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Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 01:44 AM
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0807/mudkipz-demotivational-poster-1215017108.jpg
Yes, we know it's actually a Swampert.
Anyways, is that your final answer? I'm still not entirely sure what your strategy is, which is why I wished for it to be in orange. The color of Impact and Major Grant. The color of sunshine...on occasion.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 01:47 AM
I'm still discussing with Menarker.
Give us a few more minutes? I think we're coming to a close, here.
And you're right, I did use to make Impact orange, didn't I? Awesome. His Word is Law.
Edit:
and for Menarker's convenience, I'm reposting my last post from the other thread here:
AB said that you can't use your Co-Op technique if they are knocked out. They can still use it if they not the active battlers or so, and status affliction like Flinch shouldn't be a problem. But knocked out stops it.
Riiight... then how about this:
Moon: Lanturn's Signal Beam at Gardenoir, Fathom to use Helping Hand on Impact.
Rachel: Leave combat to use two rage rockets on Impact. Leaves combat, so hopefully immune to damage.
Impact: Dark ambition, leaving him with 0 Rage. Use second adrenaline boost. Attack Frossqueen with Flamethrower. STAB super-effective. Request Swarm Bow in exchange for Flamethrower. Request bug-immune armor.
Charlotte: Spitz' Super Fang on Pegidash, Hammond to use Stone Edge on Pegidash.
Renny: Use Serene blessing (Charlotte's enforcer, Shannon, and Milsha to spend 35 rage to extend protection to Matt and Impact) Mollesk to use Rock Slide on Frossqueen and Altarisect, Swampert to Mimic Stone Edge on Frossqueen. We can test flinching another time.
Pierce: Blaziken with Overheat on Frosqueen, Tyranitar divide Stone edge on Pegidash and Altarisect (for 25 RPs)
Harliette: Mineral shot on Pegidash, instead of deploying second pokemon, use SigTech, "Desparado". Blissey's sing, also on Regina,
Matt: Venomoth form, use sleep powder on Regina
Wilhelmina: Nether Shot on Frossqueen.
Trainer attacks: Hit Pegidash, or, if that's dead, hit Frosqueen.
If it turns out that we need Pierce's technique next turn, Rachel can just revive his two pokemon (if they even die!), to give him the necessary rage. She can spend 25 rage to use extra items, so even is she does use her 2-item limit this way, she could still keep spreading the love, 25 rage to revive Harliette, another 25 to buff Renny.
It we don't need the technique, then we didn't waste rage protecting the 2 mons.
And besides, if we do it this way, then Harliette can use her technique this turn, and, if it turns out to have been effective, next turn as well.
Not to mention that we're weakening Altarisect already.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 01:52 AM
*Chuckles at the pic as Renny's Swampert smirks too.*
Anyhow, Gem, in regards to your last post, don't forget that each time we're losing pokemons, we're also dipping our morale gauge lower. I don't want it to go down too low since there doesn't seem to be a way to bring it back up easily. (We can bring them down too, but bringing it up is not as easy.) There are penalties for being too far down the morale gauge after all. I'd still think that Protecting would allow us to balance that, since we don't know their overall offensive power.
Otherwise, I would be fine with the plan.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 01:53 AM
Then I'll post with that plan set.
This is gonna be fun.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 01:59 AM
In regards to morale: Even if we dipped below 50, it wouldn't be too bad. We'd get extra rage generation, for one. That'd be useful.
And besides, you fought a battle against cultists, didn't you? How many pokemon of theirs did you have to knock out before their rage dropped below 50?
Menarker
06-03-2010, 02:04 AM
Well, that worked out less than expected, since the ones who fled were mainly the ones who had almost lost all their pokemons in the first place.
Still, Fear would suck on the Morale Scale.
But yeah, looking forward to AB's post.
And I wonder how AB will describe Renny and Togekiss's combination move, Serene Blessing. Hugs and billowing light that look like feathers all around and such? ^,^
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 02:06 AM
I'll uhhh...do what I can.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 02:07 AM
AB, make it tortured screaming.
And could Impact request Lexhur's support?
Menarker
06-03-2010, 02:09 AM
AB, make it tortured screaming.
Hell no. What sort of relationship you think they got going? Heck, you could imagine the fact that it drains Rage points from certain allies as a sort of calming influence that somehow doubles as divine protection like the semi-angelic pokemon it is.
Although Charlotte/Impact/Pierce's reaction to it might very well be screams...
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 02:11 AM
It'll probably end up with there being nekkid females in all the feathery fluff bullshit. After all, it is an Armored Bishoujo RP.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 02:12 AM
...That would be cool actually. Make if happen, if you wish. ^^
Geminex
06-03-2010, 02:14 AM
Wait, wait wait wait.
Renny's puny little 70-RP technique gets naked girls, while Impact's technique only involves him laughing evilly? The fuck?
Menarker
06-03-2010, 02:16 AM
Maybe they are ANGELS! *Eyes sparkle with purity and innocence and wonder.*
"But you seen angels already! What about Kirie?"
*Wince and curl up in a fetal position.*
But seriously, let's see what AB makes. ^^ After all, Impact and Matthias are getting the benefits out of it as well as Renny and his pokemons.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 02:18 AM
Ok, then why're they naked?
Gah. I should totally get a discount on my technique for lack of nakedness.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 02:31 AM
Relax, Gem. When you're all grown up and demonic and evil, then you've pretty much have armies of militant bitches in shiny black leather and polished steel bustiers on one side and legions of sexy, deadly succubi on the other. Y'know, if you want.
And if you're complaining about lack of nakedness for your SignTech, I suppose you could get naked. Pokemon Umbral could use more comedy.
EDIT: Speaking of which, who is Charlotte's Enforcer, anyways?
Menarker
06-03-2010, 02:35 AM
Shannon. Bard picked her for irony, attempted murder and all that. That and she combos with Moon and being a trainer, she's good for stalling for time.
Anyhow, I'm off for bed. Good night! Looking forward to the new post! ^^
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 02:44 AM
In hindsight, if Moon didn't hook up with Shannon, I have a bizarre feeling that Charlotte would have. All good shoujo-ai relationships start with one trying to murder the other, right?
Geminex
06-03-2010, 02:45 AM
Relax, Gem. When you're all grown up and demonic and evil, then you've pretty much have armies of militant bitches in shiny black leather and polished steel bustiers on one side and legions of sexy, deadly succubi on the other. Y'know, if you want.
I was thinking of Impact using and army of Deputies. Just super-competent, brainwashed individuals who report directly to him and have a lot of power. There'd be, say, 1000 of them, all of them with different roles and responsibility, anything from military command to political administration. If one arrives on scene, beware. You are likely very screwed.
And sure, some of those could be half-demonic seductresses. Probably they'd be among his personal bodyguard.
Edit:
In hindsight, if Moon didn't hook up with Shannon, I have a bizarre feeling that Charlotte would have. All good shoujo-ai relationships start with one trying to murder the other, right?
Hey, it could still happen. In fact, it might be beneficial. If Moon marries the rest of his Harem, he'd have tremendous power. Impact could manipulate him to use said power for his own ends. But for Moon to marry the rich girls, Shannon would have to be unavalaible. Now, just need a way to make Shannon unavailable. How to achieve that?
