Pokemon Umbral Discussion 27: Prepare For Trouble...

[Astral Harmony]

Who knows if Disable will work? Gardenoir isn't your average Pokemon/Brid/Sapien/Whatever. Hell, she isn't your average anything.

When you pull Rachel out of combat, only she leaves. Her Pokemon stay.

Yes, Future Shock can be buffed that way.

Anyways, I'm thinking of a future little project, probably to kick off after Mission 3. Not much, just a thread in the RP Signups and Discussions where all the side stories go. The reason why? I love exposition! So, when Rayleen leaves at the end of Mission 3, I can create a side story indicating just where the hell she went. That way I can leave the main story focused on you sonsabitches.

And now for your picture

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2327562176_a7cf908884.jpg?v=0

Ketchum's Angels...and not that I was really trying to find one, but I think Misty has a cameltoe.

[Geminex]

Anyways, I'm thinking of a future little project, probably to kick off after Mission 3. Not much, just a thread in the RP Signups and Discussions where all the side stories go. The reason why? I love exposition! So, when Rayleen leaves at the end of Mission 3, I can create a side story indicating just where the hell she went. That way I can leave the main story focused on you sonsabitches.
Rayleen... leaves.
At... the end of mission 3...

...

Does... does this mean what I think it means? More to the point, is she going to leave in charge who I think she's going to leave in charge?

Thought wait a minute, that's going to screw up my SigSeq. If she's gone, who am I gonna use it with?

[Astral Harmony]

There's gonna be a replacement. A sexy replacement. Heh, as if there was any other kind.

Needless to say, you're gonna lose Dormond as well, but I don't think you actually wanted him around anymore.

[Geminex]

Oh, allright then.
Still, when is Impact going to get to assume control?

[DanteFalcon]

Responding to the last post of the previous discussion thread.

I am feeling somewhat better now. I'll see if I can't crank out a post tonight.

Also OoC won't be too hard to catch up on. The RP will be rather quick and easy as I'm not very far behind in that.

[Geminex]

Not too much happened, OOC, actually. Discussed a lot of tactics, but nothing you'd have to hate yourself for missing.

Glad you're feeling better.

Edit:
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait:
When you pull Rachel out of combat, only she leaves. Her Pokemon stay.
Are you just saying that Rachel's pokemon can still come under attack? Or that they can actually act?
God, you need to explain item use again. And I need to re-send that PM I sent regarding Impact's sidequest. Would you have time to provide an answer?

[Menarker]

Needless to say, you're gonna lose Dormond as well, but I don't think you actually wanted him around anymore.

But I liked Dormond! (Needless to say, I liked Rayleen too.)

Although not enough to justify a Relationship Tech or putting him in the medic slot.

Regardless, the proposed "Sidestory Thread" would also be a good way for us to post the stuff that happens in between missions, such as Impact training Renny, or Renny doing the wine thing with Pierce and Chizuru and all that sort of thing.

Somehow, I think Stevhenton (that guy from the second mission) would be the technically official guy in charge or so...

[DanteFalcon]

Matthias proposed a new tactic. I have no idea if it would work however it maybe worth a shot.

[Astral Harmony]

What the hell are you talking about, assume control? Sorry, you're not taking the plot from me. I am Armored Bishoujo. I am the GM. I am the horizontal. I am the vertical. I will move you from battle to battle until the end of this tragic tale.

...

So that's why you were so stoked about being leader? You seriously thought being leader would give you that kind of power?

Yeah, except only no. I keel you for thinking so.

On the bright side, you do get plot powers in the sequel...y'know...in the year 2011 when this RP finally finishes and a sequel crops up.

[Geminex]

So that's why you were so stoked about being leader? You seriously thought being leader would give you that kind of power?
What? No! God no! I just wanna live out my megalomanial fantasies through Impact!
What makes you think that I want GM?

Stop making silly conspiracies and get back to my real questions.

[Menarker]

Dante brings up a weird question/concept. How does Trick Room work in this game? All allies go before all enemies. Speed is now related to Critical Hit in a way. (Unless we wanted the foes to go before us, which borders on suicidal.) I mean, unless we wanted to play around with Mollesk's crappy speed/critical hit so it became godlike...

What the hell are you talking about, assume control? Sorry, you're not taking the plot from me. I am Armored Bishoujo. I am the GM. I am the horizontal. I am the vertical. I will move you from battle to battle until the end of this tragic tale.


Tragic? You mean Renny won't get married to Lola in a huge ceremonial setting vaguely resembling a Christian Church that couldn't possibly exist in the Pokemon World and get a happy ending (or even a happily ever after)?

[Astral Harmony]

What're the real questions? I think I'm retarded right now.

[Geminex]

Tragic? You mean Renny won't get married to Lola in a huge ceremonial setting vaguely resembling a Christian Church that couldn't possibly exist in the Pokemon World and get a happy ending (or even a happily ever after)?
If I get my way, Renny will support my regime until he gets executed by the state for collaborating with a dangerous terrorist (Charlotte). Lola can get executed too.

And AB:
My questions were:
- Can Rachel's pokemon actually attack while she's left battle, or can they just get attacked?
- Remind me how items work, exactly? Does everyone need to use an action to use items? How about slayers and pokebrids?
- Do you have time to respon to that PM regarding Impact's sidequest I send you? If so, I'll resend it.

[Dracorion]

On the bright side, you do get plot powers in the sequel...y'know...in the year 2011 when this RP finally finishes and a sequel crops up.

Yeah, that'll happen. I'm thinking December 21, 2012 the soonest.

And Gem, Impact will never be put in Rayleen's position what are you, insane?

[Geminex]

We'll see about that.

And hey, plot power! That will be fun!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Rayleen and Dormond are leaving? That's sad. I liked them.

If I get my way, Renny will support my regime until he gets executed by the state for collaborating with a dangerous terrorist (Charlotte). Lola can get executed too.

So Charlotte gets executed to? She's not a terrorist anymore! And besides, Impact was once a vigilante. He's broken the law, just the same if less so.

Unless, of course, you are referring to some future conspiracy thing where Impact uses Charlotte to make the populace fear pokemon like him. But then, why would Renny work with her?

[Dracorion]

Renny wouldn't work with her, but Impact would make it seem like he did.

[Geminex]

Well, I see it this way:

Impact manipulates Renny to support his empire by quite simply broadcasting a message of peace and love and "We don't want to hurt you at all! No need to fortify your borders!". Propaganda, really, but Renny would believe in it.

Impact pretty much makes Charlotte this uber-terrorist, armed with legendaries, attacking the populace of Homnyr. A populace which would be defended by heroic humans. Yeah, inspire pokemon-hatred.

Impact tells Charlotte that Renny has lost his value, they need to discredit him. He'd just tell her to visit him, tell him some wacky tale about an Anti-Pokemon conspiracy, and tell him that she's not actually a terrorist, just a rebel, fighting against oppression. Her given reason for finally seeking him out would be that she couldn't risk contacting him before, but their organization just suffered a massive assault from Slayer Battallions, and most of their members have been caught or killed. She needs help. This reason would, to her knowlege, just be an excuse.

Mind you, while she's off contacting Renny, Impact's Slayers would actually be anihilating her organization, but she doesn't have to know that.

Anyway, she contacts Renny, tells him that Impact's evil, asks for his help.

Renny, being Renny, would most likely try to help her.

So, they'd arrange to meet, and while at this meeting, they'd be ambushed by Impact's forces. Charlotte would ask Renny to help her fight their way out, Impact would do something to make Renny sufficiently mad to comply (I'm thinking that, if they're within sight of Renny's house, he'd just have his air-force bomb Renny's property).

Charlotte would have expected some sort of opposition, but the amount of forces ambushing them would be way larger than she would've expected, since, to her knowlege, she was supposed to get away with Renny.

Anyway, then you'd have Renny fighting alongside a known terrorist against police and national guard. Renny=Terrorist. Gets caught, put on trial, gets executed.

Charlotte wouldn't even get caught, she'd just die in battle.


