Eclipse Phase: Frosted Glass Discussion [Archive]

PhoenixFlame

05-28-2010, 08:48 PM

By the way, how the hell does reproduction work in Eclipse Phase?

Provided you can get around sterlility, which isn't hard, you could breed within type, since their DNA matches up properly. Bear in mind that without accellerated growth, this would take relatively forever (18 years instead of 1.5, and there's only been 10 since the fall to begin with), and anything you had by then would probably be obsolete. Also you'd probably have to pull the ego and put it in a new body since the growing body can't accept even the most basic implants necessary for being a functioning person nowdays. You could force-grow the morph and ALET time dialate the Ego but look what happened to the Lost.

Basically, you could, but it's more trouble than it's worth.

Nothing creepy about Ellen, just that she's into a lot of things and seems deceptively easy. So okay, a few things are creepy.

Dracorion

05-28-2010, 09:05 PM

Keyword being "deceptively".

Which reminds me, I forgot to put in my sheet that Ellen gets a +20 to Perception or Kinesics tests. Specifically:

... The character can also gain a general sense of the emotions and health of any character within 5 meters (+20 to Perception or
Kinesics Tests to do so).

If reproducing is that much of a bother, does that mean no one does it and transhumanity is effectively screwed if the TITANs decide to come back and finish the job because of their small numbers?

PhoenixFlame

05-28-2010, 09:07 PM

If reproducing is that much of a bother, does that mean no one does it and transhumanity is effectively screwed if the TITANs decide to come back and finish the job because of their small numbers?

Yes. In fact, it'd take a lot less than the TITANs to finish the job.

That is one of the primary reasons for Firewall, after all.

Dracorion

05-28-2010, 09:12 PM

Yep. Ellen needs herself a Gate.

What did Firewall offer her to get her to join up, anyway? Or were they just dicks about it?

Overcast

05-28-2010, 09:12 PM

Eventually breeding will be obsolete when all people are converted to alpha forks of one absurdly willful psi-hacker named Jim.

But I figure birthing a child only seems so difficult now since it no longer really ever happens on accident anymore.

Aerozord

05-28-2010, 09:14 PM

there are alternatives though, forking and AGIs can solve the issue of new egos, and ultimately thats all that matters

PhoenixFlame

05-28-2010, 09:14 PM

What did Firewall offer her to get her to join up, anyway? Or were they just dicks about it?

The opportunity to help save humanity from certain destruction?

I mean, if you don't want to, you can refuse, but then you wouldn't be in this campaign anyway. That is one of the options in the interest thread, anyway.

On the other topic: Forking and AGIs, but that brings no new egos (merely copies of existing ones) or human egos (merely machines) into the fold. Is that safe? Is it okay? Will it come back to haunt us fifty years down the road? Two hundred?

It's one of the questions of transhumanism, a lot like "Do I die when I farcast?"

Krylo

05-28-2010, 09:18 PM

"Do I die when I farcast?"

Yes, and then are reborn from the ashes in a glorious flame of digital resurrection!

Aerozord

05-28-2010, 09:19 PM

honestly farcasting reminded me of transporters in star trek, by most definitions it does kill you. But if you dont believe in a "soul" its a mute issue I think.

But using forking and AGIs, from standpoint of my character is atleast a perfectly viable alternative

Overcast

05-28-2010, 09:26 PM

Trying not to wax on about the faction that I was lucky enough to get approved but that last question is one of the deciding philosophies that drove the Immortals into existence. Perfect biological immortality is a ludicrous goal to have, but it is a whole lot better than crying yourself insane about if you aren't real.

PhoenixFlame

05-28-2010, 09:33 PM

Dracorion

05-28-2010, 09:38 PM

The opportunity to help save humanity from certain destruction?

I mean, if you don't want to, you can refuse, but then you wouldn't be in this campaign anyway. That is one of the options in the interest thread, anyway.

Well that sucks. It doesn't further Ellen's goals at all!

Still, I guess maybe she's trying to work her way up Firewall. Maybe convince the higher-ups that she'd be better at anything that isn't a sentinel. Because seriously, being a sentinel is crap.

krogothwolf

05-28-2010, 09:39 PM

It's interesting, I like the fact that even though near-immortality has been achieved there are still people desiring perfect immortality.\

Drac: Protecting yourself from extinction doesn't further your goals?

Dracorion

05-28-2010, 09:42 PM

Not directly! Or immediately!

Aerozord

05-28-2010, 09:44 PM

Or if you do believe in a soul, and that it is transferred by means outside our understanding.

I like the idea of Immortals because they have a practical answer to an honest question. Some more morphological freedom'y people might call them bioconservative, but they're not anti-technology, so they're not really radical biocons.

I am sure there is a big view on this kind of thing. Personally I'd view it as hedging your bets. Maybe you are just dead forever, but thats something you cant avoid. If you really are immortal using this method, yay, if not and loading a back-up just makes a clone of you, you still dont lose anything. And hey a you is better then no you at all

krogothwolf

05-28-2010, 09:55 PM

Dez feeling is along as he is in a morph exploring and getting rich he feels alive, it's as an infomorph he wouldn't feel alive.

Dracorion

05-28-2010, 09:56 PM

Hey, Ellen is rooting for the Immortals.

She's got no problem with getting to live forever without going through the trouble of making backups and resleeving when you do die.

rapter200

05-28-2010, 09:58 PM

Sorry I haven't posted yet, just move back home from college, let me catch up and then I'll post. Also this weekend I am being forced into a camping trip so I won't be able to get internet access until Sunday night or Monday night at the most. I am sorry for this, but they told me about it at the very last minute which just happened to be today...

krogothwolf

05-28-2010, 10:00 PM

Duuude, camping is awesome! Don't be sorry for camping. You should have fun in the great outdoors! Just watch out for lions and tigers and bears!

Overcast

05-28-2010, 10:10 PM

How about the wondrous mother load of resources that will ultimately be at your disposal by earning a stellar reputation from doing very likely just what you are good at.

Daniel is really a poster boy for the faction, he is radically old but hasn't developed a lick of immortal blues demonstrating the ideal psychology of a human, always in love with the next new thing and always looking to enter some new experience. Yet at the same time maintaining a morphological freedom to continually try to make the shell that holds it that much stronger. So you don't have to question what you may have lost.

It is to be prayed that the mind be sound in a sound body.
Ask for a brave soul that lacks the fear of death,
which places the length of life last among nature�s blessings,
which is able to bear whatever kind of sufferings,
does not know anger, lusts for nothing and believes
the hardships and savage labors of Hercules better than
the satisfactions, feasts, and feather bed of an Eastern king.
I will reveal what you are able to give yourself;
For certain, the one footpath of a tranquil life lies through virtue.
~Mr. T American Actor

Krylo

05-28-2010, 10:14 PM

Mr. T pity's the foo' who don't live through virtue.

Dracorion

05-28-2010, 10:41 PM

What're we using for dice rolls, anyway?

Geminex

05-28-2010, 10:46 PM

I'm guessing that PF generates our rolls online.

Posting in a minute, by the way.

krogothwolf

05-28-2010, 11:01 PM

I thought PF said that she was using random.org earlier

Krylo

05-29-2010, 01:06 AM

Years, Decades, Centuries, Millennium filled of war and its consequences. Hell they also destroyed Earth. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmdtxIm0Rk&feature=related)
.

Arhra

05-29-2010, 01:20 AM

Hey raptor, I was going to stay quiet but your guy has an 80 in economics so he should really know this stuff:

First off, we're in an outer system habitat. There is no money really. The rep system is essentially very abstracted barter, where you trade services.

There are some limits of course. The 'currencies' can be summarised as energy, materials and time.

First off is energy. A station can, at any time, only produce goods equal to it's energy production minus ongoing running costs (the life support, the computers, etc). Energy's pretty tight in the Kuiper Belt since you can't rely on solar so you need to use fusion or something similar, importing fuel for it. Something that takes a lot of energy to make is therefore more 'expensive'.

Most objects are made of very common stuff. Some need stuff that's hard to get however, like radioactive isotopes. Location's a factor too. There's plenty of water and decent volatiles in the Kuiper Belt for example, but not much in the way of metal. The asteroid belt is kinda the opposite. This relative rarity may create problems if you want to, say, produce a lot of complex electronics.

Finally, we have time. In an ideal post scarcity society, the first two factors are non-entities. But, there's still only so much a person can get done in a day. The time taken to produce something like Daniel's sculptures is one of the main things that makes it valuable.

If he wanted, it would be easy to get a nice slab of marble produced (somewhat less easy for a large piece that needs a larger nanofabricator). It's only calcium, oxygen, carbon and magnesium after all.

Of course, his point seems to be producing art out of authentic rocks, with real rockish features and flaws, not ones that came out of a nanofabber.

Information's an interesting one. It's valuable when you first find it, but once it gets widely released, not so much. Although it's the old question - would you rather get $100 from one guy or $2 from one hundred guys? It's a form of currency, but not quite in the same way the others are, because it's so easy to reproduce.

EDIT: To sum it up, wealth is based on two factors in a post scarcity enironment: What amount of the base resources you control (energy, matter, time, information) and the quality of work you can produce with it.

Geminex

05-29-2010, 06:07 AM

Ok, making my post now. Sorry it took so long.

I agree with Arha, by the way. Production, manufacture, that's worthless now. This economy revolves around services, not goods.

And can I just say how unfair it is that nobody's asking Drac to keep his libido under control?

And how much "general" knowlege do our characters have? I mean, I'm 17, I recently finished high school. Considering that my character's considerably older than me, along with the fact that he has the entire mesh at his fingertips, not to mention a crainal computer, can I assume that anything I know OOC, my character knows IC, or, alternately, can learn/discover with minimal effort?

Overcast

05-29-2010, 06:13 AM

Watch the D's dear, Damien does the sculpting Daniel defaces property.

Arhra

05-29-2010, 06:18 AM

And can I just say how unfair it is that nobody's asking Drac to keep his libido under control?
I was hoping if we ignored it, it might go away.

