suppressive Haze will knock off 25 rage from all foes. Since it requires said targets to be on the field, pokemons that are recalled don't get the effect. Effect may be drastically reduced for revival items.

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 05:29 PM

So Plenty and Prosperity is Renny and Lola picking an item and using it on all allies or foes? Did I get it right?

Menarker

05-18-2010, 05:32 PM

Yup. Simple enough. (The name was just edited btw to "Prosperous Gifts") Ever played Wild Arms 3? Virginia's special ability in essence. Although technically, the move allows you to apply it UP to the maximum. So they could skimp on giving it to someone in particular if they feel it would be disadvantagous for some reason. More often than not, the entire party will benefit though.

For example: Using 1 Full Restore in a party of 6 (Renny and perhaps Lola included) will end up giving the full effect of Full Restore to all 6.
Naturally, like Lola's Sexy Party, the more conscious fighters in the party, the better.

Much reduced for revival items, since it would be UTTERLY unfair if Renny and Lola was by themselves and everyone else was knocked out, and they just did the signature move with Max Revive and revived the entire freaking party...

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 06:11 PM

AB, about this: - You can only switch positions with your Enforcer at the start of the Ally Phase.
- Specialists do not have their own Enforcers, and thus cannot switch.
- Consider the character in the formation to be in the Vanguard while the character that is switched out is in the Rearguard.
- On the first turn, a character in the Rearguard will recover from any status effect (including being defeated, but with only one HP for recovering from defeat.
- On the second turn, that character will recover all of his/her health.
- On the third turn, you will have 100/100 RPs if you were defeated and 50/100 RPs added to your total if you were not.
- Enforcers will automatically switch in if you are defeated at any time.

How does it apply in corridor battles, like back at the mansion? Will Enforcers be fighting on the backside? Will the only ones able to switch sides be PCs and Enforcers? Do we still get the bonuses every turn for staying switched?

Also, can we say custom items (or at least Pierce's custom items) like they were special orders by PATCA to Ricewood Masterworks for the use of the PCs? And can we handle their delivery ourselves? Because I've got plans for Aria's Lightning Gun that don't involve getting it tomorrow.

EDIT: And Menarker, don't think I haven't noticed that you avoided the subject when I exposed your evil plan to gain the favor of all the girls in the RP and have more scenes like the one back at the party.

And yes, there will be retribution.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 06:26 PM

Oh, that? I had no control over that. I never expected AB to actually make the girls volunteer to sleep with Renny. Being nice to the NPCs and making them trust him is one thing and quite reasonable. Getting scenes like that is totally out of my control. I can't base a plan on randomness. Little point on discussing it.

Geminex

05-18-2010, 06:27 PM

Custom Item 1: Defender's Crest
Effect: Every 2 turns, the entity that has this item equipped can do an extra action. This extra action (which can be in any order) cannot inflict damage or target a foe. (Approved by AB)
I might protest this a bit. Your original proposal (the AB-approved one) said 2-3 turns. I'd feel better if you made that 3. I'm iffy about that item anyway, because there's so much very annoying stuff you can do with it.

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 06:28 PM

Oh please, yes you can.

I mean, what's the downside? Either you get in the good graces of all the chicks, or you get in the good graces of all the chicks and end up sharing a bedroom with them.

Yeah, don't do it.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 06:39 PM

They did it for convience of a comfortable bed in a house with few good sleeping locations. Hell, AB said that Harriette in particular had no affection for Renny. Besides, you're doing the same thing with Chizuru and Shizuka in different manner (and you actually boned Shizuka while Renny hasn't gotten further than hugs. No kisses or anything). There is no reason why you, me, Impact or Matthias can't try to be nice to all the NPCs. Renny was nice to everyone from the start and rather in character. No sneaky tricks involved.

Also, I'll be waiting on AB in regards to the item that Gem pointed out. If AB says 3, fine.

Geminex

05-18-2010, 06:40 PM

or you get in the good graces of all the chicks and end up sharing a bedroom with them.
Considering that he can't actually take the relationship any further than this, is this a good thing? I mean, in bed with drunk, sexy girls but his alignment and decency prevents him from actually having sex with them? That's torture.

Edit: Menarker, he won't be changing it unless you agree to it. I'm asking you to voluntarily nerf it a bit.

Menarker

05-18-2010, 06:49 PM

Exactly, I roleplayed the struggle earlier in the RP how his anxiousness of dealing with the situation he was put in! He'll be likely one of the last ones to actually score a girl.

Let me see if I can put it in a dating sim example.

Let's say that the relationship meter had a catagory of Hate, Neutral, Friendship and Love and assume that most girls start at Neutral.

Pierce seems to be the one with slow growth in friendship, but once he actually reaches up toward the love plataeu, he can actually move through love fairly fast. (Although it's possible that if he screws up it'll drop that fast too.)

Impact... seems like he got average growth everywhere and average penalty. A Mario character in a way.

Hypothetically, if Matthias was to start on the dating scene, his entire development is slow, but any "penalties" he make for a misstep will probably be low too regardless of where he is in that meter.