It's efficient!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Is Renny that gullible? True question, he might gain some experience and competence over the years. I'm sure that Charlotte will also gain some reasons to distrust Impoact.

That plan doesn't fully take into account character development (although Charlotte will likely have little). Nor is there any practical reason to kill Renny, beyond just for the sake of killing Renny. Which is mildly understandable.

[Menarker]

There are a few other factors as well aside from that, but no need to mention them at this point, since while I had been planning for some time, they have yet to be revealed. ^^

Also, Renny isn't NOT that stupid about "no need to fortify borders". He is not delusional about the fact that other people aren't like him and there is bound to be a certain level of conflict. A certain degree of peace always came from not tempting people by making yourself look weak.

[Dracorion]

Hey Geminex just had the decency to tell you his plan to murder and defame your character. The least you can do is tell us whatever it is you're planning.

What's Matt's third form and Synch Tech, by the way?

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm not planning anything. At least not anything that will affect anyone, besides Charlotte herself.

[Menarker]

Oh please. We all knew that Impact was going to backstab us at some point. (And it's hardly any shock that just about all the PCs hate Renny somewhat.)

Anyhow, I'm keeping my little plan secret for suspense. It'll be revealed in about 2-3 chapters presumably. It's nothing specific to Impact's plan anyhow much like Bard said about Charlotte, but like any power boosts, it will greatly help fending against it.

Matt said his 3rd form was Poryzon Z.

Anyhow, I gotta go for work. See ya!

[Dracorion]

... What.

What!

I practically had to murder a whore and sacrifice her to God-King Geminex for a fighting chance against his machinations, and you get to spin your little mystery and crap out a power boost?

Bullshit.

Now you tell me what you're planning right now, or I swear, I'm going to raise Pierce's power level so hard, over nine thousand won't even begin to cover it. And you know what? I won't even use it against Geminex. I'll be aiming it at you, cocksucker.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its not a power boost. cocksucker

[Dracorion]

No one cares about you Bard, I meant Menarker.

[Bard The 5th LW]

http://www.gamerdna.com/public/images/user_image/image/11187/sad_panda_2.jpg
Its sad, not angry

[Dracorion]

PS: Gem, if Seacalibur dies somehow, you might wanna target Phione or Manaphy with the Strange Parasites.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The lack of discussion concerns me. Time to make something to encourage arguments.
Custom attack for Revenard!


Name: TBA
Type: Ghost/physical
Power: 80
Description: Revenard maneuvers and makes his way to the foe, and sinks his teeth into the foe. Damage doesn't seem terrible at first, but the foe will shortly after feel a sharp drop in vitality, despite the wound being rather ignorable. In addition, Revenard seems to be more energized, and some of his wounds begin to fade away.
Effects: The foe takes physical ghost damage, and 1/3 of the damage done is added to Revenard's HP.

[Geminex]

a) Impact's best of Friends with Renny, remember? Or will be, once I finally edit that bost.

b) Yeah, Menarker. Plan. Explain. Now. Or by the gods, I will rally the PCs of pokemon umbral against you.

c) Custmo attack is coo.

[Astral Harmony]

With the way the RP goes, some moves just don't work, like Trick Room. You're just going to have to ignore because I'm not going to think of way for it to work with this system. Sorry is all I can and will say about this.

If Rachel leaves combat, her Pokemon stay, but they cannot attack. After all, despite any orders one might give, Pokemon only respond to the call of their master. They're basically tanking that turn. Does it make sense? Not really, but since two of the other Medics don't even have Pokemon, if I did make it like that it'd create an imbalance in which case I'd have to deal with Geminex again. Yeah, you.

Slayers, Pokebrids, and Pokemon Trainers and Snaggers with only one Pokemon out can all use an item as a free action. If there're two Pokemon out, Trainers and Snaggers have to sacrifice a Pokemon's move to use an item. Medics have the option of exiting combat to use two items instead of just one and have access to unlimited items, but not the really good items like Supreme Restores, but they do have access to Rage Rockets and shit.

I can respond to a PM about your sidequest, Gem. But I kinda need you to send it first.

I approve Revenard's attack.

Impact could never convince Renny to do something stupid like lower his guard after Impact goes evil. Don't mistake him loving Pokemon and being so young and hoping for peace and understanding as him being an ignorant little moron. And even if-

Renny: "I think I'm going to give Impact a chance at peace."
Lola: *wearing a sexy black nightie* "Or you could not do that and try to own his face."
Renny: "I like that idea! I like that idea like a motherfucker!"

Speaks for itself, don't it?

Anyways, I'll get to posting now.

EDIT 1: Menarker, I'm going to add Rage Rockets and Suppressive Hazes to the list of shit you can't use Properous Gifts for. It was annoying enough to count all that Rage up, but now everyone's jacked up 'n' shit. You balance breaking bastard, always with your trickery. Hell, you can't even be a protagonist trying dirty tricks like that. Well, not a stereotypical protagonist, anyways.

[Geminex]

EDIT 1: Menarker, I'm going to add Rage Rockets and Suppressive Hazes to the list of shit you can't use Properous Gifts for. It was annoying enough to count all that Rage up, but now everyone's jacked up 'n' shit. You balance breaking bastard, always with your trickery. Hell, you can't even be a protagonist trying dirty tricks like that. Well, not a stereotypical protagonist, anyways.
Ok, see? This. This is what I've been saying THE ENTIRE FRIGGIN' TIME. But nooo.

And I totally sent you that PM before. I'm going to resend it. Cause that's how nice I am.

And don't interfere with my plans! If I can make Renny trust Impact enough, then I totally deserve to anihilate him!

[Menarker]

Sorry for not replying sooner. Was playing a rented game that goes back soon.

And don't interfere with my plans! If I can make Renny trust Impact enough, then I totally deserve to anihilate him!

Impact is only "good friends" with Renny. Not best friends. His pokemons and Lola ranks higher naturally.
Only if your skills actually can pull it off (and that's even assuming you manage to get that far only by malipulating Renny). You think Renny will just roll over and die?
That said, I'm not saying anything more about my idea other than the fact that it's nothing that couldn't be duplicated by anyone else. I already gave hints before. Now you guys can just brainstorm from there. That and you'll find out in a few missions if you can't be bothered to think. (Meaning that Impact will at least has a possible guess about it before he enacts his evil plan, so it's not some random Deus Ex Machina.)

Anyhow, now we got to think of a new plan since the current plan was built on the entire premise that everyone would be getting 25 rage...

Guess we're going to have to edit our posts quite a bit...

Anyhow, good night. see you all later.

[Astral Harmony]

Don't worry, I'm allowing it this once.

EDIT: Gimme until tomorrow afternoon to finish up. I've done some of the post, but it's apparently quite huge due to...well...the very large attacks of Pokegeddon and Lexhur entering the fray.

[Geminex]

Hooray!

And Menarker, that plan was less "So gonna do this" and more "Man, this'd be awesome". Unless a good opportunity presents itself, it probably won't be used.

But back to yourself. See, I've reminded Drac, I'l remind you: When I plan something, intend to achieve one thing or another in the long term, I usually inform you. Often I gloat, but I'm always warning you.

I don't have to do that. I'll certainly reconsider it if any of you start keeping your plans and intentions secret.
You understand?
I care little for suspense. I simply wish to get whatever information I can, quite simply for the purpose of long-term planning. Of openness, honesty. And, I mean, it's fair. I share my stuff with you, you share your stuff with us.
Please, Menarker, share with us what you're planning.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Keep it a surprise!

I like surprises! And Gem doesn't! Even more a reason to keep it a secret!

[Dracorion]

Shut up Bard, no one cares about you!

Menarker, you better talk or I swear, Pierce is going to steal Lola away. I'm not joking.

[Menarker]

Thanks AB. I'll probably have to edit being able to do Rocket Boosters somehow and see how Renny could do it this time and not the other time. (Maybe a mislabeled bottle and he doesn't know exactly he did it, and can never duplicate it again.)