Overcast

05-29-2010, 06:58 AM

I said I hated the character. Krogoth and Phoenix called her creepy. Really it is the slow step that says that almost every other character is going to be uncomfortable with her blatant slutitude. It just wasn't as outright as asking to stop since it is in character.

Geminex

05-29-2010, 08:10 AM

I was hoping if we ignored it, it might go away.
hahahahaha oh wow

Yeah,that's not happening. Trust me, I know Drac. Well. Too well.
Better than I'd like.
...
Pass the brain bleach, will you? I wanna make, like, a mental IV. It's gotta work somehow.

Arhra

05-29-2010, 08:12 AM

Well, there's always brainrape.

Overcast

05-29-2010, 08:26 AM

Oooo maybe we can do reprogramming. Someone get me a box of chocolates, a leather belt, a reasonably attractive individual, handcuffs, a lamp, and a chair of well made craftsmanship.

rapter200

05-29-2010, 08:29 AM

Well Damian loves his authenticity when it comes to the stuff he does of course he could just fabricate stuff such as marble and the like but that wouldn't seem right.*Covering ass because he had read the info on "the new economy" after posting* A service based economy, man my head hurts, can't wait to get to the inner systems.

Also congrats on graduating Gem, now (I'm assuming) you start college, you will love it.

Geminex

05-29-2010, 08:53 AM

Thanks!

And, I've decided: Spectre will seem quite human, except for those bits when he expresses no respect whatsoever for any kind of life.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 09:54 AM

Spectre is the worst human ever.

And anyway, relax you big girl. Ellen won't be doing her whore thing very often with the team. I mean, do you really think she cares about a rag-tag group of losers and meatshields?

Overcast

05-29-2010, 10:04 AM

No, and that is the problem. I don't think she cared about anyone else in her introduction post aside from maybe Butler.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 10:13 AM

What, you want me to make her likeable? Because that's kind of not the point.

I considered it "Mission accomplished" when you said that you hated her. But she's fun to write.

Although you did give me an idea. Maybe I'll make Butler female and make it Ellen's best friend.

Overcast

05-29-2010, 10:24 AM

No I'm completely fine with the way you are playing her, and go on with the Butler thing. I'm just stating outright exactly how it is going to affect like everything around her.

I'm sure we're all going to have flaws like that. After all I think everybody save for Damien has some sort of issue.

Tyrfling and Henric are incredibly artificial. Henric is also a criminal. Desmond is incredibly ugly. Ellen is megalomaniacal and ocd so that she likely has to make bad scenes happen. Lind is ADHD and a hacker...that can't possibly be good. Daniel is Bipolar, and while willful enough to usually win that fight he is also unlucky enough that it could blow up in face like everything else. Spectre has a prologue that matches his background together. And worst of all Damien is normal.

PhoenixFlame

05-29-2010, 10:51 AM

And how much "general" knowlege do our characters have? I mean, I'm 17, I recently finished high school. Considering that my character's considerably older than me, along with the fact that he has the entire mesh at his fingertips, not to mention a crainal computer, can I assume that anything I know OOC, my character knows IC, or, alternately, can learn/discover with minimal effort?

Correct, with the obvious exception of things that are classified or part of conspiracies. Notably, psychics for one, Project Ozma for another.

I, like Arhra, hoped it might just go away. That said, it doesn't bother me much, because I can't take Ellen's attempts seriously.

She's an amateur who relies far too much on her looks, which are cheap nowdays anyway. Anyone can look however they want thanks to biosculpting, and anyone can look doubly however they want thanks to augmented reality. Considering everyone's into different things, it's really hard to leverage that anymore.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 10:53 AM

Thanks for the tip, PF. I'll just have to take it up a notch.

Mind you, there's a reason she spits out Oxytocin, doesn't have a Seduction specialty and has a Charisma sleight.

krogothwolf

05-29-2010, 11:11 AM

Desmond is incredibly ugly.

You forgot that the ugly Desmond likes duels! I was tempted to make him talk in third person but then I realized how annoying that would get so I prevent myself from annoying everyone with that.

Overcast

05-29-2010, 11:20 AM

I don't like the way that was worded. It seems to say that she is going to be even more blunt when what is asked for is some sharpness.

Become a little more conniving and deceitful. Use people properly by pulling them on strings brought on by what they think is their own ideas, not just your ideas force fed into them until they agree. Assured I've only seen one example but it just lacked all the subtlety I would have put into old Daniel.

I would permit Desmond to talk in the third person if he took the negative traits Feeble(COG) and Illiterate. Though then you know exactly the kind of third person I am speaking of.

krogothwolf

05-29-2010, 11:25 AM

Haha, Dur desmond not know what to do?

Ellen really isn't much of a team player is she? :/ Well, she is if she's controlling them.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 12:32 PM

Yeah yeah, make her more conniving, that was always the plan.

In retrospect, I probably should've grabbed some more sleights. Drive Emotion, maybe, but I at least should've gotten Thought Browse.

Ah, screw it. I'll pick 'em up later.

Aerozord

05-29-2010, 01:13 PM

hmm I thought sleeping around and exploring odd fetishes was common practice now. That seduction was in most situation unneeded since they'd just say yes anyways. Sure there are some morphs that hit niche preferances, but as a relatively human bio-morph I dont see why sex would ever be hard to come by, even lacking seductive skills

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 01:53 PM

Well, that depends, really. I doubt your regular sex pod would have any trouble getting a rich bastard into bed. Ellen getting a rich bastard into bed? Much harder. Because their social standings are the same or pretty close, it's probably a pretty safe assumption that the glitterati sucking you is trying to screw you over in some way.

So it'd actually be harder for someone like Ellen to get laid. At least, with people in her social group.

If she just wanted sex, I'm sure she could just go anonymous and walk into a random bar.

PhoenixFlame

05-29-2010, 02:10 PM

That seduction was in most situation unneeded since they'd just say yes anyways.

^- Implying seduction and harlotry is remotely similar.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 02:39 PM

Y'know what I forgot to get for Ellen? Bots.

I guess Image Recognition and Tracking software too, but there's the hackers for that.

Overcast

05-29-2010, 02:55 PM

Call me crazy but Ellen seems less likely to be carrying around clanking masses like cases. Doesn't seem to be the sort who would accept the social stigma of pod people either. Maybe a nice little Splicer pair with some Puppet socks for extra defense.

That is just me though.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 03:12 PM

I meant crap like Servitor bots and Gnat bots.

krogothwolf

05-29-2010, 03:13 PM

To be honest, I would figure Ellen wouldn't really want to associate with many of us if she could help it.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 03:18 PM

You're just saying that to keep her away from Desmond.

krogothwolf

05-29-2010, 03:20 PM

Nah, just that she really seems high and mighty and most of us are dirty little scavengers or low lifes.

Overcast

05-29-2010, 03:22 PM

I don't know if Ellen will be able to get past Desmonds terrible ugliness in character. Not when just about everyone she associates is at the very least of middling attractiveness.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 03:23 PM

Of course.

But hey, she's willing to play (relatively) nice if it means she can get someone tracked or a face recognized.

krogothwolf

05-29-2010, 03:27 PM

I expect at least Ellen to get disgusted by his looks at first glance, maybe even mentally vomit. Might also save Dez from her creepiness.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 03:46 PM

Come on. You didn't get Unattractive at a very high level. At most, she might grimace upon first meeting him.

krogothwolf

05-29-2010, 03:54 PM

Yeah, I know. It;s just how your character seems is all. Little snooty and whatnnot

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 04:03 PM

Oh, that. She's just irritated because it was a long ride and her neck is killing her.

She's not really going to talk to the Colonel about travel accomodations, for example.

I imagine Butler's voice would be dripping with exasperation and sarcasm, if it wouldn't piss off Ellen.

EDIT: Man, OC's suggestion got me thinking. Buy a couple of Splicers, a couple of Security AIs, a Ghostrider Module, stick Puppet Socks in the Splicers, give 'em some armor and rifles and Ellen has her own personal bodyguards!

Though it might be better to just have Ellen control them herself.

Although the book doesn't say much about forks. Doesn't seem like you can just put the command "protect the original at all costs" into 'em. I suppose you could just use Psychosurgery on them, but that seems like a lot of work to put into expendable meatshields. Might be easier to just buy the AIs.

Did anyone else just shudder at the thought of three Ellens walking around?

Arhra

05-29-2010, 07:05 PM

Copies of an egotistical megalomaniac tend to not enjoy taking orders from an egotistical megalomaniac.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 07:15 PM

Yeah, I know.

I'm thinking battle royale with the solar system caught in the middle.

PhoenixFlame

05-29-2010, 07:47 PM

Apologies for a slight delay, had to get forced to rebuild my desktop today.

Geminex

05-29-2010, 08:35 PM

Did anyone else just shudder at the thought of three Ellens walking around?
I don't want to think about it. Though if I did want to, I'd think less "clash of the titans" and more "eternal threesome".

And thing is, you could get your legion of bodyguards. But those splicers and their AIs are gonna cost you.

Splicers: 5000
Security AI: 5000
Heavy Armor: 1000
Helmet: 50
Automatic rifle: 1000
Lasersight: 250
100 AP Ammo: 250
100 Hollow-point ammo: 50
100 Zap ammo: 50
And then the implants...
Puppet sock:1000
Medicines: 250
Enhanced vision: 250
(I'd also recommend you get them Neurachem, cause your guards'll be screwed if you don't: 5000)

For a grand total of...
19150! (Without Neurachem it's 14150)
That'll give you one guy with mediocre stats, low-end skills, low-end weapons, moderate armor and 2 speed. If you want 4 of those, it'll cost you 76600 Credits, or the equivalent in Rep. For 6 of those? 114900!
And even with 6 of them, it wouldn't be too hard to wipe them all out, or kill Ellen, at least. Daniel could do it with brute force. Spectre could do it with infiltration. Krogo's character could probably do it as well.
So... Not what I'd consider a good investement. But hey, feel free to waste your money on easy-to-kill minions!

