View Full Version : Pokemon Umbral Discussion 32: Ultimate Showdown of Ascended Classes
Astral Harmony
06-29-2010, 01:54 AM
First, before we start this back and forth about balance and whatnot, let's begin with a visually pleasing picture...
http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a469/PokemonUmbral/PokemonUmbral17.jpg
Now that our minds are calm and our noses are bled dry, here comes the avalanche...
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Wow, that's actually not a ridiculous number of questions in all the time I was away. Oh, well. When I present the documents at the end of this post, I'll probably kick off a storm of questions from that alone.
Giving a Pokemon the Almighty type is something quite strange. I really want to say no outright because Almighty is the rightful owner of demonic and angelic beings and Boss Monsters, not humans and Pokemon. On the other hand, if you can provide a good enough theory on how a Pokemon can be the Almighty type, I'm willing to accept it when you complete it.
When you get a Pokemon of your own, including Legendaries, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. Even put a laser beam on its head. 'Cause, y'know, nobody's ever thought of that before.
Matthias's Paradigm Shift not wanting to be renewed is taken into account. Thank you.
I think that's all that was asked. Okay, here're the droids you've been looking for.
Battle System Tutorial 1 hasn't been updated any since the last time it was posted. Most likely updates to occur should be about the new status effects and about fighting in different types of hazardous environments.
Battle System Tutorial 2 is updated with Muon Harper and Lexhur's information. That's it. It'll be updated by quite a large amount after Mission 3.
Powers lists all upgrades of all classes...almost. Here's what you need to help me with. There're many different types of Magatamas out there, and the results of ingesting one or the other should result in different and unique upgrades, shouldn't you say? So, instead of creating a large series of different upgrades depending on a variety of Magatamas I could think up, I've decided to let you use your creativity to think of the kind of Magatama you would ingest should you go for the Demon Half and Demon upgrades. Do you want ice powers? More Almighty powers? Maybe some psionics? Throw me a suggestion of what you want and I'll cook up your very own demon upgrades. Demon Half level 1 is already decided, but the other nine levels are left to your imagination.
You'll find levels for accessing new Signature Techniques and Love Techniques at the very bottom after the empty Demon upgrades.
If you look closely, you'll also notice a handful of new status effects, like Exhaustion, Apathy, and Berserk. Don't worry about what those do now. Pretty soon I'll have those added to both the Battle System Tutorial 1 and the Characters and Terminology document which still needs some work done on it.
When the Characters and Terminology is done, which should be sometime this week I'm hoping, it'll be posted here. You can find paragraphs of information on the characters (alphabetized by their first name) and on various terms used in this RP. Like all other documents, I think it's good as reading material, but you should mostly use it as a reference if there's something you just don't understand.
Right, now onto the real discussion. Obviously, looking at all the upgrades and comparing, I tried to do my best to keep balance in mind while also trying to establish a clear difference between each and every level. Well, I tried my best despite the distraction of finally seeing Lucky Star for the first time. It's a strangely appealing anime and I'm very glad I picked it up.
Hammering out the clusterfuck of upgrades into something balanced will be all of our jobs. After all, they're all our upgrades, right?
Menarker
06-29-2010, 02:17 AM
Interesting stuff. Although I admit the set of extra abilities for Pokemon Breeder "Cure, Preserverance and Motivate" do not seem appealing in the slightest, especially since that's what we use Medics for already. Personally would opt for switching abilities or something like that, to boost the effectiveness of individual pokemons in slightly different ways, but that's just me
Also, Pokemon Co-op techniques seem oddly missing? Or is that included as "Signature Techniques" below?
Also, a question regarding the "Love Techniques"...
- 2nd Signature Technique (Level 8) ~ You're as strong as most mid-ranking officers.
- 2nd Love Technique (Level 9) ~ Things are getting hot and heavy.
- 3rd Signature Technique (Level 12) ~ Not feeling unstoppable enough yet?
- 3rd Love Technique (Level 13) ~ Forever in love...unless you do something stupid.
That makes it sound like the later ones is the strongest one... despite the fact that I already chosen Lola (the hopeful love interest) for my first one. Do earlier ranks of Love Techniques improve as the characters level up as well?
Astral Harmony
06-29-2010, 02:32 AM
True. I must've forgotten about Ability switching. I'll be sure to correct that probably tomorrow night, or maybe even after I'm done with the RP post.
Signature Techniques is pretty much the catch-all term which includes Pokemon Co-Ops.
The Signature Techniques and Love Techniques won't be any stronger or weaker regardless of how powerful you've grown or how much in love you and your love interest are. Those are just dumbass little descriptions I made at the last minute because I'm retarded.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 02:41 AM
I was just reading up more and comparing... and sorry to say... but...
It seems unfair that the Tuners are practically equal superior to Breeders in every way! (Although this is likely to change since you said you still might add some more things and there might have been some things you missed in your proofreading such as custom move at level 3 or 5 or so...)
Both have:
- 3rd Xth Stage/Veteran upgrade is now available.
-"Cure, Preserverance and Motivate"
- Rage Boost. Same amount for both.
- 2 custom items
- 1 custom move (at Snagger/Trainer 5)
Tuners get:
-Instant Death Ball
- 8 pokemons total!
Breeders get:
- Use item as free action instead of forfeiting a pokemon's action.
- Another rage ability (Partial resist to a type of attack which requires guessing which ally will be attacked and with which type.)
Now, I'm quite... unimpressed. Totally. I was believing or lead to understood that several of the things like Veterans and maybe the custom moves was supposed to belong to Breeder alone since they are supposed to be the ones improving their pokemons to new heights. Snaggers getting more pokemons sounds great and is in character, but they also get every good advantage of the breeder while the current Breeders get 1 thing that is decent (but not great) and another thing that don't really improve them? I don't like that. Not one bit.
Tuners at the moment get more pokemons and equal number of pokemons as strong as the breeder class who has less actual pokemons to begin with.
But, like I said, there were probably details you missed and things are still in the proofreading stage.
Overblades look like they got a great deal though. ^^
Also...
Pokebrid (Level 5)
- Pokeform types have status and statistic defenses depending on the type they are. A Poison type Pokemon is immune to Poison and Bad Poison status effects, for example. The best way to know what does what is to look at the special defenses of Slayer armor.
Some of the other elements like grass for drain immunity or dark for flinch immunity would make sense. But Poison is already immune to Poison and I think some other elements like fire to burn or ice to frozen applies too.
Also!
- All Pokebrids can now use moves beyond their third turn in a row, but at the penalty of a Rage Point cost that grows with subsequent turns. I'll explain about the Rage Point System below.
Didn't you earlier offered (and we accepted) that Pokebrids no longer suffer the 3 turn attack limit, at the cost of them having cool-down and charge-ups on moves not used during their Poke-Sync period?
Astral Harmony
06-29-2010, 03:06 AM
This is true. I think I'll lower Tuners to one Xth Stage/Veteran Pokemon at Tuner level 3. That should make up for the fact that they'll end up with more Pokemon than Breeders have.
As for Devas, all that stuff is already implied by what I put there. At least, I think it is.
That last part was just overlooked. Ignore it until I find it and remove it.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 03:11 AM
As for Devas, all that stuff is already implied by what I put there. At least, I think it is.
What I meant is that the Devas ability to gain status immunity related to your type may be redundant sometimes to someone who is already of that specific type. (Mind you, it's a great idea otherwise.)
For example: Dante > Matthias's most common form is Venomoth, a poison/bug type. Poison armor normally grants immunity to poison. However, Poison pokemons are already naturally immune to poison. So Dante doesn't get a bonus for his poison type because the Devas ability is trying to give him something (Poison immunity) he already has (Poison Pokemon already immune to poison). He'd only get a bonus for his bug typing.
Anyhow, I gotta head for bed. See you later. ^^
Astral Harmony
06-29-2010, 03:37 AM
So, then he gains the advantage to his Bug type. Is this really a problem?
Powers has been streamlined and updated. The Xth Stage/Veteran upgrades for Tuners are all removed and new tactics and status effects caused by Snagballs are available in their stead.
EDIT: Post is more than halfway done. Should have the rest done and posted tomorrow night. Get ready. I'm going to bring it all crashing down on you.
EDIT 2: More fixes made to Battle Tutorial 1 and Powers. Deleted some information that both documents shared and simplied Slayer Level 1.
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 07:42 AM
Prime? Transcendent? Supreme? Ultimate? Mega? Imperial? Grand?
I meant for the UBER pokemon themselves, not the evolutionary stage. As in, what is Xth-level Tyranitar going to be called?
Pokemon Trainer (Level 5)
- 1st Xth Stage/Veteran upgrade is now available. Legendary Pokemon do not evolve, but can be Veterans.
- 1st custom move availability.
I think I love you, AB. This means I only need to get Breeder level 2! I could get three levels of Slayer and five Half-Demon if I so choose!
Can I have your babies?
Giving a Pokemon the Almighty type is something quite strange. I really want to say no outright because Almighty is the rightful owner of demonic and angelic beings and Boss Monsters, not humans and Pokemon. On the other hand, if you can provide a good enough theory on how a Pokemon can be the Almighty type, I'm willing to accept it when you complete it.
Does this mean you approve the Ability I proposed? Because you know, if you do, there's really not much point to making this pokemon Almighty. I'd just have to add a line that says it only takes 1x damage from anything. In fact, I could've done that from the beginning, but an Almighty-type pokemon is just something I could not pass up.
Well, let's see... I'm thinking lab experiment. My character is a Researcher, after all (well, technically she was just an inventor, but changing her into a researcher is no trouble at all). I'm thinking an employee of Ricewood's. Tentative name: Sophie.
Details... details... Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here, see what you think: perhaps Ricewood Masterworks is experimenting with Demonic DNA (retrieved from sites where one of the Kimonos have been wounded, or maybe they just asked nicely). The result is a Demonic Almighty-type pokemon.
I'm thinking your answer's going to be no, but what the hell. I'll keep on trying to flesh this out before you respond to it.
Oh! Oh! Better idea! It's a newly-discovered pokemon that can change types at a whim. So it's not an Almighty-type per se. Rather, it's any type it needs to be in order to recieve 1x damage from any given attack.
- 1st Signature Technique (Level 4) ~ You're starting to tap into your true power.
- 1st Love Technique (Level 4) ~ Hey! I think someone likes you!
- 2nd Signature Technique (Level 8) ~ You're as strong as most mid-ranking officers.
- 2nd Love Technique (Level 9) ~ Things are getting hot and heavy.
- 3rd Signature Technique (Level 12) ~ Not feeling unstoppable enough yet?
- 3rd Love Technique (Level 13) ~ Forever in love...unless you do something stupid.
That... well, if Pokemon Co-Ops are included in this, I'm kinda screwed aren't I? I already have one Co-Op, and I'm getting another one for Dialga's Time Distortion. But I wanted at least two more so I could give Pierce a thematically appropriate Signature Technique and another that is completely insane. I mean, mind-blowingly insane, I just can't pass it up.
Also, how does this apply to Pierce? He already has two Love Techniques, after all. I guess when he reaches level 9 he won't get another one? Or does I have to pick one to stick with until he reaches level 9?
Hm... going to have to figure out what to do with Aria if I can't give her a Love Technique or a Pokemon Co-Op...
Which reminds me,
Pokemon Co-Op (Dialga)
Time Distortion: Dialga makes Time go all FUBAR for five turns.
Effect: Enemy Paradigm Shifts last for 1 turn, ally Paradigm Shifts are unaffected. If an enemy uses a move that lasts a set number of turns (buff move, Signature Technique, Synchronization Technique), the duration is halved. Allies no longer have cooldown or charge-up periods for moves. Enemy cooldown and charge-up periods are doubled. Enemy status effects apply twice in one turn. Ally status effects apply every two turns. Time Distortion lasts for five turns.
Consumes 70/100 Rage Points.
Thought about making it double the duration of ally moves that last a set number of turns (Barrier, Maid to Mistress, Great Escape, or attack moves like Whitney's Black Hole) but decided against it since that would ramp up the RP cost far too much. As it is, the thing is probably too powerful for 70 RPs.
- Use Aura Reading to find out what most NPCs think of you. Impact could use this to find potential allies for his evil emergence, for example.
This is going to be interesting. Pierce is going to want to use it on everyone after the events of his sidequest.
Question: can we get more Signature Sequences when we pick our Demonic upgrades?
Pierce might wanna go for sheer power or some shit that warps space. Man, it's going to take a while to figure something out.
Geminex
06-29-2010, 09:26 AM
Wheee! Survived the flight, slightly jetlagged, but nothing too severe. Time to get back to exercising my reign of terror.
Seriously now, it's situational, you're saying? I didn't realize that every other single pokemon we have is so versatile! We always use any of our pokemon in any given situation, right?
More situational than most other pokemon, I'd say. Most pokemon have more than just one use, whereas your anti-cheater would be just that: An anti-cheater. Good against assholes, but not much else. Question is just how many assholes we'll be facing.
You should probably PM Gem and mock him for not taking the time to read the walls of text and thus all details relevant to him. Being a "evil genius" is no excuse for not doing his homework. =P
Well excuuuuse me, Princess; I was too busy flying through the air for a total of 22 hours to fullfill my evil-genius duties. I'll make it up to you, though, I'll fullfill them extra-vigorously for the next few days. In fact, let me get right on that. (And Matt, fine. Sorry for not noticing, got confused.)
Dude, I spent most of the "wall of text" summing up the rules stipulations that AB made, asking questions, and clarifying them for everyone's sake. At least take the time to read the stuff. It's good for you.
Y'know what I think? I'll tell you what I think. I think that you and Dracorion spent the last few pages having a "Who can be the whiniest little bitch" competition. And you won. Congratulations.
And I also said and quoted that you're contractually not allowed to point your rage at me for anything Mollesk based.
See, Drac sometimes does something like this. He takes something I say, some quote, some minor detail and tries to misconstrue it as an obstacle to my... operations. Thing about that is, you're creating something out of nothing, or trying to. You're telling me there's a barrier, and then you're weakly justifying that barrier. But see, it's not a very well-supported barrier. It's crumbling and unimpressive and when you look closely you realise, it's not actually there. The only way it could... hinder me is if I agreed with you that, yes indeed, the quotes and details you've so meticulously cited are valid reasons to demand my... cessation, if I agreed that there's a barrier there. Of course, if that were the case were, if your protests were based on a formal agreement or promise, then, I assure you, I would not be attempting my protests in the first place. The fact that I'm acting in a certain manner should be enough of an indicator that I think my actions are... justified. And I do. Your protests are immaterial, your wall is nonexistent. In the spirit of generosity I offered to give you a chance to prove my mollesk-related protests wrong. You had that chance, failed. I said that I had forgotten my criticism, that was true for the time being. But then... I remembered, if you will. There's nothing contractual there, friend. It's not nearly as absolute as you'd like me to believe. Quite the opposite; like I said, it's immaterial. And my protests... stand.
I would hardly call it biting. More like talking back to the hand that feeds me.
If this were a real-life relationship this would be the part where you get a tattoo and piercings, just to spite me.
Hammering out the clusterfuck of upgrades into something balanced will be all of our jobs. After all, they're all our upgrades, right?
Yes. Yeeeesssss....
You have chosen well, milord. I will go out. I will read, model, analyse...
I will create...
BALANCE!
This is going to be interesting. Pierce is going to want to use it on everyone after the events of his sidequest.
The way AB described it, it only works on NPCs. No Impact mind-reading for you. You're gonna have to find a better way to justify Pierce's distrust, friggin' oath-breaker.
Pierce might wanna go for sheer power or some shit that warps space. Man, it's going to take a while to figure something out.
Usually, I'd protest that Pierce isn't nearly awesome enough for that, but fair enough. I really don't mind too much. More power for Pierce means more power for me, yah?
In fact, if you really need more sigtech slots, maybe AB'd agree to letting you purchase another sigtech at the cost of a level-up. Meaning that instead of getting a level in a class upon levelup, you'd design and get another sigtech.
How did the custom-move discussion end, by the way? Do trainers still get the choice between a Co-Op technique, or a rage-free custom move, instead of a signature technique?
In regards to my magatama...
I'm thinking control (surprise surprise). Not a lot of "in your face" force, but the ability to
a) find out stuff about the enemy, maybe enhanced aura scanning, analysis, and even mild precognition
b) influence the enemy's morale, tactics and targetting
c) strike very precisely at certain elements of the enemy force. Not to deal much damage overall, but to hinder specialists and supporters, to modify the flow of their reinforcements, to apply overwhelming force in a single place, should it become necessary
d) support the rest of the party (not certain how)
Yeah. Pretty much manipulate the flow of battle. It's a lot, but I've got a lot of levels to fit it in. Also, since the 5th Slayer level is just the RDPA, could I take that level, and then drop it as soon as we reach demon? (Possibly justified by some event or another that makes it impossible for Impact to use the power armor anymore, or maybe he just refuses to.)
And finally, what the hell is "ability shift" gonna be? Because if it involves giving pokemon abilities that they don't have natually, fuck that. Abilities aren't balanced at all, they're usually either thematic, or they compensate for a pokemon's weaknesses, or they accacerbate a pokemon's intended role. Shifting them around would be a major, major thing.
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 09:55 AM
Wheee! Survived the flight, slightly jetlagged, but nothing too severe. Time to get back to exercising my reign of terror.
You don't inspire terror and you certainly don't have a reign. I've been telling you this since forever: try harder. Or better yet: do something.
More situational than most other pokemon, I'd say. Most pokemon have more than just one use, whereas your anti-cheater would be just that: An anti-cheater. Good against assholes, but not much else. Question is just how many assholes we'll be facing.
How many bosses have we faced this mission alone? Pokegeddon and Wildfire. And there's still Major Grant, Discord, Lucian and Miyo to go. And that's just this mission.
Other missions will presumably have a comparable amount of assholes.