As for the little suprise... Guys, relax. Like really. (Except for Bard who seems to be having the time of his life. ^,^ )

First things first: I like suspense and roleplaying along with any sort of number crunching, planning, or powergaming that I may do. Bard seems to enjoy it as well (or maybe just the fact that it's driving you two nuts. ^^ Whatever works for him.) I do it for the roleplay as well. Biggest reason for it. Makes the moment seems less "awesome" if I spoil the hell out of it. Well, it would have been even more awesome if you guys weren't totally demanding and expecting it now. ^^;

Secondly: I am being honest while keeping to that suspense. I said it would be revealed (like as in actually happening) in around 2-3 missions or so. I was under the impression that Impact was going to wait until mid-late game to screw PATCA over since we're waiting like over 4+ missions before we even start? Thus unless someone who is NOT ME is BREAKING THEIR TERMS and starting their plans early, Impact and everyone else will have plenty of warning and thus can put it in their plan.

Thirdly: This is not an attempt to derail the plan (except for the killing part which I did not agree to, of course), but more of a "So that's what you're going to do? Too bad you didn't take THIS in account!" sort of retort. You see, this particular change was something I was thinking of doing BEFORE Gem gave that announcement about attempting to shame/kill my character. It's less of a "I'm doing this to fuck up his plan" and more of a "Hehe, so he's planning that? Well, he didn't take in account how our characters will have developed in that time frame." I had this development in mind for some time (Because I thought it would be awesome and useful and not in response to some alleged scheme), and already hinted at it before I even knew there was a plan of that sort. I'm not revealing it now just because you suddenly bring up a plan and request I do so too.

Thirdly: Drac, you're bound by the term as far as I know. Break it and Gem will be forced to break you, even if he shares your sympathy about wanting to know too. And I'll definately take action too if you try.

But seriously. Just wait and see. Or speculate. I said it's something that other people could easily duplicate, so it's very likely it's not something that is "home-brewed" but is entirely within the system. You guys have fun guessing what. I already gave enough hints to work it out.

And Gem? You promised I could have Lola and be together and all that. I know you didn't explictively promise safety in the long run, but yeah.
... Now I'm thinking of Renny and Lola being in that one James Bond movie where he tries to get married but the bad guys hijack his wedding in the attempt to kill him/his bride with tragic results.

[Dracorion]

What, your Rare Candy factory?

I mean come on. The only details I'm keeping close to the chest are those about Pierce's sidequest.

Telling us that it's going to happen soon without actually telling us what the hell it is is not honesty. It's witholding information. You're not lying, but you're not saying anything either.

Also, the only people who have plans here are Dante, Geminex and you. The thing? Dante's plan seems so far to involve his own personal side plot rather than character advancement. As in, not giving Matt any kind of power boost or anything like that. Geminex, on the other hand has been perfectly honest about his plans.

And then there's you. You're giving Renny some kind of boost without telling us because you know we're probably not going to like it. As for this:

But seriously. Just wait and see. Or speculate. I said it's something that other people could easily duplicate, so it's very likely it's not something that is "home-brewed" but is entirely within the system. You guys have fun guessing what. I already gave enough hints to work it out.

People can break the game while staying within the system. Especially since the system we're using for this RP is entirely experimental. And seriously? You want us to guess? Muddle through 27 Discussion threads and 7 RP threads to find some obscure clue? No one is ever going to do that, which means your reveal will be coming entirely out of the blue. Unless you want to be so kind as to point us in the right direction.

And by point us in the right direction I mean spill it.

Thirdly: Drac, you're bound by the term as far as I know. Break it and Gem will be forced to break you, even if he shares your sympathy about wanting to know too. And I'll definately take action too if you try.

Yeah, if I decide to break the deal there's really nothing that's going to stop me. Especially not this.

[Menarker]

You keep saying "power boost" as if you're thinking that Renny is going to get a boost that no one else is getting. Everyone is going to be getting levels after all. I'm just being secretive about how I'm choosing my levels.

And it has nothing to do with you guys "not liking it". Like I said before, this was planned before Gem's statements about killing Renny and all that. The secret is for the purpose of drama.

And the rare candy factor is incorrect. (That would be totally homebrewed for one thing.)

Off to work soon.

[Dracorion]

Bah. If it's something everyone can get and you just wanted to be the first to get it you shouldn't have ever said anything in the first place!

And how is it going to be dramatic at all if it's common enough that we can all have it? Are you turning Renny into a Pokebrid so that he can go in heat and rape Lola?

At least have the decency to point us in the right direction. As in, point us at the hints you've given, at the very least. You've already fucked up in revealing that there was a secret, now it's just going to suck when you reveal it unless we have a great chance at figuring it out.

[Astral Harmony]

That reminds me. Menarker, would you kindly send me that PM again? I deleted it by accident since my inbox was getting full.

[Dracorion]

... I hate you.

[Astral Harmony]

I'm the GM. If Menarker wanted to have Renny do something like that, he'd have to let me know, so it's only obvious that I'd get a PM from him.

And how can you hate me? Pierce scored with Shizuka! After knowing her for all of several hours. Hell, I'm surprised you don't just go for broke and start flirting with anything that has a uterus. Just use Shizuka that way.

Pierce: "Hey, baby. Was your dad a terrorist, or do I have a really big penis?"
Lola: "Pierce, what in the hell're you talking about?"
Pierce: "I scored with Shizuka."
Lola: "...Hmmm. Well, if Shizuka let you get her, I suppose I can follow suite easily enough."

- Pokemon Umbral: Better Than InuYasha Because Someone Can Get Laid In This Story

[Dracorion]

That is absolutely the worst pickup line ever and I'm going to start using it on every chick in the RP.

You make a good argument, however. Fine, you get to live.

Menarker is screwed, though.

EDIT: No seriously, I mean it literally makes me cringe.

[Menarker]

AB!!!! Don't go encouraging others to try (or even succeed) in seducing Lola!

Anyhow, I'll resend you the PM shortly. (Just got home from work).

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just edited Revenard's custom attack into Charlotte's profile. Any suggestions for a name?

Pierce: "Hey, baby. Was your dad a terrorist, or do I have a really big penis?"
Charlotte: Yes and no.

[Menarker]

Spectral Reaver?

[Geminex]

Menarker: Regarding your first point, we don't care enough about your plan for it to create suspense. If you reveal it in 2-3 missions, we won't be going OH MY GOD. We'll most likely just be all like "oh, that". There's no suspense there. This is simply a matter of... fairness.

Secondly, I really don't think what you're planning can endanger my own plans. You can't threaten me. You can annoy me, yes, but if it's long-term, I can find a way around it. I never saw this as any attempt to derail my plans or challenge me, particularly since the plan I posted was, quite frankly, idle speculation. I'm surprised you think it was serious. Sure, I might implement something of the sort, but I'm realistic: There's easier ways to shame and kill your character.

And yes, I didn't take into account character development. Y'know why? Cause I can't predict that. I can observe it, and modify plans accordingly, but I can't predict it.

And see, here's the thing: None of my plans, not a one, are static. They're always going to change, based on circumstances and twists, I'm always going to have to improvise. And here's another thing: You're at a crossroads here. Because you can either tell me about your plan. In which case I'll keep updating everyone else about mine. Or you can remain silent. In which case I will do the same. And see, when I modify that betray-Renny-and-Charlotte-in-one-strok to make it actually feasible? You won't know about it.
So honestly, there's no reason to keep it secret. And this is the last chance you'll get to tell me.

Oh, and would I be breaking any agreements by taking over PATCA before mission 4? Because as far as I remember it's permissible, it's just not easy. Though you do get Lola. Till death do you part.

But we've spent too much time on this. It isn't important enough to warrant this kind of attention... Let's get back to the relevant things. Like pickup lines.

[Dracorion]

Don't change the subject Menarker. Spill it.

Bard: Big Bad Wolf? Bloodlust? Bloody Fang?

See Menarker? See what Gem said? You'll doom us all, man!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Regarding your first point, we don't care enough about your plan for it to create suspense.