...
Oh Ba-aaard I have a mission for Charlotte!
Menarker
06-03-2010, 02:46 AM
BTW Gem, your last IC post is weird at the end. Because you had Impact end his action with attempting to use the Ice Slayer weapon on Artarisect (back when we all thought it was quad weak to ice) but our current plan is now having him using the Fire weapon on Frosqueen. Edit that a tiny bit?
Geminex
06-03-2010, 02:48 AM
Ah, yeah. Thanks.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 03:00 AM
Harliette can't attack twice in the same turn. Use Mineral Shot on Pegidash or Desperado?
Geminex
06-03-2010, 03:01 AM
Can't she attack normally, and sacrifice a pokemon's action to use her technique? Isn't that what you said?
I might've misunderstodd... If so, I'll have to rewrite a bit of stuff.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 03:02 AM
No. I keel you for thinking so.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 03:04 AM
...
Oh come on! An action's an action! Does it matter whether it's pokemon or her own?
God, man. You need to tell us these things. THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 03:06 AM
She can sacrifice a Pokemon's action if she has two out so she can use an item. Not a SignTech. You do know this, you're just a big meanie who complains about there not being naked girls in his SignTechs.
Hey, there's another Pokemon Umbral motto. I can create a good number of these:
- Pokemon Umbral: We Set the Standard In Having No Standards
- Pokemon Umbral: Your Special Moves May Feature Nekkid Girls!
- Pokemon Umbral: Pretty Soon It Won't Even Be About the Pokemon Anymore
Geminex
06-03-2010, 03:11 AM
Then have Harliette pay the 70 RPs instead to Protect both of Pierce's pokemon.
You do know this, you're just a big meanie who complains about there not being naked girls in his SignTechs.
I challenge the first bit. I thought action was action, it didn't matter if it was a human's or a pokemon's. Though it does make sense.
The second bit is true in its entirety.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 03:20 AM
Protect Pierce's Pokemon, aye aye.
Incidentally, I've got duty tomorrow, which'll give you guys time to formulate a strategy based on what is posted tonight. I won't know the actual results until I'm finished with the post, myself.
Also incidentally, wanna have a second of Harliette's Pokemon do something? She does Mineral Shot on Pegidash, Blissey sings at Regina. Want another Pokemon to do something else?
Geminex
06-03-2010, 03:26 AM
Oh, yeah, sure. She has Illumise, doesn't she? Bug buzz on Gardenoir, please.
And cool. We can probably use the extra time.
By your estimate, how badly are we going to get hurt? On a scale from 1 to 10?
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 03:34 AM
Well, with all the protection, you should come out with relatively minimal damage while they waste their Rage trying to impress you.
So...over 9000?
- Pokemon Umbral: Where Internet Memes Go To Die
See? They write themselves!
But it shouldn't be too ridiculous. This battle won't go on for too many rounds before something wonderful happens.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 03:40 AM
I'm going to assume that by "Something wonderful" you mean "Lexhur".
Or perhaps you mean "Gardenoir and Lopunnish suddenly go in heat".
...
And would it be racist to demand that Muon and Pegidash enter a rap-off? It'd totally be in-character.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 03:47 AM
I may be able to do an omake tomorrow where Muon and Pegidash spit some mad rhymes.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 03:52 AM
Mad. Can Dave (http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Dave_Strider) Cameo in it, for a Crowning Moment of Awesome?
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 03:58 AM
No copyrighted characters will be used in the spittin' of these rhymes.
'Sides, I kinda don't even know who that is.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 04:13 AM
He is so cool.
Also, he has some pretty sweet sunglasses. And pretty sweet rhymes. And he's ironic.
But ok, Muon and Pegidash are sufficient.
Not allow me to stop distracting you.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 04:32 AM
Post is done. Expect some very big, very comical and ridiculously over-the-top attacks to come next Enemy Phase.
Impact can consider himself having the Swarm Bow and Pesticide Layer for the next Ally Phase.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 04:59 AM
Shizzlemah-licious.
But what the...?
How're they avoiding attacks? What rules govern that?
And HOW'RE THEY REVIVING? What rules govern that?
Edit: Ok, AB's abandoned us to our fates, so here's what I think:
Each of them is immune to either phsyical or special damge. Pegidash never got hit by the stone edges cause they're physical. Harliette's bullets (special) hit it, though. I'd assume it's immune to phsycial.
If we had tried to use physical attacks on Frosqueen, I'm guessing they would've been avoided. It's only vulnerable to special.
Gardenoir, on the other hand, avoided Bug Buzz. Bug Buzz is special. So I'm guessing gardenoir can only be damaged by physical attacks. This sucks, because Impact's Swarm Bow? It's special.
Altarisect should also be invulneralbe to special attacks, since Tyranitar's split (physical) Stone edge can hit it.
Not sure about Seacalibur or Lopunnish... We need to experiment.
And this is just speculation on my part...
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 07:22 AM
Okay, seriously. Gardenoir is a fucking cheater. Though, I imagine we may be able to hit her with multi-target special attacks.
Another alternative? Have Matthias use Disable to lock out her Teleport.
How's the enemy formation looking now? because if it's still relatively the same, then I got to yell at Geminex for something:
Why in the hell did you have Pierce use Divide? He doesn't get any RPs for that shit, you know! Now he's stuck at 70! If you had just let him target Pegidash, he could've used Hellfire this turn. Now, you fucking better use a Rage Rocket on Pierce, or I swear I'm going to make you into Tyranitar's and Blaziken's new anal toy.
My guess? Gardenoir, Lopunnish and Altarisect are preparing some kinda Signature Sequence. Have Harliette call out Wormadam, have it use Bug Bite on Gardenoir. Replace Charlotte with Shannon, use her use Florescence's X-Scissor and and something else with a physical Bug-type attack.
Pierce is going to be using Hellfire. If Regina is still next to Gardevoir, she's going to wake up. Target her with some kinda ice or water attack to cancel burn, then have Harliette's Blissey put her back to sleep.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 07:41 AM
Why in the hell did you have Pierce use Divide? He doesn't get any RPs for that shit, you know! Now he's stuck at 70! If you had just let him target Pegidash, he could've used Hellfire this turn. Now, you fucking better use a Rage Rocket on Pierce, or I swear I'm going to make you into Tyranitar's and Blaziken's new anal toy.
Well duh. Renny's been itching to use his Prosperous gifts, and he should be allowed to. Rage rockets for everyone!
And besides, if Pokegeddon had done what they were supposed to, and used all their RPs early in the battle, then Pierce's pokemon would all have died. Pierce would have had to revive them. That would have given him 50 RPs. If I hadn't used those 25 RPs, and he would have done the whole revival thing, most of those 50 would have been wasted. I did the right thing.
Anyway... Eh. I think you can probably use your uber-technique. But let's see what else is happening, first. Organize.