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 08:39 PM

More like walking bullseyes. Ellen would probably pump them full of BringIt.

And two is fine.

Besides, she's not going to be using them against your characters. That'd be silly.

PhoenixFlame

05-29-2010, 08:44 PM

Combat drones in biomorphs? Are you mad?

Do it all over, use synths this time.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 08:46 PM

Augh goddamnit! I can't think of a proper comeback to "Are you mad?"

I suck.

And hey, Synths still cost the same as Splicers.

Arhra

05-29-2010, 08:49 PM

One can be banged out in a workshop over a few afternoons, the other takes a minimum of 18 months floating in a nutritient broth while you apply the necessary genetic cocktail to make sure it grows up right.

Overcast

05-29-2010, 08:51 PM

And Synths have all sorts of advantages that you don't have to buy that you would for Splicers. This is including the puppet sock, air and food, vacuum survival...the only reason I suggested them was because it seemed more in style.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 08:57 PM

Plus, y'know, the whole social stigma thing is fixed with a Synthetic Mask.

PhoenixFlame

05-29-2010, 09:01 PM

And integrated armor.

... And better durability.

Dracorion

05-29-2010, 09:08 PM

Granted, that whole Uncanny Valley is a dead giveaway, but who cares? They're just thugs. The overall cost should remain the same.

I don't want to think about it. Though if I did want to, I'd think less "clash of the titans" and more "eternal threesome".

You wish. The three Ellens wouldn't want anything to do with each other, except maybe if the two copies are beta forks they might make a temporary alliance to kill the original.

You know, burning 40 rep for a couple of bodyguards doesn't sound so bad. somehow. But I'm probably underestimating the value of rep. Maybe I can get it all in one favor. Kind of a package deal.

Or hell, she doesn't have to get it all in one shot. Fenris is mostly populated by infomorphs and Synths, yes? And credits don't do much in the outer system. How hard would it be to find a Ghostrider Module and a couple of Security AIs in a station filled with Informorphs and Synths? And what kinda rep would be needed to acquire them? c-rep? @-rep?

Yes, I am fully aware whatever services Ellen would have to offer in exchange for the stuff wouldn't involve sex. Shut up.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 05:14 AM

Augh goddamnit! I can't think of a proper comeback to "Are you mad?"
http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

And seriously, stop it with the bodyguards. If anyone significant wants you dead, they aren't going to stop usthem. You're just wasting resources. If you're gonna burn huge amounts of rep, get Spectre his body back. That'll get you a mildly obedient, and, above all, competent minion. Not some Synth without initiative or ability to hit a barn door.

And a question, synthmorphs can't get "real" armor, as well as whatever's built-in, right? Like, even though it's humanoid, a synthmorph can't wear body armor. I assume. Because 16/16 armor, plus worn armor would be excessive.

Oh, and what's up with identity and anonymity? The manual had quite a bit of info on it, but I'm still... uncertain. Anonymity and stealth will be important to my character, so is there any way we could get some more info on that?

Overcast

05-30-2010, 06:04 AM

Geminex

05-30-2010, 06:36 AM

You're just saying that because it furthers your goals, and really no amount of Rep burning is going to get that body back. I only say so because it is a damn boring way to do so, the best you are going to get is some information that will lead you closer but just getting it back by having someone else grab it is boring and awkward.

Psst. Sometimes, the things I say are either jokes, or provocations. If you have to spend sixty words explaining why what I said was stupid, it's likely that I wasn't actually being serious. Of course I wouldn't want the body back that easily. It'd remove my character's primary short-term motivation, and unbalance his already-shaky backstory even further.

(And no, that was just 59 words. You may take it seriously.)

Regarding the bodyguard, what do you mean by "small rotor flight enabled robots"? I've checked, there doesn't really seem to be one. There's a "Guardian Angel" bot with some pretty good mods (including Neurachem), for just 1000 Creds (so they're expendable), but I don't think it can carry weapons (Neurachem would be for the purpose of perception checks). There's also Dragonfly morphs, but they're expensive, and 1 metre in length, so not small either. Your concept is interesting, but I don't think it's possible to realize it. And even if it were, I don't think the idea would be that great. You've named a lot of light weapons. That limits their damage potential and range. Concealability is nice, but with small size comes weak armor. Very easy to kill. You said expendable, but no bodyguard's gonna be expendable, because they're all going to cost at least 5000, for the AI. So no, I think bodyguards are a waste of resources. If he could get one really effective guard, maybe. Like, splurge on a high-quality morph, good weapons, good enhancements, make something that's very unlikely to die, that might work. But he'd still be limited by a low-quality AI.

So no, I don't think that swarms of bodyguards or one strong bodyguard would be worth their creds/rep. I might be proven wrong, 'fcourse, but you have limiting factors that'd be hard to overcome.

Krylo

05-30-2010, 07:03 AM

Overcast

05-30-2010, 07:13 AM

Don't grasp what I say seriously all the time either, I could just be ribbing you.*hint*

Anyway engineering isn't exactly limited by what they offer in the rulebook. Obviously they aren't offering the robots that they got attacked by in Lack in the list of robots we can buy. While Tyrfing could not only fabricate such a robot, she could also program them to work. I named light weapons because I was working with small bots, little flying bastards meant to abuse and distract as much as kill. The AI's and robots offered are simply samples of what is possible and what I am working with here would probably only be as complex as a device AI, command functions for flight and firing, and if you can afford it dodging. No good for anything else.

Though I could be overestimating how flexible the system is when it comes to fabrication and programming.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 07:53 AM

I'm pretty sure you can upgrade the small robots with any upgrades that could fit into a synthmorph (in fact it says in the rule book you could use one as a shell by purchasing a cyberbrain for it), so for about 20000 you could buy/upgrade a guardian angel to have a pair of articulated weapon mounts, better armor, a pistol, a seeker pistol, and a good amount of highly dangerous micromissiles.
I'd imagine that they'd get quite a few penalties to attack rolls, though. Because when you're telling me that a small, light flying morph (such as said guardian angle) can wield weapons as well as a large, heavy humanoid one (such as a generic synth), that's when I start caling bullshit. They have neither the mass to resist recoil, nor should they be able to hold their weapons steady, what with, y'know, the flying and all.

Don't grasp what I say seriously all the time either, I could just be ribbing you.*hint*
Yeah, but that would require a sense of humour. And we can all see the problem with that.

command functions for flight and firing, and if you can afford it dodging
Well, I'm imagining a character with 50 points in Kinetic weapons, 50 points in Fray, and 50 points in flight/freerunning. No academic skills. Nothing active, other than what I mentioned above. There are so many ways said AI is flawed, everything from lacking perception, to the fact that, being an AI, it's vulnerable to hacking. And it doesn't have firewalls or anything else. I mean, sure, maybe it's good in combat. But I maintain, to actually make it useful, you'd need effort. Going all minimalist is fine if you only need it for one single specialized function, but this isn't just going to be a soldier, it's gonna be a bodyguard. And that means it needs at least a few more skills than what it's got.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's totally worth it. I've spent too much time discussing this. Go for it, Drac! But when your last drone explodes halfway through our first mission, and it turns out you don't even have enough rep left to get some basic info from a local snitch, I won't even say "I told you so". I'll just be thinking it, really, really hard.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 08:26 AM

I'll admit that my own strategy was mostly combat based and not high on external defense against alternative attack. Though Krylo's guardian angels are pretty much fine. One this is the future and almost all weapons are essentially recoilless thanks to rheological smart fluid mechanisms. Two movement penalties are easily overcome by gyromounts. In the end almost all penalties are lost, and with proper programming it can very easily shoot as well as some people.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 10:54 AM

Jesus, I go away for a few hours to sleep.

See, the reason I want Ghostrider Module is so that the AIs can stay in Ellen and control the bots from there. So she doesn't have to keep coughing up 5000 creds every time they get blown up.

Can AIs make alpha forks of themselves? I can't see there'd be a legal problem, them being AIs and all. And then she'd only have to get one. Guess not, seeing as how it needs a backup or a cyberbrain or some other things I think AIs can't have.

Security AI: 5000
Guardian Angel: 1000
Heavy Combat Armor: 5000
Heavy Pistol: 250
Laser Sight: 250
100 AP Ammo: 250
100 Hollow-point Ammo: 50
100 Zap Ammo: 50
Seeker Pistol: 1000
10 Frag Micromissiles: 1000
10 AP Micromissiles: 1000
Concealed Articulated Weapon Mount x2: 2000
Puppet Sock: 1000
Firewall Software: 250

Makes 18100 creds for one. If I read weapon mounts correctly, it seems like you can have a concealed and articulated mount, though I'm not sure if the price increases if you get both mods. Firewall software supposedly comes with every system, but I didn't see it among the robots' enhancements so I added it anyway to be sure.

I should get, what, two or three of these?

Yep, Ellen is definitely going to get in with Tyrfing.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 08:52 PM

See, the reason I want Ghostrider Module is so that the AIs can stay in Ellen and control the bots from there. So she doesn't have to keep coughing up 5000 creds every time they get blown up.
I think they actually need to be in the AI. Your mesh inserts can only support one AI, and that's your muse. Also, security AI can only have one weapons skill, so either no heavy pistols or no seekers.
The rest is fine, though. Go for it.

...

And... this thing is still alive, yes? I didn't skim through a 300-page manual for nothing.
...
Right?

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 08:58 PM

I think they actually need to be in the AI. Your mesh inserts can only support one AI, and that's your muse.

I don't know what this part means.

Also, security AI can only have one weapons skill, so either no heavy pistols or no seekers.
The rest is fine, though. Go for it.

Couldn't they theoretically default to aptitudes, though? Like, get 40 in Seeker weapons and then use your COO (which is 10 for AIs) when handling the kinetic pistol. Or vice-versa. Alternatively, since they're going to be using Seeker Pistols, and their other weapon would also be a pistol, maybe they could default to their Seeker Weapons total when using the kinetic pistol. I mean, a PC can do it, don't see why the robot can't.

