Pokemon Umbral Discussion 33 again: Hijacked!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Because the last one was just being dumb!

And here is a picture I have had lying around for a while. Not quite as 'interesting' as the ones from AB but it'll do.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/042/3/c/3c39fd66110be660c831ec0e93f73b14.jpg

And I guess if Gem asked for it...

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/183/0/2/mmff_by_lolsteff.png

NOW BICKER AWAY!

[Geminex]

Wow. What is it with all the Slashfic I'm being exposed to today?

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...

Ahem.
I don't think Menarker's strategy is optimal. I think we should definitely use Pierce's 6-flinch, and screw around with their abilities as well. Throw in some sleep attacks, and a few damage-dealers, less to kill anything, and more to test the waters. We don't know what's ahead of us, and it'd suck to rely on, say, Bibarel's death only for it to survive horribly, rather than dying horribly. Plus, our enemies are focused on bringing their skills to bear really early in battle, if we can prevent that and establish a bit of early dominance, we should be ok. No Shock And Awe this time.
It's sorta late here, and I have to do some research on health insurance, I'll post something more detailed tomorrow.

Oh, and I could strangely see all the posts on the 'post reply' interface, so here's everything that happened since the forum went back up, just in case any of you missed anythin:

Today 04:40 AM
Geminex oh god what did you do

Post is visible, and also appears in the 'post reply' preview.

But the 20 or so other posts we had made after the forum went back up? DEAD. GONE.
Please tell me someone backed that shit up.
Today 04:36 AM
shiney test update post
Today 03:28 AM
Menarker Guys, if you can send me a PM of anything important, that would be great. For some reason, my computer or the forum in general is glitched up and I can't view anything from the second page on. It keeps taking me back to the first page when I select 2nd page or later.
Today 03:16 AM
BardTheFifthLightWarrior Anyone notice how the site doesn't acknowledge pages 3 to 5 as having existed?
Today 03:11 AM
Menarker Testing something. For some reason, it's not letting me view posts past a certain point now... Deleting this message after I confirm. Sorry for doublepost.
Today 03:11 AM
BardTheFifthLightWarrior Theres some glitch with the site here, I can only view page 2 for some reason.
Today 03:07 AM
Menarker Now there are two things I forgot to clarify.

A: Who should get the rage rockets? Pierce using his Co-Op tech sounds like a good idea to bring the damage to Tinkerer and such, although several of the targets are resistant/immune to either physical or special or immune to fire in the healer's case (The Co-Op seem to be a mix of both due to Stone Edge and Overheat). In addition, the ones that aren't immune are water or fighting types, reducing its full potency.
Alternatively we could give it to Wilhelmina and when we are absolutely sure that anyone capable of curing status or using haze is dead, she can go dominatrix again.

B:
Quote:
"Be careful with Fog of War. If they're smart, they'll have goons inside the fog taking potshots from safety, and they'll most likely use Defog on their end to blow the Fog of War right back over the enemy, obscuring them and lowering your accuracy. What's worse is that Snipers and Destroyers won't be able to get an accurate sighting of the enemy, and will be rendered useless. It's always a good idea to have a Pokemon or Pokebrid available who can use Defog."

So, there is a chance that there may be snipers or other foes lurking in the background. Should we pull Wilhelmina back and have her check the area out? Or should we focus on actually getting those 4 dead and deal with instant-kill shots or what not on the next turn?
Today 02:11 AM
BardTheFifthLightWarrior WOOHOO THE FIFTH BRO OF MINE HAS RETURNED!

I've been OK while I was gone. That job at the Summer Camp was alright, but my feet were torn up by spider, mosquitoes, and chiggers. I also went to Mammoth Cave. Otherwise though, not much. Going Rock0climbing this Saturday.

And I guess that plan looks alright to me.
Yesterday 11:07 PM
Menarker Ah. ^^; I forgot to check out Pokebrids. I was shit tired at 3AM so I basically Ctrl+F "Swap" in AB's database with character moves.

Anyhow, with that recent revelation, I still think my plan is best for now since...
A: Pelipper is not as valuable a target as the four targets I slated to have knocked out (Honchkrow, Bibarel, Tinkerer, Healer).
B: Based on past experience with the Alpha's during Renny's Sidequest and with the soldiers we faced thus far, we know that their stamina is such that several good hits are required, unless they are like highly buffed attacks on quad weak foes or so.
C: Combine those two together and a 3rd fact appears that we don't have enough attackers to attack Pelipper without having one of those 4 survive and use their technique and so.

Next turn though, that can and probably should be the next thing we do, Skill Swapping Volt Absorb onto Matt and plugging Pelipper with 2 Quad Effective Thunders should do the trick. Renny can swap out Swampert for Togekiss and attack Toxicroak with Air Slash for 100% flinch and Super Effective Damage every turn while we work on the Cultist, Noctowl and the Pokebrids.

That of course, assuming that everyone agrees with my above posted plan and that it works without a hitch.
Yesterday 09:47 PM
DanteFalcon Actually in Venomoth form I have skill swap.
Yesterday 07:58 PM
Menarker Boy, I'm up late. Going to bed after this post.

I'd hardly think the situation was such that we'd would have lost if Kurika didn't attack then on the spot. Anyhow, it's over and done with. Renny is entitled to his opinion and his sympathy. However, he never said out loud that it was the "wrong thing to do" or even said "unforgivable". Just that it was reckless and he was shocked that someone would consider the idea nevermind order it.


As for your thoughts on my suggestions, I got a few comments. (Although I respect that your idea with dealing with the abilities specifically was a good idea... just not now.)

A: None of us has Skill Swap and only Leafeon has Worry Seed. If we use Shannon's Leafeon, we won't be using Charlotte's Super Fang, thus we won't be attacking the Tinkerer and Healer with Super Fang ASAP which defeats the point of the plan to get rid of those guys ASAP.

B: Only the "abilities" can be removed with Worry Seed.The other stuff like immunity to types, getting two attacks per turn and merc techs aren't stopped by those, and those are the huge factors since they change how they attack and can be attacked as well. They also combo outrageously. Honchrow attack twice with Super Luck for increased Crit chance and when it does crit, triple instead of double damage? DOING Dark Void TWICE and thus putting 4 people to sleep per turn?

C: I listed the threat rating especially to take in account how much damage/interference a target can be expected to do in a period of time. The Pokemon's Merc Techs don't seem to require a rage cost and thus seem to be castable first turn. AOE Super Fang with AOE random flinching for several turns where the people casting defog might be the ones flinched while taking damage among other stuff like Embargo, inability to retreat, inability to buff without it being removed... All nasty stuff when put together. My kill list was listed in order based on that threat rating as well as how easily can we kill them. Steelix, while a massive pain in the ass, has to dealt with later because he's just not feasible to kill off in one turn. We can't sleep him because Haze removes status affliction, and because he is steel type and resists most attacks, flinching would only have a 30% chance of working at best after taking serene grace in account.

On the plus side, I forgot to include that Honchrow is also weak to Ice. Ice Beam can be used by Moon.



So for the plan. I'm assuming we're back to 50 rage for everyone since there was that time delay and everyone healed up and so? Here is a more complete suggestion of what we could do.

Rachel: Rage Rocket twice. Whom is up to discussion.
Lexhur: Devil Drift Steelix. It is gone from combat for two turns. We can retreat as needed and no worries of earthquake or him activating his invincibility technique. Need to be done this turn or we can't do it for 3 turns.
Kurika: OHKO Bibarel. Prevents AOE Super Fang and turns of Haze and Super Fang.
Charlotte: Super Fang HoA Tinkerer with Spitz. Thunder Honchkrow with Pike.
Renny: Swampert Mimic Super Fang on HoA Healer. Magnezone uses Thunder on Honchkrow
Moon: Ice Beams on Honchkrow with both his pokemons. Honchkrow SHOULD be knocked out now.
Pierce: Press the attack on the Tinkerer with anything strong that isn't using Fighting, Electric or Ice damage.
Matthias: Sleep Powder on Pelipper. We're free to have buffs or status conditions on foes now until it wakes up since Bibarel and Honchkrow and Healer should be knocked out by the end of this turn. Saves us from being attacked by him too.
Wilhelmina: Attack Healer with Nether Shot. (Ghost)
Harriette: Attack Healer with both her pokemons and herself. Tinkerer should be knocked out by now after Super Fang and a Sniper Shot on top of that.

End Result: (Hopefully)
KO: Honchkrow, Bibarel, Tinkerer, Healer
Statused: Pelipper (Asleep), Steelix (Ejected)
Active: Toxicroak, Golduck Pokebrid, Kingdra Pokebrid, HoA Cultist, Noctowl

So... That's the 5 of us (Kurika in Impact's place), the sniper, shock trooper, medic, the engineer and the destroyer acting... I don't think I missed anyone? I think that's a good first turn, before taking in account potential actions like where those rage rockets are going to... like Pierce using his Co-Op ability or some other trick.

Is Discord and Lucian actively helping us out? Or are they being replacement enforcers or so?

Things been ok. Been planning my vacation for August. I'll still bring my laptop to keep on things, but my posts will be brief for the most part.
Yesterday 06:56 PM
Geminex 5/6 douchebags in da hizzouse!

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AB: Thanks! I'll come up with a few things.

Menarker: Kurika's attacks were tactically justified, if not morally. We needed all the attackers we could get. But eh, we'll see. I don't think Kurika minds...
Though if I hadn't been utterly without time, Impact would probably have confronted Renny about calling his decisions 'unforgivable'.

Also, OH MAN SO MANY MISTAKES I AM SO DISGUSTED.

...

Ok, not really. Though I do think that Menarker has placed a bit too much emphasis on enemy abilities...

Not that those aren't quite significant. But I'm thinking that, rather than letting the enemy's abilities dictate our attack choices, we should just cancel out the worst of the enemy's abilties. I'm sure there's an attack that lets two pokemon trade their abilities, if we use that on, e.g. Pelipper, we could remove its volt absorb and take it down in 2 electric attacks, alpha training be damned. Plus, you know the move 'Worry Seed'? Replaces the target's ability with Isomnia. Again, there's quite a few uses for this... Unfortunately, I don't actually think that anyone got it. Though I'm too lazy to check. Menarker, get on that.

And for the enemies without Isomnia, I'm also thinking that we should yet again make use of sleep, on, say, Honchkrow. But that's just an aside...

In the end, I'm really not sure how difficult this battle's gonna be. I mean, we have quite powerful attacks on the enemy's end, but they're just pokebrids with alpha stats! Our biggest problem is gonna be the merc training, and multiple abilities. Plus, the cultists are gonna get real annoying, I'm sure. But they should die fairly quickly as well, I'm hoping.

My current prioritization would be to kill the Tinkerer first, then to kill Bibarel (I like the idea of using Kurika, but we'd need to see if Impact can be spared), then to sleep/flinch/remove from battle Steelix and Honchkrow, then kill the Healer and, finally, Pelipper if we can spare the resources.

Also, how've you all been? I've been busy moving into my apartment, which has been quite interesting, albeit time-intensive, and am now diligently preparing for uni to start in October. I have no doubt that this will also be quite interesting, albeit time-intensive. Very much so, in fact.
I'll probably be able to keep up, this RP doesn't move too quickly, but my very magnificent contributions to the discussion threads will, I think become more scarce. I certainly doubt that I'll have time to discuss balancing with any of you. So we'll just have to see how we tackle what impending problem.
Yesterday 04:20 PM
Menarker Well, it was detailed in one of the books in the game's library regarding the myths/lore of the pokemon world many many years back, not an actual NPC to talk with. The story goes that Humans and Pokemons used to live in perfect harmony and best buds or such. Most of the pokemons were revered like gods due to their extraordinary power back when technology was still weak, before apricorn and such, but this wasn't a problem. Then a human came across a "mysterious sword" and gained power of his own. He started attacking friend and foe alike in the excessive pride that came with power of his own, many pokemons slain in the process who were thus agrieved by their pain and loss at the hand of someone who they thought as their ally. So the pokemons took up their magic and claws against the humans, hence why pokemons now randomly attack people in the grass out of aggressive self defense. Said human with the sword regret what he had down and cast the sword away which shattered, but the rift between the two camps were never truly the same again. However, pokemons as a whole did still want to try to bridge the gap, so most of them were willing to be submissive (and hopefully build friendship) if they were captured as opposed to being potentially killed like many of them instinctively thought would happen if they lose a fight in the wild against a human. In essence, being captured and raised by a loving trainer was a sort of reconciliation.



EDIT!

This is the stuff that I made before before it got deleted in the forum downing.

Threat Rating listing based on personal analysis... (Keep in mind that anything immune to physical is immune to Super Fang.)

Noctowl: Dream Eater build with Psychic STAB bonus. Immune to physical attacks due to evasion. Ice and Rock 50% reduction. Only weak to Electric. Merc-Tech is powerful single target but not much else. Immune to Accuracy reduction and sleep.
Threat Rating: Medium. Use Electric Special Attack

HoA Acolyte: Counterattack physical hits 100%. Steel, Ghost, Dark and Fire techniques all resisted 50%. Immune to Flinch, Bleed and Burn. Risky gamble technique that grants chance of transforming to more powerful form (otherwise, he kills himself) that becomes more reliable as situation goes badly for him. One move has 100% flinch chance and reduce accuracy by 1 stage.
Threat Rating: Low-Medium at first. Medium-High as battles goes on. Use Super Fang when the situation is good enough to spare enough attackers to rush him safely.

Steelix: REFLECT special type moves. Immune to Fire, Ground and Normal moves (Makes Super Fang useless). PREVENTS ANYONE FROM SWITCHING OUT! Immune to OHKO. Earthquake. Powerful Merc-Tech that makes him invincible for 3 turns. Extremely high defense almost on par with Mollesk mitigate the physical damage he'll take.
Threat Rating: VERY HIGH. Do we have any ghost pokemon/pokebrid with Curse? Otherwise, statuses like sleep and confusion is cruical on this guy to prevent him from getting his abilities off. Only super effective type is phsyical Fighting or Water moves.

Pelipper: Electric Immunity. Immunity to Physical moves due to evasion. Can attack twice per turn. Haze makes buffs and debuffs useless. Weather Effects like Sunny Day have no effect. Combination of electric and ice attacks can cover almost all types for at least neutral if not super effective damage.
Threat Rating: HIGH. Only super effective move is Rock Special attack.

HoA Tinkerer: 50% resist to Fighting, Ice, Electric. Immune to paralysis and freeze. Counter attack Special moves 100%. Several types of status afflictions including 50% FREEZE!
Threat Rating: VERY HIGH. Defeat before it swarms us with powerful minions that are damn hard to kill that are cheap to cast! Use Super Fang on him!

Bibarel: Immune to anything not Electric, Grass or Fighting Type. Double all stats gains or loss with Simple. He attacks foes and recieve attacks from foes as if they had no buffs of any kind. Counterattacks any attacks on him with Super Fang. SUPER POWERFUL MERC TECH THAT CUTS THE HEALTH OF FIVE ALLIGNED TARGETS BY HALF! Has Haze as well. Stealth Rock can inflict significant damage to people/pokemon switching out. Has Super Fang.
Threat Rating: VERY VERY HIGH first turn. Medium-High afterwards. Weak to Kurika's OHKO tech due to the move being Fighting Type. ^^

Honchkrow: EMBARGO PREVENT US INCLUDING MEDICS FROM USING ITEMS! Dark Void for AOE sleep. Immune to physical hits as well as counterattack when it happens. Punishment does super damage to buffed up targets. Can attack twice per turn with increased crit chance and damage! Very Powerful AOE Merc-Tech with random flinching, poison-like health drain and requires 3 uses of defog to turn off!
Threat Rating: VERY HIGH. Use special attacks like Electric or Ice!

HoA Healer: Immune to Flinch, Critical, OHKO as well as Poison and Fire moves. Attacks all have 100% chance of negative status affliction. Single target buff technique that grants immunity to debuffs and status while also fully healing target and granting regen.
Threat Rating: Medium-High. Apathy/Exhaustion will mess with our ability to use rage dependent techniques well enough. Use Super Fang on him!

Toxicroak: Loses its quad weakness to Psychic. 100% counterattack any attack to it. Gains strength when afflicted with status condition. Gains health when hit with water. Loses health in sunlight and extra damage when hit with fire. Average Merc Tech that is single target with debuff and poison. Crits do not happen to Toxicroak. Brick Break removes Reflect/Light Screen. Has Toxic.
Threat Rating: Low. Flinch with Super Effective Air Slash is golden for 100% chance flinch. Assume it can't counterattack when flinched.

Golduck Pokebrid: Broad Move-pool.
Threat Rating: Low-Medium

Kingdra Pokebrid: Tons of resistances > nothing super effective on it except dragon damage.
Threat Rating: Medium


ANYHOW, all that being said, this is the order I believe we should focus our attacks on.

Bibarel (Because we can kill him in one action)
Honchkrow (Would hinder our medic!)
HoA Healer (Nasty in combination with Steelix among other targets as well as the Apathy/Exhaustion thing)
HoA Tinkerer
Steelix (Trying to figure out how to prevent him from using its ability on the first turn. Too many foes with haze or status cure... EDIT: I think Lexhur's Devil's Drift can do the trick)
Pelipper
Noctowl
Toxicroak (Togekiss or Shaymin using Air Slash on it will flinch-lock it into uselessness while killing him off quickly enough.)
Kingdra Pokebrid
Golduck Pokebrid

Plan: Use Kurika's Fighting type OHKO move on Bibarel thus bypassing its WonderGuard (The rest of the battle is fucking hard as is!). Problem solved before it can use AOE super fang to screw us over. Focus whatever special electric attacks on Honchkrow. Focus attacks on Healer and Tinkerer.

Thus... Kurika use OHKO. Charlotte use a Super Fang on Tinkerer and Renny has one of his mimickers use it on Healer. We focus the rest of our attacks to knock out Honchkrow, Tinkerer and Healer. If we can find a way to prevent Steelix from using its ability without someone using Haze to fix him up, we do that if we can. Otherwise, we work our way down the list...


Thus Renny's role for the turn would probably be having Swampert using Mimic on Spitz's Super Fang on either Tinkerer or Healer while Magnezone attacks Honchkrow for Super Effective Electric damage with Thunder.

Any thoughts? Sorry if I made a mistake or said something stupid in your mind. It's late, I'm excitable and tired and feeling sick.


EDIT: Can we use Lexhur's Devil's Drift technique to remove Steelix from the fight for a few turns? I imagine that would not only be impressive instory given Steelix's size and weight, but also solve everything stemming from his presense such as that damned Arena Trap and invincibility thing while removing a very powerful attacker. Thank goodness it's steel typed, so it's ok by bypassing immunity. ^^ (Although it wouldn't do much damage due to steel resisting steel on top of that huge defense.)
Yesterday 04:07 PM
BardTheFifthLightWarrior So Impact is basically analogous to that guy, and he will eventually doom us all?

E: Like, that was obvious from the start, but I never knew we had an in game dude to compare him to. I only had Diamond, so I guess that Slayer did was never mentioned until Platinum?
Yesterday 04:01 PM
Menarker Hehe.

On another note, I finally got my hands on Pokemon Platinum. So I actually got the first hand experience playing with the new battle system, and playing with Togekiss who kick SERIOUS ASS once he actually got the moves needed and the Shiny Stone needed to evolve it from Togetic.
Was interesting to note that there is INDEED a Slayer character mentioned in passing in Platinum and how that character was responsible for the state of the pokemon world as it is now in the same manner that Eve was responsible for humanity's downfall in a biblical sense, by screwing up epically.
Yesterday 01:07 PM
BardTheFifthLightWarrior I'll get a post up soon. I've had Charlotte's reaction to Arceus in mind for a while, and I will be very happy to put it to writing.

4/6 BASTARDS RECOVERED. 1 JERK-FACE NECESSARY TO RESUME.

Edit: POSTED! Don't expect to get this happy niceness from Charlotte ever again. It took having GOD in her possession to make her lighten up. The only moment she may approach this level again is when she gets Revenard, and that will probably be off screen.
Yesterday 12:48 PM
Menarker YES! THE SITE IS BACK! ^^

Also, some of the latest posts (before the downtime) disappeared including the huge one I had regarding the best targets to attack and why (mostly in agreement with what Drac said). I could have sworn I had other stuff posted...

I'll post the stuff again later on. Got fireworks tonight.

EDIT: One of the things that I figured we should have is a big upgrade for when we hit 15th level. You know, as a sort of "capstone" accomplishment for hitting the max level. Kinda have the last level up be a bit of a BANG. =P
Yesterday 04:24 AM
BardTheFifthLightWarrior Well that makes 3/6 jackasses confirmed.

BUT WHERE ARE OUR OTHER THREE DOUCHEBAGS!?!?
Yesterday 03:59 AM
Dracorion Well, I'm not not here.
Yesterday 03:56 AM
DanteFalcon My current theatre production ends officially on Monday so I should be free for this again afterwards.
Yesterday 03:08 AM
BardTheFifthLightWarrior Hey.... you guys still here?

Please tell me you guys are still hear. I've waited a week or so hoping this little implosion wouldn't kill us too badly.

[shiney]

But it works now :C

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not really. I ain't going to bother with it anyways. THIS THREAD IS WHERE ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE AT ANYWAYS.

[Menarker]

Shiney, thanks for the help. We're probably going to stick with this thread so we don't risk triggering something by accident if the problem is still there. But at least we got the info there to read and refer to even if a chunk of it disappeared and never came back.

Gem, Pierce's 6 Flinch tech is melee attacks. Almost all the foes have phsyical immunity (via evasion) and counterattack (and some of the ones that don't have that have flinch immunity instead) and the ones that don't have either (the pokebrids mainly) are not the ones that we urgently need to get rid of. It's wasting rage and doesn't deal with the foes that need to be dealt with.
Also, You said in an earlier post that we should put Honchkrow to sleep. Too bad it has that sleep immunity ability. Also as for your plan with Sleep, if we leave Bibarel, Healer or Pelipper alive, they'll cure the status afflictions and we'd be back to where we started except that they get the chance to use those super powerful free Merc Techs on us.

[Dracorion]

Technically Pierce's Signature Sequence isn't flinch, it's just easier to call it that.

Also, I'm pretty sure counterattacks don't activate from counterattacks. Otherwise, we'd be in deep shit if we brought Rayleen, what with her counterattack ability. Physical immunity, sure, that would work.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Is AB still around? Of he doesn't return soon I'm not emailing him this time.

I've been gone from this too long to remember what is happening. So I will let you guys handle this. Again/

[Dracorion]

Actually, AB made that post before the forums went down.

Keep with the times, Menarker!

Anyway, I went on ahead and emailed AB.

EDIT: DAMNIT MENARKER YOU CHEATING POST-DELETING BASTARD

[Menarker]

I actually realized that fact before you made the post. ^^; Sorry.

Anyhow. A thought occured to me.

If we could get Impact to use his rage technique that allows Enforcers to act on the same turn as their partners, then we could make this work better. (Good thing I left my plan open as to how we give Rage Rockets)

Thus let's assume that Rachel gives Impact both rage rockets and thus he has 100 rage. Geminex neglected to post his skill's description in his bio, so I don't know how much it cost for each enforcer. Let's say he could afford to pay for Kurika and Shannon for this particular example. (YOU GOTTA DO YOUR PART AND EDIT THOSE MOVES INTO YOUR CHARACTER BIO!)

If we could use the combo of Moon and Shannon for their Moonbeam Disco tech (Costs 40 RP for both of them since they are both on the field), that might work for flinching 3 targets since the only ones who is immune to that technique via virtue of immunity to special moves or flinching in particular is the HoA acolyte, the HoA healer, Steelix (who is being ejected by Lexhur), and Bibarel (OHKOed).