I also assume they intend to Syncstrike, let's prevent that. Preferrably by killing most of them. My only problem is that, well, we don't know Lopunish's or Seacalibur's resistancse. So we may have to limit ourselves to just getting two kills. Those being Gardenoir and Altarisect. If we kill those two, even with the other two revivals, we'll just get hit by two signature techinques.
And I'll see about Regina...
I mean, d'you think three bug attacks will be enough to kill Gardenoir? If Harliette uses an X-scissor, Matt does too and we follow up with a mimic by Swampert. Then trainer attacks as well... that could work. And your signature technique might as well...
And where do you think would Impact's attacks best be allocated?
I think we can make this work...
Edit:
Another alternative? Have Matthias use Disable to lock out her Teleport.
Yeah. I don't think that'll work.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 07:53 AM
Pierce's pokemon wouldn't have died, because you had Harliette expend RPs to protect them! Bad move!
Okay, by the way, Frossqueen was not immune to physical attacks either because she was hit by Mollesk's Rock Slide and Swampert's Stone Edge.
If Seaking is Water/Steel, it'll be vulnerable to Fighting and Electric. If Lopunnish is Normal/Fighting, she'll be vulnerable to Fighting and Psychic.
Why the hell not? Teleport is technically the last move Gardenoir used. I don't think tossing a greatscythe counts, anyway. I think it's worth a try. We were able to put Regina to sleep, so maybe we can do statuses on the rest of them too. I say we have Matthias try Disable.
We should try to test if flinching works, because then we can use Pierce's Signature Sequence and fuck 'em up bad.
Harliette can have Wormadam use Bug Bite and Vespiquen use Attack Order. We replace Charlotte with Shannon, have her use Florescence's X-Scissor and I don't think she has any more Bug-type moves. That's three quad-effective Bug-type attacks. Plus Swampert's Mimic. We have Renny deploy Magnezone and have it use Mimic as well. That's five quad-effective attacks, plus Pierce's Hellfire. Gardenoir should drop fucking dead right there.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 08:19 AM
That's actually a good point. Then how did some of them avoid attacks, while others didn't? Can you find a way to explain that? It could be that they're just immune to anything quadruply effective.
And we need to come up with a SigSeq for Charlotte. She has a lot of RPs, and I don't wanna use future shock.
If Seaking is Water/Steel, it'll be vulnerable to Fighting and Electric. If Lopunnish is Normal/Fighting, she'll be vulnerable to Fighting and Psychic.
...
Tell me. Is there anything else I could have meant by "resistance". Y'know, besides the completely obvious thing? Lopunnish is also weak to ruin, by the way. And I have Ruin.
Why the hell not? Teleport is technically the last move Gardenoir used. I don't think tossing a greatscythe counts, anyway. I think it's worth a try. We were able to put Regina to sleep, so maybe we can do statuses on the rest of them too. I say we have Matthias try Disable.
AB's post says
Pokemon didn't know how to apply Teleport to actually dodging attacks, so how did-?
That seems to indicate that it seemed to be teleport, but couldn't have been. I think disable wouldn't be of that much value to us.
We should try to test if flinching works, because then we can use Pierce's Signature Sequence and fuck 'em up bad.
I was considering that. The problem is, the only way to actually get flinching with a 100% chance is by having one of Renny's mons use air slash on Lopunnish. If lopunnish is immune to that, we'll either have to risk it, or use Pierce's RPs another way.
Harliette can have Wormadam use Bug Bite and Vespiquen use Attack Order. We replace Charlotte with Shannon, have her use Florescence's X-Scissor and I don't think she has any more Bug-type moves. That's three quad-effective Bug-type attacks. Plus Swampert's Mimic. We have Renny deploy Magnezone and have it use Mimic as well. That's five quad-effective attacks, plus Pierce's Hellfire. Gardenoir should drop fucking dead right there.
Yeah. You're over-employing resources here. Renny's gonna use prosperous gifts. That means he's already used an action. He only gets one second action, either to use air slash, or to use mimic for a bug move.
Also, you want Harliette to deploy Blissey, yes? That means she can only contribute one. And depending on what we do with Charlotte, we might not want to switch her with Shannon.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 08:33 AM
Lopunnish's resitances: Bug, Dark and Rock.
Seacalibur's resistances: Bug, Dark, Dragon, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ice (double resistance), Normal, Psychic, Rock and Steel (double resistance).
Not necessarily. Pegidash didn't dodge Harliette's Mineral Shot, so I'm sure it's only immune to physical attacks.
Gardenoir might be immune to physical attacks as well, if only because there's no reason she shouldn't be able to tele-dodge them like she dodged the special attacks. By the way, if she's not using Teleport, then what the hell is she doing?
AB's post said that pokemon didn't know how to use Teleport to dodge, but that might mean that Gardenoir simply learned how to do it. Again, freak DNA spliced pokesapiens.
Let's go by the assumption that Matthias Disabling her Teleport would work. We could attack with: Harliette's Vespiquen uses Attack Order, Impact uses Swarm Bow, Moon's Lanturn uses Signal Beam, Pierce's Hellfire. If Gardenoir survives, she'll be critically damaged. Send any random attack her way to finish her off.
If we decide not to use Disable, we can have: Harliette's Vespiquen using Attack Order, Renny's Swampert and Magnezone use Mimic, Pierce uses Hellfire. If Gardenoir survives, she'll be critically damaged. Send any random attack her way to finish her off.
We can also test Flinch by having one of Renny's pokemon use Air Slash on Altarisect.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 08:55 AM
Lopunnish's resitances: Bug, Dark and Rock.
Seacalibur's resistances: Bug, Dark, Dragon, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ice (double resistance), Normal, Psychic, Rock and Steel (double resistance).
By "resistance" I meant "attack type to which they are immune". I'd happily give Lopunnish a barrelfull of ruin damage, if there wasn't the possibility that she's immune to special attacks, and would utterly avoid it.
I'm not sure whether you're trying to antagonise me here or if this was an honest mistake, I'm too tired for it to matter.
I'm also too tired to write up a plan, so lemme just designate some stuff...
Objectives this turn:
Kill Gardenoir (3 quad-effective attacks, 2 if Impact participates)
Kill Altarisect (4 super-effective attacks, 3 if Harliette participates)
Keep Regina asleep (shouldn't be too hard. I'd actually recommend that you use your technique on Seacalibur, Lopunnish and Gardenoir, there we'd actually benefit from the burn/inner bleeding. We can kill Altarisect normally)
Try to fllinch/otherwise incapacitate Seacalibur and Lopunnish (Air slash on lopunnish, plus, of course, Pierce's co-op)
But really, the most important thing is to find a good way to explain our opponents' doding attacks, and considering how to adjust our tactics. Lollies for the one who comes up with the best model! My special/phsyical might work (though apparently not for frosqueen), but come up with some other stuff, if you can. Maybe there's a logical explanation
One more note, moon could construct again, next turn. What shall we have him make?
And one more, don't you dare write too much while I'm asleep. Seriously, I keel you. And if you do write too much, at least make suggestions pertaining to above strategy?
And Bard, start coming up with ways for Charlotte to seduce Shannon. I want some ideas when I wake up!
And why yes, I am mad with power. Now do as I say.
