Pokemon Umbral Discussion 23: My Favorite Number!

[Astral Harmony]

I dunno why it's my favorite number. I guess because it's a prime number.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae93/Shinigami_Ral/Girls%20from%20Pokemon/hentai--azusa-pokemon--blue-pokemon.jpg?t=1274568356

Half my kingdom to be that Porygon 2.

Anyways, the Battle System Tutorial is finally finished. Actually, I hope it's finished. There's always some ironing out to do for a document that effin' big. There are other documents, but since I'm back with duty days (my next one is Thursday), I'll just use those days to finish those and correct the first one.

Anyways, review it if you care. A good bit has changed, actually. Feel free to ask questions.

And don't worry about the NPC Slayer attacks losing their secondary power. I just kind of added the information about that to the Slayer weapons portion of the Slayer class information for Level 1.

[Dracorion]

For one, you listed Lexhur in the character index but there's actually no info for him.

I considered giving Elizabeth an ability to create an item that removes Fog, but considering that everybody and their mothers knows Defog, I decided against it. Should I give her it anyway?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Nah, I'm sure someone else has got it. And the interface seems pretty good for the most part. I'm going to have to hold onto it, for the sequel some day. I probably don't have a keen enough eye to notice any mistakes though.

[Astral Harmony]

I'll need time to think about Lexhur as well as other Destroyers in the future.

And it couldn't hurt to have a Fog remover. Some battles will be getting so chaotic that Fog of War will become a really serious issue. Since those weather removing devices work every turn, it's much more tactically sound to have a device do it instead of a Pokemon using all of its turns.

And by Fog of War, I literally mean great plumes of airborne dirt and dust that can fuck with accuracy and disable Snipers as a result of explosions, rapidly shifting earth, and various other factors like collapsing structures and ground type moves. Battle is going to be getting much dirtier and more warlike.

I've also altered some other nonsense around. There will no longer be such a thing as a split formation except in extreme cases when Pierce goes off by himself during his sidequest. So basically Enforcers will just be there to switch with when your character desperately needs a breather.

[Dracorion]

Okay then, consider Elizabeth as having:

7. Construct Giant Mechanical Fan ~ Exactly what it sounds like. Removes Fog.

EDIT: Wait a minute, hold the phone. If we're not going to be split, that's a really biiiiig problem. I'm pretty sure the only reason most of us ever agreed to let Geminex be team leader is because you said we'd be split a lot of the time and everyone would get a chance to lead their own party.

Goddamnit, fuck you AB. Fuck you too, Gem, I can practically hear your evil laughter. Y'know what? Fuck it, consider our deal broken, come up with whatever kinda reparations you want me to make, but Pierce isn't supporting Impact for leadership anymore.

[Menarker]

First, I love the picture. Totally awesome and Porygon 2 looks like he's having the time of his life!

Secondly, Drac, I thought of a last name for Elizabeth? Elizabeth Vanier?

Thirdly, many thanks for the Battle system by far, although I'm still very much curious about the content of future updates such as level 5 and the respective Super Levels and the Demon form.

Fourthly, will there be any benefit from pokemons having a high speed stat? Since our battles at the moment tend to use "Ally phase" and then "Enemy phase", speed has mostly been rendered useless, unless I'm mistaken about something... Maybe the difference between the attacker and the one being attacked determines additional crit chance or something?

[Dracorion]

Elizabeth Vanier? That's... almost. It's better than anything I came up with, but it's not quite there, still kinda weird.

[Astral Harmony]

God, what's the big fuckin' deal about being the leader?

Speed might as well be Critical Hit Chance in this RP.

[Dracorion]

Considering it's Geminex?

Pretty big.

[Astral Harmony]

Well, why don't you two do it as you've done it in Renny's Sidequest. Put up your own strategies, whip out your e-peens, and compare tactical significance and girth.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Gem is like a bro to me, but I'll admit, he seems to like being in charge a bit too
much.

As Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy put it, 'People who want to be in charge are the last people who should be put in charge.'

[Menarker]

Thanks for clarifying AB about the speed thing.

And got a few more questions.. sorry.


Doesn't the Paradigm Shift ability looks pretty damn expensive? I mean, you can't even use a Sync Tech unless you're in shifted form, and in order to use it, you're pretty much required to have 100 RP, regardless of the move's power. I mean I know there are a bunch of stuff like STAB boost, immunity to status and such, but when one of your major features cannot even be used unless you're maxed out, it looks a bit weak when compared to other class with Sync-techs like trainers and slayers who aren't required to be in a particular form to use their special move.
Maybe edit it so that Sync Techs can be used in or out of form, but it becomes more potent or have an additional neat trick when you're Shifted? Or make it so Shifting has an upkeep, and you have to pay the rage upkeep for every turn you're shifted? Like 20 rage on first turn, 20 rage on second turn, 20 rage on third turn unless you choose to abort the shift in the middle or something.

For confusion, can I hope/assume that if a foe is confused and it fails to hit its desired target, that the target it does hit will always be favorable? (IE: If it tries to hit Renny and it instead suffers from confusion, I hope it doesn't just hit Pierce instead. But rather that it'll hit itself or one of its own allies) because that status already got weakened a bit by having it snap out of confusion when hit directly.



EDIT: *Shrug* Sorry Drac. I had read the article on Craig Venter, and I thought of changing the name a little. Elizabeth Venter? You hoping for something that sounds smooth or something tough sounding or something?

[Dracorion]

EDIT: *Shrug* Sorry Drac. I had read the article on Craig Venter, and I thought of changing the name a little. Elizabeth Venter? You hoping for something that sounds smooth or something tough sounding or something?

Beats the hell out of me. I don't know if Venter or Vanier are smooth or tough. Still, smooth is probably the best choice.

[Menarker]

Visara? Azami? Treva? Teysa? Savra? Lucretia? Meribek? Mayael? Caleria?

I'm just pulling names out of trading cards games now...

[Dracorion]

No. Yeah, no.

[Geminex]

Y'know what? Fuck it, consider our deal broken, come up with whatever kinda reparations you want me to make, but Pierce isn't supporting Impact for leadership anymore.
Oh no you don't, you little bitch. We have a deal. We spent ages negotiating it. You will abide by it.


'People who want to be in charge are the last people who should be put in charge.'
'If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.'

I mean, honestly, people! What's the big problem? So I want to be in the lead. A lot. I'm still trustworthy!

[Dracorion]

Oh no you don't, you little bitch. We have a deal. We spent ages negotiating it. You will abide by it.

Or not. Yeah, not. Sorry man, I don't like it either. But this is too big. Come up with reparations as you see fit. Also, might wanna take this to PMs, 'cause it's probably going to be a looooong discussion.

I'm still trustworthy!

No, you're not.

[Menarker]

AB, are Pokebrids able to hold pokemon items like Leftovers or what not? If so, are they able to equip items from Leader pokemons (if they shift to pokemon trainer or such)? I remember way back when Dante said his character wasn't holding an item on purpose so he could use Thief.

[DanteFalcon]

AB, are Pokebrids able to hold pokemon items like Leftovers or what not? If so, are they able to equip items from Leader pokemons (if they shift to pokemon trainer or such)? I remember way back when Dante said his character wasn't holding an item on purpose so he could use Thief.


I still only choose to hold 2 of 3 items so that Thief remains a viable option. A Full Restore and a Chesto Berry.


On a completely unrelated note there are three months out of the year when Matthias mysteriously vanishes. And by that I mean he has someone lock him inside his house with lots of supplies.

[Menarker]

I meant In battle Held items, not single use on command healing items like the ones you mentioned.

[Astral Harmony]

I suppose I can just go for a 60:40 Rage Point ratio of Paradigm Shift to SyncTechs.

Confusion will always be favorable.

And yes, Pokebrids can equip accessories, including accessories from Leader Pokemon.

I'm glad Geminex and Dracorian are going to be fighting about this leadership bullshit for some time. I'd really like to get this silly little issue between them over and done with before Mission 3.

[Dracorion]

You say that like there won't be other issues.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I vote that they battle to the death. In or out of the RP. Me/Charlotte are fine with either.

Also, after some proper editing and Tinypic.com, I present the flag of The Empire of Ray Greene. I prefer the original appearance of it, but alas, there is nothing I can do. I can only hope this version is still awesome enough.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2e3q1xj.jpg

[Geminex]

If that weren't so horrible, it would still be really horrible. Like, it's double horrible. And laaaaaame. And horrible.
HORRIBLE.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The pretty chill guy on the sickle and hammer happened to be on the first search for Ray Greene, and the five guitar ninjas represent the five regions that he will presumably conquer.

I initially wanted to work in a nuclear explosion coming out of a pokeball, but it wouldn't fit. Still am a bit satisfied with the end result though, as you are disgusted by it.

[Menarker]

AB: A question regarding one of the Slayer's weapons...
Strange Parasite (Grass, 50% Drain)

Does that mean that there is 50% of the damage is leeched in a manner similar to Giga Drain? Or is it more like casting Leech Seed?

Still thinking of questions to ask...

EDIT: Aren't there some recent upgrades missing such as the Explosive Power accessory for Slayers?

[Astral Harmony]

Fixed. Document got so damn big that I had to split it in two.

And the Drain factor of Grass Slayer weapons gives a 50% chance of draining half of the damage as health.

[Menarker]

Thanks for the changes. It looks more organized too.

At least I got a general idea of what I might do for future levels, although that depends heavily on what the higher level classes will be like. But I imagine you're thinking of what to do with those if you haven't already. Plus, there is still time to spare since we only just hit level 4 if my memory be correct.

^^

[Astral Harmony]

The next post will be the kickoff of Mission 3! Should happen tonight unless there's more to discuss.

I mean, I know there's more to discuss, but when you guys are busy fighting, you're not usually at each other throats.

Y'know, because there're enemies there with their throats.

[DanteFalcon]

Matthias's little side bit is done for the moment.

[Menarker]

Nothing special on Renny's end, aside from trying to get Lola's number. ^,^

Well, that was one very drawn out sidequest. Hope you guys liked it and sorry if you didn't!