Renny (in my view) has a super fast friendship rating, making it easier to get people from neutral to friendship and keep it that way easily with little to no drop if he makes a mistake in that range. But his growth into the love region is sluggish because of all the various factors like his age which makes the girls think more than twice before considering anything romantic with him. (And if he makes a mistake, it'll probably drop fast too)

(Of course, this is just for comparision sake.)

As for the item, fine, I'll make it 3 turns, since Pierce's item is also 3 turns. I'm tempted to request that in return, the ability to use non damaging foe targeting moves to be allowed (which it is currently not).

Dracorion

05-18-2010, 06:49 PM

I have a reason.

But it's a pretty selfish one, really.

EDIT: Where does Impact rank in your dating sim analogy?

Geminex

05-18-2010, 10:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at_f98qOGY0

I just heard that song and thought that we could totally write some new lyrics for that...

Renny: I love Lola!
Pierce: I love Chizuru!
Fujiko (appears behind Renny, grinning): I love Shota!
Moon's Harem: And we all love Moon!
Impact: I hate the whole world! I hope to rule it soon!
....
Ok, not very well thought out, but you get the picture. We should totally write a few verses.

Astral Harmony

05-19-2010, 01:49 AM

Impact doesn't rate very well in the dating sim web. A lot of girls find his mannerisms and his pauses during speech to be very creepy and highly suspect, which leads to a lot of repulsion. Alcohol will help someone talk to him, like Calisto did, but as for developing any kind of romantic bond? Sorry, but Impact needs to work on his presentation. Even when he isn't trying to be romantic, he could kill his chance for romance with just idle chatter if he keeps talking and acting that way.

By the way, I'm not done with the database. I just got home. Plenty of time to work on it (I hope), so I figured it couldn't hurt to at least post about that.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got filthy hentai to watch and a database to work on.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 02:45 AM

What mannerisms?
As for the pauses in speech, that's just what I do! :(

And besides, he hasn't tried to be charming yet. He might be capable of that.

Astral Harmony

05-19-2010, 03:09 AM

...Pffft.

And to Menarker, I say 3.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 03:13 AM

Ok, ok, I'll try to get him to actually be nice to people.

...

Y'know, maybe I should also try to actually be nice to people...
...
Naaaah.

Astral Harmony

05-19-2010, 04:19 AM

Okay, here's what's going down. The Battle System Tutorial is almost done. The only reason it's not done is I'm fuckin' lazy.

But, the characters are done, as are details of the DSS and RPS. So, what I did is post it in the first post of this discussion thread. It provides an assload of data that you already should know, but will also provide much data on things I never told you yet, like the upgrades for the NPCs.

Please review it and ask questions. I know there's going to be a lot of 'em. As for me, I've been dying to play the fanslated dating sim game Shuffle. I loved the anime (a little too much drama, mind you, but damn entertaining) and I can't wait to try out the game.

Peace, homies. No RP post tonight (I'm lazy, remember?) but that document will give you plenty to read. I'll answer as much as I can tomorrow afternoon, soon's I get offa work.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 05:20 AM

Oh god. That's huge. You don't get to call yourself lazy, not if you do so much work. How much is that, 6000 words? 8000? You, sir are awesome.

Anyway, this is really impressive, I'll write down my questions later. I have a few.

Two to begin with, how do shock troopers work again? And can engineers construct for free?

Astral Harmony

05-19-2010, 05:28 AM

Shock Troopers are just really powerful fighters. They've got themselves, they've got their Pokemon, they've got all kinds of pain to bring to the table.

Engineers require only 50/100 RP...or is it 25/100 RP? It's in the document, I'm sure. Anyways, it costs RP to construct and that's it. No items, no turns lost, no nothin'.

Engineers will probably be upgraded on down the road with more stuff to construct, but Pierce told me in a PM once that he wants to bring one of his characters over to PATCA as an Engineer, so I need to think carefully about it so that when that character does join, she has something to construct.

Then again, there's probably nothing wrong with having two Engineers that can construct the same thing.

This Shuffle dating sim game plays out very much like the anime did.

As for the document's size, a good chunk of its data was pretty much typed down elsewhere. I've got like...maybe ten documents with various data, links to various posts in the discussion threads...most of the work was just piecing it all together and then organizing it to that it could be easily read and understood.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 06:07 AM

- The Shock Trooper is like an Enforcer who can be in the ally formation even if the main formation is all together. Each Shock Trooper has their own unique ability.
Ok, so what'd you mean by this, again? Remind me? Please?

Oh, and I'll need someone to alert Impact that his behavior doesn't seem very sympathetic to other people (otherwise I can't change it and stay IC). This individual could be an NPC or PC, don't mind, much. Except for Pierce. It can't be Pierce.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 06:20 AM

Oh, and I'll need someone to alert Impact that his behavior doesn't seem very sympathetic to other people (otherwise I can't change it and stay IC). This individual could be an NPC or PC, don't mind, much. Except for Pierce. It can't be Pierce.

It'll definitely be Pierce. *Insert evil laugh*

And damnit AB, I wanted to keep Elizabeth under wraps!