See, Drac sometimes does something like this. He takes something I say, some quote, some minor detail and tries to misconstrue it as an obstacle to my... operations. Thing about that is, you're creating something out of nothing, or trying to. You're telling me there's a barrier, and then you're weakly justifying that barrier. But see, it's not a very well-supported barrier. It's crumbling and unimpressive and when you look closely you realise, it's not actually there. The only way it could... hinder me is if I agreed with you that, yes indeed, the quotes and details you've so meticulously cited are valid reasons to demand my... cessation, if I agreed that there's a barrier there. Of course, if that were the case were, if your protests were based on a formal agreement or promise, then, I assure you, I would not be attempting my protests in the first place. The fact that I'm acting in a certain manner should be enough of an indicator that I think my actions are... justified. And I do. Your protests are immaterial, your wall is nonexistent. In the spirit of generosity I offered to give you a chance to prove my mollesk-related protests wrong. You had that chance, failed. I said that I had forgotten my criticism, that was true for the time being. But then... I remembered, if you will. There's nothing contractual there, friend. It's not nearly as absolute as you'd like me to believe. Quite the opposite; like I said, it's immaterial. And my protests... stand.
Responding to the highlighted portion: except, you know, maybe, juuuuuust maybe, by some freak occurence of nature, the planets aligned and there was a solar flare and you just happened to be wrong in thinking your actions are justified. You know, maybe.
I'm not referring to my attempt to screw you over with some obscure quote. That was admittedly bullshit. Something I did for giggles. Hell, I'm not even referring to Menarker's attempt. That was bullshit too.
If this were a real-life relationship this would be the part where you get a tattoo and piercings, just to spite me.
Maybe if I were talking about you. But I can understand why you might've thought I was: I forgot the universe revolves around you.
Yes. Yeeeesssss....
You have chosen well, milord. I will go out. I will read, model, analyse...
I will create...
BALANCE!
You mean "BALANCE", right? Either way, you shouldn't be in charge of balancing anything. Make proposals, sure.
The way AB described it, it only works on NPCs. No Impact mind-reading for you. You're gonna have to find a better way to justify Pierce's distrust, friggin' oath-breaker.
Again, not talking about you. Pierce is going to be rather self-conscious after his sidequest, and he'll want to know what the others think of him.
Usually, I'd protest that Pierce isn't nearly awesome enough for that, but fair enough. I really don't mind too much. More power for Pierce means more power for me, yah?
In fact, if you really need more sigtech slots, maybe AB'd agree to letting you purchase another sigtech at the cost of a level-up. Meaning that instead of getting a level in a class upon levelup, you'd design and get another sigtech.
I can't really spare a level. Or rather, I really really don't want to. Also, if Pierce isn't awesome enough, no one is. Certainly not Impact.
I mean, what has Impact done? Become leader by being a whiny little bitch? And the flipping the fuck out whenever someone dares to do something for themselves? Not to mention, being obviously evil.
Anyway, maybe I could, I dunno, spend a level on just a Signature Technique? Not sell one, because then I'd just be left with fourteen. Rather, make it so that, say, Demon Half Level 4 gives an extra Signature Technique and nothing else.
Alternatively, can I redesign Aura Blade and Focus Ray?
How did the custom-move discussion end, by the way? Do trainers still get the choice between a Co-Op technique, or a rage-free custom move, instead of a signature technique?
We get one signature move for custom pokemon like Mollesk or Enmakki. More moves have to be gotten as custom moves from upgrades. And Dialga's Time Distortion became a Pokemon Co-Op.
And finally, what the hell is "ability shift" gonna be? Because if it involves giving pokemon abilities that they don't have natually, fuck that. Abilities aren't balanced at all, they're usually either thematic, or they compensate for a pokemon's weaknesses, or they accacerbate a pokemon's intended role. Shifting them around would be a major, major thing.
I think it was stated the the abilities have to be thematic. For example, I can't give Tyranitar Water Absorb. I could instead, rather, give it Sand Veil.
Anyway, I realize I may have been particularly hurtful toward you in this post. But frankly, it does get rather annoying when you constantly go on and on about being an evil genius and how terrifying you are. That said, you're a silly doodle, and will you tone it the fuck down?
I mean, at least I try to keep my annoyingness varied.
Geminex
06-29-2010, 10:50 AM
Other missions will presumably have a comparable amount of assholes.
I'm not talking just about boss battles. If it were good in all boss battles, then it'd be pretty cool. But how many times in the last few battles would it actually have been useful? Let's look at it mission-by-mission.
First: Not at all.
Second: Maybe against Phantomere in his "can't touch this" modus. Other than that, not really, and even in that case, normal-damage attacks by a reduced-stats pokemon, really wouldn't do much to bring down a ruin general. I mean, they'd contribute, but using that slot the manner we were meant to, would probably have been more effective.
Third: Would've been good to relieve frustration against Gardenoir, but other than that? Sure, it could be hitting Wildfire. But unless it only has a pretty small sliver of health left, it'd be better to use a pokemon that can fight against the enemy mooks, to that we can expose and kill Wildfire more quickly. We can observe the rest of this mission, but I think the trend will continue.
In summary, it's not that Anticheator (that is its name) wouldn't be good, it's that, I think, it'd be better to invest as many resources as we can into exposing a boss, and then strike at the boss once it's been exposed.
Maybe if I were talking about you. But I can understand why you might've thought I was: I forgot the universe revolves around you.
Well, I'm the only one you talk back to, hence my assumption that you meant me. And if you're gonna dispute that I am not a hand that feeds you, fair enough, that's fine. Though if that's the case, I'm sure you wouldn't mind proving your independence by removing from your sidequest any elements that I originally suggested. That means that it can't involve the revalation that Pierce has a criminal past, and once worked for Faynoc, it can't involve Pierce going after Faynoc solo, with our team jumping in to help, it can't involve the rescue of Pierce's sister from Faynoc, it can't invovle Pierce finding Enmakki.
M'kay?
In regards to the Menarker thing, by no means do I think I'm always right (well, I do, but that's not the point). But I'm saying that, in that sort of situation (where his protest was basically unfounded), the only way he could be successful was if I agreed with him, and I pointed out that I'm very unlikely to agree with him in that matter.
I think it was stated the the abilities have to be thematic. For example, I can't give Tyranitar Water Absorb. I could instead, rather, give it Sand Veil.
Ffffair enough... I can always start protesting on a case-by-case basis. Though where was the post that said this? I can't find it.
We get one signature move for custom pokemon like Mollesk or Enmakki. More moves have to be gotten as custom moves from upgrades. And Dialga's Time Distortion became a Pokemon Co-Op.
How many custom pokemon can you have, then? Is there a limit for them? Cause getting a free custom move with every custom pokemon, how is that justified? I'm fine with custom moves, and as long as they cost you a sigtech slot, I'm even fine with them being quite powerful. But why give them out for free?
I mean, what has Impact done? Become leader by being a whiny little bitch? And the flipping the fuck out whenever someone dares to do something for themselves? Not to mention, being obviously evil.
Become leader by being best at it. Setting the stage for becoming really evil later.
And seriously, I could have sworn I threatened that you wouldn't see the stuff I do coming until it was way, way too late. Now you're complaining about the fact that I don't seem to be doing anything? That is the point.
And yes. I make proposals. By doing so, I hope I can create balance. That is also the point.
Though I can cut down on the evil-genius thing. What other persona to assume?
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 11:00 AM
I'm not talking just about boss battles. If it were good in all boss battles, then it'd be pretty cool. But how many times in the last few battles would it actually have been useful? Let's look at it mission-by-mission.
First: Not at all.
Second: Maybe against Phantomere in his "can't touch this" modus. Other than that, not really, and even in that case, normal-damage attacks by a reduced-stats pokemon, really wouldn't do much to bring down a ruin general. I mean, they'd contribute, but using that slot the manner we were meant to, would probably have been more effective.
Third: Would've been good to relieve frustration against Gardenoir, but other than that? Sure, it could be hitting Wildfire. But unless it only has a pretty small sliver of health left, it'd be better to use a pokemon that can fight against the enemy mooks, to that we can expose and kill Wildfire more quickly. We can observe the rest of this mission, but I think the trend will continue.
In summary, it's not that Anticheator (that is its name) wouldn't be good, it's that, I think, it'd be better to invest as many resources as we can into exposing a boss, and then strike at the boss once it's been exposed.
Fair enough. What do you think would be an Anti-cheater (that will never be the official name) that would be worth using and not overpowered would be like?
In other words, do some balancing.
Perhaps... have it do 2x damage whenever it's piercing a defense?
Well, I'm the only one you talk back to, hence my assumption that you meant me. And if you're gonna dispute that I am not a hand that feeds you, fair enough, that's fine. Though if that's the case, I'm sure you wouldn't mind proving your independence by removing from your sidequest any elements that I originally suggested. That means that it can't involve the revalation that Pierce has a criminal past, and once worked for Faynoc, it can't involve Pierce going after Faynoc solo, with our team jumping in to help, it can't involve the rescue of Pierce's sister from Faynoc, it can't invovle Pierce finding Enmakki.
M'kay?
Are you pulling a bullshit argument and turning it into an obstacle? A barrier, if you will?
God, I hope so.
Also, I'm pretty sure that when Menarker was talking about me biting a hand, he meant AB and my whining.
Ffffair enough... I can always start protesting on a case-by-case basis. Though where was the post that said this? I can't find it.
Well hell, I'm not going to look for it.
How many custom pokemon can you have, then? Is there a limit for them? Cause getting a free custom move with every custom pokemon, how is that justified? I'm fine with custom moves, and as long as they cost you a sigtech slot, I'm even fine with them being quite powerful. But why give them out for free?
Probably a self-imposed limit. I doubt every custom pokemon will be getting a signature move, or I would be giving Aria one. I have no plans nor any inclination to do so.
Become leader by being best at it. Setting the stage for becoming really evil later.
And seriously, I could have sworn I threatened that you wouldn't see the stuff I do coming until it was way, way too late. Now you're complaining about the fact that I don't seem to be doing anything? That is the point.
Ah, bullshit.
Though I can cut down on the evil-genius thing. What other persona to assume?
Pushover?
Menarker
06-29-2010, 11:00 AM
That... well, if Pokemon Co-Ops are included in this, I'm kinda screwed aren't I? I already have one Co-Op, and I'm getting another one for Dialga's Time Distortion. But I wanted at least two more so I could give Pierce a thematically appropriate Signature Technique and another that is completely insane. I mean, mind-blowingly insane, I just can't pass it up.
Don't forget you get a SignTech at level 4 Slayer, since you said you were planning on reaching that point.
Oh! Oh! Better idea! It's a newly-discovered pokemon that can change types at a whim. So it's not an Almighty-type per se. Rather, it's any type it needs to be in order to recieve 1x damage from any given attack.
The problem with that one is that we're dealing with mobs of foes with varying elements. Are you implying that it'll change its element for each and every single attack sent its way? It's rather like a Kecleon in a sense (except it's before instead of after the attack.)
I meant for the UBER pokemon themselves, not the evolutionary stage. As in, what is Xth-level Tyranitar going to be called?
Since you're going for "maturity", only thing I can think of is Regiutar. The name Tyranitar means tyrant and Large Lizard (also resembling the name Tyrannasarus Rex) Regius is Latin for "Royal" or King, which is a step up the "approval" ladder instead of being a tyrant or my other suggestion, a despot. (Despoitar) So Regiutar would be something like Large Lizard King or something. ^^;
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 11:06 AM
Don't forget you get a SignTech at level 4 Slayer, since you said you were planning on reaching that point.
No, see. Look at the upgrade list again. All characters, regardless of their classes or upgrades, will only have three Signature Techniques (or Pokemon Co-Ops) available to them at specific levels.
The problem with that one is that we're dealing with mobs of foes with varying elements. Are you implying that it'll change its element for each and every single attack sent its way? It's rather like a Kecleon in a sense (except it's before instead of after the attack.)
Yep. Every. Single. Attack. Even if there are several attacks at the same time, or multi-typed attacks (like certain Synchronization Techniques).
Who knows? Maybe it's got a Spider-Sense.
Since you're going for "maturity", only thing I can think of is Regiutar. The name Tyranitar means tyrant and Large Lizard (also resembling the name Tyrannasarus Rex) Regius is Latin for "Royal" or King, which is a step up the "approval" ladder instead of being a tyrant or my other suggestion, a despot. (Despoitar) So Regiutar would be something like Large Lizard King or something. ^^;
Try harder.
Maybe go for big rather than royal. I had Collositar (don't think so), Titanitar (too close to the current one) and Behemitar (also don't think so).
Menarker
06-29-2010, 11:12 AM
Oh, the list got changed more than I expected from last time. Guess I gotta read up more closely on those little details.
And how would that pokemon of yours react to Kirie during his signature technique which automatically shifts her weapon so it'll be super or quad effective if ever possible? Like dividing by 0?
Geminex
06-29-2010, 11:16 AM
Pure power? Doubling the physical attack of Swampert? Notorious ground-attack user? Fuck no. I mean, Earthquake's not that convenient, but there's plenty of other physical attacks, and Swampert isn't supposed to have excessive attack, it has good stats already.
And Flower Gift for Shaymin? If I read bulbapedia correctly, that powers up attack and special defense for all party pokemon when it's sunny? Again, fuck no. Even if it were only for Shaymin, there's a reason the only pokemon that has that technique is a pokemon with fairly crappy stats. Well, not crappy, but certainly not 100 across the board.
See, this is what I mean. Those are strong abilities. They're used to compensate for a pokemon being weaker, stats-wise. You're trying to give them to pokemon who're strong, stats-wise.
Look, how about, you can't shift to an ability that's stronger than the one that's present already. We don't have to establish tiers, but no replacing a weak, or even a detrimental, ability with a strong one.
And AB specifically asked us to balance, I can hardly be accused of whining here. And if you think I'm whining, I haven't even started on Mollesk's custom technique.
Are you pulling a bullshit argument and turning it into an obstacle? A barrier, if you will?
God, I hope so.
Nnnoooo, I'm illustrating that howevermuch you dispute it, you frequently benefit from your interaction with me, often without me benefiting in return. As such, I can be indeed described as a 'hand that feeds you'.
As for anticheator (come up with a name for it), it really all depends on how much AB will allow. Talk to him about it, then go to the limit, I guess.
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 11:24 AM
Oh, the list got changed more than I expected from last time. Guess I gotta read up more closely on those little details.
And how would that pokemon of yours react to Kirie during his signature technique which automatically shifts her weapon so it'll be super or quad effective if ever possible? Like dividing by 0?
YES FUCK YEAH SHIT LET'S DIVIDE BY ZERO LET'S DUUU EEEEETTTT.
No, seriously, we fucking should.
Or, y'know, if we don't want to break the game, we can just say that Kirie's Angel reflexes can't quite catch up with Anti-cheater's instant-type change and precognitive ability.
Nnnoooo, I'm illustrating that howevermuch you dispute it, you frequently benefit from your interaction with me, often without me benefiting in return. As such, I can be indeed described as a 'hand that feeds you'.
Oh for the love of God. Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that you are a hand that feeds me. I never actually said that you weren't, I was under the impression that we were talking about AB, another hand that feeds me.
Also, you've benefitted a lot. My wins have been largely inconsequential. I mean, making sure you can't go for Shizuka? An imaginary girl from an RP on a forum about a sprite comic that already ended?
Your wins, however few, were much more important than mine (even if they are still wins on a RP on a forum about a sprite comic that already ended). Especially because they further your own goals for world domination, and mine were pretty much on a whim.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 11:29 AM
Dude, improved pokemons are supposed to be the highlight of Pokemon Breeders. Get that through your head.
See, this is what I mean. Those are strong abilities. They're used to compensate for a pokemon being weaker, stats-wise. You're trying to give them to pokemon who're strong, stats-wise.
Oh? My dual pokemons of Serene Grace, Pierce's Tyranitar, and several psuedo legendaries users say otherwise. Strong ability on strong pokemons. Abilities are given to all range of pokemons. Strong or shitty. Shitty like all your arguments.
Look, how about, you can't shift to an ability that's stronger than the one that's present already. We don't have to establish tiers, but no replacing a weak, or even a detrimental, ability with a strong one.
Done. :3 Shaymin has Serene Grace, which is powerful as heck, so there is a sense of equality. I'll have Shaymin uses Flower Gift during its land form. ^^
Really dude, just stick to balancing overdrives and demon. Everyone knows you hate pokemons in a sense (playing a character that's trying to remove their presence) and are trying to nerf it to hell. AB will handle the approval of pokemon stuff. :3
*Smiles about Huge Power Swampert and Flower Gift Shaymin he'll present*
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 11:31 AM
Geminex won't be happy until every single pokemon has a smaller penis than his.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 11:37 AM
... now, I'm imagining a custom pokemon based on one of the various real life creatures with penises bigger than the rest of its body...
Or the type of squid that has one of its 25 ft long arms become a penis... (that type of arm is called a hectocotylus)
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 11:48 AM
Really? I was imagining that he'd throw some... AHEM... modifications into his RPDA.
Makes more sense than him suddenly deciding not to hate pokemon, anyway.
EDIT: To elaborate on Anti-cheater, making it change types to reduce the damage from any attacks to 1x fits in perfectly. Then it can serve as the inspiration for Sophie's suit. You know, the one that's every piece of Slayer armor combined. It'd be her attempt to duplicate Anti-cheater's properties (albeit, with actual resistances, you know, 1/2x damage, instead of 1x damage like Anti-cheater), and it wouldn't be a perfect attempt.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 11:54 AM
Oh, I didn't mean that Impact would adopt one of these arm-sex pokemons. I just imagined the species in general...
Although if their existance would be made known, he'll surely take it as a personal affront or something.
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 12:02 PM
I find myself suddenly tempted to make a Hectopus pokemon.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 12:27 PM
AB: Since we have the ability to multi-class now, this is bound to come up. How will you have trainer/snaggers who are pokebrid/slayer/demon operate?
Like say, if we had Pierce become a Slayer for his next upgrade for some reason. He'll have 2 pokemons and he'll have the ability to fight like a Slayer. Would he be able to attack alongside all his pokemons in the same manner as Shock Troopers? Or do one pokemon have to forfeit their action for him to act or something like that?
Hoping that it'll be like Shock Troopers and slayers/pokebrids/demons can act while their pokemons act too.
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 12:32 PM
Put it in orange, because this next thing I'm going to say is going to suck out the seriousness:
Furthermore, how will Pokebrid-Slayer-Trainer-Snagger-Demon PCs work? How would a Snagger/Trainer function? Will they have six pokemon? Four pokemon, plus Snags?