Clearly you do care, since you're making a big deal about him telling you. Arguably, your insistence shows that some suspence had been built by your waiting. Just saying. I really don't care if he reveals it or not.

Spectral Reaver?

Like it. If I can't think of anything else before the day is over, I'll probably go with this.

[Dracorion]

Arguably.

I mean, he didn't say he didn't care. He only said he didn't care enough.

[Geminex]

Clearly you do care, since you're making a big deal about him telling you. Arguably, your insistence shows that some suspence had been built by your waiting. Just saying. I really don't care if he reveals it or not.
I'm arguing on principle. It's not much of a practical consideration, I think, it's simply an issue of "I tell you, you tell me". Also, I'm establishing dominance, cause if I let Menarker dance our of line, what next? Anarchy, that's what. Inefficient anarchy.

And besides, our collective attention span is so short, by the next thread we'll probably have forgotten. So even if we care now, we won't care later. Mind you, I will be implementing whatever consequences I see fit, but, again, out of principle.

And Bard, I thought we were bros! Why ain't you supportin' me?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Nausea, probably. Just sat through a 2 hour car ride. Got a point though, who is to say that Menarker ain't really abusing the system and just being stealthy about it?He's tried before, I think. I think it was the reason we had +10 discussion threads for a single mission.

Tell us now Menarker! The resulting discussion of the reveal would fuel more argument and discussion than not revealing it ever would!

[Geminex]

Ah, that sucks. I prefer trains over cars.
Oh, and I got my braces out today. I'm quite pleased, smile looks much more predatory than it used to.

And I'd accuse you of being a cover troll if you weren't so very, very blatant. Still, pretty cool troll. Was Charlotte's dad really a terrorist?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Was Charlotte's dad really a terrorist?

I dunno. Probably in one way or another. Maybe she wasn't actually answering Pierce's questions in order and was just being covert about a compliment?

[Geminex]

How'd she know, though? Gossip with Shizuka? And when's your sidequest? I'll take it we'll learn more about Charlotte's parentage then?

[Dracorion]

We should get off the subject of Pierce's penis.

I get my own NPCs! I could make it canon, you know.

But if Pierce and Charlotte are going to sleep together and that's how she knows about his big penis, it should be between Mission 3 and Pierce's sidequest. Or maybe we could do it retroactively.

[Geminex]

...
Agreed, provided that Liz is also closely related to Pierce. And Sam and Liz are your only two, for now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I presume that Charlotte's sidequest will be after Impact's and before Matt's. And yeah, I'll go into more detail of Charlotte's horrendously badly written back story. May or may not just make it worse.

[Dracorion]

Well if they're not closely related now, they're going to be.

And who knows what Aria's done to Pierce while he's sleeping?

But if Pierce and Charlotte are going to sleep together and that's how she knows about his big penis, it should be between Mission 3 and Pierce's sidequest. Or maybe we could do it retroactively.

[Bard The 5th LW]

It's not likely to happen. Just saying that it was a possibility.

I also say that we all get back to yelling at Menarker. Dunno why.

[Geminex]

Ok, that's it. Stop talking about Pierce's penis, I'm getting hungry.

Let's discuss stats. We've agreed that speed should totally be indicative of critical hit chance, but how're we going to do it exactly.

My suggestion would be as follows:
Simply:
Total crit chance: Base crit chance x ((Speed)/150)

That'd mean that if you have at least 150 speed (which is what you'd get with a base stat of 70), you'll have a standard basic crit chance. If you have double that, you'll double your base crit chance.
That seem acceptable?

Edit:
And Bard, the only one Charlotte is sleeping with is Shannon. Get on that. She can have her freedom back afterwards.
...
Or, I guess, we could just have Shannon die to the Ruin types... that might affect Moon enough as well...

[Dracorion]

Ok, that's it. Stop talking about Pierce's penis, I'm getting hungry.

And I will never sleep well again.

Anyway, I don't do math. So to close the matter on Pierce's penis, Bard, all it takes is alcohol and poor judgment on their part. I'm thinking drinking contest.

[Astral Harmony]

Hell, no, Shannon ain't dying. Hell, if Shannon was doomed to perish, Charlotte would've gunned her dead in Mission 1. I mean, aside from her love pairing with Moon, it's not like she's done anything important.

Anyways, I'll finish up. Time to have Pokegeddon kick your ass and then paint them in a good light. This plot just gets weirder and weirder.

[Geminex]

Yes, her love pairing with moon! The one that's preventing Moon from marrying two women and combining the power of two huge organizations into one easy-to-manipulate individual.

And make her 5 years older and have her be attracted to Charlotte. It's that or death. I'm being so serious here.

[Astral Harmony]

But there's so much comedy to be tapped in the bizarre love triangle...or is it the love square? Moon's going to have quite an unwanted harem before we get very far.

I'm almost done with the post. Just working on how Lexhur will function.

Here's the basic rundown:

Destroyers like Lexhur function on Rage Points, big time. Their maximum is 500 Rage Points, they start with 100 and generate 100 more each turn. All of their attacks cost Rage Points, and so long as they have the necessary Rage, you can have them attack multiple times in the same turn. Because of the size (Lexhur) or because of other factors like shedding powerful waves of energy that could leave you nauseated (Dinner), Destroyers do not take part in the formation, but are still quite close enough to use Rage Rockets on. Still, because their powerful moves cost more Rage than yours do, it may not be worth it to buff their Rage and just let them generate it on their own.

Lexhur will explain all this in-game as well as his character being posted there.

[Geminex]

Exactly, comedy!
Charlotte has Drunken Sex with Pierce, which makes them feel really awkward. Shizuka is pissed at Pierce but Pierce is busy trying to regain Chizuru's heart. Meanwhile, Charlotte has fantasies about Shannon, who, in turn, seems happy with the belaugered moon! It's a wonderful network of love and intrigue!

And Lexhur sounds cool. Does he get rage normally as well? Like, 5/attack? It wouldn't be much, but it might help. And can he get attacked?

[Astral Harmony]

No, he doesn't generate rage that way and cannot be attacked. Not like a snipe attack would do much to Lexhur's immense metal frame. I made it this way because I don't wanna be juggling his Rage on top of all of yours.

[Geminex]

Ok, that's very useful. How much rage do they spawn with? And how powerful are they, exactly? Examples aren't enough, I want cold, hard numbers.

Edit:
And goddammit. I severely dislike our foes. I don't care how much pokegeddon are going to help us later, next time we meet, they die. Or, at the very least, we spar.

Can Lexhur's uber-technique, "Lexhur Laser", can it kill wildfire in a single hit?

[Astral Harmony]

Why don't you give it a try 'n' see?

[DanteFalcon]

You ever get those colds where you start to get better and then you hit a brick wall of Kinda sick but not really? Or am I just a freak like that?

Hate it when this happens.

[Geminex]

Because you're a cheating bastard. Especially in regards to Gardenoir. Seriously, from now on, could we get enemies whose abilities are governed by rules which we're capable of discovering?

Because this game runs on rules. And it's really frustrating to fight enemies who don't. I'm not even joking. Strong enemies, sure, but please ones which have restrictions?

As for why you should tell us: Because we have no other way of finding out. And like I said,
You: Cheating bastard
Lexhur: Takes a while to get 400 RPs

Don't wanna risk it.

Ok, I'm done bitching now. Other than Gardenoir invading everything like a cheating whore who's going to regret ever evolving, I liked it. Particularly the enemy signature techniques. Spectacular indeed.

And does Wildfire get to attack us already next turn? Like, is it:
We heal
Wildfire attack
Or:
We heal
Wildfire arrives
We attack
Wildfire attacks
?

Edit:
Oh, and dibs on a rivalry with Gardenoir. Seriously, she will serve Impact, or she will burn. Not sure which. But she'll fall, oh yes.

[Menarker]

Sorry guys. Spent the last 5+ hours playing/beating the video game Trauma Team before I take it back to rental store.