Thus, the revised plan would be something like...

Battle Starts. Everyone has 50 rage. Everyone fully healed.

Rachel: Rage Rocket twice on Impact. Impact has 100 rage.
Lexhur: Devil Drift Steelix. It is gone from combat for two turns. We can retreat as needed and no worries of earthquake or him activating his invincibility technique. Need to be done this turn or we can't harm it for for 3 turns.
Impact: Does that Enforcer ability (CC&C?). Pays for Kurika and Shannon at least
Kurika: Fighting Type OHKO Bibarel.
Charlotte: Super Fang HoA Tinkerer with Spitz.
Renny: Swampert Mimic Super Fang on HoA Healer.

Those are all the cruical moves as I see it since they are high threats and can't be flinched (Except for Tinkerer). Depending on AB's answer to the coming questions, we can decide on how the rest of the attackers can be assigned. The available units are as follows.

Renny: Any one of his pokemons that isn't Swampert.
Cecilia: Also available to be called by Impact.
Charlotte: Any one of her pokemons that isn't Spitz.
Shannon: Either use Moonlight Disco with Moon or consider Worry Seed on Pelipper and attack with another pokemon? (Recommend Moonlight Disco since Matthias can do Skill Swap on Pelipper or Sleep Powder.)
Moon: Moonlight Disco or attacking with two Ice Beams on Noctowl or Honchkrow?
Pierce: Two pokemons to choose from as attackers.
Misha: Available to be called by Impact.
Matt: Attack, Sleep Powder someone or Skill Swap Pelipper or so?
Aster: Available to be called by Impact.
Harriette: Her two pokemons to choose from and her attack.
Wilhelmina: Attack someone? Search for foes like snipers hiding in the fog or so?


However, to save you all time, I have a plan here, although I'm feeling drained and tired and I feel like it should probably use a little proofreading. Is wondering in particular if people can still attack after using their Love-Tech (Or if Impact can attack after using CC&C, if that's the right technique I'm thinking of.) Also, a reminder that since Moon and Shannon are both on the field with the plan, the cost for their technique is shared between the two of them, dropping it from 80 on one person to 40 on two people, thus it can be used this turn.



Proposed plan:

Rachel: Rage Rocket twice on Impact. Impact has 100 rage.
Lexhur: Devil Drift Steelix. It is gone from combat for two turns. We can retreat as needed and no worries of earthquake or him activating his invincibility technique. Need to be done this turn or we can't harm it for 3 turns.
Impact: Does that Enforcer ability (CC&C?). Pays for Kurika, Shannon, Milsha and Aster.
Kurika: Fighting Type OHKO Bibarel.
Matthias: Skill Swap with Pelipper, removing its Volt Absorb.
Charlotte: Super Fang HoA Tinkerer with Spitz.
Thunder on Pelipper with Pike.
Milsha: Fatal Five Strike on Tinkerer. Flinched on top of a bunch of status afflictions (Although Tinkerer is immune to paralyze). 50% chance of Instant Death (If Tinkerer does dies, redirect other attackers to another target.)
Renny: Swampert Mimic Super Fang on HoA Healer.
Magnezone STAB Thunders Pelipper.
Shannon: Moonlight Disco on Noctowl, and the two pokebrids.
Uses Abomasnow's STAB Blizzard on Honchcrow.
Moon: Joins in Moonlight Disco.
Vaporeon use Blizzard on Honchkrow.
Harriette: Illumise use Helping hand on Blaziken.
Vespiquen use STAB Attack Order on Healer (High crit chance).
Charge Shot on Honchkrow.
Pierce: Attack Honchkrow with Arai with Thunder.
Attack Tinkerer with Blaziken's Flare Blitz. (Humans weak against fire unless stated otherwise, right?)
Wilhelmina: Nether Shot Healer.
Aster: STAB Brine attack on Honchkrow. Due to the heavy damage taken by Honchcrow, the attack power will double to become like a water type Hyper Beam even before taking STAB into consideration.

End Result:

Noctowl: Flinched by Moonlight Disco which does Neutral damage.
HoA Acolyte: Untouched
Steelix: Ejected.
Pelipper: 2 quad effective STAB attacks. Deemed KOed.
HoA Tinkerer: Super Fanged, Milsha's Final Five Strike and a Helping Handed Super Effective Move (humans weak to fire). Deemed KOed. Flinched if not dead.
Bibarel: OHKO move that is Fighting Type to bypass Wonderguard. Deemed KOed.
Honchkrow: Two STAB super effective moves, a super effective move, and a STAB 130 Power attack. Deemed KO.
HoA Healer: Super Fanged, and three hits: one from sniper (Wilhelmina) and one Slayer attack (Harriette) and one STAB pokemon attack with high crit chance. Deemed KOed.
Toxicroak: Untouched
Golduck Pokebrid: Flinched by Moonlight Disco which does Super Effective Damage.
Kingdra Pokebrid: Flinched by Moonlight Disco which does Neutral damage.



AB: Do special techniques that use elements like Moonlight Disco take their foe's element into consideration when applying its effect? Normally, it's supposed to flinch 100% of the time. Does this apply to foes that are resistant to dark moves as well in a manner similar to how you said that super effective moves of pokemons have double the chance of inflicting whatever status condition they have? Basically, if we used Moonlight Disco on Honchkrow or Toxicroak who would normally resist dark moves due to their types, do they only get 50% chance of being flinched or so?

Also, is Discord and Lucian actively helping us or are they substitute enforcers or just POWs and thus twiddling their thumbs? (My plan assumed that they weren't going to help.)

Am I correct to assume that Moon and Shannon can still use one of their pokemons when using their Love Tech? (or can they use both or neither or does it matter who initiates the technique?)

Isn't Harriette's Charge Shot a special type attack? I could have sworn that was the case from Renny's Sidequest.

[Astral Harmony]

Just got off of duty. I feel like an ass, but I didn't do anything Pokemon Umbral related while the server was down. I pretty much just played City of Heroes a lot.

Counterattacks aren't triggered by other counterattacks. This is Pokemon Umbral, not Disgaea.

The chance of type-status effects (like Dark's flinch or Fire's burn) aren't affected by resistances or whatever when it's a Signature Technique of any kind. The only time these indications change is depending on the enemy's rank (minion, boss, uber-boss, that kind of thing). I suppose I could do it that way, but there's enough confusing things going on as is.

Lucian and Discord will not be helping. Discord would sooner shove a Pineco up her ass than lend her services to any of you.

Only one Pokemon's move is used up for the Love Technique.

Harliette's Charge Shot is indeed Special. I always figured that Physical were the melee attacks and Special were the long range attacks.

Anyways, I change some ideas around while we had our little vacation:

1. There won't be a second story after all. Rayleen will indeed go off on her own after Mission 3 and pick up some allies so they can do their own thing, but the story parts where they don't merge with the Watchmen will be left out. I'll use the free time from that idea to come up with a new RP with a similar combat system.

2. I'll have a post up this weekend, and should have all the information I still need to gather together done and posted as well.

I think that's about it. I won't do anymore work tonight since right now I'm suffering the combination of too much work, not enough nourishment, and definitely not enough sleep. If you have questions, please post them again for me so I can get to answering them for you in one fell swoop tomorrow morning. Thank you.

EDIT: And what the hell is up with you girls and your yaoi? What, you'd rather have attractive young men fall for each other instead of you? Weirds me the hell out.

EDIT 2: Since Pierce talked about being in the Miasma Mountains, I figured I'd shed some light on that place.

The Miasma Mountain Range (yeah, it's a series of mountains now) near the central-western coast of Honmyr, a few days trek north of the Recycled City, is home to a massive variety of Dark, Poison, Psychic, and Ghost type Pokemon. You can't really see much of the mountains because they're cloaked in a perpetual violet mist. Without the right protective gear, serious health risks are only a few hours of immersion away. There are even tales of mutants that used to be humans or other Pokemon that were transformed by the miasma and the mountain's inhabitants.

Supposedly, but never confirmed, the mountain range is the main base of operations for the P3, or Pokemon Purge Priority. They're a bunch of militant anti-Pokemon ne'er-do-wells (lotsa Slayers with various specialties) who would usually be trying to kill the Pokemon that reside in the mountains, but currently will not do so because the miasma they create keeps the long arm of the law out of that place. There are numerous rumors of awesome treasures (Fountain of Youth, Philosopher's Stone, billions in gold, gems, and crude oil) and rare and powerful Pokemon up in those mountains, which draws a new batch of fresh victims every month or so. A high percentage of people lose their way and are "devoured" by the mountain range, and those who manage to survive just haven't turned up anything worthwhile except for the experience itself.

[Dracorion]

1. There won't be a second story after all. Rayleen will indeed go off on her own after Mission 3 and pick up some allies so they can do their own thing, but the story parts where they don't merge with the Watchmen will be left out. I'll use the free time from that idea to come up with a new RP with a similar combat system.

But, but...

But what about Sophie?!

WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

EDIT: And what the hell is up with you girls and your yaoi? What, you'd rather have attractive young men fall for each other instead of you? Weirds me the hell out.

It started with me screwing with Geminex by PMing him a little RennyxImpact slash and then I dunno what Bard did.

Believe you me, I'd rather have the attractive young women falling for me.

EDIT 2: Since Pierce talked about being in the Miasma Mountains, I figured I'd shed some light on that place.

The Miasma Mountain Range (yeah, it's a series of mountains now) near the central-western coast of Honmyr, a few days trek north of the Recycled City, is home to a massive variety of Dark, Poison, Psychic, and Ghost type Pokemon. You can't really see much of the mountains because they're cloaked in a perpetual violet mist. Without the right protective gear, serious health risks are only a few hours of immersion away. There are even tales of mutants that used to be humans or other Pokemon that were transformed by the miasma and the mountain's inhabitants.

Supposedly, but never confirmed, the mountain range is the main base of operations for the P3, or Pokemon Purge Priority. They're a bunch of militant anti-Pokemon ne'er-do-wells (lotsa Slayers with various specialties) who would usually be trying to kill the Pokemon that reside in the mountains, but currently will not do so because the miasma they create keeps the long arm of the law out of that place. There are numerous rumors of awesome treasures (Fountain of Youth, Philosopher's Stone, billions in gold, gems, and crude oil) and rare and powerful Pokemon up in those mountains, which draws a new batch of fresh victims every month or so. A high percentage of people lose their way and are "devoured" by the mountain range, and those who manage to survive just haven't turned up anything worthwhile except for the experience itself.

Screw it, I still think Pierce would've gone.

[Menarker]

The plan's pretty good... I would've used CCC as well to begin with... But I'm sure it's possible to improve it. I am, e.g. not happy with fatal 5, or the lack of flinch-techs.

But I'll have time this afternoon, I can optimize it then.

Lack of Flinch Techs? Fatal Five and Moonlight Disco are both Flinch-Techs! I just didn't choose Pierce's 6 Flinch because it was all melee and almost all the foes are immune to that. I wasn't going to have Fatal Five at first, but I was trying to find a way to get flinch as many targets as possible while getting rid of the worst threats. (Fatal Five is a single tech and it's hitting someone not immune to its effect.)

It started with me screwing with Geminex by PMing him a little RennyxImpact slash and then I dunno what Bard did.

Believe you me, I'd rather have the attractive young women falling for me.

Squick... I rather have attractive young women falling for me too. No Yaoi Slashfic for Renny.


Harliette's Charge Shot is indeed Special. I always figured that Physical were the melee attacks and Special were the long range attacks.


During Renny's Sidequest, you had it that some of her bullets were special and some of them weren't. I was wondering if you changed any of that. Stone Edge is a projectile but it's physical. (It's just throwing rocks!) Bullets are physical in nature as well. Bolts of energy like Star Wars blasters or shooting pure electric power seem like it would count as special type though.

That's how I thought it was.

Discord would sooner shove a Pineco up her ass than lend her services to any of you.
I hope you realize that Pineco aren't just living pinecones, but also exploding pokemons. She'd effectively be putting an oversized and sharp edged fragmentation grenade in her ass.


EDIT: Oh Drac, I had a question to ask regarding your sidequest. Are any of the NPCs or side characters really important to the story's role? I was hoping if it wasn't too much problem, that I put my vote for Whitney to be our group's sniper that mission. Roleplaying wise, she is perfect as she got a legitimate grievance against him personally. Also, as you probably noticed from this battle (Honchkrow, Noctowl, Toxicroak, Golduck), the battle at the haunted mansion (lots of dark, poison, ghost, psychic types) and the fact that his child bodyguard uses Mewtwo (and his former bodyguard Moera the Mew pokebrid) and that he himself is a Lugia pokebrid, he has a personal bias in favor of the "smart pokemons" like psychic, dark and ghost pokemons, which kinda fits since he's an egotistical mad scientist. Whitney has a whole team of bug pokesmons, which are pretty much super effective on almost all of those or at least resistant, so she is also perfect tactically.
I also imagined you'd want Chizuru as the medic since it's your sidequest and she's your "designated target girl" (and because she is already in charge of tracking down Faynoc, so it makes perfect roleplaying sense.) So I'd be happy with Chizuru in the group especially if you let Whitney be in the party.

[Dracorion]

Squick... I rather have attractive young women falling for me too. No Yaoi Slashfic for Renny.

Fine. I'll just write CharlottexArceus bestiality then.

EDIT: Oh Drac, I had a question to ask regarding your sidequest. Are any of the NPCs or side characters really important to the story's role? I was hoping if it wasn't too much problem, that I put my vote for Whitney to be our group's sniper that mission. Roleplaying wise, she is perfect as she got a legitimate grievance against him personally. Also, as you probably noticed from this battle (Honchkrow, Noctowl, Toxicroak, Golduck), the battle at the haunted mansion (lots of dark, poison, ghost, psychic types) and the fact that his child bodyguard uses Mewtwo (and his former bodyguard Moera the Mew pokebrid) and that he himself is a Lugia pokebrid, he has a personal bias in favor of the "smart pokemons" like psychic, dark and ghost pokemons, which kinda fits since he's an egotistical mad scientist. Whitney has a whole team of bug pokesmons, which are pretty much super effective on almost all of those or at least resistant, so she is also perfect tactically.
I also imagined you'd want Chizuru as the medic since it's your sidequest and she's your "designated target girl" (and because she is already in charge of tracking down Faynoc, so it makes perfect roleplaying sense.) So I'd be happy with Chizuru in the group especially if you let Whitney be in the party.

Actually, fun stuff:

Unless AB's changed his mind, then the NPCs that will be joining Pierce will be sort of taking up separate spaces on the formation once both teams reunite.

That is, Shizuka, Chizuru and Elizabeth won't be replacing the specialties on the main formation.

That is, for the big final battle we'll have two Shock Troopers, two Medics and two Engineers.

Believe me, we're going to need 'em.

You know, unless AB's changed his mind.

[Bard The 5th LW]

EDIT: And what the hell is up with you girls and your yaoi? What, you'd rather have attractive young men fall for each other instead of you? Weirds me the hell out.

I see nothing wrong with a change in pace. 1 S33 NOTH1NG WRONG 4T 4LL.

[Menarker]

Actually, fun stuff.

Unless AB's changed his mind, then the NPCs that will be joining Pierce will be sort of taking up separate spaces on the formation once both teams reunite.

That is, Shizuka, Chizuru and Elizabeth won't be replacing the specialties on the main formation.

That is, for the big final battle we'll have two Shock Troopers, two Medics and two Engineers.

Believe me, we're going to need 'em.

You know, unless AB's changed his mind.

That sounds neat for sure. Can I still throw in the request that Whitney be our group's sniper for the mission?

EDIT: Also, I vote that Dormond and Rayleen be our Shock Trooper and Medic. Because...
A: They are leaving soon. (Dormond goes everywhere Rayleen goes)
B: Faynoc also uses lots of ruin types. (Plus for Rayleen who uses dragon types)

As for the engineer... I got no one in particular, but using someone different from Moon would be neat. Probably best to save Mirror for a later mission when we could pair her up with Wilhelmina though.

[Dracorion]

Yeah, sure, go with Whitney.

[Astral Harmony]

Put Sophie in the main story if you want, Drac. Otherwise, the Crusader group will (permanently) merge with the Watchmen group for the final battle against Burkmont, near the end of the RP.

I think you're right about how Physical and Special attributes work, Renny. Charge Shot will be Special, then, since the main damage of that payload is delivered by the powerful electrical shock, not by the bullet itself.

[Dracorion]

Oh, cool, thanks.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Screw it, I still think Pierce would've gone.

Is it too late to send him there?

[Dracorion]

He'd go unprotected and come back perfectly alive, and probably carrying some priceless treasure, just to spite you.

Yeah, Pierce definitely went to Miasma Mountains before. With protection, of course. Wouldn't wanna catch any nasty STDs.

[Menarker]

The Miasma Mountain Range (yeah, it's a series of mountains now) near the central-western coast of Honmyr, a few days trek north of the Recycled City, is home to a massive variety of Dark, Poison, Psychic, and Ghost type Pokemon. You can't really see much of the mountains because they're cloaked in a perpetual violet mist. Without the right protective gear, serious health risks are only a few hours of immersion away. There are even tales of mutants that used to be humans or other Pokemon that were transformed by the miasma and the mountain's inhabitants.


Hmmm...

*Back in Renny's Sidequest*
Lexhur shook up and down again. "Elliot thought of everything, slightly older young lady. Gransrax was the one who suggested the possibility of that command gene passing down from parent to offspring."
Mika blinked. "Gransrax?"
"The Poison Ruin General. It took him a while to pass this information on to Idolus. It's difficult to be around Gransrax for any length of time without suffering serious health problems."

I have another wild speculation that there is a connection between Gransrax and that mountain range... the hazardous mist in particular.

Anyhow, does anyone else have any concerns or issues with the plan as I put it? I know that Gem said that he believes he could do something better, but what you think about the set-up I put up atm? (Still need to find out the exact details and cost of CC&C)

[Geminex]

Ok. Fucking laptop deleted my fucking plan, and I don't have much time, so here it goes, by heart. If there's any grieveous mistakes, it's because at the time of setting up the plan, I had no info on anyone's movesets (internet connection is reeeally crappy, I actually couldn't download the text file, stupid mobile internet connection), and at the time of writing I had no info at all, except for what I remember.

Moon:
1 Special amplifier
2 Helping Hand on Harliette
Charlotte:
1 Super fang on Healer
2 Lightning attack (thunder?) on Honchkrow
Pierce:
1 Solidarity Friggin' Overpowered Technique (Seriously, After This Battle, We Nerf It Somehow): Flinch Toxicroak, Tinkerer, Noctowl, Golduck, Kingdra,
2 Thunder on Honchkrow
Matt: Skill Swap with Bibarel's Wonder Guard
Impact: HV rifle on Healer (wearing fighting armor), CC&C
Shannon
1 Worry Seed on Steelix (Replace Sturdy)
2 Sleep Move (she has one, right?) on acylote
Kurika: OHKO Steelix
Milsha: Flamthrower on tinkerer (won't kill him, and will get countered, but I'd like to see what a counter actually does)
Aster: Attack pelipper?
Cecilia: Water bomb on healer (or some other special move)
Renny:
1 Mimic worry seed on Pelipper (replace volt absorb)
2: Thunder on Honchkrow
Wilhelina: OHKO Bibarel
Harliette:
1: Sleep on Acylote
2: Charge shot on Pelipper
3: Attack healer?

Not very tidy, and I'm not sure about some stuff (including the names of the pokemon in question, I just know their moves), but I think this one's better. It gives Matt Wonder Guard, it saves Lexhur's rage, kills steelix outright, and utterly cripples the enemy team without costing too much rage. What d'you think?

[Menarker]

Gem, your plan has a few mistakes.

Skill Swap cannot be used on Wonder Guard according to Skill Swap's Description. Hence why I had Kurika deal with Bibarel since only she can do it quickly enough.
However, since you have Wilhelmina on instant kill duty, there is no reason why Kurika can't use her OHKO on Bibarel and Wilhelmina use her OHKO move on Steelix instead. (After Sturdy is removed with Worry Seed)

Shannon does NOT have any sleep powder moves. Only Matt has them.

However, if we switch the Kurika with Wilhelmina, then Matt won't need to do Skill Swap since two foes will be OHKOed. He could use Sleep Powder on someone appropriate...

And I'm pretty damn sure we need more than one Quad Hit on Pelipper judging from experience from Renny's sidequest. Two is good.

And why do you actually WANT to SEE Milsha get countered? We shouldn't need to do that to win.

Noctowl won't get flinched from Solidarity Counter due to its physical immunity.

And what is Aster supposed to attack Pelipper with? All his forms are disadvantagous to Pelipper and Brine won't work well on Pelipper since it is a water move (and you put it in the wrong order anyhow, since Brine gets double power when the foe is half weakened).

Rachel is missing from the plan. (But implied due to Impact needing rage for CC&C, I'm sure)

I'll see what I can do with your plan after work since I do think it has some merits over my plan, but I don't think yours is any better than mine, due to the errors present. (Although it's pretty good for someone lacking all the information.)


Impact's revised plan:

Rachel: Rage Rockets on Impact twice.
Moon:
1 Special Attack Amplifier.
2 Blizzard on Honchkrow. Super Effective and Amplifier Boost.
Charlotte:
1 Super fang on Healer
2 Lightning attack (Thunder) on Pelipper. Super Effective. STAB. Amplifier Boost.
Impact:
1 HV rifle on Healer (wearing fighting armor)
2 CC&C for Shannon, Kurika, Milsha, Aster, and Cecilia.
Shannon:
1 Leafeon's Worry Seed on Steelix, replacing Sturdy with Insomnia
2 Blizzard on Honchkrow with Abomasnow. Super Effective. STAB and Amplifier boost.
Kurika:
1 Fighting Type OHKO on Bibarel
Wilhelmina:
1 Sniper OHKO on Steelix due to Sturdy being removed.
Renny:
1 Mimic worry seed on Pelipper (replace volt absorb)
2: Thunder on Noctowl. STAB Amplifier Boost. Super Effective
Pierce:
1 Solidarity Technique: Flinch Toxicroak, Tinkerer, Golduck, Kingdra.
2 Thunder on Noctowl. STAB Amplifier Boost. Super Effective
Matt:
1 Sleep Powder on Acolyte
Milsha:
1 Flamethrower on Noctowl. Amplified
Aster:
1 Brine on Noctowl for a 130 power attack that is STAB and Special attack boosted.
Cecilia:
1 Water Bomb on Healer. Amplifier Boost
Harliette:
1: Wormadam use Leaf Storm on healer. (140 POWER STAB and AMPLIFIED)
2: Charge shot on Pelipper. STAB Amplifier Boost.
3: Ice Beam on Honchkrow. Super Effective and Amplified.


End Result

Noctowl: Two STAB and Amplified Super Effective Attacks, a 130 power Brine attack with STAB and Amplifer boost, and an Amplified slayer attack. Deemed KOed.
HoA Acolyte: Asleep by Matt's Sleep Powder
Steelix: OHKO by Sniper after its ability to withstand OHKO is removed. Deemed KO.
Pelipper: Two Quad Effective STAB Amplifier Boosted Attacks. Deemed KO.
HoA Tinkerer: Solidarity Flinch
Bibarel: OHKO move that is Fighting Type to bypass Wonderguard. Deemed KOed.
Honchkrow: Three Super Effective Amplified attacks (one with STAB). Deemed KO.
HoA Healer: Super Fanged, STAB Fighting Bullet from Impact, a slayer Amplified attack and an Amplified STAB 140-Power Attack. Deemed KO.
Toxicroak: Solidarity Flinch
Golduck Pokebrid: Solidarity Flinch
Kingdra Pokebrid: Solidarity Flinch




I didn't know that Impact could use his special ability and attack. Missed that from my previous plan I think.