Geminex

05-19-2010, 06:24 AM

Wait, we get to invent NPCs?

It'll definitely be Pierce. *Insert evil laugh*
See, if Pierce tells him Impact will be all like "Mind your own business. Also, I slept with your mother." If, say, Charlotte or Renny tell him his reaction would be different, but he'd actually react instead of insulting them.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 06:26 AM

If Pierce does it, Impact will be pissed and less receptive to whoever else tells him after.

Well, I get to invent NPCs. You might be able to, too. Except you probably can't make the perfect girl for Impact. I mean, Pierce and Elizabeth are specifically never getting together.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 06:55 AM

No, he won't. Trust me, I know him well.

Nah, I won't make his ideal girl. But hey, Impact has a Past. Perhaps some former squadmates. With rank in Prideguard.
...
We get to control our own NPCs, right?

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:02 AM

Um... no. Yeah, no. Seriously, I'm not lying. Why would I lie?

Impact has a past? And here I thought he just spontaneously generated one day, as old, evil and bastardy as he is now.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 07:18 AM

Um... no. Yeah, no. Seriously, I'm not lying. Why would I lie?

Because you know about my plot to have Impact ask Rayleen for an official promotion once he's gained control over the Watchmen (just to establish a hierarchy and make operations in other jurisdictions easier, since, with rank, the officers of other PATCA branches actually have to obey him), then, when we eliminate the corrupt prideguard general, to suggest that Prideguard be integrated with PATCA. He'd offer to manage the integration (because he's got it all planned out already, and has the best knowlege of what needs to be done) and require a further promotion to, say, general, to be sure that potentially uncooperative Prideguard members have no choice but to obey his orders and give him the necessary authority and resources to manage such a huge undertaking. If former squad mates of his were officers in Prideguard, that'd justify his promotion to "temporary general" even more. Though eventually he'd arrange to have the "temporary" dropped.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:24 AM

Well, for one, I'm not sure what kinda promotion Rayleen would give Impact. "Field commander"? It would only feel like it's for show, even if it's a real promotion. Impact wouldn't really get more respect.

Also, I doubt Rayleen or even Shevetson have the authority to promote Impact to Prideguard. I mean, she could use her connections with the President, I guess, but that doesn't seem like a card she plays very often and I doubt she'd use it just for Impact.

Also, the Prideguard and PATCA are two different organizations, if only because one is law-enforcement and the other is military.

Man, I gotta come up with some cool stuff for Elizabeth to make. The other Engineers have weather effect clearing covered, so I guess that's more room for better items. She's not the kind to make mines and traps like Heidi, either. So I guess she'll be making Evoliths and status items with more kick than Mirror or Moon.

AB, lemme see if I got this straight: for every mission, we'll have space for ten characters, right? Five of those spaces will be occupied by the PCs, and the rest are for specialties. But Enforcers don't take up a slot, so in essence we get 15 characters, five of which are Enforcers and can't do anything until we switch them in?

Also, I changed Pierce's Co-Op Technique a bit:
Co-op Technique (Tyranitar & Blaziken)
Hellfire: Tyranitar launches three enemies into the sky with a powerful Earthquake, while Blaziken leaps into the air and delivers a powerful aerial beatdown to the enemies. Then Tyranitar pummels them with large rocks using Stone Edge, and Blaziken fires a powerful Overheat until finally the unlucky targets come crashing to the ground in a large fireball.
Effect: Critical damage dealt to three targets. 50% chance to inflict burn status on targets, 50% chance to inflict Internal Bleeding.
Consumes 100/100 Rage Points.

Was originally going to be that crippling effect that the Raikners did on Impact back at the party, but I like Internal Bleeding better. So approve it AB.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 07:46 AM

Four words: Desparate times, desparate measures. Two more words: Militarise PATCA.

And hey, Rayleen wouldn't be playing the card for Impact. He'd be given rank for the good of all of Homnyr. It wouldn't be "I wanna be a general". It'd be "Rayleen, there's two choices here. You can put me in charge, or someone less competent. Put me in charge, I can win this. I know what to do, I can arrange things. Organize them. You trust Renny. I know you do. And I'm not as nice, or as kind, as him, I know that too. Trust me, this once. I'll pull this through."
He'd be best suited to this job.

And sure, within the Watchmen the rank would be purely cosmetic, something to be called upon in desparate situations. Outside of PATCA? He'll be a captain, or field commander, or whatever his rank will be. It'd be a start.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:56 AM

Right, because Impact is clearly the only person in the world with military experience and tactical genius.

No, really. I wouldn't be surprised if Shevetson turns out to be a war hero. And he's got higher rank than you.

EDIT: By the way AB, Water Evoliths only have five moves while the rest of the Evoliths have six.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 08:11 AM

Who's Shevetson again? So... many... names

Also:
a) Impact is probably better at it than them
and
b) He's a front-line fighter against Ruin types. He knows their tactics, how powerful they can be. He has a lot more experience against them than any other possible choice in that sort of situation.