And what the hell would a Slayer/Pokebrid do if their form doesn't really allow them to wield weapons or armor (protuberances, lack of hands, etc.)?
Menarker
06-29-2010, 12:45 PM
AB: All the normal Slayer type armors protect against a certain type of debuff or status condition or attack quality (like OHKO or Crit). But what about Ruin armor? It protects from ruin type moves, but I don't see a similar protection that goes with it. (This might also come into play for Devas who get access to ruin forms and the ability to assume the status resistance of that element)
Also, in regards to Overdrives's immunity to a certain pokemon element type at level 3 and 5. I understand that at level 3, there is a limit to what can be chosen due to some of the other elements being more valuable to resist. Can we assume however that at level 5, the Overdrive can also choose from any of the elements listed at level 3? (Technically giving access to choose any element except for Almighty and the one they already chosen.)
Also, does this immunity to types also protect against status moves of that type? Electric type Thunder Wave or Normal type Sing or Ghost type Confuse Ray?
EDIT: In regards to the new characters we'll be making, how many levels of a class other than demon do we need to be accepted? (To prevent people trying to make 5 levels of demon before it is even accessible, or going 1 level of whatever class and stacking heavily on demon so they get super powerful when it comes out.) Presumably, 4 is acceptable, because that's where everyone is right now, and we're allowed to stock up on demonhood at this point (even though it doesn't take effect yet.)
EDIT: Since we currently have Slayers and Pokebrids getting 10 rage when attacking and such, does that mean that Lvl 1 Overblades will get 15 rage and Lvl 5 Overblades will get 20. For each attack? (They get to attack twice at Lvl 3.)
I'm not saying I have a problem with it. Just wanted to clarify.
EDIT: Damn, that server breakdown was a pain in the ass.
Also, can explain Overdrives (The one that comes attached to the Powersuit) in more details?
Also, rage tanks seem to be missing from the list of accessories. Accidental?
DanteFalcon
06-29-2010, 02:53 PM
As much as I appreciate the help Menarker I feel I should make it known that poison types aren't actually immune to poison moves. They get a resistance but not immunity. The only type with immunity to poison I believe is Steel.
Oh and Gem I wasn't offended or anything. I just didn't want to keep posting it so I gave you an incentive to reply.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 03:18 PM
I meant the poison status.
To wit!
- Pokeform types have status and statistic defenses depending on the type they are. A Poison type Pokemon is immune to Poison and Bad Poison status effects, for example. The best way to know what does what is to look at the special defenses of Slayer armor.
Reinforced Vest (Normal -50%, Always Equipped)
Pesticide Layer (Bug -50%, Evasion Debuff Immunity)
Shadow Suit (Dark -50%, Flinch Immunity)
Courage Emblem (Dragon -50%, SpDef Debuff Immunity)
Insulated Armor (Electric -50%, Paralyze Immunity)
Impact Gear (Fighting -50%, Def Debuff Immunity)
FR Suit (Fire -50%, Burn Immunity)
Windbreaker (Flying -50%, Crit Immunity)
Holy Talisman (Ghost -50%, Death Immunity)
Herbicide Layer (Grass -50%, Drain Immunity)
Jump Boots (Ground -50%, Acc Debuff Immunity)
Counter Injector (Poison -50%, Poison Immunity)
Brain Case (Psychic -50%, Confuse Immunity)
Thermal Underwear (Ice -50%, Freeze Immunity)
Sonic Guard (Rock -50%, Att Debuff Immunity)
Platemail (Steel -50%, Bleed Immunity)
Weather Cloak (Water -50%, Sleep Immunity)
So, if your form was a water steel type like Empoleon for example, you would have immunity to bleed and sleep. If you were a dragon psychic type, you would have immunity to confusion and special defense debuffs.
However!
Poison pokemons are already immune to being poisoned (says so in Bulbapedia), even though they aren't immune to damage from poison attacks like acid. However, if you went further into Devas, that particular bonus would have been wasted on you whenever you shift into Venomoth. So you would only get evasion debuff immunity despite Venomoth having two types.
EDIT: However, I just noticed that this bonus shifts from form to form, so it's not like you have to choose a form to get that bonus and stick with it. So that's goodish. ^^
AB: What status immunity would a pokebrid using Normal pokemon form have, like Matthias's Porygon Z? I also asked about Ruin pokemons but noticed that Normal types don't have a bonus attached to it because the bonus was "Always applied" which is a Slayer unique trait.
DanteFalcon
06-29-2010, 03:27 PM
Actually currently that particular ability is really odd with me. Given my ability to element shift in two of my forms.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 03:29 PM
... Yeah, that is crazy. God, if you were a Kecleon, AB would be shuddering about how often your element and your bonus would change for each and every attack that hit you.
Geminex
06-29-2010, 03:34 PM
Menarker, you're much more insulting than usual. I'm impressed.
Though really, this seems to be less about venting, and more about putting me in my place.
I really don't think my arguments are shitty in any way at all. Of course power varies from pokemon to pokemon. But in general, whenever there's a really strong power, such as huge power (which effectively doubles a stat for god's sake, it gives Swampert another 110 free points into base stats how the fuck is that not overpowered?), there will only be very, very few pokemon with that ability. Why is that, you ask? Well, I don't know. But if I made an educated guess, I say imagine that the ability was never meant to be freely available. And if you think really hard, you might be able to come up with a reason for that. If I had to make another educated guess, I'd say that said reason will probably involve the fact that there's a huge fucking difference between making pokemon more versatile and stronger by giving them a bigger selection of abilties to choose from, and by grossly overpowering a pokemon by doubling one of its main stats.
Of course, if you can make a coherent argument why it would be beneficial to a fair and balanced game if Swampert's attack suddenly doubled, I'm all ears. And the same applies to Flower Gift (because, really, not even serene grace compares to that. Totally different league). But, the way I see it, there's just no possible justification, asides from 'I want my pokemon to be more powerful and for all of you to pay more attention to me'
And one more thing...
See, I don't hate pokemon (why the fuck would you think I do? Cause I play Impact? That's called role-playing. Make believe. You should try it some time). I hate it when people make their characters more powerful than they should be by bending the rules. You seem to love doing that, hence my frequent... protests. I don't have much of a problem with what Drac does, and I'm thinking that Bard could totally utilize his team some more!
It's only your goodself I have a problem with. :3
And would you please stop telling me to cease balancing? AB specifically asked us to do so. And even if he didn't, I'll gladly stop! I don't enjoy these discussions. But as long as you fucking abuse the system, I'll call you out on your bullshit.
The tone of your post seems to imply defiance of some sort. I'm really not sure why. Are you personalizing this? Somehow assuming that I'm trying to give you orders? Cause you'd be wrong on both counts. I've given you my opinion on your proposed changes. Going "You're not the boss of me!" and *Smiles about Huge Power Swampert and Flower Gift Shaymin he'll present* just to show me how wrong I am and how I can't tell you what to do is an entirely misplaced show of defiance. I'm not trying to tell you what to do.
I'm trying to make this game fair, or at the very least, to help AB do so. By going against that, you're generating more work for both him and me. I've never asked this before, but I'm gonna ask it now: Take a step back. See all of this objectively, instead of subjectively. Think about it. Because howevermuch you confuse me with my character, I honestly think that I'm the objective, the moderate one here.
DanteFalcon
06-29-2010, 03:35 PM
I considered Kecleon but his is too easy to get screwed over with. Castform I can change easily enough and Porygon Z is by choice. But yeah Kecleon would be really really funny.
Astral Harmony
06-29-2010, 04:13 PM
Mornin' guys. I had little time in the mornin' (database error showed up anyways) and I have even less time now. Soon's I get offa work, I'll check all the questions and the one PM and get back to you.
I will say, though, that I think Charlotte should be allowed to have Arceus since Pierce laid claim to Diagla, gave Palkia to Sam, and is soon to gain Enmekki as well while Renny has Shaymin, Mollesk, and Latias so far as I remember.
Menarker
06-29-2010, 04:20 PM
I got no problem with Charlotte having Arceus. While Renny isn't likely to use Latias any time soon, I'm pretty darn happy with Shaymin and Mollesk.
EDIT: Also, Drac? I think Anti-cheater might be better off as a high stat monster. Since it can't be buffed, protected or such like that and can't attack for STAB, the only way it can make a meaningful contribution is by virtue of out-muscling the foe.
I mean, that "sniping" ability that allows you to penetrate the defenses of bosses sounds great on paper, but your one attack on the boss is unlikely to do damage significant enough to cause it to keel over or flee or such, especially if everyone else can't join in to help you out (Unless you have it so he can negate the buffs and protection of that target for short period of time, such as 3 attacks or a round). In the process, foes guarding the boss is sure to attempt to knock out Anti-cheater. While their buffs and such are without meaning in the light of the Indifference ability, it wouldn't help that much if Anti-cheater doesn't have the base stamina to withstand being ganged up on a bit.
Bard The 5th LW
06-29-2010, 04:46 PM
Arceus plz k thx bai!
I can probably find something kick something off the team to make room for God's Avatar on Earth.
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 05:38 PM
I will say, though, that I think Charlotte should be allowed to have Arceus since Pierce laid claim to Diagla, gave Palkia to Sam, and is soon to gain Enmekki as well while Renny has Shaymin, Mollesk, and Latias so far as I remember.
Sure, Bard can have Arceus. His team could use the firepower. I got no problem with it.
Also, I'll probably end up giving a Legendary or two to Elizabeth. Gotta fill up her eight slots somehow, and she only gets ten levels so what the hell, she's going to need the firepower too. And then there's my side-RP character! I still gotta pick a team for her. I'll probably only end up giving her one Legendary along with Anti-cheater.
Also AB, remember the ability Pressure? The one that's useless right now? I proposed a while back that it accelerate the decrease rate of enemy Morale and that it stack when there are several pokemon on the field with Pressure.
The only idea I got is having it start at x1.5 decrease and add .5 for every ally with Pressure. So it goes x1.5, x2, x2.5, x3, x3.5 and so on.
Of course, that's probably overpowered. I'm no good with these kinds of numbers. So I'll leave it to you or someone else to figure out.
EDIT: Also, Drac? I think Anti-cheater might be better off as a high stat monster. Since it can't be buffed, protected or such like that and can't attack for STAB, the only way it can make a meaningful contribution is by virtue of out-muscling the foe.
I mean, that "sniping" ability that allows you to penetrate the defenses of bosses sounds great on paper, but your one attack on the boss is unlikely to do damage significant enough to cause it to keel over or flee or such, especially if everyone else can't join in to help you out (Unless you have it so he can negate the buffs and protection of that target for short period of time, such as 3 attacks or a round). In the process, foes guarding the boss is sure to attempt to knock out Anti-cheater. While their buffs and such are without meaning in the light of the Indifference ability, it wouldn't help that much if Anti-cheater doesn't have the base stamina to withstand being ganged up on a bit.
I take bad every bad thing I've ever said about you. Anti-cheater now has awesome stats! Of course, not too high.
Say Menarker, which pokemon has the highest stats (not counting Legendaries or pseudo-legendaries)? Because I think whatever that number is will be Anti-cheat's base stat.
Also, Xth-level Tyranitar still needs a name! Come on, I'm taking Trainer level 5 for my next upgrade!
Menarker
06-29-2010, 05:49 PM
I take bad every bad thing I've ever said about you. Anti-cheater now has awesome stats! Of course, not too high.
Say Menarker, which pokemon has the highest stats (not counting Legendaries or pseudo-legendaries)? Because I think whatever that number is will be Anti-cheat's base stat.
Also, Xth-level Tyranitar still needs a name! Come on, I'm taking Trainer level 5 for my next upgrade!
You're welcome. Your gratitude is appreciated. ^^
Technically Slaking has the highest with 680 base stat points (Equal to Dialaga and such). However, that high power came with a drawback of his Truant Ability which forced him to only act once every two turns. If you wanted me to exclude Psuedo-legendaries and legendaries, the next most powerful is Arcanine (Charlotte) at 555 and then Togekiss (Renny) at 545.
Although, this can be somewhat misleading because many pokemons have points in stats that they don't use. For example, Garchomp has the stat of 600 (he's a true psuedo-legendary). However, if you don't use his special attack stat of 80 very much at all in favor of his higher attack stat, it'll be practical to say his used stats are closer to 520.
However, these pokemons, psuedos and legendaries are capable of using STAB and resistances and such, while yours wouldn't. Your pokemon would under the best situation be able to maintain a decent offense/defence when everyone else is floundering trying to keep up, while at its worst situation, he's only doing decently while everyone else is pounding or lasting longer for much higher.
Your pokemon would not have access to STAB or buffs, so I'd personally would vouch for something like 640ish or so.
Also, certain things may also influence its usefulness, such as move sets. For example, as you probably noticed, Arcanine has 10 more base stat points than Togekiss. Growlithe however is fairly common to capture, while Togekiss kinda rare. Why the mystery or rareness?
Well, Togekiss has a HUGE movepool, able to use techniques from 15 element types, 16 if you include Toxic. It also has the most amount of "never-miss moves" like Aura Sphere, Shock Wave, Swift, Aerial Ace, and Magical Leaf. And this is before taking in account its special attack is one of the highest out of all pokemons. Serene Grace helps a ton too.
Arcanine has a much more limited move pool in comparision, although still has a little bit of variety.
Also, if you use status moves that don't use buffs but maybe something that prevents attacks like paralysis or party support moves or things that causes set amount of damage like Super Fang or Seismic Toss, then STAB don't matter as much.
As for names, it's hard to think of more... Will Tyranitar change in appearance or behavior after the evolution? Tyranitar means Tyrant Lizard King after all. If he became more benign, then it would change quite a few things. You know, I need descriptions so I can come up with a way to search for certain theme words on Thesauruses and such. :3
Dracorion
06-29-2010, 07:33 PM
Well, Anti-cheater's moveset would be pretty varied. And by varied I mean perhaps even bigger than Mew's. Though probably not.
Also, just because it isn't affected by buffs doesn't mean it can't use moves that inflict debuffs on the enemy. Sure, those debuffs won't matter for it's own attacks, but we're supposed to be a team, remember?
Well, Tyranitar is getting character development (rather forced, since I didn't exactly plan to have it evolve this early), so it's personality will of course change slightly. It'll be less reckless and aggresive, perhaps. As for appearance, I'm thinking it'd look like Tyranitar: Bigger, Badder, Back With a Vengeance.
Astral Harmony
06-30-2010, 03:00 AM
Armored Bishoujo: "Alrighty, here we go."
Dracorian: "Can I have your babies?"
Armored Bishoujo: "Tell you what, Drac. Remember that weird guess you made about something in your sidequest? Let's just say I have an idea for a new character for the sequel. I'll let you connect the dots, and I hope you're satisfied with it."
*Dracorian talks about his new Pokemon idea*
Armored Bishoujo: "I can't think of Jeanette working with demonic DNA or whatever. Maybe a resident of the Netherworld that Pokeballs work on? At any rate, I wonder why you're so eager for this. Do you just not like regular Pokemon?"
*Dracorian talks about Signature Techniques*
Armored Bishoujo: "Here's what I'm gonna do, Drac. I'm going to have Shizuka join the Crusaders while Chizuru stays with PATCA. If you want, have Drac go with the Crusaders and then all three of his Love Techniques will be with Shizuka. Or keep him in PATCA and they'll work with Chizuru. Because Pierce leaves the group to investigate Sam for his sidequest, this won't be a problem for the sidequest. And we'll make it possible for you to participate in Charlotte's sidequest if you must do that as well. Tough decision? Tough shit. But you get three Love Techniques and only three Love Techniques, for one girl."
*Dracorian wants more SignTechs on demon upgrades*
Armored Bishoujo: "See below.
*Geminex unveils his ideas for his perfect Magatama*
Armored Bishoujo: "Idea accepted. You're gonna be a real bastard, y'know that? I think I should give you an ability that will allow you to just shift enemy attacks on someone you don't like. Anyways, just gimme some time and I should have something good cooked up."
*Dracorian apparently wants a Magatama that specializes in SignTechs*
Armored Bishoujo: "If you absolutely must, then I guess I'll bend to your will, Goshujin-sama (Master). Kind of a waste if you ask me. But no, you can't modify Aura Blade and Spell Ray. Almighty type damage is great. It ignores buffs and certain protection moves so even Mollesk doesn't have a foolproof defense to them."
*Geminex complains about free custom moves*
Armored Bishoujo: "These are specifically for Legendary Pokemon like Mollesk, Enmekki, and Revenard. Know how Legendary Pokemon have their own unique moves that no other Pokemon has? Well, there you go. It's only natural to assume that even homebrew Legendaries have one move that separates them from the common rank and file."
*Menarker mentions Dividing by Zero*
*Armored Bishoujo discreetly creates Dinner's most powerful Destroyer attack*
*Menarker talks about dual-classing*
Armored Bishoujo: "It's going to be the character and one Pokemon. Only Shock Troopers are allowed their prestigious three slots. As a Pokebrid or a Slayer, you generally are much tougher than any single Pokemon unless they've got you really off-guard, like you're low in health, paralyzed, with no Rage and no items. Then a Pokemon might be able to take down either of those classes by itself."
*Dracorian talks about a Trainer/Snagger dual class*
Armored Bishoujo: "You've basically hit on the biggest screwup in this system. It really doesn't benefit someone to dual class as a Trainer and Snagger. The upgrades obviously do not stack, so levels are wasted. All I can suggest are level skips over levels that provide redundant upgrades. If that's done well, a person could probably max out Breeder and Tuner in just 15 easy levels with a good number of levels to spare."
*Menarker talks about the Guardian Globe*
Armored Bishoujo: "More than likely, I think the Ruin armor's special protection will be rather unique. Like, it'll protect from certain cheap moves like Super Fang. I'll come up with a list, and I promise it won't be useless."
*Menarker talks about Overdrive type immunities*
Armored Bishoujo: "They're called Overblades, not Overdrives. Overdrives are what the powered armors do. Anyways, the higher immunity upgrade can be used to protect from the types in the lower upgrade. I'll apply that to the document eventually. And yes, the type immunities protect from every move of that type. Bitchin', no?"