Also, I changed some attacks from Honchkrow to Noctowl since Noctowl needs to be hit with electric attacks since it is resistant to ice while Honchkrow would still take double damage to ice. Noctowl couldn't be flinched by solidarity or put to sleep and Matt is putting the acolyte to sleep, so it had to be put down.

There. Gotta go soon for work, so let me know what your thoughts are on my edits is and I'll see it when I get back.

[Dracorion]

Actually Menarker, Gastrodon can use Ancient Power. Also, Gem's plan involved Moon using Helping Hand on Harliette, which would've boosted her damage some, perhaps enough to one-shot Pelipper. Though probably not.

Also, yeah, don't see the point in having Milsha trigger the Tinkerer's counter. I mean, it's a counter. What do you think it does? It attacks back is what.

And why the hate on Solidarity Counter, Gem? It's exactly the same as Chizuru's Solidarity Guard, right down to the RP cost, except this one hits a set number of enemies. Technically, Chizuru's Solidarity Guard could be used to counter more than six enemies, you know. Of course, that's situational, but it would still be usable in most encounters.

Solidarity Counter, on the other hand, is pretty much set. If it's a little more powerful than Chizuru's technique, it's because it's a Signature Sequence rather than a Signature Technique. Also, I'm not sure if this is evident but Solidarity Counter only works on adjacent enemies.

Anyway, here's C,C&C for your benefit:

C,C&C (Command, Control and Communications)
Impact and Rayleen go into overdrive, exchanging information, designating targets, coordinating attacks. The suddenly improved battlefield coordination lets every enforcer, even those not in combat, let off an (extra) attack, with +1 to both attack stats, for this attack only. Meaning if they're in-combat, they get two attacks (one of which gets an extra +1 to both attack stats), if they're in rearguard position, they get to attack once (again, with +1 to both stats). 15 RPs per affected enforcer

So all Impact needs is one Rage Rocket to be able to use it. Which frees up one other Rage Rocket for Pierce.

If you want to have Wilhelmina do a OHKO, however, you need to cough up a Rage Rocket to give to her, because she doesn't have enough right now. And Moon doesn't have enough Rage to build an Amplifier.

So I'm going to take both your plans and go nuts:

Rachel: Rage Rocket on Impact, Rage Rocket on Pierce, spend 25 RP to use a Rage Rocket on Wilhelmina.
Impact: HV Rifle on Healer, STAB due to armor. Use Signature Sequence Command, Control and Communications, pays for Milsha, Kurika, Cecilia, Aster and Shannon.
Pierce: Aria to use Thunder on Honchcrow.
Signature Sequence Solidarity Counter on Golduck Pokebrid, Noctowl, HoA Acolyte A, Steelix, Kingdra Pokebrid and Pelipper.
Kurika: OHKO Bibarel.
Matthias: Sleep Powder on HoA Acolyte B.
Milsha: Fatal Five Strike on Tinkerer. Flinched on top of a bunch of status afflictions (Although Tinkerer is immune to paralyze). 50% chance of Instant Death (If Tinkerer does die, redirect other attackers to another target.)
Shannon: Florescence to use Worry Seed on Steelix.
Abomasnow to use Blizzard on Honchcrow and HoA Healer.
Renny: Swampert Mimic Worry Seed on Pelipper.
Magnezone STAB Thunders Pelipper.
Wilhelmina: OHKO Steelix.
Charlotte: Super Fang HoA Healer with Spitz.
Thunder on Pelipper with Pike.
Moon: Helping Hand on Harliette.
Kingdra to use Brine on HoA Healer (power doubled due to Healer's HP below 50%).
Harriette: Illumise to use Helping hand on Harliette.
Vespiquen use STAB Attack Order on Tinkerer (High crit chance). If Tinkerer is dead, target HoA Acolyte A.
Charge Shot on Honchkrow.
Cecilia: Bo Strike on HoA Acolyte A.
Aster: Switch to Gastrodon, Sludge Bomb on HoA Acolyte A.

End Result:

Noctowl: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.
HoA Acolyte A: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. One neutral damage attack and one super-effective attack.
HoA Acolyte B: Asleep.
Steelix: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. OHKOed.
Pelipper: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. 2 quad effective STAB attacks. Deemed KOed.
HoA Tinkerer: Milsha's Final Five Strike and a neutral damage attack. Deemed KOed. Flinched if not dead.
Bibarel: OHKOed.
Honchkrow: Two STAB super effective moves, a Helping Handed super-effective attack. Deemed Koed.
HoA Healer: Super Fanged, two STAB neutral damage attacks, one STAB 130 power attack. Deemed KOed.
Toxicroak: Untouched
Golduck Pokebrid: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.
Kingdra Pokebrid: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.


To clarify, if you look a the enemy formation, there are two HoA Acolytes. HoA Acolyte A is the one on the left. Our formation should be:

[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Spitz] [Pike] [Bastiodon] [Illumise] [Harliette] [Vespiquen] [Swampert] [Magnezone] [Palkia] [Aria] [Kingdra] [Fathom] [Impact] [Evolith/Device Space 2]

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh yeah, with the revelation that Charlotte gets Arceus, I am going to have to retire one of the members of Charlotte's team. I'm thinking Pike or Spitz. But if I released Pike, that removes diversity, and Spitz has Superfang.

What do you guys think? I've sort of grown attached to all of them...

[Dracorion]

Technically, you don't have to get rid of any of them yet. You have five pokemon and six slots, and Arceus can take the extra slot.

Of course, you're going to have to choose when you get Revenard, but that's forever away.

I'd pick Sol-leks. Buck is cool and Spitz is necessary and Pike adds diversity. Everything Sol-leks can do Buck and Spitz can. Except I think Sol-leks is the closest one to Charlotte, personality-wise. And you already gave him a custom item.

Maybe you could just rotate one pokemon out of your team every mission? For example, I'm going to be rotating between Dialga and Palkia until Sam joins up.

[Menarker]

I'd advise the same for Sol-leks.

However, keep in mind that Arceus can be any single type element pokemon you got plates for, although you can give him other items if you don't mind him being default normal. (Currently, Arceus is equipped with the Toxic Plate, so he's poison type)

So let's say you really needed to switch out Pike, just give Arceus the electric plate and Arceus and the move Judgement (his signature move) will be electric type. (Judgement always has STAB in this manner)

And Drac, we started a new round, since everyone had time to heal and recover. Everyone is up/down to 50 rage.

And Drac, you ignored what I said REPEATABLY about Noctowl being IMMUNE to your solidarity counter thing.

Although it is good of you to mention that I forgot about the second acolyte and about Blizzard being double target.

I intentionally removed the Helping hand from the plan since two attackers using the same element is effectively 2X while Helping Hand is only 1.5 multiplier.

Anyhow, I'll look at the plan more later. it's my nephew's b-day.

[Astral Harmony]

Sigh.

Sorry, Bard, I had to do it. Geminex is trying to do something I simply cannot allow.

Has anyone ever conquered the world and came out it looking like a hero? Geminex is doing all in his powers to make Impact look like one. Heroes don't conquer worlds. They defend them, and if a hero ever conquered a world because it was the right thing to do, nobody would ever think of him as a hero up until the very instant where it's proven beyond a doubt he did the right thing.

Think about it. When the Nazis were defeated, did we conquer Germany? No, we gave it right back to the Germans. Otherwise, it'd be named East Carolina or something. Face it, Geminex. Impact barely looks like a hero now, especially after what he had Kurika do. He sure isn't going to look like one for the sequel.

[Dracorion]

Right. Stupid Rage. I'll fix my plan up.

And Menarker, you keep ignoring that Solidarity Counter does NOT cause flinch! When Pierce used it on Grant and Discord and Crownlegs, AB's post said the status was Null Turn. Which they only resisted because they were cheating bosses.

These pokemercs should be susceptible to that. In the case of Noctowl's Physical Evade, I imagine it's turn would be nullified, but it wouldn't take the counter attack damage.

Moon: Construct Power Amplifier.
Rachel: Rage Rocket on Impact, Rage Rocket on Renny.
Impact: HV Rifle on Tinkerer, STAB due to armor. Use Signature Sequence Command, Control and Communications, pays for Milsha, Kurika, Cecilia, Aster and Shannon.
Pierce: Aria to use Thunder on Honchcrow. Amplified.
Signature Sequence Solidarity Counter on Golduck Pokebrid, Noctowl, HoA Acolyte A, Steelix, Kingdra Pokebrid and Pelipper.
Kurika: Devil's Dance, OHKO Bibarel.
Matthias: Sleep Powder on HoA Acolyte B.
Milsha: Fatal Five Strike on Tinkerer. Flinched on top of a bunch of status afflictions (Although Tinkerer is immune to paralyze). 50% chance of Instant Death (If Tinkerer does die, redirect other attackers to another target.)
Shannon: Florescence to use Worry Seed on Steelix to remove Sturdy.
Renny: Swampert Mimic Worry Seed on Pelipper to remove Volt Absorb.
Magnezone STAB Thunders Pelipper. Amplified.
Wilhelmina: OHKO Steelix.
Charlotte: Super Fang HoA Healer with Spitz.
Thunder on Pelipper with Pike. Amplified.
Moon (2nd): Fathom to use Blizzard on Honchcrow and HoA Healer. Amplified.
Shannon (2nd): Abomasnow to use Blizzard on Honchcrow and HoA Healer. Amplified.
Harliette: Illumise to use Helping hand on Harliette.
Vespiquen use STAB Attack Order on Tinkerer (High crit chance). If Tinkerer is dead, target HoA Acolyte A.
Charge Shot on Noctowl. Amplified.
Cecilia: Bo Strike on HoA Tinkerer. If it's dead, target Noctowl with Amplified Splash Bomb.
Aster: Switch to Gastrodon, Brine on HoA Healer. Amplified.

End Result:

Noctowl: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. One Helping Handed Amplified super-effective attack.
HoA Acolyte A: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.
HoA Acolyte B: Asleep.
Steelix: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. OHKOed.
Pelipper: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. 2 quad effective STAB attacks. Deemed KOed.
HoA Tinkerer: Milsha's Final Five Strike, one STAB neutral damage Slayer attack, one neutral damage attack. Deemed KOed. Flinched if not dead.
Bibarel: OHKOed.
Honchkrow: One super effective moves, two STABed super-effective moves, all Amplified. Deemed Koed.
HoA Healer: Super Fanged, two STAB neutral damage attacks, one STAB neutral damage 130-power Amplified attack. Deemed KOed.
Toxicroak: Untouched
Golduck Pokebrid: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.
Kingdra Pokebrid: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.



I considered having Rachel attack someone, since Impact only needs one Rage Rocket to use C,C&C on the Enforcers, but I figure it's best to build up our Rage now in preparation of all the nasties on the way.

AB, out of curiosity, are the Kimonos Demon Half class (and in the case of Shizuka, Tsubasa and Fujiko, Full Demons I guess) as well as Battle Masters? Because it they're triple-classed and what with NPCs getting levels in all their classes per mission, that would make them the best characters in the RP.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm still surprised Geminex thinks Impact can come out of this as a good guy.

Though, exactly which Geminex post are you responding to, AB? Because I don't think I've seen him mention that in this thread at all.

[Astral Harmony]

Their demon and half demon natures are more like plot devices than an actual class. They're generally tougher than most characters which makes up for them only having one or two Pokemon...which I intend to rectify.

[Menarker]

Well, Drac, now that you clarified that a bit, I'm pretty "mostly happy" with the plan, although I like to point out a few things.

Honchkrow: Two super effective moves, one STABed super-effective move, all Amplified. Deemed Koed.

The ones attacking Honchkrow is Vaporeon, Abomasnow both with Blizzard and Arai with Thunder. Only Vaporeon doesn't have STAB, since it is pure water. Abomasnow is Ice/Grass so it still gets STAB on Blizzard. And I'm assuming Arai as a Electric/Dragon type gets STAB too.

HoA Healer: Super Fanged, two STAB neutral damage attacks, one STAB 130 power neutral damage attack.

I assume the 130 power STAB move is Brine which I had Aster do in my plan? You changed Aster's action to do AncientPower to Noctowl. So I assume that's a copy/paste error?

Why did you have Aster use AncientAncient Power on Noctowl anyways? Noctowl has special Merc training to resist Rock type attacks by 50%. Brine would be more effective because it has STAB on top as well as being a 130 power attack and amplified by the booster.

Why is Fanthom attacking the healer with Blizzard first? Super Fang does the most damage on a target when it is at full health.

I'm also wondering what are we saving Lexhur's rage for in particular? Are we expecting more reinforcement any time soon?

HoA Tinkerer: Milsha's Final Five Strike, one Amplified STAB super-effective Slayer attack, one neutral damage attack. Deemed KOed. Flinched if not dead.

Uh? I thought the two elements that work on humans super effectively was fire and poison, not fighting like the HV rifle.

[Dracorion]

Their demon and half demon natures are more like plot devices than an actual class. They're generally tougher than most characters which makes up for them only having one or two Pokemon...which I intend to rectify.

Ooooh, fun!

The ones attacking Honchkrow is Vaporeon, Abomasnow both with Blizzard and Arai with Thunder. Only Vaporeon doesn't have STAB, since it is pure water. Abomasnow is Ice/Grass so it still gets STAB on Blizzard. And I'm assuming Arai as a Electric/Dragon type gets STAB too.

Yeah, my bad.

I assume the 130 power STAB move is Brine which I had Aster do in my plan? You changed Aster's action to do AncientPower to Noctowl. So I assume that's a copy/paste error?

Why did you have Aster use AncientAncient Power on Noctowl anyways? Noctowl has special Merc training to resist Rock type attacks by 50%. Brine would be more effective because it has STAB on top as well as being a 130 power attack and amplified by the booster.

Bigger bad. Technically, it's because I previously had Moon's Kingdra using Brine on the Healer. But I changed it so Moon uses that action to build an Amplifier instead, and I forgot to cut it out of the end result.

Also, I had Aster use Ancient Power because I didn't want to scour his three movelists for a better attack and I knew it did 1x damage anyway. I'll have Aster use Sludge Bomb on the Healer instead.

I edited the changes into my previous post, because I'm not going to post that fucking plan again.

Why is Fanthom attacking the healer with Blizzard first? Super Fang does the most damage on a target when it is at full health.

Because that would mean having Charlotte use non-amplified Thunder?

Screw it, I'll just have Moon use his second action later. We've done it before.

I'm also wondering what are we saving Lexhur's rage for in particular? Are we expecting more reinforcement any time soon?

Well, there are supposedly nasties hiding in the fog, so we're saving Lexhur's Rage for that. It's also why I didn't have Rachel attack and had her use an extra Rage Rocket on Impact. Which on second thought would go better on Renny, wouldn't it? What with Prosperous Gifts and Serene Blessing and whatnot.

I'll edit that in too.

Uh? I thought the two elements that work on humans super effectively was fire and poison, not fighting like the HV rifle.

Copy/paste error.

EDIT: You know what the best part of my plan is, though? Impact will be taking the Tinkerer's Special counter.

The beauty of it is that he wanted to find out what counters are like.

[Menarker]

Also, I had Aster use Ancient Power because I didn't want to scour his three movelists for a better attack and I knew it did 1x damage anyway. I'll have Aster use Sludge Bomb on the Healer instead.

You mean the same healer with 100% resistance to poison? >_> Seriously, just put Aster attacking last and using Brine. It's pretty damn powerful finisher move that is always sure to have 130ish Power to start with after someone uses Super Fang on it even before taking STAB and Amplifier in consideration.

Everything else sounds good though. ^^ (Especially having Moon do his amplifier action first while saving his other action (and everyone else's action) later.)

[Dracorion]

Fucking details, man! How can you expect me to keep track of the smallest things like some asshole having poison immunity?

Whatever, it's fixed now.

[Menarker]

^^; It came easily to me. Fire and Poison are both the only weaknesses of human-classes, right? Healer having both of those immunities means he doesn't have any technical weak-points. Seemed easy to remember when I kept that in mind.

Your plan looks accurate now. (Although for AB's sake, might wanna mention that we're having Worry Seed replace Steelix's Sturdy ability and Pelipper's Volt Absorb ability so he doesn't randomly remove some other ability.)

Is there a reason why we're thinking that Impact's Fighting type rifle bullet is amplified? I didn't think it would be special typed like Aura Sphere or Focus Blast would... (Aside from the irony of having Impact get his wish granted about wanting to see what the Tinkerer's counter be like first-hand that you cleverly mentioned.)

[Bard The 5th LW]

Sorry, Bard, I had to do it.

What are you apologizing to me for? Is it the pokemon getting kicked off? I'm willing to overlook that what with Arceus being the replacement.

And yeah Sol-leks is a bit frivolous, but he has a pretty useful item on hand. Flinching and morality drop. I'll probably have to think about it.

Edit: I always figured that Impact ain't going to end up looking like a saint towards the end. Although, people like Hitler and Stalin were pretty popular in the countries they ruled. But yeah, Impact probably wouldn't have a great approval rating.

I really don't mind, I just like the idea of Charlotte being 'The Dragon' type character in the sequel.

[Menarker]

Well, I did suggest that you could remove Pike. Arceus could be your electric type, complete with a spammable 150 power electric attack with no drawback. I don't recall you using Pike for anything other than his electric attacks... or does your Co-Op tech rely on him?

And I got no objection if you ret-con your item so you can equip it to any of your leader pokemons. My pokemon items are like that.

[Dracorion]

Your plan looks accurate now. (Although for AB's sake, might wanna mention that we're having Worry Seed replace Steelix's Sturdy ability and Pelipper's Volt Absorb ability so he doesn't randomly remove some other ability.)

Yes, fine.

Is there a reason why we're thinking that Impact's Fighting type rifle bullet is amplified? I didn't think it would be special typed like Aura Sphere or Focus Blast would... (Aside from the irony of having Impact get his wish granted about wanting to see what the Tinkerer's counter be like first-hand that you cleverly mentioned.)

Ah, screw it, I'm not going to argue this one. Doesn't really matter anyway.

What are you apologizing to me for? Is it the pokemon getting kicked off? I'm willing to overlook that what with Arceus being the replacement.

He's talking about your hatred of people typing "Sigh".

Edit: I always figured that Impact ain't going to end up looking like a saint towards the end. Although, people like Hitler and Stalin were pretty popular in the countries they ruled. But yeah, Impact probably wouldn't have a great approval rating.

You know, right up until everything went to hell.

I really don't mind, I just like the idea of Charlotte being 'The Dragon' type character in the sequel.

Just make sure not to get her demoted to that one annoying recurring boss.

[Menarker]

Cool. I'm fine with the plan then.

Anyone else got any problems with it? Otherwise, I'll start making my post a bit later.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I bet Charlotte would probably be a really high leveled boss that is mostly around to remind the main characters of how much they suck ass in comparison to the higher up bad guys. Because she would never willingly depart with Revenard or Arceus. And Buck is a pretty strong fighting force in his own right.

And oh yeah, I almost overlooked the sighing thing....

Well that settles it. YAOI EVERY THREAD!

[Menarker]

Well that settles it. YAOI EVERY THREAD!

Hell no!

AB still has a bunch of pics that he has selected and stored up. Heck, even a few that I "recommended".

[Bard The 5th LW]

Doesn't matter, I can still post 'em. :dance:

[Astral Harmony]

So...a naughty Pokemon picture and one of Bard's yaoi drawings? I guess we'll just have to settle.

No, no, go ahead and try to stop Bard. I'll wait. God, I got so much work to do. I really shouldn't've wasted that server downtime.

I mean, I'd totally stop Bard myself but...y'know, that Konata Izumi avatar she's rockin' is totally awesome.

[Menarker]

Well, ok then.

AB posted one awesome pic in the thread we ditched... then BARD made this one and posted two pics, one strictly Yaoi and one hinting at one!

So, I'm posting THIS to even it out.

http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a469/PokemonUmbral/PokemonUmbral18.jpg

[Bard The 5th LW]

No never again.

You sicken me Menarker.

Ruining my childhood memories and shit.

Shame on you.

[Menarker]

:D

THAT is my deterrent to encourage you to think twice before submitting more yaoi. Among all the other brain-bleach worthy suggestions I made in the past. ^,^

[Bard The 5th LW]

WELL CLEARLY MORE YAOI IS THE DETERRENT FOR YOUR IMAGES!

[Dracorion]

I am torn.

On one hand, to encourage this competition and all other possible situations like it, and even start them, would spiral out of control so hard and so fast no one, not even myself, could possibly keep track of it all. This RP would be in very real danger of collapsing into a literal swirling vortex of entropy.

On the other hand, this is a very desirable outcome. It would be so beautiful I could cry.

[Astral Harmony]

I should be able to complete the RP post tonight. I've got a gun shoot today so I dunno when I'll get back.

Incidentally, since Geminex's mailbox is full, I'll just go ahead and put it out here:

Geminex, let's face it. Impact wouldn't be able to conquer the world on his own, nor could he manipulate anything, and even becoming a demon won't get you the ability to change this. The only evidence one needs to prove this is revealed consistently through your posts. Eldys Asherah is your one and only chance of ruling the world, and if you want her help, you're going to have to play it by her rules. That means that you will not, I repeat will not, look like any kind of hero of the people. It will never happen, so accept it or I'll give the invitation of becoming the villain to someone else, or just have an NPC do it. Eldys COULD do it all on her own and it would actually be easier to have her do so.

I...just don't know how I can make it more black and white for you. Think about it. Renny was chosen to be the leader twice before I had to cave and make you the leader to avoid an in-RP massacre. Didn't you think that maybe Impact's own shortcomings were the reason instead of it being some huge mistake by me? And believe me, those shortcomings are definitely no small thing.

[Dracorion]

Oh.

Oh.

Oh AB, I think I love you even more.

Who's Eldys Asherah, by the way?

Also, what particular flaws keep Pierce from being the leader? You know, aside from being played by, well, me. I figure, it'd be nice knowing all of 'em so I can work on 'em.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh.Oh AB, I think I love you even more.

DracXAB

OTP

[DanteFalcon]

Shows done. Gonna take the day to relax. Expect a post from me tomorrow.

[Dracorion]

I find myself extremely tempted to break off my deal with Geminex and reclaim my bid for leadership. It would totally fit with my new goal of furthering this RP's decent into anarchy and chaos.

But I mean, it's a deal. I couldn't.

Well, I could.

But I shouldn't.

Then again, you gotta commit to something. Might as well be chaos.

I really really shouldn't.

Nah, I'm not going to.

I'm serious! I won't do it!

Stop looking at me like that, Gem! I said I won't do it!

Okay, fine, I swear I won't do it. Happy now?

[Menarker]

Since AB announced he's making his post later on, I'll assume the plan has been finalized and I'll work on it.


Also, what particular flaws keep Pierce from being the leader? You know, aside from being played by, well, me. I figure, it'd be nice knowing all of 'em so I can work on 'em.

Can I offer my insight? Although AB might have other ideas. AB, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think Pierce doesn't exactly have "flaws" so much as "personality incompatibility" within PATCA's highly law oriented culture.

I see Pierce as the sort of guy who would be praised and acclaimed in newspapers as a mini-celebrity after performing some death-defying act of heroics. At the same time, he would be chewed out by his superiors for his death-defying stunts which probably break all sorts of rules and conducts as well being potentially risky for himself, the mission and his allies.

Rayleen is highly focused on her political career as much as she values the well-being of the world and the people under her command. She would very much rather choose someone who exemplified "leadership" in the sort of "lawful" and "correct" manner while still being a wholesome decent guy if possible. That person in question should not just seek law and order and peace as an end result, but also try to LIVE IT as much as possible.