And goodnight.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 08:57 AM
We have Renny deploy Magnezone and have it use Mimic as well. That's five quad-effective attacks, plus Pierce's Hellfire. Gardenoir should drop fucking dead right there.
Ah.... no. Magnezone's Attack Stat sucks. The only thing that Magnezone is going to mimic is special attack stat or support moves.
Also, Swampert's Mimic is stuck on Stone Edge until it is switched out. That pretty much how it works. It's like a Sketch that reset itself once the pokemon leaves the battlefield.
BTW, since Medics (Rachel) have umlimited items, We could probably use that Rage Drain item on them to reduce their rage to more manageable levels... You know, if we could get enough rage to pile that stuff on.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 09:15 AM
And I'm the one you're worried about going power-crazy.
Right, so, going by Impact's plan:
Rachel uses two Rage Rockets on Renny bringing him up to 80 Rage. Renny uses Prosperous Gifts.
Gardenoir: Matthias uses Disable to remove her Teleport. Vespiquen uses Attack Order, Illumise uses Bug Buzz, Impact uses Swarm Bow. Pierce uses Hellfire.
Altarisect: Aria's Ice Beam, Moon constructs Ice Evolith and it uses Ice Beam, Fathom's Ice Beam. Harliette uses Mineral Shot.
Seacalibur: Buck's Fire Fang (testing: I'm guessing Seacalibur will prove immune to physical attacks). Pierce's Hellfire.
Lopunnish: Togekiss' Air Slash (100% flinch), Moon's Poliwrath uses Dynamic Punch (Lopunnish might prove immune to special attacks). Pierce's Hellfire.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 09:24 AM
Drac, if Lopunnish is pretty certain to be immune to Special Attack as you say, why have Togekiss attack with Air Slash (a special move)? Or you just testing and hoping one or the other works?
Geminex
06-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Ok, I have time for one more post.
Rage rockets on Renny+Prosperous gifts is fine.
But if we just have Matt use a bug-type attack, he wouldn't really need disable.
Make it matt with U-turn (or bug bite), Vespiqueen with attack order and Wormadam with bug bite, and hellfire to finish it off, that should work. No need for Impact either, I hope.
And if you're still worried, just have Matt paradigm shift, as well.
As for your attacks on Altarisect... I'd really prefer to go for another few stone edges there. I don't know if it's immune to special attacks, but if it is? We'd be wasting 4 attacks. Dammit. When AB's on, see if you can torture the info out of him.
I like the last two, teast seacalibur, test Lopunnish.
You haven't allocated trainer attacks, yet, or said what moon should build.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Yep.
Although looking back, I'm thinking Lopunnish might be immune to physical instead. Her weaknesses are Fighting and Flying, and she's got all that armor.
Right, I forgot. But if Altarisect is immune to specials, that's a problem. The only physical Ice-type move we have is Pike's Ice Fang.
I'm still not sure physical attacks will even hit Gardenoir, Gem. But whatever:
Rachel uses two Rage Rockets on Renny bringing him up to 80 Rage. Renny uses Prosperous Gifts.
Gardenoir: Matthias uses Bug Bite, Vespiquen uses Attack Order, Wormadam uses Bug Bite. Pierce uses Hellfire.
Altarisect: Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Moon constructs Ice Evolith and it uses Ice Beam, Pike's Ice Fang. Harliette uses Mineral Shot.
Seacalibur: Crawdaunt's Crabhammer (testing: I'm guessing Seacalibur will prove immune to physical attacks). Pierce's Hellfire.
Lopunnish: Togekiss' Air Slash (100% flinch), Moon's Poliwrath uses Dynamic Punch (Lopunnish might prove immune to special attacks). Pierce's Hellfire.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 09:36 AM
Btw, shouldn't we do something about Manaphy? It can switch stat bonuses around completely. So if we leave that alive, buff techniques will be stolen and given to Pokegeddon. Gem's Dark Ambition for example could go to Gardenoir or whatever. I don't like her getting +3 to all stats.
The way the battle is going, it almost seems as if the point of the battle IS to spread damage around and have to knock them all out in the same time frame. (Due to that revival thing going on. We don't even know if there is a rage cost for it or a limit of sort)
Anyhow, if Mollesk lasts one turn more, he can active defender's Crest. Power Trick / Testament Drive anyhow? Hell, it's a bug type as well. Maybe bug type Testament Drive with very high attack power. It WOULD be stronger if Mollesk could use Cosmic Power this turn(it would likely live longer too this turn too as a result.) Manaphy however is a concern due to its Heart Swap.
Although, if I have to, I could switch Swampert with Shaymin, Seed Flare for Super Effective Damage with 160% chance of making it lose 2 Special Defence, thus weakening it to other moves like Thunder
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 09:42 AM
You need an extra action to use Prosperous Gifts, Menarker.
Rachel uses two Rage Rockets on Renny bringing him up to 80 Rage. Renny uses Prosperous Gifts.
Gardenoir: Matthias uses Bug Bite, Vespiquen uses Attack Order, Wormadam uses Bug Bite. Pierce uses Hellfire. Charlotte's Trainer Attack. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Altarisect: Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Moon constructs Ice Evolith and it uses Ice Beam, Pike's Ice Fang. Harliette uses Mineral Shot. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Seacalibur: Pierce's Hellfire. Pierces' Trainer Attack (testing). Charlotte's Future Shock.
Manaphy & Phione: Lanturn's Discharge. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Lopunnish: Togekiss' Air Slash (100% flinch), Moon's Poliwrath uses Dynamic Punch (Lopunnish might prove immune to special attacks). Pierce's Hellfire. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Pierce will test Seacalibur by himself.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 09:50 AM
Well, first of all, your plan should note that Charlotte's Future Shock hits all foes.
Secondly, Manaphy is a legendary with stats exactly like Shaymin. Charlotte's Future Shock is "moderate damage" after all (50% paralysis chance to all foes aside). I doubt it would go down to two attacks. I would personally use Shaymin instead of Togekiss to first attack Manaphy, which would double the power of Discharge and Future Shock.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 09:51 AM
I'm pretty adamant on having Togekiss test flinch on Lopunnish. If it works, Pierce's Signature Sequence would be absolute murder next turn.
Besides, because Future Shock is super-effective the Paralysis chance gets ramped up to 100%. The only problem is it would wake up Regina.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 09:55 AM
Fair Enough. Although I should warn that Lopunnish isn't certain to be a normal/fighting type, while we know that Altarisect is a bug/dragon. You sure we shouldn't be hitting her instead?
Aside from the fact that Mollesk hit her with Rock Slide, and thus it might be immune to Special, if Gem's statement about them resisting one or the other is true for all of them.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 09:58 AM
We're going to have to find out eventually, and we've been right about our assumptions regarding type so far.
Big problem with Future Shock: it'll wake up Regina. Unless AB decides that instead of "all" it only hits three adjacent targets, in which case we can just have it target whoever is next to Manaphy.
AB, does Charlotte's Future Shock hit all enemies or just three? And we really need to see the enemy formation.