*Menarker wants clarification on Overblade/Deva Rage generation*
Armored Bishoujo: "That's how it is, yes. Overblades and Devas will be generating Rage like they were roid raging. But unfortunately for them, there's some very asshole-level status effects that will keep them in their place. Apathy and Exhaustion, to be specific, will kick them where it really hurts."
*Menarker wants to know about Overdrives*
Armored Bishoujo: "I can't explain them very well. Yes, I know I created them, but there isn't much I can tell you about them. They're exactly like the Pokebrid's SyncTech, and every character is going to have custom Overdrives. Geminex is no exception. He'll basically be allowed to customized the attacks (weapons) and defenses (armor) that come with his RDPA as well as the Overdrive, which will function like a fourth SignTech."
*Menarker asks about the Rage accessory thingie*
Armored Bishoujo: "Damn, what's with all the questions!? I'll fuckin' kill y-" *downs an ice-cold Pepsi* "Where was I? Oh. Yeah, uhhh, I'll kinda need to maybe find that somewhere...that'll be a chore."
*Menarker wonders what Normal immunity grants as a special*
Armored Bishoujo: "It's not really such a big deal that Normal doesn't grant anything special. I mean, it's Normal. Aside from immunity to Ghost type moves, they really didn't stand out as being special. So the Normal immunity doesn't offer a special. Unbalanced? Maybe a little, I s'pose. Do I care? Ask me again after this bigass RP is over."
*Dracorian has a plan for Pressure*
Armored Bishoujo: "Hmmm...I think Pressure would apply better to causing certain things to not work as good. For example, attack the target with a Pokemon or Deva that has Pressure. If someone attempts to heal it or remove a debuff or status effect, it doesn't tend to work, or doesn't work as well. I feel like Pressure could be a great Ability that makes certain that the damage you deal to the target isn't so easily removed, just so long as you occasionally hit that target again to keep the pressure on it."
Is that all so far? Well, time to kick this party off.
EDIT: Aw, man. What an insanely time-consuming post. Guys, I need your help. When you do your tactics, can you also post your formation? It'll really help in knowing who is where and who my actual targets are.
Geminex
06-30-2010, 07:02 AM
Impact is covered in white, sticky stuff. Dracorion's dream come true.
Ok, what to do? I'm thinking we bring in some more enforcers. God, there's just so many of the enemy. And I'm guessing they're going to keep getting reinforced... Though hey, we're facing Grant now. Let us show him no mercy.
But anyway. Each of us should just... report on their status. How many pokemon have you go available for battle, how many items?
Impact has only himself... though he has a good selection of items left, I think. Two full restores and a rage rocket, does that sound right?
But how about you? Unless I'm mistaken, Pierce is down to Skarmory and Metagross on the 'usable' front. Menarker's already healing. Charlotte can't have more than one or two left either... Though is Spity is among her survivers, I'd encourage using him. Super Fang on a legendary = love.
But other than that, I think all our trainers should bring in their enforcer. Cause damn, you need a break. Unless any of you have a potentially useful sigtech?
Rachel is going to have her hands full healing and rage-rocketing people. Wilhelmina...
If we give her three rockets, she could go maid-to-mistress again. With one rocket, she could insta-kill an enemy. [COLOR="DarkOrange"]AB, can snipers rage-rocket themselves? Do they have items?[COLOR]. Moon can keep attacking as well, his water moves should be good vs. Sandslash, or does he have any sleep moves? Harliette should just go for full-out damage, with some sleep thrown in. Because I really think sleep on the enemy trainers is the way to go. At least those enemy trainers which we're not allowed to kill. If I wasn't worried that his pokemon would go rogue, I'd have Wilhelmina one-shot Grant.
As for PCs, I'm not sure what to do with us. Impact can continue damaging, as can any Slayers on our side of the field (Cecilia, and Milsha, if she gets switched in). Trainers, d'you have any status moves? Matt could use his sleep powder...
Eh, but I don't know. Suggest tactics for yourselves when you sum up I'm off to the pool with my family.
Astral Harmony
06-30-2010, 07:34 AM
No more reinforcements. The enemies you're fighting now are plenty. In fact, I'm a little scared I did too much all at once. Either way, no more enemies. You destroy these and you've put a boot in Burkmont's ass.
I'd put data on Grant, Lucian, Discord, and Crownlegs, but I'm on my last legs of awareness. I'll get it either tomorrow morning or in the afternoon which should help out this battle.
With Cerulean already in Zero Mode and dying by the turn, the general strategy on the enemy side is to overwhelm you right from the start, hoping to cause as many deaths in as few turns as possible and maybe even inflict morale problems. Which is why they lead with their Legendaries first.
Dracorion
06-30-2010, 07:39 AM
Dracorian: "Can I have your babies?"
Armored Bishoujo: "Tell you what, Drac. Remember that weird guess you made about something in your sidequest? Let's just say I have an idea for a new character for the sequel. I'll let you connect the dots, and I hope you're satisfied with it."
I am so beyond satisfied like you would not believe.
*Dracorian talks about his new Pokemon idea*
Armored Bishoujo: "I can't think of Jeanette working with demonic DNA or whatever. Maybe a resident of the Netherworld that Pokeballs work on? At any rate, I wonder why you're so eager for this. Do you just not like regular Pokemon?"
Well, it's not that I don't like regular pokemon. It's that you let us make up our own and that gets my imagination going. And then it can't be stopped.
I'm okay with it being a beastie from the Netherworld that pokeballs work on. Maybe it slipped in when the Kimonos weren't looking, or when Dinner made the crossing.
*Dracorian talks about Signature Techniques*
Armored Bishoujo: "Here's what I'm gonna do, Drac. I'm going to have Shizuka join the Crusaders while Chizuru stays with PATCA. If you want, have Drac go with the Crusaders and then all three of his Love Techniques will be with Shizuka. Or keep him in PATCA and they'll work with Chizuru. Because Pierce leaves the group to investigate Sam for his sidequest, this won't be a problem for the sidequest. And we'll make it possible for you to participate in Charlotte's sidequest if you must do that as well. Tough decision? Tough shit. But you get three Love Techniques and only three Love Techniques, for one girl."
You don't have to have Shizuka join the Crusaders. But hey, if you want to, fine. Pierce is staying with the Watchmen, and Sophie goes with the 'Saders.
You know, I was originally planning to have Sophie fall for Rayleen. But if Shizuka's joining...
*Dracorian apparently wants a Magatama that specializes in SignTechs*
Armored Bishoujo: "If you absolutely must, then I guess I'll bend to your will, Goshujin-sama (Master). Kind of a waste if you ask me. But no, you can't modify Aura Blade and Spell Ray. Almighty type damage is great. It ignores buffs and certain protection moves so even Mollesk doesn't have a foolproof defense to them."
Well, no, I don't want a Magatama that specializes in Signature Techniques. I wanted to get a regular Magatama (haven't decided what kind yet), and I wanted to be able to spend an upgrade on getting an extra SignTech.
*Dracorian has a plan for Pressure*
Armored Bishoujo: "Hmmm...I think Pressure would apply better to causing certain things to not work as good. For example, attack the target with a Pokemon or Deva that has Pressure. If someone attempts to heal it or remove a debuff or status effect, it doesn't tend to work, or doesn't work as well. I feel like Pressure could be a great Ability that makes certain that the damage you deal to the target isn't so easily removed, just so long as you occasionally hit that target again to keep the pressure on it."
That should work great, actually. Can we get an official description, though?
EDIT: Aw, man. What an insanely time-consuming post. Guys, I need your help. When you do your tactics, can you also post your formation? It'll really help in knowing who is where and who my actual targets are.
Yeah, I guess I kinda dropped the ball on this. I'll start putting our formation in all of my RP posts.
Ok, what to do? I'm thinking we bring in some more enforcers. God, there's just so many of the enemy. And I'm guessing they're going to keep getting reinforced... Though hey, we're facing Grant now. Let us show him no mercy.
But anyway. Each of us should just... report on their status. How many pokemon have you go available for battle, how many items?
Pierce has Kingdra, Aria and Blaziken down. Skarmory, Metagross and Tyranitar are still available, though Tyranitar is oiled up. As for items, he has two Full Restores.
But other than that, I think all our trainers should bring in their enforcer. Cause damn, you need a break. Unless any of you have a potentially useful sigtech?
Hellfire. Or Solidarity Counter (flinch six enemies? Fuck yeah!). If we get Rage from attacks that knock our pokemon out, then Pierce has 75 Rage. If not, then he has 65 Rage. Either way, he can use Solidarity Counter, no problem.
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]AB, can snipers rage-rocket themselves? Do they have items?[COLOR].
No, NPCs other than Medics don't have items. AB said so.
Eh, but I don't know. Suggest tactics for yourselves when you sum up I'm off to the pool with my family.
Well, at least we can now be sure that we won't clear out the field and be able to target Wildfire before Zero Mode ends, so we don't have to worry about her anymore.
I say we fire Lexhur's Laser. We could center it on Arceus, and it would hit Crownlegs twice and both Grant and Sandslash. Of course, there's the risk that it'll KO Grant, but he's a Battle Master. I'm pretty sure he can take the hit better than a pokemon can.
If you want to use Lexhur's Laser without hitting any trainers (Battle Master or otherwise), you could center it on Snorlax. It would KO Snorlax, damage the Poseidon Tank twice, and hit Palkia (I'm assuming the hit that would be meant for Flygon would simply miss because it's currently far far away).
Either way, Lexhur would still have 100 Rage left, but we may want to save that to build him up again.
Menarker
06-30-2010, 08:13 AM
*Geminex unveils his ideas for his perfect Magatama*
Armored Bishoujo: "Idea accepted. You're gonna be a real bastard, y'know that? I think I should give you an ability that will allow you to just shift enemy attacks on someone you don't like. Anyways, just gimme some time and I should have something good cooked up."
So Impact would gain an ability similar to my proposed Scapegoat custom move for Umbreon?
Also, Odd that Snorlax was the one that got feared since he would have skipped his turn in the first place due to Hyper Beam. Ah well.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind for this battle that Arceus is poison typed due to his ability and holding the Toxic Plate.
Dracorion
06-30-2010, 08:49 AM
They're all out to get you!
Odd? Or... convenient?
Anyway, here's the Magatama abilities I want for Pierce:
- Toughness. That is to say, increased defences. Because...
- The ability to take (or negate) all damage directed at one ally, at a Rage Point cost.
- Increased Rage Point generation or decreased Rage Point cost, pick your favorite.
- Stat boosts all around the board. And when Pierce is out on the field, a small stat boost to whichever pokemon is out with him.
Also, forget about my request to sacrifice an upgrade for a SignTech. That protect ability I just suggested was pretty much the SignTech I wanted.
Hmmm... Too much, or too little?
Menarker
06-30-2010, 08:57 AM
Hey, you're copying my entire protection/support thing I had going! I call shenanigans!
But seriously, don't expect that ability to be unique to you, since I was planning it for quite a while (Although having two members of the party with something like that is a good thing)
Also? This might be as a good a time as any to switch Charlotte for Shannon and use the Moon/Shannon Love tech for dark type flinching damage on 4 foes.
Dracorion
06-30-2010, 09:06 AM
Can you believe that it does not, in fact, have anything to do with you?
It'll make sense after Pierce's sidequest, I promise!
Besides, your Scapegoat crap is a move! It won't cost RPs. In fact, by the simple fact that it will cost RPs Pierce's ability should negate the damage.
Astral Harmony
06-30-2010, 03:05 PM
Mornin', you wacky wafers. Yes, that's right. I totally went there.
Last night while I was trying to go to sleep, I came up with the most ridiculous plot point I've thought up in a while. It feels like introducing it to the RP could be either full of win or an epic fail. I think I'll do it, regardless of the risks. Still, it probably won't occur until very, very late in the game, although I think one of you will find out about it much sooner. Much, much sooner.
I don't have much time this morning. Certainly not enough to do profiles on the bosses of this battle, but enough to say that I accept Dracorian's request and will get to work on both his and Geminex's demonic powers probably tonight. I've got the 8th volume of Family Guy, the 7th volume of Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and the Drawn Together movie. This doesn't happen often, but I think tonight's going to be one of those rare nights that I watch American cartoons for a change and not Japanese anime.
Bard The 5th LW
06-30-2010, 03:57 PM
Wait wait hold on a moment. What the fuck could that Sunflora do to down Sol-leks? As far as I recall, Sol-leks had not yet been hit. Sunflora only had grass type attack moves. Sol-leks resist grass type attacks, and Sunflora's stats are mostly shit.
What be up with that AB?
Dracorion
06-30-2010, 06:00 PM
Last night while I was trying to go to sleep, I came up with the most ridiculous plot point I've thought up in a while. It feels like introducing it to the RP could be either full of win or an epic fail. I think I'll do it, regardless of the risks. Still, it probably won't occur until very, very late in the game, although I think one of you will find out about it much sooner. Much, much sooner.
Oooh! Oooh! Me, pick me! PICK MEEEEEEEEE!!!
Astral Harmony
06-30-2010, 08:54 PM
Sorry, Bard. I fixed it now.
And I'll tell you what, Drac. Kill Impact and then yes, it'll be you.
Dracorion
06-30-2010, 09:06 PM
Say, is that you don't have anything to respond to in my post above near the start of the page there, or didn't you read it because it wasn't in orange?
There were a couple of relevant questions in there, I think. I'll pick 'em out and post 'em for you again in orange if you want.
Also, kill Impact? DONE. I already have the perfect excuse! Now I just gotta have Pierce find out that Impact's evil.
Say... does Aura Reading work on PCs?
Bard The 5th LW
06-30-2010, 10:26 PM
Sorry, Bard. I fixed it now.
And I'll tell you what, Drac. Kill Impact and then yes, it'll be you.
Alright, thanks. I wasn't really increduloud that he was KO'D, it was just the cause. I would have been OK if you just edited it so that Sandslash killed it. As long as it makes sense.
And yeah, that Arceus is looking pretty good about now. I'm thinking of kicking out Pike. Maybe Hammond, but it would take convincing.
Menarker
06-30-2010, 11:33 PM
Btw, just assume that Renny doesn't do much aside from healing Mollesk (Due to 2nd turn hiding behind an enforcer) and Cecilia doing whatever attack you guys think is best. After turn 3, Renny will have 100 rage (well, if Renny could overlap, he would have 120 rage.) Enough to revive 10 allies! A good way to buy time to deal with Wildfire!
Bard The 5th LW
06-30-2010, 11:40 PM
I'm very tempted to have Charlotte directly attack Lucian next turn, just to spite Rayleen.
Like, it is overwhelming. Seriously might just do it regardless of how many of you say I shouldn't.
Astral Harmony
07-01-2010, 12:32 AM
No, Aura Reader isn't going to work on PCs. And even if it did, it wouldn't really be all that useful, so don't feel disappointed.
My guess is that you want to see if the Aura Reader will reveal Impact as an evil character, right? No, it will not.
Aura Reader works pretty simple. Look at a person. That person will have a colored aura that reflects their opinion of you, the viewer. Here's the general rundown:
- Dark blue means that the person has no opinion of you. That person may have seen you, but doesn't know your name or anything else about you.
- Light blue shows familiarity, but still nothing in the way of an opinion. They just...know you. Maybe if you spent some time together?
- Dark green reflects favorable standing. That person considers you a friend and may be willing to lend you a few bucks or buy you a drink.
- With lighter greens, the friendship is stronger. That person is obviously going to buy you a birthday present, and they might even take a bullet for your great friendship. This is usually one of the steps towards love.
- Bright yellow reflects nervousness and fear. The person isn't entirely sure how to approach you if they need to speak to you. You've gotta break the ice. Girls like Calisto and Mirror will sport this aura for many characters.
- Dark yellow reflects suspicion. Impact is likely going to see a lot of dark yellow auras from various NPCs.
- Bright red is anger. That person just doesn't like you, and it may not even be your fault. Be careful how you approach them because...
- Dark red is open hostility. Get ready for some fisticuffs. Most of your enemies will display this aura coloration. But it's not always personal. Some of them wanna kill you because that's their job. Your demise is what they get paid to bring about.
- Pink is unique...hey, that kinda rhymes. Anyways, light pink is love. Now you can see if that person really means it when they say the big L word.
- Dark pink is lust. Forget the romance. Don't bother with fancy french dining. Who needs scented candles and dim lights? Just ditch the clothes and jump her bones. Usually, feelings of love and lust are given off at the same time, but not always.
- Bright orange is admiration. That person really looks up to you. Hell, they idolize you. If the person is the opposite gender (or gay) and you're around the same age, you may see pink interlaced with the orange. That's usually a match made in heaven.
- Dark orange is mind control. That person's mind is subdued by overwhelming psionics and his or her will has been bent to the will of the one who did it. This'll help Impact keep track of who he's got workin' for him, and who he doesn't.
You can kind of tell what something really is by whether it has an aura or not. For example, Wilhelmina is an android. She doesn't have an aura, but if you didn't know this, you would kinda be able to figure it out by seeing that she has no aura.
Demons, Demon Halfs, and Feral Demons (demonic monsters or "Fiends") can all conceal their auras, though Fiends usually don't bother hiding theirs because when you see them, they almost always have only one thing on their minds: the next meal.
Menarker
07-01-2010, 12:47 AM
Will NPCs have auras visible to read if they aren't interacting with others? Like if say for example, Impact was to sneak around the corner and see Hariette, who is by herself and having a bad day (and she doesn't notice him), will she have an overall aura resembling frustration or something?
Renny is likely green and tinge of bright orange for most. (And pink for Lola. ;3)
Astral Harmony
07-01-2010, 01:00 AM
I thought I made it simple enough. All you need to do to see an aura is look at that person. Even if they don't know you're there, they'll still exhibit an aura representing their opinion towards the viewer.
Evoliths also don't give off auras. Hint, hint.
You'll also occasionally see brown auras. That's more or less sheer insanity. Usually mixed with dark red (open hostility). Expect to see these on Asura Alphas and Betas. Their minds are gone to places where nobody can recover them and it's just in everyone's best interest that you put 'em down.