Nausea, probably. Just sat through a 2 hour car ride. Got a point though, who is to say that Menarker ain't really abusing the system and just being stealthy about it?He's tried before, I think. I think it was the reason we had +10 discussion threads for a single mission.

Tell us now Menarker! The resulting discussion of the reveal would fuel more argument and discussion than not revealing it ever would!

I don't see how I tried abusing the system. Each time, I either asked AB, laying out the details (and AB, being the GM, had the ability to reject it later for the sake of the game) or do a legit tactic that we decided to edit because it didn't work well in the context of this RP like as per Psych Up. Yes, I power-game a bit, but AB said we'd all need to do a bit of that to get past the hard stuff. But I don't try to pull the wool over people eyes, since I do go over the questionable stuff in detail when they become relevant.

Anyhow, I'm only explaining one crucial detail because I still want to keep the suspense of the entire thing. God, the fact that you guys couldn't figure it out yourself make me think you're all
A: Babies
B: Lazy
C: Retarded (Possible, but I hope not)

Ah well.

Factor 1: I stated I had been planning something for some time. (I wasn't 100% sure at the time, but was thinking hard on it.)
Factor 2: I said it doesn't require any homebrew stuff. Thus it would have to be something from AB's rules/database. Like the rewards from leveling.
Factor 3: Renny already has the max of 6 pokemons, so Snagger and Trainer offers little new, mainly boosting what he already has.
Factor 4: Slayers don't have a lot of customization (compared to pokemon choice of the other classes). So that is ruled out effectively. Thus it could be assumed that, yes, Pokebrid would be considered as the only remaining class, and the one with one of the most customization.
Factor 5: As you probably noted, I responded "tongue in cheek" to Impact's plan. In particular, the statement that he would ambush and kill Charlotte and Renny. Possible reasons could include...
A: I believe that Renny could beat Impact. (Unlikely, especially when I said that my "plan" would not endanger Impact's plan.)
B: I believe that Renny would have a way to survive... something like... pokebrid into a pokemon that knows Teleport. There are lots of them, even among those who don't have psychic powers. A few electric, a fire type, water type, some normal types...

Possible thing to consider in case B is true. Teleport might be usable with Divide to teleport two people out of combat. This is because of how the move Teleport can be used out of battle to teleport the trainer by the pokemon using it. Since that is the case, teleport isn't really a self-target only move since it is the pokemon casting it on behalf of the trainer. Naturally though, there was no purpose for this detail in the actual games, so in battle, it's the useless move that somehow became TM 18 in Generation 1. Hell, even Arcanine could learn it.

Anyhow, that's all I'm telling. I explained why I said what I said.
"NOW NO MORE QUESTIONS!" You'll wait for the rest.

EDIT: Why did the Pokegeddon say that Pegidash was dead? He DID have that number 1 above the head which hinted self-ressurection. Nevermind. Tired from 5+ hours of video games and not noticing stuff in the post...

Anyhow, if Renny gets more rage, he could do Prosperous Gifts again and heal whomever is still conscious but injuried with Full Restore.

*Is happy that Mollesk survived the onslaught, even despite no def buff, even if it is in critical condition.*

Does it bug anyone that Gardenoir could do an Umbral Awakening which we thought was unique to Ruin Generals?

[Geminex]

Oh come on. That's it? I was right. Totally not worth arguing over.

As implying that we're somehow babies and/or retarded for not figuring it out...
Seriously?
Let's see here.
Primarily, that train of thought that you've explained really isn't logical at all. I mean, it makes sense, but there's really no reach the conclusion using only what vauge hints you had given. Maybe you're annoyed that we made you say it, maybe you're just feeling superior to us (in which case, get off my turf!), I don't know. But what you've outlined isn't obvious, and you couldn't expect anyone to guess it.

Besides, it's irrelevant. Once sentence:
In Trainer battles, Teleport will always fail

But still, thanks for telling us.

And it's a nice idea, actually. Buff-up Renny's rage, full restores all around. We can use that.

[Dracorion]

Meh. Not like it's going to help Pierce.

It'd be nice if someone could use a Revive on Blaziken. That 25 Rage from Vengeful Rage, plus the 25 he's going to get from reviving Tyranitar will be a big help. Let's see how Cerulean Wildfire likes some sand stuck in his gears.

Plus, y'know, I'm betting Hellfire should be a little more effective on Wildfire.

We need to face some flinchable enemies! I refuse to go through this mission without using Pierce's Signature Sequence at least once!

GAH! I hate Pokegeddon! HATE! FUCKING CHEATERS! Next time we meet, they are dead! YOU HEAR ME? DEAD!

And Menarker, are you freaking kidding me? I got it right? You're turning Renny into a Pokebrid so he can go in heat and fuck Lola?

You're disgusting, man.

[Geminex]

Right, Drac. I severely dislike them as well. I've got dibs on Gardenoir, I'll take her. You want Pegidash?

And what casualties did we take? I'm too lazy to compile them. Or maybe I will...

Okay, here we go:
Critical damage:
Matt
Harliette
Impact
Mollesk (R)
Spitz (C)
Renny's Shaymin, from last battle

Knocked out:
Hammond (C)
Blaziken (P)
Tyranitar (P)
Lanturn (M)
Empoleon (M)
Vespiqueen (H)
Wormadam (H)
Swampert (R)

We definitely need full restores on our humans... which of our casualties do we need to revive? Because Rachel, using a max revive, is more or less equivalent to a rage rocket and a full restore.
I'm really thinking that we should revive based on our rage.
Hey, AB, what's the ruling on using Max Revives with Renny's gifts technique?
Anyway, I'm actually thinking we should target the enemy soldiers before we hit Wildfire. More vulnerable, and, potentially, more annoying. Certainly their specialists, and considering that their foot soldiers can knock one of us out for 3 turns, they should probably go down as well...

[Dracorion]

Every pokemon except Mollesk and Spitz is down, Impact and Matthias, Mollesk, Spitz and Harliette are critically wounded. Specifically: Vespiquen, Wormadam, Empoleon, Lanturn, Fathom, Swampert, Hammond, Tyranitar and Blaziken are down.

Dibs on Lopunnish. Suck it Menarker!

EDIT: Actually, I didn't see Fathom anywhere in AB's post. Either he forgot, or Fathom was pulled out for Moon to use his Signature Sequence, or they just didn't target it.

[Geminex]

Yah, I edited that in. Wasn't empoleon moon's? Oh, wait, it was rachel's. Weird.

[Dracorion]

Did you say we need to take care of the footsoldiers?

Why, that seems like an excuse to use Pierce's Signature Sequence to me!

Just pitch 'im a Rage Rocket and enjoy the fanservice.

[Geminex]

Wait, which one? Chizuru's flinching? Hey, yeah. Nice one.

Any thoughts on which pokemon you all want to deploy? We have one rounds' worth of time to prepare, so maybe something with a buff move. Pierce should send out Aria, we shouldn't use too many fire types.

[Dracorion]

Pierce's second can be Tyranitar. Again, get some sand all up in Wildfire's gears. Y'know how AB is with the environment, it might work! Although keep in mind that Aria's Drizzle would fuck up any fire attacks you want to throw at the footsoldiers.

I do agree with sending out Aria. I seem to remember AB saying or implying that Cerulean Wildfire and the rest of the HPG mechs can be inflicted with Overload and Short conditions.

Plus, if Pierce revives Tyranitar there's no need to use a Rage Rocket on him.

[Geminex]

Well, before AB replies regarding Prosperous Max Revives, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, I think. Assuming we can't get max revives all round, we should focus on reviving our more valuable pokemon, and giving the rest prosperous Full Restores.

Hammond, Tyranitar and Swampert look like the only ones we couldn't do without... and I'm not even sure about Hammond and Swampert. Maybe one of moon's pokemon as well, just to give him some rage.

And what poison attacks do we have at ready? What with all the rain, we probably shouldn't use fire against the foot soldiers.
Unless Pierce only deploys Aria at the beginning of the second turn (after wildfire arrives)
Then we could get one rounds' worth of sunny-day boosted fire attacks against the humans. Pierce could start the next round by sending in Aria, for the rain. The only problem is that we'd take increased fire damage from wildfire...
I still like the thought of using fire again, though.