Right now, our formation should be something like:
[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Hammond] [Spitz (drop-kicked far far away)] [Empoleon] [Illumise] [Harliette] [Blissey] [Swampert] [Mollesk] [Blaziken] [Tyranitar] [Lanturn] [Fathom] [Impact] [Evolith/Device Space 2]
We can have Lanturn's Discharge target Tyranitar. Although I'm not sure which pokemon Rachel deployed, so I'm assuming she still has Empoleon.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 10:03 AM
Oh, also? We need to do something about the Rain Dance Manaphy did this turn. It's going to put a damper on your Hellfire and Impact's Flamethrower if he tries to use it.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 10:08 AM
... Balls.
Yeah, I guess we're going to need Moon to clear that out. Gonna have to move things around again to make sure Altarisect goes down.
Rachel uses two Rage Rockets on Renny bringing him up to 80 Rage. Renny uses Prosperous Gifts. Moon constructs Deprecipitating Device.
Gardenoir: Matthias uses Bug Bite, Vespiquen uses Attack Order, Wormadam uses Bug Bite. Pierce uses Hellfire. Charlotte's Trainer Attack. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Altarisect: Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Pike's Ice Fang, Impact uses LH Launcher. Harliette uses Mineral Shot. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Seacalibur: Pierce's Hellfire. Pierce's Trainer Attack (testing). Charlotte's Future Shock.
Manaphy & Phione: Lanturn's Discharge. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Lopunnish: Togekiss' Air Slash (100% flinch), Moon's Poliwrath uses Dynamic Punch (Lopunnish might prove immune to special attacks). Pierce's Hellfire. Charlotte's Future Shock.
The good news is, I had forgotten to add Impact's attack into my plan. If he uses an Adrenaline Boost, Altarisect should go down (I'm assuming Altarisect couldn't dodge the LH Launcher for the same reason Pegidash couldn't dodge Harliette's Mineral Shot, which is it was too fast).
Menarker
06-03-2010, 10:17 AM
One thing I realized. I'm glad you didn't pay for Serene Blessing last turn, or your naked form would be one of the dancing "visions" that everyone would have to see...
Gee, with all the Sexy Parties, and naked visions of the girls, it's a good thing that the girls think of Renny as cute and innocent and good natured, or he would be slapped with several sexual harrassment lawsuits...
AB: Did you forget the Morale Meter or the enemy Rage meter? Or was leaving that out intentional?
At least Super Fang was effective... >_> Maybe I should have Magnezone and Swampert mimic that the next time I send them out...? We could have 3 Super Fangs at a turn. (I would have to call back Swampert and send him out next turn.)
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 10:22 AM
We'll try that later.
As it is, we're probably going end up having to split damage. Super Fang will be a good help for getting Pokegeddon down to critical.
I'm going to wait for AB to properly give up the enemy formation before I finalize the plan and make my post.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 10:29 AM
Alright. Anyhow, I'm sending out Shaymin instead of Togekiss, but using Air Slash, ok? Shaymin is in Sky Mode so STAB is there, has Serene Grace as well (Technically, she got a higher chance of flinching since she's holding a flinch item), plus water attacks from Manaphy or Phione won't be much of an issue due to grass typing. Plus, I rather not have Togekiss get knocked out if possible. We might need another Serene Blessing in the future.
Switching out Swampert so as to reset that Mimic for when we need to use Super Fang again.
EDIT: Your formation is showing Empoleon dispite the fact that Rachel was withdrawn from combat.
EDIT: Harliette is going to get double rage from Renny's Rocket Booster due to her double rage thingie. She can pull off a Desperado. That might prove useful.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 10:35 AM
... Eh, sure.
Now, go find me AB, minion! Bring that lilly-livered chronic-masturbating son of a fucker to me!
Well, I assumed that removing Rachel from combat meant pulling her out of the fight and leaving an empty spot, but her pokemon would still be out. It just wouldn't attack because we're using it's turn to abuse items.
You know, I'm not sure about Harliette. AB, how does Harliette's ability work? We know she gets double RPs from attacking and being attacked, but does she also get double RPs from Vengeful Rage? Rage Rockets? Second Wind?
Menarker
06-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Well, AB said he's on duty pretty soon. Hence we got the entire day to discuss stuff (in between my job and all that.) Any questions for him would have to wait.
I'd figure that removing from battle meant something like putting her in a position like the Enforcers, (except she still has contributing abilities, similar to the Sniper.)
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 11:13 AM
... Fuck your duty day, AB.
Our questions need answering, damnit!
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 01:28 PM
Mornin', ya big meanies.
First off, I'm sorry about not factoring in Tyranitar's sandstorm (or since it's kinda different from a normal sandstorm, I'll just call it a Tyranistorm).
Secondly of all, if you think dodging attacks and self-revival are bad, just wait. This is only the first turn. Forget the damn rules. That's what Pokegeddon is all about. They're too powerful for rules.
The enemy formation is as follows:
[Seacalibur] [Lopunnish] [Gardenoir] [Manaphy] [Regina] [Phione] [Frosqueen] [Altarisect] [Pegidash]
You'll have to show me what Future Shock is again. Chances are that it does hit only three.
The enemy formation really hasn't done anything except for Phione's focused Surf, so the enemy's Rage is still nearly all maxed out.
And since they're bosses, morale doesn't really figure into their lineup. They've got great control over their own fear.
Hell no, Harliette doesn't get double Rage from that shit. C'mon, you should know better.
Bard The 5th LW
06-03-2010, 01:50 PM
Here is Charlotte's profile. Future shock is at the bottom. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1015435&postcount=14)
And when I wrote Future Shock, it was said to affect all foes on the battlefield. You can't rescind it now AB! 'Tis too late!
Also, computer is acting weird, so if I'm not around to make a post when the attack is ready, then you guys can choose her attacks. Probably won't be an issue though.
And I'm not sure if it would be possible for Charlotte to have anything resembling a romance with Shannon. Unless she threw in a lot of accidental flirting into her dialogue.
Astral Harmony
06-03-2010, 02:01 PM
I can't make that affect all enemies! Gawd, you guys really wanna defeat Pokegeddon, don't you?
Okay, Operation "Get Shannon Monumentally Drunk" is underway!
Shannon: "I'm only 19, though."
Armored Bishoujo: "Shoujo-ai, Shannon."
Shannon: "But why me? I have a boyfriend. Make Evangaleen do her. Evangaleen'll do anything."
Hmmm...words to ponder.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 02:05 PM
Well, it does Moderate damage instead of severe damage like Hellfire does. It only has a 50% chance of inflicting a status unlike the 100% from Hellfire. And the only other feature is a Fire Spin like ability which is semi-weak since our battles don't last long enough to even use Rollout to is fullest ONCE.
Makes sense why you approved it to hit all foes.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 02:15 PM
So maybe ramp up the damage juuuust a little bit.
Anyway, the plan:
Rachel uses two Rage Rockets on Renny bringing him up to 80 Rage. Renny uses Prosperous Gifts. Moon constructs Deprecipitating Device. Charlotte uses Future Shock centered on Gardenoir. Pierce uses Hellfire centered on Lopunnish.
