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Astral Harmony
06-08-2010, 02:01 AM
so i herd that u might not liek mudkipz...

http://www.mhho.com/Studio/2008/FanArt/Mudkip.jpg

Like 'em now? 'Cause dayuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumn.

Anyways, I wouldn't really say that Pokegeddon was cheating. The difference between the two sides was more like a difference in potential. Think of it like Disgaea. If you have a bunch of level 300's taking on a level 4000, hits just aren't going to connect (this includes magic and special moves), and those that do are on par with love taps. It's not a difference of whether rules were ignored, it's a difference of the fact that they're simply too powerful for rules when their opponents are...well, you guys.

And if you think that's strong, just wait until you see what real badasses like Dinner and Gaea and Idolus can do to your mortal flesh.

Gimme the night off tonight. I'm trying to think about how the battle will work. What I do have figured out is that Cerulean Wildfire will begin in the forefront, and then HPG troopers will mass up and then Ceru will take a back seat and beat you up from safety. She's definitely a Destroyer unit. You should also expect snipers to join in. But it won't be an over-the-top zerg. More like an Engineer and a Sniper appear this turn, then a Medic and another Engineer jump in the next turn, then maybe three soldiers bounce on in on the next turn, and if the numbers get too large, Ceru backs off behind relative safety.

I'm also thinking of throwing in a Pokeweapon. Pokeweapons are rare, genetically-altered Pokemon that aren't like Pokemon Alphas or Pokesapiens at all. Think of like this: what if Beedrill had four more evolutions ahead of it? That's a Pokeweapon. They are big. They are badass. Fortunately, they still fall to type advantages, so they are essentially doable at your levels...I hope.

Menarker
06-08-2010, 02:12 AM
You seem to be a real Mudkip/Swampert fan. ^^
*Swampert starts pushing Renny toward that girl*

Anyhow, that's quite a load of news to take in. The pokeweapons in particular, but Ceru as well...

Anyhow, I doubt we'll be finished planning tonight, so you should be able to rest up tonight.

Anyhow, off to bed.

EDIT: Happy Birthday Dante. Hope you find it enjoyable/rewarding.

Astral Harmony
06-08-2010, 02:19 AM
As a note, Faynoc has the technology and intelligence to make more powerful Pokeweapons, but lacks the resources. The Prideguard is legally allowed to possess a limited force of Pokeweapons, but power-hungry Burkmont wants Faynoc for the R&D he's done on 'em so he can create an unstoppable army of them. Now it makes sense why Burkmont wants Faynoc in his interrogation chamber.

No love among villains, I swear.

And Happy Birthday, Dante! Don't get too plastered if you're still sick. I've never been drunk personally (I'm just not a drinker), but I can only imagine how much it could suck to be both sick and hungover.

DanteFalcon
06-08-2010, 02:56 AM
It is unlikely I will be going out to drink. I have a fairly difficult online class starting this week so I don't really have a lot of time to burn. But should my older bro come home at some point in the future and he gets me drunk I will make him record it, post it on youtube, and link you all to it.

Bard The 5th LW
06-08-2010, 12:49 PM
Sounds cool. Happy Birthday.

Dracorion
06-08-2010, 01:08 PM
... Nah, screw it. I'm not wishing Dante a happy birthday. Because I'm a jerk like that.

Anyway, we need to decide who we're reviving. I suggest that Renny spend 40 Rage to spread a Full Restore on Matt, Impact, Mollesk and Harliette. Rachel uses Max Revives on Tyranitar and Swampert.

Our formation should be something like:

[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Sol-Leks] [Pike] [Bastiodon] [Nidoqueen] [Harliette] [Blissey] [Mollesk] [Swampert] [Aria] [Tyranitar] [Crawdaunt] [Fathom] [Impact] [Evolith/Device Space 2]

We don't have to have Aria out this turn so we can open up with Sunny Day when the baddies arrive. And yeah, didn't revive Hammond in favor of Sol-Leks for fire, and Pike for electric against Cerulean. Not sure about Swampert either.

Menarker
06-08-2010, 01:59 PM
Okay, posting what Impact posted. (Although I editted out Shaymin, because AB said that everyone was fully healed before the Gardenoir joined combat.)
Critical damage:
Matt
Harliette
Impact
Mollesk (Re)
Spitz (C)

Knocked out:
Hammond (C)
Blaziken (P)
Tyranitar (P)
Lanturn (M)
Empoleon (Ra)
Vespiqueen (H)
Wormadam (H)
Swampert (Re)


I got no big objection with Drac's plan, although I second the motion of not having Aria out the first turn. Drac, isn't Tyranitar going to have problems with Aria's rain dance, due to it being a rock type? Same for Mollesk even though it technically comes from a species that lives on beaches and even underwater sometimes. Seems odd to put Aria in the same formation as your own rock pokemon.

Also, Renny is likely to send out Umbreon this turn to use Psych Up instead of Swampert. (Good for 2 stages to all stats since Impact should have +4 to all stats by now.) Plus, we might want to save Swampert for whatever mimic action we may need later on.


AB: Shall I assume that Mollesk high enough level that it would max its defense and special defense (999) this turn due to a 4 stage boost? Since Mollesk is tripling his defense and special defense and its base stat at level 50 for those two stats is 230 (according to Serebi's stats of Shuckle which Mollesk's defense is a copy of and that's assuming a neutral nature.) It only needs 333 in those stats to max it out, and a Shuckle with neutral nature can reach 559 at level 100.

Also, what is Wilhelmina's status? She needed a turn off to deal with the bleeding from Lopunnish. Is she all better now or is the bleeding ok but she is still damaged?

Dracorion
06-08-2010, 02:03 PM
Tyranitar's a tough cookie.

Some of us aren't as anal about defense, you know.

And I don't care how you try to avoid it, Mollesk's going to take a morale hit from Drizzle and that's final.

Menarker
06-08-2010, 02:12 PM
Not as tough as Mollesk defensively though. :3

Good thing about Tyranitar being on the field though? Sandstorm boosts Special Defence of Rock pokemon by 50%. Mollesk is a rock type with the highest caliber in special defense and that's before the tripling of Special Defense with Cosmic Power. ^^

Even more so, that boost does not comply with stage based buffs and can stack. So Mollesk would have more than 999 Special Defense.

From Bulbapedia:

In-battle stat modifiers multiply specific stats by a certain amount, meaning that a higher starting stat will have a bigger change. For each stat, there are six stages of increase, and six stages of decrease. The stages are cumulative: adding a stage of increase, and then a stage of decrease, results in no net change to the stat. The six stages of increase are x1.5, x2.0, x2.5, x3.0, x3.5, and x4.0. The six stages of decrease are 2/3, 1/2, 2/5, 1/3, 2/7, and 1/4. Accuracy and Evasion modifications are calculated in a different manner.

Some modifiers, such as Huge Power and Pure Power, do not work with the above stages, and thus can stack on top of them. For example, a Pokémon with Pure Power and six stages of increase in Attack would have eight times its normal attack.

In Generation IV, during a Sandstorm, all Rock-type Pokémon gain 50% Special Defense, which does not work with stages.

So basically, take Mollesk's special defense (higher than 230 due to higher levels) multiply it by 3, then take 50% of that and stack that on top. ^^

Dracorion
06-08-2010, 02:14 PM
Yep. Now you owe me big time for helping you like that.

Menarker
06-08-2010, 02:20 PM
>_> Being a tad bit ungrateful, eh? You forgetting the rage rockets to Pierce and all the support Renny has been doing? Renny is already doing practically full-time support helping Pierce and everyone else.