Let's take Renny for example since he's the one who has been nominated several times (by Rayleen and AB). In spite of his age, he has demostrated talent and skills that is very commendable, although this is not unique to him as others have shown the same. However, the way he conducts himself is consistently in keeping with the lawful and decent manners by which Rayleen see as a good leader. He is respectable of the decisions of the higher-ups, doesn't engage in ego-stroking such as trashtalk, and keeps his focus on urgent matters (such as when he attended to Kurika nigh instantly when the combat was over, because he wouldn't know if they might be ambushed later on or attacked by the ruin generals who ended the fight). In his conducts with relatively untrusted recruits like Shannon, he was diplomatic and at least contributed to ensuring her continuing support.

Pierce, on the other hand, has noteworthy skills as well. However, his "behavior" shoots any chance of leadership in the foot because they are/seem rather chaotic in execution even if used to fulfill lawful/good means. That same chaos or "personal freedom" also shows in his behavior to speak his mind and act "inappropriately". Things like contributing to insulting Shannon when she was introduced as the new recruit as per her parole (which was a decision from higher up) to the point that Rachel had to repeatably attempt to defuse the situation, harrassing and provoking enemies or potential hostiles (defeated or otherwise) such as Discord or the Ruin Generals who ended the battle early (potentially sparking another fight when everyone was still freshly wounded and exhausted from the previous fight), or supposably your upcoming sidequest where Pierce runs off on his own which probably is a conduct violation or at least viewed upon very poorly as being reckless or something.

If PATCA was to end up being disbanded or follow a new code of operation, becoming more of a free-for-all vilgilante group (something more like the Star Wars Rebel Alliance) instead of a berucratic lawful system, Pierce would definately have a better chance of becoming leader. However, as things stand, Pierce being too eager to speak his mind and act with total freedom in chaotic and reckless fashion makes him less of a candidate for leadership in PATCA or Rayleen's eyes. He would be an EXCELLENT "grunt" just because he has skill and talent, but he lets his emotions run too freely, as opposed to Renny whose actions are strongly guided in by his personal philosophy of diplomacy and kindness and tactfulness to the point that it is personally innate to him.

"The most reliable proof of success is consistant behavior that leads to success."

Renny consistantly behaves in the same manner that is sure to keep his friends/allies safe and avoid needless strife. Pierce DOES have the skill and potential to become diplomatic, but he is too eager to serve his ego and bash the targets he dislike or try to prove how great he is, and thus does not consistantly show that he is leadership quality. While Renny's actions may not be the sort of "heroics" that would get him on the front page, the way he treats others and the way he conducts himself is closer to how Rayleen envisions someone who takes a more administrative role to be like. For a serious role like leader, where the pressure is intense, the lives of your subordinates are at stake, and where you are ultimately responsible for their successes and their failures, reliability is pretty key.

[Dracorion]

I contest your claim that Rayleen is focused on her political career.

I'm pretty sure if we tried to make a list of all the rules and protocols she's blatantly and more than willingly violated over the course of the RP we'd probably never finish.

And come on, Pierce is totally respectful of his superiors! He likes to speak his mind, sure. He's always going to. But he's not the kind of guy who stubbornly keeps to his opinions. He's more than capable of considering that he's wrong.

Also, he doesn't just beat up whoever looks to be the bad guys. Back in the mansion, he's the one who asked everyone to spare zombie Whitney and Wyatt if possible. He's the one that voiced the concern that Primal Exist may be innocent. And he did kinda sorta try to recruit Pokegeddon, but that was more like a half-taunt.

He has his fun, sure, but name one time he has ever put the team in danger. Everyone he ever taunted was already trying to kill them, except for Twiloch and Marionata. And as for those two, they did save the team, and Pierce knows that, even if he didn't like them stealing his win. He knew they wouldn't have exactly gotten all pissed and tried to kill everyone over his silly tantrum.

And Discord, well, he just doesn't like her. She's given no evidence of being anything other than a bitch. And he doesn't quite approve of her and Lucian's, ermm... profession. Rather hypocritical, I know, but he didn't particularly enjoy being a thief (except occassionally when things got really heated) and he left that life by choice and very much likes working for PATCA. And contrary to Discord and Lucian he's trying to redeem himself for what he did.

Admittedly, his treatment of the Shannon situation was wrong, but that's got nothing to do with her. He's just jealous of Renny.

Also, Pierce doesn't serve his ego. Ever. He's actually very self-deprecating. He only likes to have his fun.

As for running off during his sidequest, that is very very wrong and he's going to know that straight from the beginning, but he'll do it anyway. There's some stuff he wants to take care of without the team finding out, because he's ashamed of it, and damned if there's anything anyone can do to stop him, including the bad guys.

He'll be wrong about that, of course, but frankly when Pierce Hulks out he really does become the mindless Hulk. That's why it takes a lot to piss him off enough to get into that state. You'll see during his sidequest.

To sum up: yes, Pierce is far from perfect, but he's more than capable of getting past that. If someone gave him a leadership position right now, he'd put his happy-go-lucky'ing aside and step up to the plate, and stop taunting enemies. The other stuff, not so much. He's going to need some help with that.

[Menarker]

Well, AB himself said that Rayleen is focused on her career several discussion threads back. Not to the same extent as some power-mongers, but still rather focused on it.

I said Pierce was disrespectful of his superiors based on the Shannon thing. The higher ups decided that she would join the group and regardless of the real reason why Pierce behaved the way he did, he DID express distrust and dislike and effectively undermined the superior's intent. Mind you, normally Pierce is respectful. But think of a supervisor or higher up. Do most bosses instintively remember all the good things you done? No. Out of human nature, most of them recall the wrong things you have done, remember your demerits. It will take several instances of bucking up to prove that Pierce has grown up past that.

As for Pierce knowing that the Psychic and Dark ruin general wouldn't turn on the group, that's pretty bull. The group have no way of knowing whether the ruin generals were easy to anger, prideful and any of that sort of thing. Pierce BELIEVED that someone who took the effort to save them wouldn't then try to attack them, but it was still risky behavior, given the group's sorry injuried state against 2 rested ruin generals (and the group had no reason to trust any of them aside from Lexhur at the time).

You say that Pierce doesn't serve his ego but just wants to have "fun"? Fine fine. Rayleen might still think "fun" should be left on the sideline during a mission.

For your sidequest, I was just guessing based on the little I know. It's still "risky" and reckless to go by oneself, so Rayleen might think he lacked some sort of wisdom or whatever. Just brainstorming here.

Basically, think of it as an interview. "What behavior or traits or deeds have you consistantly shown that should prove to me that you are the sort of person that is ideal for a leader? Why should I make you leader now instead of someone else while waiting for you to prove your leadership quality at a lower level and work your way up?"

I said before that Pierce has the capability of being heroic and I already said that he had good traits. But Rayleen may not think of him as a leader because she hasn't SEEN those leadership traits or not consistantly. Yes, Pierce could easily buck up if he was offered the position, but anyone could claim that. Rayleen probably sees proof in Renny's behavior despite him not trying to be a leader. The sort who doesn't need to be in a grand position to buck up. All hypothetical thinking, of course.

Not saying that Renny SHOULD be leader, but just guessing AB's portrayal of Rayleen's perception.


EDIT: GAHHHHH! That RP thread is glitched too! It ate my post and did the same thing that happened in the last one! (The double post limit thing. I can still see people's post thankfully.)

AB! You need to make another RP thread to continue on! We have to ditch that one that existed before the downtime just like the previous discussion thread.

[Bard The 5th LW]

You guys just wait. The decision will become clear.

Rayleen: Good news everyone! I have decided who will be the new leader in my absence.
Pierce/Renny/Impact: *gets ready for promotion*
Rayleen: A good leader is said to have compassion. They put the pwople above their objectives, and strive for the greater good.
Pierce/Renny/Impact: *Really impatient*
Rayleen: So I have chosen Charlotte! Who embodies none of those.
Pierce/Renny/Impact: WHAT!
Rayleen: Yes, cold and efficient Charlotte.
Charlotte: Well, I do think of human life as expendable.

[Dracorion]

Ahem.

"Demon, here." Rayleen reported. "We're making good progress on our end."
"Demon, you're fuckin' brutal." Harliette said. "Like that stiff over there. Did you have to kick him twice in the testicles before you twisted his neck a hundred-eighty degrees?"
"Well...I may have been a little angry."
"You keep saying that you hate Burkmont, but I didn't think it was this extreme. I want a story when we get back."
"Sure, we'll have a big slumber party or something."

This proves several points I'm making.

Well, yeah, Pierce believed Twiloch and Marionata wouldn't attack the team. It doesn't seem that wild a guess, really. You know, seeing as they did show up and save the team and were kinda sorta nice.

And yes, of course him running off half-cocked during his sidequest is a giant fuck up. Rayleen will know that and even Pierce knows that. But it's going to be somewhat understandable why.

You're shitting me about the RP thread, right?

EDIT: Yeah Menarker, I just posted there. You're wrong.

[Menarker]

No, remember the last discussion thread? After the downtime, we had several posts discussing our plans. Many hours later after several more posts, the glitch wiped out tons of posts that never came back.

I'm saying that thread did the exact "can't post twice in the same time frame" thing that it did to me and Bard the last time before the posts got deleted. I'd take notice of those syntomns pretty seriously. Better safe than sorry to make a new thread.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Actually the 'can't post twice' happened to me in a few threads. And it still posted. It just assumed I was double posting.

And I suppose I can make a new thread. Is that what you want Menarker? More Yaoi?

[Dracorion]

Man, I dunno what it did to you but I didn't get the "can't post twice" thing. Admittedly, I didn't try to post at all last thread after it glitched.

[Menarker]

Actually the 'can't post twice' happened to me in a few threads. And it still posted. It just assumed I was double posting.

And I suppose I can make a new thread. Is that what you want Menarker? More Yaoi?

Technically, I said the RP thread, which we don't have the tradition of posting a pic on the first post. And I was asking AB too.

*Mad about it eating my post.*


EDIT: ANYHOW! AB, Here is the plan for your easy reference.

Moon: Construct Power Amplifier.
Rachel: Rage Rocket on Impact, Rage Rocket on Renny.
Impact: HV Rifle on Tinkerer, STAB due to armor. Use Signature Sequence Command, Control and Communications, pays for Milsha, Kurika, Cecilia, Aster and Shannon.
Pierce: Aria to use Thunder on Honchcrow. STAB and Amplified.
Signature Sequence Solidarity Counter on Golduck Pokebrid, Noctowl, HoA Acolyte A, Steelix, Kingdra Pokebrid and Pelipper.
Kurika: Devil's Dance on Bibarel. Fighting Type tech bypass Wonderguard by hitting Normal type weakness to Fighting. OHKO Bibarel.
Matthias: Sleep Powder on HoA Acolyte B.
Milsha: Fatal Five Strike on Tinkerer. Flinched on top of a bunch of status afflictions (Although Tinkerer is immune to paralyze). 50% chance of Instant Death (If Tinkerer does die, redirect other attackers to another target.)
Shannon: Florescence to use Worry Seed on Steelix to remove Sturdy.
Renny: Swampert Mimic Worry Seed on Pelipper to remove Volt Absorb.
Magnezone Thunders Pelipper. STAB and Amplified.
Wilhelmina: OHKO Steelix with Sniper Instant Kill.
Charlotte: Super Fang HoA Healer with Spitz.
Thunder on Pelipper with Pike. STAB and Amplified.
Moon (2nd): Fathom to use Blizzard on Honchcrow and HoA Healer. Amplified.
Shannon (2nd): Abomasnow to use Blizzard on Honchcrow and HoA Healer. STAB and Amplified.
Harliette: Illumise to use Helping hand on Harliette.
Vespiquen use STAB Attack Order on Tinkerer (High crit chance). If Tinkerer is dead, target HoA Acolyte A.
Charge Shot on Noctowl. Amplified.
Cecilia: Bo Strike on HoA Tinkerer. If it's dead, target Noctowl with Amplified Splash Bomb.
Aster: Switch to Gastrodon, Brine on HoA Healer. STAB and Amplified. Has 130 Power before STAB and amplification due to Healer being half dead before attack.
Trainer Attacks: Target HoA Acolyte A.

End Result:

Noctowl: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. One Helping Handed Amplified super-effective attack.
HoA Acolyte A: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.
HoA Acolyte B: Asleep.
Steelix: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. OHKOed.
Pelipper: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter. 2 quad effective STAB Amplified attacks. Deemed KOed.
HoA Tinkerer: Milsha's Final Five Strike, one STAB neutral damage Slayer attack, one neutral damage attack. Deemed KOed. Flinched if not dead.
Bibarel: OHKOed.
Honchkrow: One super effective move, two STABed super-effective moves, all Amplified. Deemed Koed.
HoA Healer: Super Fanged, two STAB amplified neutral damage attacks, one STAB neutral damage 130-power Amplified attack. Deemed KOed.
Toxicroak: Untouched
Golduck Pokebrid: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.
Kingdra Pokebrid: Turn nullified by Solidarity Counter.

[Dracorion]

Y'tried posting again?

[Menarker]

Took me quite a while to write the post and it disappeared. >_<

It's nothing really super special though. Renny impressed with Kurika, starting to see her somewhat like a role model although says nothing of the sort. Rejoins the group for the fight, agrees with Pierce's assessment but adds that Pelipper and Steelix seem like big threats too. Notes to Impact that most of them are trained to avoid standard combat tactics and firearms (physical evasion) and that the group should mostly focus on special attacks and should probably come up with some unconventional ideas. (Hinting that Moon should use Special amplifier and Shannon should probably pipe up with her pokemon's ability to use Worry Seed.) Has Swampert and Magnezone on the field.

[Dracorion]

Just post something stupid like "test" just to, y'know, TEST IT.

[Menarker]

I'm saying that in the previous thread that even when it did the "cannot post twice thing", the thread still worked for a period of time (people were posting on it), until something triggered the glitch and wiped stuff. I'd rather not tempt fate.

EDIT: BTW, the plan we agreed on, I updated it above (the one I colored for AB) just to touch up on moves, adding which ones were STAB, amp and what not as well as a few details.

[Dracorion]

Phhhbbttt.

I went and deleted my test post and then posted my real post and the thread hasn't glitched.

I betcha if I posted again it still wouldn't glitch.

[Astral Harmony]

Evening guys. Got home waaaay too late to do anything but laundry, eat a bowl of stupid, and peace the hell out watching this or that harem anime. Maybe Familiar of Zero.

Honestly, there's nothing stopping Pierce from becoming leader...except Impact. I'm certain that's obvious to all of us. Incidentally, I do recall suggesting a climatic battle on a runaway train heading towards a dead drop during a terrible thunderstorm.

Eldys Asherah is an enigma and even though it won't be long before she's introduced, much will remain a mystery about her until a good bit of the sequel has passed. Basically, she's an extremely sexy elven chick with a killer staff and tattoos that make her seem wild and even more ravishing than she already does. She's got her own reasons for believing Impact would be a good candidate (what "candidate" refers to will not yet be revealed, but more of Mena-chan's wild conjecturing might hit the mark) and intends to help him achieve his goal because god forbid Impact has the natural talent for becoming a world conqueror on his own. You know Lucretia from Suikoden V, the extremely knowledgable and beautiful tactician? Eldys is that type of woman, but she also brings formidable powers of her own. She's not up to Dinner's level. More like Ruin General or Gabriel Force strength. She will be instrumental in Impact's plans to become the villain, so long as he doesn't do anything to screw it all up and just does as she tells him to.

EDIT: As for post glitches, just do what I do. Copy. You don't exactly have to put it in a notepad or whatever, but just selecting it all and choosing to copy will make sure you still have the post in case there's some server hiccups.

[Dracorion]

Clearly, there is only one possible course of action here:

Kill Geminex.

AB can take over controlling Impact. He'd probably do a better job of it.

All in favor say "Aye!"

[Geminex]

The reason Impact is still the leader is that I had 15 minutes to come up with a plan, I had minimal info on our enemy or the resources available to us, and when I had formulated a plan, my laptop deleted it and I had to post what bits of it I remembered once I reached the internet cafe.

And despite all of that, looking at the plan we've finalized, it seems uncannily similar to teh one I proposed.

Soooo... yeah. If there were a contest for leadership, I'd do what I could to have the final decision depend on some sort of large-scale battle between the parties (probably just a punch-pulling contest, to prove our worth). And as long as the forces at our disposal were of appreciable size, I am moderately certain that I would come out ahead.

Also, we're trying to save the world here. Respecting the lives of your peers and superiors is real nice and all. But I was under the impression that we're attempting to save literally everyone, here. Any sacrifice that makes success more likely is justified a thousand times over.

Impact: Or don't you care about the billions of lives we're trying to save, Renny? Are you a corrupt little maggot, too enclosed in your own little world, too unwilling to truly comprehend the magnitude of our mission, that you'll let petty morality and concepts like "right" and "wrong" dictate your actions? You're competent, I will submit. But you aren't ruthless, and that... that would doom our cause. Place your competence in the service of one who can use it to benefit the greater good, Renny. Or are you arrogant as well, arrogant enough to insist that you would suffice as our leader?

...

Ahem.

Oh, and "Aye!".
Seriously, I'd like to see you try.

[Dracorion]

Oh don't tempt me.

Anyway, making Impact a ruthless bastard is so not helping to look like the hero.

Yes, of course my plan looks like yours! It also looks like Menarker's!

That's because I put them both together! And you know that! It's a cute trick, but goddamn man.

Also, if it came down to a large-scale battle Impact would get ganged up on and then the survivors would duke it out amongst themselves.

[Geminex]

I DO NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE A HERO!

I want to get a n(CLASSIFIED)to i(CLASSIFIED)r, in the process not only liq(CLASSIFIED)ip, but also providing an e(CLASSIFIED), such as (CLASSIFIED)! Looking like a hero would ju(CLASSIFIED)ages, (because obviously, when (CLASSIFIED) and Impact (CLASSIFIED),that's bound to (CLASSIFIED))!!!

Get it? :dance:

Edit: I maintain that a pretty big chunk of it is mine. Everything from Moon's amplifier, to using Worry Seed to stop the enemy's skills from being effective, to using Wilhelmina's OHKO technique as well as Kurika's, was suggested by my goodself. There's a few errors in the revised version (like, why is Toxicroak not getting flinched by the flinch-tech?), but I don't wanna spend time on it now, there's other things to do, and besides, those errors are yours.
BUT HEY, I'M GONNA BE HUMBLE NOW AND STOP CLAIMING CREDIT. IN FACT, I DON'T EVEN NEED IMPACT TO GIVE THOSE ORDERS! PIERCE CAN HAVE ANOTHER TURN. OR RENNY! JUST ASSUME THAT IMPACT SUGGESTED THE AMPLIFIER, THE WORRY SEEDS AND MAYBE THE GENERAL SCHEME OF CRIPPLING THE ENEMY TO BEGIN WITH AND OHKOING THEIR PRIMARY TARGETS.

[Dracorion]

Fair enough. I'd like to see Impact give that little speech to Pierce or Renny, though.

They'd shut him down so hard like you would not believe.

Anyway, I'd like to propose you a deal. Let me our of my deal to have Pierce support Impact and in exchange Enmakki won't mindfuck Impact into becoming a crappy evil overlord who overlooks obvious details so that Pierce can easily overthrow him in the future.

Also, Impact won't be required to support him. And if Pierce makes leader over Renny, Pierce will seriously and respectfully consider his opinions even if Impact ends up being that guy that constantly questions the leader's orders.

Alternate deal:

I have complete control over what happens in my sidequest. I should say, the death of a teammate ought to add nicely to Pierce's ever-growing inner turmoil, don't you think?

I'm sure AB would let you come up with another character provided they're not an Impact-clone or anything close to Impact.

Y'know, unless you let me out of the deal.



Oh wow, I love this post? Don't you love this post? I love this post.

I mean, it's all bullshit but I love this post.

EDIT: Toxicroak isn't getting flinched because SOLIDARITY COUNTER ONLY WORKS ON ADJACENT ENEMIES. Also, Menarker came up with having Kurika use her OHKO tech, and switching the enemies' abilities (which you improved with Worry Seed). And I remember Menarker was the first to ask about Worry Seed even if he didn't include it in his plan.

[Geminex]

Ok, seriously. We need to get together, and we need to train you. Because right now, none of your threats are any good. At all. I mean, the content is mildly threatening (though, yeah, bullshit), but seriously, your manner and method are just... rock bottom. They physically hurt. Honestly, man, you need to practice. I'll send you a PM, give you some pointers. If that doesn't help... I unno, stick to writing erotic slashfics, I guess.

Also, when did the revolution start? AB threatened that someone else would be the villain if I didn't stop wanting to make Impact the hero (though, like I said, I never did), and he said there was a reason that Renny had been chosen as leader first. But I don't actually think he said that Impact was no longer leader, or was likely to be demoted...

[Dracorion]

I would like to retract my statement about Menarker being the one to ask about Worry Seed. Turns out it was you that first mentioned it.

Anyway, half the fun in my making threats is in the fact that they're horrible. Not sure I want to change that.

Also, the revolution started because I'm pretty sure AB would rather have someone else be leader over Impact. The only reason Impact ever made leader was, in AB's words, "to avoid an in-RP massacre".

[Geminex]

I thought Impact was pronounced leader because I got everyone's support. That was the ENTIRE FREAKING POINT.

And why would he rather have someone else be leader? AB's thought that I wanted Impact to be the hero, because I mentioned the words 'hero of the people' to illustrate something. That's the only reason any of this ever started.

[Dracorion]

Well, yeah, that's what I meant by "avoid in-RP massacre". You would've had Impact murder Renny or worse if AB didn't cave.

And I'm pretty sure he'd rather have someone else be leader considering he, y'know, VOTED RENNY LEADER.

[Geminex]

What? God no. I'm not that big an asshole. I would've been really annoyed, and proooobably derailed the RP with my constant attempts not to have my character be commanded by a self-righteous 16-year old, but I wouldn't have sabotaged the whole thing.

Very well, then how about 'why are we reevaluating the decision'?

[Dracorion]

Because you're an asshole and Impact isn't that likeable and extremely creepy and an asshole?

Also, how is derailment not sabotage?

[Geminex]

Well, here was me thinking that we were trying to select a competent officer. I seem to have happened on a popularity contest instead, please do excuse me.

Though you're aware that I don't actually mean 90% of the asshole things I say?
Or, well, that I say to other people. I mean every single insult I ever expressed towards you.
Every single one.

[Dracorion]

Everyone's competent, man.

Especially if we, the players, get together every turn to come up with a plan.

I suppose you could sabotage that, of course, but you shouldn't.

So it does come down to a popularity content.

Also, but I thought you loved me!

[Menarker]

If I could just defend myself for just a sec Gem, since I just woke up.

I wasn't trying to become leader at all. Hell, the first time I found out, I did a complete spit-take on my screen with my mouth full of milk and choking on my windpipe. I know it might have seen awfully "fortunate" that it happened during my sidequest, but I never requested my character to have any sort of commanding role. And I'm not re-evaluating whether Impact should be leader or not.

Drac was just asking AB if he personally thought Drac had any particular flaws from becoming leader because he said that Impact would not seriously look like a hero to PATCA and that Rayleen was probably reluctant to make Impact leader at the time or so. I took it upon myself to go about my conjectures/evaluation of what I thought of the relationship between Pierce/Rayleen/PATCA as a whole.

We know that Renny has a high chance of being the leader because of whatever combination of skill and popularity and because AB chose him. But I'm not trying to insist that Renny SHOULD be leader or nor am I intending to roleplay any differently in the attempt to get leadership. Renny will still pretty much be the same ol' Renny, character development notwithstanding.