[Dracorion]

Poison? We have Matthias, Harliette's Nidoqueen (Sludge Bomb, Toxic), Shannon's Shiftry (Toxic), Shannon's Roserade (Poison Jab). Matt hasn't taken an Enforcer yet, I think. So there's either Aster (Gastrodon or Lucario forms both have Poison attacks) or Hector's Skuntank (Sludge Bomb, Toxic)

[Geminex]

Cool. I think fire's still better, though. Particularly cause we already have sunny day in action, don't we?

[Dracorion]

We should still have it.

Anyway, we have a free turn to heal and get ready 'n' shit. I imagine Menarker is practically orgasming because he can buff Mollesk without anyone whining about him wasting an attack.

[Geminex]

Let mollesk actually buff itself?
Naaaah. There's got to be better things we could do with that action. Like have it try to tapdance. Or bake a cake.

...

Ok, ok, I'm joking. I'm not sure whether it's the best possible choice, but it's a possibility.

[Bard The 5th LW]

How come future shock did nothing with no explanation to why it did nothing? Did Zeus rod absorb it? Why did I just waste the RPs for nothing to happen?

Anyways, I'll probably need Hammond revived or Spitz healed. Maybe send out Sol-leks for Nasty Plot, but it seems we won't need fire.

E: Charlotte may be a little OOC with that speech, but I felt it necessary to point out to the Pokegeddon all of the things wrong with what they just did in the RP itself. Maybe they'll think before cheating next time.

[Dracorion]

I have no idea what happened to your Future Shock. Lopunnish didn't really deploy the Zeus Rod until Lanturn's move, so it should have hit all three targets.

Hey AB, I demand that Future Shock hit it's intended targets and that Lopunnish dies!

DAMNIT BARD! YOU FUCKING STOLE MY SPEECH.

[Bard The 5th LW]

To be fair, Charlotte is mostly exasperated and confused with their idiocy. Pierce is abhorred and disgusted with it. Same meaning, different emotions behind them.

[Dracorion]

You know, after Gardenoir's Signature Technique, I'm thinking maybe Pokegeddon are spliced with Ruin DNA. Or maybe a Ruin General or Progenitor.

[Menarker]

You know, after Gardenoir's Signature Technique, I'm thinking maybe Pokegeddon are spliced with Ruin DNA. Or maybe a Ruin General or Progenitor.

I kinda said something like that in my last post already. Although where they got access to that is anyone's guess. Although they did say they were terrorists, so perhaps they know that what they were doing who was helping them or where they got their power was wrong.

In Trainer Battles, Teleport always fails.
That's because due to the age of the game back when pokemon existed during the days before Gameboy Color, technology was limited and thus the only thing that developers thought would make sense for teleport was using it to duplicate Running Away, which isn't allowed in trainer battles (Plus it made getting Abra a bit of a chore). In the course of this RP, we totally have the ability to roleplay us running away or using it for evasion, so there is no reason to expect that Teleport will actually fizzle on us just because we're in a battle. Used tons of times in the anime and all that during battle.

AB: In that note, could you come up with practical use for Teleport in combat, or at least allow it in battles if we wanted to run away or something?

We definitely need full restores on our humans... which of our casualties do we need to revive? Because Rachel, using a max revive, is more or less equivalent to a rage rocket and a full restore.

Not correct. Rachel's secondary ability is apply something like the move "Safeguard" to anyone who gets a healing item applied to them from her, but she doesn't give any actual extra healing. That's Lola's second ability with the one turn half healing regeneration.
Mind you, it would still operate like a rage rocket in addition.

Anyway, I'm actually thinking we should target the enemy soldiers before we hit Wildfire. More vulnerable, and, potentially, more annoying. Certainly their specialists, and considering that their foot soldiers can knock one of us out for 3 turns, they should probably go down as well...

Agree.

Dibs on Lopunnish. Suck it Menarker!

Hey, I like Lola specifically, not all Lopunnies. If you want to beat down a bit on Lopunnish for all the reckless killing she has done, have fun. Just try not to kill them if the situation is not a life-death one. We might need them in the future.

Anyway, we have a free turn to heal and get ready 'n' shit. I imagine Menarker is practically orgasming because he can buff Mollesk without anyone whining about him wasting an attack.

Let mollesk actually buff itself?
Naaaah. There's got to be better things we could do with that action. Like have it try to tapdance. Or bake a cake.
...
Ok, ok, I'm joking. I'm not sure whether it's the best possible choice, but it's a possibility.

Well, you saw for yourself how hardy it was. Took the entire 3 super attacks of the Pokegeddons, one which was super effective. Still standing. Double that defence would be damn useful

Plus, it's still technically the same battle, so Defender's Crest is on its third turn and Mollesk can do two moves this turn. He'd be able to do two Cosmic Powers (4 stages to def and special def), tripling his defence and special defence, which given that our pokemons should be quite high leveled, probably is close to maxing it at 999.


Hammond, Tyranitar and Swampert look like the only ones we couldn't do without... and I'm not even sure about Hammond and Swampert. Maybe one of moon's pokemon as well, just to give him some rage.


Well, Swampert would be useful just because as a water type, he can actually benefit from any rain dance we use to protect against Wildfire and resist the fire type attack.


Just pitch 'im a Rage Rocket and enjoy the fanservice.

>_> I can imagine what could happen when we resume battle. Renny does Prosperous Gifts for some sort of healing (summoning Lola according to AB) exactly at the same time that Pierce summons Chizuru for his Gal-Tech.
Cue some sort of support cat-fight dance-off as Lola's competitive nature tries to one-up Chizuru.

[Astral Harmony]

I really don't wanna allow Max Revives. I wanna allow Revives, though.

Damnit, Menarker, that thing is broken all to hell.

Demand to kill Lopunnish denied. If you don't like it, kill her yourself if you should get the chance.

Gardenoir's SignTech being called Umbral Awakening could just be a coincidence.

Well, I suppose Teleport could just be another version of Protect.

[Bard The 5th LW]

You ahve not yet answered what happened to Future Shock. It got a brief mention, but never did anything. I WILL NOT BE IGNORED! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!

[Menarker]

Well, the fine print in the description of Prosperous Gifts says that revival items are greatly reduced in power. (I figured when I made the move that revival items keeping their full power is absurdly overpowered) Max Revives would probably have the same effect of normal revives when used with that ability.

Umbral Awakening "naming" hardly seems a coidenence especially since those guys ALSO used Supreme Restore which we saw The Dark and Light used. We saw Umbral Awakening from Phantomere. Both of them were associated with Faynoc. Clearly the chances are high they got support from some rather questionable sources. (Although it may not be Faynoc himself)

[Astral Harmony]

Future Shock is still there, and should start working the moment Cerulean Wildfire shows up.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Ahh, pretty cool in that case.

[Dracorion]

Hey, I like Lola specifically, not all Lopunnies. If you want to beat down a bit on Lopunnish for all the reckless killing she has done, have fun. Just try not to kill them if the situation is not a life-death one. We might need them in the future.

I promise nothing.

But seriously? Neither Pierce nor his pokemon actually kill anyone. I'm getting tired of saying that.

Though if Pokegeddon ever runs into Pierce again, they'll definitely be shitting in their pants.

Hey AB, characters should get like double or triple Rage Point generation from everything (y'know, attacking, recieving damage, Vengeful Rage, Second Wind, Rage Rockets) when they're pissed. Legitimately pissed, of course. Like Pierce during his sidequest or Pierce right now at Pokegeddon.

[Geminex]

Not correct. Rachel's secondary ability is apply something like the move "Safeguard" to anyone who gets a healing item applied to them from her, but she doesn't give any actual extra healing. That's Lola's second ability with the one turn half healing regeneration.
...
What?
A max revive would fully heal whatever we use it on. Hence, "full restore".
It would also give 25 RPS. Hence, "Rage rocket".