*Wonders if I should scratch Pierce off Propserous Gift list* =P

But seriously, I doubt you actually took that in account when sending out Tyranitar. ^^ It'll help out a lot though, and it will likely pay off with a very useful Follow Me protection. Wildfire's plasma attack seems very special type based. Seems like something Mollesk could resist with Special Defense exceeding 1500.

Dracorion
06-08-2010, 02:27 PM
That's different. Because you're not a petty, spiteful bastard and I am.

Besides, Pierce getting extra RPs is much less selfish than Mollesk getting extra Special Defense. Especially since I'm damned certain most of Wildfire's attacks are going to be multi-target, so Follow Me will be useless.

And how would it exceed 1500? Mollesk's Special Defense caps out at 999, take 50% of that and it makes just below 1500.

Menarker
06-08-2010, 03:02 PM
Somehow, you yourself saying that you are a petty spiteful bastard makes me feel much better... somehow... dunno why.

^^; My imagination went wild just waking up in the morning, that I screwed up on the math. Still, a near 500 boost to a stat is pretty freaking sweet.


EDIT: I realized there are probably more "inspired characters" than I originally thought existed...

I mentioned before how Chizuru having the largest breasts and being obssessed with maternal affection and house-wife traits being a shout-out to Mahou Sensei Negima who has a girl with the same name, largest tits in the class and is the most maternal of the entire class (and scary/dangerous if you piss her off apparently.)

Lola seem very much similar to her counterpart in that Loony Toons movie "Space Jams" with the same pink fur, same name, and is a humanoid bunny.

Wilhelmina is a battle maid in this RP, while in Shakugan No Shana there is a battle maid character with the same name. (Although this RP, she is a sniper, while the manga counterpart is a ninja.)

Moon Travoria reminds me rather similar to the Travoria family in Dominic Deegan, Luna in particular (wealthy family, adept with water types.)

Astral Harmony
06-09-2010, 01:10 AM
Whatever you asked about Mollesk's shit was way above my head. Let me go ahead and admit that my knowledge of Pokemon isn't terribly great. My strategy usually never involved buffs and debuffs. It's always been about "Kill that muthafuckah with levels in excess of 30 above the enemy!" I'm a grinder. When it comes to RPGs, I tend to grind my force so that they're way beyond capable of destroying the enemy.

Anyways, let me go ahead and clear a few things up, though it's nothing serious at all:

Gardenoir's Signature Technique being named "Umbral Awakening" actually is a coincidence. They don't know dick about Ruin Pokemon. I was just thinking about an attack named "something of awakening" or "awakening something" and then I said to myself "Hey, I already have something called Umbral Awakening! Why don't I just use that?"

Yep, I'm retarded.

I hadn't seen Mahou Sensei Negima before Chizuru starred off in Soldiers of Light, so that connection is coincidence as well. I've seen it since, but I didn't remember a girl named Chizuru in there. Maybe because there's so many girls in there. Great anime, though.

Lola's reference is pretty spot on, though unconsciously spot on. I wasn't really thinking about it when I created her. I knew there was the name Lola and it was associated with an anthropomorphic bunny, but I just couldn't pin it. Space Jam, eh? Yeah, now I remember.

Wilhelmina is good in name only. I liked that name ever since I heard it on Shakugan no Shana. I tend to work that name in, usually for a mysterious and powerful woman type. Just sounds like a kickass name for a chick, don't it? A name like that probably comes with its own stat boosts.

I was thinking about Garus Vakarian from Mass Effect when I came up with Moon Travorian. Not sure why. I had read Dominic Deegan before, though. That dude knows how to tell some bitchin' stories. Wish I could draw as good as him, too.

EDIT: Just read the posts. Wow, I feel like a dick. When creating those moves, I thought of Sephiroth's uncanny ability to drag the Final Fantasy VII world right into the sun and yet after, the planet still remains and everyone else still seems to be alive. I find it rather humorous how the characters in RPGs are always trying to outdo each other by having the most ridiculous attacks ever. Like when Squall does that one Limit Break where he creates a beam out of his gunblade that actually exits the atmosphere and pierces the heavens.

Rest assured that no people were harmed in the making of those attacks. Those were just physics-defying attacks that are getting all too common in certain RPGs.

Dracorion
06-09-2010, 06:21 AM
Really? I'd prefer it if the attacks actually did kill people.

Mostly because then my post isn't completely ridiculous.

Geminex
06-09-2010, 06:40 AM
...
Menarker, would you like to do the honors on this one?

Oh, and sorry 'bout my absence today. Been busy. I'll post later this evening.

Edit:
Oh, and we need to have at least one more party that features Karaoke. Preferrably when I have time to post. Cause then I could have Impact get drunk and sing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ&feature=fvw

Edit2:
Did you realize: "Slaughter" is just laughter with an S at the front.
You also can't spell "funeral" without FUN, but that's another matter.
Anyway, what to do?
I'm fine with what healing we're currently doing, but we have some spare resources. Let's buff a bit.
Charlotte should probably go for a nasty plot again... not sure about the other move. Maybe use a max revive on hammond? Or a rage rocket on herself. Whatever she wants.
Pierce... does tyranitar have any buff moves? Try to power up a bit. I'm not sure what you could do.
Renny's busy...
Impact has a Max Revive at hand, he could use it to do some good for once. Question is... who?
I don't think Harliette has many buff moves. Healing, yes. But no buff. Just let her sit there and wait? Suggestions would be welcome.
I'm sure matt can buff himself. Does Porygon2 have nasty plot? If so, use that. If not, take your pick. And what uber-techniuqe does your Porygon form have? Have you chosen one yet?
Moon has some nice buff moves. He could send out poliwrath and have it use bulk up. He also has swords dance on Crawdaunt, but I don't think that would help us much. Though then again, crabhammer is pretty strong. What d'you all think?
Rachel's obviously off using items. She can heal her empoleon for free, since she loses 25 extra-item rage and gains 25 pokemon-revived rage.

And I think that's it. Not much, but we're an offensive team, not optimized for buffing...

Menarker
06-10-2010, 12:18 AM
AB: Still waiting to hear if Wilhelmina is in good condition or badly damaged and all that, due to Lopunnish's attack.

Anyhow, I'll leave your buffing/healing matters that isn't Renny related up to you guys, almost pretty much everyone is healed up. Had done my post already.

Although I would think Crawdaunt's Sword Dance would be good for picking off soldiers. It got a naturally high power after all, so doubling that is good. ^^

Matt could use Psych Up on Impact with Poryzon Z to get +2 stage boosts to all stats (since Impact should be at +4 by now) ^^ Doubling all the boostable stats would be neat, especially since Porygon Z got Special Attack as high as Alakazam (Its Hyper Beam is probably the strongest possible due to STAB in addition to the high Special Attack.)

As for Harriette, check to see if any of her remaining pokemons have a buff move or something they can prepare in advance.

Bard The 5th LW
06-10-2010, 12:25 AM
Really? I'd prefer it if the attacks actually did kill people.

Mostly because then my post isn't completely ridiculous.


Agreed. Otherwise, we become Dragon Ball Z.

And yeah my turn will consist of this.
Sol-leks: Nasty Plot
Other: Max Revive on Hammond

Astral Harmony
06-10-2010, 02:42 AM
Nah, we're not Dragon Ball Z. It doesn't take five missions of trashtalking for us to actually get to fighting. Buh dum tsh!