And besides, I doubt there's many individuals that have served in both military and PATCA. Additionally, however untrustworthy Rayleen might think Impact is (I'm not even sure she doesn't trust him, we don't know that), he's still more trustworthy than any of the Prideguard officers.

And why not have Elizabeth make gun turrets, or healing dispensers? And why are you suggesting that her status items should have "more kick" than mirror's or moon's?

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 08:24 AM

Shevetson is Regional Chief of PATCA. He's the guy Rachel was talking to way back when before the second mission.

Look, all I'm sayin' is Honmyr is a big place, Fainas is a big place and PATCA is a big place. I mean, look at how many members the Watchmen have! And they're presumably not the only PATCA squad in the city, even if other squads are probably smaller. I'm sayin', I doubt characters with military and PATCA experience are as rare as you think they are.

As we've been told, our squad isn't the only one fighting against Ruin pokemon, so there are probably others with experience against Ruin pokemon who are capable leaders. I just said Shevetson because he seems like the type, though we don't really know much about him. And, as you said, Impact is a front-line fighter. He might serve better staying a front-line fighter.

Her status items should have more kick than Mirror's or Moon's because she doesn't get traps or items that clear out weather effects. Although I'll probably just end up giving her items that deal stat decreases to enemies. Fits her style more.

Gun turrets and healing dispensers? I dunno, maybe. Probably not gun turrets. She'd rather use Evoliths and her own pokemon for type advantages. Gun turrets would be vulnerable to things like electric attacks, magnetism, and Overload and Short conditions.

I guess she can have healing dispensers. I'm thinking some kinda thingamabob that deals steady healing for a number of turns. Gotta figure out the details.

EDIT: AB, how do Evoliths, and turrets for that matter, work in the battle formation? Do they take up a space, or can we have as many as we want?

Geminex

05-19-2010, 08:31 AM

Oh, right. Still, he's PATCA, he has no military experience.

And thing is, I doubt any of the other possible choices have fought generals. The Watchmen are pretty much the frontline force, here, the spearhead, the elites.

Mind you, I'm not saying that this HAS TO HAPPEN, I'm saying that I'll see if I can make it happen, one way or another. I'll iron out the wrinkles later, the only reason I came up with it at all is that I had trouble falling asleep last night, so I did some thinking on how I could achieve Impact's goals. And hey, general of a joint police/military force seems pretty good.

Oh, and Menarker, I've been thinking... We determined that to make Renny's obedience to Impact IC, we'd need an emotional bond. What'd happen if Impact asked Renny to... give him some advice, on social interaction? Would that be enough to build up said bond? Hell, for that matter, make it Renny who approaches Impact about his curt, unfriendly manner. He wouldn't like hearing it from him, but he'd go "Wait, the weakest (i.e. most open, caring guy) here thinks I'm unfriendly? Shit."

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 08:37 AM

Cue gay jokes about Impact and Renny.

Like I said, we don't know much about Shevetson. For all we know he could have military experience. It's not outside the realm of possibility, anyway.

Impact wouldn't be doing much front-line fighting if he's in charge of the Prideguard, is he?

By the way, you would not believe how I smiled when AB pointed out Impact's abuse of pauses.

Putting this here so I don't forget, in orange because I'm too lazy to pick out another color: Elizabeth will be making Psychic Evoliths (Dawn Stone) and Steel Evoliths (Metal Coat). Also, stat decreasing items and healing dispensers.

Menarker

05-19-2010, 09:52 AM

I resent the overall "kindness/softheartedness = gayness" theme that Pierce is constantly belaboring. Do the rest of you think that it's pathetically tiresome when someone overuses a joke to the point of boredom and tears? =P *The fact that the same thing also means weakness in Impact's viewpoint doesn't make things much better either...*

The ability for Enforcers to switch out with the PCs to grant them a period of rest and charge up Rage is not in the database. Is this absence accidental or did you decide to remove it?

- A move that is designated to affect all targets like Gravity, Heal Bell, and Signature Techniques that target all will only strike the designated target and the two targets on either side of it.
Does this cause my "Effect All" ability "Propsperous Gifts" to effect only 3 people? (Kinda built the move intending it helped everyone in a manner that Sexy Party did before that got changed too.)
Interesting to note that Chizuru has THE EXACT SAME ability under the different name "Share Item" except that it's free for her (unless my version actually does cure the ENTIRE party as compared to her 3). I think it would be a bit demeaning/unfair that a move that I invented is not only copied but made free for the copy. (even if that copy is Chizuru)

In your maximized DSS setup, there are a total of ten slots. Each character will have an Enforcer who will guard their backs when the formation is complete (all PCs are in one battlegroup). This has no actual effect on the battle itself. When the formation is split up, Enforcers will enter the divided battlegroups and fight directly.

The other five slots are reserved for the other Specialties. You will have one Sniper, one Engineer, one Medic, and one Destroyer. You can see details for all of these Specialties in the section entitled Specialties.

So to clarify, unless a situation changes drastically and we're forced to split up, Impact, Pierce, Renny, Matthias, Charlotte will all be in the same group and there will be 5 others at most?