Gardenoir: Matthias uses Bug Bite, Vespiquen uses Attack Order, Wormadam uses Bug Bite, Lanturn's Discharge. Pierce uses Hellfire. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Altarisect: Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Pike's Ice Fang, Impact uses LH Launcher. Harliette uses Mineral Shot.
Seacalibur: Pierce's Hellfire. Pierce's Trainer Attack (testing).
Manaphy: Lanturn's Discharge. Charlotte's Future Shock (100% Paralysis chance due to super-effective).
Lopunnish: Shaymin's Air Slash (100% flinch), Moon's Poliwrath uses Dynamic Punch (Lopunnish might prove immune to special attacks). Pierce's Hellfire. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Menarker, decide on how you're using Prosperous Gifts so we can put this in the proper format. You obviously have to target Pierce and Moon, but who else?
More importantly, hey AB, it's Teleport that Gardenoir is using to dodge attacks, right? Meaning we should be able to Disable it, right? I'd probably do that next turn, if it works.
Also, when we pulled Rachel out of combat, does that mean she doesn't even have a pokemon deployed?
In the end, our formation should look like:
[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Pike] [Spitz (drop-kicked far far away)] [Empoleon] [Vespiquen] [Harliette] [Wormadam] [Mollesk] [Shaymin] [Blaziken] [Tyranitar] [Lanturn] [Poliwrath] [Impact] [Deprecipitating Device]
Bard The 5th LW
06-03-2010, 04:36 PM
While I do still think Future Shock should hit all foes (for reasons Menarker listed) I have a question. Will I need both Hammond and Pike out to perform Future Shock. If so, then I'll have to replace Spitz with Pike.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 04:44 PM
Nope, you don't actually need both pokemon. Hell, I don't think you even need either pokemon out. That's why I had Charlotte send out Pike and have it attack, use her trainer attack, and then use the action that would've gone to Spitz to use Future Shock. And this fucking better be possible.
I'm pretty sure you can't replace Spitz, by the way. Otherwise, what's the point of sending it away in the first place? If it was as simple as getting it out of the field, they could've used Roar or something.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 05:49 PM
Renny has enough RP to give items to nearly everyone.
Renny (Support his skills)
Pierce (Hellfire)
Moon (Device)
Wilhelmina (100 RP tech)
Rachel (She can use that 25 rage for healing or a rocket boost in a future turn.)
Impact (Sweep good for spreading damage.)
Matthias (Tons of status effects on one target.)
Harriette (Spread Damage the turn after?)
And can you switch Mollesk and Shaymin's location? 3 pokemons weak to water in a row is JUST ASKING for a repeat Surf Spam. (Seaking, Manaphy and Phione among others perhaps.)
(Which is weird since AB had the foes use Surf, but it only hit one target instead of three? I guess they were using focus or something so they don't hurt each other.)
Anyhow, off to work soon.
The plan looks good to me though. (Although you might want to see if Impact can hit another target adjacent to the original due to getting 25 rage for Sweep. Although he might save that for next round or so.)
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 05:59 PM
Yep. AB's post said it used Focus.
Yeah, I'll switch Shaymin and Mollesk.
Impact doesn't really need to use Sweep this turn. Nothing worthwhile to hit.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 06:01 PM
I'd definitely give Rage boosters to everyone we can. Give one to Rachel as well, if you can.
The plan looks acceptable. Lemme see what else we could do...
Also, Impact could use C&C, to give us a few extra attacks.
Menarker
06-03-2010, 06:03 PM
That's what I did, sir. Rachel was included in the Rocket Booster, as I intended all along.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 06:13 PM
The plan:
Charlotte: use Future Shock centered on Gardenoir. Have Pike use Ice Fang on Altarisect.
Rachel: Use two Rage Rockets on Renny.
Renny: Use Prosperous Gifts, use Rage Rocket to give RPs to himself, Pierce, Impact, Wilhelmina, Rachel, Matthias, Harliette and Moon. Have Shaymin use Air Slash on Lopunnish (100% flinch).
Moon: Have Lanturn use Discharge on Phione and Gardenoir (ally target is Tyranitar). Have Poliwrath use Dynamic Punch on Lopunnish. Construct Deprecipitating Device.
Pierce: Have Tyranitar use Stone Edge on Altarisect. Trainer Attack on Seacalibur. Use Blaziken's action to unleash Hellfire centered on Lopunnish (100% burn, 100% internal bleeding).
Impact: LH Launcher on Altarisect.
Matthias: Bug Bite on Gardenoir.
Harliette: Have Vespiquen to use Attack Order on Gardenoir, Wormadam to use Bug Bite on Gardenoir. Mineral Shot on Altarisect.
I'd rather not have Impact use C,C&C this turn. Right now we're still testing Pokegeddon, not to mention stopping their Signature Sequence. But chances are, we're going to have to end up spreading damage among all of them and taking them all out at the same time. We're going to need the extra attacks for that.
[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Pike] [Spitz (drop-kicked far far away)] [Empoleon] [Vespiquen] [Harliette] [Wormadam] [Mollesk] [Shaymin] [Blaziken] [Tyranitar] [Lanturn] [Poliwrath] [Impact] [Deprecipitating Device]
Geminex
06-03-2010, 06:19 PM
Ah, excellent, lieutenant. I misread that...
Carry on.
And I'm not sure if it would be possible for Charlotte to have anything resembling a romance with Shannon. Unless she threw in a lot of accidental flirting into her dialogue.
We will arrange something. But Charlotte will seduce Shannon. Worst-case-scenario, it'll just be anger sex.
Rachel uses two Rage Rockets on Renny bringing him up to 80 Rage. Renny uses Prosperous Gifts. Moon constructs Deprecipitating Device. Charlotte uses Future Shock centered on Gardenoir. Pierce uses Hellfire centered on Lopunnish.
Gardenoir: Matthias uses Bug Bite, Vespiquen uses Attack Order, Wormadam uses Bug Bite, Lanturn's Discharge. Pierce uses Hellfire. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Altarisect: Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Pike's Ice Fang, Impact uses LH Launcher. Harliette uses Mineral Shot.
Seacalibur: Pierce's Hellfire. Pierce's Trainer Attack (testing).
Manaphy: Lanturn's Discharge. Charlotte's Future Shock (100% Paralysis chance due to super-effective).
Lopunnish: Shaymin's Air Slash (100% flinch), Moon's Poliwrath uses Dynamic Punch (Lopunnish might prove immune to special attacks). Pierce's Hellfire. Charlotte's Future Shock.
Ok, few things:
Dynamic Punch. Why dynamic punch? Fine, it'll confuse the foe if it hits, but it only has a 50% chance to hit.
Secondly, there's nothing in reserve. If any of them survive with low health, we have nothing to finish them off.
Thirdly, I wouldn't have moon construct the anti-rain device, better to save his RPs for his signature sequence with Shannon.. I don't think signature techniques get affected by weather, anyway. Otherwise I'd recommend that someone throws in a sunny day.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 06:27 PM
Dynamic Punch because it's the only physical Fighting type attack Moon has.
Wanna know what we have on reserve? Tyranistorm. Gardenoir and Altarisect should go down. Lopunnish, maaaaaybe.