Wilhelmina is relatively fine and raring to go.

I'll do my post now.

EDIT 1: Actually, do you guys need more time? I just wanna make sure you've done all within your power to get ready. Ceru's no Pokegeddon, but she's not to be trifled with.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 03:13 AM
I'll have Impact give a few orders. Gimme a sec.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 06:23 AM
Give me one good reason why Pierce shouldn't kick Impact upside the head.

Heh. The only pokemon of Pierce's that had a buff move is Metagross' Iron Defense. Or does Skarmory's Roost count?

Geminex
06-10-2010, 06:38 AM
Why would he? All Impact did was tell him to stop ranting about people dying in the middle of a warzone.
I mean, sure, they were civilians. And now they are dead. How sad.


And you have the choice, tyranitar or metagross?

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 07:05 AM
Well of course it's sad. Especially for Pierce. He has this whole thing, you'll see it in full steam during his sidequest.

Tyranitar. I really wanna test Sandstorm.

Plus, if we drop their morale enough Tyranitar can use Roar to scare the living shit out of Wildfire's reinforcements.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 07:14 AM
Eh. You and your silly "morals". They're all subjective, y'know! SUBJECTIVE! THEY DON'T APPLY TO ME! I'M FREEEEEE!
Ahem.

Have we established what roar does, exactly?

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 07:18 AM
Makes baddies run away shitting their pants and trainer pokemon return to their pokeballs?

AB, does Roar affect the entire enemy formation or just one target? I mean, of course using it when the enemy has low morale won't make everyone run away, but it should be better than just scaring one jackass.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 07:21 AM
I'm not asking what the general afect is, I'm asking what it does exactly. How does morale affect it? What's the probability?
Cause I don't think AB cleared that effect.

And what d'you mean, you wanna test sandstorm?

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 07:23 AM
See if sand can fuck up mechanical enemies.

And really? You're asking AB to give you math?

Geminex
06-10-2010, 07:31 AM
No, you are. I just told you to. Minion-licious!

I like the idea with the sand, though. Might work. Especially if we add water and lightning.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 07:43 AM
You're asking me to do balancing? Really?

Well, don't come crying to me when it turns out Roar makes Impact piss in his pants, despite the fact that he's an ally.

Roar (all targets)
When the enemy morale rate is high, Roar has no effect. When morale is low, there is an increased chance that enemies will run away when Roar is used. If a trainer is not affected, their pokemon still might be in which case they will return to their pokeballs. If enemies do not run away, they may still be inflicted with Fear, forfeiting their turn. When Overwhelming Tide is in effect, the chance to make enemies run away and to inflict Fear increases greatly.

Every time Roar is used, whether by an ally or an enemy and regardless of the morale value, Impact pisses in his pants and forfeits his turn.

Yep, I realize it's probably overpowered. But then, since it's up to AB to decide if it works at all, I figure what the hell, AB isn't going to make an enemy run away if he doesn't want them to anyway.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 07:55 AM
Sounds allright. Though I'd give it splash, at most. Not have it hit all enemies. And that last bit. That last bit is silly.

And besides, Impact's one of our best damage dealers. If he's incapacitated, our team's going to be one hell of a lot weaker.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 08:01 AM
What, just three adjacent targets? Oh come on.

Okay, fine. Jerk.

Roar (three adjacent targets)
When the enemy morale rate is high, Roar has no effect. When morale is low, there is an increased chance that the targets will run away when Roar is used. A trainer is affected when one of their pokemon is targetted. If the trainer does not run away, their pokemon still might be affected in which case they will return to their pokeballs. If enemies do not run away, they may still be inflicted with Fear, forfeiting their turn. When Overwhelming Tide is in effect, the chance to make enemies run away and to inflict Fear increases greatly.

Every time Roar is used, whether by an ally or an enemy and regardless of the morale value, Impact pisses in his pants and forfeits his turn.

There. You know, remember way back when I suggested that Pressure exponentially accelerate morale decrease? And that it stack when there are several pokemon out with Pressure?

Couple that with Roar. I'll let you figure out the rest.

And besides, Impact's one of our best damage dealers. If he's incapacitated, our team's going to be one hell of a lot weaker.

Ask me if I care.

Hmm, no, I don't.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 08:16 AM
Eh. Unless I have a guarantee that pressure does HUUUUGE morale damage, I'm not going to worry profusely. Mind you, if it does threaten The Sacred Balance, prepare for a 3-thread discussion.

Ask me if I care.

Hmm, no, I don't.
I don't need a comptetent damage dealer! I don't need numbers! I don't need items!
I HAVE BRAVAAAADOOOOOOO!!!

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 08:18 AM
And balls. Don't forget balls.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 08:21 AM
I question that. I seriously question that.
And don't even try to prove it.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 08:23 AM
Don't tempt me. I will prove the hell out of it on your face.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 08:35 AM
Lemme just put something out there.
The last time you made such an absolute statement, you were saying that you'd never admit to being at fault.
I seriously questioned this statement. You remained defiant.
8 hours later, you were wrong.

Now, consider what absolute statement you are currently making.
Consider that I am seriously questioning it.
Consider the... consequences of suddenly, horribly, being wrong about this statement.
Now consider this, my friend: You can drop your insistence, and all will be forgotten. Or you can remain adamant. And maybe there will be no... repercussions. But maybe, just maybe, this trend will continue.
And tell me, is that really a risk you want to take?

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 08:48 AM
Yes.

For one, said admittance of being wrong happened in another RP so it doesn't count so shut up.

Besides, under any other circumstances I would never had admitted anything, but I had to apologize so that they'd let me edit that post without them thinking less of me or any of that crap. Or something.

Astral Harmony
06-10-2010, 02:26 PM
Roar does pretty much work that way. There really isn't such a thing as Fear, though. How Roar works is that it may not work or will only work for like, one turn if morale is high. If morale is low, enemies tend to keep away for more turns, and may not even come back to harass you further. And it will only work on one enemy at a time. I tend to think of Roar as the user getting all up in the enemy's face and roaring at him to the point where his cheeks are flapping from the blast of noise.

However, morale issues tend to fall flat when a powerful unit is in the field. It's very difficult to lower enemy morale when Cerulean Wildfire is still standing. Take her down, however, and that's pretty much an Overwhelming Tide all by itself.

Anyways, it's morning here so I gotta go to work soon. Looks like Geminex and Dracorian could use some time alone, anyways. I'll post this afternoon and then I've got duty tomorrow so y'all'll have plenty of time to figure out how to respond to seeing Cerulean Wildfire. Yes. Just seeing her. Her appearance is very distracting all on its own.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 02:31 PM
Your mother and Geminex need some time alone. Hmph!

There really isn't such a thing as Fear, though.

That a fact? You sure about that one?

- When morale is low:

Status effects take more time to be cured.

The move Frustration is most effective. The move Return is least effective.

Characters may occasionally forfeit turns from Fear. Low morale is the only time this status effect comes into play.

Rage builds with a x2 multiplier.

Moves that require charge times and cooldowns will no longer require this.

Enemy characters may flee.

That's from your database, motherfucker.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 07:00 PM
Personally, I'm thinking Wildfire would fall into uncanny valley territory. No chance of arousal there.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 07:02 PM
... There's just no hope for you is there?

Geminex
06-10-2010, 07:22 PM
What?

AB was all like:
Yes. Just seeing her. Her appearance is very distracting all on its own.

And then I was all like: "No"

...
Wasn't that the kind of "distracting" that AB meant?