Menarker
07-01-2010, 01:39 AM
Ah, so it'll tell Pierce what Impact thinks of him, but it won't tell him what Impact thinks of Renny if Pierce was watching Impact talking to Renny (and Impact wasn't thinking of Pierce) or tell what the mood of the person themselves is like. A useful one trick pony then. It'll only tell that one thing, but do it pretty well. ^^
Geminex
07-01-2010, 01:44 AM
Impact is likely going to see a lot of dark yellow auras from various NPCs.
Why?
Now I just gotta have Pierce find out that Impact's evil.
How?
Seriously, people! Stop using OOC knowlege to screw over my character! Impact has displayed minimal signs of being a 'bad guy', and he's made up for whatever I did have him show by being a fucking hero and leading the team to victory time and time again! Or have you forgotten about that?
I mean, sure, mistrust him a bit, but at this point, Impact should be no less suspicious than Pierce, or one of the EEE!
Goddammit.
Astral Harmony
07-01-2010, 01:48 AM
Suspicion can also stem from being generally creepy, like having shifty eyes and occasionally pausing while you speak. It doesn't necessarily reflect that a person knows you're an evil prick.
Added Grant, Lucian, Discord, and Crownlegs to the RP post. Check the bottom of the post and learn about your enemy before you decide on a general strategy.
When engaging Pokeweapons, it's usually best to always focus on dealing ultra-effective (x4) damage or at least super-effective damage. With so much HP even after an application of Super Fang, an attack that would deal normal damage would be better used on another target. It also takes at least a few applications of a certain status effect for it to really work, as it goes with most bosses. Good luck!
EDIT: *thinking a bit* I think Pokebrid mating season will start during the Mission 3-Pierce's Sidequest intermission as well. Golly gee wiz, so many things happening!
Menarker
07-01-2010, 01:54 AM
Whoa, hold on there.
AB said that Impact is going to see the auras from the NPCs! He won't know what the PCs think of him, and likewise, anyone like Pierce who gets the aura reader and attempt to read Impact will fail.
Out of character info won't be able to come into play easily atm because none of the PCs have the ability to tell anything accurate about Impact aside from guessing based on his questionable personality or speech. And none of the NPCs are going to get Demon form apparently.
As for Drac wanting to expose Impact... Not much I can do about that. ^^;
EDIT: And god, I gotta get to work on trying to earn Lola's affection without anyone else trying to steal it!
Geminex
07-01-2010, 02:01 AM
Fine. As long as he can alleviate this suspicion by becoming all happy and friendly and not murderous at all nope why would you even think such a thing.
Edit:
Out of character info won't be able to come into play atm because none of the PCs have the ability to tell anything accurate about Impact aside from guessing.
Yeah. The problem is that I think Drac, in his suddenly renewed efforts to limit my control is going to utterly ignore this fact and, somehow, "Find out that Impact is evil" anyway.
Menarker
07-01-2010, 02:04 AM
Well, Renny is less on suspicion and more on friendship with general disagreement on Impact's particular personal philosophy and life code (or what Impact said about it)
How much time has passed since the start of the RP until when the mating period is going to start?
Geminex
07-01-2010, 02:05 AM
Fair enough.
Oh, and we totally still need to write up Impact's and Menarker's training session. I'll PM you.
DanteFalcon
07-01-2010, 02:24 AM
Hey to be fair Matthias is suspicious of Impact simply because of how vague he's been with neat little cover ups when confronted. Then again I'm not yelling out that I'm going out of my way to prove it.
Astral Harmony
07-01-2010, 03:06 AM
I suppose around seven months. Ignoring the seasonal changes up until now (it would've been pretty cold during Mission 1 and Mission 2 should have featured snowfall), it's around mid-Spring, early April. It's pretty warm and it's a great time to fall in love. And it's starting to get time where having Pokemon DNA tends to affect you in those bizarre ways...
Physically-sensitive people, like Aster, Whitney and Rachel, will start to feel it first. Then people like Lola and Muon will begin feeling urges within the next week. After that, insensitive people like Dormond and Heidi will have to tolerate it.
Matthias can decide when he starts to feel it himself, but every Pokebrid is going to be feeling the effects of mating season during the intermission.
To describe it is surprisingly simple. A warm feeling spreads throughout your body, but it's felt strongest in the...ahem...nether regions. There'll also be a small tingling sensation, like you sat in a strange way and it fell asleep from lack of blood flow. Needless to say, you'll feel strong lust for females, particularly Pokebrid females, and especially those that have the same Pokeshifts as you, which nobody does. You'll feel it worst for people near the same age as you. Pokeshifts of similar types and egg groups also spur on these urges.
You'll also have strange behaviors on occasion. Like maybe you'll approach a girl and do a mating dance without first thinking about it. Maybe you'll secrete a pheromone. Maybe you'll even fight. Weird shit happens.
Yet, despite how powerful these urges get, you can control yourself and even focus on battle like you need to.
If Matthias wants a girlfriend, this will be his easiest time to pick one up. Until it happens again next year.
Geminex
07-01-2010, 04:31 AM
I'm sure Drac will elaborate on this, but which "neat little cover-ups"? All he's ever done is call pokemon monsters (which, for gods sake, is accurate, it's their fucking name, they are monsters by definition), and he's justified that.
DanteFalcon
07-01-2010, 04:33 AM
Remember Mission 2 and his statement on political agenda? In Matt's eyes that wasn't him misunderstanding what Matt said that was "I don't wanna talk about it so I'm gonna try and mislead you."
Dracorion
07-01-2010, 06:17 AM
Oh for the love of... I swear, one of these days I'm going to punch you in the balls.
Anyway, I'm not going to have Pierce magically become aware that Impact is evil. My God, man!
Right now, Pierce is only suspicious of Impact for the reasons AB said everyone is suspicious of him (and those reasons don't make for a lot of suspicion) and a general dissagreement with his personal philosophy. That said, I need to re-read Impact's posts at the end of Mission 2, as well as him getting Latios, to see if I can't pick up anything else.
I have no idea how Pierce is going to find out yet. I just know I want him to.
Geminex
07-01-2010, 06:24 AM
Anyway, I'm not going to have Pierce magically become aware that Impact is evil. My God, man!
If it were anyone else but you, you deceitful, deal-breaking, "oh-wait-we-won't-split-up-sorry-gem-no-deal", I would not have reacted this way. But I would not put it past you to go waaaay OOC in your desire to screw Impact over. Besides, this isn't the first time you've done that sort of thing.
But anyway, I might be gone for up to four days. Haven't had time to think up a strategy, but killing the pokeweapon and damaging the tank, while disabling the battle masters and flinching the pokemon should work pretty well.
Dracorion
07-01-2010, 07:23 AM
EDIT: Also, something I forgot to add into my last post: Impact has been no more a hero than anyone else, and his general creepiness certainly offsets it by a THOUSAND.
Boy, you just can't let that go, can you?
What would the consequences of that deal-breaking have been? You would've been able to mind-control Pierce and Sam, and been able to go after Chizuru and Shizuka.
And I would've been able to go after Lola if I wanted (probably wouldn't have, getting Chizuru is going take most of Pierce's time), but as you pointed out, Menarker is decent enough that he wouldn't have broken the deal you had with him.
So, it seems to me like, if I had broken that deal, you would've been the one to benefit. I know that, and you know that.
So tell me, what the hell would've been the point of my doing that? I can understand that my claims that I was, in fact, just screwing with you wouldn't be believed. But now that I've laid it all out for you, surely you see that I was telling the truth?
We agreed that Pierce would not find out about Impact's evilness until after Mission 4. Now that the mission layout has changed, that agreement may need some revision, though I don't see that it should. Believe me, Pierce will not be finding out immediately after Mission 4, either. Whatever I come up with, it'll take a while and make some kinda sense.
Now for the love of God will you shut up about it?
Because every time you grind on about it, you're just daring me to screw it all to hell and go full-blown hyper-OOC and wreck Impact's shit with some bizzare impossible reason why Pierce would magically gain the knowledge that Impact is evil.
Keep in mind that Enmakki is a telepath. Reading minds is easy for the bastard, and it will in fact know everything about Impact. The only reason it wouldn't tell Pierce about Impact's evil is that it wants Impact to grow into a Big Bad for Pierce to defeat and further his ascent toward world domination. But you know, I'm pretty sure if I was inclined to do so (i.e: you keep testing my patience), I could remove that particular limitation.
As for the battle, y'know, THE BATTLE, Crownlegs is weak to Flying, Bug, Fire and Rock. Pierce could use Tyranitar and Blaziken for that, of course. But as long as Rain Dance is going on, Skarmory might be a better choice than Blaziken. As for the Battle Masters, the only one that doesn't have Poison resistance is Lucian, and none of them have Fire resistance. Our best bet would be to use Fire attacks on them, but again, Rain Dance.
We could have Matthias and Harliette put two of the Battle Masters to sleep (of course, it's not 100% certain it would work) and have Shannon and Moon keep switching between Sunny Day and Rain Dance so that we can have some protection from Wildfire's attacks at the end of every turn.
EDIT: And before you bring it up, yes, I'm the one who started this thing with my question about Aura Reading, but COME ON MAN. Isn't it clear by now that when I say stupid little things like that it's a joke? Admittedly, if it turned out that AB allowed Aura Reading to work on PCs, it certainly would've benefitted me. But it's certainly not detrimental that it doesn't, and it really was meant as a joke.
In fact, let me make it perfectly clear: whenever I say stupid little things like that it is a joke unless stated otherwise.
Menarker
07-01-2010, 11:51 AM
Battle Plan:
Question 1: Anyone switching out for their enforcers? Such as Charlotte switching with Shannon to buy some turns and use that AOE flinch ability. Or giving rage boosters to Aster so he can sync into his Lucario form and get 3 turns of invincibility like Cecilia has.
Question 2: Anyone using any signature techniques or unique special abilities? This would be an awesome time to use Pierce's 6 foe flinching ability while giving rage rockets to Moon and Shannon so they can use their flinching ability next turn.
Question 3: Is anyone not concerned that Kurika is still on fire? (or might set someone on fire or get permanently scarred or something?)
Personally, my gameplan would be to constantly flinch the pokemons, focus our fire power on the Pokeweapon and the tank and endure until Wildfire is dead.
Reason 1: Wildfire will die of her own suicidal violation. Nothing else will.
Reason 2: We can't target her anyhow until all foes are dead. Except for Wilhelmina, but I doubt she would be able to pump enough damage.
Reason 3: The Pokeweapon and the tank won't be replaced if it is defeated. Defeating the pokemons will get them replaced the same turn, thus the number of attacks won't change and defeating the trainers will cause the remaining pokemons to go rogue, compounding the problem.
Reason 4: Even if we focused all our power on the pokemons for each single trainer, they can only send out and thus lose 2 pokemons at turn. Thus even if we assume that we knocked out both of their pokemons in one round each turn, that's still 3 turns needed to defeat all their pokemons (2 turns to drain them of enough pokemons to safely attack the trainer without adding to the number of rogue pokemons)
Tactics:
Any chance we could use Lexhur's attacks to knock out Lucian, Grant and Discord out of the field for 2 turns? I know that's 300 rage there, but that'll stop them from replacing their pokemons, they can take the hit unlike the other trainer and thus pokemons won't go rogue, and that will be less attacks from them (and the fact that neither Discord or Grant can be flinched. Lucian can be flinched, so maybe we can keep it down to just Grant and Discord if we want to save Lexhur's Rage.)
The above tactic of switching between Pierce's AOE flinch and Moon/Shannon's AOE flinch/Dark damage.
Renny switching in later on and activating Serene Blessing and people paying to protect themselves. A turn's worth of protection.
EDIT: We could use Wilhelmina to OHKO the pokemons one by one if we could afford the rage rockets afterwards to ease the process.
Dracorion
07-01-2010, 12:09 PM
Kurika is currently in the rearguard, so presumably she can't do anything, even set others on fire.
Besides, she's tough, she can take it. She'll be put out automatically next turn.
As for Lexhur, well... not that I don't support getting the Battle Masters out of the way, but I'd prefer to have Blissey and Matthias put them to Sleep one at a time.
I mean, do you really want to pass up the opportunity to use Lexhur's Laser to one-hit KO Arceus, deal awesome damage to Grant and Sandlash and beat the living shit out of Crownlegs by hitting it twice? Goddamn twice? Plus, Lexhur would still have 100 Rage left so he could use Devil's Drift once anyway.
I say we have Charlotte use Super Fang on Crownbell this turn (we'll switch her out for Shannon next turn and use her Love Technique then). Then follow up with Lexhur's Laser. Then we pile attacks on Crownbell. Hopefully, the massive damage inflicted will take it down. I mean, I know it's a Pokeweapon and all but, y'know, MASSIVE damage.
We probably can't afford the Rage Rockets to have Wilhelmina snipe everything.
Also, I came up with the coolest name for Xth-level Tyranitar: Brobdingnagitar.
Seriously though, how does Garganitar sound? I'm thinking no as well.
I was just hit by the absolutely WORST idea ever. It'll probably be shot down. Hell, it's a two-parter, and even if by some miracle the first part doesn't get shot down, the second part definitely will.
AB, can we get Reshiram and Zekrom? (The Black and White Legendaries). Specifically, can I get Reshiram and Zekrom? I realize that there are already plenty of existing Legendaries to pick from, but Zekrom and Reshiram are two I can make into whatever I want.
Of course, only as long, and I must emphasize this, as no one else wants them. If someone doesn't want them now but decides they want them later on, I will give up all claim for them.
I can come up with Abilities and stats for them, no problem. If I do get them, Zekrom would go to Elizabeth and Reshiram to my side-RP character.
Now for the second part of my request: see, for character purposes, I thought about having Elizabeth trade Zekrom to Pierce. I realize that character purposes in no way offset the fact that I would be giving Pierce a third Legendary. A third. And this means that, well, yeah.
I don't think you, or any of the other PCs for that matter, will go for it, but goddamnit I just couldn't let this go without asking.
Anyway, I'm almost done with my Demonmon (tentative name: Tsujimi; feel free to suggest your own, the Indifference ability it has should suggest what it's personality is like). The only thing left is appearance. What the hell do Feral Demons look like, anyway?
Menarker
07-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Garganitar is ok. I had a weird idea of Zillatar or something like that (Godzilla).
Or better yet, this monster in the greek myth, Typhon!
Typhon, although also called Typhoeus, Typhaon or Typhos depending on where you read it, is the final son of Gaia, fathered by Tartarus, and is the most deadly monster of Greek mythology. Typhon attempts to destroy Zeus at the will of Gaia, because Zeus had imprisoned the Titans.
Typhon was described in pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheke, as one of the largest and most fearsome of all creatures. His human upper half reached as high as the stars. His hands reached east and west and had a hundred dragon heads on each. His bottom half was gigantic viper coils that could reach the top of his head when stretched out and made a hissing noise. His whole body was covered in wings, and fire flashed from his eyes.
Typhon is also the father of hot dangerous storm winds which issue forth from the stormy pit of Tartarus, according to Hesiod. Likewise, the rumblings of Typhon emitted from deepest Tartarus could be clearly heard within the underground torrent near Seleuceia, now in Turkey, until his presence was neutralized by the building of a Byzantine church nearby.
Typhon started destroying cities and hurling mountains in a fit of rage. All of the gods of Olympus fled to their home. Only Zeus stood firm, and the battle raged, ending when Zeus threw Mount Etna on top of Typhon, trapping him.
Trapped under a MOUNTAIN after a huge battle. It hurl MOUNTAINS for attacks. >_> Guess who eat mountains in your team. :3 According to greek myth, Zeus had to fight him twice, because the first time, the god was scared shitless and transformed into a doormouse to flee for his safety in one version, or Typhon overcame Zeus, cut the "sinews" from him and left him in the "leather sack" in another. And it possess the same storm wind (Sandstorm) that Tyranitar does. It makes perfect thematic sense.
So Typhostar or something like that.
I'm totally up for your plan on dealing with Crownbell, but I think Pierce should be using his AOE flinch to hit the pokemons that aren't going to be hit by the laser, to help keep our good hitters in decent shape and such. Heavy shitload of damage on Crownbell, but keeping a damn good deal of attackers off us with the cost of one attacker (you).
Anyhow, while I don't have any ideas what my plans for my side characters is going to be like, I personally don't have any interest in either of those two Black and White Legendaries.
But as for you getting a third legendary... I personally would only vouch for it if I got something really neat too and if everyone else accepted you getting it.
EDIT: Only thing about the name I suggested above is that there is one pokemon that has a slightly similar name theme, Typhlosion. However, it focused less on the myth of Typhon and more on what its name became after and the slightly volcanic nature of the greek myth (Since Volcanos are found in mountains). Its name is also similar to the word typhus, a Greek word meaning 'hazy' (which would describe the effect that the intense heat Typhlosion generates has on the air surrounding it), and may also be related to tephra, volcanic material.
Dracorion
07-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Read my edit in my post above. I'm open to name suggestions for Anti-cheater.
Well, feel free to come up with something neat for yourself.
As for my plan, yeah, I thought Pierce using his Love Technique was a given. Can Pierce use the action that would be his Trainer Attack to use the Love Tech and still attack with his two pokemon?
Also, Garganitar? Really?
And no to Typhositar, unless you can come up with some variation that actually sounds good. Typhonitar? Typhaenitar? Maybe try another language?
Not that I don't like Typhon. Any beastie that can make a huge bag of dicks like Zeus shit in his pants is A-okay in my book.
If we can't make it a name, perhaps I can come up with another use for it. I make a new ability for Garganitar, named after Typhon, that'll probably be the same as the one it has now except slightly stronger (can't make a new ability without making it different, after all, and up is the only logical way we can go).
Menarker
07-01-2010, 02:48 PM
Typhoranitar?
By the way, did you ever find a good name for Elizabeth, or you sticking with the one you thought was close, Elizabeth Vanir?
I got quite a bit to deal with for intermission. Training with Impact, chatting up characters especially Lola during the mating season, perhaps that wine thing with Pierce and Chizuru and thinking of side character and dealing with upgrades and such. Renny has little to do with Matthias or Charlotte though, which admitably helps.