Moon's Signature Sequence will cost 40 (Shannon splits the cost). After this turn, he'll have 30 RPs. He can get the rest next turn. So yeah Deprecipitating Device, or else we have to pull someone away to use Sunny Day and we can't be sure our intended targets go down.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 06:34 PM
Moon's Signature Sequence will cost 40 (Shannon splits the cost). After this turn, he'll have 30 RPs. He can get the rest next turn. So yeah Deprecipitating Device, or else we have to pull someone away to use Sunny Day and we can't be sure our intended targets go down.
He'll have 30?
He has 20 now. After a rage booster, he'll have 45. If he attacks with one pokemon he'll get the 5 he needs to constuct. But when he's constructed, he'll have 0.
Also, I'm not sure about this either...
But I think that, for them to split the cost, shannon needs to actually be in-battle. She'd also need to have more than 15 RPs.
So ok, Moonbeam disco next turn. But if you construct with Moon, we'll probably have to wait a turn more.
And like I said: If weather affects signature techniques, why not go for Sunny day? It'd give you a damage bonus and weaken Manaphy's and Phione's attacks.
And tyranistorm? Fair enough...
But still, I'd prefer to have someone who can deal actual damage.
And I don't think trainer attacks are affected by enemy's attack immunity. As such, Pierce's hitting Seacalibur might not actually prove anything.
Gimme half an hour, I'll try to come up with my own version.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 06:42 PM
Balls. Yeah, I thought devices only cost 25 for some reason. If you can think of anyone we can spare to use Sunny Day, go ahead.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 08:07 PM
Matt: Sunny day
Rachel: Out-of-combat with 2 rage boosters on Renny. Spend an extra 25 RPs to use a rage booster on shannon
Charlotte: Future shock, centered on Gardenoir, Hammond's stone edge on Altarisect
Pierce: Tyranitar stone edge on Altarisect, Hellfire centered on Lopunnish
Renny: Serene Gift (rage boosters for everyone), Swampert with mimic-ed stone edge on Altarisect
Harliette: Mineral shot vs. Altarisect. Wormadam with bug bite, Vespiqueen with Attack order on Gardenoir.
Moon: Lanturn's discharge on Gardenoir and Manaphy, Moonbeam disco, centered on Lopunnish (will only deal half damage to Lopunnish and Seacalibur, but should be enough to soften them up. Also, flinch.)
Trainer attacks: On Gardenoir. If Gardenoir defeated, hit Altarisect
Ok, it's really similar to what you had, so this wouldn't have been that necessary... I'm still wondering what to do with Impact. I wanna keep him in reserve, have him kill any survivors. Those would probably be Altarisect or Lopunnish...
But see, my problem is that we don't know that Slayer attacks will circumvent enemy immunity. I think Harliette's attack should be safe (she only has special attacks, so we'd be justified in raging at AB, should enemies be immune to her attacks), but what to do with Impact? He only has one physical attack, and that's dark-type. It could hurt Altarisect and Gardenoir, but not Lopunnish. I have attacks that're super or ultra effective against all of those, but they're all special. Should I play it safe with Claws of Darkness, or go all-out, and risk them avoiding my attacks?
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 08:11 PM
Go all out with Impact.
And really, we wanted Renny's Shaymin to test of Lopunnish could be flinched.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 08:18 PM
I'm using moonbeam disco instead. That has a 100% flinch rate.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 08:19 PM
Oh, right. Well, I'm going to go on ahead and post.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 08:22 PM
Kay. Giving orders, or just Pierce's actions?
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 08:25 PM
Giving orders.
Pierce is going to let Renny pick who he wants to use Prosperous Gifts on. And Impact won't get to do anything.
Yeah, I realize you might not like that, but in exchange Impact gets some encouragement from Pierce, and free rein to give orders next turn. That's a hell of a lot, coming from Pierce.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 08:39 PM
Yeah, I realize you might not like that, but in exchange Impact gets some encouragement from Pierce, and free rein to give orders next turn. That's a hell of a lot, coming from Pierce.
Tread very carefully, friend. You have a bit of slack. In fact, just enough to hang yourself with.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 08:40 PM
... You haven't read my post yet, have you? Maybe I can word it nicer.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 08:44 PM
Ok, now I've read it. It's good enough.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 08:46 PM
You mean the edited version? Because the original had a lot of expletives.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 09:01 PM
Ah, yeah. Perhaps I did read the edit. What was the original like?
Though no matter, like I said. It's pretty good that way. Impact will be torn between getting pissed and letting Pierce take the lead (he'll go for the latter), I'm sorta fine with it as well. We all worked on the plan, so there's no reason why my character in particular should get to post it. And we did have our agreement that Pierce would get to give ordrers as well. So sure, that's fine.
Bard The 5th LW
06-03-2010, 09:18 PM
Got a post in. Still waiting for AB's verdict on Future Shock.
Also gave Charlotte a new color for her text, because white was getting boring. Not sure why I chose Sandy Brown. May or may not change it at some point.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 09:51 PM
I think Future shock is only gonna hit 3. We can buff it another way, though. Maybe increase the damage-over-time that it does?
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 09:53 PM
Yeah, buff the over-time damage to like 30 power? That's double what Fire Spin does, anyway.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 10:01 PM
Might be cool to do it that way. Maybe also give it a fixed duration?
Bard The 5th LW
06-03-2010, 10:03 PM
That sounds good to me. It can help keep it up with the levels of awesome Hell Fire contains.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 10:19 PM
Excellent. And why the color change?
AB, can Future Shock's damage-over time be buffed to 30, and remain for 5 turns? Just to make of for the fact that it won't be hitting all enemies.
And how's Charlotte's seduction of Shannon coming along?
Yes, I'm actually serious about that. Do it, bro.
Bard The 5th LW
06-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Dude, if Shannon is 19 like AB says, then Charlotte is 10 years older than her. It won't work out. Unless you can make suggestions.
And as I said previously, I was just getting sick of all white text. I might change it at some time, but I do kind of like the current color.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Oh, right, I missed that.
We will Retcon Charlotte's age. Isn't that right, AB?
And besides, Shizuka is several centuries of age. She gets to have sex with 19-year old Pierce, there shouldn't be any problem.
And brown is good. It suits charlotte.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 10:35 PM
... Pierce is 24, man.
He's actually older than Impact. I think older than Matt, too.
Bard The 5th LW
06-03-2010, 10:37 PM
His bio actually says 27, but whatever. Yeah, he and Charlotte are the oldest characters in the RP.
Even if Pierce was 19, he would still be mature enough to get a sort of pass.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 10:38 PM
24? Oh, yeah. In that case he is older than Impact. Nice.
Shannon can be 24 too. 5-year age gap doesn't mean anything once you've tried to kill each other.
Dracorion
06-03-2010, 10:39 PM
... Pierce's bio says 27?
*Goes to check*
Well whaddaya know. I guess I changed it at some point because there's a relatively big age difference between him and Sam and I didn't want to make her old.
Geminex
06-03-2010, 11:00 PM
I could have sworn he used to be 19, though...
Ah well. Just means that he's been taking orders from a guy several years younger than him. No matter.