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 08:49 PM
See that right there? That's the point.

And, and below that? Way below there, see? That's your head.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 08:58 PM
Well excuuuuuuse me princess, I recently realized that, with all the strategizing I was busy doing, quite a bit of calculus had slipped from my memory. I have been catching up to that, and was, consequently, somewhat distracted. If there's some incredibly subtle and sophisticated nuance that I missed, please, do explain.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 08:59 PM
See, this is why teenagers shouldn't be planning to conquer the world.

World domination is a full-time job!

And anyway, if you don't know, you don't deserve to know.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 09:06 PM
Eh, I can continue part-time for now, work behind the scenes. I'll go full-time in a few years.

Incidentally, is that your final answer, considering that in a few years' time I may or may not be in a position to extract said information from you with various degrees of... vehemence?

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 09:23 PM
Do you really need to ask?

Geminex
06-10-2010, 09:51 PM
Ok, y'know what, I don't even care anymore. You will regret your defiance, most certainly, but that's not my problem.

And sorry about roar not being utterly overpowered. Must come as a deep shock to you. My condolences. But really, you'll only be hurt in this business. Leave the min-maxing to Menarker.

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 10:20 PM
I seem to recall that it was you who told me to do the balancing. I only went along because I got to add a line about Impact pissing in his pants. And hey, if AB approved it, good for me!

By the way AB, you have to approve that line about Impact pissing in his pants and missing his turn whenever Roar is used. You have to. Or else I will boycot this RP, I swear to God.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 10:38 PM
Right, Drac, nice knowing you, it's been a good run. Good luck out there, sorry you have to go yadda yadda yadda.

You're aware, of course, that with your absence Pierce will turn into an NPC, and will, as such, be killable (and wouldn't it be horrible if something unexpectedly happened to him oh dear), but don't worry. When Even if that happens, I'll have Impact take good care of Sam, who you, sadly, also won't be around to control. 'fcourse, by "take good care of" I mean "have sex with", but if you're severing all ties, that really shouldn't bother you.
And speaking of not bothering you, you wouldn't mind if Shizuka, shocked by Pierce's death finds comfort in Impact (or, more accurately, in his genitals) will you?
Come to think of it, maybe you will mind, you can be territorial about that sort of stuff, can't you? but hey, you're boycotting us! You don't get a say. Wonderful, isn't it?

Dracorion
06-10-2010, 10:41 PM
Boy, you have no idea how wonderful.

Push comes to shove, I'd kill Pierce and Sam and Shizuka and Chizuru before you can get to them. But it won't come to that.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 10:48 PM
Yeah. Only no.
a) I'd like to see you try to kill any of the kimonos
b) I'm sure I can somehow get necromancy

And why wouldn't it come to that?

Astral Harmony
06-10-2010, 11:40 PM
...

...Buh?

I read about a page of this and I think I need therapy.

Seriously, you two are messed up. Big time. Maybe I should give Menarker the lead since he doesn't let crazy shit like you crazy fuckers get to him like you get to each other. And don't think you can kill him if I do give it to him. I'll Dinner you both so fast that there won't even be a footnote in the epilogue, except maybe a part where you two were suspected to be having buttsecks as you were annihilated.

I'll laugh the whole damn rest of the RP.

Speaking of the RP, I've got a bizarre idea: a second RP. I've said it before, but I must repeat it to provide backstory. At the end of Mission 3, Rayleen will leave PATCA. She'll make an appearance with some new allies during Mission 4 just for the sake of fanservice but after that, she's gone and she won't be around for a long, long time.

I was originally thinking of a discussion thread detailing what she's doing, but then it hit me: why not just create another RP? You guys, if you give a shit, can create a new character to go with Rayleen. I can split the plot so that both sides get their fair share of big bads. The plots will converge near the very end of the RP.

By the way, I refuse to make Impact wet his pants when Roar is used. Boycott the RP all you like, but what is that going to accomplish? Nobody's signed up to play since the beginning, and I highly doubt Dracorian whining like a little kid whose parents cut off his World of Warcraft 'cause he just kept using the account to call everyone the N-word and making many other nonsensical derogatives and didn't even bother to level up his rogue...

...

Wait, where was I? Oh yeah. I highly doubt Dracorian whining would make Menarker, Geminex, BardTheFifthLightWarrior, and DanteFalcon stop playing.

And if they did? Well, I can catch up on my video gaming because I won't have to do this RP anymore. Believe me, it wouldn't bother me one bit. So sit down and eat your sundae. You're not going to wrangle any good shit for yourself out of this GM, no sirree.

EDIT: By the way, could I get a list in this color of what you guys're doing in the RP? That'll make this take much less time.

Geminex
06-10-2010, 11:49 PM
Oh come on. It's just friendly competitiveness. How is that messed up? We don't actually mean any of that. Certainly not enough to affect our in-character actions.
And I would be very unhappy if you misinterpreted our interaction as justification to transfer leadership to Menarker.
I'd demonstrate how I really act if someone... gets to me.

And second RP.
Hmmm.
Do we have the time?
Because I don't know if you do, but I might not. Sequel, yes. But parallel RP?
Not a full-scale one, is what I'd recommend. Maybe we could try to work on a continuity, what's happened before, what's currently happening, in the wider world.

Edit:

EDIT: By the way, could I get a list in this color of what you guys're doing in the RP? That'll make this take much less time.
Didn't I add one to my in-thread post?

Bard The 5th LW
06-10-2010, 11:51 PM
Sure, I would definitely be interested in a second RP. I even got an idea for a character in my head right now. Admittedly, I was going to save the character for Charlotte's sidequest, but I think her can be worked in.

And if Drac really does boycott the RP, than all I can say is that he would be missed.

Astral Harmony
06-10-2010, 11:55 PM
Probably for the best. The reason I called it bizarre is because it's difficult enough to have time or even interest in this RP anymore. Damn it, why the hell did I make it so damn big? Ruin Generals, Gabriel Force, Faynoc and Burkmont, Pokesynths, Pokeweapons, Evoliths, specialties, yadda-yadda-yadda. I'm killing myself with plot!

But I'll still do the second RP if at least someone wants to. Not everybody needs to chip in. If you don't wanna do a second character on top of your first one, I wouldn't expect you to try.

EDIT: I see that list now, Geminex. Sorry 'bout that. Didn't even know that post was there. I'll definitely have a post done tonight.

Bard The 5th LW
06-11-2010, 12:05 AM
Yeah the plot is becoming a bit of a club to the head. Those times Charlotte said all of the factions and groups confused her and she was losing track of things? That was sort of me talking as well as Charlotte.

But I still want to see it through.

But yeah, I'm OK with the sort of Umbral Gaiden RP. I'd join in, and maybe people outside our little circle could join in to.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 12:06 AM
The reason I called it bizarre is because it's difficult enough to have time or even interest in this RP anymore.
Y'know, I've been thinking. We're already instating character sidequests. Couldn't we make it so that, during these sidequests, AB doesn't have to GM? Maybe not during descriptive scenes, or when controlling the Kimonos, but during combat? The sidequest-owner does the battle evaluation, writes everything up, AB approves it, it gets posted.
I'm no sure how well it would work, but it'd take some of the load off our GM's back. It's supposed to be fun for all of us, no?

Edit:
In regards to the plot getting a bit much, I made a flowchart once. That helped. But mostly I focus on short-term objectives such as "Kill all sons of bitches". Sort of oblivious to all the fantastic history...