Also, as for my role in the plan, I came up with the huge lists of traits and trends among the foes, organizing the threat rating and came up with a base line plan for which to develop a line of attack.
As for why I said Renny would suggest that the team should focus "special attack", I figured it would be because that's the most "obvious" yet "helpful" suggestion that is roleplayable to suggestion due to the data accumulated from the scouters hinted that most of the foes are immune to physical attacks. Other characters like Shannon should be able to contribute their "unique tactics" like Worry Seed or what not.

[Dracorion]

Though if we do end up choosing a new leader and Renny gets picked over Pierce, be aware that Renny will die.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its a pointless threat. With Charlotte around, you will all die anyways.

Edit: Geminex, I demand that whenever Impact speaks, he uses Impact font rather than a color.

[Astral Harmony]

Do not use Impact Font. That's a little difficult to read.

I apologize to Geminex for putting all that out on a public thread. I think the main problem is that Geminex wants there to be a reason for all that he's going to end up doing. All I can think of is "Why does he need a reason? He's goddamn evil!"

Evil people haven't needed reasons since the Super Mario Brothers, even though it turned out that King Koopa kidnapped Peach because he was in love with her.

Anyways, I read everything, but I'm very pressed for time. I'll catch up and hopefully deal with everything when I get offa work.

[Dracorion]

I apologize to Geminex for putting all that out on a public thread.

Hell, I'm not.

I think the main problem is that Geminex wants there to be a reason for all that he's going to end up doing. All I can think of is "Why does he need a reason? He's goddamn evil!"

That's true. All it takes is the firm belief that the world is better off with him ruling it.

Anyways, I read everything, but I'm very pressed for time. I'll catch up and hopefully deal with everything when I get offa work.

Really? You sure you can't post now? Because, y'know, Menarker hasn't posted yet and it would be hilarious if he came back because he finished his awesome post that got eaten before just to find out that we've already moved on.

Nah, I'm just playin', take your time.

[Astral Harmony]

I got off of work early, and now I'm the one who is torn.

See, there's this Pokemon Umbral RP that I happen to be GMing.

But then, to my direct left, there's this little bundle of H-games that I just got in the mail.

It's so hard to juggle hobbies, y'know?

Relax, I'll have the post done tonight. I've waited over half a year for these games since they were announced. A little more time certainly wouldn't kill me.

EDIT 1: I'm not trying to bash Geminex or anything, but the ultimate problem lies in him getting to conquer the world the way he wants to. I've allowed for a lot of ridiculousness in this RP. A Lopunny sniping an airship out of the air and onto her enemies. Drunken women playing Twister with a half-demon lesbian. A train on tank treads with a huge laser cannon inside his chassis and a british accent. A Seaking who begins everything he says with "Fuck yeah!" A black Miltank Pokebrid codenamed Milkshake because she brings all the boys to the yard. An andromaid sniper wearing a dominatrix outfit underneath her maid outfit. A goth Gardevoir. An Almighty type demon that can be captured and trained like a Pokemon. References to popular Internet memes despite the fact that the original Pokemon world only seems to use the Internet for trading and battling Pokemon internationally. Letting Pierce make love to Shizuka.

Lots and lots of ridiculousness, eh? But the plot is ever-present, and sometimes not even I can bend it to allow for certain things. I'm sorry, Geminex, but even the mighty GM's hands are tied on this issue. I want to give you what you want because, yes, I truely believe that everyone should have fun in this RP and think you deserve what you want. But there are places where my floodgates must come down and cockblock you, much to my chagrin, and that goes for the other players.

[Dracorion]

Oh AB, where did you go wrong?

[Menarker]

Well, my post is up, so AB is free to post any time he wants I suppose.

Gee... between everyone trying to kill someone (aside from Renny and perhaps Matthias), I'm suprised nothing bad has happened yet.

Hell, I got some weird Monty Python thing going on in my head!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PuZoLkvmBbc/SpG0egQkmSI/AAAAAAAAD3E/pWy0_74S6NA/s320/Three-Headed+Knight.jpg
Impact: "I wanna kill Pierce!"
Pierce: "I wanna kill Impact! And Renny!"
Charlotte: " I wanna kill all of you!"
Renny: "Can't we just get along? I don't want to kill anyone!"
Impact: "You're just a whiny bitchy spoilsport!"
Pierce: "You just don't want to get killed!"
Renny: "In case you haven't noticed, Charlotte wants to kill both of you too! I just want to have tea and biscuit and we all be one happy family!"
Charlotte: "Shut up, Shut Up, SHUT UP!!! We'll compromise..."
Renny: "Wow... really? That's really big of you. What's the compromise?"
Charlotte: "We'll kill Renny only and we'll have tea and biscuit! Agreed?"
Pierce and Impact: "Awesome! Agreed"
Renny: "Wait, I don't like that plan at...!" *LOP, THUD. Renny's head rolls on the ground.*

>_> Yeah...

[Astral Harmony]

Oh AB, where did you go wrong?

Silly Dracorian. I went wrong the same way everyone else in life went wrong. By clicking on an Internet Explorer icon.

[Dracorion]

I meant why you would choose Umbral over sweet sweet H-games.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh you guys.

[Dracorion]

Also, real men use at least Firefox.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Also, real men use at least Firefox.

I use firefox as a method to attain Yaoi.

[Astral Harmony]

Unless making a post takes twelve hours these days, I should have ample time to enjoy doing both.

Man, I was so pissed when one of the games turned up with an error. Fortunately, downloading an assload of video codecs fixed it. So many codecs in the world.

[Dracorion]

Makes you wonder if there are in fact more codecs in existence than are actually necessary for anything.

The only way to find out would be to fuck up as many things as possible and keep downloading codecs. Then if you fuck up everything that could possibly be fucked and there's still leftovers, you'll know.

Get to work on it Bard.

[Astral Harmony]

Post is halfway done. Jus' puttin' that out there.

[Dracorion]

It's almos twelve hours later and still no post!

For shame, AB, for shame.

EDIT: Welp, that's twelve hours! You lose!

[Astral Harmony]

Yep. Damn H-games. I guess I'm suffering a little writer's block. I'm trying to think of what the enemy's gonna do. I kinda got it, but-

Well, I guess I should just type it like usual and let the ideas flow just as I get to that point.

[Menarker]

Well, honestly lots of the foes should be flinched, OHKOed or battered into defeat, so I'd hardly imagine you need to write for much more than the few enemies that were unaffected, except for any reinforcements that come by and such.

I knew the post was going to be delayed anyhow. To AB, H-games are the harbringer of delays via the siren calls of T&A. Just wait until the 3D-DS comes out and people inevitable makes games with motion sensing and all that. *Shake the DS for bouncing boobs and what not.*

^__^

[Geminex]

Menarker: I KNOW YOU'RE CONSPIRING AGAINST ME BEHIND MY BACK I'M ONTO YOU!!
Bard: Wait, you're gonna be on Impact's side during the sequel? That's... pretty awesome. Welcome to the Kool Kids Klub, you get to live! And I might use Impact font in some sort of superpowered evil mode, like it's in my sig. I should change that sig, btw. Any suggestions? That don't involve slash fanfiction?
In regards to AB: I already put this in PM, but I'm fine if the whole world domination thing doesn't necessarily happen the way I want it, as long as it happens. I'll keep inputting ideas, and I'll certainly keep control over Impact, but what happens ultimately, that's up to AB, and that's cool.
I actually don't have anything to say to Drac, for once. How strange. Maybe I should just insult his intelligence some more, or his mother. Something to get the conversation going again.

Did I miss anything else? The leadership issue seems sorta resolved, Impact will start being less of an asshole once he realizes that it detracts from his CONTROL over the team. And that will be sufficient.

And I'm gonna miss one more post in-RP, but Impact's gonna be back after that. I'm sure you will have missed him dearly.

[Dracorion]

Menarker: I KNOW YOU'RE CONSPIRING AGAINST ME BEHIND MY BACK I'M ONTO YOU!!

It was a secret?

Bard: Wait, you're gonna be on Impact's side during the sequel? That's... pretty awesome. Welcome to the Kool Kids Klub, you get to live! And I might use Impact font in some sort of superpowered evil mode, like it's in my sig. I should change that sig, btw. Any suggestions? That don't involve slash fanfiction?

Didn't you say you're planning to betray Charlotte anyway? Make her the leader of the anti-Impact resistance or something? I forget.

Also, there's no possible way your signature couldn't have slashfiction.

In regards to AB: I already put this in PM, but I'm fine if the whole world domination thing doesn't necessarily happen the way I want it, as long as it happens. I'll keep inputting ideas, and I'll certainly keep control over Impact, but what happens ultimately, that's up to AB, and that's cool.

Well, hell, and here I thought you said a while back you wouldn't be controlling Impact for the sequel, except maybe for a post or two or to give some pointers.

I guess all my constant daring you do something got you to change your mind. Cool.

I actually don't have anything to say to Drac, for once. How strange. Maybe I should just insult his intelligence some more, or his mother. Something to get the conversation going again.

What, really? I mean, normally I'd say this means I've won the argument, but see, then you say this:

Did I miss anything else? The leadership issue seems sorta resolved, Impact will start being less of an asshole once he realizes that it detracts from his CONTROL over the team. And that will be sufficient.

And this confuses me. See, first you say you're not going to be an asshole so you don't lose your control, then you say "that will be sufficient" like an asshole and detract from your control.

Also, Impact can be slightly less of an asshole as much as he wants, unless he suddenly starts hugging pokemon and singing songs and skipping for no reason, if it comes down to a popularity contest he'd still lose.

[Astral Harmony]

S'up, bitches./Chad Warden

Don't bother looking up Chad Warden on YouTube. I mean, he's there, but you'll regret listening to his arrogant, ignorant trolling. It's like 2 Girls, 1 Cup.

Anyways, I'm back and I'll have the post done tonight. This I promise or I'll let each character get two girlfriends, which would be bad for the reason of having to juggle information on more Love Techniques.

Anywho, after settling things with Geminex (I'll respond to your latest PM tonight, GM, but I hate revealing so much about Eldys), I've decided to do something monumentally reckless.

I'm going to believe in Geminex.

I'm going to believe that Geminex will gradually and expertly transform Impact into a character that can impress people in more ways than just him swinging a mean sword and plotting the tragic and violent mutilations of his player-controlled companions.

I know. Crazy, right? But I'm still gonna.

Honestly, I dunno why I didn't finish the post last night. Bouncing jumbly action aside (if you've seen one pair of boobehs, you have actually pretty much seen them all), all I did was grind monsters in Lightning Warrior Raidy 2. Granted, the monsters are sexy women who lose much of their clothing when defeated, but meh.

[Menarker]

Two girlfriends eh? I'm pretty sure that Pierce would jump at the chance of that with Shizuka and Chizuru (Chizuru not wanting to share being a potential barrier though).

Mind you, I'm pretty certain I wouldn't mind either. ^.^

Oh right, I had a question/comment I asked a few times, but both times it either got deleted by glitches or plain ignored.

Could we have a final big upgrade upon reaching level 15, the final level? Kinda like a "momentous milestone" or point of achievement where a powerful boost is available only for reaching that particular point. A little something for living long enough to tell the tale as it is... :3

As for what exactly, I'd pretty much let you decide. (if you end up allowing it). An extra/upgraded Love-Tech, an extra pokemon slot, stat boost or something up that alley is always nice. ^^



Honestly, I dunno why I didn't finish the post last night. Bouncing jumbly action aside (if you've seen one pair of boobehs, you have actually pretty much seen them all),

Utter Blasphemy! You probably never had the experience of having someone in a very low-neck dress paying for their groceries right in front of you and have their very large and ample breasts pop out and they not notice it for 2 minutes before they pop them back in like it happened every day... >_> Yes, it happened to me when I was packing her stuff back in her cart when she was only a foot away from me...

[Astral Harmony]

Two girlfriends eh? I'm pretty sure that Pierce would jump at the chance of that with Shizuka and Chizuru (Chizuru not wanting to share being a potential barrier though).

Mind you, I'm pretty certain I wouldn't mind either. ^.^

Oh right, I had a question/comment I asked a few times, but both times it either got deleted by glitches or plain ignored.

Could we have a final big upgrade upon reaching level 15, the final level? Kinda like a "momentous milestone" or point of achievement where a powerful boost is available only for reaching that particular point. A little something for living long enough to tell the tale as it is... :3

As for what exactly, I'd pretty much let you decide. (if you end up allowing it). An extra/upgraded Love-Tech, an extra pokemon slot, stat boost or something up that alley is always nice. ^^




Utter Blasphemy! You probably never had the experience of having someone in a very low-neck dress paying for their groceries right in front of you and have their very large and ample breasts pop out and they not notice it for 2 minutes before they pop them back in like it happened every day... >_> Yes, it happened to me when I was packing her stuff back in her cart when she was only a foot away from me...

No, no final epic level achievement, but I'll start brainstorming ideas for new classes for the sequel, if that's any consolation.

As for the voluptuous maiden with the wardrobe malfunction, did you tell her that it was store policy for you not to accept tips? *rimshot*

EDIT: I need a formation update. Otherwise I'll end up using one like the formation you had for Pokegeddon.

[Dracorion]

I'm going to believe in Geminex.

What the hell did he do to you, man?

Did he take your H-games hostage or something?

No, seriously, is it something I did? Is it the immaturity? Because I can change, I promise!

EDIT: I need a formation update. Otherwise I'll end up using one like the formation you had for Pokegeddon.

What the- There's a formation in my post! The formation!

EDIT: And now Rayleen's praising Impact? What the hell is wrong with you?

[Geminex]

QUOTE]Didn't you say you're planning to betray Charlotte anyway? Make her the leader of the anti-Impact resistance or something? I forget.[/QUOTE]
Well, I was gonna have Impact betray Charlotte so Bard'd have an excuse for her to join the PCs again. But if Bard wants her to remain with Impact anyway, hell, why would I kill her? She's fun.

Well, hell, and here I thought you said a while back you wouldn't be controlling Impact for the sequel, except maybe for a post or two or to give some pointers.
I guess all my constant daring you do something got you to change your mind. Cool.

I won't control him post-for-post (besides, unless he appears in every PATCA mission, that wouldn't be possible anyway). But I'll influence the stuff he does off-screen to some degree, and when he does appear on-screen, I'll take DIRECT CONTROL.
Also, when did you ever dare me to do anything, besides killing Pierce?

Also, Impact can be slightly less of an asshole as much as he wants, unless he suddenly starts hugging pokemon and singing songs and skipping for no reason, if it comes down to a popularity contest he'd still lose.
Good thing it won't come down to popularity, then, right? Because obviously our leader doesn't have to be popular, or kind, he has to the person best suited to leading us. The person under whom our success is most likely. And for the sake of ending this argument, let's just assume that that's Impact. Or, even if it isn't, it will be.

And fuck yeah, GM trust.
Sure, I intend to develop Impact. I mean, I've developed him already, I'll certainly continue. Less absolutist, would probably be good. And less arrogant. Though if you look at him, he's really not that arrogant yet. Just biased.
Face it, Drac, Impact's not that bad a guy. He's less of an asshole than Pierce, certainly, he's good at giving orders, he ignores his prejudice far more often than he succumbs to it, he's disciplined in battle. The reason you don't like him is his player, and what you know about his future developments. But hey, just a heads up. Those developments will come into play later. When he's turning into the villain. However, and this is very important, he's not the villain yet. He's a good guy. An ally! And as for his player, you know that I'm less of an asshole than I seem. Hell, I'm the only person on your friends list! I'm pretty much an ally too.
I'm not actually sure what I'm trying to say here... Maybe just gimme a break? Impact's doing fine as leader, and unless someone suggests or does anything real imbalanced, I'm not that bad a guy either. Let's just stop the whole over-competitive thing, it's getting old.

I'm not sure about the plan. I might just have to sit this round out totally, depending on he quality of my internet connection in the next few days.

[Dracorion]

Also, when did you ever dare me to do anything, besides killing Pierce?

... Like every freaking post?

Good thing it won't come down to popularity, then, right? Because obviously our leader doesn't have to be popular, or kind, he has to the person best suited to leading us. The person under whom our success is most likely. And for the sake of ending this argument, let's just assume that that's Impact. Or, even if it isn't, it will be.

You know, just because you keep insisting on it doesn't make it true.

Like I said, everyone is equally competent, man. So all there is left is popularity.

And fuck yeah, GM trust.
Sure, I intend to develop Impact. I mean, I've developed him already, I'll certainly continue. Less absolutist, would probably be good. And less arrogant. Though if you look at him, he's really not that arrogant yet. Just biased.

I still don't know what AB's thinking.

I mean, I don't doubt that you're going to make Impact nicer. But that much? Yeah, I ain't buyin' it.

Face it, Drac, Impact's not that bad a guy. He's less of an asshole than Pierce, certainly, he's good at giving orders, he ignores his prejudice far more often than he succumbs to it, he's disciplined in battle. The reason you don't like him is his player, and what you know about his future developments. But hey, just a heads up. Those developments will come into play later. When he's turning into the villain. However, and this is very important, he's not the villain yet. He's a good guy. An ally! And as for his player, you know that I'm less of an asshole than I seem. Hell, I'm the only person on your friends list! I'm pretty much an ally too.

He's so not less of an asshole than Pierce!

Like, at all!

And, this goes back to what I said above, everyone's equally good at giving orders, everyone's equally good at putting aside prejudice and everyone's equally disciplined in battle.

Also, I'd hardly call current-Impact a good guy. Morally ambiguous seems to fit him better. An ally? Sure, supposing anyone trusts him.

Everyone's less of an asshole than they seem. And in regards to my friends list, you're the only asshole that decided to friend request me in an attempt to suck-up.

I'm not actually sure what I'm trying to say here... Maybe just gimme a break? Impact's doing fine as leader, and unless someone suggests or does anything real imbalanced, I'm not that bad a guy either. Let's just stop the whole over-competitive thing, it's getting old.

Where's the fun in that?

[Menarker]

As for the voluptuous maiden with the wardrobe malfunction, did you tell her that it was store policy for you not to accept tips? *rimshot*


^^ Haha, very witty. I didn't say anything though as I was trying very hard not to get distracted from my job (You try ignoring it 100%) and I didn't want to imply that I had an eyeful of her chest, lest I get fired for misconduct and sexual harrassment. But she wasn't even the slightest bit embarressed when she found out. Just popped them back in. Ah well. Good memory.


Anyhow, would a Pokemon Trainer's Defog count twice if someone pays 25 rage to use Divide on it?

Does it have to be specifically Defog? *Pulls out this quote from your latest database file*

- As battle continues, a condition called Fog of War will surface often. By using the move Defog, Flying type moves, and Flying type Slayer attacks, Fog of War can be cleared from the battlefield. Otherwise, it's difficult for both sides to attack each other at long range and the Snipers will be disabled.

If we decide "officially" on the users of the 3 uses of defog (or whatever counts for it like flying type moves), can you post what the enemy formation is, so we could discuss the rest of our actions? I might just think of paying Divide twice, once with Togekiss and once with Shaymin for a total of four Air Slashes, dispelling the Wall of Fog for now at least. If even one of those hit Toxicroak, 100% flinch chance is awesome. Otherwise, I guess I could have Renny use Divided Defog (switching out the confused Magnezone) and we get one other person to use Defog.

Broken Water Fountain uses Pay Day! ^.^

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hey AB: Actual friends/love interests of Charlotte won't appear until her sidequests. Would it be possible for Charlotte to replace a Love Tech with just a solo attack?

After all, Charlotte almost cares solely for herself.

[Dracorion]

Clearly the lady with the wardrobe malfunction was hoping to get a discount.

[Astral Harmony]

Sure, Divided Defog will work.

If I posted that in my database, it must be true, so yes, you can do that.

But unfortunately, you will be spending this turn with the disadvantage of not knowing which enemy is which.

So, this is what the enemy formation currently looks like:

[???? A] [???? B] [???? C] [???? D] [???? E] [???? F] [???? G] [???? H] [???? I] [???? J]

You're just going to have to work for that for this turn, and so long as you use three Fog of War-blowy-away moves, this'll be the only turn you need concern yourself with obscured enemies...at least in the main formation.

And no Charlotte, you can't switch your Love Tech with Shannon for a regular attack. That strange union might actually go somewhere...most likely on the beach.

Charlotte: "Hey, Shannon. Could you rub suntan lotion on my body?"
Shannon: "Sure, no problem. Oh, wow, your skin is so smooth."
Charlotte: "Ah...yeah, thanks."
Shannon: *undoes Charlotte's bikini top*
Charlotte: "Hey, what're you doing?"
Shannon: "Oh c'mon, Charlotte. You obviously sunbathe naked or else you would have tan lines."
Charlotte: "Well, yeah, but-oh! Don't rub there!"
Shannon: "Hey, we're both girls, right? Is it really so strange?"
Charlotte: "Just...just be gentle, okay? They're really sensitive. And don't you think you've done it enough?"
Shannon: "Just making sure you're sufficiently lotioned up. Aw, damn it."
Charlotte: "What's wrong?"
Shannon: "I need to undo your bikini bottom but I have lotion all over my hands."
Charlotte: "Is that really a problem? Well, just use your mouth to peel them off."

And now if you'll excuse me, I need to stuff some toilet paper in my nose and go to work.

[Geminex]

And, this goes back to what I said above, everyone's equally good at giving orders, everyone's equally good at putting aside prejudice and everyone's equally disciplined in battle.
No. No they're not. Why would you think that? Impact's orders are better (Seriously. Don't even question this. Sure, Pierce gets to give orders too, but if you use the fact that I let you attribute my plans to Pierce against me, then goddammit, man) he's more disciplined in general (I mean, you never heard him go on a rant about dead civillians, or have a slanging match with captured enemy combatants), and, like I said before, he's ruthless. And since it's almost guaranteed that that'll become necessary, bam. 'nother point for Impact.
Look, Renny's nicer, and better with people.
Pierce is way more heroic, and probably most likely to lead the team to a righteous self-sacrifice that'll acomplish all their goals in one fell swoop.
But Impact can do the whole 'accomplish all goals in one fell swoop' thing without any need for self-sacrifice. Unlike Renny, he wouldn't make many friends doing so, and his address to the nation upon victory would be less 'We defeated the forces of evil using teamwork and the power of love!' and more 'I led PATCA to victory. However, while the external threats to our home country have now been eliminated with minimal loss of PATCA life, the economy and social fabric is teeming with inefficiencies, with mistakes and impurities. There must be a restructuring of our country. A cleansing, of sorts. I have led PATCA to victory. And Hommnyr... Hommynr will be led to a new, brighter future. Whether it likes it, or not." Or at least that's Impact as he is now, it's already been established that he'll change. Pierce, hero, Renny, nice guy, Impact, asshole, who, despite this fact, is best at the job.
Seriously, I genuinely believe that he's the most competent leader. He makes less mistakes than Pierce or Renny, he plans ahead more than either, he has the whole ruthlessness thing going for him, he can manipulate people, even if they don't really like him. There's tons of stuff. Sure, he's shifty and sorta creepy but seriously, all the PCs have to go on is his mode of speech, and a few vague comments, so at the moment, until you get more to go on IC, that's relatively minor.
I'll try to keep proving his competence, as well. I'll convince you eventually, I'm sure. And hell, the leadership thing isn't utterly non-negotiable. Depending on what happens next in my convo with AB, I might have a grand new deal in store!

I mean, I don't doubt that you're going to make Impact nicer. But that much? Yeah, I ain't buyin' it.
Impact's gonna have some sort of epiphany (again), I'm certain of that. I'm not sure what it will be, or when it will happen, but it'll change him. He'll start being nicer once Renny makes him realize that that's the way to control people, but the epiphany will be apart from that, and it'll actually effect him deeply.
What I'm thinking right now, is that he realizes that he's been thinking too large-scale, that no individual is irrelevant, even in the large scheme of things.
That won't necessarily make him that much nicer. But it'll make him more 3-dimensional, and probably more capable as well. So that he actually will be 'impressive' in more ways than combat, manipulation, and strategy.