And... this thing is still alive, yes? I didn't skim through a 300-page manual for nothing.
...
Right?

I don't think so. But that's just me choosing to believe that PF is just being a silly doodle.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 09:12 PM

Don't worry about death, it is just one day off for PF at the time, it only feels long because it is Sunday, and it will feel long tomorrow as well if you happen to have the day off. We are all waiting, expect some minor silence.

The usage of a separate skill to try to try to influence another similar skill is pretty much up to PF. Pure defaulting to base skills is pretty much set though. What Gem is saying is keeping one extra AI in your head tends to be cramped, keeping one extra ego requires a total revamp of the build of your brain. Holding multiple AI might be more than you can handle. You can try to have a central security system that has a command AI upgraded with Mental Speed, but this could be stretching it a bit.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 09:14 PM

What, even if she tells them to sit down, shut up and not to touch anything?

Krylo

05-30-2010, 09:16 PM

I think they actually need to be in the AI. Your mesh inserts can only support one AI, and that's your muse. That's the point of ghost rider modules.

Couldn't they theoretically default to aptitudes, though? Nope. AIs may not default.

Edit: From page 264:

"AI LIMITATIONS
AIs feature a number of built-in restrictions and limitations. To start with, they can be loaded in the cyberbrains of pods and synthmorphs, but they may not be downloaded into biomorph brains. As software, they use the same rules as other software and may be shut down, restarted, copied, erased, stored as inert data, infected with virii, and reprogrammed. Due to their size and complexity, only one AI (or infomorph) may be run on a personal computer at a time (see Computer Capabilities, p. 247), and they may not run on peripheral devices.

While they possess cognition and intelligence, they are incapable of self-improvement and cannot expand their programming and skills on their own. Although they are not able to learn they do possess memory storage that grants them the ability to remember and a limited form of adaptation. AIs do not earn Rez Points, nor do they have Moxie.

AIs have aptitudes no greater than 20 but are incapable of defaulting. If they don�t possess a skill, they don�t know how to do it. (At the gamemaster�s discretion, they may default to eld skills or similar skills as noted on p. 173 with a �10 to �30 modifier). They can use skills like any character in Eclipse Phase, however they may not possess any Active skill at a rating higher than 40 or Knowledge skill higher than 90�the maximum amount of expertise that their skill software allows.

While AIs are programmed with personality templates and empathy, they are generally less emotive and dif cult to read (apply a �30 modifier to Kinesics Test made against them, when in pod bodies). When combined with non-expressive synthetic morphs, they are even more difficult (�60 modifier). Some AIs lack emotive capabilities altogether and are impossible to read with Kinesics skill. AIs do have a Lucidity and Trauma Threshold stat, and are capable of suffering mental stress and traumas."

Edit 2: Also, an AI may, indeed, have more than one combat skill. The AIs in the gear section are examples, not the end all be all of AI in Eclipse Phase.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 09:18 PM

Read the section on AI. AI can't default.

Also, now I get what you mean. You'd have multiple Ghostrider modules in Ellen's body, each inhabited by an AI, and said AI would have control over the drones via puppet sock. That makes significantly more sense.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 09:22 PM

Yep. Fortunately:

As software, they use the same rules as other software and may be
shut down, restarted, copied, erased, stored as inert data, infected with virii, and reprogrammed.

So she only has to buy the one AI, right? Though she'll need help from one of the hackers, I'm sure.

I'm thinking maybe get Ellen three of them. Two with pistols, one with a Seeker and watch the fireworks. Though three might be too expensive.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 09:22 PM

I realize that I would find some terrible amusement in destroying an AI through mental stress.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 09:27 PM

Drop the armor. They have 14/12 already (or was it 12/14?), +4/2 isn't worth 5000. That might make them a bit more affordable. Though you'll need gyromounts, I'd imagine.

Edit:
hough one more thing...

The purpose of your bodyguards is to protect Ellen, yes?
...

Sooo...

What do you think is going to happen if you put all the AI into Ellen?

Because see, let's pretend I'm an assassin. And I come across Ellen, with her 2 or 3 drones. And I know that the AI that's controlling those drones is integrated with Ellen's mesh.
...
Whom do I shoot first? What do you think?

Aerozord

05-30-2010, 09:34 PM

umm not to sound impatient but, is there something we are waiting on, someone that hasn't posted yet, cause its been over a day since the last one

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 09:35 PM

Right, new totals:

Security AI: 5000

Guardian Angel: 1000
Heavy Pistol: 250
Laser Sight: 250
100 AP Ammo: 250
100 Hollow-point Ammo: 50
100 Zap Ammo: 50
Concealed Articulated Weapon Mount: 1000
Gyromount: 1000
Puppet Sock: 1000
Firewall Software: 250
5100

Guardian Angel: 1000
Seeker Pistol: 1000
10 Frag Micromissiles: 1000
10 AP Micromissiles: 1000
Concealed Articulated Weapon Mount: 1000
Gyromount: 1000
Puppet Sock: 1000
Firewall Software: 250
7250

3 Ghostrider Modules: 750

Grant total for two-pistol wielders and one Seeker-wielder: 23200

Reading up on Ghostrider modules, it seems they can only host one AI at a time. I'm assuming Ellen can have three without any problems, right?

Because see, let's pretend I'm an assassin. And I come across Ellen, with her 2 or 3 drones. And I know that the AI that's controlling those drones is integrated with Ellen's mesh.
...
Whom do I shoot first? What do you think?

How would you know that?

Overcast

05-30-2010, 09:40 PM

You shoot Ellen you fool, who are you there to kill? It doesn't matter who is controlling the drones if you blast the target you can ditch like a ghost faced killer if you get it done fast enough.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 09:42 PM

How would you know that?
I'm guessing I'd notice the data flow between the two. You're using the mesh, yes? Meaning that what you're doing can be tracked?

Edit:
You shoot Ellen you fool, who are you there to kill? It doesn't matter who is controlling the drones if you blast the target you can ditch like a ghost faced killer if you get it done fast enough.
Not necessarily. Dependent on your ability to deal area damage, it might otherwise make sense to kill all the drones first. It's possible with anything from grenades to covering fire. Whereas, with Drac's method, there's no motivation to kill anyone other than Ellen. Hell, if he can copy the AI, he can just keep a copy of it backed-up, and put another copy into each Drone.

And don't call me fool again, m'kay? I don't like having my intelligence insulted.

Aerozord

05-30-2010, 09:45 PM

You shoot Ellen you fool, who are you there to kill? It doesn't matter who is controlling the drones if you blast the target you can ditch like a ghost faced killer if you get it done fast enough.

personally if I was Ellen I'd keep my ego in one of the guards and remote the morph, specifically for this reason.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 09:53 PM

@Overcast: she should be hiding behind the drones. Besides, why do all the baddies have to be targetting Ellen? It's not like she's the only person in the party! There are combat specialists and infiltrators and hackers and whatnots too!

@Gem: Oh, crap. Right. But hey, there's Miniature Quantum Farcasters. Or yeah, your other idea is better. Just keep one copy on your person, put the rest inside the drones.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 09:55 PM

Besides, why do all the baddies have to be targetting Ellen? It's not like she's the only person in the party! There are combat specialists and infiltrators and hackers and whatnots too!
You seem to expect her to get attacked. BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONE GETTING BODYGUARDS.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 09:58 PM

No, Ellen expects herself to get attacked. Y'know, center of the universe and all.

Huge difference.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 09:59 PM

Sorry I use fool rather liberally. Not meant to be a serious insult, just a text version of...I keep thinking the phrase wake up call but I have no idea what I am trying to convey.

But I'd say it is because targeting the person who looks the snootiest seems to guarantee a kill, compared to trying to kill someone like Daniel what with his thick armor, his big gun, his helmet.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 10:02 PM

Well yeah, Ellen may be the squishiest party member but she's also the least threatening.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 10:04 PM

Well that is the thing. An assassin kills like a predator, pick them off one by one with the least difficult to the most. Someone like Desmond is a warrior. He is the kind of person who might try to bum rush Daniel before he took down the squishy one.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 10:06 PM

Though, really, it's up to us to protect the weaker party members, mostly by simply arranging things so they're no in danger.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 10:07 PM

Okay, so it depends on what we're facing off against. If it's your assassin scenario, she's going to be the most likely target regardless of drones or not.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 10:16 PM

Keep Daniel in the middle, Spectre at the back, Desmond at the front. Daniel is relatively good on his eyes, but the rest of his senses are just reasonably trained. You two got him on total sensory capability, Desmond naturally Spectre artificially. Also with his Oracles Daniel can best maneuver to a proper position from the middle if either side gets caught off guard.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 10:18 PM

If someone wants to assassinate her, her morph's probably gone. But I'm hoping we could save her cortical stack, or at least her backups.

Keep Daniel in the middle, Spectre at the back, Desmond at the front. Daniel is relatively good on his eyes, but the rest of his senses are just reasonably trained. You two got him on total sensory capability, Desmond naturally Spectre artificially. Also with his Oracles Daniel can best maneuver to a proper position from the middle if either side gets caught off guard.
If we did something like this, I might actually have Spectre scout ahead a little. But we can't just choose a fixed formation and use that. We need to be able to adapt to the situation, we should be taking this case-by-case.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 10:27 PM

Was thinking about lack again and the small hallways. Scouting ahead isn't much with Daniel and his eyes, combined with his X-ray emitter and he can see through just about anything without much trouble. No I'd rather he be at the back watching our most obvious flank with his echolocation since Daniel can at best only look over a cone of sight.

Dracorion

05-30-2010, 10:29 PM

Taking into account Krylo's observation about AIs being able to have more than one combat skill, which I missed before, three seeker and kinetic pistol-wielding comes down to 30300 creds. Plus the cost for the AI and the Ghostrider Module. Meh, I still like it. Though maybe I should get them Medichines.