EDIT: So has anyone decided on their enforcer of choice, since everyone gets one? I mean, I know we get to switch them around, but any preferances?

EDIT: AB, Renny is going to check to see if Evangaleen DID put a video up of that thing (at home). He IS curious about what Lola tried to stop him from seeing (and wonders why she brought up the possibility to him during the party). Cue steep mental development from seeing his first porn if such a thing DOES exist. :3 Just don't feel like writing it now, since Impact and Pierce might still be chatting and Renny might get involved for all I know... Just saying though in case you care to put the results of that in the next post or something.

[Astral Harmony]

Oh screw off, Menarker. We know Renny's already seen it!

Renny: "C'mon, just a peek!"
Evangaleen: "Huh? Well, sure I guess."
Renny: "Yay! Thank you!"
Evangaleen: "But, I don't know why you started off with 'c'mon, just a peek!' like that. You didn't even tell me what you wanted."
Renny: "You recorded that...uhhh...exchange between Moon and Shannon, right?"
Evangaleen: "Damn effin' skippy, I did. Aw, you wanna see Evil Eevee Eight homemade pornography, eh? Sure, lemme bring it up."
Renny: *watching the video*
Evangaleen: "..."
Renny: "..."
Evangaleen: "Your face when you're watching pornography is weird, Renny. What's up with that? It's like you're watching Two Gardevoirs One Cup or studying for a college entrance exam."
Renny: "That's it! I knew it! I've seen this before!"
Evangaleen: "Lemme guess. Garus let you peek at, drum roll please, The Motherlode?"
Renny: "No, my mom and dad!"
Evangaleen: "Well, I guess it happens to everyone."
Renny: "Hmm. So mom really wasn't hurting dad that time."
Evangaleen: "Unless your dad wanted your mom to hurt him. There're people like that."
Renny: "That was interesting! Oh, what's this about Garus and his Motherlode?"
Evangaleen: "Well, Garus is rather proud of this for some reason, but he has a whopping 14.2 terabytes of pornography downloaded from all over the Internet."
Renny: "14.2 terabytes?! Can a human being even watch that much without going blind or impotent or deranged?"
Evangaleen: "My guess is that Garus tried. And probably failed. Not sure, really. You can't really see his eyes because his bangs are in the way, and I've never bothered to see about whether he was insane or limp."

This omake is probably not an omake, actually. Believe it or not, Garus the Glaceon trainer intends to have the largest collection of downloaded pornography ever. He's more twisted than Matthias.

Heh heh heh...Matthias. Every time I see that name, I think of Dead Space. Maybe I should put Necromorphs in Pokemon Umbral.

[DanteFalcon]

Wait wait wait.

Doesn't Matthias get his head bashed in by one of those juggernaut things?

[Astral Harmony]

Nah, Captain Matthias was the captain of the USG Ishimura, and he was also a Unitologist. He goes insane like just about everyone else from the alien Marker's proximity, Dr. Kyne tries to relieve him of duty because of said insanity, but accidently stabs the syringe with the knockout meds into Matthias's eye during the struggle, penetrating his brain and killing him. Kind of a rare way to die considering that everyone else was getting cut the fuck up by Necromorphs.

Later on when Isaac goes to get the codes from Matthias' body (which somehow made it all the way to the morgue despite how much the necromorph invasion has spread), the first sighting of an Infector jumps on his body and turns it into an Advanced Slasher. I remember that scene. Really freaky shit.

Anyways, I guess I'll actually kick off Mission 3 tomorrow afternoon. I think I'll need to do some other things that night and you guys'll probably have more questions.

[DanteFalcon]

Peachy.

I dislike this whole necromorph idea. Something about me getting the horrible feeling of being put into the same situation "somehow". Yes I know. I'm a paranoid freak. So sue me.

[Astral Harmony]

I'd never put Necromorphs into Pokemon Umbral. I'd love to create an RP based on Dead Space but I have other ideas. Besides, Ruin Pokemon pretty much fit the bill for freaky, murderous monsters that are trying to control the world.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Soooooooo..... anyone want to post? Been movin' a bit slow-like as of late.

[Menarker]

Sorry, back to back work, and I'm gone in a few minutes and I won't be back until the evening, when AB will probably post the new chapter.

Renny would probably have just wished Lola the best, said bye to everyone and all that.

[Astral Harmony]

I'm off early today so I'm going to go ahead and start Mission 3.

EDIT 1: Okay, here're the basics.

Your enemies will be Slayers, Engineers, Medics and Pokemon of the Honmyr Prideguard. You will also have to deal with the Pokebrids and Pokemon of the Harbingers of Ascension, Faynoc's cult. Watch out for surprises.

Remember that each main character (that's you fine fuckers) have a slot for assigning an Enforcer to switch up with. You also have a single slot each for the Shock Trooper, the Medic, the Engineer, and the Sniper.

Once that's done, decide on a formation setup. Like this:

[Matthias] [Evolith/Device Space 1] [Renny's Pokemon 1] [Renny's Pokemon 2] [Charlotte's Pokemon 1] [Charlotte's Pokemon 2] [Shock Trooper's Pokemon 1] [Shock Trooper] [Shock Trooper's Pokemon 2] [Evolith/Device Space 2] [Impact] [Engineer] [Pierce's Pokemon 1] [Pierce's Pokemon 2] [Medic]

By Evolith Device Spaces 1 & 2, you can select where the Engineer deploys the Evolith and where he or she would deploy a device like a weather negating device. He or she can have an Evolith and a device deployed at the same time.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm not going to be around tommorow, so generally try to not engage in Conversation with Charlotte until like, 9 p.m.

[Dracorion]

So Chizuru, Kirie and Mika aren't available for this mission?

[Menarker]

I'd guess not.

Anyhow, guess we gotta choose the specialists we'll be using and the enforcers we each want. *Thinking*

[Dracorion]

"You're taken your first step into a larger world." Good for Impact! I mean, it's pretty obvious that his reaction was controlled, but good for Impact anyway!

So what, he's going to dual-class to Battle Master later?

[Menarker]

Finally the forum is back up again. Was annoyed by the downtime

Anyhow, guess we gotta choose the specialists we'll be using and the enforcers we each want.
(I'm taking Cecilia as my Enforcer btw.)

Proposed:

Shock Trooper: Rayleen (Fighting Faynoc who is known to have employed Ruin pokemons, so dragons is damn good choice. Geminex has a Gal-Tech with her.)
Other choices: Harriette (Mixed type pokemon, double rage gain)
Bretton (Several fire pokemon with immunity against fire. Potentially a good choice for fighting against whatever is creating the blue flames, plus his slayer power is the highest during Sunny Day.)

Medic: Rachel (Magnet Crush to deal with soliders. Multiple Steel types to help with Ruin types. Electric type effective on Lugia's Flying type.)
Other Options: Lola (Renny has a Gal-Tech with her. New Dragon form. Her ability makes healing items practically last two turns.)
Angelo (Multiple pokemons, Psychic useful against Ruin types)

Sniper: Whitney (Can identify Muon. Multiple pokemons. Combine her Mismagius ability with her sniping to prevent her from getting hurt to practically multiple her sniping power by 2.5 for 3 turns.)
Other options: Evangaleen (Multiple pokemons, Electric types useful against Lugia's flying type. )
Wilhelmina (POWERFUL signature Tech, multiple weapon types effective against Ruin)

Engineer: Moon (Likely to be damn useful against the blue flame thing due to multiple water types. Several pokemons. Has a Gal-Tech. Ice Evolith useful against Lugia-flying type.)
Other options: Mirror (Evolith boosts attack stat, Punishment deals with foes that overbuff, combo well with Bretton AND Wilhelmina.)

Enforcers:

Shannon (Combos with Sunny Day and thus with Bretton. Useful Gal-Tech with Moon that is cheaper if she is on the field at the same time too.)

Hector (Multiple Pokemon. Dark types useful against ruin types. Co-Op Tech causes enemy attacks to miss a good deal of the time)

Cecilia (Invincibility for 3 turns when using her Signature Technique.)

Kurika (Immunity to 3 types and some status effects. CHEAP 100% OHKO attack. Best taken by someone who can build up rage very fast. Has a attack type useful against Ruin type)

Milsha (Cheap Signature Technique that only somewhat weaker than Kurika against normal foes, but MUCH more useful against bosses that can be hit by status affliction. Has an attack type useful against Ruin types.)

[Dracorion]

Small nitpick, I doubt we'll be fighting Ruin pokemon this mission, and even if we do they'll probably be in small numbers, so I think we can replace Rayleen for someone else. Otherwise, we'd have to bring her on every single fucking mission, and we're only allowed one Shock Trooper.

Also, we can probably spare Rachel too. Her Magnet Crush would be useful, but not strictly necessary.

And Whitney can just provide a description of Muon.

We don't necessarily know the blue flame means a fire-type. Also, you probably shouldn't factor in Faynoc when you come up with a team, since I doubt we'll be fighting him, and even if we do, it won't last for very long.

Dibs on Milsha as my Enforcer. Sucks to be Impact, who's only left with Pokebrids and trainers. And Kurika, but no one wants that.

[Menarker]

Hence why I mentioned other characters that would be a good choice and why. But if we were to use out of character information, Ruin pokemons are potentially likely due to Faynoc knowing that Jeanette is the gene commander and that by genetics her daughter probably is one too..
But yes, I would prefer using Bretton for this mission (for the sake of variety). He combos well with Shannon due to grass type using Sunny Day a lot and increased power will help crush single foes faster. *Shrug*

Rachel would be useful to shut down offences by those guys, and thus reduce the number of items used up by the time we get to the main bad guys. Unlikely we'll get missions with as many metal using foes as this, I think she's our best choices. (Otherwise, I would pretty much end up always using Lola, since Renny got a Gal-Tech with her and all that.)

As for Whitney, she has a good deal of pokemons, which sets her apart from the other two listed snipers and the chance to nearly triple her attack power for 3 turns. In addition to the plot point of finding Muon (and using her help to convince Muon to stand-down since she doesn't know who the PATCA members are and thus she might try to defend herself by attacking)


EDIT: Figured out the second custom item I was trying to think of...