Also, if we don't have a Destroyer ready to recruit to our party, can we substitute for another person?

* Aster Lloyd (Pokebrid/Enforcer) [ASLL*]
- Callsign: Principality
- Pokebrid Forms & Synchronization Techniques:
2. Lucario (Zen Aura) ~ 3 Turns, Self Invincible, 100% Critical, 100% Hit. Aster uses the ability to see Aura and becomes the perfect fighter for three turns.

Is there anything special about Aura that we should know about like their overall effects, where/when they occur and such? (or should I check out Bulbapedia's section on it, since Ash was capable of using it too...) Or is that Aura thing just for description and flavor text?

In a similiar line of questioning, you mentioned that IC Aster has the ability to detect danger and that sort of thing. Is there no mechanic involving that, or is he for all purpose a normal NPC regarding danger (or even a "Captain Obvious" who reports danger once it already boldly announced itself to our team.)

Can there be multiple Evoliths on the field on our side at a time? Like say if any Engineer who can make Evoliths such as Moon manages to get enough rage to create a 2nd one while the first one is still active, is that possible?

And hey, Rayleen wouldn't be playing the card for Impact. He'd be given rank for the good of all of Homnyr. It wouldn't be "I wanna be a general". It'd be

"Rayleen, there's two choices here. You can put me in charge, or someone less competent. Put me in charge, I can win this. I know what to do, I can arrange things. Organize them. You trust Renny. I know you do. And I'm not as nice, or as kind, as him, I know that too. Trust me, this once. I'll pull this through."

Rayleen might take offense by the fact that by saying this, you declared (or imply) Renny as less competent especially right before saying that he know she trusts him. Hardly a good way to get in her good grace. =P
For all you know, she'll do what I do and state that being nice or kind does not mean he lacks competence of any kind, or something of that nature (why else you would bring it up?). Impact might truly believe that philosophy is a mistake, but what does that matter if he's not the one in position to pull the strings but rather her?

EDIT: Dormond's 3rd pokeshift is Houndoom? I thought you said it was going to be a Tentacruel? ^.~

Details on level by level progression of the character's upgrades and benefits including the vaguely hinted Half-Demon would be nice when you get the time to add that in.

- Poison, Freeze, and Confusion all generate Rage Points for the user when the effect deals damage to the target.

How/when does Freeze status itself does damage?

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 12:13 PM

Menarker

05-19-2010, 12:53 PM

Should I be bold enough to suggest that whenever AB talks about "a target and immediate adjacent targets" that we should refer to that as "Splash" or "Wing" effect or something?

That should clarify the difference between All targets (which should literally mean every applicable target) and AB's target and anyone on left and right side.
For example: Target an Ally. Apply full Splash healing. (Target and one on immediate left and right side get the effect of full healing.)

Naturally, Splash (or whatever we'll call it) will be cheaper than All targets for making techniques or so.

Oh, right. Still, he's PATCA, he has no military experience.

We don't know that. Impact has training in the military AND he's working at PATCA now, and he's much younger than Shevetson. Entirely possible that Shevetson had military training in the past or something relevant to it.

EDIT: Dante, have you decided what your 3rd form would be? You got access to legendaries as well, so it should be quite interesting to see what you choose.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 12:55 PM

Might wanna put it in orange.

EDIT: It's shorter to say Splash, but it might be easier to just say "the target and two adjacent targets".

Geminex

05-19-2010, 06:00 PM

Impact wouldn't be doing much front-line fighting if he's in charge of the Prideguard, is he?
Hey, Rayleen's in charge of us, and she still does front-line fighting. In this RP, high rank really doesn't mean you're not allowed in combat, especially if you find some way of justifying it.

By the way, you would not believe how I smiled when AB pointed out Impact's abuse of pauses.
Yeah, keep insulting me, why don't you. That's just how I talk! I choose my words... carefully. So does Impact. He just doesn't have the justification of "English-is-my-second-language".

Rayleen might take offense by the fact that by saying this, you declared (or imply) Renny as less competent especially right before saying that he know she trusts him. Hardly a good way to get in her good grace. =P
For all you know, she'll do what I do and state that being nice or kind does not mean he lacks competence of any kind, or something of that nature (why else you would bring it up?). Impact might truly believe that philosophy is a mistake, but what does that matter if he's not the one in position to pull the strings but rather her?

Well, in that sort of position, I'd imagine that Impact would be better-suited than Renny, even assuming that they're equal in terms of tactical and strategic planning (in which I'll endeavor to prove Impact's superiority during mission 3).
The only reason he would've mentioned Renny was to say to Rayleen "Look, you've promoted someone before. Time to promote me."

And I support the "splash" idea. Sounds good, will be useful.

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 06:46 PM

I've always used the term 'splash' so I got no problem for it. Presuming that the move splash never comes into play. Which I pray it doesn't.

And I've come up with the first co-op technique, barring approval. It was originally going to be a Buck/Sol-leks combo, but it seems to similiar to Pierce's.