Overcast

05-30-2010, 10:32 PM

Medichines aren't much worth on something that isn't biological. You'll probably need some Fixers.

Geminex

05-30-2010, 10:43 PM

Going in the rear would be safer for Spectre, certainly, but I don't think we need a huge amount of protection there. He can infiltrate, so even if our opponents have powerful perception, he'll usually get close enough to see them before they see him. Then he can report back with data. If he stayed with the group, the group might be spotted before spotting the enemies in question.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 03:10 AM

Medichines aren't much worth on something that isn't biological. You'll probably need some Fixers.

Page 308, under Medichines:

Medichines for synthmorphs and bots consist of nanobots that monitor and repair the shell�s integrity and internal system functions. Note that the synthmorph version of medichines allows the synthmorph to self-repair in the same manner by which a biomorph with medichines would naturally heal (p. 208).

Geminex

05-31-2010, 03:13 AM

Though I still question that he can get a Bot with 40 Dur, pretty good speed, the ability to use weapons and, above all, Neurachem, for just 1000. I'm not sure if the game is meant to be really droid-heavy, but I really don't think that this is in the spirit of the creator. I mean, sure, they're limited by AI, but unless PF makes the AI really retarded, Ellen is now our best close-combat damage dealer.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 03:30 AM

Geminex

05-31-2010, 03:52 AM

No, no it wouldn't.
Guardian Angel: Similar to gnats, guardian angel rotorcraft hover around their charges, keeping a watchful eye out to protect them from threats. [Moderate]

Guardian Angel 8/40 80 14/12 40 8 Rotor
Enhancements: +5 REF, 360-Degree Vision, Access Jacks, Chameleon Skin, Eelware, Enhanced Hearing, Enhanced Smell, Enhanced Vision,
Lidar, Light Combat Armor, Neurachem, T-Ray Emitter
40 dur, 14/12 armor, good speed, ability to use weapons, if you enhance it with pods (according to you) and, of course, neurachem, for 1000.

It's not combat-equipped yet, but that's easy. He's really only paying for the AI, weapons mounts and weapons. And ammo as well. Apparently it comes out to about 30000 for three, and he could cut that down some more if he forgets the seeker pistols and just goes for two heavy pistols.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 03:57 AM

No, no it wouldn't.

40 dur, 14/12 armor, good speed, ability to use weapons, if you enhance it with pods (according to you) and, of course, neurachem, for 1000.

It's not combat-equipped yet, but that's easy. He's really only paying for the AI, weapons mounts and weapons. And ammo as well. Apparently it comes out to about 30000 for three, and he could cut that down some more if he forgets the seeker pistols and just goes for two heavy pistols.

I'm not sure what pods you're talking about, but AI is at least another 5000, more if he wants it to use more than one weapon (illegal/custom AIs go for around 20000 if the KAOS AI is any indication).

Seeker missiles are all at least 1000 per ten shots, the better ones are 5000.

Weapon mounts are 250, 1000 if you want them articulated (meaning they can aim in more directions) OR hidden--and I don't think you can get both at once.

Etc.

I mean I guess you could make a shitty pistol one that's not going to come close to a character's combat effectiveness for around 6-10 thousand if you wanted.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 04:15 AM

Ok, so AI's gonna cost him a bit. But according to the manual, he can make unlimited copies of them. So really, he needs to spend 5000-20000 once, and then just needs to back up that AI somewhere, and copy it every time he makes a new droid.

When I said "pods" I meant "mounts". My bad.

And when he calculated 30000, he had 3 bots with a heavy pistol and seeker pistol each. They had low weapons skills, but, hell, they had 2 speed, and there were three of them. That estimate would rise of 45000 if the AI costs him 20000, but those 20000 would, like I said, be a one-time cost. Look, I'll calculate it, kay?

Bodyguard AI: 20000 (I'm assuming it'd have 2 weapons skills, and the Fray skill, as well as the Profession: Bodyguard skill, plus whatever else it needs. )
3 Pods: 3000
6 Articulated weapons mounts: 6000
4 Heavy Rail Pistols (with lasersight and extended magazine): 6000
2 Seeker pistols: 2000
Total ammo: 4000 for seekers (not sure which to get), 1000 for 400 rounds of AP ammo.

Gives me 41000.

So he'd get two pods which deal murderous close-range damage, one which is fairly good at both close- and long-range, and has quite a few versatile ammo choices. They'd all have a bit of survivability, certainly, but still be expendable. Certainly one of the better damage dealers in the group, provided he keeps them safe from hacking.

Edit: But, hell, I never said that I have a problem with the total cost of getting Ellen's bodyguards (though I do). I did say that I have a problem that he can get Guardian Angel for just 1000, and that it contains the majority of what he needs. He's really only paying for AI and weapons.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 04:21 AM

And when he calculated 30000, he had 3 bots with a heavy pistol and seeker pistol each.No, he had two bots with pistols and one with a seeker for 23k.

He was also using chemical pistols (firearms) not rail pistols.

And he didn't even take any of the decent seeker ammo.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 04:45 AM

But that's more because he's inexperienced, and less because it isn't possible.
And I think he updated his estimate later. But anyway, like I said:
Usually, for a morph with good survivability, high mobility, and that many enhancements (among them Neurachem, for god's sake), you'd be paying at least 20000. You get this one for just 1000. Is that... right?

Krylo

05-31-2010, 06:25 AM

Yeah, I agree that guardian angels should cost more.

I just don't think that Ellen's going to end up being the best damage dealer in the group even if she does go about buying a drone army.

I also think doing so would completely destroy her rep, only to have her entire army be useless the first time we egocast anywhere.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 07:56 AM

Yep, it's just I'm inexperienced.

Y'know, reading up on Guardian Angels:

Guardian Angel: Similar to gnats, guardian angel rotorcraft hover around their charges, keeping a watchful eye out to protect them from threats. [Moderate]

If they're really like Gnats, they're probably small little things and that's probably why they're so cheap. I imagine it would also affect our ability to stick weapons in 'em. Having them carry a heavy pistol and a seeker pistol might be pushing it. Y'know, proportion-wise.

Also, Ellen doesn't really egocast anywhere unless she's sure there's a good morph waiting for her on the other side.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 08:00 AM

If they're really like Gnats, they're probably small little things and that's probably why they're so cheap. I imagine it would also affect our ability to stick weapons in 'em. Having them carry a heavy pistol and a seeker pistol might be pushing it. Y'know, proportion-wise.They are like the 'gnats' described as floating cameras, but their size is never explained. Though in the security section it is detailed that they are used as aerial support for reapers and other very nasty robots.

Also a tiny little thing with 14/12 armor and 40 DUR is kinda silly.

I really wish the game explained sizes better, though.

Also, Ellen doesn't really egocast anywhere unless she's sure there's a good morph waiting for her on the other side.

Yeah, you go ahead and tell that to Nyx when she needs you across the system within the day.

I wonder how long it'll take the erasure squad to take care of all the classified firewall data she'd have in her head when she proves unreliable and unresponsive as a sentinel.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 08:15 AM

Ooh, ooh! Do I get to kill her? Seriously, I'll put two reactive-armor-piercing bullets into her cortical stack, Lind and Tyrfing can track down her backups and erase those. It'll be fun!

Also a tiny little thing with 14/12 armor and 40 DUR is kinda silly.
My point exactly. And I've already mentioned, how do they carry weapons? I mean, the gun's as heavy as the drone is. Or how do they fire them without suffering accuracy penalties? There's nothing in the Errata regarding this?

Overcast

05-31-2010, 08:26 AM

I'll admit that Daniel hates to egocast, but he is smart enough to realize when it is necessary. More than likely unless he is being assured to have an equivalent morph on the other side of the system the acquisition of a proper morph to hold him when he leaves is going to be where the moxie is going to be applied.

And still the best he is probably going to get is a Reaper or a Fury. Bad since he isn't a fan of uploading into a synth(never has) and he doesn't like uploading into another gender either.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 08:29 AM

My point exactly. And I've already mentioned, how do they carry weapons? I mean, the gun's as heavy as the drone is. Or how do they fire them without suffering accuracy penalties? There's nothing in the Errata regarding this?

They are like the 'gnats' described as floating cameras, but their size is never explained. Though in the security section it is detailed that they are used as aerial support for reapers and other very nasty robots.

I don't think they're actually that small, was my point.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 08:50 AM

Well, air support can mean a variety of things. I was taking it to indicate surveillance and data feeds. And if the thing's not even that small, then that again calls cost into question. Eh. Let's put the discussion on ice, wait for PF's call.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 12:11 PM

Yeah, you go ahead and tell that to Nyx when she needs you across the system within the day.

I wonder how long it'll take the erasure squad to take care of all the classified firewall data she'd have in her head when she proves unreliable and unresponsive as a sentinel.

Hey, I never said Ellen wouldn't egocast.

To clarify, she'd rather end up in a Sylph. If there aren't any available, even by calling in a favor, she can settle for a decent Exalt or Fury, provided they're not FUGLY. But she'll be in a bad mood all day.

As for leaving her bodyguards behind, well that is a problem. But presumably we won't be switching bodies very often. And I'm assuming we'll be returning to our original morphs, so Ellen could just leave the drones with her morph and just go a while without 'em.

Arhra

05-31-2010, 04:43 PM

Settle for an Exalt or Fury?

That's not how rarity works! That's not how it works at all!

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 04:48 PM

you know we've spent more time discussing Ellen's, umm, quirks, then... well actually thats just about all we've done since the RP started

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 04:55 PM

Ellen's quirks are entertaining to discuss, we could discuss mundane things like what we plan to do for such and such stuff, but we haven't gone anywhere yet to discuss mundane things. We haven't even met each other yet!

Overcast

05-31-2010, 05:48 PM

Indeed, we already hit the issues that each of us has with security. Now we all chill on the habitat looking for that meet point and what missions may come with it. Ellen really just seems like the most difficult for anyone else to deal with, awkwardly she is probably going to be the rep for the team. Ain't that just awful?