And Menarker, see, my main problem with Mollesk is that, while it has huge defense, how does that help it? I mean, sure, it can take a lot of hits, but there's tons of other targets around. Why would enemies attack it specifically? And, I mean, you put almost everything into survivability. It has good attack, but it doesn't really have the attacks to make use of that. So what you really have is a hard-to-kill pokemon that really can't do much killing itself.

And Drac, we get double rage when our morale's low. I don't think we get extra rage for being angry.

[Dracorion]

Well, we should, Gem. I mean, it's the Rage Point System. If you can't get points for being angry, it's just a stupid misnomer.

Also, I think Menarker intends to have Mollesk use Follow Me sometime. Or he would, if it wouldn't kill his precious super-tank!

[Geminex]

Yes. But see, emotion usually does not influence the outcome of a battle. I simply see "Rage points" as an abstract value for motivation and stamina and willingness to use incredibly strong attacks.

And even with follow me, it's situational at best. Particularly since a lot of enemy attacks are multi-target with accompanying status effects.

[Dracorion]

Misnomer.

And yeah, I do agree that Mollesk is very very wrong. For example, giving it Double Team for it's whopping Speed stat of 1 was a bad move. Should've put an attack instead.

Recover isn't really all that useful when you can have a Medic use a Full Restore on Mollesk. And like Gem said, Follow Me is very situational.

[Geminex]

Double team raises evasion. Not speed. It just makes it more defensible. AND GOOD THING TOO HOW ELSE WOULD IT SURVIVE IF IT DIDN'T HAVE LUDICROUS EVASION AS WELL AS LUDICROUS DEFENSES AND HIGH HP.

[Astral Harmony]

You're not getting more Rage by being pissed. Hell, Warriors in World of Warcraft don't get it, and considering what a player in World of Warcraft, especially a Warrior class, has to put up with, they deserve more Rage for that shit than you do for the shit you put up with.

Oh teh noes. Some super Pokebrid thing kicked your ass. Might not be the last time something like that happens, though I think that's the first and last time that the main formation was hopelessly outmatched.

By the next time you fight them, I'm sure you'll be amply equipped to fight them despite the fact that they are cheaters because they Chuck Norris'd the rules that you people are bound by.

[Dracorion]

Oh, come on! We could've taken them. We totally could've taken them. We probably would've had to pull Charlotte and Matthias back in favor of their Enforcers. Then concentrated on spreading the pain around, but targetting Regina in particular for being the weakest link.

Mind you, it wouldn't have been easy. The battle would've lasted forever and we would've taken heavy casualties. But we totally would've won.

And just let Cerulean Wildfire try to finish us off after beating Pokegeddon. We just beat a team that completely breaks the game! Gimmie your best shot.

[Geminex]

I don't mind them being strong!
Just that they cheat. Can they please not cheat? It's seriously no fun, otherwise. Make them as powerful as you like, but please let there be rules that they're restricted by.

And hey, if not for Gardenoir's "Look at me! you can't hit me because FUCK YOU", we would've totally stood a chance. Even without Lexhur, we still had one hell of a lot of stuff in reserve. Though admittedly, their habit of reviving after a turn would've eventually killed us.

[Dracorion]

Bah. That only means it was the kind of gimmick battle where you have to kill all the enemies at once. Totally doable.

[Bard The 5th LW]

We probably would've had to pull Charlotte and Matthias back in favor of their Enforcers.

Now I'm sad because I'm a hindrance. )':

[Dracorion]

Not so much a hindrace as you have a Trainer for an Enforcer.

[Geminex]

They were hurting us pretty badly. I think we would've run out of pokemon and items before managing a 6-at-once kill. And let's not forget Regina.

And charlotte could have been useful. Spitz' superfang worked against our foes, meaning that he'd have been worth half a kill every turn.

[Dracorion]

And with Spitz's Super Fang, not to mention Swampert and Magnezone Mimicking it, you're telling me we would've lost? We could've gotten them all to half health in two turns. And then? Regina be fucked.

Of course they hit us hard. But how many RPs do you think those Signature Techniques cost them? They do function on RPs, apparently.

[Geminex]

Look, I'm just making an estimate. And I estimate that we would have, eventually, lost. I don't know, I just think so.

Altarisect's bugs which she laced anything that attacked her with would probably have come into play. Plus Lopunnish's Zeus Rod (which, I'm sure, would have hurt us somehow).
Weakening them, instead of killing, has the downside of them actually being able to heal themselves. Sure, we could've gotten them all down to half-health. But we, I think, wouldn't have had the firepower to finish them off, particularly since it would've been possible for just one or two to heal themselves back to full. Then we'd just have a scenario whereby we've managed to kill all but one or two of them, but a round later they all revive again. And with the amount of items they probably had, they could have kept that up for quite a while.

And I don't think they need signature techniques. They can just attack normally, that does pretty huge damage as well.

[Dracorion]

Yeah, but at least with normal attacks they wouldn't have been able to do what they did this turn. Y'know, wipe out almost all of our combatants.

I don't know if any of them had the capacity to heal themselves. Gardenoir, Frossqueen and Altarisect I think may have had moves to heal themselves with, but their primary source of healing would've been Regina, who we could just keep asleep.

If Gardenoir, Altarisect and Frossqueen couldn't heal themselves, then we just weakened all of them and took out Regina's pokemon and weakened Regina a bit. If they gain RPs from auto-reviving, we'd have to keep Pokegeddon alive the whole time we're taking out Regina's pokemon and take some heavy casualties. I'm talking most of our combatants down and trainers maybe having one or two or three pokemon left. Then we'd go for the kill, loosing Signature Techniques and Synchronization Techniques and Signature Sequences until they all die.

If Gardenoir, Altarisect and Frossqueen could heal themselves, follow the above plan except ignoring those three.

[Menarker]

...

And Menarker, see, my main problem with Mollesk is that, while it has huge defense, how does that help it? I mean, sure, it can take a lot of hits, but there's tons of other targets around. Why would enemies attack it specifically? And, I mean, you put almost everything into survivability. It has good attack, but it doesn't really have the attacks to make use of that. So what you really have is a hard-to-kill pokemon that really can't do much killing itself.



1: Follow Me can be used to save someone who may be more important or cruical at the time while having the stamina to live a good deal of the time. Or at least act as a serious buffer for the person it is protecting.

2: Its attack is "passable" for dealing with mooks. If it REALLY needs to do a beatdown on a boss, it has the gimicky option of Buffing/Power Trick and Attacking, especially if said attack is a Testament Drive.

3: Being able to take multiple hits means that Renny gains more rage that way. With Follow Me, if Mollesk blocks for someone who is being ganged up on (Requires guessing which target is likely to be hit), Renny gains rage pretty fast.

4: Rock Slide hits two foes, thus Renny gains more rage just a bit faster, thus fueling his support skills.

Thus, it serves as an additional rage building tool and defensive wall at the same time while either serving as a mook damager, team support, or a Boss Nuke. (999 Attack with Testament Drive?)

Admitably though, Recover is less of a useful move than I would have liked. At least I could assumed that Mollesk could heal in between battles with it, but with the recent revelations that Medics have infinite healing items, that is no longer a crucial point.

If/when I make a custom move for Mollesk, I'm thinking something like a high power AOE bug type move that drains a huge portion of the damage back as health. That's entirely at the moment thinking though and haven't thought of anything else huge yet.

Anyhow, part of the problem with the Pokegeddon, was that their stats had gotten boosted by Supreme Restore. Their power was going to be practically all around 2.5 times tougher. They left the fight when they had the "supreme" upper hand.
If we had Mirror as our engineer, she could probably nuke them due to the dark evolith having Punishment which gets stronger when foes get a buff. A Supreme Restore gives 15 stages worth of buffs, 3 for each primary buff stat, Attack, Defense, Speed, Special Attack and Defense. Punishment would have had a power of 360 in that case! If a dark pokemon (preferably one with high attack stat) used it, adding STAB would make it a devasting force, and that's before anything else like weakness or Helping Hand.