Custom Item 2: Staunch Supporter's Bandanna
Effect: Gain equal rage whenever an ally would gain rage from getting damaged or from Vengeful Rage.

AB, is this ok?

ALSO, do Enforcers have their own rage meter or do they share the rage of the person they are partnering with?



EDIT: Also, now that I think about it, you're likely right about the blue fire thing not being fire type itself.

Anyhow, I was just putting suggestions and some alternatives. Put your own proposal of what you think would be good.

[Dracorion]

You would end up using Lola? Fuck you man, I got a Sig-Seq with Chizuru. And it's a doozy.

Also, the fact that Jeanette and Myrie are genetic commanders is exactly why Faynoc wouldn't want to bring Ruin pokemon anywhere near them.

There will be plenty of further skirmishes with the Prideguard along the line, so I'm sure we'll have a lot of chances to use Rachel's Magnet Crush. The thing is, we've also got Pokebrids to deal with.

I'm if Muon doesn't recognize PATCA, all it'd take to get her to stand down is to say "HEY, LISTEN BITCH, WE'RE PATCA".

As for your custom item: no, absolutely not. Overpowered.

[Menarker]

You would end up using Lola? Fuck you man, I got a Sig-Seq with Chizuru. And it's a doozy.

Also, the fact that Jeanette and Myrie are genetic commanders is exactly why Faynoc wouldn't want to bring Ruin pokemon anywhere near them.

There will be plenty of further skirmishes with the Prideguard along the line, so I'm sure we'll have a lot of chances to use Rachel's Magnet Crush. The thing is, we've also got Pokebrids to deal with.

I'm if Muon doesn't recognize PATCA, all it'd take to get her to stand down is to say "HEY, LISTEN BITCH, WE'RE PATCA".

As for your custom item: no, absolutely not. Overpowered.

Good point on the gene commander thing. Aside from the fact that neither of them knows this unless he or someone else in their organization has been blabbing about it. But yeah, you're likely right about there being little to no ruin types...

Rachel would be useful for dealing with the pokebrids because she has a full team of pokemon as opposed to Lola. (Angelo has a full team too, but doesn't has Rachel's bonus)

Well, you certainly can't use Chizuru this round.
Lola's Gal-Tech is amazing btw (More so than yours in a boss battle). Combined with her innate ability, she and Renny can heal the entire party (if they can afford the rage between the two) and give them a half heal the next turn all for one item. Yours is still damn useful, but when it comes to Support, Lola and Renny takes the cake. Yours is more of a balance of preventive support and offence.

Anyhow, since you seem so adamant that Whitney isn't needed for Muon, do you think someone else would be better? Mind you, Whitney is powerful on her own with a full team of pokemon and nearly triple power sniping when she is using her Mismagius shift-tech, plot bonus not withstanding.

Also for my item, what if I removed the Vengeful Rage part of it, so it only triggers when an ally gets hurt? (Getting hurt grants 5 rage.)

AB: If someone uses a Gal-Tech, do the actions of both partners involved get used up or only the one who initiates it? I'm assuming the latter since Moon and Shannon are both listed as being able to use the same tech and the tech is usable even if their partner is not on the field.

[Dracorion]

So? Faynoc still wouldn't bring Ruin pokemon, simply as a precaution. It's criminally irresponsible bordering on too-stupid-to-live to bring unstoppable superweapons that an enemy could easily command for themselves.

Well, Rachel's Medic skill isn't that good, but whatever. Let's bring her along.

About Pierce's Sig-Seq, I think you underestimate the value of making enemies waste an attack. Also, affording to heal all targets with your Sig-Seq is a biiiig if. We have thirteen active combatants, fifteen if you count Evoliths. Even if Renny and Lola split the cost, that's 65 RP each of you have to spend.

I'm adamant about not having Whitney because we should give another Sniper a shot. I'm sure eventually we'll decide that with her Mismagius ability Whitney is just fuckin' aces and we'll be bringing her along for every single mission.

As for your custom item: still hell no. There's a lot of allies and a lot of enemies, and even at 5 RP that's a lot of rage you'd be getting every turn.

[Menarker]

Oh, your technique is powerful, I make no mistake on that. But most combatants can survive 2 and maybe 3 attacks. With a spread of Full Restore, that's like a few turns recovered while yours prevents a single round. I said your technique had "preventative" support, which is still damn good, and can be useful to stop foes from using support stuff like Sunny Day, Curse, buff moves and help prevent against foes ganging up on a single target. Both have varying level of utility.
Put it this way. If there wasn't a limitation on only having 1 medic on the team, we'd probably always have Lola and Chizuru and we'd never lose. :3

I figured that Whitney would be awesome in this case because she could help with Muon and maybe some insight on Faynoc. Otherwise, when it comes to Sniping, Wilhelmina is potentially much better because she gets +5 stage boosts to all stats including attack, and 2 attacks per turn for 3 turns, which effectively becomes double of what Whitney can do. No pokemon for support, but when she will likely OHKO 2 foes per turn, that's not neccessarily a huge drawback.

Trying to think of some other way to make an item to help gain rage since both of Renny's techniques are quite on the costly side...

[Dracorion]

What, like Pierce's techs aren't costly? His Co-Op tech costs 100/100, his Sig-Seq with Shizuka costs 80/100, and his Sequence with Chizuru costs 50/100 (though I'm even thinking of knocking it down to 40). You don't see me trying to come up with ways to get more rage.

[Menarker]

Dude, 50 is already cheap for what it does. You divide it's cost in half whenever you're with Chizuru. Paying only 25 rage every turn if she's in the party and paying too is pretty darn broken, especially if both of you are allowed to initiate the move and thus prevent 12 actions at the cost of 50 for both of you per turn.

[Dracorion]

Yeah, exactly.

So quitcherbitchin'.

[Menarker]

I meant for that one technique. Your other techniques are expensive. Besides, AB said that rage gaining can be influenced by items and abilities and such. Totally approved concept. If you tried to get an item that boosted your rage gaining, I wouldn't have minded.

If someone wants to propose an idea for a good rage gain item, I'll think it over. (Preferably one that isn't triggered by attacking since I'm attempting to make him a bit of a supporter.)

[Dracorion]

No one's saying you can't have an item that boosts Rage gaining. Just, y'know, your idea was ridiculous.

Maybe an item boosts the rage gained from Renny's pokemon taking damage by x1.5.

To that end, I'm going to have to propose that we change Follow Me to only work for the user's pokemon. Like, if Renny has Togekiss use Follow Me, it'll only affect Renny's other pokemon and the only attacks that will be drawn at Togekiss will be attacks targetting Renny's pokemon, but enemies can still attack pokemon owned by someone else or Slayers or Pokebrids.

Maybe for Pokebrids (not Legion Mages) using Follow Me, they can only use it on other lone Pokebrids or lone Slayers and not trainer Pokemon.

[Menarker]

I TOTALLY OBJECT TO THAT, YOU ASS!

Follow Me is a risky move as you can obviously see at the last battle with Togekiss being knocked out nigh instantly when used, but it's obviously a very special support move. For you to nerf it is blantently unfair especially when you never intend to use it, and my character concept is built under the notion of support, even choosing pokemons that aren't sheer battle types for the sake of support. And Follow Me is only on a very select few pokemons to begin with!

AB, I totally object to Pierce's prior suggestion and urge you to reject it as well.

And your item suggestion is honestly stupid too. Changing getting 5 rage to 7 or 8 rage upon getting hit? AB would kill you for making him keep track of all those useless bits of rage. The closest to it is Harriette's ability which doubles all rage she gets.

[Dracorion]

Except, y'know, counterargument: say you give Togekiss the support item that boosts rage-gain when taking damage by x1.5. And you use Follow Me on anyone. Renny's Togekiss then draws everyone's attacks at itself, takes three-four hits (let's say three) to fall down. That's 22.5 Rage Points right there. Then you revive it at the start of next turn for an extra 25 Rage, effectively getting you 50 (well, 47.5, but who's counting?) RP. I dunno about you, but that seems like a lot of RP to get in one turn.

Technically AB was already willing to keep track of those useless bits of Rage when he came up with an ability called Berserker that boosted Rage gain by 1.5.

EDIT: Although looking at the BTS, Berserker doesn't seem to be there. Well, here's what I was referring to from when AB first posted the RPS:

- The Ability called Berserker will increase the amount of Rage Points generated by an action by 1.5. Trainers and Snaggers can change the ability of their Leader Pokemon to this should they desire. Be careful against enemy Pokemon that have this ability. Pokebrids can choose to have this ability for their third DNA splice.

[Astral Harmony]

Kirie, Mika and Chizuru are still available. And since Pierce's sidequest in Millenium House comes next, you won't really have a time when you can't use 'em.

As for that hold item, I'm dumbing it down to gaining Rage for the allies right next to you. Remember that the trainer holds the Rage for all of his Pokemon.

Enforcers have their own Rage. They are their own characters, after all.

Yes, only the initiator of the SignSeq uses their action. The partner can still act.

I don't think I can agree to Dracorian's wish to change the rules for Follow Me. It'll only affect the target that the user is protecting, right?

[Menarker]

@Drac: Not anymore. AB removed Berserker. It's not in the database, remember? He said some stuff had been changed and such.

If Renny tried to do the Follow Me/Vengeful Rage thing on any sort of regular, then we'd lose items so fast that we'd be in trouble if the battle drew out long term. (Doesn't help that Togekiss is the one who Renny has a Co-Op technique with. It's in Renny's interest to have him healthy)

And it only seems like a lot of RP because someone else isn't getting it. It's all equal amount of RP. It's a trade off of protecting someone who is more valuable at the time and gaining rage for a very high chance of losing that pokemon and wasting an item if that pokemon is revived.

EDIT: Yes, AB, Follow Me only protects the one target selected by redirecting the attacks to itself.

And I can accept AB's change to the item. Will it take effect with Vengeful Rage or just with damage?

[Dracorion]

And it only seems like a lot of RP because someone else isn't getting it. It's all equal amount of RP.