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 05:52 PM

Well, she would still need to work with someone else in case she needs backup or something.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 05:55 PM

Settle for an Exalt or Fury?

That's not how rarity works! That's not how it works at all!

No, that's how snobbishness works.

I think I'll have Ellen do a post looking for a Ghostrider Module and a Security AI. I wanna say KAOS AI, since she doesn't have to pay credits for 'em, but the only difference is REF 20 and 10 more points in Hardware: Electronics.

I mean, it might be worth it, especially stacked with Guardian Angel's +5 REF.

But yeah, I wanna know first that those things can even be found on Fenris before I have Ellen go looking for stuff.

rapter200

05-31-2010, 07:21 PM

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 07:38 PM

Now we're going to discuss the mating habits of the uplifted. National Geographic eat your heart outs!

Krylo

05-31-2010, 08:03 PM

Wow nothing has happened... thanks for waiting. Lol. Yeah Ellen is going to rub Damian the wrong way, question can a human attract an uplifted... I couldn't find the answer in PDF but I would think it would be kind of hard.

Read the scum sections and what not closer. Pay special attention to morphological freedom.

Attractiveness is subjective to the EXTREME in the world of Eclipse Phase. At least in the outer systems. In the inner it's more classical (which is where Ellen's from), so far as I can tell.

But, to answer your question, that depends upon your character and their personality. Does he find female (or male, for that matter) attractive, or does he find humans to be repulsive? Far too many disgusting calcium deposits in their flesh... what do they call them? Bones? Ugh. Disgusting. You need yourself a good boneless girl you can squeeze through a mouse hole. Rawr.

Edit/Repost:

PF said she is not feeling well but will make a post as soon as she is able. The weekend has been kinda rough with computer issues + illness.

ALSO she says that GA's are small rotorcraft too small to stick guns on. They are designed to ram people with their eelware.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 08:04 PM

Enhanced Pheromones: The morph�s biochemistry has been altered so that it produces enhanced pheromonal signals that subconsciously affect the behavior of other humans in the vicinity. These pheromones make the character more attractive and trustworthy to the target; apply a +10 modi er to appropriate Social skill tests, such as Persuasion. This augmentation only affects characters who can smell the pheromones, and it does not affect uplifts or xenomorphs. [Low]

STRIKING LOOKS (MORPH TRAIT)
Cost: 10 (Level 1) or 20 (Level 2) CP
In an age where biosculpting is easy, good looks are both cheap and commonplace. This morph, however, possesses a physical look that can only be described as striking and unusual, but also somehow alluring and fascinating�even the gorgeous and chiseled glitterati take notice. On social skill tests where the character�s beauty may affect the outcome, they receive a +10 (for Level 1) or +20 (for Level 2) modifier. This modifier
is ineffective against xenomorphs or those with the infolife or uplift backgrounds. This trait is only available to biomorphs.

Yep, Ellen can't seduce Damian.

Well, there's her Hither gland, which works as long as Damian finds her attractive.

EDIT @Krylo: Balls. Too small even for a Seeker Armband? Or y'know, two?

After Guardian Angel, Ellen's best bet for a robot bodyguard is Dwarf. But that one's freaking expensive. We're probably better off going with a proper morph. Dragonfly or Synth. And then Tyrfing can have a body to inhabit. I don't think Ellen would mind, if it gets Tyrfing to improve the AI for her.

PhoenixFlame

05-31-2010, 08:15 PM

Nnngh...

Sorry folks, I had my computer busted up on saturday, church with the family and friends on sunday, and I got ill today, so I haven't been feeling good or had time for this. I am working on rectifying this now.

OKAY, from the top.

1.) GA's are about the size of seeker drones in Half Life 2, they are modified camera spy drones, and more analogous to the drugspy from Perfect Dark than any sort of autonomous gun drone. They have what they have, and there's no real modifying tiny VTOL robots without screwing up the "Tiny" and "VTOL" bit.

They fly around and shock people, primarially they're good at identifying threats for other gun drones, like Reapers.

2.) That's not how rarity works.

3.) I think that's it. Hang on while I go read the thread again. FFff-, Aerozord, why do you put me in these situations.

EDIT: Actually, scratch that, I'm not going to play eight different characters in addition to all my NPCs. If you want me to use your muse to give you data or mine something, ask me and I'll do it, otherwise I'm ignoring it.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 08:16 PM

Well, there's her Hither gland, which works as long as Damian finds her attractive.

On the other hand, one of the human PCs (Like, say, Daniel) may have a thing for... let's say, neoavian chicks, and find catgirls absolutely repulsive. Hither gland wouldn't work there, and he'd probably get a modifier to resist seduction seeming as you're all about the looks with your seducing.

Or, they may find her attractive but stick an AR Illusion of say... the face of the predator over her head, to the same effect.

Seduction is kinda limited in a world where there's no real consensus on what's attractive.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 08:19 PM

PF: I told Arhra, that's how snobbisness works.

Ellen's reasons for wanting a Sylph and getting a Hither drug gland have less to do with seduction and more to do with making sure all eyes are on her. And she usually socializes in the inner system, so she can be relatively certain most people if not everyone will find her attractive.

I mean, she'd probably keep herself on a constant BringIt high if it wasn't sure to get her killed.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 08:21 PM

After Guardian Angel, Ellen's best bet for a robot bodyguard is Dwarf. But that one's freaking expensive. We're probably better off going with a proper morph. Dragonfly or Synth. And then Tyrfing can have a body to inhabit. I don't think Ellen would mind, if it gets Tyrfing to improve the AI for her.

Army of creepies with laser eyes.

Ferrets.

Robot laser ferrets.

Edit for upload.

PhoenixFlame

05-31-2010, 08:25 PM

PF: I told Arhra, that's how snobbisness works.

We'll see how long she can comfortably ignore the "post apocalypse" then.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 08:35 PM

Army of creepies with laser eyes.

Ferrets.

Robot laser ferrets.

Genius.

Unfortunately there's no laser eyes, but there is a Hand Laser. Moderate cost.

EDIT: Actually, scratch that, I'm not going to play eight different characters in addition to all my NPCs. If you want me to use your muse to give you data or mine something, ask me and I'll do it, otherwise I'm ignoring it.

Well, fuck me. I was kind of assuming we'd get to control stuff like AIs ourselves, seeing as how they're more like specialized muses.

I realize AIs should be able to have some autonomy to screw their owner over, but we can do that ourselves. Ellen would pick a fight, confident that her bodyguards will kick the guy's ass, and the AI would just go "uh, no" and drag her the fuck out of there, embarrassing her forever.

Or something.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 08:40 PM

Awwh. Sick? My sympathies, get well soon. If you come up with some sort of good excuse for all the characters to meet up, just a short post, then we could all shun Ellensocialise while you recover.

Oh, and...

There's a "Guardian Angel" bot with some pretty good mods (including Neurachem), for just 1000 Creds (so they're expendable), but I don't think it can carry weapons.

I'm pretty sure you can upgrade the small robots with any upgrades that could fit into a synthmorph (in fact it says in the rule book you could use one as a shell by purchasing a cyberbrain for it), so for about 20000 you could buy/upgrade a guardian angel to have a pair of articulated weapon mounts, better armor, a pistol, a seeker pistol, and a good amount of highly dangerous micromissiles.

ALSO she says that GA's are small rotorcraft too small to stick guns on. They are designed to ram people with their eelware.

I'm not going to say "Told you so". I am going to say that my German Sense is tingling. And saying "FORGET BODYGUARDS".

And one more thing:
EDIT: Actually, scratch that, I'm not going to play eight different characters in addition to all my NPCs. If you want me to use your muse to give you data or mine something, ask me and I'll do it, otherwise I'm ignoring it.
What's this referring to? Is PF just saying that we control our own muses?

PhoenixFlame

05-31-2010, 08:43 PM

What's the proper response to a guy staring at you while you're undressed, waiting to change clothes? Slap him!

If you're a military woman? Punch him!

It's the American way! ((It might be pertinent to note that Nyx expects Henric to, like most Neotenics, be a grown man. PRoooobably on drugs. So yeah.))

Edit: Yes you can all control your little peons and muses and junk, I was just intending to originally alert you of things with them that should be important or let them run their own research rolls

Krylo

05-31-2010, 08:43 PM

Genius.

Unfortunately there's no laser eyes, but there is a Hand Laser. Moderate cost.Yeah the idea was to route the hand lasers through the eyes, though I feel I should stress that I was joking before this turns into another ten pages of discussing how to make the perfect creepy war bot.

I'm not going to say "Told you so".You totally just did, but it's ok. I'm a big man. I can admit when I was wrong about the vaguely defined size of a robot in an RP.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 08:48 PM

I'm not going to say "Told you so". I am going to say that my German Sense is tingling. And saying "FORGET BODYGUARDS".

Nope. There's Creepies. And according to Tyrfing's sheet they can be equipped the Hand Lasers. The problem with Guardian Angels isn't so much that they couldn't be modified, it's the modifications we wanted were too big.

But look at it this way: Creepies can have up to eight arms. That's eight Hand Lasers for 2d10 damage each. Say Ellen gets four Creepies. I'll let you do the math.

Though they'll probably need some limbs to walk on, so say we only get two Hand Lasers for each Creepy. Ellen's still got her own crawlin' death squad.

Especially since Tyrfing's already got almost everything we'd need to mass produce them. The only thing left would be the AI and a blueprint for Hand Lasers.

EDIT: Whoops, sorry Krylo.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 08:50 PM

Nope. There's Creepies. And according to Tyrfing's sheet they can be equipped the Hand Lasers. The problem with Guardian Angels isn't so much that they couldn't be modified, it's the modifications we wanted were too big.

But look at it this way: Creepies can have up to eight arms. That's eight Hand Lasers for 2d10 damage each. Say Ellen gets four Creepies. I'll let you do the math.

Though they'll probably need some limbs to walk on, so say we only get two Hand Lasers for each Creepy. Ellen's still got her own crawlin' death squad.