Just out of curiousity, I have been thinking of what sort of abilities or tricks you guys think should be present in one of our SignTechs/LoveTech/SyncTech/Overdrives. You know for the sake of variety, so we don't just have a bunch of attacks or defenses. I know we got quite a few attack ones (Several including Pierce's Co-Op), protection (Serene Blessing), buffers (Dark Ambition), extra attackers through enforcers (CCC), and even an item use one (Prosperous Gifts). Some thoughts such as malpulating number of turns itself was included (For Dialga). Any other thoughts of useful tricks like a debuff version of Spikes (every time a trainer sends out a new pokemon or something moves into that slot, it gets that debuff), formation alteration in midcombat to maximize AOE attacks? I'm saving one or two for myself, but a few neat ideas to add to the ones I just added might be neat in case anyone wants to build a move based on that.
Hell, that would be a neat combination... Litter the field with moves like Stealth Rock, Toxic Spike, Debuff spikes, and use AOE enemy formation rearrangement. Rearrange foes as you like and the foes trigger their respective spike/trap. Foes that replace them, either through switching or defeated foes get hurt/weaker. ^^
Dracorion
07-01-2010, 03:08 PM
What, nothing to say about Tsujimi?
Anyway, I know that Pierce's final Signature Technique will involve him getting six attacks a turn for three turns. Also, a small chance of confusion for a reason I'm not going to reveal yet.
Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Overpowered, right? But by the time it becomes available we'll be at level 12. That's endgame.
Elizabeth has a Co-Op Tech that involves flinching and damaging three enemies, as well as dropping their Attack and Special Attack by two stages. If I have my way, she'll have another one that's even sluttier than Bundles of Joy and inflicts infatuation and better damage.
And herr third, I haven't decided yet but who knows? It may even be something that doesn't involve whoring her out.
As for Sophie, I have no idea. Maybe something sciency? And I'm keeping Sam's techs a secret.
Menarker
07-01-2010, 03:21 PM
I don't have much to say about a creature whom I have no idea on the theme aside from indifference and demon appearance. So I got no ideas on name.
That "6 attacks for 3 turn" technique makes my final technique Valiant Rush look absolutely tame by comparision and mine had a huge drawback of only being useble once every 3 turns and only works well when everyone else is pretty much KOed. I'm pretty sure something like your above technique wouldn't get accepted as it is. Otherwise, I would like to add a thing here or there, like Renny being able to ignore his status conditions when using it and even being able to use it once when KOed at the cost of all his rage. (Heroic action despite any and all injuries and weakness). I call dibs/credit/copyright on that heroic action when KOed thing!
I mean, in order for Renny to equal that many attacks, Renny would have to get 360 rage... Thus.
A: Have 100 rage
B: All his pokemons knocked out for 60 rage deduction.
C: 10 allies in the red/knocked out for 200 rage deduction. That means all 4 of the other PCs, all their enforcers, Renny's enforcer and one of the other characters like the medic, sniper, engineer or Shock Trooper have to be in that sorry state.
It's not likely at all. Plus, Renny wouldn't get STAB or anything like that due to his attacks being Almighty typed.
And what I meant as for techniques were ideas on the various mechanics we could take advantage of. Buffs, Debuffs, turns, hitpoint percentage (Super Fang, Curse by Ghost pokemons), Formation, Spikes-like moves for when a foe enters or leaves, trapping, mimicery, improved use of items, element type, defense, attacks, rage generation/cost, morale, status effect, multipliers like weather and helping hand... that sort of thing.
Dracorion
07-01-2010, 05:57 PM
Well, I'll try to give Sophie some debuff or status or Spike-like techs, and see if I can't give Sam a status-inflicting Co-Op.
Indifference and Demon appearance is really all there is to Tsujimi. So go nuts.
As for Elizabeth's final tech, I think it'll be a Morale booster. And it'll definitely be sexy.
As for my idea for Pierce's tech, fine. We'll discuss it later. Level 12 is a long ways away. By the way, the way I imagined it Pierce would've been forced to stick to one element for the duration. And is it really that far-fetched? I mean, right now Wilhelmina's Maid to Mistress lasts three turns, gives her +5 to all stats and two attacks per turn. When she goes Overblade, she would presumably get four attacks per turn when she uses Maid to Mistress. Is four attacks a turn with +5 stats and all the elements available to Wilhelmina really that different from six attacks per turn with a forced element?
Wow, I went on a typing spree and somehow finalized Tsujimi, Zekrom, Reshiram (which, by the way, I technically don't really want, but it doesn't make sense to introduce Zekrom without Reshiram so maybe you could give it to someone else, like a NPC, AB?), Garganitar (kinda sounds like you're choking on something, no?) and Raikajin (Aria's Xth-level form, what do you think of the name?).
Next up, Sophie!
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to answer your question before. Elizabeth's last name is Elizabeth Irons.
EDIT EDIT: And Sophie's done. I'm quite pleased with her, actually. The only thing left, as always, is goddamn names. They be the Bane of Dracorion, the slithery bastards. Anyway, what do you call a suit that acts as every piece of Slayer armor combined and a belt with pouches that hold Slayer weapons like pokeballs?
Astral Harmony
07-01-2010, 11:10 PM
Pokemon from Black and White will not be allowed for the duration of this RP. In the sequel, the game, and more importantly, the official guide should be out for easy reference, so if they indeed are out by that time, then Pokemon from Black and White will be available for the sequel. It'll keep things fresh, y'know?
Feral Demons are as varied as Pokemon themselves. From the voracious and territorial Flailhounds to the slimy and accurate Mirespawn to the all-powerful and destructive Luguros to the hideous and yet alluring Weeping Madonnas, Feral Demons fight using their own unique skills and will need to be defeated using a whole new set of rules which will make them a unique challenge.
But since time spent in the netherworld will be mercifully short, there won't be much need to remember them.
Yes, you can use your stupid Love Tech at the cost of your Trainer attack. Not like your Trainer attack will do much against the opponents you're facing now.
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 05:09 AM
Balls. But fair enough.
Well, let's see, I could... nah, that would be a shamelessly identical replacement. Maybe another type combination? That's going to be tough, it needs to be able to use Electric attacks.
Hmmm...
Also, did you just give me permission to make Tsujimi into an invincible rule-breaking bastard?
EDIT: Oh man wow, I think Tsujimi may be my favorite 'mon ever. Jesus Christ, what have I done?
Anyway, let's talk strategy:
Rachel: Full Restore on Impact, Max Revive on Pierce's Blaziken.
Moon: Fathom and Starmie to use Hydro Pump on Sandslash.
Pierce: Call out Tyranitar and Blaziken. Tyranistorm takes effect.
Aster: Lucario form, switch in for Matthias, Sunny Day. Tyranistorm is dispelled.
Charlotte: Spitz to use Super Fang on Crownlegs, Sol-Leks to use Overheat on Poseidon Tank.
Impact: Flamethrower on Crownlegs.
Lexhur: FIRE HIS LASER. Centered on Arceus.
Pierce: Tyranitar with Stone Edge, Blaziken with Overheat on Crownlegs. Signature Sequence "Solidarity Counter" with Chizuru. On Sunflora, Discord, Dialga, Crownlegs and Grant (Arceus was knocked out by Lexhur Laser). I know Grant and Discord have Flinch immunity, but Solidarity Guard should still work because the effect technically isn't flinch, right?
Cecilia: Bo Strike on Poseidon Tank.
Harliette: Mineral Shot on Crownlegs (if it's dead, Charge Shot on Poseidon Tank), Illumise to use Helping Hand on Harliette, Blissey to use Sing on Lucian.
Wilhelmina: Buckshot Blast on Crownlegs (if it's dead, Buckshot Blast on Poseidon Tank).
[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Aster] [Spitz] [Sol-Leks] [Bastiodon] [Illumise] [Harliette] [Blissey] [Cecilia] [Blaziken] [Tyranitar] [Starmie] [Fathom] [Impact] [Barrier Amplifier]
Yeah, I elected to save up Lexhur's Rage in case we need it later. Sue me.
Menarker
07-02-2010, 09:19 AM
What is Solidarity Guard doing, if it is not actually flinching?
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 09:23 AM
Erm, right, my bad. What I meant was Solidarity Counter.
Solidarity Guard is Chizuru's Signature Technique.
What Solidarity Counter does is pretty much the same as Solidarity Guard, except indiscriminately. See, the enemies do attack, but they do no damage. As opposed to flinching, where they definitely don't attack.
Menarker
07-02-2010, 09:28 AM
Isn't that basically saying that your foes have 0% accuracy on all their moves for the turn? Or something like Protect? Because AB might cause you trouble one way or another with moves that never miss like Aura Sphere or with moves that bypass defense one way or another.
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 09:33 AM
Remember when Chizuru used Solidarity Guard back at the mansion? AB didn't actually say what kind of attacks the enemies used.
So Solidarity Guard would work by taunting the enemies and forcing them to waste an action on some unspecified nameless attack.
Astral Harmony
07-02-2010, 02:32 PM
That's how it is. But it won't always work, usually if the enemy is, as Dracorian likes to put it, cheaters.
For example, he definitely would not have gotten the favorable results he desired if he tried that shit on Pokegeddon. The results of using certain techniques on certain foes tend to vary. All I can say is, choose who you evade and counter carefully and don't get too greedy.
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Fucking cheaters, man!
But now that that's settled, what do you think about the rest of my plan, Menarker? I considered having Aster use Zen Aura, but I'd rather use that next turn where he can utilize the 100% critical hit bonus to it's fullest extent.
Anyway, I've finished Adamantitar (got a better name? throw it at me), Sophie and Tsujimi (who will probably need to be depowered). And what do you know? The time to introduce them is just after this mission. Sooooooooo...
(AB, if you don't want to deal with this now and want me to post it later, I understand. It's a big read, and I'm an impatient, ungrateful asshole.)
Name: Sophia Vernier
Alias: Prodigy
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Class: Battle Master (Slayer level 2, Trainer level 3; yes, I realize that we're only up to level 4 yet, but by the time Rayleen's sidequest rolls along we'll be at level 5)
Pokémon Registry:
Almighty Tsujimi (Genderless)
Ability: Indifference
Demon Rampage/Feral Beast
Lucifer Rising/Mist Ball
Crush Claw/Draco Meteor
Psychic/Flying Lugia (Genderless)
Ability: Pressure
Psychic/Aeroblast
Roost/Earthquake
Dragon Rush/Thunder
Bug/Fighting Heracross (Male)
Ability: Guts
Megahorn/Close Combat
Brick Break/Bulk Up
Ghost Mismagius (Female)
Ability: Levitate
Psywave/Toxic
Shadow Ball/Calm Mind
Dark/Ice Weavile (Female)
Ability: Pressure
Night Slash/Poison Jab
Thief/Ice Punch
Appearance: Sophie is a small purple-haired girl. She wears a cute pair of glasses over her blue eyes. She wears an unflattering combination of a yellow turtleneck that's a size too big and long brown skirt. Underneath, she hides a rockin' body complete with supple breasts. Under her clothes, she wears the Vernier Armor, which technically looks just like a completely black shorty wetsuit and adjusts perfectly to her curves, though it's texture is that of a proper battle suit; the Vernier Utility Belt and on her left arm the Governor, a bracer with a screen interface with which she controls both the suit and the belt.
Backstory: Sophia is your regular genius Pokemon Researcher. Not particularly impressive, they're a dime a dozen in the Pokemon world, right? Regardless, Sophie was good enough to land herself a job in Ricewood Masterworks, and soon enough was leading her own projects. Among which were the Vernier Armor, a handy item that combines every piece of Slayer armor in one place, then the Vernier Utility Belt, a belt with pouches that incorporate pokeball technology, allowing Slayers to "capture" Slayer weapons and release them when needed, and the Governor, the wrist interface that controls both pieces of equipment. She also works closely with Jeanette Ricewood herself on several projects.
Her current assigment is research into the capabilities of a previously undiscovered pokemon. As it has no mouth and has shown no other ways of communication, no one is quite sure what it's name is. In lab testing, this pokemon proved not to be weak to any of the known elemental types, even after using Gravity to rule out a Ghost/Dark type. In fact, it doesn't seem to have any specific type. Currently, Sophie is testing it out in the field in real missions. When Rayleen split up from PATCA and formed the Crosswald Crusaders to investigate Burkmont, Jeanette volunteered Sophia to assist them.
Personality: Sophie is your classic high school geek, except she's smokin' hot (to be fair, point me at an ungly anime person and I'll show you hateful lies). As a result of a rather sheltered upbringing, Sophie suffers from crippling social awkwardness. She gets extremely nervous talking to people in any situation outside the lab. In fact, that's the only time she seems confident. In spite of this, she has a brilliant analytical mind and an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. Whenever she comes across something new, a fire lights up in her eyes and she launches into a rant on figuring out the how and why.
She is an avid fan of anime, manga and hentai, and owns a rather large collection of all three.
Signature Technique: Test Amoeba ~ 70/100 RP, Sophie throws a test tube on the ground around four enemies. The amoeba occupies the space of four spots in the enemy formation. Enemies in those positions are Bound and take Badly Poisoned damage and cannot be switched out until the amoeba is destroyed. Enemies that switch into those spots will become trapped. The amoeba can only be destroyed by two Fire-type attacks.
Sophie's Magatama
- A skill to use two attacks for one turn (note: attacks, not actions; use an item? no; use a Signature Technique? no; normal attack? yes) at a RP cost.
- Enhanced observational skills: first level, determine the strengths (weapon capabilties, possible attacks) and possible weak points of an opponent. Second level, read body language and determine an opponent's next move (NOT precognition, that doesn't fit with Sophie). Both for an RP cost.
- Stat boosts.
- Chemical knowledge: Sophie carries around a case full of chemicals. In the field, she can mix and match to treat status afflictions to an extent. The effect of all physical status effects (except for Freeze, for obvious reasons) is halved. Physical status effects that take two actions to cure can be healed in one action.
Name: Tsujimi
Type: Almighty
Ability: Indifference
Stats
HP: 85
Attack: 75
Defense: 75
Special Attack: 75
Special Defense: 75
Speed: 75
Total: 460
Species: Feral Demon
Appearance: Height: 4'5"; Weight: 115.4 lbs
Tsujimi has a humanoid body that is entirely white. It has a long head with a point at the end. It's eyes have red irises and it has no mouth or nose. It's torso, arms and legs are long and slender, and it has simple feet with no toes. It has five-fingered hands tipped with razor-sharp claws, and a long tail. Simple, yes, but deadly.
Personality: Tsujimi's name was actually given to it long ago by someone else, and they became known as such throughout the Netherworld. Tsujimis are semi-rare denizens of the Netherworld. They are notoriously hard to kill, due to the fact that they have absolutely no weak points, they emit an aura that enables them to penetrate any defense, and their unerring aim. They are also known for their shapeshifting capabilities. Due to the fact that they don't care much for anyone else, even others of their own species, they often wander alone. Tsujimis require no substenance and they do not tire. A Tsujimi does not bother to hide their Aura, and it will always display as a dark blue. A Tsujimi's only motivation is becoming stronger by fighting anyone it encounters. Nevertheless, they are smart, and know to run away when they are outmatched, usually to pursue their opponent for a while and strike them unawares. A lone traveler meeting a Tsujimi is the proud new owner of a death sentence.
Sophie encountered a Tsujimi that had wandered into the Umbral world and, thinking it was simply a previously undiscovered pokemon, had a long and grueling battle and finally captured it. She is currently unaware that it is a Fiend, although the implications of Fiends from the Netherworld being susceptible to pokeballs are definitely interesting...
HMs: Cut, Strength, Rock Smash, Rock Climb
Indifference (Ability)
This pokemon recieves no STAB bonus for any attacks. Enemy attacks do not recieve a STAB modifier when targetting this pokemon. This pokemon is not affected by buffs, debuffs or protective moves (Protect, Barrier, Light Screen, Renny's Serene Blessing). All attacks used by this pokemon deal 1x damage, regardless of typing, and ignore enemy buffs, debuffs or protective moves. This includes bosses. If a boss has an impenetrable shield, this pokemon can attack through it. If a boss can dodge any attack, this pokemon can hit them anyway.
Demon Rampage (Almighty type, Physical, makes contact, 100 power, 70% accuracy, one target)
Tsujimi tears into an unlucky foe with it's claws. 50% Internal Bleeding, 50% Flinch.
Feral Beast (Almighty type, Status, 100% accuracy, Self)
Tsujimi transforms into Feral Beast form and will remain in that form until the battle ends or until it is knocked out. Once per battle.
Lucifer Rising (Almighty type, Status, 100% accuracy, Self)
Tsujimi transforms Lucifer and will remain in that form until the battle ends or until it is knocked out. Once per battle.
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Name: Tsujimi (Feral Beast)
Type: Almighty
Ability: Indifference
Stats
HP: 60
Attack: 105
Defense: 55
Special Attack: 90
Special Defense: 50
Speed: 100
Total: 460
Species: Feral Demon
Appearance: Height: 6'9"; Weight: 527.34 lbs
Tsujimi's Feral Beast form resembles a large white-furred wolf. It's eyes are completely red and it's fangs and claws are capable of cleaving a man in half.
Carnivore (Feral Beast only, Almighty type, Physical, makes contact, 90 power, 100% accuracy, one target)
Tsujimi takes a bite off of an enemy. 50% of the damage restored as health.
Intangibility (Feral Beast only, Almighty type, Status, 100% accuracy, one target)
Tsujimi becomes immune to all direct damage for three turns. Once per battle.
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Name: Tsujimi (Lucifer)
Type: Almighty
Ability: Indifference
Stats
HP: 70
Attack: 50
Defense: 85
Special Attack: 100
Special Defense: 95
Speed: 60
Total: 460
Species: Feral Demon
Appearance: Height: 6'0"; Weight: 175.2 lbs
Lucifer is, well... he's Lucifer. A black-haired, long-haired, blue-eyed angel dressed in white and wielding a big flaming sword, irradiating a holy aura. Those that see Lucifer are suddenly stricken by the urge to fall to their knees, beg for his mercy and serve him forever.
Celestial Grace (Lucifer only, Almighty type, Status, 100% accuracy, three targets)
Lucifer bathes three allies in holy light, removing all debuffs and status afflictions and healing them for 25% of their max HP. Accuracy drops by 50% after every use.