Yes, exactly! Someone else isn't getting it, you're hoarding the RPs to yourself. So instead of everyone getting a nice, relatively equal flow of RP to themselves, you'd get halfway to 100 Rage by yourself in one turn.

[Menarker]

Then it's a good thing that AB approved a dumbed down version of the item I proposed instead of yours which required an unfair nerf to use properly.

Follow Me cannot be used recklessly at all, since items are finite resources and it very highly requires my pokemons to be knocked out... While someone might not get rage that turn for being hurt, the buffs they keep and the rage they get for attacking makes up for it (Plus now that I think about it, the item that would be used to raise them if they would be knocked out is saved too.) Follow Me is a one turn effect anyhow, only taking the rage for as long as the pokemon lasts.

And if Rage among allies is such an issue, keep in Mind that Lola and Renny's Gal-Tech can also be used to give 25 rage to everyone who is paid for if used with the Rage Rocket item. ^^ Hell, imagine Supreme Upgrade being used with that. ^^

Renny getting rage does great things for everyone, not just himself (support and all) when used properly.

[Dracorion]

I think it's specifically too much Rage that's the issue.

And Christ, I just thought about Rage Rocket and your Sig-Seq and Christ... Okay, example time: say Renny and Lola use Prosperous Gifts, but only for each other. They each pay 10 Rage to affect each other with the Rage Rocket, effectively gaining 15 Rage each (the only way they could gain 30 Rage together is if both of Renny's pokemon and Lola used multi-target attacks), the only downside being they don't get to attack (actually, since only one of them uses their turn to initiate the Signature Sequence, the other one can do it again or attack for themselves). I'll let you follow this train of thought.

Which reminds me, do allies gain RP for being the target of a multi-target attack used by the ally next to them?

Meh, you can't just convince me by telling me it benefits me too! It's about balance and fairness and all the rest of that crap, whatever they mean.

[Menarker]

I think it's specifically too much Rage that's the issue.

And Christ, I just thought about Rage Rocket and your Sig-Seq and Christ... Okay, example time: say Renny and Lola use Prosperous Gifts, but only for each other. They each pay 10 Rage to affect each other with the Rage Rocket, effectively gaining 15 Rage each (the only way they could gain 30 Rage together is if both of Renny's pokemon and Lola used multi-target attacks), the only downside being they don't get to attack (actually, since only one of them uses their turn to initiate the Signature Sequence, the other one can do it again or attack for themselves). I'll let you follow this train of thought.

Which reminds me, do allies gain RP for being the target of a multi-target attack used by the ally next to them?

It's only that much rage gained if the pokemon was in perfect shape (Can only gain 5 rage for each hit, so the pokemon has to last fairly long to amass anything important.) Makes more sense than gaining 20 rage for using an ineffective attack. If the pokemon was already in combat and already wounded, less rage would be gained. Renny also is effectively trading in the ability to attack in order to help support others. If he's doing one thing, he forfeit the chance to do something else. It's not something he'd be doing constantly.

Oh god, your example assumes that I would be so wasteful with items. I wouldn't bother using Propserous Gifts for helping less than 5 people unless it was a sheer emergency. Rest assured, if Pierce, Impact or someone else could really use the boost (like you're close to getting the Co-Op technique) chances are Renny and Lola would help you. We would only have a certain number of items before we run dry and most of it have to be healing items. (Mind you, it gets damn expensive for Renny if Lola isn't around and we aren't having her every mission apparently...)

As for your recent question to AB, I'd think yes since rage is gained when damage is taken. Still a good question to make sure though.

AB: Do we have access to Supreme Upgrade btw or is that only accessible to our enemies at this point? (Drugs or whatnot)

We should probably see what Gem and Dante and Bard have to say about this.

[Dracorion]

We should probably see what Gem and Dante and Bard have to say about this.

Bah, screw 'em. Unless they agree with me in which case love you.

[Menarker]

One more thing that came to mind.

There is already a character that AB made that makes pretty much the same rage that I proposed for my character without jumping through the hoops that my character has to. She gets it just from doing her standard actions.

Harriette doubles any rage she gets thanks to her ability. She gets 10 rage whenever she or her pokemons attack. Whenever she or any of her pokemons get hurt, she gains 10 rage. Double THAT if she or her pokemons use the ability Prime to forfeit their action for the turn. So she'd get 20 rage for every time she or her pokemon gets hurt in THAT situation. And she's able to attack multiple times due to having herself and two pokemons on the field at a time!

... I wonder why I didn't put Harriette higher in my list of Shock Trooper to start with...

EDIT: I just realized that Faynoc might hate Renny in particular, since he is one of the select few who killed all his all his Legendary Pokebrids, (Moera, The Dark and Light) and was the leader of his respective group both times. This, of course, assuming he learns about Renny's involvement in particular. *Shrugs*

[Dracorion]

Don't you go trying to make your character more important than he actually is, now.

Anyway, I don't think Burkmont knows about the Kimonos, but I'm not sure. I seem to remember something about Burkmont not having made it into the ruins yet. Nope, yes he has.

[Menarker]

Don't you go trying to make your character more important than he actually is, now.


I know, it's nothing more than a canon omake, but still worth noting in case the two ever interacted, since only Charlotte (Moera) or Matthias (Light and Dark) fought any of his minions aside from Renny. But Renny is the only one to do so repeatably. A constant thorn in the side if you will. ^^; Not that Faynoc will ever know.

Faynoc: And now, you ignorant fools of PATCA, you'll feel my wrath!
Renny: I'll stop your cruel experimentations, or my name isn't Renny Tresserhorn!
Faynoc: ... Is that supposed to be shake me with fear? Your name isn't worth the shit that my lab flunkies clean up. You're but a mere brat!
*Far away, Faynoc's lab janitor has to clean up after utter crap that several of Faynoc's legendary monsters create, Lugia especially being much larger than a Rapidash...*
Renny: ... I thought it would. You failed to kill my group 3 times...
Faynoc: Oh please. That says nothing about your accomplishments.
Renny: I led one of the groups that killed Moera and then Phantomere. You tried to send an entire squad to my house including the Dark and the Light. They died to my group too.
Faynoc: *Starts frothing at the mouth, biting lips and muttering unspeakable curses*

[Geminex]

Wow. Drac discussing balancing. Lemme get my popcorn.

I'm sure that the RPS is broken as hell in half a dozen of different ways. But I'll be waiting to see how exactly it's broken, before I make balancing suggestions. As such, I won't be joining the follow-me discussion.

As for Menarker's item, I find myself siding with Drac. Menarker's first proposal was rather overpowered. I'm fine with AB's suggestion for now. Though that might not last the mission.

Oh, and didn't we say that trainers would only be allowed to deploy 1 pokemon?

And Drac, what the fuck? Pierce doesn't know nearly enough to be drawing those conclusions IC. And no, Impact won't be going master of battle. God no. He won't be using Latios in battle. He'll be using it... between missions.

[Menarker]

Gem, in regards to only being able to deploy one pokemon, I kinda thought that was how it might be, but AB posted this earlier...



Once that's done, decide on a formation setup. Like this:

[Matthias] [Evolith/Device Space 1] [Renny's Pokemon 1] [Renny's Pokemon 2] [Charlotte's Pokemon 1] [Charlotte's Pokemon 2] [Shock Trooper's Pokemon 1] [Shock Trooper] [Shock Trooper's Pokemon 2] [Evolith/Device Space 2] [Impact] [Engineer] [Pierce's Pokemon 1] [Pierce's Pokemon 2] [Medic]

By Evolith Device Spaces 1 & 2, you can select where the Engineer deploys the Evolith and where he or she would deploy a device like a weather negating device. He or she can have an Evolith and a device deployed at the same time.

Showing multiple pokemon slots for the same trainer and all.

[Dracorion]

Oh, and didn't we say that trainers would only be allowed to deploy 1 pokemon?

Don't think that applies anymore with the DSS and all.

And Drac, what the fuck? Pierce doesn't know nearly enough to be drawing those conclusions IC. And no, Impact won't be going master of battle. God no. He won't be using Latios in battle. He'll be using it... between missions.

Sure he does. The Impact one, anyway. I think it's pretty clear that Impact doesn't like Pokemon. I mean, he grew up in a town that was terrorized by pokemon, he referred to them as monsters, and he's a pure Slayer. That's all pretty contributive to the theory that he doesn't like pokemon. Then he told Pierce to keep his pokemon away from him (and didn't specify that it was just Nagarai) and didn't want to take Latios.

The extent of his contact with Latios extended as far a touching it's snout, which is less than any non-pokehatin' person. His reaction wasn't like "huh, I guess this isn't so bad", it was trying to be that. And it was so obvious it might as well have pulled out it's cock and slapped everyone across the face with it.

Besides, this hasn't turned Pierce off of supporting Impact as leader at all. He's hoping the guy will turn around and realize that pokemon ain't that bad.

I took some liberty with the Faynoc one because we're doing this mission anyway and nothing we do in-game is going to change that so what the hell.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just got back. Read Gem's post. Think me and Drac broke Impact.

[Geminex]

If by "broke" you mean "helped him overcome inbuilt inhibitions and finally releasing his true potential" than yes, yes you did.

Don't think that applies anymore with the DSS and all.
Why wouldn't it?

And ok. As long as it doesn't affect his actions, Pierce can be Sherlock Holmes as much as he wants. But I maintain that he wouldn't be thinking this way if I hadn't told you everything there is to know about Impact.

[Dracorion]

And ok. As long as it doesn't affect his actions, Pierce can be Sherlock Holmes as much as he wants. But I maintain that he wouldn't be thinking this way if I hadn't told you everything there is to know about Impact.

Well we'll never know now.

And hey, I never said it wouldn't affect his actions. It's going to play a big part in Pierce realizing Impact can't be trusted.

[Geminex]

And hey, I never said it wouldn't affect his actions. It's going to play a big part in Pierce realizing Impact can't be trusted.

It won't affect his actions yet. That's good enough for me, for now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Here is an accessory for Sol-leks (Houndoom) barring approval. Makes him more bad-ass in my opinion.