Especially since Tyrfing's already got almost everything we'd need to mass produce them. The only thing left would be the AI and a blueprint for Hand Lasers.Just gonna stop this right here.

Creepies are VERY small. Like mice and ferrets and squirrels.

Hand lasers require a fusion battery each.

You are lucky to be able to fit one into a creepy.

Overcast

05-31-2010, 08:50 PM

I'd prefer controlling how Ants relays the information anyway. Though it is touching you thought of torturing yourself like that. But yes Gem you control your muse, in the same way you control your character I would figure. Rather than PF controlling them so that all the rolls can be relayed into her summation posts. We are going to have to actually think about the fact that we got them in our heads and that they should be aiding us with their sweet sweet skills.

Also I'm an even BIGGER man and can be totally more humble about being wrong...okay that was just silly, but yeah wrongness, nothing shocking. I just love speculating though, it is fun to look toward the stars.

I'm going to be honest, the scene looked way more adorable in my head...damn child morphs.

PhoenixFlame

05-31-2010, 08:50 PM

Someone's forgetting the hand laser runs on a battery installed in the torso, so I hope they can have up to eight torsos too.

Overcast

05-31-2010, 08:51 PM

We totally need to face an Exhuman with eight torsos.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 08:53 PM

Right, so I got a little carried away with Ellen's death squad.

But hey, I can settle for four or five creepies carrying one Hand Laser each.

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 08:56 PM

Overcast, you are so going to get us killed by creating some invincible super enemy making crazy suggestions like that, though it would be something awesome I have to admit.

Also, that's a pretty good way to deal with people you don't know greeting you.

PhoenixFlame

05-31-2010, 08:59 PM

I can't think of many tactical advantages granted by having seven additional torsos.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 09:00 PM

hey, cant I spend a point of moxie to turn that into a 09? I wont this time as I wont waste moxie to avoid damage I should have healed before it comes up, and I doubt it will escelate, just checking

Krylo

05-31-2010, 09:00 PM

I can't think of many tactical advantages granted by having seven additional torsos.

Lots of extra DUR because of all the redundant organ systems?

PhoenixFlame

05-31-2010, 09:02 PM

hey, cant I spend a point of moxie to turn that into a 09? I wont this time as I wont waste moxie to avoid damage I should have healed before it comes up, and I doubt it will escelate, just checking

You could, but it would still be a failure. It'd be a highly successful failure, but Eclipse Phase uses a blackjack system. The higher your roll is, the more likely it is to win in an opposed roll-off, but the less likely you'll get additional success. If you roll low, you'll get a spectacular success, only if your opponent fails (or manages to roll lower). This keeps critical (Correction: Exceptional) hits low among people with high degrees of skill.

That said, spending a point of moxie to dodge a little girl slapping you because you were oogling her inappropriately strikes me as rather trivial.

Krylo: Eh, bleeding... Also you fail biology forever.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 09:14 PM

not sure I understand, but I'll get the hang of it later on. and sorry if I delayed things too much. I thought we were posting as us already being on the station interacting with one another, not in-transit

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 09:17 PM

Haha, you had to put where you were, Nyx hadn't have arrived on the station(not exactly)yet so when you put out there you greeted her, you put yourself in transit.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 09:19 PM

hmm thought it was part of the station, oh well it still works so no big deal

Geminex

05-31-2010, 09:20 PM

how to make the perfect creepy war bot.
Camoflogue spray, give them an explosive payload. Not great for direct combat, but in large-scale urban warfare? I think it'd be effective.

You totally just did, but it's ok. I'm a big man. I can admit when I was wrong about the vaguely defined size of a robot in an RP.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the deafening noise of how wrong you were.
OH MAN SO WRONG.

Oh, and I'm thinking, in combat, it might be a little difficult to have PF get back to us after every roll. Unless we can somehow arrange to all be online at a certain time...

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 09:21 PM

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the deafening noise of how wrong you were.
OH MAN SO WRONG.

You do know you are picking a powerful enemy right?

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 09:22 PM

not too bad, I mean its turn based combat so she can do them all at once. Issue I see though is being able to alter rolls with moxie complicating things since she cant resolve then entire thing at once

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 10:04 PM

Camoflogue spray, give them an explosive payload. Not great for direct combat, but in large-scale urban warfare? I think it'd be effective.

Except, y'know, these are supposed to be bodyguards for Ellen.

But yeah, your idea is pretty cool. And they already come with Chameleon Skin.

I need to find a way to get Ellen in with Tyrfing. Might be hard, considering her whole self-sufficiency thing.

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 10:08 PM

Why not just have her higher a morph bodyguard?

That way she'd have protection and fun!

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 10:16 PM

Hiring a bodyguard could be troublesome. I mean, they're doing top-secret stuff for Firewall. Unless Firewall clears the guy, that'd be a lot of sensitive info to keep on a guy you can't trust to keep his mouth shut. That's why AIs are better. They won't blab, and you can erase their memories,

Also, there's the whole problem about paying the guy. I don't know how our characters are going to get more credits aside from spending Rez points, and I doubt a bodyguard would be cheap anyway.

And she probably wouldn't fuck the bodyguard, unless they decided to make that the payment. Then all it would take is for Firewall to clear them.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 10:16 PM

I'm guessing it'd cost her quite a bit, though. Competent bodyguards don't come cheaply. And even when they do, THEY AREN'T WORTH IT.

I mean, even if we do enter a mission where she's in extraordinary danger, we can just assign her one of our combat guys, to guard her.

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 10:18 PM

How many combat guys do we have? I nominate Daniel!

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 10:18 PM

We have three combat guys and like five squishies.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 10:19 PM

I nominate Henric.

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 10:21 PM

Henric just got decked by our contact, so really, is it really a good idea for someone getting decked by naked girls to guard her? though he does seem to like going near naked girls.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 10:27 PM

Henric just got decked by our contact, so really, is it really a good idea for someone getting decked by naked girls to guard her? though he does seem to like going near naked girls.

Neotenics are light.

She could pick him up and use him as a riot shield.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 10:29 PM

Is Henric a combat guy? I thought he was just Astro-boy. Sort of an all-rounder.

And I think we need to stop talking about naked girls. Naked Neotenics, anyway.

Dracorion

05-31-2010, 10:31 PM

Waaait a minute. There's a character that you dislike more than Ellen?

Clearly, the only logical response is for me to make Ellen even more unlikeable.

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 10:35 PM

Hm, yeah she can use him as a riot shield, provided Ellen can actually hold him up.

No, we're just laughing cause he snuck up on our contact while she was naked and got smacked by her. Damn pervert Neo

Krylo

05-31-2010, 10:44 PM

Waaait a minute. There's a character that you dislike more than Ellen?

Clearly, the only logical response is for me to make Ellen even more unlikeable.

Actually it's a trap.

He's the easiest amongst us to be shot through.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 10:49 PM

Neotenics are light.

She could pick him up and use him as a riot shield.

I dont like where this is going.

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 10:51 PM

I dont like where this is going.

It's alright, I don't think she could actually do that, I on the other hand....hmm, that actually might work for charging you know.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 10:53 PM

It's alright, I don't think she could actually do that, I on the other hand....hmm, that actually might work for charging you know.
Ahem:
Actually it's a trap.

He's the easiest amongst us to be shot through.

Though I guess it would give you a 14 armor bonus even if they did shoot through him.

Edit: First time we egocast or end up resleeving for any other reason, Henric is so going to ask to be shoved into something huge like a novacrab or worker pod.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 10:55 PM

that and if he tries it, well hackers are the ones best equiped to deliver perma-death

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 10:56 PM

Ahem:

Though I guess it would give you a 14 armor bonus even if they did shoot through him.

Edit: First time we egocast or end up resleeving for any other reason, Henric is so going to ask to be shoved into something huge like a novacrab or worker pod.

Well, I just need him during the distance closing, and if he stops a few bullets, the better, then I can throw his lifeless husk at the enemy for fun.

Krylo

05-31-2010, 10:57 PM

Use your first rez points for "Exotic Melee Weapon" with a specialization in Neotenics.

Overcast

05-31-2010, 10:58 PM

Make him a novacrab, Desmond needs a mount.

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 10:58 PM

Use your first rez points for "Exotic Melee Weapon" with a specialization in Neotenics.

Good idea, then I could totally use him as a club before throwing him.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 11:00 PM

everyones against me :(

Krylo

05-31-2010, 11:01 PM

Make him a novacrab, Desmond needs a mount.

...

http://images.mmosite.com/news/2009/12/18/kungfoo/kungfoosrc1.jpg

...

YES

krogothwolf

05-31-2010, 11:02 PM

Man, that would be so awesome! Do it Henric, make yourself a mount so I can ride in battle gloriously! Or else I'm turning you into a club like weapon.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 11:05 PM

I still think we should be firing Henric from a cannon.

rapter200

05-31-2010, 11:08 PM

That would be a hilarious sight to behold, riding a novacrab into battle. Drive me closer so I can hit them with my sword and all.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 11:10 PM

yea, I doubt PF would like me to completely rebuild my character

Krylo

05-31-2010, 11:12 PM

The Novacrab should have both its pincers as Cyberlimb Plus, each with pneumatic systems, and integrated plasma rifles.

Edit: You don't have to completely rebuild it. Just the next time you die, get a totally awesome novacrab morph.

Aerozord

05-31-2010, 11:13 PM

if I was gonna go crab, I'd stick with super claws because nothing more satisfying then cutting enemies in half.

also, calling him Citizen Snipps

Krylo

05-31-2010, 11:14 PM

if I was gonna go crab, I'd stick with super claws because nothing more satisfying then cutting enemies in half.

also, calling him Citizen Snipps
But they'd still be super claws.

They'd just be giant ROBOT super claws with plasma rifles mounted on them. And an extra 10 SOM and +1d10 damage.

Geminex

05-31-2010, 11:14 PM

... Pimp My Morph, anyone? With your host, Xhuman!