Plus, I'll give him a mission. Something he can use all this CONTROL in aid of. Not entirely certain what this'll be yet, either, but again. I've got ideas.

And the friend request thing was not a suck-up. Firstly, I wouldn't stoop that low, and secondly, it hardly would have affected you, even if it was. Or are you saying I can get you to make concessions during negotiations by going 'I wuv woo!"?

And finally, every PATCA member needs a screen-name. Different from the code-name. Totally different. Made up of two words which form an abstract description of said character. Impact's would be... Lessee... 'hellsTactician'? Maybe.
hT: enemy trainer using fire types
hT: supported by snipers
hT: DEPLOY water types and FLANK the enemy's left wing
hT: once enemy formation is flanked four TARGET snipers; rest TARGET fire types
hT: WAIT for it...
ht: WAIT for it...
hT: now >8/
hT: FIRE AT WILL
...
Why yes, I'm trying to make up for lack of HS with other means, thanks for asking!

And Bard, I know that I dropped this a while ago, but goddammit, just have Shannon get together with Charlotte.

[Bard The 5th LW]

CharlottexShannon is dumb. Charlotte's love technique would be a love technique, but it would consist of CharlottexCharlotte.

And we could totally talk over pesterchum. The Client is out, you just got to go to the MSPA forums. I already have it.I'd have to put some thought into a user namer for Charlotte...

[Dracorion]

No. No they're not. Why would you think that? Impact's orders are better (Seriously. Don't even question this. Sure, Pierce gets to give orders too, but if you use the fact that I let you attribute my plans to Pierce against me, then goddammit, man) he's more disciplined in general (I mean, you never heard him go on a rant about dead civillians, or have a slanging match with captured enemy combatants), and, like I said before, he's ruthless. And since it's almost guaranteed that that'll become necessary, bam. 'nother point for Impact.

Some people might consider that ruthlessness isn't actually a virtue.

It's kinda like ambition. Sometimes it's good, but most of the time it goes very very wrong.

Now, Pierce caring about dead civilians? Definitely a virtue.

Also, he can afford to taunt captured enemies because the burden of leadership ain't on his shoulders. He's still technically supporting Impact, after all.

Look, Renny's nicer, and better with people.
Pierce is way more heroic, and probably most likely to lead the team to a righteous self-sacrifice that'll acomplish all their goals in one fell swoop.
But Impact can do the whole 'accomplish all goals in one fell swoop' thing without any need for self-sacrifice. Unlike Renny, he wouldn't make many friends doing so, and his address to the nation upon victory would be less 'We defeated the forces of evil using teamwork and the power of love!' and more 'I led PATCA to victory. However, while the external threats to our home country have now been eliminated with minimal loss of PATCA life, the economy and social fabric is teeming with inefficiencies, with mistakes and impurities. There must be a restructuring of our country. A cleansing, of sorts. I have led PATCA to victory. And Hommnyr... Hommynr will be led to a new, brighter future. Whether it likes it, or not." Or at least that's Impact as he is now, it's already been established that he'll change. Pierce, hero, Renny, nice guy, Impact, asshole, who, despite this fact, is best at the job.

Hey, the only person Pierce would sacrifice is himself. And why would you complain about that?

Also, seriously, Impact's speech there? It couldn't be MORE evil if you had Palpatine write it.

Seriously, I genuinely believe that he's the most competent leader. He makes less mistakes than Pierce or Renny, he plans ahead more than either, he has the whole ruthlessness thing going for him, he can manipulate people, even if they don't really like him. There's tons of stuff. Sure, he's shifty and sorta creepy but seriously, all the PCs have to go on is his mode of speech, and a few vague comments, so at the moment, until you get more to go on IC, that's relatively minor.

Again, manipulating people might not be a virtue.

Y'see, a leader is supposed to be someone everyone can trust. And trust works even better than manipulating people when it comes to getting them to do what you want.

Renny can be trusted. Pierce (soon, anyway) can be trusted.

I'll try to keep proving his competence, as well. I'll convince you eventually, I'm sure. And hell, the leadership thing isn't utterly non-negotiable. Depending on what happens next in my convo with AB, I might have a grand new deal in store!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Impact's gonna have some sort of epiphany (again), I'm certain of that. I'm not sure what it will be, or when it will happen, but it'll change him. He'll start being nicer once Renny makes him realize that that's the way to control people, but the epiphany will be apart from that, and it'll actually effect him deeply.
What I'm thinking right now, is that he realizes that he's been thinking too large-scale, that no individual is irrelevant, even in the large scheme of things.
That won't necessarily make him that much nicer. But it'll make him more 3-dimensional, and probably more capable as well. So that he actually will be 'impressive' in more ways than combat, manipulation, and strategy.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And the friend request thing was not a suck-up. Firstly, I wouldn't stoop that low, and secondly, it hardly would have affected you, even if it was. Or are you saying I can get you to make concessions during negotiations by going 'I wuv woo!"?

Try it, I dare ya.

And finally, every PATCA member needs a screen-name. Different from the code-name. Totally different. Made up of two words which form an abstract description of said character. Impact's would be... Lessee... 'hellsTactician'? Maybe.

Pierce's would be "Impact" just to spite you.

[Menarker]

Look, Renny's nicer, and better with people.
Pierce is way more heroic, and probably most likely to lead the team to a righteous self-sacrifice that'll acomplish all their goals in one fell swoop.
But Impact can do the whole 'accomplish all goals in one fell swoop' thing without any need for self-sacrifice. Unlike Renny, he wouldn't make many friends doing so, and his address to the nation upon victory would be less 'We defeated the forces of evil using teamwork and the power of love!' and more 'I led PATCA to victory. However, while the external threats to our home country have now been eliminated with minimal loss of PATCA life, the economy and social fabric is teeming with inefficiencies, with mistakes and impurities. There must be a restructuring of our country. A cleansing, of sorts. I have led PATCA to victory. And Hommnyr... Hommynr will be led to a new, brighter future. Whether it likes it, or not." Or at least that's Impact as he is now, it's already been established that he'll change. Pierce, hero, Renny, nice guy, Impact, asshole, who, despite this fact,[I] is best at the job.

Seriously, I genuinely believe that he's the most competent leader. He makes less mistakes than Pierce or Renny, he plans ahead more than either, he has the whole ruthlessness thing going for him, he can manipulate people, even if they don't really like him. There's tons of stuff. Sure, he's shifty and sorta creepy but seriously, all the PCs have to go on is his mode of speech, and a few vague comments, so at the moment, until you get more to go on IC, that's relatively minor.
I'll try to keep proving his competence, as well. I'll convince you eventually, I'm sure. And hell, the leadership thing isn't utterly non-negotiable. Depending on what happens next in my convo with AB, I might have a grand new deal in store!


You state all this as if it was fact. I say bullshit. Of course, if you mean that Impact BELIEVES in these things, that is perfectly understandable and appropriate for the manner which you have been roleplaying him.

First, you've completely Flanderized (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization) Renny's idealism and respect for people to the point that you make it look like Renny isn't capable of thinking "realistically" or thinking like an adult. You make it sound like he got a mentality of a elementary school student.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1031144&postcount=49

Referring you to this post, which Impact was present at the location, Renny knows about people being selfish, not wanting to negotiate. That people even those like children and those who have been abused or victims of their circumstances have to be dealt with. (His group was the one that had to deal with Moera). Yes, he rather live under the belief and lifestyle of friendship and love, and he thinks teamwork is a valuable banner to rally under (Seriously, it's one of the things that screams "patriotism"), but he's not as childish as you make it seem like. Seriously, he's the age of almost graduating from High School. Plus traveling the world grants a certain level of life experience and maturity that being stuck and coddled in school doesn't grant.

Also, I don't know where the heck you get your claim of Impact making less mistakes than Pierce or Renny. Renny's group had never had any "mistakes", since both times, Renny fought pokemons with varying types, never knowing what the next type would be. Otherwise, elements had typically been taken advantage of, abilities used effectively and not wasted or hoarded to the point of uselessness. Compared to Impact who mainly fought Ruin types which all have the same weaknesses and resistances (no big suprises), Renny frankly could be seen as the better leader because he has to deal with more suprises and no set pattern of victory. Basically, it's like you're bragging about being the better leader when you're cruising Easy Mode and I'm playing Hard Mode.
(I didn't mention about Pierce's mistakes or lack there/of because both missions, he was stuck with you. =P He honestly hasn't had much of a chance of being a leader in his own right.)

As for ruthlessness and such, that's all opinion, like ambition. Just like Drac said. Heck, read the webcomic Erfworld. Has that sort of thing in detail (sounds like it would be up your alley too.) To Impact who normally fights alone (or at least without pokemons), ambition and ruthlessness has more value. To someone like Renny who has pokemon allies and uses techniques to further encourage the allies he does make, friendship and comradeship has more uses. You talk about Impact planning ahead, I'd say that Renny has the opposite trait of being "adaptable" which he had to learn from fighting pokemon/pokebrids, not knowing what element foe comes out of the next pokeballs.


Mind you, I said that the "incorrect things" you claim is appropriate for Impact to think of Renny roleplaying wise due to...

A: Neither Pierce or Impact have EVER been in the same group as Renny when he was commanding. To them, Renny's "leadership" is an informed trait that neither of them have seem first hand outside of Renny commanding his own pokemons or giving bits of advice. The NPCs may praise Renny's talent and leadership skills, and Charlotte and Matthias have seen it first hand, but neither Pierce or Impact have seen Renny in a commanding role. (Which makes it easy to understand why those two are the most vocal speaking out agianst him) *Would be neat if we had a mission where Renny DID lead while Pierce and Impact were in the group. *

B: Renny's openly affectionate nature in the beginning giving a rather particular first impression which was not well recieved by Impact or Pierce.
Mind you, your attempt to change how people view Impact and his brand of leadership is welcome (by me at least).

C: Impact leftover mentality of ruthlessness and maturity above other traits from since the very beginning of the RP. (While Impact has matured over the time period, I don't think you can deny that a good portion of what he was before and what he believed in is still a significant influence to how he acts now.)

Anyhow, I welcome your attempts to change how Impact's leadership/competence is viewed by the team, although don't think that the changes come instantly or that there won't be a few lingering doubts.

Also, you're welcome to believe that Impact is a "great" leader (Impact the character himself is welcome to believe that's the case) but keep in mind that many ruthless leaders have tried and failed, just like many good leaders have failed too. Your character's leadership traits are not superior or weaker to Renny's or Pierce. Just different. Different traits work better or worse in different situations.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Impact reminds me a little bit of Invader Zim during the episode 'Hobo 13'.

I suggest you all watch it if you haven't.

[Menarker]

Do any of you guys got any particular plans for what you guys will do, since we don't have a basis to form an educated plan?

I was thinking that this might be a good time to use Serene's Blessing. Renny has enough rage to start it up, he can use both his pokemons to use Defog (and they will be protected). Someone else can summon a pokemon with Defog or use a Flying type attack (for a total of 3 defogs) while the rest can pay rage to buy a turn of protection as we choose 2 or 3 enemy slots to focus fire at blindly.

[Dracorion]

Eeehhh...

The only characters with viable Flying-type attacks other than Renny are, what, Pierce and Matthias?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hammond ain't down yet, but he will probably be out of commision unless someone has some eyedrops with them.

[Menarker]

Harriette, Cecilia, Milsha, and Wilhelmina also have flying type slayer weapons.

EDIT: And I thought Charlotte would have taken some time during that break to heal up Hammond. ^^:

[Astral Harmony]

Hammond should be alright. I don't really give you a choice but to heal when between battles, and when the other option is a humiliating defeat, who would argue?

If I can get motivated, and I don't see why I couldn't, I intend to make this the first weekend of many where I enhance our collective enjoyment with sprite comics. I had this idea to do it for Pokegeddon, but I decided that it's probably just best to make it out the more important NPC roles.

[Dracorion]

AB, can we have Wilhelmina target the Fog itself with a flying-type attack?

[Astral Harmony]

Eh, sure. Why not. Sounds crazy enough to work.

[DanteFalcon]

WILHELMINA! ATTACK THE DARKN- I MEAN FOG!

[Dracorion]

You know, theoretically, if we throw enough attacks at it the planet could explode!

Instant win, dude!

[Astral Harmony]

WILHELMINA! ATTACK THE DARKN- I MEAN FOG!

Took the thought right out of my head.

[Menarker]

You know, theoretically, if we throw enough attacks at it the planet could explode!

Instant win, dude!

"But then we'd all be dead... Not exactly a win"
"But we'd still would have beaten them in combat! A win!"
"I guess anyone can be considered a winner if their defination of victory is flexible enough..."

[Dracorion]

Technically, we don't die! We just faint!

And then the enemies walk away! So we win!

[Menarker]

ANYHOW, Wilhelmina and both Togekiss and Shaymin can attack with flying attacks, thus serving as the 3 "defog" users. How else you guys want to fight? Spend rage to be Defensive with Serene Blessing until we find out who is what while still able to use basic attacks? Focus fire on 2 or 3 targets and hope we don't hit someone who counterattacks or so, spending rage to cause as much damage as possible in the time frame?

[Dracorion]

Focus fire. There'd be a lot of wasted turns if we played it defensive.

Still, we should make anyone with extra rage (Harliette, Charlotte?) pay for some protection.

[Menarker]

[Matthias] [Spitz] [Pike] [Bastiodon] [Illumise] [Harliette] [Vespiquen] [Togekiss] [Shaymin] [Palkia] [Aria] [Kingdra] [Fathom] [Impact] [Power Amplifier]

Ok, so Renny and his pokemons are included in the cost of Serene Blessing... The amplifier I think we can pretty much ignore. We can use rage of enforcers currently waiting behind our characters like we did last time...

Harriette can pay for 2.
Aster can pay for 1.
Cecilia can pay for 1.
Charlotte can pay for 1.

If Rachel gives a rage rocket to Charlotte, Cecilia or Aster, they can pay for an extra protection...

We could/should probably have Rachel give a rage rocket to Moon. Since Shannon has 55 rage now and Moon would have 55 afterwards, the two can do that Moonlight Disco to have the likely chance of flinching four targets (preferably the ones we aren't focusing on attacking.) We got 10 foes at the moment to deal with and with that move, we can flinch 4 of them. And that's before taking the 60% base flinch chance of Shaymin and Togekiss in account. (100% if it hits someone weak to flying and 30% if someone is resistant but not immune.)

And I just realized something. With AB setting Serene Blessing's cost to 70, I think that was intentional...
Remember how the last time that someone paid the extra 35 rage cost for Serene Blessing, that it gave an "naked angelic image" of the person who paid? Could you imagine if the cost was 65 instead and Renny was able to pay for activating AND pay the 35 rage to help someone else? >_> Everyone would SO embaressed, Renny included...
... Although that does make me think of what we would see if Charlotte ended up paying for Serene Blessing... =P


Anyhow, I'm off for work and won't be back for a bit.

[Dracorion]

I don't think anyone was thinking about naked angelic Renny, man.

Anyway, let's not use up too much Rage this turn. We don't really know what we're hitting. Most of our attacks are likely to be ineffective anyway. And we gotta think about building up Rage for the future. I'm hoping to be able to unleash all kinds of sweet hell on Miyo when she shows up.

Let's just protect the Slayers and Pokebrids, unless you can think of any of our pokemon being important enough as to need protection.

So... Cecilia can pay for Impact, Shannon can pay for Harliette and Aster can pay for Matt.

Rachel can use Rage Rockets on... whoever, but not so that person can spend them. Let's not use any Signature Techniques other than Renny's this turn at all, really.

Sure, we'd have to take most of the enemy hits but, A) when's the last time we didn't somehow disable a bunch of opponents so as not to take all of their hits? If we keep going like this, AB's going to nerf flinching, and do you really want that? and B) we can take it. Though we should probably replace Charlotte's, Harliette's, Pierce's and Moon's pokemon for more defensive ones if possible.

[Geminex]

Ah-ha-aaaaAAAAllrighty then, Menarker:

Ok, about the flanderization? That was distillation. I mean come on, are you saying that Renny wouldn't credit the victory to a) relationships between team members (trust, respect, and, most importantly, love?) b) friendship between trainers and pokemon?

Secondly, don't try to tell me about Erfworld. I am Parson. Or, well, actually, not really. What Parson does isn't reeeeally that much Strategy. It's much more thinking outside the box. Finding new ways of applying Erfworld's rules. Getting around certain restrictions. The volcano thing? That wasn't strategy. That was bullshit. Albeit highly successful bullshit.

And honestly? Ruin types easier than normal trainers? You're kidding. Seriously, what is your point here supposed to be? Renny didn't know which types were gonna be deployed next? Considering that switching pokemon is a free action, and you have enough pokemon that you'll usually have a good mix of types on the field at any time, that really doesn't in any way contribute to difficulty. At all. It's different, but it's in no way easier. Particularly since, power-wise, Ruin types blow non-ruin types out of the fucking water. AB did a good job at balancing the encounters, I think. And even if that weren't the case, in this mission so far, Impact has been way beyond Renny in terms of leadership skill.

And I'm not saying that Impact doesn't adapt. I'm saying that he doesn't rely on it, and when he plans ahead, he does plan for contingencies.

Sure, every character has different qualities. But I'm saying that Impact's various qualities make him most suitable for leadership.

Renny commanding Impact will... hopefully not happen. Like, seriously. It would be very bad for all involved. I won't say 'over my dead body', but I'm thinking it pretty hard.

And finally, that isn't what's necessarily appropriate for Impact to believe. It's actually what I think. And hell, if you can think of a good way, I'll prove it.

Aaand Drac:

Some people might consider that ruthlessness isn't actually a virtue.

It's kinda like ambition. Sometimes it's good, but most of the time it goes very very wrong.

Now, Pierce caring about dead civilians? Definitely a virtue.

See, I think everything has to be defined in terms of 'success'. A virtue (or, let's say, 'positive quality') is something that makes success more likely. Caring for civillians? Very ethical, very upstanding, but hardly improves our chances of success. In fact, depending on how much Pierce lets his care for the defenceless influence him, it might even be detrimental!

Whereas ruthlessness is the willingness to make sacrifices in pursuit of success, even if these sacrifices aren't moral, or socially acceptable. Considering the importance of the goal, it's probably going to be necessary to make a great many sacrifices. And it is going to be worth having made those sacrifices, even if it might not be very moral to do what Impact's gonna do.

Hell, you should be glad I'm offering up Impact to take on that burden. Or would either of you like to see your character have to choose between saving mankind or sacrificing their (pokemon team/close relatives/some other thing)?

Hey, the only person Pierce would sacrifice is himself. And why would you complain about that?

Also, seriously, Impact's speech there? It couldn't be MORE evil if you had Palpatine write it.

Whelp. Evil, it's what I do. And Impact does too. Though, like I said, later, he'll be less threatening. Less sinister. So much more... enlightened. And less talk of cleansing, it's too Third Reich. Now there's a hole I don't want to fall into.
And also, Pierce can be useful when he's alive! If he dies through me (while that's hardly likely) it'll be primarily through your dare.

Y'see, a leader is supposed to be someone everyone can trust. And trust works even better than manipulating people when it comes to getting them to do what you want.

Right here, right now, 'leader' is supposed to be 'the guy whose commanding will make success most likely'. And well, yeah, trust makes manipulation easier. But except for 'he's, like, totally creepy', there isn't any reason not to trust Impact. I mean, seriously. What counts more: A strange mode of speech and a few vague hints he might not like pokemon (AND OH MAN WHAT A CRIME THAT WOULD BE), or the fact that he's in charge, and will have been in charge, without screwing anyone over at all? Unless, I mean, everyone character in this RP is either massively superficial or acting on OOC knowlege?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. times two

First, why the scepticism? This is one deal that you can really benefit from! Trust me.
Seriously, if I offer you what I think I'm going to offer you, you will really regret not accepting. You all in general, but you, Drac, in particular. Though I'm not sure what I'll ask for in return...

And secondly, come on, I went from mindless bigot to cool, calculating asshole. You don't think that I can make another change?

Defensive plan looks good. If Milsha still had her rage, we could use that to pay, but OH WELL.
Yeah, pay for the people who're worth protecting. Get some water pokemon out. Use a few buffs. Prepare.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not necessarily taking a side hewre, but if we were a manga/anime, I bet Impact and Pierce would have fan-girls that battled to the death.

Seriously, those fanbases would be more violent than Drac and Gem

[DanteFalcon]

Or you know Matt is just a paranoid bastard who trusts almost no one.

[Dracorion]

Ok, about the flanderization? That was distillation. I mean come on, are you saying that Renny wouldn't credit the victory to a) relationships between team members (trust, respect, and, most importantly, love?) b) friendship between trainers and pokemon?

Honestly? I'd rather put up with that than Impact going on and on about how he and his genius led us to victory and we'd be screwed without him.

And don't even think about posting the response I know you're thinking. Seriously, don't.

Secondly, don't try to tell me about Erfworld. I am Parson. Or, well, actually, not really. What Parson does isn't reeeeally that much Strategy. It's much more thinking outside the box. Finding new ways of applying Erfworld's rules. Getting around certain restrictions. The volcano thing? That wasn't strategy. That was bullshit. Albeit highly successful bullshit.

Well to be fair, there's so many low-hanging fruit no one's exploited in Erfworld that Parson doesn't really need to do strategy yet.

And honestly? Ruin types easier than normal trainers? You're kidding. Seriously, what is your point here supposed to be? Renny didn't know which types were gonna be deployed next? Considering that switching pokemon is a free action, and you have enough pokemon that you'll usually have a good mix of types on the field at any time, that really doesn't in any way contribute to difficulty. At all. It's different, but it's in no way easier. Particularly since, power-wise, Ruin types blow non-ruin types out of the fucking water. AB did a good job at balancing the encounters, I think. And even if that weren't the case, in this mission so far, Impact has been way beyond Renny in terms of leadership skill.

And if Renny were to lead for another mission then the scores would end up tied again!

Come on, man.

Also, I think Menarker's point is that he's mostly had to deal with diverse type combinations, rather than Ruin pokemon that you pretty much just throw Dragon attacks at until they die.

And I'm not saying that Impact doesn't adapt. I'm saying that he doesn't rely on it, and when he plans ahead, he does plan for contingencies.

Eh, who doesn't?

See, I think everything has to be defined in terms of 'success'. A virtue (or, let's say, 'positive quality') is something that makes success more likely. Caring for civillians? Very ethical, very upstanding, but hardly improves our chances of success. In fact, depending on how much Pierce lets his care for the defenceless influence him, it might even be detrimental!

What about "success while upholding the virtues we're supposed to stand for" or "success without sinking as low as the fuckers were fighting"?

Pierce gets the job done, and he saves puppies while doing it.

Whereas ruthlessness is the willingness to make sacrifices in pursuit of success, even if these sacrifices aren't moral, or socially acceptable. Considering the importance of the goal, it's probably going to be necessary to make a great many sacrifices. And it is going to be worth having made those sacrifices, even if it might not be very moral to do what Impact's gonna do.

For the greater good, right?

Hell, you should be glad I'm offering up Impact to take on that burden. Or would either of you like to see your character have to choose between saving mankind or sacrificing their (pokemon team/close relatives/some other thing)?

I would, I totally would.

Pierce wouldn't, but I would.

Whelp. Evil, it's what I do. And Impact does too. Though, like I said, later, he'll be less threatening. Less sinister. So much more... enlightened. And less talk of cleansing, it's too Third Reich. Now there's a hole I don't want to fall into.
And also, Pierce can be useful when he's alive! If he dies through me (while that's hardly likely) it'll be primarily through your dare.

Bah, you're keeping secrets and hiding plans.