Eye-Patch of Power
Description: Poor, poor Sol-Leks. Long ago, in a bad scrap against a certain Mightyena, the old dog lost and eye. He won the battle, but he is scarred forever. He presses on though, nothing gets him down, he's just to tough. His determination is terrifying, and strikes fear into his enemies. Its as though he is something unnatural, something to be avoided. This eye-patch, a badge of what he has gone through, only testifies to this, and amplifies the effect on foes.
Effect: Whenever Sol-leks lands a damaging attack upon an enemy, there is a 40% chance of that foe flinching, despite the attack. There is also a 30% chance of the targets Morale integrity falling by a small amount.

Still working for one for Buck. Any suggestions for it? Approvals, disapprovals?

[Menarker]

Well, it's certainly true to your character. ^,^

Powerful for sure. Almost as much as 3 razor fangs combined. Otherwise, I got no personal issue myself. ^^

[Astral Harmony]

I agree with Charlotte's power.

No, Rage won't be generated by attacks from another ally.

What is this...Supreme Upgrade that you speak of? Oh, I mean no, no you don't. Because I'm an asshole.

[Geminex]

I'll post in, like, 40 minutes. Can you wait that long, please, AB?

[Astral Harmony]

Eh, post whenever you like.

Well, Renny kind of in-characterically spilled the surprise, but yes, you'll be going sword & Pokemon to dual plasmathrowers with Cerulean Wildfire. I think that because this RP has a huge over abundance of boss level foes with no great number of missions in sight that I'm bringing the big fights to you so soon and exposing major plot points at much earlier missions.

Pierce's sidequest, for example, is gonna explode with a major twist.

[Dracorion]

Whoa, hey. I think I should probably know what the hell this twist is, don'tchathink? Mostly because there's a lot I haven't told you about Pierce's sidequest and it's likely to clash with your plans. Which reminds me, I gotta get around to writing that PM sometime soon.

Also, what about Pierce's question for Mika, hmmm?

[Astral Harmony]

No, you don't need to know what's going to happen. It's greater than you.

[Menarker]

Dante, I don't think you ever told us what your 3rd form was yet. ^^;
Are you trying to keep it a secret for now?

EDIT: Anyhow, Impact voted on Harriette and Rachel for Shock Trooper and Medic respectively.

I already posted my choices several posts back, no disagreement with the two currently selected. I selected Cecilia as my Enforcer btw.

Once again though, I'd suggest pairing either Wilhelmina for sniper, Mirror for Engineer (They got a dual tech) or Moon and Evangaleen. (If Moon is the engineer, someone should bring Shannon as their enforcer for a powerful Gal-Tech that costs 40 RP for both of them if they are on the field.)


Also for anyone stupid enough to try to romance Wildfire... Beware when engaging in foreplay with mechanical girls. ^,^ (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fingore)


I don't know why I can't link pictures directly to this site. They just disappear or refuse to come up properly when I try to link to the pic instead of posting directly.

[DanteFalcon]

Its nothing majorly important so I can spill it. Finally got some actual Firepower.

Porygon Z. Still working on appearance but it'll be strange, even for Matt.

[Menarker]

Very powerful offensive choice. Special Attack is equal to Alazakam. Hyper Beam will be your best offensive move due to STAB. Nasty Plot will boost your Special Attack to a large degree. Got a large movepool. And the move Conversion 2 will change your type to a type that is resistant to the last move that hit you.
Or alternatively, you can use Conversion so your type is the same as the move that hit you. Good if fighting against fire, water and that sort of thing, but crappy if you tried to use it on a dragon move. ^^;

Anyhow, it sounds like a good choice. ^^

EDIT: Set up my pokemon's movesets and items.

[Astral Harmony]

Finish choosing who you want to deploy, but hold out on the formation setup. I'll go ahead and kick off the first battle this afternoon. After you see the first enemy formation, then you can decide how to arrange your team to best employ your advantages.

I'm thinking Destroyers will end up with a RP move system. All of their attacks will cost RPs, but they'll build RPs at a faster rate. So, probably about every turn they'll have enough RPs to fire a solid attack, but if you give them additional turns to charge RPs, they can use a much more destructive move.

It's going to end up being pretty funny using that SignSeq with Mirror and Wilhelmina. After all, Wilhelmina's a Sniper, but their SignSeq suggests that they're both right there, attacking at melee range. Wilhelmina's going to have to come up with some clever ways to get down to the battlefield quickly and then back.

[Menarker]

Ok, so here are our options as follows. Since Impact already stated that Harriette and Rachel would be Shock Trooper and Medic.

Snipers:
Evangaleen Harris
Whitney Calnein
Wilhelmina Rustfield (Combos with Mirror)
Calisto Bellmond

Engineers:
Moon Travorian (Combos with Shannon)
Mirror Brisholm (Combos with Wilhelmina)
Heidi Knoman

Enforcers: (Cecilia and Misha already claimed by Renny and Pierce respectively. Impact, Charlotte and Matthias have yet to choose.)
Shannon Mordhaus (Combos with Moon)
Garus Wilderschmidt
Hector Gunlong
Aster Lloyd
Kurika Jungo

One thing that might be worth noting is that due being able to charge up to 100 Rage if you're switched for three turns in a row, choosing a pokemon trainer is a good way to stall for time, although don't let that stop you from choosing Aster or Kurika if you think that's a better option for your character. (Kurika can instantly KO a single target the turn she comes out, barring death immunity, since her 100% OHKO move only costs 50 RP which is the exact amount that everyone starts with.)

Arguments for Sniper:
Since we already got Rachel, we probably don't need Evangaleen for electric attacks, since Renny, Pierce and Charlotte has one too. Calisto honestly seems sub-par to me at this point. So snipers are really up to Wilhelmina and Whitney, either which I support.
Wilhelmina: got a cheap strong gal-tech (50 by herself and 25 with Mirror) and absurdly high power Signature Move that allows her to attack with super high power twice per turn. Not a lot of utility, but when it comes to clearing the field, she is probably the one to go to.
Whitney: Multiple pokemons to help attack and build rage with, pokeshift which combos powerfully with her sniper form, ability to hit targets without worry about weather conditions (we'd probably need Rainy Day to deal with Wildfire safely)... and a plot point with Muon if that really matters (easy to recruit her without any conflict)

Argument for Engineers:
Only 3 choices and only 2 seem useful. (Sorry Heidi) Her stuff is individually powerful, but the other two have better options.
Moon: Several water pokemon to attack with and gain rage along with the water evolith (Rainy Day useful against Wildfire presumably even if Wildfire may not actually be a fire type). Special attacks or special defence bonus. His evoliths won't conflict with Whitney's pokemon unlike Mirror (whose fire evolith's sunny day will cause morale issues) With Rainy Day present, it also combos with Rachel's Thunder attacks. Has a powerful Gal-Tech with Shannon for 100% flinching on 3 foes and harsh dark type damage. If she is on the field at the time, both of them can use it as early as the first turn. ^^
Mirror: VERY cheap Gal-tech with Wilhelmina. (25 points for both if both are on the field) that deals heavy steel damage on 2 foes each time. Dark type evolith has Punishment which deals super damage against those who abuse buff skills. Attack and Defence bonus. (AWESOME with Mollesk who gains 4 stages to the respective stat. Making him a defensive and offensive power house.)

Keep in mind though, that if you guys intend to use Mirror and Wilhelmina's Gal-Tech a lot, Wilhelmina will not get enough rage for her uber Sign Tech. It DOES cost 100 RP.


EDIT: AB! Is there any restriction on how Snipers or Engineer's use their pokemons if they have any, or can they just throw it out on the field while doing their sniping job? Your formation chart doesn't show a section for their pokemons.

[Dracorion]

Pierce's pokemon:

Tyranitar (Male)
Ability: Sand Stream
Earthquake/Crunch
Stone Edge/Focus Blast
Protect/Roar
Item: Terra Hammer

Aria Nagarai (Female)
Ability: Drizzle
Draco Meteor/Thunder
Thunder Wave/Dragon Pulse
Extreme Speed/Ice Beam
Item: White Herb

Metagross (Genderless)
Ability: Clear Body
Meteor Mash/Zen Headbutt
Giga Impact/Iron Defense
Item: Metronome

Blaziken (Male)
Ability: Blaze
Flare Blitz/Overheat
Sky Uppercut/Reversal
Item: Expert Belt

Kingdra (Female)
Ability: Sniper
Draco Meteor/Hydro Pump
Blizzard/Dragon Pulse
Item: White Herb

Skarmory (Female)
Ability: Keen Eye
Steel Wing/Night Slash
Drill Peck/Roost
Item: Metronome

Held items: Full Restore, Full Restore, Max Revive.

[Menarker]

I guess you're saving your second custom item for when you get Enmakki? No wait, you can only equip them on your leader pokemons, and you already designated Tyrannitar and Arai as your leaders...

Or you just don't want to use it for this mission?

[Dracorion]

My other custom item is Aria' Lightning Gun and I'm not pulling it out yet.

For the sake of a joke.

[Menarker]

I see.

Oh, and I forgot to choose my 3 items. 1 Max Revive, 1 Full Restore and 1 Rage Rocket! ^^

EDIT: And after careful consideration, I propose that our sniper be Wilhelmina and the engineer be Mirror. In terms of dealing with Wildfire, we already got Aria's Drizzle, one of my pokemon with Rain Dance, Matthias Castform, and Rachel's Sharpedo form among any other means of casting it. While being able to win against Wildfire is cruical, the ability to punch damage in hard and fast will be cruical. The Dusk evolith and Attack boosting device will do that for the party while Wilhelmina builds up rage until she can make shit hit the fan. When dealing with lesser foes, repeated use of Wilhelmina and Mirror's Gal-Tech will knock out or really wound several targets, making the foe's morale gauge plummet.

As for your enforcers, I don't care. If Moon isn't there, then Shannon can't use her Gal-Tech that effectively. So choose whomever you think is best.