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 06:35 AM

... I miss the days when we would talk about Ellen's bodyguards.

Mostly because there was a chance that it would benefit me.

Geminex

06-01-2010, 08:32 AM

Relax, Ellen will be fine.
...
Or maybe not, but if she won't be, then bodyguards probably wouldn't have helped her anyway. And hey, maybe, somewhere, out there, there's a combat-heavy ego, with a pimped out Reaper Morph, that's just itching to get out there and protect a self-centered bitch!
I believe in you, Drac. And I believe that somewhere in the solar system, there's a bodyguard for you. So follow your dreams. And if you hear a soft chuckle behind you, don't turn around. It definitely won't be me aiming a gun at your head. Hypothetically. In-character, of course. Yeah.

Anyway, also, I'm reworking my background. Again. For the better, though! It might actually be plausible this time.

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 08:44 AM

Hey, you don't know if bodyguards could've helped. And the best bodyguard for Ellen is probably a Fury, anyway. I mean, Reapers are probably better defensively, but a Fury would work well with Ellen.

And more importantly, can you imagine what the sex would be like? Ellen and the Fury fighting to be on top? Best sex ever.

Your background is already plausible. The only problem is your guy is a little too human despite being raised by people who have no interest in being like humans. But just a little.

Geminex

06-01-2010, 08:51 AM

Well, the entire idea is that they abandoned him because he was getting too human. Lemme make a few more posts, I need to get used to Spectre. I'm still too much in Impact-mode...

And you think the backstory's fine? I was gonna rearrange it, so he starts as a human among Mercurials, and then forms an isolate group, but still as a member of the Mercurial faction. Said group would have the purpose of reconditioning its human members to become inhuman. It'd probably be started just to prove a point, and fit in with Mercurials, and then either be taken over, or develope naturally towards creating special forces. I almost have it all mapped out. Though it'd require me to take the "edited memories" negative trait. I'd probably just replace my level-3 black mark with a level-2.

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 08:52 AM

Well, to be honest what I remember from your backstory is "kidnapped by Mercurials, trained to be less human, turned into special ops, abandoned by Mercurials, wants his morph back".

I liked it. It was simple.

PhoenixFlame

06-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Ellen and the Fury fighting to be on top?

Ellen would quickly learn to like being a sub, or somehow achieve an unarmed combat skill of over 9000 if she wanted any chance whatsoever.

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 11:04 AM

You'd think so. Hell, my money would be on the Fury as well.

But as it turns out Ellen has some pretty underhanded tricks.

PhoenixFlame

06-01-2010, 06:29 PM

Okay, the game is now on, and I shall hope to ramp up some more steam as soon as humanly possible.

That said, you may all arrive and be greeted in your post, go ahead, take a seat, look around, talk to each other... The works.

Geminex

06-01-2010, 07:12 PM

Consider that furies are usually female (so Ellen would have to be male), I really can't think of any potentially useful tricks.

But then again, I'm no super-sexual seductress.

Edit: And cool, new post. Lemme see if I can make Spectre less human this time.

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 07:13 PM

No, no you're not.

(As a sidenote, Ellen has a Sex Switch implant, remember?)

I'm assuming we're heading off as soon as the briefing is over, right PF?

krogothwolf

06-01-2010, 07:51 PM

It doesn't even look like Ellen overly cares what she does it with anyways, male or female. So unless she has to she might not even bother with the Sex Switch, least that how it seems.

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 09:35 PM

She might go perma-herm for Fury sex. She'd consider it a challenge.

Krylo

06-01-2010, 09:43 PM

Hey, guys, you know how we were talking about that nova crab with plasma claws?

Well I went and pimped your morph! And it only cost 110000 credits!

Meet... CITIZEN SNIPS! (Yes I know Aero said it first, but so did Futurama and fuck you I'm stealing it).

Citizen Snips was born on a scum barge and skinned into a novacrab at a young age to do repairs to the outside of the ship and stations they stopped at, but Mr. Snips soon grew tired of his work, and elected to heavily modify his morph and become the system's premier crab shaped body guard and force for justice.

Now he travels the solar system with his massive pneumatic claws, ready to snip injustice in the bud. He fights for truth, honor, and the autonomist way!

krogothwolf

06-01-2010, 09:48 PM

Krylo, that is awesome!

Geminex

06-01-2010, 10:05 PM

"Art: Pottery"?

Really, Krylo?
Really?

Also, you can only spend up to 100 CP on credits.

I love it's motivations, though. -Crab fishing.

Someone needs to play that thing.

krogothwolf

06-01-2010, 10:10 PM

It's already been decided, Henric is going to be that after I destroy his Neo using it as a club and projectile weapon.

Geminex

06-01-2010, 10:16 PM

Neotenic (Exotic melee weapon):
AP: -2
DV: 2d10+1+(SOM/3)
Notes: Enemies must make a WILx3 save or be incapacitated by laughter. Ineffective on synthmorphs.

And hey, I don't think he has the stats for it.
...
'fcourse, maybe we could mount a turret on top as well.

Krylo

06-01-2010, 10:22 PM

"Art: Pottery"?

Really, Krylo?
Really?It made more sense than singing.

Also, you can only spend up to 100 CP on credits.
I never said it was legal!

Also, you could easily drop the kick gland to get it down to just barely legal.

'fcourse, maybe we could mount a turret on top as well. No. That's where Desmond's chair goes.

Also you can't put weapon mounts on biomorphs. It's a pretty big gray area just putting them on its robot claws.

Aerozord

06-01-2010, 10:27 PM

It's already been decided, Henric is going to be that after I destroy his Neo using it as a club and projectile weapon.

only if you pay for it all and I am given free reign to cry out CRAB BATTLE during combat

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 11:00 PM

Oh Butler, I think I like you better than Ellen.

Butler's doing a Research check for Ghostrider Modules and Security AIs, by the way.

krogothwolf

06-01-2010, 11:08 PM

Ellen is such a bitch to poor little Butler haha.

Also Aero, you totally have to go "Crab People, Crab People" as you march around then we'd be set.

Krylo

06-01-2010, 11:09 PM

I am given free reign to cry out CRAB BATTLE during combat

That is one of the professions of the NPC I designed for that morph.

Geminex

06-01-2010, 11:10 PM

It made more sense than singing.
No it didn't! I could almost imagine him singing, at worst he'd be doing so in VR. But pottery? You can't do pottery in VR, pottery's a very physical art. So what's he going to mold the clay with, will power? Will he just shoot the clay with his plasma rifles until there's nothing left, and then shoot any art critics who don't like it? WHAT IS THIS?

Anyway, post almost done.

Dracorion

06-01-2010, 11:10 PM

... I think I've just decided to make Butler into an evil AI trying to take over Ellen's body.

Krylo

06-01-2010, 11:13 PM

No it didn't! I could almost imagine him singing, at worst he'd be doing so in VR. But pottery? You can't do pottery in VR, pottery's a very physical art. So what's he going to mold the clay with, will power? Will he just shoot the clay with his plasma rifles until there's nothing left, and then shoot any art critics who don't like it? WHAT IS THIS?

Well I figured he'd use the, and I quote, "dexterous manipulatory digits on their [his] fifth set of limbs," but I like your idea better.

Geminex

06-02-2010, 12:42 AM

Screw your digits. A giant crab isn't humorous, unless it doesn't have anything but huge claws to manipulate stuff with.

And I wasn't quite happy with that post either, but I'm getting there. I'm still too used to Impact, from Umbral.

Aerozord

06-02-2010, 12:59 AM

manipulate stuff? I'm a giant cyborg crab, using those, what do you call them, doors? Yea screw that, I go kool-aid man on that wall. Whose gonna stop me? I'M A GIANT CYBORG CRAB

Geminex

06-02-2010, 06:07 AM

With my demo skill, can I create my own explosives design? Or only already-existing bombs? And I can create grenades as well, right? Seekers too?

Dracorion

06-02-2010, 06:46 AM

Beats me. Even if you could, who the hell is going to use those seeker missiles and grenades?

More importantly, I don't think you even have the machine you need for that.

You know, technically Ellen arrived at the meeting at 8:01. Because Ellen is not late, everyone else is just early.

Geminex

06-02-2010, 08:59 AM

You know, technically Ellen arrived at the meeting at 8:01. Because Ellen is not late, everyone else is just early.
WOW LOOK AT ME NOT CARING. MAN THIS IS SOME SWEET INDIFFERENCE.

More importantly, I don't think you even have the machine you need for that.
Where does the manual mention a machine associated with demolitions? Or any equipment, for that matter? I assume that if we can't buy it, we don't need it.

Is there a specific skill associated with grenade use?

Dracorion

06-02-2010, 09:02 AM

Throwing weapons.

Making stuff, y'know, making stuff, usually involves nanofabricators like the General Hive that Tyrfing has. I mean, I suppose you could maybe put them together yourself, but nanofabrication makes it so much easier because all you have to do is find whatever crap people throw out, put it in the gizmo, upload the blueprint into the gizmo and BAM!

Geminex

06-02-2010, 09:06 AM

All the legal nanofabricators can't make explosives, I think. Weapons yes, explosives, no. You'd need to hack one to get it to work, and if you fail, there goes your fabricator.

I was gonna nanofabricate the ingredients (the manual says you can do that), put the explosives together myself. The manual seemed to expect me to.
All hail the might manual.

Unless, PF, I can let the fabricator do all the work and just shape and plant the charges myself? Cause that would be convenient.

Aerozord

06-02-2010, 12:47 PM

With my demo skill, can I create my own explosives design? Or only already-existing bombs? And I can create grenades as well, right? Seekers too?

thats why I took chemistry, so I know what goes boom. That plus nanofabber equals theoretically limitless supply of explossives. I say theoretic because I still need compounds. Still simple ones aren't that hard to come across, nitrogen, potassium, sodium, ect are all found in organic matter. Sulfer and phosphoros will be abit harder but still not that rare. Heck find me some magnesium and I can even make flash gernades