Hellking (Lucifer only, Almighty type, Special, 80 Power, 70% accuracy, two targets)
Lucifer transforms into it's true form: a gruesome scythe-wielding demon wrapped in darkness and flame that strikes fear into the hearts of everyone the battlefield. Lucifer swings the scythe and sends a powerful demonic shockwave at two adjancent enemies. 100% chance to inflict Fear. Warning: may cause incontinence.
NOTES: Tsujimi must always have the moves Demon Rampage, Feral Beast and Lucifer Rising in it's moveset. When Tsujimi transforms, Feral Beast and Lucifer Rampage are replaced by the signature moves available to that form.
Name: Adamantitar
Ability: Typhon
Type: Rock/Dark
Stats
HP: 110
Attack: 145
Defense: 130
Special Attack: 95
Special Defense: 100
Speed: 60
Total: 640
Appearance: Height: 7'05"; Weight: 534.4 lbs
Tyranitar, bigger and badder. Aside from the increase in size, Adamantitar's hide becomes a darker shade of green and absorbs sand to grown tougher, becoming seemingly indestructible. It's tail grows longer and the spikes at the tip, as well as the ones running down it's back, sharpen. The three claws on it's hands and feet sharpen as well. The rhombus on it's chest turns from blue to dark red. The triangular holes on it's chest, knees and back are joined by two on each of it's arms.
Personality: Adamantitars in general would for the most part stay secluded. They will fight if challenged, and are unstoppable if enraged. One would usually gather it's own pack of Tyranitars, Pupitars and Larvitars to rule. They are quite protective of their herd.
Of course, that would be their behavior if Adamantitar were widespread. Since Pierce's Adamantitar is the first in history, that doesn't actually happen. Pierce's Adamantitar is actually quite docile, as long as it's not enraged. Adamantitar has become far less reckless since it's Tyranitar days, actually stopping to consider a situation before charging in. It is now downright friendly, even to people that aren't Pierce.
HMs: Same as Tyranitar's.
Typhon (Ability)
Adamantitar is bad motherfucker that eats mountains for breakfast and routinely makes Thunder Gods shit in their pants. Typhon functions exactly like Sand Stream, with the added bonus that Adamantistorm also causes Rock-type pokemon's Defense to increase by 50%.
Okay, wow. I have far too much free time on my hands. Which is saying something, considering most of my day is packed.
Maybe I should pick up a hobby or something.
Bard The 5th LW
07-02-2010, 06:07 PM
Tsujimi sort of confuses me, is it a pokemon or what? And I assume Sophie is your character for the side RP?
If so, here are some concepts I've been kicking around.
Spiritomb Pokebrid
Alias: Legion/ Gerasenes
Xatu Pokebrid
Alias: Nirvana
Heatran Pokebrid
Alias: Bob
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Tsujimi is a Fiend from the Netherworld who was somehow caught by a pokeball. How, I'm not sure. It was AB's idea, blame him. But yes, Tsujimi would function like a pokemon. Albeit, a heavily broken one. As for it's two other forms, well, multi-form pokemon aren't exactly new.
And yes, Sophie is my character for the side-RP.
Actually, a question arises. I was originally under the impression that Pierce's sidequest and Rayleen's sidequest would be taking place at the same time. But reading over AB's mission rundown again, it says that Jeanette will be joining the Crusaders in Rayleen sidequest, which would be slightly impossible if it took place at the same time as Pierce's. So am I given to understand that we'll be running Pierce's sidequest first, then Rayleen's sidequest?
Because if so, then I guess I didn't really need to post Sophie and Tsujimi yet.
Menarker
07-02-2010, 09:18 PM
Personally, I'd change a few things around with the plan. Not very much, but still...
1: Illumise should be earlier in the plan, targetting one of the fire pokemons using a fire attack on Crownlegs instead of Hariette. (Sol-lek or Blaziken). Preferably whichever is using the move with higher attack power and respective attack stat. Multipliers on top of multipliers go much higher than putting it on something without a multiplier.
2: Switch Tyranitar and Sol-lek's attacks, so Sol-lek is hitting Crownlegs with his enhanced fire attack (Sunny Day, STAB, Helping Hand) and Tyranitar is hitting the tank. Fits in character as well as Charlotte would probably be seeking to make Crownlegs one of her trophies as opposed to a tank, which doesn't feel pain and isn't that unique either.
Otherwise, I'm good with it, although it does leave Sunny Day open, meaning that Wildfire is going to be knocking quite a few of us out, especially since she's on her last turn of that 5 stat boost bonus.
Guess I should make my character a snagger then. I'll think of stuff in a bit. Although Drac took one of the ones I was considering, Weavile. Ah well. No biggie.
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 09:49 PM
Um.
1.) Harliette's Mineral Shot is Rock. That still does 2x damage to Crownlegs, and because it's a Slayer attack it's bound to do more damage than a pokemon attack, so with Helping Hand it'd do even more damage.
2.) Yes, but Charlotte already gets to have Spitz use Super Fang on Crownlegs. That should be enough. Plus, Stone Edge would be super effective on Crownlegs and not on the tank, whereas Sol-Leks Fire Blast would be super-effect on the tank I think.
Also, Wildfire seems to only be getting one action now that she's in the rearguard, actually. I think we can take her. We could have Moon use Rain Dance again at the end of this turn, of course, but then we have a lot of pokemon that don't like rain and their morale would go down. And our MIV is already at 54%.
EDIT: No, no, you need to do a Slayer, Menarker! I mean, a pure Slayer-going-Overblade. Sophia's going to go the Demon route, so she won't be able to go Overblade, and Bard is making a Pokebrid.
If you make a Snagger, then Geminex would have to go Slayer again.
Though I suppose you could make a Slayer/Snagger, and not get a Magatama.
Menarker
07-02-2010, 09:56 PM
Why do I have to be the one that doesn't get a demon form with either character? >_< (Still trying to think of which character to be. Snagger was just an afterthought.)
Also, I wonder why we keep forgetting to consider Spitz's Intimidate ability for the last few missions. Frankly, every time we send out that Mightyena, some foes should be losing attack stats.
EDIT: And I'm fine with the plan then. I'll skip on making a post because my character isn't doing anything. Except maybe attending to Mollesk since it's his second turn behind Cecilia, and thus both of Renny's Leader pokemons should be getting healed now.
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 10:11 PM
Well, it's because we can't stop Bard and I posted my character idea first.
Leaving you and Geminex.
And Dante, I guess.
Bard The 5th LW
07-02-2010, 11:08 PM
I am surely chaotic neutral. Unstoppable.
And yeah, Charlotte is going through a similar scenario to what happened at Mission 1, if a bit more justified. Charlotte's words may sound like she just wants to hurt them, but in truth, she wants nothing more than to kill at least one of those two mercenaries before they run away/join our party.
Dracorion
07-02-2010, 11:16 PM
You know, I had forgotten about Charlotte's Trainer Attack. I edited it in.
Charlotte now takes a shot at Crownlegs. That ought to cheer her up some.
Astral Harmony
07-03-2010, 04:33 AM
Rayleen's sidequest will indeed occur after Pierce's sidequest. That's the only way Jeanette will be able to be in both.
So, you'll do Pierce's sidequest as the Watchmen characters, then do Rayleen's sidequest with your Crusader characters. Then we all meet at the beach for wacky hijinks! Idn't that great?!
I'm accepting everything you've put down for Tsujimi (Though it looks a lot like my concept for Ein the Normal Ruin General. He just looks like a pure white, near-featureless human male, like someone made a statue out of table salt.) and everything else from Sophia to Adamantitar.
The only problem? Mewtwo. Currently, the one holding onto Mewtwo is a young 10-year old Perfect Asura named Mio Kazetsubaki, who serves as Faynoc's ultimate bodyguard. And unlike Lucian and Discord, she gets to keep Mewtwo. But feel free to give Sophie one of the ones you'll get rewarded with after you take down Faynoc. The bastard has Mew, Darkrai, Cresselia, and Lugia.
1: How often can the RDPA can be used? Can it be recharged and reused like other Slayer Accessories?
2: Overdrive seems to imply that it has to be an offensive move since it comes from the armor. Am I right about that or is the degree of freedom to making a move roughly the same?
3: Does the Overdrive require a set amount of rage like a Sync technique does or does it vary based on the technique? The RDPA was described to be much like a Pokeshift but without the rage, so I'm just wondering if the Overdrive is like a Sync Tech in cost too or if it doesn't even need a cost like the armor doesn't need a cost to activate.
4: Can the same pokesync or sync tech be used repeatably (assuming enough rage) if my character only has 2 levels of pokebrid (level 1 and 3)?
I'm not certain why Menarkerino confined these questions to a PM, but whatevs.
1. Due to the experimental reactors in Rapid Deployable Powered Armors, they can only be used once per battle, and then have to sit on the sidelines while the reactors normalize. Use them wisely to keep you out of overwhelming trouble, as they are perfect and will be crucial for turning tables. RPDAs, as well as Paradigm Shifts, will actually also have the benefit of granting immunity to Fear. I'll take care of updates tomorrow with the RP post and resubmit.
2. An Overdrive can be defensive or supportive in nature as well.
3. Because Overdrives can only be used once like the RDPA itself, it requires no Rage to use. It also doesn't take up your turn. But remember that use of the RDPA shuts down Rage generation from standard combat practices (hitting the enemy and being hit back).
4. SyncTechs cost Rage now so they can be used multiple times, even in the same Paradigm Shift. Just remember that you generate no Rage from standard combat practices during a Paradigm Shift.
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Anywho, I'll have the RP post done tomorrow. I just got several games, particularly Deathsmiles. I don't have a lolita fetish, but I do find great enjoyment in seeing adorable little girls kicking ass. Girls in the RP like Moera, Mika, the aforementioned Mio, and Regina are proof of this absurd bit of my personality.
Dracorion
07-03-2010, 08:29 AM
I'm accepting everything you've put down for Tsujimi (Though it looks a lot like my concept for Ein the Normal Ruin General. He just looks like a pure white, near-featureless human male, like someone made a statue out of table salt.) and everything else from Sophia to Adamantitar.
That's because im all up in ur base, stealin ur conceptz
The only problem? Mewtwo. Currently, the one holding onto Mewtwo is a young 10-year old Perfect Asura named Mio Kazetsubaki, who serves as Faynoc's ultimate bodyguard. And unlike Lucian and Discord, she gets to keep Mewtwo. But feel free to give Sophie one of the ones you'll get rewarded with after you take down Faynoc. The bastard has Mew, Darkrai, Cresselia, and Lugia.
Fair enough. Sophie now has Lugia. Man, who does that Mio bitch think she is, stealing my Mewtwo?
I'm pretty sure I had called dibs on Mewtwo like forever ago.
Bard The 5th LW
07-03-2010, 11:37 AM
Drac, you be gettin' 'nuff Legendaries already. Just lay off foo'.
Besides, I find it very important that Faynoc has Mewtwo.
Dracorion
07-03-2010, 12:05 PM
You can never have enough Legendaries.
Bard The 5th LW
07-03-2010, 12:16 PM
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/SWKWJVRmHmI/default.jpg
You make the non-ubers sad Drac. Very sad.
Challenge by choice yo. yes I'm aware I'll be getting Arceus
Dracorion
07-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Gah!
Those big, sad brown eyes! I can't. Look. AWAY.
...
Anyway, it's not like Sophie's team is full of ubers. There's Tsujimi, Lugia and Rotom as soon as she gets another level in Trainer. But she still has Heracross. And her other two 'mons only go as high as second-stage!
As for Pierce, well, he's something else. But I will say that if I have my way Aria will be leaving his team to be replaced by Yanmega's Bug/Dragon evolution, for the win.
I dunno about Elizabeth getting any Legendaries. We seem to have run out of good ones, haven't we? Maybe Mew. Celebi's nice and all, but Christ, weaknesses. I suppose I could make up a new one, but I really really don't want to do that again, at least for a while.
Actually, I think I'll give her a shiny Groudon. Later, though.
Menarker
07-03-2010, 06:30 PM
AB: Just a little reminder for when you write the next post that Intimidate ability of Charlotte's Mightyena should trigger in this round, reducing the attack of some of the foes.
Edit: Hehe. Found something interesting in Bulbapedia. Apparently, if there was for some reason a pokemon with all 17 types. (17 type pokemon! Sounds like a overblown Pokemon Version of Captain Planet!), the only weakness that pokemon would have would be against Rock types.
Astral Harmony
07-03-2010, 07:12 PM
Regina has Celebi (she claims total dominance of the cute ones). Jeanette has Groudon, to my knowledge.
All of the Legendaries are called for. Most of the Legendaries you guys get are gained over the dead bodies of a good deal of your opponents, but some will stay forever with the more powerful NPCs.
Let's see which ones're available...Mew, Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Cresselia, Darkrai, and Arceus. Those are the ones that are definitely available.
I may have some of the NPCs turn over theirs to you, but only if it's a surety that they won't be available from then on and it'd just be a waste for them to keep 'em to themselves.
Menarker
07-03-2010, 07:59 PM
Regina has Celebi (she claims total dominance of the cute ones).
Well, Regina sure didn't get Shaymin. ^^ (or at least I doubt that)
Anyhow, skipping on posting, since Renny isn't doing all that much and Cecilia isn't doing much more than attacking and being evasive. Turn 2 of Renny recovering from battle.
EDIT: AB, what I meant with the 4th question that I asked you, was whether someone could do the Paradigm Shift for the same form multiple times in the same battle provided they had the rage, or if they could only use it once in the same manner as the Overdrive only being usable once. (Although knowing that someone can use the Sync Tech ability multiple times in the same Shift is good to know too.)
Dracorion
07-03-2010, 09:05 PM
Regina has Celebi (she claims total dominance of the cute ones).
She doesn't have Mew.
Jeanette has Groudon, to my knowledge.
Are you telling me there are Trainer Destroyers? How does that work?
Let's see which ones're available...Mew, Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Cresselia, Darkrai, and Arceus. Those are the ones that are definitely available.
It's like you want me to make up a Legendary for Elizabeth. You realize any made-up Legendary Elizabeth would have would be some kinda whore water nymphet or something? Okay, probably not water, since I'd try to break away from the norm, but it'd probably be a whore nymphet or some kinda type that lends itself to a whore nymphet.
I can't give her Mew. That little bastard's too innocent for Elizabeth. I mean, can you imagine what she'd do to it? Mew would never be the same again.
Cresselia blows, and I'm not giving Elizabeth Darkrai.
Which means my last option is... whore nymphet Legendary.
Menarker
07-03-2010, 09:09 PM
Or you could give her a very highly modified version of Ditto, like an evolved one or something. Transform into anything she wants. Even use it as a decoy version of it so she can show off her body... without showing off her body. And it could be used in many... breeding experiments...
Transform / Mimic
Sketch / Mirror Move
Yeah, the above is pretty much useless for actual combat, but you get the idea thematically.
Just... remember not to look it up on Google Images with filters off. I'm sure you know from first hand experience, that it is not safe for anyone's eyes. *Stocks up on Brain Bleach*
Alternatively, you could give Aria to her. Yes, Aria doesn't think of herself as one, but her body and her way of throwing herself at Pierce... yeah. Plus, you said that Pierce is thinking of a way to get rid of her, right?
BTW, Gem, I'm just curious as to Impact never thought of transfering Latios to someone else after that conversation he was cornered in by Charlotte. Like Renny for instance. Impact could have easily pleaded generousity, empathy and good nature by reuniting the siblings together and that sort of thing since Latias is living in Renny's household and not being forced to battle and all that. (No, I'm not trying to take it from you, but if you don't want it, it'd make a good in character reason).
Of course, if Impact was using it for target practice or doing something harmful/depraved, he's better pray that Latias or any other telepathic pokemon (like Shaymin) never gets near him (or that Renny hears about it).
Bard The 5th LW
07-03-2010, 09:15 PM
Or you could give her a very highly modified version of Ditto, like an evolved one or something. Transform into anything she wants. Even use it as a decoy version of it so she can show off her body... without showing off her body. And it could be used in many... breeding experiments...
Transform / Mimic
Sketch / Mirror Move
Yeah, the above is pretty much useless for actual combat, but you get the idea thematically.
Just... remember not to look it up on Google Images with filters off. I'm sure you know from first hand experience, that it is not safe for anyone's eyes. *Stocks up on Brain Bleach*
Well, filters are off. Now to put it into the search bar.
Menarker
07-03-2010, 09:18 PM
Alas... Poor Bard... His curiosity was his undoing... We hardly knew ye.
Astral Harmony
07-03-2010, 09:32 PM
After seeing James with fake titties, I think we're all mentally strengthened for the rest of our lives.
Yes, you can Paradigm Shift in the same form multiple times. I figured that was obvious when Impact wanted Matthias to do it twice in this battle.
Dracorion
07-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Or you could give her a very highly modified version of Ditto, like an evolved one or something. Transform into anything she wants. Even use it as a decoy version of it so she can show off her body... without showing off her body. And it could be used in many... breeding experiments...
Transform / Mimic
Sketch / Mirror Move
Yeah, the above is pretty much useless for actual combat, but you get the idea thematically.
Sure, it's a nice idea, but like you said, useless for actual combat. I could, of course, give Elizabeth a Ditto pet, but she already has Riolu.
Still, maybe I can come up with a battle-worthy version of evolved Ditto.
Alternatively, you could give Aria to her. Yes, Aria doesn't think of herself as one, but her body and her way of throwing herself at Pierce... yeah. Plus, you said that Pierce is thinking of a way to get rid of her, right?
Oh goddamnit you son of a bitch.
That... that was the plan all along! Goddamnit fuck man I wanted to keep that secret!
See, it started when I was thinking of a way to hook Aria up with someone. I couldn't very well leave her alone because it'd be extremely depressing if she was left pining after Pierce well after he's married with Chizuru.
And then I remembered Elizabeth. And, well... if you think Aria is a whore nymphet now, you should see her Xth-stage evolution. Which will in no small part be due to Liz's influence.
After seeing James with fake titties, I think we're all mentally strengthened for the rest of our lives.
You'd think so.
But there a horrors, oh yes, there are horrors out there. The kind that leave even the strongest men beaten and broken.
The kind that take the thin veil of protection you call sanity and twist it into a... a thing. A thing of evil.
I want my mommy.
Bard The 5th LW
07-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Alas... Poor Bard... His curiosity was his undoing... We hardly knew ye.