[Dracorion]

Hey man, I don't think Cerulean Wildfire is even a fire-type. I mean, remember Lexhur's Absorbers? Those didn't have any type-weaknesses either.

My guess, Cerulean Wildfire will just be a type-less mechanical enemy that uses a variety of attacks (including fire, obviously). We should still bring water, of course. And electric.

Remember those two Overload and Short conditions that AB told us about? Maybe Wildfire is vulnerable to them. Or maybe not. Fuckin' bosses, after all.

[Menarker]

Hey man, I don't think Cerulean Wildfire is even a fire-type. I mean, remember Lexhur's Absorbers? Those didn't have any type-weaknesses either.

My guess, Cerulean Wildfire will just be a type-less mechanical enemy that uses a variety of attacks (including fire, obviously). We should still bring water, of course. And electric.

Remember those two Overload and Short conditions that AB told us about? Maybe Wildfire is vulnerable to them. Or maybe not. Fuckin' bosses, after all.

I already mentioned above about how Wildfire is likely not a fire type (where I was talking about Moon). But if its signature weapons are fire moves, than Rainy Day will cut its power down by half while making things like Overload by Thunder (Rachel and other electric pokemons) and Shortage (pumped up water moves) more likely to occur. I selected Rainy Day because it would effect the entire field and thus protect everyone from "her".

All the more reason why NOT to select Moon, if Wildfire isn't technically a fire type.

EDIT: I was just rereading my sidequest for a bit and I realized something... During your fight with Lexhur... not all the land mines were destroyed... four were still left active (unless it was dealt with outside of combat...)

*Dominic, Maria and Snorlax strolling along their backyard for a picnic when suddenly a landmine combust under Snorlax's massive girth, blowing the tub of lard all over...* :crying:

EDIT: Don't forget to update/edit your last RP post, Gem.

[Astral Harmony]

Possible responses to Snorlax blowing up...

Response 1:

Dominic: "I guess we're grillin' tonight."

Response 2:

Dominic: "As horrific as that was, I'm just surprised that there wasn't more fat."
Snorlax: "Snor Snor?"
Dominic: "Snorlax? Wait, if you're our Snorlax then who was-"
Maria: "Oh my god, my lover!"
Dominic: "Your what, now?"
Maria: "Nothing, darling."

-----

Anywho, You can freely designate which Pokemon the Sniper uses to snipe the enemy with and the attack that Pokemon uses. It has to be a long-range attack. Their Pokemon isn't going to travel all the way there when the Sniper is on the fortieth floor of some building.

[Menarker]

Not even if the pokemon can fly or has the move teleport in their movelist? (I doubt that latter one will ever happen, but you never know) Otherwise, sounds good. So Whitney effectively get two sniping attacks already due to her pokemons?

God, between the Tresserhorn's Snorlax, the much mentioned by never seen Snorlax Suit, and the Snorlax Pokebrid that is hinted for Pierce's sidequest, we got the chance to do the Triple Truffle Shuffle... (If they ever meet)

Anyhow, we're waiting for...

Renny: All ready.
Pierce: All ready presumably.
Geminex: Edit his post. Choose an enforcer and the 6 items to take with him. Select Engineer and Sniper. (I already listed several good choices in my view.)
Charlotte: Make a post if needed. Choose an Enforcer, items, new pokemon moveset, and a new 6th pokemon (I mean I presume she already got a new one she gave Latios away)
Matthias: Choose an Enforcer.

[Astral Harmony]

And of course, we're all waiting on me to plop about seven more buxom maidens into the storyline during a three-page interval.

EDIT: And there you go. Forgive any grammatical abortions as I really can't make time to proofread it. I've got other shit to put up with tonight.

Incidentally, I'm done with Fire Watch and my duty days have returned. I'll be dealing with one such duty day tomorrow. Well, that should give you plenty of time to finish up whatever you need to do, and besides, Soldiers of Light is out now and we're all there, too.

You've all got 50/100 RPs, the MIV's at 100%, there's no Fog of War yet, and you have initiative.

[Dracorion]

In retrospect, Pierce shouldn't be flying at all.

He's going to drop down smack dab in the middle of the square and face off both the Prideguard and the Harbingers at the same time.

No, seriously. He's going to. How to deal with that is AB's problem.

[Geminex]

Pretty awesome post, that. I liked Rayleen's brutality. I think Impact is going to learn that even inefficient destruction can serve a purpose.

What shit've you got to put up with? "I don't want to do this why do I have to do this"-shit or "Oh no, I have 3 more hours of porn to watch!" kind of shit?

[Dracorion]

Hey, Pierce is going to enjoy it damn well enough. He's just not going to kill anyone.

EDIT: By the way, if I'm reading AB's formation right, Medics and Engineers only have space for one pokemon.

[Geminex]

Ah, right. I'll get right on that. Thanks, I'm tired.

Oh, and I might be out tomorrow, to return in the evening. The as-yet-unedited post will be edited soon, but probably not before the day after tomorrow. And Bard, despite AB's duty day, you get no Omake from me. I'm meeting a friend in the city, I will have no time for this silly forum. And besides, after that flag, I'm really tempted to utterlyscrew the Omake over, just to punish you for its horribleness.
IT WAS HORRIBLE.
HOOOOOOORRIBLE.

Edit:
Also, horrible.

[Menarker]

Oh wow, I didn't expect that Renny would have to correct or counter Impact so soon.

I'll write a post shortly but...

Impact saying for Moon to use Lanturn's Signal Beam to buff and then it can one hit KO fire types?

Let's see where that went wrong...

It's a lower power move
No STAB
It's a freaking BUG type move (resisted by fire)
Only 5% chance of confusion (due to AB's house rule of status itself being resisted if the attack would be resisted)
No buffing at all (unless you meant Moon's special stat boost device which won't do much for that move's sake)

And I/Renny wouldn't be happy to hear about giving them Sunny Day either.

[Dracorion]

Bah. I've been getting lazy. I really need to start reviewing strategies again.

I support what Menarker said. Also, no Sunny Day. They may panic under fire but they're not exactly weak to it. The reward simply doesn't overshadow the risk, the risk being buffing their Fire pokemon. After we're sure they've run out of Fire-types, we can go on ahead and Sunny Day if you want.

[Geminex]

Ok,

a) Sorry about signal beam. I was somehow under the impression that it was Tail Glow (which would have raised its special attack by 2 stages, making its Hydro pump a killer move). Lemme just edit that. Or you know what? Have Renny correct Impact. He made the same mistake I made, he thought the move did something else. I should have stayed with Fathom just using Hydro Pump.

b) why not sunny day? We have a good selection of forces, we can prevent them from getting any super-effective hits against us. Besides, if Renny and Rachel do their jobs, enemy fire types'll be confused/paralyzed/asleep. I wanna kill enemy morale, to begin with, at least. And I think we can do that by using Sunny Day early, to buff our fire. If we get tired of Sunny day, we can just send out a pokemon with a different weather-changing effect, it's not too hard.

[Dracorion]

Except, y'know, we can't confuse/paralyze/sleep all of them, and there's no guarantee sleep will hit.

[Menarker]

Their entire pokemon force use Sunny Day. It's likely THOSE ones are used to fire.

I'll have Renny "correct" Impact with his "pokemon experience".

Renny's focus would still be agreeable on attacking the humans first, but with Rain Dance acting as a total buffer on the fire pokemons.

Also, AB insisted that we get a pokemon Formation going so we know who is where...

[Geminex]

So? What's the worst they can do? I'm going to assume that at least two are incapacitated, that's realistic, I think. So then we have two other enemies, using moves that've had their power boosted, but that're either ineffective or normally effective against us (I assume that Renny won't be using Shaymin). In return we get our fire moves boosted as well, and get another strong fire attacker (Matt, as Castform).

Edit: Screw the formation, I'm tired. Assume that Impact delegated that to Pierce, since Renny gets to correct him.

And I want to use fire, for the morale damage. We did want to focus on morale damage, yes? I want to use Sunny day, to improve our fire moves. Since the enemy's pokemon will most likely be rendered ineffective by virture of being disrupted, or by our choice in pokemon, I didn't think there were all that many downsides to using Sunny day. It'll benefit us a lot more than it benefits them. If we agree on that (and considering the effectiveness that our fire moves will have, plus the fact that we have a lot more of them, I think we should), then, unless you can come up with a better move for Matt to use, I think Sunny Day should stay.

They may panic under fire but they're not exactly weak to it
And besides, who said fire wasn't super-effective against their humans? Harliette said they didn't stand up to it well. That sounds like extra damage to me.

[Menarker]

Rain Dance will keep the fire pokemons practically useless (also demoralizing to them). Matt would also turn into a powerful water type as well (only weather that is useless to him for transforming is sandstorm)

We can target the humans while Rain Dance is going on with other attacks like Thunder (Rachel) and such. Plus, if you keep Renny on the very left or right side, he can put Swampert right beside Togekiss and spam Earthquake. ^^

Also, Charizard is quad weak to Rock. Use Harriette for that. ^^


Do the enemy trainers only have their 2 pokemons? Or do they have more to sub in?

[Dracorion]

Our Fire-type moves wouldn't be super-effective either. Just, y'know, the enemies might panic. Or rather, they would, if their trainer buddies weren't also getting a boost.

And besides, who said fire wasn't super-effective against their humans? Harliette said they didn't stand up to it well. That sounds like extra damage to me.

Because they're Slayers. You're a Slayer. You know they don't get weaknesses, only resistances depending on the type of armor they're wearing. I mean, NPC Slayers are a little different, sure, but looking at our NPC Slayers they don't get weaknesses either.

[Geminex]

See my edits Though I'll respond to Menarker:

Rain Dance will keep the fire pokemons practically useless (also demoralizing to them).
I wouldn't call it "practically useless". Demoralizing, yes. But they could still use non-fire moves. Also, rain dance would keep our fire pokemon practically useless. And since the enemies, at the very least, take extra morale damage from fire (and I think extra "real" damage as well), and we don't have much poison at our disposal, we'd be lowering the rate at which we can kill their slayers, medics and engies.