Co-op Technique (Hammond and Pike)
Future Shock: Hammond circles the nearby skies and repeated uses stone edge, forming a ring around the foes in battle. Using the metals within the stones, Pike unleashed a discharge into them, leaving the entire ring a cage of scattered and jumping electricity, which then finds its way towards foes.
Effect: Moderate electric damage is done to all foes from the Discharge. Allies are unharmed. An electric version of Fire Spin (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Fire_Spin_(move)) effects enemies for 2-5 turns. 50% chance of paralysis upon initial attack.
Rage Points: 70/100

I literally made that up the time of writing this post, so suggestions are more than welcomed. Encouraged you could say.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 06:55 PM

Not enough murder.

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 06:58 PM

I liked the original draft better. I can type it out just to show you, but I need to have a little time to think it out.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:04 PM

Hey, Rayleen's in charge of us, and she still does front-line fighting. In this RP, high rank really doesn't mean you're not allowed in combat, especially if you find some way of justifying it.

Shevetson doesn't, and he's of even higher rank and probably has military training. I'm pretty sure the reason Rayleen gets to fight isn't so much her rank as it is her vagina. When Impact becomes a pretty girl, he'll be able to fight on the front line and rule the world too!

Yeah, keep insulting me, why don't you. That's just how I talk! I choose my words... carefully. So does Impact. He just doesn't have the justification of "English-is-my-second-language".

Hey, you didn't see me getting up in arms when you brought up Pierce's speech before (in the strategy room). You were making fun of Pierce because I (not him) botched it.

Keep in mind that way back when I brought up the whole "Impact abusing pauses" thing, you explained that it was a language thing and I dropped it. Impact bringing up Pierce's speech is pretty much the same thing and I didn't say a word.

So you don't get to bitch if I decide to make fun of you for it every now and then.

Go ahead and post it whenever, Bard. Can I make a suggestion?

Pierce's Co-Op technique hits four enemies. Why don't you make Charlotte's instant death on one enemy? Basically, just have your pokemon gang up on one bastard. Or have 'em gang up on two, for maybe not instant death but massive damage. Co-Op Techniques presumably don't have to involve only two pokemon. I'm pretty sure you can use several, though all that might kick up the RP cost a bit.

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 07:08 PM

Shevetson doesn't, and he's of even higher rank and probably has military training. I'm pretty sure the reason Rayleen gets to fight isn't so much her rank as it is her vagina. When Impact becomes a pretty girl, he'll be able to fight on the front line and rule the world too!

HOLD UP HOLD UP HOLD UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say we embrace Menarker's earlier notion of the Scorpion demon bug whose name escapes me at the moment things to do just this to Impact!

Menarker proposed that going half-demon/demon/whatever could possibly make Renny older. It was arbitrary and stupid so everyone rejected it, but I say we let him do that on the condition that this might happen to Impact! It must be done!

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:10 PM

Hell no.

I mean, it would be fun for a while, sure.

But keep in mind that you're giving the guy who wants world domination boobs. And later on when he gets mind control? Yeah, I can already see she-Impact seducing every single male in a high-ranking position in Honmyr.

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 07:15 PM

Gotta point. Guy never had any sexuality that was visible anyways, he wouldn't be too bothered by any guess.

Curse you Gem, and your calm and collected character(s). Curse you and them all.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:16 PM

Besides, boobs are what we make our own NPCs for.

Which reminds me, I totally forgot to work on Elizabeth.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 07:25 PM

So you don't get to bitch if I decide to make fun of you for it every now and then.
Psst. I was kidding.

As for the rest...

...

I'm really incapable of comprehending the implications of your suggestion to make Impact female. I mean, what does it mean for my character? For yours? For the entire RP? I don't know. I really, really don't know. Have we crossed some sort of event horizon? Have we gone from Gritty Pokemon Reimagining to Wacky Anime? Will things only get worse? I fear that they will, but how quickly? Is this even happening?
You have successfully broken my mind.

And besides, I really don't think being female would help his chances.
I might make the magatama age him, though. That might be cool...

Also, I'll show you Impact's sexuality! Later.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:29 PM

...

You mean you're going to have someone polish Impact's sword?

Not it!

Geminex

05-19-2010, 07:31 PM

I am going to have him have sex with someone. Possibly for the first time in his life, I'm not sure whether he should still be a virgin or not.

Pierce can go find another blade to polish. Try Aster, I'm sure he'd be very willing.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:34 PM

Heh. You still have to find a really really really easy girl and get her shitfaced enough to sleep with an evil bastard.

Good luck with that.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 07:46 PM

No, I think I prefer Dinner. Y'know, when Renny gives Impact the "how to be likable" lessons, I'm hoping that Impact will go from "sinister" to "corteous gentleman".

AB never said "All girls hate Impact". She said "They think his style of speech is a little weird". Fix the style of speech, make Impact sympathetic. Make Impact sympathetic, get a girlfriend. Get a girlfriend, rule world.

And I'll treat the fact that you didn't actually trust yourself to respond to the "Aster" remark as confirmation. Ha, that's why you were so supportive of making Impact female, wasn't it? You can bone Shizuka all you want, you'll have to have Pierce come out of the closet eventually.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 07:48 PM

What kind of NPC do you think I'm making second? Seriously, take a wild guess, I dare ya.