Anyhow, do we have a plan now, since AB said that Max Revives would count as normal revives when used with Prosperous Gifts? Are we going to revive the lost pokemons or are we focusing on me using Prosperous Gifts on the Full Restores to heal all the pokebrids and humans?



AB: Shall I assume that Mollesk high enough level that it would max its defense and special defense (999) this turn due to a 4 stage boost? Since Mollesk is tripling his defense and special defense and its base stat at level 50 for those two stats is 230 (according to Serebi's stats of Shuckle which Mollesk's defense is a copy of and that's assuming a neutral nature.) It only needs 333 in those stats to max it out, and a Shuckle with neutral nature can reach 559 at level 100.

[Dracorion]

1: Follow Me can be used to save someone who may be more important or cruical at the time while having the stamina to live a good deal of the time. Or at least act as a serious buffer for the person it is protecting.

Entirely circumstantial. Like you said, you have to guess it.

2: Its attack is "passable" for dealing with mooks. If it REALLY needs to do a beatdown on a boss, it has the gimicky option of Buffing/Power Trick and Attacking, especially if said attack is a Testament Drive.

Already established it takes forever. And leaves the whole team hanging to get fucked while we're waiting for you to make your super-tank and hope to Christ it doesn't get ganged up on in the meantime.

3: Being able to take multiple hits means that Renny gains more rage that way. With Follow Me, if Mollesk blocks for someone who is being ganged up on (Requires guessing which target is likely to be hit), Renny gains rage pretty fast.

4: Rock Slide hits two foes, thus Renny gains more rage just a bit faster, thus fueling his support skills.

Thus, it serves as an additional rage building tool and defensive wall at the same time while either serving as a mook damager, team support, or a Boss Nuke. (999 Attack with Testament Drive?)

You and your Rage.

Admitably though, Recover is less of a useful move than I would have liked. At least I could assumed that Mollesk could heal in between battles with it, but with the recent revelations that Medics have infinite healing items, that is no longer a crucial point.

No comment on Double Team? For shame. I mean, you had better not be thinking of spending three turns for Cosmic Power/Power Trick and then another two for Double Team.

If/when I make a custom move for Mollesk, I'm thinking something like a high power AOE bug type move that drains a huge portion of the damage back as health. That's entirely at the moment thinking though and haven't thought of anything else huge yet.

I'd rather you didn't. For one, I thought Renny was supposed to love all his pokemon equally, yet it seems like Mollesk gets all the cool stuff.

Anyhow, part of the problem with the Pokegeddon, was that their stats had gotten boosted by Supreme Restore. Their power was going to be practically all around 2.5 times tougher. They left the fight when they had the "supreme" upper hand.
If we had Mirror as our engineer, she could probably nuke them due to the dark evolith having Punishment which gets stronger when foes get a buff. A Supreme Restore gives 15 stages worth of buffs, 3 for each primary buff stat, Attack, Defense, Speed, Special Attack and Defense. Punishment would have had a power of 360 in that case! If a dark pokemon (preferably one with high attack stat) used it, adding STAB would make it a devasting force, and that's before anything else like weakness or Helping Hand.

Meh, we could've taken 'em anyway.

Anyhow, do we have a plan now, since AB said that Max Revives would count as normal revives when used with Prosperous Gifts? Are we going to revive the lost pokemons or are we focusing on me using Prosperous Gifts on the Full Restores to heal all the pokebrids and humans?

Do both. I dunno the items Renny's carrying, but have Rachel use Full Restores on Impact and Matthias, and Renny can use a Full Restore on Mollesk and spread a Max Revive for the whole team.

Or just let Mollesk die. I'm okay with that too.

And don't think you can keep ignoring my accusations that you're only making Renny a Pokebrid for an excuse to get into Lola's pants.

[Menarker]

No comment on Double Team? For shame. I mean, you had better not be thinking of spending three turns for Cosmic Power/Power Trick and then another two for Double Team.

I'd rather you didn't. For one, I thought Renny was supposed to love all his pokemon equally, yet it seems like Mollesk gets all the cool stuff.

Do both. I dunno the items Renny's carrying, but have Rachel use Full Restores on Impact and Matthias, and Renny can use a Full Restore on Mollesk and spread a Max Revive for the whole team.

And don't think you can keep ignoring my accusations that you're only making Renny a Pokebrid for an excuse to get into Lola's pants.

Oh? I thought I had written about Double Team. Must have accidently edited it out before submitting. Anyhow, Double Team can be very useful, but it's mainly having to combine it with Cosmic Power that slows it down a lot. Although later on, it might show more use since Mollesk will be strong enough to max out its defense in one turn and have time to spread Double Team during those "3 turn bonus thing" or so. The Simple Ability doubles it potency as well, so it gets evasive faster than most pokemons. (40% of dodging attacks with 1 use)

As for Mollesk's custom move, I was merely brainstorming, as I'm still thinking of stuff for the other pokemons for when I do hit Pokemon Breeder. And Umbreon is first on the list for the boosts I'm thinking of dishing out. I was just thinking how I would make Mollesk more effective to round out any flaws. That way is allowing him to recover health as he attacks, since his defense is very high so he'll take very little damage total after taking healing in consideration. But certainly not set on it.

I would like to hear from Bard and Dante regarding if they intend to use any of their items. Because, I don't want to use an item by itself unless the situation is super desperate.
Would personally prefer to spread Full Restore to everyone hurt and save the revives for when Impact/Matthias/Harriette and other Slayers or certain crucial pokemons are knocked out.

And your pokebrid accusation is incorrect. Renny is quite the gentleman, and seducing someone through the weakened willpower of the pokebrid lust alone is really quite questionable in his mind. Although he himself might feel weak to resist if Lola starts initating such attention his way, although he is the sort to take responsibility if things gets heavy.

[Dracorion]

You can't round out all the flaws. Or rather, you shouldn't. Look at every single pokemon that exists, see that they have flaws and explain to me why Mollesk should be any different.

I get that you like to powergame, but you gotta set up your own restrictions. Mollesk is already a tank, so I'm against it getting any moves that restore HP. Especially not AOE HP-draining moves. Or Evasion boosting, for that matter. Since Evasion implies speed and agility and Mollesk is supposed to be the slow kid.

And you know what you didn't rule out about my accusation? That Renny himself as a Pokebrid would go into heat. And God help Lola in that situation.

[Menarker]

AB said already that those in heat aren't helpless and mindless bangers. They just have that urge and desire more consciously present in their mind (along with the general bodily arousal.)

Anyhow, Mollesk does has a few flaws already. Practically can't crit with any move and can't flinch with Rock Slide due to crap speed. It's attack is passably average and the way it boosts its power is gimicky and defensively risky. It is vulnerable to status conditions and instant kill moves if they hit and stuff that isn't direct damage in general. I'm just selected the first idea that came to my head to work on a particular flaw (balancing survival and offence without spending more turns). Not set in stone, so no worries.

[Dracorion]

Sure. But A) Renny would be entirely unaccustomed the first time around, and B) I'm not sure what lengths you'd go to to get Renny into Lola's pants.

So, if Mollesk can't crit, it's attack could be better, and can't flinch, what the hell is it good for? The entire fucking POINT of a tank is to give it a giant goddamn cannon.

Rage points, you say? There'll come a time when Renny's Signature Technique and Signature Sequence just aren't going to be necessary. So by the time you do use either of them you could've gathered up the RPs without Mollesk anyway.

Also no status condition is going to matter if you give it that AOE drain (crap Attack, so confusion wouldn't be threatening, can tank through Poison, Freeze and Burn, no point in Sleep since it'll wake up after being attacked anyway, so the only statuses worth it would be, what, paralysis and flinch?), and no one uses insta-kill anyway. Even if they did, your defenses are as good as any of the rest of us. And they should remain that way.

[DanteFalcon]

Matt will use his Full Restore if one doesn't come his way. Which doesn't answer your question I know but that's the only answer I can give.

In other news. As of 6/8/2010 I'm 21. 1 year closer to dying.

[Astral Harmony]

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