Of course we could use Rain Dance to subdue the pokemon, while hitting the trainers...
But it'd mean sacrificing offensive potential for defensive bonuses, and I think offense would serve better right now.

Look, do what you want, ok? I'm tired, I've got to go. Obey Impact, or don't, whatever you want. But despite falling asleep at the keyboard, I think I kinda-sorta know what I'm doing. And I think our Firestorm would serve better than rain-dance.

[Dracorion]

You should see my edits as well.

I suggest we use Rain Dance and take out their Slayers (the only non-fire move the trainers have is Solar Beam, and Infernape's Close Combat), then we replace it with Sunny Day and win forever.

Alternatively, we use Rain Dance and take out their fire pokemon, then replace with Sunny Day.

[Menarker]

Technically, they got Sky Uppercut and Brave Bird too (Fighting and Flying)

How about this?

Charizard gets practically OHKO from Harriette's Rock bullet due to Quad damage.
Togekiss use Air Slash on Blaziken for 100% flinch (60% chance of flinch due to Serene Grace which is doubled by AB's house rule due to super effectiveness against fighting type)
Shaymin does Air Slash as well on Infernape for 100% flinch for same reason.
We get one or two others to fuck up the Thysonlion with water damage, ground, rock or disable it.

Pokemons are either knocked out or locked down by flinching. We can focus on the soldiers and everyone else.

We can continue to use Sunny Day. (This assuming the trainers got no other pokemons)

[Dracorion]

I doubt one 4x damage attack can OHKO anything. It'd take at least two.

[Menarker]

Harriette did before with most of the quad weak foes during Renny's sidequest. Her attacks are stronger than most pokemon attacks (slayers get 130 power)

Although if we used Rain Dance, Rachel could send out her steel types, including Empoleon.

[Dracorion]

Yeah, except right now we're not in the middle of a huge-ass battle that would go on forever if we didn't take measures to speed things up, like making enemies easier to kill or throwing in a Super Saiyan to OHKO a boss.

[Menarker]

[HPG Footsoldier A] [HPG Engineer A] [HPG Trainer A-1] [HPG Trainer A-2][HPG Footsoldier B] [HPG Footsoldier C] [HPG Medic A] [HPG Trainer B-1] [HPG Trainer B-2] [HPG Footsoldier D]



Proposed plan.

Moon: Special Attack Device booster! +2 stage boost to Special Attack
One of Moon's Pokemons: Hydro Pump Thpholsion. Boosted Special Attack. STAB Super Effective.

Rachel: Thunder a HPG target. Boosted Special Attack. STAB
Empoleon: Hydro Pump Typholision. Boosted Special Attack. STAB Super Effective.

Renny
Togekiss: Air Slash Blaziken. 100% Flinch. Boosted Special Attack STAB Super Effective.
Shaymin: Air Slash Infernape. 100% Flinch. Boosted Special Attack STAB Super Effective.

Harriette: Quad effective Damage Charizard with Rock bullet.
Nidoqueen: Sludge Bomb a HPG for Boosted Special Attack damage that also decreases enemy human morale like fire does. STAB (Attacking Soldier C?)
Blissey: Put an HPG that isn't going to be attacked yet to sleep. (Soldier D?)

Pierce:
Kingdra: Hyrdo Pump Charizard if you think it'll survive. Boost. (You can do something else if you think Charizard won't survive a 130 base Quad damage attack) STAB Super Effective.

Matthias: Sunny Day. Boost Fire types.

Pierce:
Blaziken. Fire attack a HPG target. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Medic?)

Impact: Fire Attack. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB. (Attacking Soldier C?)

Charlotte:
Buck: FIRE. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Soldier A?)
Sol-lek: FIRE. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Soldier A?)

Wilhelmina: Fire bullet. Boosted by Sunny Day. (Attacking Medic?)


What you think? We'd dealt with the fire pokemons we see, and still have Sunny Day and having dealt some pretty damn severe damage. If the soldiers go down in two hits like Impact's plan seem to have been, then the way I set it, we only have to deal with one sleeping soldier and the engineer if things go well.



Factor to consider: We got Moon here. Doesn't someone have Shannon as their enforcer? We could flinch 3 foes with 100% chance and do heavy dark damage right now for 40 RP for both of them. (God, I wonder if Charlotte chose Shannon for shit and giggles)

AB: Do the trainers only have those 2 pokemons each or do they have more in reserve? I'd think we would be able to see their pokeballs if they were on a belt or so...

EDIT: Drac, Gem said you're in charge of dealing with formations in one of the posts above. Put Renny between Harriette and someone else, so that Renny gains equal rage when Harriette and that other person (or their pokemons) gets hurt. (Harriette in particular gets double rage and has 3 targets, hence why I requested her specifically).

[Dracorion]

Or, y'know, I could not put you next to Harliette. Just because.

By the way, remember the part where I said I think Medics and Engineers can only have one combatant? I do too.

Hey AB, how many combatants can Medics and Engineers have on the field? I assume Engineers can still make stuff if they're not on the field and medics can still heal, but they can't attack.

EDIT: Formation

[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Sol-Leks] [Buck] [Empoleon] [Nidoqueen] [Harliette] [Blissey] [Togekiss] [Shaymin] [Kingdra] [Blaziken] [Lanturn] [Impact] [Evolith/Device Space 2]

[Menarker]

If you wanted to be spiteful and backstab the group's ability for a better chance for success, I suppose you could.

I'm just suggesting where in the formation Renny would make the best contribution. And being beside Harriette is one of the few beneficial places because it's where he can get more rage just from her or her pokemons getting attacked. And aside from Divide and Focus, his rage moves support the party, so there is little reason why not. No one else currently benefits from standing nearby anyone at the moment from what I know. The other person that Renny should stand beside is someone who stands the most chance of being attacked and receiving damage, especially if its a trainer. Don't put him beside the sniper or on the very edge of the formation.

EDIT: That formation looks good at first glance. *Thumbs up*
Hehe, 3 pokemons with Serene Grace all in a row. ^^ (Although Blissey doesn't have a move that takes advantage of it. A shame. Headbutt would have been a good idea.)

[Dracorion]

Oh, relax you big baby.

EDIT: By the way, Pierce is going to tell Wilhelmina to try and spot any enemy snipers and take a shot at 'em. If she can't find any, he'll tell her to go ahead with Renny's plan.

In case you haven't noticed, huge flaw in your plan because Rachel can't attack while she has Empoleon on the field. So pick which one you want most.

[Menarker]

Really? Because she only has one pokemon out. I figured if she didn't have two pokemons out like the other trainers did, she could join in.

AB: If a pokebrid trainer like Rachel has a single pokemon out, could they attack with that pokemon too since it's only two attacks still (as opposed to two pokemons attacking.) I can't seem to recall a specific rule restricting that. Or has the rules changed for Medics since the new system and she can only use herself or one pokemon at a time?

Mind you, if I had to choose, I'd go with Empoleon because of Super Effective damage and knocking out a fire pokemon while attempting to keep Rachel safe (she's our medic after all)

[Dracorion]

How is a Pokemon and a Pokebrid attacking any different from two Pokemon?

I'm pretty sure if AB intended for Medics and Engineers to be able to use two pokemon or a pokemon and themselves, he would've given them two slots.

[Menarker]

Which would then make me confused a little as to why Moon can do his Device making action and have his pokemon attack too. 2 moves still. (Although in the engineer's case, the second pokemon would technically be the device or the evolith, thus he has 3 slots)

Anyhow, getting ready to leave for work. I already posted my questions for AB to answer and I already said that if I had to choose, that Empoleon would make his action. Formation is decided thanks to Drac, did my post correcting Impact and proposing a somewhat different course of action (while still keeping to the sunny day offensive plan)... so I think the situation is contained at this point.

[Dracorion]

I'd assume because it's like a Medic using a healing item, except the Engineer's costs RP.

EDIT: And now nobody will ever dare to utter the phrase "when Tyranitars fly".

By the way Menarker, you can assume that Pierce has already gone berry-gathering and given Renny and bunch.

And is there any particular reason Charlotte and Pierce aren't using Trainer Attack? Not like it costs RP or anything.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think that if two pokemon are out, then we can't use personal attacks. Not sure though.

And I have and idea for a legendary to be used by Charlotte, and it is in the making. I'm thinking a Steel/Dark type, but I'm open to suggestions.

[DanteFalcon]

Blech lackluster post. Been having nasty writer's block most of the day so I threw that out.

[Menarker]

By the way Menarker, you can assume that Pierce has already gone berry-gathering and given Renny and bunch.


If I knew that Pierce actually did do that, then Renny would have suggested to Pierce that he help make a new batch of wine, especially since Chizuru didn't get a chance to try it. (Shizuka took the last batch to the ruins for the other Kimonos but Chizuru got switched to PATCA while Shizuka went back).

And as for Bard's Steel/Dark typing, it's not bad, but keep in mind that typing has quad weakness to fighting moves as well as standard weakness to fire and ground. It has 2 immunities, 2 quad resists and 6 other resistances.
You can experiment with this. (Just fill out the data for one pokemon if you want to know the weakness and resist of a typing you want to experiement with)
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/typeanalysis.php

[Dracorion]

If I knew that Pierce actually did do that, then Renny would have suggested to Pierce that he help make a new batch of wine, especially since Chizuru didn't get a chance to try it. (Shizuka took the last batch to the ruins for the other Kimonos but Chizuru got switched to PATCA while Shizuka went back).

Okay, maybe Pierce hasn't given Renny the berries yet or something.

EDIT: Hey AB, Trainers can use Trainer Attack whenever they want, right? Regardless of how many pokemon they have on the field?

[Menarker]

AB: You said that we start all battles with 50 RP. Does that mean that any battles we finish with more than 50 RP is RP that is wasted? (Unless a Slayer has the Rage Bank to invest the extra RP they might have). Or can we start with more than 50 rage if we had more from the end of the prior battle, but never less than 50?

Well, the only person who needs to post now (and edit his previous post-holder post) is Geminex. Luckily for him, I decided to keep very much to his original tactic, with Sunny Day and all.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm pretty sure that Germ did edit his previous post, maybe wrong, but pretty sure.