Astral Harmony
06-11-2010, 03:54 AM
Yep. Cerulean Wildfire is a bitch.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 05:26 AM
Indeed. No melee... but it could be worse.

In fact, it isn't so horrible.
I mean, yes, the metallic bitch can set three of us on fire every turn, but that's what enforcers are for. Trainers can switch pokemon, and if both their leaders are affected, they can just switch with their enforcers for a turn while their leader pokemon stop being on fire.
What does worry me is Wildfire's ability to, seemingly, deal what we in Australia like to call a "bloody crapload" of damage. Because damn, great damage vs. Mollesk. I'll probably OHKO everything that's not Impact. And it might even be enough to kill Impact. So I guess, switch often enough to prevent fire from interfering with us, prepare to take a few casualties, and hit as hard as we can. Probably we won't have any type advantages, sadly, but that's allright.

What d'you think, should Pierce deploy Nagrai? Waste of a sunny day, I think, but might be necessary.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 06:28 AM
... We get sundaes?

You think it might be necessary? I think FUCKIN YAH DO IT. For one, Wildfire's going to hurt a hell of a lot even if we have Rainy Day out.

I fucking hate it when bosses cheat don't you hate it when bosses cheat? Anyway, right around now's when we want to put the hurt on Wildfire. Signature Techs if we have any. And Tyranitar is pretty much useless now. Guess I should deploy Kingdra?

Yeah, I'd join another Umbral RP.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 06:37 AM
Well, we sadly don't have many single-target, special-type signature techniques, do we?

And ok, go with Nagrai.

All allright. I'd join one as well. How am I going to keep up with the rest of you if I only have one character. But it'd have to be slow-paced. And more story than combat-based.

Menarker
06-11-2010, 07:11 AM
Seriously? Great Damage to Mollesk from one attack after a four stage buff to defense and special defense, which maxed out at 999 DEF and 1498 Special defense? When everyone else has practically no more but 150 at most (Impact at that level).

I call Cheat! Well, either that or that attack is a critical hit (since crit ignore buff based defense) and almost all future damage should be a lot lower.

Well! I should probably call Swampert to use Surf and have Swampert's water type backlash hit Mollesk to try to wash that stuff off Mollesk. Mollesk IS weak to water, but with 999 special defense (I assume Tyranitar is being switched out for Aria?) and Swampert not being a special attack specialist? It'll easily live.

A side-RP would be neat, although I'm trying to think of what sort of character could I possibly make.

The only thing that makes me happy about Mollesk being set on fire? It's one of the fuggin slowest pokemons in existance, mainly owing it in existance being mostly in a mindless stupor and being a lunk of rock. I doubt anyone will be caught on fire from it unless they ran into him intentionally...

"Look out, he's coming this way! Walk briskly!"

AB: Doesn't Renny get a bit of rage from that? It was his pokemon that was attacked.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 07:23 AM
Seriously? Great Damage to Mollesk from one attack after a four stage buff to defense and special defense, which maxed out at 999 DEF and 1498 Special defense? When everyone else has practically no more but 150 at most (Impact at that level).
Well, while I do think that mollesk took a bit too much damage
a) we don't know exactly what great damage is. I'm guessing Mollesk lost about 40% of its HP. Maybe Sunny Day boosted Wildfire...
b) Excuse me? 150 at most? Your estimate is off. Way off. I won't argue for the other pokemon on-field, but Impact has a 4-stage boost, tripling his base 100 to 300. I'm guessing that pokemon are at about level 80, or 85 at the moment. That would again give him another 60%, at least, for a minimum of 480. Let's call it 500. That's more than triple your estimate. And the same applies to the other mons as well. The offensive ones might have just 150, or even less, but we have a few high-defense pokemon as well, and I think that they'd have at least 200. Mollesk is strong defensively, but it doesn't outdistance the rest of the pack by that much.

Edit:
And if we do a side-rp, everyone has to play the exact opposite of what they're playing in this RP. Meaning Menarker plays a Charlotte, Bard plays a Renny, I play Fighter, Drac plays an incredibly intelligent super-badass, and Dante plays an exuberant, hyper-active kid.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 07:25 AM
I'M AFRAID NOT BECAUSE AS IT TURNS OUT CERULEAN OIL NEGATES BUFFS AND LOWERS SPECIAL DEFENSE.

Y'know, I've been thinking. We're already instating character sidequests. Couldn't we make it so that, during these sidequests, AB doesn't have to GM? Maybe not during descriptive scenes, or when controlling the Kimonos, but during combat? The sidequest-owner does the battle evaluation, writes everything up, AB approves it, it gets posted.
I'm no sure how well it would work, but it'd take some of the load off our GM's back. It's supposed to be fun for all of us, no?

I dunno how that well that would work for my sidequest.

I mean, I'll be controlling Pierce's half entirely. I mean, I could take charge of battles in your half too, I guess, but I don't really know a lot about the enemies you'll be facing. If AB sends me his info on those enemies then yeah, I could do it. Same goes for the big battle and then the very last battle.

There is another problem, though. My schedule doesn't really line up with AB's. I mean, I see him like maybe a couple of times during the day for a little while, but the time of the day he's mostly on is when I'm asleep. So if I PM him my battle evaluation and wants me to change something it's going to take longer to fix.

By the way, we should be able to douse Wildfire's fire wall with any water attack, right?

I dunno what kinda character I'd make for the side-RP. Push comes to shove, I guess I could introduce Sam then. Buuuutt I'd rather not do that. I think I might make a Slayer-going-Battle Master.

Wondering if it should be a guy or a girl. I've got this concept for a girl I've been thinking about, but there are far too many chicks in this RP already.

Menarker
06-11-2010, 07:29 AM
Yeah, I forgot about Impact's buff and thus his real defense (Should be around 450 at the time of the attack). Sorry. It's 5AM and I can't stay asleep. Still groggy though.

@Drac: AB made no mention about buffs in her list of what the plasma negates. Moves like Protect, yes (Renny's Protect move being nigh useless). Abilities like Magma armor, yes, even though I don't think any one of us has an ability that would have helped. And lastly, typing. Mollesk is already neutral to fire though.

Gem, what did you mean by Wildfire being able to set 3 of us on fire per turn? We only saw her/it do it to Mollesk this turn. Unless you're assuming the AOE oil and the wall of fire being her other actions?

I wonder if there is a way to splash Wildfire with some of that oil of hers. If she could be set on fire with her own attacks, that would be neat, since her own plasma can't be resisted by types (like rock), moves (like Protect), or abilities (like Flash Fire).

EDIT: It just occurred to me that she has to respray the field with oil to douse new pokemons that arrive on the scene, so by constantly switching pokemons, we might be able to force her to use up an action specifically for oil spraying. Those who can't be switched out are pretty out of luck.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 07:41 AM
We'd have to change up enough pokemon at a time that she'd bother to douse oil on them. And at that pace we'd run out of non-oiled pokemon pretty fast.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 07:45 AM
I dunno what kinda character I'd make for the side-RP. Push comes to shove, I guess I could introduce Sam then. Buuuutt I'd rather not do that. I think I might make a Slayer-going-Battle Master.

Wondering if it should be a guy or a girl. I've got this concept for a girl I've been thinking about, but there are far too many chicks in this RP already.
See my edit. You have to make an uber-intelligent, unstoppable super-badass. Because it's the exact opposite of your current character. Get it? Get it?

Anyway, I don't think we can extinguish the Firewall. The Sentinels would surely eliminate us before we do, and then they'd go after our backups cause we're obviously a threat to transhumanity and WHOOPS WRONG RP.
Sorry. Anyway, I think the wall of fire stays. Let's make do with special attacks.