I mean, why get Aster when I can give Pierce the man of his dreams?

Also, AB's words were "a little creepy and highly suspect" which is miles worse than just weird.

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 07:52 PM

Also, I'll show you Impact's sexuality! Later.

http://www.somethingyoushouldread.com/images/articles/BrownBrickWall_tileable.jpg

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 08:02 PM

Anyway, posting Elizabeth's Co-Op Technique and Engineer skills for AB to approve. Not putting in the rest of her profile because I'm keeping that a secret.

Pokemon Co-Op: Bundles of Joy ~ Liz takes off her top and flashes three enemies, while Riolu surrepticiously drops explosives in front of the targets. 70/100 RP, decent non-elemental damage to five enemies, 100% chance to flinch, Attack and Special Attack drop by two stages each.
Engineer Skill:
1. Create Dawn Evolith ~ Constructs a Dawn Evolith. They resemble slender young women wrapped in cloth, floating a few inches above the ground and holding a crystal ball. Dawn Evoliths can use Hypnosis, Dream Eater, Psychic, Mist Ball, Luster Purge, and Zen Headbutt. Psychic Evoliths made with a Dawn Stone.
2. Create Iron Evolith ~ Constructs an Iron Evolith. They resemble metal-skinned triceratops. Iron Evoliths can use Iron Defense, Meteor Mash, Metal Burst, Iron Head, Iron Tail, and Mirror Shot. Created by using a Metal Coat as a power core with amplifier technology, which somehow works just as good as an Evolution Stone for creating Steel-type Evoliths.
3. Create Strength Inhibitor ~ Decreases Attack statistic of all foes by -2.
4. Create Defense Inhibitor ~ Decreases Defense statistic of all foes by -2.
5. Targeting Beacon ~ Allows Sniper to hit targets in Hailstorm, Sandstorm, and Fog.
6. Create Healing Dispenser ~ A medical platform that distributes healing items. Restores two allies by half of their maximum HP, lasts for five turns. Can only be used once per battle.

I could use some feedback. Particularly on the healing dispensers.

AB, when Amplifiers and Inhibitors say they hit all targets, does it really mean all targets or just three?

Geminex

05-19-2010, 08:10 PM

I think adding the stats decreaste to "bundles of joy" makes it a bit powerful. I'd increase RP cost or remove that effect.

And the dispenser seems too strong. It's more powerful than a medic, for god's sake, particularly because you don't need to supply it with items.

I'd say, it can use two items a turn, but they need to be supplied to it from someone's inventory.

And bard, very funny. I'd like to see you dominate the world and have a sex life at the same time.

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 08:17 PM

Impact ain't trying to dominate the world yet as far as I can see.

Although if the signs become clear, I can make a flag for him.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 08:21 PM

He's working his way up to it. And he's in the right mindset already.
...
Besides, what about Charlotte's sex life? I honestly cannot imagine anyone voluntarily sleeping with her.

And what d'you mean, flag? As in, design the flag that will fly over his great empire?

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 08:29 PM

Secrets of Charlotte's personal life will be revealed during her side quests. Rest assured.

And I do mean the flag that could fly over Impact's empire. Gotta warn you though, it will be as silly as it is awesome.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 08:39 PM

Do your worst. I can always reject it. But I wanna see what you'd come up with.

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 09:07 PM

I just finished the abomination. Its sitting restlessly among my paint files, but I can't upload it because it doesn't accept it as a valid image file. I don't want to size it down, that would destroy the effect. Any sites besides photobucket I could upload it on?

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 09:39 PM

Aw, damnit.

I thought Bard meant that Charlotte was going to turn Impact into a flag.

I think adding the stats decreaste to "bundles of joy" makes it a bit powerful. I'd increase RP cost or remove that effect.

And the dispenser seems too strong. It's more powerful than a medic, for god's sake, particularly because you don't need to supply it with items.

I'd say, it can use two items a turn, but they need to be supplied to it from someone's inventory.

Yeah, I changed my mind about the dispenser about three minutes after posting it. Still, not quite sure I like your proposal. How about two free items a turn that restore half the target's maximum HP, lasts for five (four?) turns and can only be used once per battle?

Yeah, I can kick up Bundles of Joy's RP cost. How does 70/100 sound?

Geminex

05-19-2010, 09:46 PM

I usually go photobucket... Have you tried tinypic?

Bard The 5th LW

05-19-2010, 10:00 PM

I'll have to continue my efforts tommorow. Still got two days of school left, so need to head to sleep.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 10:09 PM

Yeah, I changed my mind about the dispenser about three minutes after posting it. Still, not quite sure I like your proposal. How about two free items a turn that restore half the target's maximum HP, lasts for five (four?) turns and can only be used once per battle?
That'd be pretty good, I think. And the other move seems fine with 70 RPs as well.

I've come up with something for Impact...