And I'm going to flip a coin sometime in the day. This will decide on whether I pick Steel/dark or steel/psychic.

Also, this discussion is moving very slowly. SOMEONE BITCH AT SOMEONE ELSE RIGHT NOW OR I'LL MAKE SOMETHING OVERPOWERED I SWEAR!

[Dracorion]

BARD YOUR NEW ITEM IS OVERPOWERED NERF IT WARRRGHBLARGLE

[Menarker]

Nope. It's no different from the time it was posted. (Impact was going to train Renny in Slayer Style Survival Training. Include some montages and the like. ^,^ )

Anyhow, if you want to be original, I'd suggest Steel/Dark. Because Steel/Psychic is same as Metagross.

This discussion thread also already has too many posts, hence why we're just waiting for AB to come back and make Thread number 24. ^^

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah the coin said Dark/Steel, so thats what I'm going with. It all evens out really, it gains a 4x weakness to fighting, but gets 4x immunity to ghost. Just hope that we come across more ghost types.

BARD YOUR NEW ITEM IS OVERPOWERED NERF IT WARRRGHBLARGLE

GTFO RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah I'm just waiting for this thread to end

[Dracorion]

Oh. Oh God, is this it? Is this the future? A future where we don't spend six pages bitching back and forth at each other over the silliest little thing?

Because that's not a future I want to live in!

[Geminex]

Did you consider Steel/Ice?
Though that'd have two quadruple weaknesses...

Anyway, I'll post in the mission thread, with Impact aknowleging most of the modifications to his orders, though Menarker, I agree with Drac, I think Medics and Engies only get one pokemon. Moon could construct as well as attack because constructing's a free action. Maybe you should edit your post? Cause I originally told them both to use two pokemon, then edited that to one.

[Menarker]

Gem, I think you meant to say that Medics and Engies only get one attack because Rachel only has one pokemon out aside from herself. But yeah, I edited out the part with him suggesting Rachel doing anything herself.


ALSO! Since Bard requested insane discussion and argument... For fun and maybe for the distant future!

I came up with a Signature Move for when Renny gets enough levels in a class like Pokebrid, Slayer or Demon (Dunno which). Cropped out the appropriate part of the famous animation to show the relevant part...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a106/Menarker/kabe3.gif

Valiant Rush
Description: Renny goes into a passionate frenzy when his allies and friends are in danger and personally enters the fray, inflicting damage on any targets of his choice with multiple blows that foes find difficult to shrug off.
Cost: 20 RP per hit. For every ally in Renny's team below 33% hitpoints and thus "in the red" (or for every trainer down to 2 or less pokemons), reduce the cost by 20. For each of Renny's pokemons knocked out, reduce the cost by 10. It's possible for the technique to be free if the reduced cost is more than the cost he pays for.
Effect: For every payment of 20 rage, Renny does a unmissing critical hit that bypasses Protect and Endure using any element that he is capable of wielding to a target of choice. Thus he can choose to focus all the hits on one target or divide the hits among any number of foes. The average power of each blow is around 80 after taking the doubled power due to crit in account, but not including STAB or super effectiveness. This move can only be used once every three turns regardless of how much rage he used or how many or few hits he done.

From Bulbapedia:
When a move scores a critical hit, damage is calculated based on either the modified or unmodified attack and defense stats, whichever is more advantageous to the attacker. For example, an attacker who has used Swords Dance and then makes a critical hit will get the benefit of the increased Attack, while one affected by Charm will use its normal Attack score. Another example would be if a team had Light Screen or Reflect on it and the attacker scored a critical on the team with the certain wall; the defense added by the wall would then be ignored, and the attacker would do double damage.

Discuss! ^,^ (The result might please Bard.)

[Dracorion]

Nope. Too much reduction. It's gotta cost RP. And three turns is too short.

[Menarker]

It makes thematic sense the way I put the cost. For each person knocked out or really in danger, 1 free hit "dedicated to protecting said person" is available. Three turns being too short I can understand and perhaps make longer. Probably include something like Renny cannot act for a turn or two after using the technique. (Fatigue)

[Dracorion]

Well of course it makes thematic sense! Everything makes thematic sense!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Even Charlote's compulsive need to preserve her foe's corpse in some way? Whether it be through photograph or scooping their blood in a dustpan?

[Geminex]

I imagine it's an OCD.

And in regards to Renny's technique...
Would the attacks come from Renny? Or would his pokemon be using them? I'm asking because Renny probably couldn't have STAB.

[Menarker]

In regards to Gem's question about Renny's technique.
Yes, the attacks come directly from Renny. He attacks with kicks, punches, blows or whatever weapons he have handy such as Slayer weapons.
The reason why I mention STAB is because I mentioned that the Signature Technique might come from hitting level 4 as a Slayer and being able to use Armor STAB bonus... or as a Sync Tech as a Pokebrid at level 3 where he uses his chosen pokemon's typing for STAB... a Signature Technique as a half demon which benefits have yet to be revealed and could very well mean anything... or a mix of things, like Renny becoming a pokebrid AND a level 4 slayer, so he uses the Slayer's Signature Technique but uses any offensive element that pokemon could use and get STAB from the pokemon typing...

Hell, imagine if Renny was to wear something like a Slayer's Steel Armor while being a Steel pokebrid (assuming level 4 slayer)? He'd get STAB bonus twice for using a Steel move!

Long story short. It's possible for STAB to be achieved by this proposed Signature Technique (although not as he is now obviously)

[Geminex]

Allright...

In that case, I'd actually be ok with it the way Menarker proposed it... The only thing that I feel a bit iffy about is the "-10 RPs for each of Renny's unconscious pokemon"...

And, for that matter, that he can hit with every type. When I read "80 damage", that disarmed me a bit, but I suddenly realize, he'll almost always either be hitting with double or even quadruple damage.
100 damage per attack (already including the critical), but typeless damage, no weakness, no resistance, no STAB, is what I'd recommend.

[Bard The 5th LW]

All is now right with the world of Pokemon Umbral...

[Geminex]

Do you know what's especially right? The fact that Renny has a technique whereby he benefits from his allies' injuries.

I only just realized it, but if we changed it to "feeds off his allies' pain" instead of "heroically comes to their rescue", the attack would still make complete thematic sense!
Only Charlotte would have it...

Hey, Bard. You have to do that. Get exact the same technique, with the change I mentioned above. It'd be hilairous.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I have actually been considering making Charlotte using the Breeder class rather than Battle Master/Mistress/whatever. Only, change the name and details of it to pretty much be centered around abuse and cruelty rather than love and understanding. Maybe give Charlotte a fire or poison type whip.

[Menarker]

Allright...

In that case, I'd actually be ok with it the way Menarker proposed it... The only thing that I feel a bit iffy about is the "-10 RPs for each of Renny's unconscious pokemon"...

And, for that matter, that he can hit with every type. When I read "80 damage", that disarmed me a bit, but I suddenly realize, he'll almost always either be hitting with double or even quadruple damage.
100 damage per attack (already including the critical), but typeless damage, no weakness, no resistance, no STAB, is what I'd recommend.

For Renny's pokemon, they are his best friends aside from the humans. Naturally he's going to be pissed off when someone beat down on them. But 20 points for each is pretty high up. Hence 10. 2 pokemons down get a free hit in a way. 3 free hits if all his pokemons are down. (Also note I put it that they have to be knocked out, not weaken like the other characters.)

Also, Renny doesn't have the ability to hit with every type normally. If he's a slayer, he's limited to the type of his weapons although has more options for STAB (but that should be a reward if Renny does go for 4 levels of slayer). If he's a pokebrid, sure he has more attack types, but he also has less STAB options and he needs to spend 60 RP to pokeshift, 40 ...

Guess I was mistaken about Sync-Teching with this move. Renny wouldn't have a single RP to spend and would have to rely on almost all his friends to knocked out to do anything.

I'd still think that Renny should be allowed to use type. Many of the tougher foes like pokebrids already have ways to eliminate weaknesses anyhow. Otherwise, 120 power typeless which is still less than what STAB would give, especially for Slayers.

Anyhow, just brainstorming, since I don't know what the future holds for new updates regarding super classes and all that. ^^


As for Charlotte comment... it's plausible, since the notion of the breeder is to bring out the very best in their pokemons. Renny does so with love, but nothing really stop someone from doing it with fear, although Renny would obviously contest that.

EDIT: I might end up sticking with 120 typeless just because it'll be easier on AB, instead of having to deal with various mathathics of STAB, various weakness points if Renny attack foes of multiple different types and so on.

[Geminex]

I'd still think that Renny should be allowed to use type. Many of the tougher foes like pokebrids already have ways to eliminate weaknesses anyhow. Otherwise, 120 power typeless which is still less than what STAB would give, especially for Slayers.
Deal. 120 typless, the rest remains as it is. I'm fine with that. Is everyone else?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Sure, all up to AB in the end though.

[Menarker]

Valiant Rush
Description: Renny goes into a passionate frenzy when his allies and friends are in danger and personally enters the fray, inflicting damage on any targets of his choice with multiple blows that foes find difficult to shrug off.
Cost: 20 RP per hit. For every ally in Renny's team below 33% hitpoints and thus "in the red" or knocked out (or for every trainer down to 2 or less pokemons including 0), reduce the cost by 20. For each of Renny's pokemons knocked out, reduce the cost by 10. It's possible for the technique to be free if the reduced cost is more than the cost he pays for.
Effect: For every payment of 20 rage, Renny does a unmissing critical hit that bypasses Protect and Endure using typeless element (Able to hit any target equally regardless of type) to a target of choice. Thus he can choose to focus each individual hit on one target or divide the hits among any number of foes. The power of each blow is around 120 power after taking the doubled power due to crit in account. This move can only be used once every three turns regardless of how much rage he used or how many or few hits he done.


Is this the final copy you had in mind or did I miss something? Just to be sure since Drac was demanding some other nerfs such as increased wait time.

EDIT: Gem, get your post done before AB goes ahead without you!