I'M AFRAID NOT BECAUSE AS IT TURNS OUT CERULEAN OIL NEGATES BUFFS AND LOWERS SPECIAL DEFENSE.
What. Wherethefuckdoesitsaythat.

Gem, what did you mean by Wildfire being able to set 3 of us on fire per turn? We only saw her/it do it to Mollesk this turn. Unless you're assuming the AOE oil and the wall of fire being her other actions?
Yeah. 3 actions=3 attacks. 3 attacks=3 pokemon on fire.

I wonder if there is a way to splash Wildfire with some of that oil of hers. If she could be set on fire with her own attacks, that would be neat, since her own plasma can't be resisted by types (like rock), moves (like Protect), or abilities (like Flash Fire).
I really don't think so. That might work in the anime, not, I think, in Umbral.

EDIT: It just occurred to me that she has to respray the field with oil to douse new pokemons that arrive on the scene, so by constantly switching pokemons, we might be able to force her to use up an action specifically for oil spraying. Those who can't be switched out are pretty out of luck.
Well, that was sort-of my plan. Switch pokemon often, switch with enforcers. My plan was more to negate wildfire's burns and fire, but you're right. It's gonna have to respray as well. And Drac, wildfire can't survive for too long, I hope.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 07:49 AM
Um.

Remember how AB said that Wildfire would get some footsoldier reinforcements and then she'd step out of formation and just act as a Destroyer?

Yeah, doesn't seem like killing her's going to be easy to me.

And why shouldn't we be able to douse the wall? It's the same kind of fire Mollesk is on! And if we can extinguish that, we should be able to put out the wall.

And Gem, you poor poor fool. Impact is neither uber-intelligent nor unstoppable nor super-badass.

Also, about the oil I was bullshitting. Glad to see both of you shitting in your pants, though.

Menarker
06-11-2010, 07:56 AM
Drac, Gem said the opposite about your character. He said his character's mentality is the opposite of Fighter. What he was comparing in your case was capability while he compared mentality with his characters.

I was clarifying about the oil btw. Although mind you, if Mollesk really got it as badly as he did in one hit, you guys (aside from Impact) are likely going to be one-hit KOed by it.

Should we even be concerned with the wall of fire now? Impact got the Hydro Cannon, Pierce got Aria, Matt is in Porygon Z form I presume which specialize in special attack... We probably don't have to waste an action or two on it. Although I could have Swampert target the oil on the ground with Surf, since that would be better than it trying to attack Wildfire with its merely average special attack. Could probably wash off the oil off of Mollesk in the process due to the backlash effect similar to Earthquake.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 07:56 AM
Remember how AB said that Wildfire would get some footsoldier reinforcements and then she'd step out of formation and just act as a Destroyer?
I'm hoping that when it steps out of battle, its actions will become far less frequent. And besides, we can murder those foot soldiers, get it back into battle. I don't think that, with our enforcers, and our masses of pokemon, and frequent water moves, we'll run out of usable pokemon.

Impact is neither uber-intelligent nor unstoppable nor super-badass.
Yes, he is actually. But that's not the point. The point is that
you have to make an uber-intelligent, unstoppable super-badass. Because it's the exact opposite of your current character
Unless you're implying that Pierce is the exact opposite of Impact. But that's stupid, he'd have to be way less cool.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 08:03 AM
Yes yes, fine. I guess I just assumed that Gem was implying that Impact is an unstoppable super badass genius. Can you really blame me? I mean, it's Geminex.

Anyway, I'll see about making an awesome mastermind. With girl bits.

Now, I don't presume to know the kinda attacks we got, but I want to eliminate the wall so that we can hit Wildfire with everything we got. And then the footsoldiers too when they arrive.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 08:14 AM
Yes yes, fine. I guess I just assumed that Gem was implying that Impact is an unstoppable super badass genius. Can you really blame me? I mean, it's Geminex.
Well, I was, sort of. But that wasn't the point. And he totally is. Except for badass, not sure about that. But I think he almost qualifies for magnificent bastard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard) status.

Mind you, I don't, but Impact totally does.

Ok, Renny's swampert can try using surf against it, and cool down Mollesk in the process. But focus on dealing a bit of damage, this turn.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 08:19 AM
I'll believe Impact is a magnificent bastard if he ever gets around to pulling his Darth Sidious. With style.

And not get betrayed by his trusted lieutenant twenty years later, of course.

EDIT: And just not lose at all.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 08:28 AM
Define "with style".
And hell, he'll be betraying his lieutenants, not vice versa. Right, Bard?
And he's not utterly undefeatable. He won't win always forever, that'd be boring. But he can work around stuff real good.

Anyway, we have a bit more time for strategy cause of the duty day. I'll try to think of something.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 08:33 AM
What I meant by not losing is that some jackass can't come and fuck up his empire upside down and then kill him.

And with style means being awesome about it. Make people go "holy shit, that was sooo evil, but goddamn it was bitchin'!"

Geminex
06-11-2010, 08:41 AM
What I meant by not losing is that some jackass can't come and fuck up his empire upside down and then kill him.
What you're saying is, I win the second RP? Is that it? Sure. Candy from a baby.

And with style means being awesome about it. Make people go "holy shit, that was sooo evil, but goddamn it was bitchin'!"
Bitchin' how? Bitchin' in a "ULTIMATE MANIPULATION" way? Cause I can easily provide that. His plans will build up to a crescendo, becoming more and more apparent, flashes of silver genius through the murky depths of events, until they converge, and everything, every action, decision, move becomes clear in a flash of terrible, bleak brilliance. A moment of sublime and horrified realization. A moment just long enough to understand all the times you went wrong, all the times you played into his hands, the full extent of his focus, of his planning, of his genius. Good and bad fades away until all that's left is the completely objective understanding that you got outplayed, that you didn't just lose, you never had a chance of winning. And then the moment ends, along with your life, leaving behind a dull and empty corpse whose single most powerful moment was the triumph of what seemed to be an ally but turned out to be their worst possible enemy.
That kind of bitchin'?

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 09:04 AM
What you're saying is, I win the second RP? Is that it? Sure. Candy from a baby.

Nope. What I mean is that you have to live forever. Not that you're going to. You have to figure it out yourself.

Bitchin' how? Bitchin' in a "ULTIMATE MANIPULATION" way? Cause I can easily provide that. His plans will build up to a crescendo, becoming more and more apparent, flashes of silver genius through the murky depths of events, until they converge, and everything, every action, decision, move becomes clear in a flash of terrible, bleak brilliance. A moment of sublime and horrified realization. A moment just long enough to understand all the times you went wrong, all the times you played into his hands, the full extent of his focus, of his planning, of his genius. Good and bad fades away until all that's left is the completely objective understanding that you got outplayed, that you didn't just lose, you never had a chance of winning. And then the moment ends, along with your life, leaving behind a dull and empty corpse whose single most powerful moment was the triumph of what seemed to be an ally but turned out to be their worst possible enemy.
That kind of bitchin'?

"Rot in hell, Max."

Nope. Not a magnificent bastard. You just got out-bitchin'-ed with a single line.

Bard The 5th LW
06-11-2010, 01:26 PM
Not reading that text. Think mode has been turned off for today, so I'l let one of you guys decide my actions for me, and type out my actions accordingly.