Right here, right now, 'leader' is supposed to be 'the guy whose commanding will make success most likely'. And well, yeah, trust makes manipulation easier. But except for 'he's, like, totally creepy', there isn't any reason not to trust Impact. I mean, seriously. What counts more: A strange mode of speech and a few vague hints he might not like pokemon (AND OH MAN WHAT A CRIME THAT WOULD BE), or the fact that he's in charge, and will have been in charge, without screwing anyone over at all? Unless, I mean, everyone character in this RP is either massively superficial or acting on OOC knowlege?

See my thoughts on "success" above.

Also, you keep purposefully undermining Impact's creepiness, not to mention general assholeishness, unappreciation of his teammates and the fact that he's probably hiding an agenda.

First, why the scepticism? This is one deal that you can really benefit from! Trust me.
Seriously, if I offer you what I think I'm going to offer you, you will really regret not accepting. You all in general, but you, Drac, in particular. Though I'm not sure what I'll ask for in return...

Keeping secrets and hiding plans.

I'm taking all of this with a fat grain of salt until you come clean.

And then I'm going to peer at it under a microscope while testing it for STDs.

And secondly, come on, I went from mindless bigot to cool, calculating asshole. You don't think that I can make another change?

Fat grain of salt.

Not necessarily taking a side hewre, but if we were a manga/anime, I bet Impact and Pierce would have fan-girls that battled to the death.

Seriously, those fanbases would be more violent than Drac and Gem

OH GOD THIS.

WE NEED TO DO THIS SOMEHOW.

EDIT: Oh God, I take it back. I just realized what's so wrong about this.

We'd be Team Edward and Team Jacob.

[Bard The 5th LW]

EDIT: Oh God, I take it back. I just realized what's so wrong about this.

We'd be Team Edward and Team Jacob.

I was going to make that comparison in the post, but I felt it would be better if the horror dawned upon you by itself.

[Dracorion]

GTFO my Bella Chizuru, motherfucker!

You're asexual anyway!

[Menarker]

Ok, about the flanderization? That was distillation. I mean come on, are you saying that Renny wouldn't credit the victory to a) relationships between team members (trust, respect, and, most importantly, love?) b) friendship between trainers and pokemon?

You basically took one aspect about him and made that the only point worth focusing on. Effectively flanderization. >_> He wouldn't go as far as you put it, because that's personal traits and motivations which not all the members share. Some of the characters on the team like Charlotte and Harriette are pretty blood-thirsty or at least not that friendly such as Matthias. He would credit it to the individual skills and talents of each of the members and that fact that they all gathered together to fight a common foe regardless of how or why they joined, which is something to be admired.


AB did a good job at balancing the encounters, I think. And even if that weren't the case, in this mission so far, Impact has been way beyond Renny in terms of leadership skill.

Firstly, Drac was on the dot regarding my point on me thinking you had it easier because you only have to peg ruin types with dragons types mostly.
Anyhow...
"In This Mission", Renny has not been ATTEMPTING to be a leader, more denigned to give advice since Impact is the designated leader as per Rayleen. It's easy to claim that Impact is showing to be more of a leader in THIS mission when Renny isn't trying to give him a run for his money. Renny however has still performed his duty of looking over his team-mates and not losing his head or getting distracted by the urge to taunt or stuff like that.


Renny commanding Impact will... hopefully not happen. Like, seriously. It would be very bad for all involved. I won't say 'over my dead body', but I'm thinking it pretty hard.

In either of the two previous missions that Renny was leader, Renny's leadership had not caused any trouble during combat. With Impact leading this mission, Renny has been pretty generally supportive/accepting of Impact's given leadership status. Thus Renny's presence is not a problem. Thus the only way that Renny's leadership can go bad when Impact is on board is if Impact was to be a sore loser or attempt to sabotage Renny openly, and if that becomes the case, everyone will know Impact to be a two-faced grunt who can only bark orders but cannot take orders from those designated as his higher-up. Which would not look good for him if Renny has an established sense of trust from his team-mates in regards to his behavior, his skills or his leadership.


Right here, right now, 'leader' is supposed to be 'the guy whose commanding will make success most likely'. And well, yeah, trust makes manipulation easier. *And other stuff in previous posts regarding malipulation or such.*



I do agree that so far, you seem to be undermining Impact's behavior such as threat of force or Kurika thing or trying to get Renny/Pierce to shut up about "backtalk" when Rayleen designated them as Impact's advisors. The hands to his head if we wanted to go metaphorically.

One of the things that interests me out of character is how you talk about malipulation and how Impact is like the ultimate in it, and how he'll shape people's influences through victory and that sort of thing, proving that he is better than everyone else at being the leader...

If that is really and truly the case, why have Impact attempt to have Mind Control?

If he really truly believed that his malpulations to bring people to respect him is valuable, doesn't the fact that you plan that ability for him means that you don't actually truly believe that malipulation but sheer outright control is the way to go? Taking the easy way out because you/Impact may not actually believe malipulation can suceed over hard-earned friendship and trust in the long run? ^,^ (Of course, it's possible that Impact just becomes evilly impatient and fed up with the individual members of PATCA, believing they are the ones holding victory back with their particular traits).

Just another crazy conjecture from me. ^^

[Geminex]

And don't even think about posting the response I know you're thinking. Seriously, don't.

I actually don't know what you're thinking of. There's no really awesomely insulting response to this that comes to mind.

And if Renny were to lead for another mission then the scores would end up tied again!
Come on, man.

Lemme just throw something out here: It's in Pierce's interest that Impact should remain leader. Not only is there the whole 'not under the command of a 16-year-old' thing, there's also the fact that under Impact, Pierece gets to give orders preeetty much every second turn. Do you have a similar deal with Menarker? I didn't think so

What about "success while upholding the virtues we're supposed to stand for" or "success without sinking as low as the fuckers were fighting"?

Pierce gets the job done, and he saves puppies while doing it.

Yeah, but in respecting the 'virtues we stand for', we decrease our chances of success. To make success most likely, we have to disregard everything other than success. And we do want to make success as likely as possible, right? Since the consequences of not succeeding would proooobably be pretty horrible.


For the greater good, right?
Wow, you're catching on!
No, seriously, I don't see how saving the world from being invaded by hordes of Ruin types is anything other than the 'greater good'.

I would, I totally would.

Pierce wouldn't, but I would.

So you're saying that they wouldn't be utterly shattered and traumatized by having to make that choice, wracked with guilt? A great... recruitment opportunity?
In that case, nice. Pierce really is more callous than he seems. You're sure he wouldn't join Impact?

Bah, you're keeping secrets and hiding plans.

Actually, I'm not. These are really just vauge allusions with no basis yet. I'll tell you about Impact's epiphany when I've arranged it, promise. Hell, maybe you can even help.

Also, you keep purposefully undermining Impact's creepiness, not to mention general assholeishness, unappreciation of his teammates and the fact that he's probably hiding an agenda.

You have to understand, they're in combat. Fighting for their lives. Impact really doesn't have any motivation to do anything but keep the team alive. Certainly he won't try to protect anyone's feelings from getting hurt because they're being unprofessional.

Keeping secrets and hiding plans.

I'm taking all of this with a fat grain of salt until you come clean.

And then I'm going to peer at it under a microscope while testing it for STDs.

Dude, this is sidequest- and sequel-related. There's so much plot-central stuff man, you wouldn't believe it. And I'm not gonna come clean with any of that. Though I promise, the deal will have no hidden catches. Come on, you've been negotiating with me for months now. Have I ever done anything like that?

Fat grain of salt.
Bluh Bluh

GTFO my Bella Chizuru, motherfucker!

You're asexual anyway!

So, wait, are you the Sparkly Vampire or the Teenage Werewolf?
Either way, my fanbase would kick your fanbase's ass.
Though why would you want fangirls? They might be flattering to begin with, but eventually they're gonna ship you with another guy, and whelp, THERE GOES YOUR DIGNITY. In fact, considering that it was Bard who suggested this, I'm almost certain that it's part of his plan to get Yuri to permeate the very fabric of pokemon Umbral. And you think I'm evil?


You basically took one aspect about him and made that the only point worth focusing on. Effectively flanderization. >_> He wouldn't go as far as you put it, because that's personal traits and motivations which not all the members share. Some of the characters on the team like Charlotte and Harriette are pretty blood-thirsty or at least not that friendly such as Matthias. He would credit it to the individual skills and talents of each of the members and that fact that they all gathered together to fight a common foe regardless of how or why they joined, which is something to be admired.

Ok, that was even more nauseatingly heart-warming than what I could have come up with. Nice one.

Firstly, Drac was on the dot regarding my point on me thinking you had it easier because you only have to peg ruin types with dragons types mostly.
Anyhow...
"In This Mission", Renny has not been ATTEMPTING to be a leader, more denigned to give advice since Impact is the designated leader as per Rayleen. It's easy to claim that Impact is showing to be more of a leader in THIS mission when Renny isn't trying to give him a run for his money. Renny however has still performed his duty of looking over his team-mates and not losing his head or getting distracted by the urge to taunt or stuff like that.

His advice really hasn't been that valuable, though.
Lemme put it this way: If Renny had been leader, and Impact his advisor, then Impact's "advice" would either have consisted of the entirety of the actual plan that they would use that turn, or the orders that Renny did give would just be way worse than the ones Impact would have given. And, once again, don't even question this. You're better at finding exploits, but I'm pretty sure that I'm beyond you in terms of large-scale tactics and strategy.

And like I said, fighting various types, that really isn't a problem. Switching pokemon is a free action, It's really easy to redeploy resources. Even if the opponent has been playing with fire pokemon so far and they suddenly deploy SIX BLASTOISE OH FUCK YOU WERE NOT EXPECTING THAT, where's the problem? Take a few water-type hits, lose a pokemon or two, then switch out until your entire team has either grass or electric moves, and wipe them out. The only possible detriment to you is that you'd lose any buffs on switched-out pokemon, but buffed pokemon don't have a very high rate of survival against Ruin types either, since they have one hell of a lot of attack power. I'm open to discussion which is harder, but I really don't think 'I had to fight different pokemon types' is a valid, or intelligent, argument.

Thus the only way that Renny's leadership can go bad when Impact is on board is if Impact was to be a sore loser or attempt to sabotage Renny openly, and if that becomes the case, everyone will know Impact to be a two-faced grunt who can only bark orders but cannot take orders from those designated as his higher-up. Which would not look good for him if Renny has an established sense of trust from his team-mates in regards to his behavior, his skills or his leadership.

Oh, come on. You don't think myself (and Impact) could come up with something more subtle than open sabotage?

Also, what's wrong with 'just barking orders' as long as they're good orders? And Renny would never be aknowleged as Impact's higher-up by him, unless it's really fucking vital to some plan.

I do agree that so far, you seem to be undermining Impact's behavior such as threat of force or Kurika thing or trying to get Renny/Pierce to shut up about "backtalk" when Rayleen designated them as Impact's advisors. The hands to his head if we wanted to go metaphorically.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. 'undermining', I always thought, means weakening a position. And the only time Impact told Pierce and Renny to shut up was when they were giving orders directly, instead of advising him. And even then he's been pretty lenient with Pierce doing what he does every second turn...


If he really truly believed that his malpulations to bring people to respect him is valuable, doesn't the fact that you plan that ability for him means that you don't actually truly believe that malipulation but sheer outright control is the way to go? Taking the easy way out because you/Impact may not actually believe malipulation can suceed over hard-earned friendship and trust in the long run? ^,^ (Of course, it's possible that Impact just becomes evilly impatient and fed up with the individual members of PATCA, believing they are the ones holding victory back with their particular traits).

Ok, that's... what? Seriously, what?
In response to the two paragraphs before that one, I don't think Impact is the ultimate in it, I'm just hoping that later he'll be in a position where he can very easily manipulate people. Not that he's really good at it, I never postulated that. And if I had, I'd be hard-pressed to prove it, since he really hasn't done much manipulation yet. Mind control won't be strong enough to establish absolute control either, it'll simply be something... supportive.

As for the actual question
What... Just... No? Yeah, I think I'm just going to have to go with 'No?' here. And also 'Why would you even think that? I mean, WHAT? Where is the logic here? It's... painful, physically painful! Just... don't do that again, ok? Next time you decide to speculate wildly in pursuit of a predetermined, idealistic conclusion and then inexpertly phrase this speculation in form of a cunning question, which, I can only assume, was cleverly designed to entrap me, just... consider. Will this question make Gem want to shoot me in the foot? If the answer is yes (and, if the question you come up with looks anything like the above, it will be), just refrain from posting it. Please? I don't want to go through that again. Though I think I will use the phrase 'evilly impatient' some time. Has a nice ring to it.'

[Dracorion]

Lemme just throw something out here: It's in Pierce's interest that Impact should remain leader. Not only is there the whole 'not under the command of a 16-year-old' thing, there's also the fact that under Impact, Pierece gets to give orders preeetty much every second turn. Do you have a similar deal with Menarker? I didn't think so

No, not really. I'm not doing that anymore.

Y'know, unless you've suddenly decided you're okay with it and won't hold it against me in any way.

Yeah, but in respecting the 'virtues we stand for', we decrease our chances of success. To make success most likely, we have to disregard everything other than success. And we do want to make success as likely as possible, right? Since the consequences of not succeeding would proooobably be pretty horrible.

Not necessarily.

I mean, you're telling me that the great genius Impact or awesome smart Geminex couldn't possible save the world and still uphold some virtue while doing it?

For shame man, for shame.

That aside, some could argue that "success while upholding your virtues" wouldn't really make success any less likely. I'm not saying everyone has to be a boyscout, but there are lines you don't cross.

Also, some would further argue that aiming for success no matter what increases the likelihood that you're going to end up just as evil as the guys you're fighting. And if that happens, then you haven't really succeeded even if you do kill all the other guys.

Wow, you're catching on!
No, seriously, I don't see how saving the world from being invaded by hordes of Ruin types is anything other than the 'greater good'.

Wow. The point? Right over your head.

You know, the Nietzche thought it would serve the greater good to kill off all the impure ones. Of course, you already said you're not going to go about "cleansing", but that's not the point I'm trying to make.

What I'm trying to say is that "serving the greater good" is a load of crap. You should always serve just "good". Period. Fucking. Dot. That includes always saving the lives of the world at large and everyone around you.

So you're saying that they wouldn't be utterly shattered and traumatized by having to make that choice, wracked with guilt? A great... recruitment opportunity?
In that case, nice. Pierce really is more callous than he seems. You're sure he wouldn't join Impact?

Wracked with guilt? Yes. Shattered and traumatized? No.

And that's only if it came down to that under Pierce's leadership.

Actually, I'm not. These are really just vauge allusions with no basis yet. I'll tell you about Impact's epiphany when I've arranged it, promise. Hell, maybe you can even help.

Well, hurry up and quit dropping cryptic hints until you've got something concrete for me.

You have to understand, they're in combat. Fighting for their lives. Impact really doesn't have any motivation to do anything but keep the team alive. Certainly he won't try to protect anyone's feelings from getting hurt because they're being unprofessional.

And outside of combat? He's still a giant dick.

Dude, this is sidequest- and sequel-related. There's so much plot-central stuff man, you wouldn't believe it. And I'm not gonna come clean with any of that. Though I promise, the deal will have no hidden catches. Come on, you've been negotiating with me for months now. Have I ever done anything like that?

Eh. Hurry up and quit dropping cryptic hints until you've got something concrete for me.

So, wait, are you the Sparkly Vampire or the Teenage Werewolf?
Either way, my fanbase would kick your fanbase's ass.
Though why would you want fangirls? They might be flattering to begin with, but eventually they're gonna ship you with another guy, and whelp, THERE GOES YOUR DIGNITY. In fact, considering that it was Bard who suggested this, I'm almost certain that it's part of his plan to get Yuri to permeate the very fabric of pokemon Umbral. And you think I'm evil?

Like that isn't happening already.

His advice really hasn't been that valuable, though.
Lemme put it this way: If Renny had been leader, and Impact his advisor, then Impact's "advice" would either have consisted of the entirety of the actual plan that they would use that turn, or the orders that Renny did give would just be way worse than the ones Impact would have given. And, once again, don't even question this. You're better at finding exploits, but I'm pretty sure that I'm beyond you in terms of large-scale tactics and strategy.

So if Renny or Pierce became leader, you wouldn't give Menarker or myself any help with the strategy, thereby screwing yourself over when Impact dies via lousy plans?

And like I said, fighting various types, that really isn't a problem. Switching pokemon is a free action, It's really easy to redeploy resources. Even if the opponent has been playing with fire pokemon so far and they suddenly deploy SIX BLASTOISE OH FUCK YOU WERE NOT EXPECTING THAT, where's the problem? Take a few water-type hits, lose a pokemon or two, then switch out until your entire team has either grass or electric moves, and wipe them out. The only possible detriment to you is that you'd lose any buffs on switched-out pokemon, but buffed pokemon don't have a very high rate of survival against Ruin types either, since they have one hell of a lot of attack power. I'm open to discussion which is harder, but I really don't think 'I had to fight different pokemon types' is a valid, or intelligent, argument.

I gotta agree with Geminex on this one, actually.

I was making a point that Renny had to face more diverse enemies, which was different from fighting straight-up Ruin types.

I was not arguing about which one is easier or harder.

Also, what's wrong with 'just barking orders' as long as they're good orders? And Renny would never be aknowleged as Impact's higher-up by him, unless it's really fucking vital to some plan.

The point that Menarker's making is, I think, that if Renny became leader and Impact were to be wholly unsupportive, Impact would come off as a two-faced whore because when he's leader how dare someone try to give an opinion despite the fact that Renny and Pierce are actually being supportive anyway.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. 'undermining', I always thought, means weakening a position. And the only time Impact told Pierce and Renny to shut up was when they were giving orders directly, instead of advising him. And even then he's been pretty lenient with Pierce doing what he does every second turn...

Hey, I admitted I was wrong and it's not going to happen anymore so stop talking about it like it's still going on.

I mean, read up on my last few RP posts. Do you see Pierce doing anything like that?

As for the actual question
What... Just... No? Yeah, I think I'm just going to have to go with 'No?' here. And also 'Why would you even think that? I mean, WHAT? Where is the logic here? It's... painful, physically painful! Just... don't do that again, ok? Next time you decide to speculate wildly in pursuit of a predetermined, idealistic conclusion and then inexpertly phrase this speculation in form of a cunning question, which, I can only assume, was cleverly designed to entrap me, just... consider. Will this question make Gem want to shoot me in the foot? If the answer is yes (and, if the question you come up with looks anything like the above, it will be), just refrain from posting it. Please? I don't want to go through that again. Though I think I will use the phrase 'evilly impatient' some time. Has a nice ring to it.'

Though it physically pains me to take Gem's side again...

I think Menarker's just trying to play the game, if you know what I mean.

[Menarker]

So, wait, are you the Sparkly Vampire or the Teenage Werewolf?
Either way, my fanbase would kick your fanbase's ass.
Though why would you want fangirls? They might be flattering to begin with, but eventually they're gonna ship you with another guy, and whelp, THERE GOES YOUR DIGNITY. In fact, considering that it was Bard who suggested this, I'm almost certain that it's part of his plan to get Yuri to permeate the very fabric of pokemon Umbral. And you think I'm evil?



Bard is trying to bring YAOI into it. Guy on Guy. Yuri is girl on girl. AB was the one who was trying to bring Yuri into it with Charlotte/Shannon.

Mind you, I prefer Yuri to Yaoi anyhow...


And like I said, fighting various types, that really isn't a problem. Switching pokemon is a free action, It's really easy to redeploy resources. Even if the opponent has been playing with fire pokemon so far and they suddenly deploy SIX BLASTOISE OH FUCK YOU WERE NOT EXPECTING THAT, where's the problem? Take a few water-type hits, lose a pokemon or two, then switch out until your entire team has either grass or electric moves, and wipe them out. The only possible detriment to you is that you'd lose any buffs on switched-out pokemon, but buffed pokemon don't have a very high rate of survival against Ruin types either, since they have one hell of a lot of attack power. I'm open to discussion which is harder, but I really don't think 'I had to fight different pokemon types' is a valid, or intelligent, argument.


See, I thought we were talking about leadership quality when we originally started this line of conversation, not which battles were easier, since you were saying that Renny's leadership experience do not match up with Impact at all.

With Ruin types battles so far, it's less about leadership and more about the quality of your troops. The orders are more or less "Find the strongest and most practical target and beat the shit out of it" because all the ruin types are the same elements, even though they might have different effects with their attacks (but pokemons are the same). No need to organize people based on anything except for whom can deal dragon/steel/psychic damage and who doesn't take quad/double damage. Those sort of foes don't exactly give a full measure of your leadership quality since almost the entire focus is based on how fast your troop's strength can outpace the pace of the ruin types' strength. Yes, there is some degree of tactics involved, but it's more of less watered down and thus the battle more boils over to the strength of the troops.

On the other hand, with diverse pokemon types, there is the entire organization of which foes have which elements weakness and controversily what sort of damage they can do. The sort of stuff that we spend TONS of time debating for the LAST RP post we did. Leadership and organization plays more of a role here because there is no uniform solidarity of elements like the ruin types so far. The leader need to decide which ally should attack which foe and which which move, although there may be multiple viable choices to choose from, some allies being more specific/restricted in which ones they are good at dealing with and so on and so forth. Plus, the priority of which foes go down first so as to minimize the element types of our allies being exploited. Leadership has much more of a prominent role when dealing with these types of foes.

Renny had demostrated more of this "leadership ability" if we take the above as true due to both missions he lead having that particular intense leadership bend.
Mind you, Impact is demostrating the same ability THIS mission because the diverse pokemon elements is what we're dealing with now. Plus, AB said that ruin types are going to be mixed with other elements in the future. Plus, I don't think there is any argument that the NPCs/PCs believe that Impact is highly competent in regards to tactics in general.
Not saying that Impact is poor leader at all. Far from that (even though I don't believe that ruthlessness is the be-all and end-all philosophy of tactics.) Just disproving your original point that Renny hasn't have a good degree of significant leadership experience.


Oh, come on. You don't think myself (and Impact) could come up with something more subtle than open sabotage?

Also, what's wrong with 'just barking orders' as long as they're good orders? And Renny would never be aknowleged as Impact's higher-up by him, unless it's really fucking vital to some plan.

What Drac said above about Impact looking twofaced if he doesn't outwardly support Renny is pretty much what I think is the situation too.
Impact might not obey Renny out of his own free will (at least with any sort of eagerness), but if Rayleen declares that Renny is leader for the mission, you can be sure that fighting against Renny's leadership without a very convincing reason during a mission is going to detract from Impact's ability to maintain influence or crediblity, whether it is Rayleen or the other team-mates thinking that Impact is too stubbornly looking at Renny's youthfulness to see whatever talents or potential he has, or unwillingness/inability to follow orders or chains of commands as issued from their boss or such like that. Of course, nothing stopping Impact from being disgruntled about the entire thing when everyone is not looking.


The point that Menarker's making is, I think, that if Renny became leader and Impact were to be wholly unsupportive, Impact would come off as a two-faced whore because when he's leader how dare someone try to give an opinion despite the fact that Renny and Pierce are actually being supportive anyway.

Though it physically pains me to take Gem's side again...

I think Menarker's just trying to play the game, if you know what I mean.

^.^ Drac is getting pretty good at translating what I say.

Anyhow, I'm going to post soon. Basically, I'll target Slot A and B with Togekiss and Shaymin's Air Slash while activating Serene Blessing.


EDIT:
His advice really hasn't been that valuable, though.
Lemme put it this way: If Renny had been leader, and Impact his advisor, then Impact's "advice" would either have consisted of the entirety of the actual plan that they would use that turn, or the orders that Renny did give would just be way worse than the ones Impact would have given. And, once again, don't even question this. You're better at finding exploits, but I'm pretty sure that I'm beyond you in terms of large-scale tactics and strategy.