I actually sort of stroked off and forgot what I was doing. I may search it up if my attention span allows.
Menarker
07-03-2010, 10:53 PM
Oh goddamnit you son of a bitch.
That... that was the plan all along! Goddamnit fuck man I wanted to keep that secret!
See, it started when I was thinking of a way to hook Aria up with someone. I couldn't very well leave her alone because it'd be extremely depressing if she was left pining after Pierce well after he's married with Chizuru.
^^; Sorry dude. You already know that I seek out secrets and spoilers with a certain degree of clarity. I accurately observed that Rayleen was part of the Eevee Enthuasists. I spoiled the presence of Cerulean Wildfire before we encountered her on the battle field. Granted, the hints weren't that obscure, but I am quick to put them together and vocalize it. You just gave one or two too many vague hints, that's all.
And I call dibs on Renny/Lola getting married first. Then Chizuru sees the sight, starts pining for marriage and is more open to the thought from Pierce (assuming he didn't screw up along the way). Renny is the "emotional" or "love freak" guy of the crew after all. The alternative is for Lola to see Chizuru's wedding and start making hard/impossible demands from Renny to ensure that her wedding tops Chizuru in every possible fashion, using her rival as a measuring stick. ^^;
Dracorion
07-03-2010, 10:56 PM
That's silly.
Chizuru and Pierce are getting married first simply because they don't have to wait two years before they can even start dating.
Bard The 5th LW
07-03-2010, 10:57 PM
Good for you two! Now Gem has even more effectiv hostages when Impact is the villain in the sequel.
Charlotte has no love interest that is possible to pursue. No one would want to pursue Charlotte unless they were equally sadistic. I don't think Impact or Matt ever even had the thought enter their minds.
Menarker
07-03-2010, 10:59 PM
<_< Well, Shotacon possibilities aside, there is no surety that Chizuru will enter the marriage stage ASAP. AB did list Chizuru as one of the Kimonos who is NOT all eager to jump bones and all that. She has it as a dream goal yes, but she's trying to take it REAL SLOW.
EDIT: As for hostages, Chizuru is a Kimono, and we all know how powerful they are. And Lola would be a high level Deva by then, with Teleport as one of her moves.
Bard The 5th LW
07-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Who said he was gonna take Chizuru and Lola hostage? I was talking about Renny and Pierce!
Dracorion
07-03-2010, 11:22 PM
<_< Well, Shotacon possibilities aside, there is no surety that Chizuru will enter the marriage stage ASAP. AB did list Chizuru as one of the Kimonos who is NOT all eager to jump bones and all that. She has it as a dream goal yes, but she's trying to take it REAL SLOW.
What, and you think Lola would be any quicker to jump to the marriage stage?
... Okay, she might. But do you think Renny would?
Fact is: both would take about as long to get married, and Pierce has a head start.
Menarker
07-03-2010, 11:44 PM
>_> He's the closest to a love freak in PATCA in a manner slightly similar to Chizuru. (Although he's developing on that in different ways.) Yes, he doesn't have marriage on his mind yet, but he's definately taken with admiration on several different levels.
Bard The 5th LW
07-04-2010, 12:21 AM
Alright guys, I'm going to sort of disappear from the 4th to the 10th working as a counselor at a Summer Camp. I'll be able to follow along, but posting will be restricted. If I can't get anything up, feel free to dictate Charlotte's actions.
However, there is one thing I want to keep a constant. If Rayleen doesn't give Charlotte an answer besides 'Just Because' next turn, then Charlotte will have Sol-leks/Buck (depends on Sol-leks' current state) use fire blast on Lucian.
Dracorion
07-04-2010, 09:06 AM
What's that Bard? You want us to have Charlotte declare her undying love for Shannon?
Sure thing, you got it!
Bard The 5th LW
07-04-2010, 09:22 AM
You see, some other people may be bothered by that, but I'm not because I know you wouldn't really do it.
Nothing is there to stop Charlotte from attaining meta-knowledge. I have made no deals with anyone.
Dracorion
07-04-2010, 09:39 AM
Oh wow. It's like you don't know me at all.
I am most definitely not above throwing in a line in my next plan that goes like "Charlotte declares her love for Shannon, has Buck do X."
Also, threats don't really work on me. I usually take them as a challenge.
Bard The 5th LW
07-04-2010, 09:45 AM
Whatevs, I always have the power of retcon.
Oh yeah also, I'm still going to be online enough to follow the RP. If push comes to shove, I can just hop on long enough to make a skeleton post where I place Charlotte's actions.
Dracorion
07-04-2010, 09:49 AM
Sure, go ahead.
Bard The 5th LW
07-04-2010, 10:12 AM
Well, see ya fuckers.
Menarker
07-04-2010, 10:22 AM
Hope it goes well.
Drac, you think your character Elizabeth the "Whore Nymph" might one day encounter Kiyomi, the "Lesbian Kimono"? I imagine that would be a very interesting encounter... =P
Dracorion
07-04-2010, 10:23 AM
The lesbian Kimonos are both Rio and Kiyomi, technically. And Rio would have more in common with Lizzie.
Menarker
07-04-2010, 10:29 AM
I felt Rio was the hedonist one (bi), who would no problem shagging anyone including guys if her BBF Kiyomi didn't get the slightest bit offended. When your entire crew is girls, and no guys, and you want physical pleasure, you don't piss off the only other one willing to be a lesbian or bi. ^^; Kiyomi is jealously possessive of Rio though, so that limits her options.
Dracorion
07-04-2010, 10:37 AM
Well, if I'm remembering the bios AB posted of the Kimonos way back when correctly, then Rio is in love with Kiyomi. The impression I got is that while Rio may flirt around, push comes to shove the only one she shacks up with is Kiyomi.
Geminex
07-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Whee! Internet access!
Let’s take this from the top…
Page 8:
In regards to Drac’s rant…
Unless you would have made no protest at all against Impact’s mind control of Pierce, I don’t think I would’ve benefited. And even if you would’ve been perfectly willing to turn Pierce into a mere puppet to Impact’s will, I don’t want to use mind control against PCs. It’s supposed to be something to facilitate Impact’s large-scale power grab, not give me dominance over the team. I can get that in other ways.
And don’t threaten me, it doesn’t suit you. Even if Enmakki could get into Impact’s mind (since most of the real ‘evil’ won’t manifest until he goes half-demon, I actually really doubt that), and even if Pierce were gullible enough to believe the evil nightmare demon who specifically exists to hurt him, what could he do? Long-term covert resistance? I hardly think he’d be effective. But the only alternative would be to attack Impact directly. And tell me, when a normally sane individual starts attacking his teammates at the behest of an evil nightmare demon, what would you call that individual? Because the term that springs to mind is “possessed”. And that, in turn, would give Impact a perfect excuse to hold him down while Charlotte exorcises him. With her shotgun.
And our deal was that Pierce stops supporting Impact (not necessarily because he realizes he’s evil, that’s up to you) once Impact gets promoted to the degree, that the lack of Pierce’s support doesn’t harm him too much. When that happens is up to AB, if it’s by mission 4, fine. It’d be acceptable, but fuck it man. I made quite a lot of concessions, here, and I wanted support, not indifference or even impotent hostility. I’m pissed at myself because I let you weasel out of it, and at you, because you pretty much made me, since I had no way of enforcing it.
So don’t tell me to stop straining your patience.
As for your 6-attack sigtech, why are you assuming that our sigtechs get stronger as we increase in level? They’re already increasing in strength because our characters are getting more stats and higher rage generation. Why should we be getting more bang for our buck (or, rather, rage points) at later levels? Unless it costs an ungodly amount of rage, I’d oppose that technique quite hard.
Unless I’m wrong, and AB wants us to have incredibly powerful sigtechs later?
Also, what the fuck. Why the fuck to trainers get to use their trainer attacks action to use techniques in? They have two actions already! Impact just has one, and he still has to use his single action to use techniques in. Either give Slayers more actions, or give Trainers less. Or both. Yeah, both.
Also, claiming at least one legendary for my Snagger. Mew, probably, and one other custom. Don’t anyone dare protest.
Page 9:
Ok, who’s Sophie? The side-character? Fair enough. Sorta weird that you’d already start on her Magatama, but ok. Except for this:
- Enhanced observational skills: first level, determine the strengths (weapon capabilties, possible attacks) and possible weak points of an opponent. Second level, read body language and determine an opponent's next move (NOT precognition, that doesn't fit with Sophie). Both for an RP cost.
This is sorta what I’d envisioned for Impact, and I’m pretty sure what I wrote is quite similar to this. Not that I mind too much, we’ll be in different teams after all, they won’t collide in terms of function.
And Tsujimi, with those stats? Absolutely not. 400 base stats at most, and fuck those custom attacks. It’s supposed to be an anti-cheater, not a cheater itself. I don’t care what AB says, that is fucking excessive. I mean goddammit, you have the nerve to get pissed at Mollesk, when you create that kind of abomination? No, and fuck that noise in every stinking, leaking orifice. Not unless Charlotte, Matt and Impact get some sort of massive boost am I going to be allright with that kind of power in any other characters’ hands. I didn’t include Renny, cause he can take care of himself.
Your plan is allright, though I came up with something more fun. It involved murdering Grant. But oh well, what you’ve done is sufficient.
Though if you'd be willing to wait, I could offer you one hell of a fun turn, on our side. Gimme two days, and with my next post, Grant is dead, his pokemon are dead, and the enemy is demoralized as hell.
Imma stop with the pages…
I’m not sure what Impact has been doing with Latios, probably training in Control. It probably got hurt quite a bit. All in good fun, of course. Impact's fun, but who cares?
Teleport as one of her moves.
Ok, y’know what? From now on, all hostages are gonna get an anti-teleport collar. It’s equipped with GPS and a very lethal explosive charge, if the system detects that they’ve moved more than 20 yards within a tenth of a second, they have no head. Thank you for exposing one of my weaknesses while you were in no postition to take advantage of it. Anything else that I've missed?
Also, threats don't really work on me. I usually take them as a challenge.
hahahaha oh wow
Did I forget anything? I don't think so. Like I said, I'll be back in two days at the latest. Try not to post too much in that time. See ya, Bard.
Dracorion
07-04-2010, 05:08 PM
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In regards to Drac’s rant…
Unless you would have made no protest at all against Impact’s mind control of Pierce, I don’t think I would’ve benefited. And even if you would’ve been perfectly willing to turn Pierce into a mere puppet to Impact’s will, I don’t want to use mind control against PCs. It’s supposed to be something to facilitate Impact’s large-scale power grab, not give me dominance over the team. I can get that in other ways.
Yes, because Impact's mind control is going to be complete and utter. Cool.
And don’t threaten me, it doesn’t suit you. Even if Enmakki could get into Impact’s mind (since most of the real ‘evil’ won’t manifest until he goes half-demon, I actually really doubt that), and even if Pierce were gullible enough to believe the evil nightmare demon who specifically exists to hurt him, what could he do? Long-term covert resistance? I hardly think he’d be effective. But the only alternative would be to attack Impact directly. And tell me, when a normally sane individual starts attacking his teammates at the behest of an evil nightmare demon, what would you call that individual? Because the term that springs to mind is “possessed”. And that, in turn, would give Impact a perfect excuse to hold him down while Charlotte exorcises him. With her shotgun.
Enmakki doesn't actually want to hurt Pierce. Admittedly, Pierce has trouble believing anything Enmakki says, but for the most part it has to be true because if Pierce sets out to prove it and finds out it was a lie then, hell, Enmakki won't ever get Pierce's trust.
The whole point is to have Pierce achieve wold domination. To do that, Enmakki needs Pierce to trust it. Pierce knows that.
Even if Impact's "evil" won't manifest until he goes half-demon (which sounds rather convenient; the guy has to have at least had ideas, some small inclination by now), Enmakki would still know everything about Impact until he goes Demon. Then it'd be up to Pierce to connect the dots between that and Impact's actions after going demonic.
Sure, Impact could pretend to be all nice and good. Except he's not that good an actor and you're not that good a roleplayer.
Pierce's reaction to finding out Impact's evil (though I think it'll just be Pierce finding out that Impact can't be trusted, which is something else entirely), would be somewhere between the two you mentioned: long-term covert resistance and direct confrontation. Somewhere between the two.
As for threatening you: maybe I'm branching out to other fields.
And our deal was that Pierce stops supporting Impact (not necessarily because he realizes he’s evil, that’s up to you) once Impact gets promoted to the degree, that the lack of Pierce’s support doesn’t harm him too much. When that happens is up to AB, if it’s by mission 4, fine. It’d be acceptable, but fuck it man. I made quite a lot of concessions, here, and I wanted support, not indifference or even impotent hostility. I’m pissed at myself because I let you weasel out of it, and at you, because you pretty much made me, since I had no way of enforcing it.
So don’t tell me to stop straining your patience.
No, no. Our deal was that Pierce would be allowed to stop supporting Impact once Impact's leadership is established. Which would be after Mission 4, unless you want to come up with a reasonable argument for why it shouldn't.
Not that Pierce would suddenly decide to dislike Impact after Mission 4. I've got some ideas, but it won't happen right away and goddamnit why do you keep making me repeat that?
That said, I realize I probably have weaseled out of it a bit. In my defense, Impact can't expect Pierce to like him when he specifically does things repeatedly that Pierce doesn't agree with. Still, you're right.
Pierce will properly support Impact, openly, if not overtly. And certainly not fanatically. He might say a mean thing every now and then, and get pissed, but he won't go with his own ideas unless Impact is unable to perform his duties.
That said, remember to delegate.
As for your 6-attack sigtech, why are you assuming that our sigtechs get stronger as we increase in level? They’re already increasing in strength because our characters are getting more stats and higher rage generation. Why should we be getting more bang for our buck (or, rather, rage points) at later levels? Unless it costs an ungodly amount of rage, I’d oppose that technique quite hard.
Unless I’m wrong, and AB wants us to have incredibly powerful sigtechs later?
No, AB probably won't let us have incredibly powerful SignTechs later. What I'm referring to is crap like Overblades having immunity to two types, immunity to two status effects, awesome fucking stat boosts, two attacks per turn and awesome rage generation.
Yes, I realize you probably won't be going Overblade, but someone will, even if it's just a NPC.
The other classes get comparable bonuses. Breeders get Xth-level pokemon and Ability Shifts; Devas get to eliminate type weaknesses, stat boosts, longer Paradigm Shifting and more forms. Tuners get awesome Snagballs and eight pokemon.
Specifically in regards to my six-attack tech idea, I proposed Wilhelmina's Maid to Mistress as an example. When she goes Overblade, she'll presumably get four attacks per turn and +5 to all stats for three turns when she uses Maid to Mistress.
Is that really so much different from six attacks per turn for three turns?
Also, what the fuck. Why the fuck to trainers get to use their trainer attacks action to use techniques in? They have two actions already! Impact just has one, and he still has to use his single action to use techniques in. Either give Slayers more actions, or give Trainers less. Or both. Yeah, both.
Well I'm sorry my penis is bigger than yours, I truly am because then you wouldn't bitch this much, but Christ man. Yes, Impact gets one action but it's a hell of an action. There's a reason Impact is a priority target that enemies like to Bind or set on fire, and you conviniently keep forgetting that.
Also, claiming at least one legendary for my Snagger. Mew, probably, and one other custom. Don’t anyone dare protest.
OH WOW GEE IM TOTALLY PROTESTING IM THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE UP HIS OWN SHIT STFU BITCH SCREW YOU
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Ok, who’s Sophie? The side-character? Fair enough. Sorta weird that you’d already start on her Magatama, but ok. Except for this:
This is sorta what I’d envisioned for Impact, and I’m pretty sure what I wrote is quite similar to this. Not that I mind too much, we’ll be in different teams after all, they won’t collide in terms of function.
Well she'll be getting half-demon as soon as our main-RP characters, so why not?
As for that skill, I honestly forgot that Impact had one just like it. In my defense, it was thirteen pages ago. If you don't like it, I'm sure I can change it.
And Tsujimi, with those stats? Absolutely not. 400 base stats at most, and fuck those custom attacks. It’s supposed to be an anti-cheater, not a cheater itself. I don’t care what AB says, that is fucking excessive. I mean goddammit, you have the nerve to get pissed at Mollesk, when you create that kind of abomination? No, and fuck that noise in every stinking, leaking orifice. Not unless Charlotte, Matt and Impact get some sort of massive boost am I going to be allright with that kind of power in any other characters’ hands. I didn’t include Renny, cause he can take care of himself.
There's the penis envy again.
Say we did leave Tsujimi at 400 stats and no custom moves. Then it'd be entirely useless. In my defense, I did say it would probably need to be depowered.
I'll drop Tsujimi to 460 stats. The custom moves and forms will stay. Then it'll be awesome, but still as defeatable as any other pokemon.
Your plan is allright, though I came up with something more fun. It involved murdering Grant. But oh well, what you’ve done is sufficient.
Though if you'd be willing to wait, I could offer you one hell of a fun turn, on our side. Gimme two days, and with my next post, Grant is dead, his pokemon are dead, and the enemy is demoralized as hell.
You want to concentrate fire on Grant? Either that, or somehow make it so he dies but his pokemon don't go rogue.
Still, I think we should go with my plan this turn, and you can do yours next turn.
Ok, y’know what? From now on, all hostages are gonna get an anti-teleport collar. It’s equipped with GPS and a very lethal explosive charge, if the system detects that they’ve moved more than 20 yards within a tenth of a second, they have no head. Thank you for exposing one of my weaknesses while you were in no postition to take advantage of it. Anything else that I've missed?
Hostages that can shrink, change shape in some way, become intangible...
hahahaha oh wow
I said usually. That said, you know how my memory is. I can't remember shit. Care to quote some examples of whatever it is you're referring to?
DanteFalcon
07-04-2010, 09:33 PM
Ok this isn't really that relevant but while I had some free time today I played Heart Gold. And upon using Mystery Gift the game was like
"Ah screw it. Have Jirachi".
Yeah. I'm a happy panda.
Dracorion
07-04-2010, 09:37 PM
Well, ain't you a lucky sonnuvabitch?
DanteFalcon
07-04-2010, 09:44 PM
Damn right I am!
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Hey AB is Jirachi accounted for and/or is his DNA available?
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