Dark Ambition:
Impact lets out an evil laugh as he applies his mind to the task at hand, and realizes exactly how to bring upon his enemies' doom, and sets in motion a dark plot to destroy them. Gains +2 to all stats every turn, lasts three turns. Costs 70 RPs
Just a draft, but I like the effect.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 10:18 PM

I dunno. I mean, you're talking about getting 400 in every stat, and that's before you even go half-demon. Sounds to me like it needs at least a 100 RP cost, and I'm not sure even then.

Geminex

05-19-2010, 10:38 PM

I get what you're saying.
But firstly, one NPC, I think it's Wilhelmina, gets +5 to all stats and two attacks per turn, for 100. Admittedly, that only lasts for 3 turns, but still, it's pretty powerful, consideirng the usual brevity of our fights.

Secondly, he doesn't get it all at once. It's a long-term investment. I don't wanna raise RPs up to 100, 80's my ceiling. Assuming a cost of 80, what else would you want me to change?

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 10:49 PM

How about +1 to all stats every turn for four turns?

Geminex

05-19-2010, 10:53 PM

God no. That's weak. How about +2 when he uses it, and +1 every turn after that, for 4 turns, at a cost of 75 RPs.

Dracorion

05-19-2010, 11:03 PM

God fine, you big baby.

Menarker

05-20-2010, 01:04 AM

Back from work at last.

HOLD UP HOLD UP HOLD UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say we embrace Menarker's earlier notion of the Scorpion demon bug whose name escapes me at the moment things to do just this to Impact!

Menarker proposed that going half-demon/demon/whatever could possibly make Renny older. It was arbitrary and stupid so everyone rejected it, but I say we let him do that on the condition that this might happen to Impact! It must be done!

Awesome. Approval for using the Magatama for character retconning! ^^ Gem approved it too actually in PM for the age thing. When I made my character underaged, I didn't know this RP was going to be babes, babes and more babes. This change would help rectify that so it's not so taboo. Plus there is plenty of oppurtunity for character development for wanting to grow up (if Renny is feeling like he's falling behind or something) or (more) insecurity about how others think of him due to his age/size and so.

Anyhow, seems funny how Impact and Pierce are going to end up taking lessons on etiquette and speech and perhaps wine-making from someone who hasn't graduated from high school yet. :3 (Rest assured though, Renny won't go bragging about it and would probably be happy to help out sincerely, although he would be curious as to why they ask him for him... plus he might also warn that he's still young and hasn't experienced enough things to be a full teacher...)

I was also thinking that Renny can't use Trainer Attack at the moment because he doesn't have a weapon and he's not exactly strong compared to the others. So instead of asking AB for a substitute ability, maybe I could make a custom weapon that does no or little damage but auto-steal when Trainer Attack is used, as if Renny got trained to be swift and in the foe's face to steal stuff like items equipped by pokemons... and maybe healing items by opposing trainers and medics or so. Could be a neat way to develop. Renny offers Impact to teach in how to be more gentlemanly if he'll teach Renny how to defend himself more and contribute himself. Cue the Thief Glove or something.

Geminex

05-20-2010, 01:42 AM

Anyhow, seems funny how Impact and Pierce are going to end up taking lessons on etiquette and speech and perhaps wine-making from someone who hasn't graduated from high school yet. :3 (Rest assured though, Renny won't go bragging about it and would probably be happy to help out sincerely, although he would be curious as to why they ask him for him... plus he might also warn that he's still young and hasn't experienced enough things to be a full teacher...)

Don't overestimate yourself. He wouldn't be taking lessons, he'd be taking advice. A few hints, maybe. It wouldn't be teacher-student relationship, certainly.

I was also thinking that Renny can't use Trainer Attack at the moment because he doesn't have a weapon and he's not exactly strong compared to the others. So instead of asking AB for a substitute ability, maybe I could make a custom weapon that does no or little damage but auto-steal when Trainer Attack is used, as if Renny got trained to be swift and in the foe's face to steal stuff like items equipped by pokemons... and maybe healing items by opposing trainers and medics or so. Could be a neat way to develop. Renny offers Impact to teach in how to be more gentlemanly if he'll teach Renny how to defend himself more and contribute himself. Cue the Thief Glove or something.

Thief glove seems more like Matt's thing. And besides, considering how strong the enemy items are gonna be, I don't think you should get the opportunity to steal them unless you're using a pokemon's action to do so. I'd gladly have Impact teach Renny, but maybe not stealing. It needs to be something more Renny-like. Though I can't think of what it would be. Maybe decrease the attack of the enemy he hits?

And here's the final draft for Dark Ambition, I nerfed it slightly, to prevent Drac's wrath.

Dark Ambition:
Impact lets out an evil laugh as he applies his mind to the task at hand, and realizes exactly how to bring upon his enemies' doom. He sets in motion a dark plot to magnify his own power, and destroy them. Gains +2 to all stats the turn he uses it, and +1 per turn from three turns afterwards. Costs 80 RPs

Edit:
And AB, all the NPC slayers' weapons have a 50% chance to cause an additional effect. Does the same apply to Impact's weapons? Like, do the Claws of Darkness have a 50% chance to cause flinching?