Clearly, one of the better ways to decide that is to have some sort of Danger Room simulator event in the RP
1: A mission is given, listing some of the details and expections as per the debriefing.
2: Renny and Drac and Charlotte choose their pokemon movelists so as to suit the mission or so.
3: All the PCs are given the chance at "leadership" in the simulator, all are given the same resources/allies. The same pokemons movesets, the same stamina. Assume total obedience.
4: All posts are PMed to AB regarding the tactics of their own battle.
5: We find out how decently everyone fares. How fast things are completed, how many casualities or wounded, how many close calls or openings, and that sort of thing. :3

[Dracorion]

You're kidding, right?

You just know the Electric-type Ruin General is going to hack into the Danger Room for the sake of the old Holodeck cliche.

EDIT: If Menarker's hitting A and B, I say we focus fire on slots C, D and, hmm... let's go with E too. We can handle three, right?

[Menarker]

If only that general joined our side. Then we could have a holodeck with hordes of busty babes, probably including a few copies of Lola and Chizuru and what not. AB might be willing to play around with that. :3 We'd probably fail to save the world because we would never leave!

"Excuse me, Rayleen? Have you seen Renny? It's his birthday, and I wanted to suprise him."
"Really? Well, I'm sorry, Renny has been in the Holodeck since March."

Speaking of that, it's pretty much already been a year since the RP started (RP wise), so Renny should be about 17 if he is not already. I know that doesn't mean much to those who treat him as immature or childish because he was 16, but still...

ANYHOW... Back to tactics.

I got no problem with the above. C D and E, although we should focus on using Special attacks preferably due to the amplifier. If we use Moon and Shannon's tech, we can take care of F, G, H, I via flinching. Leaving only J unmolested. It's not a sure thing though since some of them might be flinch immune like some of the foes we fought already.

Which reminds me of something I wanted to talk about but forgot...


Sure, we'd have to take most of the enemy hits but, A) when's the last time we didn't somehow disable a bunch of opponents so as not to take all of their hits? If we keep going like this, AB's going to nerf flinching, and do you really want that? and B) we can take it. Though we should probably replace Charlotte's, Harliette's, Pierce's and Moon's pokemon for more defensive ones if possible.

AB was the one who made the moves in the first place, so I don't think it'll be a problem. Plus, a few of the foes probably have customized immunity to flinch, which probably means it is already nerfed to a degree. If anything, your ability having "Null Turn" which is basically a pumped up flinch that doesn't count as flinch is the one most as risk.

[Dracorion]

Hey, as opposed to flinch not everybody and their mothers can do Null Turn. It's just Pierce.

But hey, if you want to see angelic DEMONIC naked Charlotte, fine by me.

Or you can be gay about it and see angelic naked Aster.

[Menarker]

>_> It won't show a demonic Charlotte. However, Charlotte's reaction to such a depiction might be amusing.

Anyhow, who should we be protecting? Rachel? Impact? How many people paying and whom?

Should Rachel be giving out more Rage Rockets and to whom?

Only other factor that we pretty much agree on is Wilhelmina shooting the darkne... I mean fog, fog. ^^

Meanwhile, Lexhur is stuck at 200 rage when this turn starts. But he'll have 300 when the next turn comes.

Anyhow, gotta leave for work very soon, so I wont' be able to respond for a bit.

[Bard The 5th LW]

That is a lot to read, and I have only read the most recent 3 post with no context to place them in.

And AB, if I did retire Sol-leks for Revenard, could I swap Revenard or Arceus as the leader pokemon? And give the replacement leader a custom item in Sol-lek's absence?

[Dracorion]

Anyhow, who should we be protecting? Rachel? Impact? How many people paying and whom?

Harliette, Matthias and Impact.

Should Rachel be giving out more Rage Rockets and to whom?

Renny and Pierce or Renny and Impact. Take your pick.

Meanwhile, Lexhur is stuck at 200 rage when this turn starts. But he'll have 300 when the next turn comes.

I thought he'd have 300 Rage this turn.

[Geminex]

[QUOTE]No, not really. I'm not doing that anymore.

Y'know, unless you've suddenly decided you're okay with it and won't hold it against me in any way.
Pierce giving orders? Why wouldn't I? It's part of our deal!
Every second turn, more or less. Sure, there's times when I'm proud of a plan I came up with, and want Impact to give orders yourself, but up until your sidequest, you're entitled to give quite a few orders. Impact may not be very happy with it, but unless I just spent an hour working out when to have whom attack during which weather condition, (or something similar), you're free to give orders about as frequently as Impact.



Not necessarily.

I mean, you're telling me that the great genius Impact or awesome smart Geminex couldn't possible save the world and still uphold some virtue while doing it?

If it's possible to save the world and uphold virtue, Impact will do so. But if he thinks that there's a choice between virtue and world-saving, he will, without hesitation, go for world-saving.

You know, the Nietzche thought it would serve the greater good to kill off all the impure ones. Of course, you already said you're not going to go about "cleansing", but that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Well, yes. But Nietzshe's postulate was based on the bullshit justification that the human race would become more pure and therefor stronger. Whereas Imact's postulate of 'screw ethics, I'm saving the world!' would be based on the less-bullshit justification that the world would not be a very fun place if it was overrun by masses of Ruin Pokemon.

Look, sure, maybe it's possible to save the world and save puppies. But this is a pretty big task ahead of us. Maybe it isn't. Maybe saving puppies now will take precious time and resources, time and resources that we'd need later. Is that a risk we can take? I don't think it is.

That includes always saving the lives of the world at large and everyone around you.
What if you, quite simply, can't?


And outside of combat? He's still a giant dick.
Oh come on. Like when? Before mission 1 he was super-civilised. Mission 2 as well. Hell, after mission two he even started a trend! "Collect trophies from defeated Ruin Generals". He wasn't very courteous before Renny's sidequest, but can you fucking blame him? And hell, he was nice during the party, he let Pierce keep the dragon slave, what more do you want?

Seriously, when has he been a giant dick?




So if Renny or Pierce became leader, you wouldn't give Menarker or myself any help with the strategy, thereby screwing yourself over when Impact dies via lousy plans?
My philosophy is as follows: Any death is worth dying, as long as you can die it, saying 'I told you so'.
And hell, even if it did come that far, I'd wait until we had almost lost, until we were at the edge of the abyss, the brink of collapse, and then I'd burst out with the one, singular plan that could still save us and Impact would be this huge fucking hero, and then I'd be all like WHO'S THE LEADER NOW, BITCH?



The point that Menarker's making is, I think, that if Renny became leader and Impact were to be wholly unsupportive, Impact would come off as a two-faced whore because when he's leader how dare someone try to give an opinion despite the fact that Renny and Pierce are actually being supportive anyway.

Like I said. Wholly unsupportive? No. Subtle sabotage? Fuck yeah.
And allright, allright, you've been under-appreciated. Impact will generously praise everyone when the battle's done. He might even hand out a few hugs. Won't that be nice?


Hey, I admitted I was wrong and it's not going to happen anymore so stop talking about it like it's still going on.

Like I said, see above. It's your right to give orders. Unless the orders are really fucking good and I want to credit them to Impact, in which case you can go twice next time.

Just disproving your original point that Renny hasn't have a good degree of significant leadership experience.
My original point was actually that Impact makes less mistakes than Renny, but ok, let's just finish this.



What Drac said above about Impact looking twofaced if he doesn't outwardly support Renny is pretty much what I think is the situation too.
Impact might not obey Renny out of his own free will (at least with any sort of eagerness), but if Rayleen declares that Renny is leader for the mission, you can be sure that fighting against Renny's leadership without a very convincing reason during a mission is going to detract from Impact's ability to maintain influence or crediblity, whether it is Rayleen or the other team-mates thinking that Impact is too stubbornly looking at Renny's youthfulness to see whatever talents or potential he has, or unwillingness/inability to follow orders or chains of commands as issued from their boss or such like that. Of course, nothing stopping Impact from being disgruntled about the entire thing when everyone is not looking.

Dude. Like I said, subtlety. I'd get an opportunity or seven, I'm sure, to do anything from making Renny look immature, to making him look stupid to making him look like he just got hit in the forehead with a 120 mm artillery round.


Clearly, one of the better ways to decide that is to have some sort of Danger Room simulator event in the RP
1: A mission is given, listing some of the details and expections as per the debriefing.
2: Renny and Drac and Charlotte choose their pokemon movelists so as to suit the mission or so.
3: All the PCs are given the chance at "leadership" in the simulator, all are given the same resources/allies. The same pokemons movesets, the same stamina. Assume total obedience.
4: All posts are PMed to AB regarding the tactics of their own battle.
5: We find out how decently everyone fares. How fast things are completed, how many casualities or wounded, how many close calls or openings, and that sort of thing. :3
A contest? Sure, if AB's ok with it.
Question is...
what are the stakes?

The immediate idea would be leadership...
But, whelp, Impact's leader already. All I'd be gaining is that you'd shut up about it, and with all due respect to your nagging, that just isn't enough.
Because, if I lose (not that that's likely, but it's certainly possible), whelp, goodbye Impact, hello Team Leader Renny!
That's not a good deal, for me.

Let me... make a better one.
If I lose, Renny, Pierce and Impact are named tacticians, on equal footing. They each make suggestions to Rayleen (or some other NPC), who pieces together the plan. The suggestions that they'll make are the suggestions we'll individually make OOC, the final plan that Rayleen will come up with is the one that we'll have decided upon.

If I win... whelp, suggest me something. I've got two things in mind, but I'd like to see what you come up with while I consider how to be phrase my favorite.

Mind you, I'm of half a mind to say 'screw it' and just get together with Bard to help Charlotte win. God, that'd be hilarious.

[Astral Harmony]

Sure, Charlotte, I'll allow you switch Leadership titles and custom accessories on your Pokemon.

I do try to keep the yuri levels pretty low in this RP. After all, if the girls are just going to end up doing other girls, who're the guys gonna do?

*doesn't look to Charlotte for answers*

Let's see...Kiyomi and Rio might just be the only true girls who would do other girls. Some girls do have...ahem...curiousities (like Evangaleen, Muon, and perhaps Rayleen and Whitney) but the land is fairly devoid of homosexuals on both sides. I had an idea to make Angelo gay (the Psychic trainer of the Thirteen Eevee Threat) but just decided he'd be another bishonen of the same calibur as Aster. If I had the artistic talent to draw pictures, Angelo is a very beautiful male in the same vein as Aster. I daresay Angelo is like a male version of Takano.

[Dracorion]

If it's possible to save the world and uphold virtue, Impact will do so. But if he thinks that there's a choice between virtue and world-saving, he will, without hesitation, go for world-saving.

Doesn't seem like Impact thinks it's possible. Like, hasn't even considered it.

Well, yes. But Nietzshe's postulate was based on the bullshit justification that the human race would become more pure and therefor stronger. Whereas Imact's postulate of 'screw ethics, I'm saving the world!' would be based on the less-bullshit justification that the world would not be a very fun place if it was overrun by masses of Ruin Pokemon.

Look, sure, maybe it's possible to save the world and save puppies. But this is a pretty big task ahead of us. Maybe it isn't. Maybe saving puppies now will take precious time and resources, time and resources that we'd need later. Is that a risk we can take? I don't think it is.

If you mean that finding out if it's possible to save the world and save puppies is a risk? Hell yeah we should take it!

What if you, quite simply, can't?

Then you take a third option and sacrifice yourself. And hey, if some of the other guys want to follow and you can't possibly do it on your own (not that it's unlikely to do it on your own, I mean literally impossible), then more's the merry.

Oh come on. Like when? Before mission 1 he was super-civilised. Mission 2 as well. Hell, after mission two he even started a trend! "Collect trophies from defeated Ruin Generals". He wasn't very courteous before Renny's sidequest, but can you fucking blame him? And hell, he was nice during the party, he let Pierce keep the dragon slave, what more do you want?

Seriously, when has he been a giant dick?

I don't know where you're getting super-civilised from.

Maybe "giant dick" was a bit of an exaggeration. Try "plain unlikeable bordering on jerk".

Like I said. Wholly unsupportive? No. Subtle sabotage? Fuck yeah.
And allright, allright, you've been under-appreciated. Impact will generously praise everyone when the battle's done. He might even hand out a few hugs. Won't that be nice?

Yeah, that fixes everything!

No, seriously, I'm not going to believe that Impact can be nicer until it happens. Sorry dude.

My original point was actually that Impact makes less mistakes than Renny, but ok, let's just finish this.

Renny's made mistakes?

Dude. Like I said, subtlety. I'd get an opportunity or seven, I'm sure, to do anything from making Renny look immature, to making him look stupid to making him look like he just got hit in the forehead with a 120 mm artillery round.

See above.

If I lose, Renny, Pierce and Impact are named tacticians, on equal footing. They each make suggestions to Rayleen (or some other NPC), who pieces together the plan. The suggestions that they'll make are the suggestions we'll individually make OOC, the final plan that Rayleen will come up with is the one that we'll have decided upon.

It's like there wouldn't be three (five?) people competing.

Not much incentive for the rest of us to compete if we all just get the same price.

If I win... whelp, suggest me something. I've got two things in mind, but I'd like to see what you come up with while I consider how to be phrase my favorite.

Oh, I'm not quite brave enough to take a stab at this one.

Mind you, I'm of half a mind to say 'screw it' and just get together with Bard to help Charlotte win. God, that'd be hilarious.

CHARLOTTE FOR TEAM LEADER.

A VOTE FOR RENNY IS A VOTE FOR COMMUNISM.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Watch Charlotte be like the greatest leader.

Seriously, she has to lead for one mission, and watch it go incredibly smoothly.

I see Impact as a leader similar to Ender from Ender's Game. He wants to accomplish the mission. The goal is all on his mind. Any loss on the way was necessary, as long as you succeed.

Charlotte would take a William Tecumseh Sherman approach to being leader. Its not enough to just succeed for this battle or mission, you have to succeed permanently. You need to go over there, kick them in the teeth, break their legs, loot their homes, burn their homes, and kill their mothers. You need to leave the enemies so broken and terrified that fighting you again is the last thing they want. And then you rinse and repeat.

[Dracorion]

That does not equate incredibly smoothly. Frankly, if anything it would be incredibly messy.

You'd still get results, though.

CHARLOTTE GETS RESULTS.

A VOTE FOR IMPACT IS A VOTE FOR TERRORISM.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Oh I'm aware that isn't smoothly.

The first thing was just a joke, that I'd possibly follow through with to avert the obvious expectations.

The second part was what would really happen.

[Dracorion]

Welp, that's me sold.

MAKE WAR! NOT PEACE! VOTE CHARLOTTE!

PIERCE FUCKS POKEMON.

[Menarker]

Renny and Pierce or Renny and Impact. Take your pick.


I thought he'd have 300 Rage this turn.



Actually, I was thinking that Rachel should rage rockets Pierce and Impact in preparation for next turn. Seriously.
With this turn, we should hopefully have knocked out 2-3 targets (the ones we're focusing on). And we'll have the fog deactivated, we know who is who next turn, and we can attack with more surgurical precision next round, selecting the next bunch of foes to go down, while using Pierce's Null Tech tech to hold the fort. Impact getting rage would pay for another salvo of attackers, to help speed up the pace and dealing with any foes that might have troublesome abilities (Leafeon's Worry Seed ability and such). Renny getting rage to support people with Serene Blessing was good this turn, since we didn't know which foe was which and whom could be flinched or what not, so we opted to protect key people. In the upcoming turn, when we know who is who (and have narrowed the numbers down a bit), we can focus the offensive on those we don't null turn or have 100% flinch chance for.

EDIT: Oh, wait, I forgot about my idea to have Moon get the rage rocket so he and Shannon can use Moonlight Disco for heavy dark damage and 4 flinches. I'd suggest giving the second rage rocket to either Pierce or Impact.


As for Lexhur, he starts with 0 rage, but gets 100 at the start of each round. We only got through 1 round, so he'll have 200 when this one starts. However, when the NEXT round starts, he'll have 300 rage to burn through. ^^


It occurs to me that Charlotte getting Arceus is thematically appropriate, in a weird sense. She normally employ dog pokemons right? Flip the word around, and what you get? God. Arceus, the god of pokemon. Makes a bit of sense.


And Impact, I only got one more thing to say about the ruthlessness thing.
Your ruthlessness philosophy has a significant advantage in that it will seek out the surest victory in the CURRENT battle. Meaning that it will seek the most direct and expedient means to victory. However, this RP have already demostrated that there can be rewards that come out of not being ruthless (or rather, there can be punishments for being too ruthless.) The soldiers are NOT automatons and can be discouraged or even broken.
Impact might win twice or thrice with ruthlessness, but if the group takes too heavy a toll too many times (people sent to the hospital like Rayleen or Dormond was or suffer greivious attacks like Kurika did) then people might refuse to serve PATCA at any point that Impact is leading (especially if it looks like its a predictable pattern that you'll suffer badly for victory), or even quit out of being shell-shocked. Basically, ruthlessness might suffer long term if it isn't balanced out with trust or some other "virtuous degree."

"I quit! We might have never lost, but I never feel like a winner! At least with Renny/Rayleen/Pierce/*Some other good leader*, they'd manage to pull through somehow and we'd wouldn't end up like this! This isn't what I was trying to fight for!"

And this is before considering that the higher ups may not agree with the ruthlessness thing, and that they might think the results do not justify the costs on their own soldiers or what not. (Especially if soldiers start quitting/complaining/asking for another leader.) It's easier to be ruthless if you're on the top of the pyramid, but not when you're in the middle/lower base of things and have to answer to people above you as well as try to please people below you who have influence with the people above you.


EDIT: ANYHOW Plan!

Renny: Togekiss and Shaymin use Air Slash on target A and B. Defog effect. 60% and 70% chance of flinching respectively (Shaymin has flinch boosting item)
Renny activates Serene Blessing. He and his pokemons are Protected.
Aster: Pay for Impact's protection. 35 rage used up.
Harriette: Pay for her protection and Matthias's protection. 70 rage used up.
Rachel: gives Rage Rocket to Moon and to either Pierce or Impact. She herself still has 50 rage.
Moon: Moonlight Disco! He and Shannon in the back both pays 40 rage to inflict strong dark damage and 100% flinch chance on target F, G, H and I. Has one of his pokemons attack target E?
Wilhelmina: Attack the fog thus dispelling it. Maybe attempt to aim for one of the shadows in the process since Renny is dispelling the fog and only one dispel is needed to remove the accuracy penalty? (Target E preferably)
Pierce: Attack target C and D? If Pierce has a pokemon with Earthquake, he can probably put that pokemon beside Renny's Shaymin, thus making the backlash ineffective while also hitting E or hitting C or D again.
Charlotte: Attack target C and D?
Impact: Attack C?
Matthias: Attack D?
Harriette: Attack C, D and E (twice).
She herself attacks E and one of her pokemons attack C. Have her Nidoqueen be beside Renny's pokemon use Earthquake to target D and E. Both of Renny's pokemon fly so it should not effect us and it won't hurt Harriette herself since she is protected. That would hit 2 targets hopefully. Seriously, unless the pokemon levitate really close to the ground, it should hit, because we would probably see the shadow flying in the air if it was a flying type.

This sounds ok? 4 attackers for C and D and 4 for E due to Earthquake hitting two foes. If Pierce has one of his pokemons use Earthquake, add another hit for either C, D or E.

We need another discussion thread.

[Dracorion]

Right, well.

Let's see about this plan:

Rachel: Rage Rockets on Pierce and Impact.
Renny: Togekiss and Shaymin use Amplified Air Slash on target A and B. Defog effect. 60% and 70% chance of flinching respectively (Shaymin has flinch boosting item). Renny uses Serene Blessing. Renny pays 70 RPs to protect Togekiss and Shaymin. Harliette pays 35 RPs to protect herself, Shannon pays 35 RPs to protect Matthias, Cecilia pays 35 RPs to protect Impact.
Wilhelmina: Piercing Shot on the DARKNESS.
Moon: Lanturn to use Amplified STAB Discharge on C & D (backlash to hit Aria), Kingdra to use Amplified STAB Hydro Pump on D.
Charlotte: Buck to use Amplified STAB Fire Blast on D, Pike to use Amplified Discharge on C & D (backlash to hit Bastiodon).
Harliette: Nidoqueen to use Amplified STAB Earthquake on slots C & D (backlash to hit Shaymin), Kangaskhan to use Amplified Focus Blast on C. Harliette to use HV Shot on C.
Matthias: Amplified Psychic on C.
Pierce: Palkia to use Amplified STAB Spacial Rend on D, Aria to use Amplified STAB Thunder on C.
Impact: STAB HV Rifle on D.
Trainer Attacks: Pierce target C, Charlotte target D.

Moon can't use Moonbeam Disco because he doesn't have Rage.

Formation:

[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Buck] [Pike] [Bastiodon] [Kangaskhan] [Harliette] [Nidoqueen] [Shaymin] [Togekiss] [Palkia] [Aria] [Lanturn] [Kingdra] [Impact] [Power Amplifier]

I could have Pierce call out Tyranitar. Except Tyranitar has a metric fuckton of weakeness and we're supposed to be playing it defensively. Still Tyranistorm with all it's sweet sweet +50% Special Defense would help a bit, I guess.

[Menarker]

Harriette has 70 rage, so she could pay twice for protection, probably instead of Shannon, who we should probably save for when she uses Moonlight Disco with Moon.


Moon can't use Moonbeam Disco because he doesn't have Rage.


Shannon, the other half of his love-tech, is in our formation, even though she's not actively fighting. Thus he has the option of having Shannon pay 40 rage and he pays 40, if he gets the rage boost from Rachel.

I guess I should clarify with AB though.

AB: If someone like Moon has a love tech with an enforcer who is currently switched out, do they still have the option of dividing the rage between them when attempting to use the Love-Tech? Or does it not work unless both of them are actively fighting on the field?

[DanteFalcon]

Out of sheer curiosity would my Castform's Weather Shift special (Signature Attack) be able to clear the field of fog for a turn?

[Dracorion]

Sorry, I don't wanna spend Rage Rockets on Moon.

EDIT: Also, according to the BST, constructing stuff is supposed to cost Engineers 50 RPs. So Moon should have only 5 RPs now. Just sayin'.

Also, huh. Apparently constructing devices isn't supposed to cost an action? Well, the BST says it doesn't cost a turn, but that does seem to imply that it doesn't cost an action.

[Astral Harmony]

Moon and Shannon can divide Rage like that, sure.

I want to say no to the using Castform's Synchronicity Technique to clear away the Fog of War because Fog of War technically isn't weather.

[Dracorion]

Welp, my bad for not putting it in orange, I guess.

According to the BST, constructing stuff is supposed to cost Engineers 50 RPs. So Moon should have only 5 RPs now. Just sayin'.

Also, when the guide says this:

Engineers can spend 50/100 Rage Points to build various devices that differ between Engineers, which cost no items or turns. They can only have one construct deployed at a time.

Does it mean that building devices shouldn't cost an action?

[Astral Harmony]

Right, my bad. Maybe I should have those documents open when I do my posts.

Anyways, like I put out before, if I put it in that document, it must be true because I, the ever-retarded GM, was the one who put it there in the first place.

[Dracorion]

That would've been good to know like one turn ago.

Oh well.

[Astral Harmony]

My evil plan of making fake difficulty by putting up a bunch of data so they forget about certain things like an Engineer's construction ability being a free action...*deep breath*...is coming to fruition!

Huah ha ha ha ha ha haaaagh!

[Dracorion]

Gasp! You fiend!