Bard plays a Renny

The character I have in mind isn't quite Renny, but is a decent guy nonetheless. You'll see if AB goes through with it. In fact, you'll likely see him either way. The guy is intended as an NPC during Charlotte's side-quest.

Astral Harmony
06-11-2010, 02:34 PM
Sure, Renny gets five Rage. Actually, he can get five more Rage for every turn Mollesk is on fire.

Dousing the wall of fire is difficult. Cerulean Oil is used to keep it lit just like it's used to keep Mollesk lit, and if you can't wash it off, you can't put out the fire.

I guess you could say that the wall of fire functions as an enemy in itself. You can deal damage to it with water and ice moves an eventually you can put it out. Just remember that enemies can't strike you at melee because of this wall of fire, either. Snipers and Destroyers aren't affected.

Lexhur has 200 Rage now.

Impact, if you need to, feel free to prioritize your requests. I know you gave Daphne a bigass list of things to replace, but you can always tell her what you need first and foremost.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 02:53 PM
Okay, considering what AB said, HPG soldiers' and Engineers' moveset are about half made up of melee. Medics are all long range, but they only have two attacks. And Cerulean probably has some ugly physicals to throw at us.

So I guess, maaaaaybe, it'd be best to keep the wall up. You know, maybe.

Bard The 5th LW
06-11-2010, 03:37 PM
Hey AB, would Sol-Lke's flash fire make him immune to the immolation brought on by Cerulean Wildfire? Or can the robot cheat and work around that because its not a pokemon or some shit.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 03:42 PM
Bosses are cheaters, so yes.

I think I might give Pierce a new Legendary. Something to compete with bosses, cheating-wise, even if I have to gimp everything else about it.

Bard The 5th LW
06-11-2010, 03:45 PM
I hope Sol-leks is immune. It will be pretty awesome if Sol-leks is completely on fire, yet still carries on like absolutely nothing is happening. If anything, he should still get the boost to fire attacks. Still maintain he should have a fire immunity.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 03:50 PM
Yeah, but, y'know. Fucking cheaters, man.

Actually, I think I'll give the HAX pokemon to my character for the side-RP instead. And maybe not even make it a legendary.

Bard The 5th LW
06-11-2010, 04:17 PM
I'm thinking a Pokebrid for a second character. In fact, I've gotten a couple new ideas. Although one depends on how a Ditto would work as a Pokebrid. How would that pan out?

Geminex
06-11-2010, 06:25 PM
Impact, if you need to, feel free to prioritize your requests. I know you gave Daphne a bigass list of things to replace, but you can always tell her what you need first and foremost.
I thought he got everything at once?

What kind of a hax-mon?

And how is "Rot in hell, max" bitchin'? It's defiance. So what.
And...
I really don't think immortality is a requirement for being a magnificent bastard. Just winning. And Impact'll win.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 06:37 PM
What kind of a hax-mon?

Probably something with low stats and crap type combination but with unique moves (or an ability) that bypass buffs, evasion, Protect (and all others like it) and even boss defences.

And how is "Rot in hell, max" bitchin'? It's defiance. So what.

Well, the line would technically be "Rot in hell, Impact" in this case, and then getting shot in the head. And it's the kind of thing you have to be there for. Basically, the end result is the Bastard (in this case Impact) gets his neck snapped.

And...
I really don't think immortality is a requirement for being a magnificent bastard. Just winning. And Impact'll win.

A) Immortality isn't that hard with Magatama, and B) say Impact dies of natural causes. The empire he built will eventually be overthrown without him to watch over it. So that's a loss.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 06:55 PM
Probably something with low stats and crap type combination but with unique moves (or an ability) that bypass buffs, evasion, Protect (and all others like it) and even boss defences.
Just create an undodgable, high-critical-hit-ratio move. That'd take care of evasion and defensive buffs. Give it an ability that lets it pierce Protect when it crits, and give the pokemon a move, and maybe a hold item that increases its chance to crit.

As for immortality, eh. I'll see. But I think even setting up the empire should be magnificent-bastard worthy, never mind maintaining it.

Edit: Actually, I just realized, you'll just have to give it high speed, that'll boost its crit chance.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 07:04 PM
I was thinking specifically for bosses. Especially crap like Wildfire's wall o' fire right now. And "we need to destroy Lexhur's parts in order to get at the main body? FUCK THAT SHIT, [Insert Name Here], beat the shit out of him!" and "Tele-dodge, you say? I think not, Gardenoir!"

Oh yeah, Impact setting up his empire, provided he do so with style, earns him Magnificent Bastard status. Then he only has to keep it, which, by the way, no Magnificent Bastard ever gets to do. I mean, if he could pull it off it'd earn him an entire new title all to himself. The Impact.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 07:21 PM
Yeah, that was the plan, actually. Win for a while, lose eventually. An infinite kingdom's no fun. But he'll set it up, he'll do it with style. That will be... sufficient.

I was thinking specifically for bosses. Especially crap like Wildfire's wall o' fire right now. And "we need to destroy Lexhur's parts in order to get at the main body? FUCK THAT SHIT, [Insert Name Here], beat the shit out of him!" and "Tele-dodge, you say? I think not, Gardenoir!"
I don't think AB would permit that...
But hey, we can bribe him.
Or better yet, we can bribe him to make the bosses stop cheating!

Though I don't think that Wildfire's cheating. Or that Lexhur was. Gardenoir, yes. But that was, really, the worst so far.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 07:26 PM
Well there are different kinds of cheating.

For example, there's Wildfire dealing giant damage to Mollesk despite it's special defense breaking the fucking limit.

I will agree that Lexhur wasn't that bad. Then again, we didn't get very far into that battle. If Phantomere had had the sense to make himself invulnerable before he zombified everyone on his side, that fight would've been much harder. Mostly because we would've had to kill all the bad guys twice.

And then there's Pokegeddon. Fucking Pokegeddon. FUCKING DODGING THE AWESOMENESS OF HELLFIRE. I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR THAT THEY WILL GODDAMN PAY.

My HAXmon would essentially bypass all that. Maybe even counters like Altarisect's bugs, too.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 08:18 PM
Eh. Just get yourself a stronger trainer attack.

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 08:42 PM
Your mother.

And anyway, it's probably going to my side-RP character.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 09:18 PM
I'm really not sure what character to make, myself. I don't want a completely short-sighted fool...
Maybe an artistic individual? Joy of life? Cause that might work.

Bard The 5th LW
06-11-2010, 09:47 PM
Oh god I have so many ideas! All of these characters are pokebrids. Among these characters is a ditto Pokebrid.

Menarker
06-11-2010, 10:02 PM
Well, still thinking of what I would make for my second character personality wise, although I'm thinking that I should make a snagger. I mean... We don't have a single one in the entire RP yet!

ANYHOW, battle plan!?

Swampert is switched in, does Surf with the backlash hitting Mollesk. Whether Wildfire or the wall is the main target remains to be seen. Because Drac's point about the soldiers and engineers being mostly melee, doesn't mean that they'll forget about the standard issue guns they'll likely have (or the fact that there is probably a specialized squad meant to work with Wildfire) and start shooting at us from afar.

Wilhelmina should naturally look for a sniper and shoot Wildfire if there isn't a sniper. She gains 10 rage, boosting her to 100 rage and sparking her super power form. ^^

Rain Dance with Aria seems good (Pumping Impact's Hydro Cannon), and Moon's pokemons would all get a boost from it.

If Mollesk is still alive in 3 turns, then I'll be able to use Power Trick/Testament Drive for some OMGWTF damage.