Menarker
06-04-2010, 12:32 AM
Back from work.
Hey, you guys said I couldn't Retcon Renny's age and now you're letting Charlotte?
And just because Charlotte is 10 years older than Shannon? Hell, my character is underage, and I'm practically trying to romance someone who is 8 years older. (Cause you guys won't let me ret-con it somehow.)
Anyhow, Drac, I don't think Pierce, or anyone for that matter (aside from Lola), would know about Renny's Prosperous Gift in character. Same as Serene Blessing before hand.
Bard The 5th LW
06-04-2010, 12:38 AM
Charlotte's age ain't getting a retcon, so don't worry. And I'd say there's a bit of a difference between making a 29 year a few years younger and making a 16 year old 4-5 years older. But who cares what I say? I don't.
Menarker
06-04-2010, 12:46 AM
Well, I only intended 2 maybe 3 years at most, but yeah, I get what you mean.
Anyhow, going to see if I can make a post. A post taking place chronologically just before Pierce's speech is possible, so Renny can inform the group of that Prosperous Gift ability (although not with that name. You think he'd actually name his techniques and shout it out manga style?)
Drac won't have to edit much at all. Just the name thing.
I'll let AB decide how Renny somehow manages to multiply Rocket Booster, since I might have the wrong perception of how they should work. (AB said that they are drugs of sort, since he hinted that there will never be any item (healing or attack item) that gives more than 25 rage or drain more than 25 rage or it would probably kill them...)
Funny thing is, we would WANT an attack item that was potent enough to kill the foe upon application. I imagine AB meant that it would be impossible to make the attack item any more potent. ^^;
Dracorion
06-04-2010, 06:36 AM
I edit nothing.
Except, y'know, that I forgot to modify Renny's part of the plan so that he has Swampert use Stone Edge on Altarisect.
But the name stays the same. Consider Pierce as just having named your Signature Sequence.
Geminex
06-04-2010, 06:49 AM
Don't get too big for your boots, my friend. You have given orders. Leave Renny his own naming rights.
Edit: Actually, never mind. I just realize, I forgot to ask...
How will Impact's acceptance of Pierce's momentary authority modify the picture of Impact that Pierce has?
Dracorion
06-04-2010, 07:09 AM
I'm just too lazy to edit my post for that and providing an alternative explanation.
And my giving orders shouldn't bother you. It was mostly my plan, except for a couple of changes that you and Menarker proposed. I think your problem is that Impact didn't get to give any orders at all.
EDIT: A good deal, actually. Pierce will definitely think better of Impact. Assuming Impact actually follows Pierce's advise. Basically, he has to leave the team some breathing room and stop treating them like robot soldiers.
You know, until the truth comes out.
Geminex
06-04-2010, 07:14 AM
And my giving orders shouldn't bother you. It was mostly my plan, except for a couple of changes that you and Menarker proposed. I think your problem is that Impact didn't get to give any orders at all.
I agree that it shouldn't bother me. See my edit.
And was it mostly your plan? Really?
a) I designated priorities, modelled our enemies' attack resistances
b) the only reason I didn't come up with my version earlier is this pesky sleep business
I'm willing to relinquish some credit, but you should be getting, at most, 60%, and you have to share that with Menarker. So, 40/40/20?
But ok, screw it. It's done. Just... next time, perhaps mention that you want to give orders before actually starting the post?
Edit:
Basically, he has to leave the team some breathing room and stop treating them like robot soldiers.
Ok... but how to do that? Should he just be limiting himself to more general strategic advice, and we assume that everyone follows the plan we make OOC out of their own initiative? Cause that could work.
And the truth won't "come out" until ever national flag in the world features Ray Greene and 6 pairs of duelling ninjas. No, Pierce will draw a conclusion by using his incredible intellect and supernatural powers of deduction. He's like sherlock holmes all up in this bitch. And based on that unsupported conclusion, he'll stop supporting Impact. And I'll claim that moderate favor whenever I like.
Dracorion
06-04-2010, 07:23 AM
Yeah, I'll do that.
Also, see my edit before.
Although, God help me, I'd like to propose an alternative: How about Impact delegates to Pierce and Renny? We all formulate a plan together in discussion and then you post most of it in the RP. Impact gives the overall plan, telling who we should concentrate on and what kind of attacks we should hit them with and perhaps even recommend choices (try not to use this one too much) and he gives specific orders down to pokemon and moves to Matthias, Charlotte, the Engineer, Sniper and Destroyer (if we have one). Meanwhile, Renny gets to pick his pokemon and moves and do the same for the Medic, and Pierce picks his pokemon and moves and do the same for the Shock Trooper.
Geminex
06-04-2010, 08:19 AM
Good gods, get some subtlety. That PM was pathetic.
Although, God help me, I'd like to propose an alternative: How about Impact delegates to Pierce and Renny? We all formulate a plan together in discussion and then you post most of it in the RP. Impact gives the overall plan, telling who we should concentrate on and what kind of attacks we should hit them with and perhaps even recommend choices (try not to use this one too much) and he gives specific orders down to pokemon and moves to Matthias, Charlotte, the Engineer, Sniper and Destroyer (if we have one). Meanwhile, Renny gets to pick his pokemon and moves and do the same for the Medic, and Pierce picks his pokemon and moves and do the same for the Shock Trooper.
As for this, I'll consider it. I still prefer my proposal, it'd make for a more fluid game.
Dracorion
06-04-2010, 08:35 AM
Subtlety is for losers.
Your proposal is... what, this?
Should he just be limiting himself to more general strategic advice, and we assume that everyone follows the plan we make OOC out of their own initiative? Cause that could work.
Geminex
06-04-2010, 08:53 AM
Yeah.
Basically, we have our enemies in front of us. We discuss what should happen OOC, make the plan. Then I make my post.
Impact goes all "Ok, let's focus damage on A, B and C! Somone incapacitate D and E! And (Ally), now might be a good time for your signature technique!
He'd be just designating objectives, which targets are most important. We'd have worked out who attacks what OOC, but, in-character, characters would work out the micro-management themselves. Like, if we decided that Pierce and Harliette should take out A and B, you could make a post in which Pierce goes solo and just gives orders to his pokemon, or he could talk to Harliette and coordinate with her. Just go "Hey, I'll do this, you do that, A should die from that!". That gives opportunity for characters to show initiative, and for PCs and NPCs to interact with one another a bit more.
I think it'd be cool.
Dracorion
06-04-2010, 08:58 AM
Well, yeah, it would be. But I was expecting Impact to want to have more control over our characters.
Geminex
06-04-2010, 09:05 AM
It would be sufficiently gradual.
And hey, control comes in many forms. Maybe Rayleen can explain something along those lines to him, and he realizes that she's right, using only your allies' power isn't sufficient, you need their ingeneuity as well! Learn to trust them when you can. Let their minds work as much as their bodies.
Dracorion
06-04-2010, 09:35 PM
You know, maybe we should slow down. It feels like we lost someone somewhere along the line.
Geminex
06-04-2010, 10:11 PM
That's a good point, actually. Let's wait a bit for Dante to catch up. What with illness and... work as well? Poor guy.
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