One thing that I AM curious about though... is Lexhur's 400 point technique. It is listed as an "Almighty" typed attack. A new typing that isn't typeless or ruin... I wonder what weaknesses and resistances there are for it.

Geminex
06-11-2010, 11:43 PM
If Mollesk is still alive in 3 turns, then I'll be able to use Power Trick/Testament Drive for some OMGWTF damage.
Wait. Your item specifically states that the attack you use it with can't do damage, or, if I remember correctly, affect the enemy in any way. Why'd you be able to testament drive?

Aria doesn't need rain dance, it has drizzle. Pierce just needs to deploy it.

I don't think we should attack the firewall. Maybe once, to experiment, but I don't think lack of physical attacks affects us drastically. And hell, it shouldn't even affect all physical attacks. Just touch-based attacks. I mean, sure, you can't get up close and personal. But, say, stone edge is physical and yet Tyranitar wouldn't have to touch wildfire. And I don't think wildfire will have much of a specialized support troop. Maybe a few elite soldiers, but I think it's not sufficiently probable that we attack the wall because of it.

BTW, why are you thinking of keeping mollesk out at all? It's really not all that useful, it's on fire (meaning it might set everyone else on fire), and it's taking up a valuable slot. Why not switch to something more capable of damaging wildfire?

I'm half considering whether to just give Wilhelmina a rage rocket, and have her go maid-to-mistress right away. It'd give us two super-powered attacks.

And I was actually thinking of going for a Snagger as well...

Dracorion
06-11-2010, 11:50 PM
Clearly, you two must fight to the death for Snagger rights.

I think he meant that he'd use his free move first for Power Trick then use his legit move for the Testament Drive.

Yeah, we might want to use Wilhelmina's Signature Technique this turn. We're supposed to be putting as much hurt on Wildfire as we possibly can, after all.

Bard The 5th LW
06-12-2010, 12:06 AM
Clearly, you two must fight to the death for Snagger rights.

Clearly.

Geminex
06-12-2010, 01:29 AM
In regards to the ditto pokebrid, I wouldn't get one. All it can do is transform, and you could do that with just the pokemon.

Edit: And I'm thinking of a female snagger, sort of hyper-active, very prone to switch from pokemon to pokemon.

Menarker
06-12-2010, 01:53 AM
Clearly Bard would use it to shapeshift into humans and attempt to mimic their personality/actions as well as their bodies/powers.

>_> Imagines Bard mimicking someone like Burkmont and doing something so embarressing/scandalous that it destroys his political reputation and foils his plans that way.

As for Mollesk, it still has that maxed out defense which if I can make it last long enough will become maxed out attack stat. Switching it out will make the buff spent this turn lost. It's so tediously slow (Crap speed stat) that it can't possibly run into someone unless you were deliberately ignoring your surroundings. (And Drac is right about the free move from the item being Power Trick). If I can make it last long enough, it'll be massively damaging. Plus, I can see how easily the oil washes off as a test with Swampert, while we're targetting Wildfire.

Aria's Drizzle counts as Rain Dance for all purpose, hence why I said it as I did.

I don't mind giving Wilhelmina a rage rocket so she can activate her ability early.

Dracorion
06-12-2010, 01:57 AM
If that last turn was any indication, Mollesk won't last very long if Wildfire decides to kill it. And considering how buffed it is? Wildfire will probably decide to kill it.

Also, even if you could somehow keep Mollesk alive for three turns, you'd get the one turn of super-attack before Wildfire decided to burn him to a crisp. Literally, pokeball failsafes be damned.

Also, you can't really use nature to justify mechanics. Mollesk will set someone else on fire if AB decides it has to, or it won't.

Geminex
06-12-2010, 02:30 AM
As for Mollesk, it still has that maxed out defense which if I can make it last long enough will become maxed out attack stat. Switching it out will make the buff spent this turn lost. It's so tediously slow (Crap speed stat) that it can't possibly run into someone unless you were deliberately ignoring your surroundings. (And Drac is right about the free move from the item being Power Trick). If I can make it last long enough, it'll be massively damaging. Plus, I can see how easily the oil washes off as a test with Swampert, while we're targetting Wildfire.

Well, speed stat doesn't seem to indicate speed of motion, otherwise Mollesk would only be able to attacked every 5 or 6 turns at best. Besides, speed now modifies crit chance, so, if anything, it should be indicative of precision? So really, crap speed stat means absolutely nothing. Nice attempt at justification, though.

And we know how easily oil washes off, 50% probability.

Shapeshift into humans. Oh lord.
Though I don't think that's possible, otherwise ditto pokebrids would be illegal.

Menarker
06-12-2010, 03:43 AM
Well, it happened in the anime whenever Ditto was around... =P Even imitated a Officer Jenny. ^^;

Geminex
06-12-2010, 03:51 AM
...

Imitated how? Like, just superficially? Or on a deeper level as well? Like... anatomy-wise?

And do they actually have to be in the presence of whatever they're transforming into? Is DNA, or just a picture enough?

...

I only ask for security reasons, of course. Yep. That's the reason and no other. Because we can't have evil ditto pokebrids morphing into humans and tricking my security personnel. Yes. That is the reason. I am worried about security. Yes.

Menarker
06-12-2010, 11:16 AM
If we only needed to take the anime in account, they don't even need a picture, although for unfamiliar objects or individuals, a picture of having seen the person first hand, or contact with the person for DNA sample would help, It could even transform into inanimate objects like a cannon despite there not being any such objects around at the time. The nature of the transformation is so exact and deep in level (like anatomy as you mention) that only those with supreme intution like Brock's ability to identify between each individual Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny, can tell the difference between Ditto and their counterpart.

It doesn't help that Dittos are CRAPPY at learning new techniques apparently despite being able to memorize faces and details easily, so a Ditto pokebrid would presumably only be able to use the basic moves (no move tutor or breeding chain or TM moves) of the pokemon they transform into, unless they are directly copying someone who knows it.

On other news, there is some more data on Pokemon Black and White. Nothing huge so to speak, but there is finally a Dragon/Electric type. (Although nowhere as curvy as Nagarai) =P
And a move that forces a foe to have the ability Levitate... I guess that means there is going to be an added disadvantage to Levitators or something. (Shrug)

Anyhow, getting ready to leave for work!

Dracorion
06-12-2010, 12:45 PM
Note to self: have AB come up with a way to identify Dittos and Ditto Pokebrids regardless of their disguise.

Bard The 5th LW
06-12-2010, 01:03 PM
Whether I do it or not depends on AB's verdict on how it would work. If it can imitate people, I may go through with it just for the lulz.

DanteFalcon
06-12-2010, 03:30 PM
If memory serves the question of what Ditto can mimic came up with a few (or many) threads back and the response was that Ditto can mimic pokemon, Ditto brids can mimic pokebrids. Which would make that usefulness questionable. But that's just my memory and my memory is far from perfect.

Bard The 5th LW
06-12-2010, 03:52 PM
Its mostly in jest to be truthful. Like, its on the list, but I've got things that are higher up.

Another idea that is low on the list, but above Ditto, is a http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100320065558/mspaintadventures/images/thumb/3/39/AdiosToreador.gif/200px-AdiosToreador.gif.

Menarker
06-12-2010, 09:17 PM
Anyhow, do we have a plan yet? AB should be back this evening and none of us have posted or anything.

Still pretty much set on what I got ready, but I kinda need to make sure everyone else is ready too.

Dracorion
06-12-2010, 09:27 PM
My part is, what, have Aria and Kingdra target Wildfire?